August 30, 2012 
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August 30, 2012 [00:01:10] *** amigamia has quit IRC[00:01:20] *** amigamia has joined #haiku[00:10:12] <Skipp_OSX> sweet, HDA fixes[00:12:08] <Tsyesika> :P[00:19:10] *** happy4crazy has quit IRC[00:21:51] *** Hubert_ has quit IRC[00:25:21] *** happy4crazy has joined #haiku[00:32:35] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[00:37:32] *** PasNox has quit IRC[00:42:28] *** Xeon3D is now known as Xeon3D|Zzz[00:43:16] *** Xeon3D|Zzz is now known as Xeon3D[00:45:15] <jessicah> morning :)[00:45:31] <jessicah> i've never had issues with HDA[00:48:01] <Skipp_OSX> jessicah, well, Dane, the tunetracker systems guy uses Intel HDA[00:48:40] *** Blub\w has quit IRC[00:53:45] <Anarchos> jessicah hi[00:54:32] *** jayrulez has joined #haiku[01:01:31] <jessicah> Skipp_OSX: ah, well, yeah, for tunetracker, you'd prolly also do more with HDA as well[01:01:35] <jessicah> hihi Anarchos[01:02:56] *** Negr0_VoP2P has quit IRC[01:04:21] *** slubman_ has quit IRC[01:05:06] *** slubman has joined #haiku[01:05:46] *** oco2 has quit IRC[01:09:46] *** czeidler has joined #haiku[01:11:13] *** amigamia has quit IRC[01:11:36] *** czeidler has left #haiku[01:12:43] *** Xeon3D is now known as Xeon3D|Zzz[01:13:19] *** Xeon3D|Zzz is now known as Xeon3D[01:13:45] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[01:13:54] *** Skipp_OSX has quit IRC[01:14:02] *** oco2 has joined #haiku[01:15:38] *** mmadia has quit IRC[01:17:37] *** czeidler has joined #haiku[01:31:08] *** oco2 has quit IRC[01:33:50] *** happy4crazy has quit IRC[01:37:48] *** stpere has quit IRC[01:38:29] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[01:38:29] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[01:39:01] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #haiku[01:41:52] *** czeidler has left #haiku[01:49:31] *** amigamia has joined #haiku[01:55:26] *** amigamia has quit IRC[01:56:19] *** amigamia has joined #haiku[02:01:04] *** amigamia has quit IRC[02:07:03] *** amigamia has joined #haiku[02:11:37] *** LeandroLuiz has joined #haiku[02:12:06] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[02:14:38] *** amigamia has quit IRC[02:21:28] *** alexandros_c has quit IRC[02:22:21] *** amigamia has joined #haiku[02:23:52] *** Skipp_OSX has joined #haiku[02:27:55] *** negusnyul has quit IRC[02:28:53] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[02:28:55] *** jayrulez has quit IRC[02:29:06] *** jayrulez has joined #haiku[02:30:45] *** jmelesky has quit IRC[02:35:02] *** jayrulez has quit IRC[02:38:31] *** cherrypie has quit IRC[02:41:03] *** pseudomind has joined #haiku[02:41:23] *** happy4crazy has joined #haiku[02:44:14] *** cherrypie has joined #haiku[02:47:43] *** Xeon3D is now known as Xeon3D|Zzz[02:48:37] *** Xeon3D|Zzz is now known as Xeon3D[02:51:35] *** amigamia has quit IRC[02:52:52] *** amigamia has joined #haiku[03:02:17] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC[03:15:28] <Tsyesika> Guys I'm translating to pootle... how can i test that on my system?[03:17:51] <jessicah> ooh, you can finally start the na'vi translation? :)[03:17:59] *** Xeon3D is now known as Xeon3D|Zzz[03:18:38] *** Xeon3D|Zzz is now known as Xeon3D[03:19:55] <Disreali> wait... Tsyesika is jessica_lily ??[03:20:08] * Disreali is so confused[03:20:10] <Tsyesika> yeh[03:20:28] <Tsyesika> tsyesika (or more correctly tsyesìka) is my name in na'vi[03:20:32] <jessicah> and also Lily[03:20:36] <Tsyesika> Tsyesìka Lili[03:20:37] <Tsyesika> :)[03:21:05] <jessicah> and some other three letter nick starting with c[03:21:08] <Tsyesika> Cpy[03:21:11] <jessicah> cpq or smth[03:21:13] <jessicah> that it[03:21:17] <Tsyesika> jessicah .c + .py[03:21:18] <Tsyesika> :P[03:21:25] <Tsyesika> Cpy[03:22:24] * Disreali shakes his head and leaves to embark on the GREAT BEER HUNT[03:23:18] <Tsyesika> :P[03:23:26] <Tsyesika> but yes i have started na'vi translations[03:24:10] <jessicah> lol[03:28:36] * Disreali returns from the GREAT BEER HUNT dejected[03:29:33] <Disreali> only found a 1/4 bottle of mulled wine.[03:32:15] <Tsyesika> awhh[03:34:18] <Slor> sucks coming back from a beer hunt without any pelts...[03:35:36] *** Disreali has quit IRC[03:38:55] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[03:39:55] <Disreali> sorry. system system froze then re-booted on its own[03:40:11] <Slor> d'oh[03:41:18] *** hamishm has quit IRC[03:48:13] *** Xeon3D is now known as Xeon3D|Zzz[03:48:40] *** Xeon3D|Zzz is now known as Xeon3D[03:59:19] *** Tsyesika has quit IRC[03:59:39] *** Tsyesika has joined #haiku[04:15:19] *** happy4crazy has quit IRC[04:17:27] *** nsuperbus has joined #haiku[04:18:53] <Tsyesika> what why did sourceforge change my language to afganistan[04:18:56] <Tsyesika> well[04:18:58] <Tsyesika> that language[04:22:52] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[04:34:31] *** Skipp_OSX has quit IRC[04:35:32] <Tsyesika> In Vision do you think the founder (~nick) and protected (&nick) should have the same (red) colour as ops or a different one (if so what)?