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[01:19:40] <HAIKU-irker599> 8e5427364482: Changed settings window feel to show up when the main window is on top.
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[04:02:31] <_Dario> Hello. I'm trying to compile the Fake86 emulator, but get the following error: X11/Xlib.h: No such file or directory
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[04:07:08] <_Dario> I found an older version of that emulator in Haikuware, so I suppose that the requiried library exists in Haiku....?
[04:07:21] <jessicah> no, we don't have X
[04:07:34] <jessicah> perhaps you can configure it to use SDL?
[04:10:59] <_Dario> theorically, it uses SDL
[04:11:43] <jessicah> check the configure options to see if can disable X
[04:11:51] <jessicah> usually it's like --without-x or similar
[04:14:09] <_Dario> where could be that configure options?
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[11:12:09] <js> jessicah: uhm, we do have an x server, but it's quite old ;)
[11:13:25] <jessicah> meh, who cares :p
[11:13:43] <jessicah> Haiku is plenty fine without it :)
[11:14:29] <jessicah> how's life at Google? that's where you're working now, right?
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[11:19:25] <jessicah> saying we have an X server is like saying Windows has a POSIX subsystem ;)
[11:27:42] <js> jessicah: which it *has*
[11:27:48] <js> one that is more compliant than Linux, btw
[11:28:07] <js> jessicah: yeah, that's where I'm working now :)
[11:28:17] <js> still hope to be able to work on Haiku in my 20% :D
[11:30:22] <jessicah> I hope so too :)
[11:30:51] <jessicah> why does it take so long to get approval for it?
[11:31:18] <PulkoMandy> there are several options for running an X server on Haiku
[11:33:22] <js> jessicah: Well, because I didn't ask yet :D. I wanted to be familiar enough with the 80% stuff before I ask for 20% ;)
[11:33:41] <jessicah> :p
[11:34:24] <jessicah> js: what do you work on at Google?
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[11:34:48] <js> jessicah: I'm an SRE and work on monitoring
[11:35:21] <jessicah> oh okay
[11:36:59] <js> that sounds like your disappointed :D
[11:37:02] <js> *you're
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[13:07:43] <Hubert_> hey
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[13:26:16] <HAIKU-irker599> aa05612321c6: User interface: Use user colors in menu and list items.
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[15:00:53] <Dane__> Good morning
[15:01:40] <Dane__> Is there any benefit to doing a clean Haiku install, as opposed to doing pkgman update? For instance, should I expect Haiku's behavior under a new nightly build to be identical either way?
[15:02:40] <PulkoMandy> a complete clean install will be cleaner, as it removed any old setting files, etc
[15:02:47] <PulkoMandy> but generally pkgman update should be fine
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[15:50:01] <Dane__> PulkoMandy Thanks
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[17:19:54] <jessicah> js: hardly :) I imagine doing anything at google scale gets interesting fast :p
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[17:33:08] <Paradoxon> ok i try to compile the fulltext index_server addon but its saying that it cant find the cluclene.h but i installed the package and its in the right position (/boot/system/develop/headers/x86/CLucene.h)
[17:33:21] <Paradoxon> i tried it with setarch x86 but no luck
[17:33:24] <Paradoxon> any hint?
[17:33:51] <Paradoxon> i am building it with jam in the folder
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[17:35:44] <jessicah> Paradoxon: that won't work if your primary architecture is gcc2
[17:35:55] <jessicah> addons have to be compiled for primary arch only
[17:36:06] <jessicah> iirc
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[17:36:48] <Paradoxon> ok
[17:37:04] <Paradoxon> so it should work if i configure to build my haiku gcc4 only?
[17:37:22] <jessicah> it may work; I don't know for certain
[17:37:23] * Paradoxon dont want to setup a second gcc4 only haiku
[17:37:34] <Paradoxon> args
[17:37:39] <Paradoxon> ok i will try
[17:38:35] <Paradoxon> Next question :-D
[17:38:57] <Paradoxon> I get an Segment Violation when i try to close a windows
[17:39:08] <Paradoxon> its in BBufferdDataIO
[17:39:20] <Paradoxon> ::Flush
[17:40:03] <PulkoMandy> it's possible to build hybrid add-ons
[17:40:09] <Paradoxon> ohh..