[04:39:45] *** LeandroLuiz has quit IRC[04:48:26] *** qptain_Nemo has quit IRC[04:57:40] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[04:57:46] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[05:02:29] *** Xeon3D is now known as Xeon3D|Zzz[05:03:14] *** Xeon3D|Zzz is now known as Xeon3D[05:18:20] *** nsuperbu1 has joined #haiku[05:19:17] <Disreali> Tsyesika: I've not seen other clients have different colours, but that sound cool. you may want to check what mIRC handles it[05:21:24] *** nsuperbus has quit IRC[05:21:46] <Tsyesika> currently the version i've compiled doesn't[05:21:53] <Tsyesika> have any[05:21:58] <Tsyesika> but i'm thinking of adding them[05:22:36] *** pseudomind has quit IRC[05:25:53] *** happy4crazy has joined #haiku[05:30:08] *** happy4crazy has quit IRC[05:35:04] *** Xeon3D is now known as Xeon3D|Zzz[06:10:38] *** Azarak has joined #haiku[06:18:16] <Disreali> Tsyesika: those would be nice additions[06:18:23] <Tsyesika> yh[06:18:41] <Tsyesika> Disreali well the version i'm distributing now has the patch to make ~ and & be ordered correctly[06:21:46] <Disreali> iirc, Rene Gollent <AnEvilYak> is the only member of the vision team still active. He is also a core Haiku dev.[06:22:42] <Disreali> I know he would appreciate any help you could offer to improve Vision[06:24:48] <jstressman> Tsyesika: and thank you. ^_^[06:25:06] <Tsyesika> :)[06:25:08] <Tsyesika> no worries[06:25:15] <Tsyesika> I linked the patch on the tracker[06:25:43] <CIA-58> haiku.r1alpha4: nielx * hrevr1alpha4-44577 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=49bfce6 : Update translations from Pootle[06:26:46] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[07:10:06] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[07:31:33] *** duvjones has joined #haiku[07:35:59] *** _marc` has joined #haiku[07:53:42] *** Disreali has quit IRC[08:02:01] *** Beretta021 has joined #haiku[08:09:42] *** rimio has joined #haiku[08:13:13] *** duvjones has quit IRC[08:22:28] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[08:23:51] *** bjz has joined #haiku[08:25:43] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[08:25:43] *** JsobCloud_ is now known as JsobCloud[08:28:38] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[08:29:01] <HaikuUser> hey guys[08:29:29] <HaikuUser> what a trip got Haiku alpha3 running as guest in VirtualBox under Slack on a laptop hehe[08:29:39] *** duvjones has joined #haiku[08:30:30] <HaikuUser> what is this little window with the blue leaf in the upper right of the screen called, is there a way for me to move it somewhere else?[08:33:19] <HaikuUser> brb in my slack box :)[08:33:24] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[08:33:34] *** Xgates has joined #haiku[08:33:54] <Xgates> hey guys that was me that just left haikuuser, anyone breathing around here?[08:34:16] <Xgates> the little window in the upper right, can I move that?[08:36:10] <Xgates> hmm I guess this is called the deskbar, darn would be nice to put this on the screen some place else...[08:36:17] * Xgates looks some more[08:37:15] <arfonzo> Xgates: yes, you can[08:37:28] <arfonzo> you will see an area like a system tray[08:37:52] <arfonzo> (it's got markings like ":" on the edge of it)[08:38:01] <Xgates> hey arfonzo[08:38:15] <arfonzo> if you grab that area, and drag to the top/bottom of screen, etc, it should move and change shape and do other wonderous things.[08:38:32] <Xgates> yeah I was wondering something like that been looking, let me double check, maybe cause I'm in VirtualBox getting cut off on the side of the screen[08:38:37] * Xgates goes back and checks again[08:38:44] <arfonzo> ok[08:38:44] <Xgates> cool[08:39:32] <arfonzo> if you are having screen res issues, "vboxmanage setextradata "Haiku VM" customvideomode1 "800x1234x32" for example, works wel for me to get any custom resolution I need in Haiku in a vbox vm.[08:39:48] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[08:40:05] <arfonzo> (i might have got that syntax wrong, it was from memory, but it'll be those options you need)[08:40:14] <Xgates> well I don't see anything[08:40:27] <Xgates> the only dots I see are on the right of the clock[08:41:05] <arfonzo> yep, that's it.[08:41:35] <Xgates> hmm not moving[08:41:43] <Xgates> let me try to grab that dang thing again hehe[08:41:49] <arfonzo> it's a bit fiddely, it definitely moves.[08:42:14] <Xgates> 1600x1200 does nice for me giving me full screen which is what I'd like and then the deskbar disappers off screen[08:42:22] <Xgates> ok back to fiddling...[08:42:25] *** _marc` has quit IRC[08:43:18] <arfonzo> yeah, in general you want to set customvideomode# at your desired resolution minus the pixels of the virtualbox window frame. That gives you "exactly" maximised size.[08:43:20] <Xgates> LOL, well now I got it like a taskbar across the top of the screen when I tried to drag it, looks like OSX in here now hehe[08:43:57] <Xgates> ok, I'm on a laptop, 1366x768 so what would I set?[08:45:30] <arfonzo> depends on many things, windows theme, dpi, and other appearance settings.[08:45:44] <arfonzo> I just had to experiment until it fit perfectly, here.[08:46:14] *** Blub\w has joined #haiku[08:46:16] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[08:46:16] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[08:46:39] <Xgates> ok but where did you edit, makes these changes?[08:46:53] *** MatthewH12 has quit IRC[08:47:35] <Xgates> oh you ran from the cli vboxmanage ok[08:47:42] <Xgates> never done that before[08:48:25] <arfonzo> refer here: http://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch09.html[08:48:25] <Xgates> so does any of these have to be in quotes? " "[08:48:37] <arfonzo> custom vesa resolutions section.[08:48:48] <Xgates> vboxmanage setextradata Haiku VM customvideomode1 1366x700x32[08:48:53] <Xgates> does that work?[08:49:02] <arfonzo> they may require quotes. Especially VM name and the resolutions.[08:49:14] <Xgates> ok[08:49:28] <arfonzo> please check the reference URL. It explains all.[08:49:33] <Xgates> ok thanks[08:49:39] <arfonzo> no probs[08:50:05] <Xgates> VBoxManage setextradata "VM name" "CustomVideoMode1" "1400x1050x16"[08:50:06] <Xgates> :)[08:50:08] *** Beretta021 has quit IRC[08:50:15] * Xgates goes to blow up his box now LOL[08:53:58] <Xgates> arfonzo: I don't see how this works because the resolution settings in Haiku...[08:53:59] <Xgates> hmm[08:56:23] <arfonzo> the custom video resolution should show in the screen perflet now.[08:57:38] <Xgates> well this is what I ran;[08:57:40] <Xgates> vboxmanage setextradata "Haiku" "CustomVideoMode1" "1366x768x32"[08:57:51] <Xgates> so I was assuming I'd seem some sort of change but I didn't[08:58:55] <Xgates> wait you mentioned something about the customvideomode# but I don't really understand that...[08:58:56] <Xgates> hmm[08:59:06] <Xgates> in general you want to set customvideomode# at your desired resolution minus the pixels of the virtualbox window frame.[09:00:35] <Xgates> "CustomVideoMode1" "1400x1050x16" did something[09:00:45] * Xgates plays with this size[09:06:39] <Xgates> nope it's actually doing nothing arfonzo do I need to run this command as root or a user is fine?[09:07:24] <arfonzo> shut down your VM. run the command. Start the VM. Change the resolution inside the VM.[09:07:44] <arfonzo> as long as the user running has permissions at the filesysteml level for the virtualbox VM files, it's fine.[09:07:50] <Xgates> ok[09:11:08] <Xgates> ahhh HA finally[09:11:09] <Xgates> LOL[09:11:14] <Xgates> THANKS arfonzo[09:11:22] *** johnny_b has joined #haiku[09:11:47] <Xgates> arfonzo: by chance you have any idea what's a good res to set for a laptop running 1366x768?[09:19:41] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[09:20:00] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[09:20:34] <OmniMancer> hmm?[09:21:32] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[09:22:25] <Xgates> hmm this won't work in Haiku;[09:22:27] <Xgates> vboxmanage setextradata "Haiku" "CustomVideoMode1" "1366x768x32"[09:22:36] <Xgates> 1366x768 won't show up...[09:29:48] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[09:32:30] <arfonzo> Xgates: did you run that while the VM was on?[09:33:28] <Xgates> no[09:33:29] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[09:33:29] *** JsobCloud_ is now known as JsobCloud[09:33:49] <Xgates> I guess vb for some reason isn't supporting that resolution[09:33:50] <Xgates> hmm[09:34:52] <arfonzo> that supports any non-standard resolution. I am not sure if it's bounded by the physical capabilities of the card or monitor. You will have to contact virtualbox support directly, it's always worked for me at any resolution that fits my card and screen here...[09:35:39] <Xgates> hmm[09:35:56] <arfonzo> Make sure your changes are being written to the virtualbox VM's config file. If vbox is on, or the manager is running, that may not update the XML config correctly.[09:36:24] <arfonzo> If that vbox VM is on, or the virtualbox manager is running, more precisely.[09:37:46] *** _marc` has joined #haiku[09:38:43] <Xgates> what config/where are we talking about?[09:39:25] *** dcase has joined #haiku[09:39:57] <Xgates> all I see is the .vbox-prev file with settings in it[09:43:05] <Xgates> ok it's in there;[09:43:07] <Xgates> <ExtraDataItem name="CustomVideoMode1" value="1366x768x16"/>[09:43:19] <Xgates> but it doesn't show in Haiku[09:43:31] <Xgates> errrr[09:44:30] *** Negr0_VoP2P_LMin has joined #haiku[09:48:59] <Xgates> I tried a odd resolution and then VB complained and wouldn't even start, so I figure if it's not going to do that, then they should show up...[09:54:23] <arfonzo> should you not be using x32?[09:56:06] <Xgates> I am and I've tried like 12 different rez and only 1400x1050 will show up[09:56:36] <Xgates> I guess it's whatver my laptop will support, but it's a new Sony Vaio 15"[09:56:44] <Xgates> 410M Nvidia chip[09:58:54] <arfonzo> try another slot like CustomVideoMode2[09:59:29] <arfonzo> Again, it is somewhat fiddeley in my experience, but it's always worked here... that's odd.[09:59:50] <Xgates> ok[10:04:39] <Xgates> arfonzo: do you know about resetting it so I clean out all these settings and start it fresh over?