[17:40:10] <Paradoxon> how
[17:40:13] <PulkoMandy> (we do it for translators and media plugins for example)
[17:40:19] <PulkoMandy> but the jamfiles must be adjusted
[17:40:39] <Paradoxon> oh was afraid that it will be something like that.
[17:40:55] * Paradoxon is working more on fixing buildsystems than on programming :/
[17:41:13] <Paradoxon> thanks
[17:41:14] <PulkoMandy> you can see the "MultiArchDirSetup" and the loop here
[17:41:39] <PulkoMandy> and MultiArchDefaultGristFiles
[17:41:57] <PulkoMandy> you can also see a BuildFeatureAttribute, which is how libraries are handled in Haiku
[17:42:06] <PulkoMandy> we would probably need one defined for clucene
[17:42:27] <Paradoxon> ok
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[17:44:31] <Paradoxon> wow ok thats a really good starting point
[17:44:42] <Paradoxon> but i am not shure.. if i can solve this .. fast :)
[17:44:47] <Paradoxon> :-D
[17:45:48] <Paradoxon> so jam will not look in the systemheaders buy it self?
[17:46:07] <PulkoMandy> no, we don't want it to do that
[17:46:17] <PulkoMandy> not when building haiku at least
[17:46:29] <PulkoMandy> first, because it wouldn't work when building on linux or bsd or elsewhere
[17:46:49] <Paradoxon> shure
[17:46:53] <PulkoMandy> and second, because it would mean the new version of haiku you are building, would still use the headers from the older version you are running
[17:47:01] <PulkoMandy> possibly conflicting
[17:47:08] <Paradoxon> that makes sens .. :)
[17:47:43] <Paradoxon> but can we use hpkgs in this BuildFeatures?
[17:47:47] <Paradoxon> like clucene_x86-2.3.3.4-1-x86_gcc2.hpkg
[17:48:16] <PulkoMandy> yes, this is what BuildFeature does, it makes jam aware of available packages
[17:48:34] <PulkoMandy> so you can use them as dependencies, and custom jam rules will be used to download and extract the package
[17:48:43] <PulkoMandy> (with specific tools, which can also work when building on linux)
[17:48:54] <PulkoMandy> and then add the compiler flags so the headers and libs are found
[17:49:11] <PulkoMandy> but this only works if the package is in the repositories
[17:49:26] <PulkoMandy> and clucene isn't yet, let's fix that first
[17:50:26] <Paradoxon> not shure if jessica added it to haikuporter yet
[17:50:32] * Paradoxon didnt checked
[17:50:39] <Paradoxon> :-D
[17:51:38] <PulkoMandy> I'm building the package now, so I cna upload it
[17:51:49] <Paradoxon> :-D
[17:51:55] <Paradoxon> great :)
[17:53:01] <Not-4e01> [haikuports] pulkomandy 8a8b2de - Add Klystron (development-only package)
[17:53:05] <Not-4e01> [haikuports] pulkomandy c2123bb - Dosbox: fix build and move to $binDir * Dosbox is not only a standalone application, it is also used to run DOS executables non-interactively * There are several front-ends for it which could be put in $appsDir * In either case, things are simpler if Dosbox is in the path, it would not be if installed in home/config/apps.
[17:53:09] <Not-4e01> [haikuports] pulkomandy eb0f562 - OpenWatcom: patches were upstreamed. * Still failing to build (bwlink is crashing)
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[17:57:21] <HAIKU-irker599> 839310264d02: Add packages for avr_gcc (and libc and binutils)
[17:58:19] <PulkoMandy> the clucene recipe does not work
[17:59:51] <jessicah> I have fixes for it
[18:00:13] <jessicah> I'll be out of bed in a couple hours
[18:00:21] <Paradoxon> :-D
[18:00:40] <Paradoxon> you can use this one
[18:01:12] <Paradoxon> but its stolen from jessicah and without the fixes ;-) but it compiles :-D
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[18:37:05] <jessicah> it's so early, but can't sleep :(
[18:37:30] <jessicah> Paradoxon: I'll do the recipe now :)
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[18:58:16] <Paradoxon> thanks jessicah :)
[18:58:33] <Paradoxon> hopefully you can sleep soon ;)
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[19:03:17] <jessicah`> ick, my mouse has become practically unusable with Ithamar's fixes :(
[19:03:43] <jessicah`> huh, weird, is fine now... maybe using keyboard fixed it
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[19:07:49] <Anarchos> hi jessicah`
[19:12:10] <jessicah`> hi Anarchos
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[19:16:27] <Paradoxon> Why isnt font derived from BArchivabel..