[10:05:20] <arfonzo> shut down VM and Manager and delete the customvideomode tags from the config. OR pass nothing as a resolution for each mode you set via cmd line.[10:06:31] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[10:06:33] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[10:06:33] *** JsobCloud_ is now known as JsobCloud[10:07:35] <Xgates> hmm I delete them and they reappear[10:07:36] <Xgates> errrr[10:07:56] <Xgates> I delete them and I can see the sizes in Haiku screen[10:08:01] <Xgates> odd[10:09:03] <Xgates> ok wait two files I see have the settings[10:09:05] <Xgates> errr[10:12:33] <Xgates> ahhhhh it don't like me LOL[10:12:36] * Xgates bangs head[10:13:20] <Xgates> I guess need to keep trying different slots?[10:13:42] <Xgates> vboxmanage setextradata "Haiku" "CustomVideoMode3" "1366x768x32"[10:13:45] * Xgates trys[10:13:52] <arfonzo> 1. make sure you are editing the right file. 2. It will overwrite settings if that VM or VBox Manager is running when you modify it.[10:14:19] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[10:14:25] <Xgates> the settings are stored in; Haiku.vbox & Haiku.vbox-prev[10:14:39] <Xgates> it's off[10:15:52] <Xgates> Haiku.vbox;[10:15:53] <Xgates> <ExtraDataItem name="CustomVideoMode3" value="1366x768x32"/>[10:16:12] <Xgates> Haiku.vboxprev;[10:16:16] <Xgates> <ExtraDataItem name="CustomVideoMode3" value="1366x768x32"/>[10:16:25] <Xgates> nope that isn't working too damm this sucks![10:16:40] *** JsobCloud_ has quit IRC[10:16:43] <Xgates> time to join #virtualbox[10:16:59] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[10:17:49] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[10:17:49] *** JsobCloud_ is now known as JsobCloud[10:21:32] <Xgates> I wonder if this might work;[10:21:34] <Xgates> VBoxManage controlvm Windows setvideomodehint 1152 680 32[10:21:52] <Xgates> that's the cmd on older versions[10:26:57] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[10:27:15] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[10:32:24] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[10:32:43] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[10:34:46] <Xgates> oh well I'm out for now THANKS again arfonzo I will certainly let you know if I get this working[10:34:47] <Xgates> cheers[10:34:49] *** Xgates has quit IRC[10:35:41] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.[10:37:51] *** luko has joined #haiku[10:38:13] *** bjz has quit IRC[10:41:04] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[10:41:23] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[10:45:44] *** rimio has quit IRC[10:48:07] *** rimio has joined #haiku[10:48:43] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[10:49:02] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[10:49:22] *** J-Ho has joined #haiku[10:51:21] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[10:51:39] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[10:51:42] *** TimKack has joined #haiku[10:57:46] *** leku has left #haiku[11:03:53] *** luko has quit IRC[11:05:59] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[11:06:18] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[11:08:45] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[11:08:57] *** letharion_ has joined #haiku[11:09:50] *** nopper has 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#haiku[12:16:24] *** TimKack has joined #haiku[12:19:56] *** Tekn0 has joined #haiku[12:21:39] *** Negr0_VoP2P_LMin has quit IRC[12:31:27] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[12:31:46] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[12:32:54] <jessicah> good morning jstressman & brobostigon[12:33:11] <brobostigon> good morning jessicah[12:35:01] *** dcase has quit IRC[12:38:50] <jstressman> good morning jessicah :)[12:39:03] <jstressman> well, what time is it there?[12:39:16] <jstressman> afternoon of tomorrow or something?[12:40:12] <jessicah> 10:40pm[12:40:18] <jessicah> thursday[12:43:48] *** _marc` has quit IRC[12:44:44] *** Megaf has joined #haiku[12:47:06] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[12:47:25] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[12:52:14] *** _marc` has joined #haiku[12:55:40] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[12:55:58] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[12:56:26] <Anarchos> jessicah hi ![12:56:38] <Anarchos> jessicah i made some progress in porting the ocaml runtime to mmix :)[12:57:23] *** oxoocoffee has quit IRC[12:58:22] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[12:58:43] <jessicah> Anarchos: that's cool :)[12:59:04] <jessicah> does the compiler target mmix?[12:59:16] <jessicah> or you just doing the bytecode interpreter?[12:59:34] <Anarchos> jessicah oh i am just able to print the first debug message :)[12:59:45] <Anarchos> i am just doing the bytecode interpreter for now[12:59:46] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[13:00:06] <Anarchos> jessicah when i will feel comfident enough, i will adress the emit part of the native compiler[13:00:24] <jessicah> :)[13:10:40] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[13:11:10] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[13:15:55] *** oxoocoffee has joined #haiku[13:16:05] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[13:16:24] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[13:24:36] *** luko has joined #haiku[13:33:06] *** XenoDuck has quit IRC[13:33:53] *** XenoDuck has joined #haiku[13:36:33] *** Spacewalker has joined #haiku[13:36:33] *** Spacewalker has joined #haiku[13:39:24] *** oxoocoffee has quit IRC[13:39:41] *** kcj 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bugs pop up else where[14:45:43] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[14:45:43] *** JsobCloud_ is now known as JsobCloud[14:45:58] <Luko> hi[14:46:03] <Tsyesika> hey Luko[14:48:26] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[14:48:45] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[14:53:22] *** Alam_Squeeze has quit IRC[14:56:05] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[14:56:24] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[14:58:07] *** itman has joined #haiku[14:59:45] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[15:00:04] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[15:03:54] *** mijaran has joined #haiku[15:05:14] *** mijaran has quit IRC[15:08:50] *** dak has joined #haiku[15:09:13] *** Alam_Squeeze has joined #haiku[15:15:16] *** oxoocoffee has joined #haiku[15:19:27] *** oxoocoffee has quit IRC[15:19:57] *** robert_negro has joined #haiku[15:23:25] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[15:23:44] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[15:24:16] *** robert_negro has quit IRC[15:29:08] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[15:30:32] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[15:32:54] *** JsobCloud has quit 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For some reason it didn't happen on my macbook but on my thinkpad it freezes up for a split second all the time. Only on external mouse for some reason, the built-in nub is fine.[15:36:44] <munchausen> Will look for a matching report in trac...[15:38:32] *** Spacewalker has quit IRC[15:42:53] *** Spacewalker has joined #haiku[15:42:53] *** Spacewalker has joined #haiku[15:46:04] *** Beretta021 has joined #haiku[15:50:41] *** happy4crazy has joined #haiku[15:56:12] *** pseudomind has joined #haiku[15:57:44] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[15:58:14] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[15:58:33] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[16:00:53] *** jayrulez has joined #haiku[16:01:28] *** Azarak has quit IRC[16:02:52] *** radeschi has joined #haiku[16:13:20] *** pseudomind has quit IRC[16:15:52] *** oxoocoffee has joined #haiku[16:16:54] *** LjL has quit IRC[16:17:24] *** duvjones has quit IRC[16:20:41] *** oxoocoffee has quit IRC[16:25:38] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[16:25:56] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[16:28:11] *** LjL has joined #haiku[16:31:00] *** Spacewalker has quit IRC[16:32:08] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[16:34:52] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[16:35:11] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[16:35:50] *** bjz has joined #haiku[16:40:18] *** Spacewalker has joined #haiku[16:40:19] *** Spacewalker has joined #haiku[16:49:30] *** luroh has joined #haiku[16:53:53] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[17:02:17] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[17:02:35] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[17:02:36] *** robert_negro has joined #haiku[17:11:01] *** letharion has quit IRC[17:16:28] *** oxoocoffee has joined #haiku[17:17:00] *** letharion has joined #haiku[17:21:06] *** oxoocoffee has quit IRC[17:36:45] *** dak has quit IRC[17:36:47] *** itman has quit IRC[17:36:48] *** swarfega has quit IRC[17:36:54] *** GeekShadow has quit IRC[17:36:59] *** Cld has quit IRC[17:37:00] *** cnuke has quit IRC[17:37:00] *** eml has quit IRC[17:40:33] *** dak has joined #haiku[17:40:33] *** itman has joined #haiku[17:40:33] *** swarfega has joined #haiku[17:40:33] *** GeekShadow has joined #haiku[17:40:33] *** Cld has joined #haiku[17:40:33] *** cnuke has joined #haiku[17:40:34] *** eml has joined #haiku[17:49:30] <CIA-58> xyzzy-github.x86_64: xyzzy-github * ceb29f6dac081684d42df562da43bd586c632e98 : Add ProcessController, NetworkStatus and StyledEdit to image. [3 commits][17:56:40] *** Tekn0 has left #haiku[17:58:51] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[17:59:22] <HaikuUser> test[17:59:23] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[18:00:03] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[18:02:41] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[18:02:41] *** JsobCloud_ is now known as JsobCloud[18:04:41] <zer0her0> HaikuUser: fail[18:04:44] <zer0her0> pass[18:06:32] <HaikuUser> Haiku has lot more advanced apps then i expected, being so new[18:06:53] *** tqh has joined #haiku[18:07:29] <zer0her0> i'm new myself, was reminiscing about BeOS so I figured I'd check it out agan[18:08:45] <HaikuUser> Haiku just need more example code, and a update/app manager to grab new apps easier[18:09:06] <zer0her0> agreed. sort of surprised there isn't anything like that[18:10:20] *** letharion has quit IRC[18:10:58] *** Barrett has quit IRC[18:11:07] <Anarchos> zer0her0 it is the subject of a contract[18:11:49] <zer0her0> Anarchos: hmm?