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[19:16:56] <Paradoxon> ?
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[19:20:48] <humdinger> waddlesplash: both build. makes it sense to upload them?
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[19:28:35] <jessicah`> hmm, now I can't reproduce my mouse problems
[19:28:36] <jessicah`> weird
[19:34:22] <PulkoMandy> Paradoxon: you can archive a BFont when archiving a BView for example
[19:34:27] <PulkoMandy> so it can be unarchived with the same font
[19:34:53] <PulkoMandy> humdinger: don't we still have problems with cdrecord?
[19:35:19] <humdinger> I can't tell. Can't test...
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[19:49:40] <Not-4e01> [haikuports] zooey 8d395e5 - Update beam recipe from 1.2alpha to 1.2. * Apart from adjusting to Beam's new home (which is on github), version 1.2 fixes a couple of problems of the alpha version.
[19:49:44] <Not-4e01> [haikuports] zooey 94726b1 - Merge branch 'master' of bitbucket.org:haikuports/haikuports
[19:52:23] <HAIKU-irker599> b63d718b1c30: Update beam package(s) from 1.2alpha to 1.2.
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[20:00:24] <jessicah> yes
[20:00:54] <jessicah> my mouse on one of my systems behaved weirdly after the update
[20:01:06] <luroh> oh
[20:01:12] <jessicah> but doing another reboot, seems okay
[20:01:29] <jessicah> I haven't tested my other system yet
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[20:15:07] <stargater> hi
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[21:13:27] <Paradoxon> PulkoMandy sorry was away
[21:13:41] <Paradoxon> yes i noticed this during debug...
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[21:14:12] <Paradoxon> but thats so crazy... i mean then you could have written a "own" archive for BFont ..
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[21:14:24] <Paradoxon> eg. i used it for my nodes.. of projectconceptor..
[21:14:41] <Paradoxon> i had to rewrite it.. also its already there ;-)
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[21:31:30] <PulkoMandy> I'm not sure what you mean, you can archive a font as a BArchivable as usual
[21:31:56] <PulkoMandy> and it is safer than writing your own code as if we change the fields in BFont, we will know how to save and restore them and adjust the archiving code
[21:45:18] <waddlesplash> jessicah: um, ithamar fixed them last night
[21:45:26] <waddlesplash> oh nvm
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[21:54:40] <jjkola> hi
[21:56:47] <PulkoMandy> hi
[22:09:04] <waddlesplash> hi!
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[22:16:01] <xybr2> Yet I've tried wiping out the .skipped files, then rm -r'd the repo to start from scratch, but every time I try to install something (ruby 2 specifically) it exits with an error as its unable to find the DependencyInfo file.
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[22:17:42] <PulkoMandy> Ruby 2 is known to be broken
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[22:18:11] <PulkoMandy> but it should at least build. Did you configure your haikuports.conf? You need to configure the secondary architecture and "allow untested"
[22:19:28] <xybr2> I set primary arch to x86 and secondary to x86_gcc2
[22:20:24] <PulkoMandy> ok, does that match your installed system?
[22:20:44] <xybr2> When I run haikuporter ruby-2.1.5 it says it "is untested on this arch", but it proceeds fine until it hits the dep check.
[22:21:19] <xybr2> I believe so. I am using a nightly though.
[22:22:20] <PulkoMandy> if "getarch" in terminal says "x86", you're ok
[22:22:36] <PulkoMandy> if it says "x86_gcc2", you need to use that as the primary arch and set x86 as the secondary
[22:23:31] <xybr2> Gotcha
[22:24:06] <PulkoMandy> in the latter case you need to do haikuporter ruby_x86-2.1.5 so it is built for the secondary arch (the x86 one with gcc4)
[22:24:30] <PulkoMandy> this configuration is working fine here. I don't have an install with gcc4 as the main compiler to test at hand
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[23:26:16] <HaikuUser> Hey all
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[23:33:07] * waddlesplash has closed about 20 tickets at HaikuPorts over the past few hours
[23:33:29] <waddlesplash> sorry for flooding subscribers' in boxes!
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[23:37:14] <Dane__> Is anyone else noticing that sometimes the pathlooper going crazy once in awhile?
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