[18:16:51] *** letharion has joined #haiku[18:17:04] *** oxoocoffee has joined #haiku[18:17:23] *** hamishm has joined #haiku[18:19:02] <robert_negro> anyone suceeded at compiling Scribus via qt?[18:21:27] *** oxoocoffee has quit IRC[18:22:15] *** niag has joined #haiku[18:23:28] <HaikuUser> is Qt and Gtk+ being ported to haiku?[18:23:42] <robert_negro> qt is definitely[18:26:07] *** niag has quit IRC[18:26:32] *** rdmr has joined #haiku[18:26:58] <robert_negro> and java too[18:28:13] <Anarchos> zer0her0 someone will get paid to develop a software package manager[18:29:04] <HaikuUser> are Haiku devs payed?[18:32:06] *** debianin has joined #haiku[18:34:00] <tqh> HaikuUser, not really. Some time based contracts have/are done, but they are not at regular rates for a developer.[18:34:41] <tqh> Qt: http://www.qt-haiku.ru/[18:35:05] <HaikuUser> where's all that donation money go? :p[18:35:46] <HaikuUser> also with people pushing the "pc era is over" concept do you think haiku is too late in the desktop/laptop/netbook game?[18:35:49] <tqh> There is info about that, but mainly for the contracts.[18:36:06] <HaikuUser> windows 8 looks like a disaster but they're pretty established as is mac osx and linux[18:36:53] *** XenoDuck has quit IRC[18:40:25] *** jayrulez_ has joined #haiku[18:40:37] *** nsuperbu1 has quit IRC[18:42:07] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[18:42:14] *** jayrulez__ has joined #haiku[18:42:28] *** Negr0_VoP2P has joined #haiku[18:42:40] *** jayrulez_ has quit IRC[18:42:45] *** mith- has joined #haiku[18:43:07] *** jayrulez has quit IRC[18:44:10] <HaikuUser> alright have a good day guys[18:44:14] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[18:44:25] *** petterhj has quit 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IRC[19:21:03] *** Hubert_ has joined #haiku[19:21:48] *** Negr0_VoP2P has joined #haiku[19:22:15] *** oxoocoffee has quit IRC[19:33:03] *** Barrett has quit IRC[19:36:50] <zer0her0> Anarchos: but no one is currently working on one?[19:39:31] <Skipp_OSX> one what?[19:40:34] <Anarchos> zer0her0 i don't know when the work will began[19:40:48] <Anarchos> Skipp_OSX a package manager, i spoke about the recent contract[19:40:57] <Skipp_OSX> ah okay[19:41:08] <Skipp_OSX> afaik nobody is actively working on it no[19:41:14] <zer0her0> ok gotcha[19:43:41] *** Dane__ has joined #haiku[19:43:43] <Dane__> bonk[19:43:45] <Dane__> hey[19:43:48] <Dane__> If I wanted to create a zip file that, if unzipped to /boot/, would put all the enclosed files into the correct folders, how would I do that?[19:44:18] <Skipp_OSX> Dane__: create the folder hierarchy you want, then zip the result with Zip-O-Matic[19:44:47] <Dane__> And zip it from /boot/, right?[19:45:07] <Skipp_OSX> Dane__: it doesn't matter where you zip it from[19:45:09] <Dane__> k[19:45:21] <Skipp_OSX> Dane__, but you'd have to unzip it into /boot[19:45:35] <Dane__> What if I already have the folder hierarchy on my drive, but it contains more files than I want to include in the final zip package?[19:46:04] <Skipp_OSX> Dane__, select only the files you want, right click, chose Zip-O-Matic on these files[19:46:25] <Dane__> Skipp_OSX OK thanks[19:46:31] <Skipp_OSX> np :)[19:52:05] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[19:52:37] *** dak has quit IRC[19:53:53] *** jayrulez has quit IRC[20:00:06] *** RaptorFX has joined #haiku[20:00:26] <RaptorFX> hi[20:02:40] <RaptorFX> i get an error message when i want to boot the haiku Live CD... it has something to do with the kernel[20:03:10] <RaptorFX> are there any newer live cds than the alpha 3?[20:04:07] <Tsyesika> RaptorFX there are nightly releases[20:04:21] <Tsyesika> but they have been tested much less than A3[20:04:45] <Tsyesika> if you wish to risk using nightlies (note they do update everyday) you can at http://haiku-files.org[20:05:09] <Tsyesika> RaptorFX A4 should be out relatively soon (a bit into september i'd estermate0[20:05:12] <Tsyesika> *estermate)[20:05:58] <RaptorFX> ah ok[20:06:20] <RaptorFX> i have tried some saveboot options but without success[20:06:22] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[20:06:32] <Tsyesika> RaptorFX it would be good if you could see if your kernel issue has been reported on dev.haiku-os.org and if it hasn't reporting it[20:06:45] *** backb0ne has joined #haiku[20:06:46] <RaptorFX> it seems that haiku cant handle my dual core processor[20:07:12] <RaptorFX> uh the error message is pretty long[20:07:27] <RaptorFX> i cant remember it in detail[20:07:29] <Tsyesika> RaptorFX to actually report it you could take a photo of the error[20:07:33] *** jayrulez has joined #haiku[20:07:41] <Tsyesika> and attach it to the ticket[20:07:50] <RaptorFX> hm[20:08:35] <Tsyesika> RaptorFX that way if the issue hasn't been reported the devs can fix it[20:08:55] <Tsyesika> RaptorFX do you have a usb stick handy?[20:09:03] <Tsyesika> you could always put a nightly image on it and boot off it?[20:09:12] <Tsyesika> that way you're not using lots of CDs[20:09:34] <RaptorFX> hm my usb stick is nearly full[20:09:47] <Tsyesika> ah[20:10:13] <Tsyesika> it's how i do it, i boot off a usb stick and when i get a new nightly just copy it across and boot again[20:10:58] <RaptorFX> 1GB are enough right?[20:11:01] <Tsyesika> yeh[20:11:38] <Tsyesika> RaptorFX my suggestion is download the anyboot image from haiku-files.org and use that (what OS are you running?)[20:12:47] <RaptorFX> vista[20:13:01] <Tsyesika> ah, I'm not sure how to put images onto pendrives in windows[20:13:33] <Tsyesika> hopefully someone else does and they can help you get it on the usb stick[20:14:00] *** dak has joined #haiku[20:14:37] *** oxoocoffee has joined #haiku[20:15:26] <RaptorFX> ok now i have a 1gb stick available[20:15:44] *** oxoocoffee has quit IRC[20:15:52] <Tsyesika> ermm i'm not sure how to put it on in windows :([20:16:17] <Tsyesika> i'll see if i can find some instructions[20:16:29] <Tsyesika> OH! on the haiku-files it tells you[20:16:35] <RaptorFX> it seems i need special programs[20:16:38] <Tsyesika> http://www.haiku-os.org/guides/installing/making_haiku_usb_stick[20:16:42] <RaptorFX> image writer[20:16:43] <Tsyesika> go to the windows section[20:16:52] <Tsyesika> :)[20:17:00] <Tsyesika> RaptorFX i suggest putting the anyboot image on[20:17:23] <Skipp_OSX> or use dd for windows[20:17:30] *** Dane__ has quit IRC[20:17:39] <humdinner> or HaikuOnAStick: http://haikuware.com/directory/view-details/development/app-installation/haiku-on-a-stick[20:17:51] * Tsyesika is lost as soon as you get into an nt enviroment[20:18:37] <RaptorFX> didnt i mention that i have a Linux dualboot :>[20:19:29] <Tsyesika> in linux dd if=haiku-anyboot.image of=/dev/XXX bs=1M[20:19:32] <Tsyesika> (as root)[20:19:44] <RaptorFX> i try it[20:19:47] <Tsyesika> to find out /dev/XXX fdisk -l[20:19:48] <Tsyesika> :P[20:19:56] <RaptorFX> ok cu later[20:20:03] <Tsyesika> :)[20:20:04] <Tsyesika> bye x[20:20:37] <Tsyesika> ugh Vision is driving me crazy[20:20:40] *** J-Ho has left #haiku[20:22:40] *** Colin_Finck has joined #haiku[20:22:43] <Skipp_OSX> I like Vision, although perhaps I don't use all the features you do[20:23:12] *** _marc` has joined #haiku[20:23:29] *** Colin_Finck has quit IRC[20:23:29] *** Colin_Finck has joined #haiku[20:23:39] <Tsyesika> Skipp_OSX oh I love vision but i fixed two bugs and now more really quite random bugs have popped up[20:24:05] <Tsyesika> Skipp_OSX I fixed user list sorting and also i added colours depending on stauts (founder, protected, op)[20:24:42] *** RaptorFX has quit IRC[20:25:06] <Tsyesika> now after adding them it won't see yourself as anything above +o it seems to ignore founder and protected[20:25:17] <Tsyesika> it see's others, just not yourself[20:25:54] <Tsyesika> Skipp_OSX I plan on fixing most of the bugs on sourceforge :)[20:26:01] <Tsyesika> I want to contribute to haiku as much as I can[20:26:25] <Tsyesika> and since I worked on an IRCd and develop an IRC bot i might as well start at something i know well[20:26:52] *** _marc` has quit IRC[20:28:22] *** Barrett has quit IRC[20:29:48] *** _marc` has joined #haiku[20:31:23] <Skipp_OSX> cool, well, do you know who the maintainer for Vision is?[20:31:32] <Tsyesika> nope[20:31:34] <Tsyesika> no idea[20:31:59] <Tsyesika> Skipp_OSX when i've fixed bugs i'm linking them to a patch file and building binaries myself which people can use[20:32:04] *** dak has quit IRC[20:32:11] <Tsyesika> so the tickets on sourceforge have the patch if they wish to use it[20:34:39] <Tsyesika> never know if i fix enough they might give me commit access[20:34:40] <Tsyesika> :P[20:35:47] *** Kernel86_ has joined #haiku[20:35:47] <Tsyesika> I got the latest Caya compiled too but it's far too unstable to be useful to anyone so i didn't bother uploading it[20:36:57] *** Kernel86 has quit IRC[20:37:13] *** humdinner has quit IRC[20:41:12] <Tsyesika> Skipp_OSX do you know the Vision dev[20:43:27] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[20:43:31] <Tsyesika> right brb i'll be about 30 mins (i'll read the backlog tho so feel free to answer me)[20:45:34] *** MatthewH12 has joined #haiku[20:52:46] *** kcj has joined #haiku[20:54:44] *** XenoDuck has joined #haiku[20:56:52] *** Kernel86_ has quit IRC[20:57:12] *** Kernel86 has joined #haiku[21:01:28] <Skipp_OSX> Tsyesika, no, I do not know the maintainer, I don't even know if there is one[21:03:07] *** tqh has quit IRC[21:04:41] *** happy4crazy has quit IRC[21:04:52] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[21:07:01] *** Colin_Finck has left #haiku[21:07:40] *** happy4crazy has joined #haiku[21:10:33] <Skipp_OSX> according to SourceForge the maintainer is AnEvilYak. Since he obviously isn't actively working on Vision I guess there really isn't one right now.[21:10:36] *** Barrett has quit IRC[21:10:38] *** RaptorFX has joined #haiku[21:10:51] <RaptorFX> re[21:11:13] <RaptorFX> Tsyesika: i tried anyboot without success[21:11:41] <RaptorFX> but i have a picture of the error now[21:12:22] *** Colin_Finck has joined #haiku[21:13:09] *** Colin_Finck has left #haiku[21:13:52] <RaptorFX> http://www.picfront.org/d/8MZI[21:14:57] *** happy4crazy has joined #haiku[21:15:05] *** dcase has quit IRC[21:15:30] *** rootbaron has joined #haiku[21:15:42] <RaptorFX> ups the picture is pretty big[21:15:48] <RaptorFX> sry for that[21:16:07] <rootbaron> Anyone know if there's an Irssi port for Haiku/BeOS?[21:16:09] *** oxoocoffee has joined #haiku[21:19:22] <rootbaron> I take your collective silence as a "no". :p[21:19:29] <RaptorFX> ^^[21:20:33] *** oxoocoffee has quit IRC[21:21:03] <rootbaron> Oh well. I'll download the source and mess around after I finish an experiment or two.[21:21:46] <Tsyesika> back folks[21:21:59] <debianin> rootbaron, what is irssi?[21:22:03] <Tsyesika> RaptorFX, that's a shame... erm let me see if i can spot a bug on the bug trakcer[21:22:31] <Tsyesika> Skipp_OSX I hope the patches I made eventually get accepted[21:22:37] <Tsyesika> debianin I have no idea, sorry[21:24:17] <rootbaron> debianin: A console IRC client.[21:24:24] <debianin> Tsyesika, i asked to rootbaron.[21:24:42] <debianin> are both of you the same user with 2 nickname?[21:24:50] <Tsyesika> no[21:24:53] <rootbaron> Yes[21:24:53] <Tsyesika> i just got mixed up[21:24:55] <rootbaron> :p[21:24:59] <debianin> oooh[21:25:01] <Tsyesika> >.<[21:25:02] <debianin> ok[21:25:02] *** nsuperbus has quit IRC[21:25:15] <RaptorFX> would be nice if you post it to the devtracker i dont wanna registrate there[21:25:28] <debianin> i can't wait for alpha4 :([21:25:47] <rootbaron> Ditto. Is the target of September 1st, 2021 in sight?[21:26:02] <Tsyesika> RaptorFX is this the same problem as when you tried from the CD? same error[21:26:14] <Tsyesika> rootbaron doubt it'll be released then[21:26:19] <Tsyesika> you can expect it early september tho[21:26:28] *** negusnyul has quit IRC[21:26:29] *** idefix_gromit has left #haiku[21:26:45] <rootbaron> Thought so. :/ Well, better late than never.[21:27:34] <Tsyesika> I'd prefer it to be released when it's ready rather than to adhere to some arbitrary schedule[21:28:25] <Tsyesika> RaptorFX https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/8652 seems it has been reported[21:28:38] <rootbaron> Yes, better late than a BFS corruption bug.*[21:28:53] <Tsyesika> yeh i had an issue where it nuked my code i was working with :P[21:29:30] <rootbaron> That's why I follow the Amiga approach of having a Work partition.[21:29:39] <RaptorFX> yes it is the error from booting the cd[21:30:05] <Tsyesika> RaptorFX you might wanna sign up and just mention the nightly you tried and mention it occurs with the CD too[21:30:10] <Tsyesika> maybe post your specs or something[21:31:04] <Skipp_OSX> Tsyesika, the most important thing you need to do to get your patches accepted is to make them do one thing, work, and follow the style guide religiously[21:31:40] <Skipp_OSX> debianin, I believe that irrsi runs on Haiku if that is what you are asking[21:31:54] <Tsyesika> Skipp_OSX yeh i am getting use to the haiku style[21:32:12] <RaptorFX> nono[21:32:18] <RaptorFX> i cant build the nightly[21:32:45] <Tsyesika> RaptorFX huh?[21:35:51] <RaptorFX> my fault[21:35:59] <RaptorFX> fat32 usb stick[21:36:07] <RaptorFX> linux does not write on it[21:36:12] <Tsyesika> huh[21:36:24] <RaptorFX> and i dont wanna change filesystem[21:36:36] *** korli has joined #haiku[21:36:37] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o korli[21:36:37] <Tsyesika> okayyy? :S[21:36:55] <Tsyesika> how did you put the image on without doing that?[21:38:02] <RaptorFX> i have haiku already on dvd[21:38:07] <RaptorFX> iso image[21:39:33] <Tsyesika> okay...[21:39:43] <Tsyesika> i'm definitly missing a piece of info here[21:40:40] <RaptorFX> i start haiku with live dvd[21:41:06] <Tsyesika> i thought you put it on your usb stick?[21:41:13] <RaptorFX> i made a picture of the error that occured[21:41:17] <RaptorFX> no[21:41:28] <Tsyesika> is this A3 or nightly?[21:41:48] <RaptorFX> i wanted to with linux but it didnt work[21:41:51] <RaptorFX> A3[21:42:12] <Tsyesika> you really need to see if this issue is still present in nightly[21:42:22] <Tsyesika> it could have been fixed[21:45:04] <RaptorFX> later not now[21:45:14] <Tsyesika> okay[21:46:15] <rootbaron> Aye, A3 is ancient. It was written in hieroglyphics. Lot of issues since then have been fixed in the nightlies.[21:46:29] <Anarchos> rootbaron lol[21:46:40] <Tsyesika> i remember when A3 came out :P[21:46:53] <Tsyesika> it came out the week after i tried a haiku only week[21:47:11] <Tsyesika> which annoyed me some what :P because i did the haiku only week on A2 and i was going to do a write up about it[21:48:15] <rootbaron> Still would have been interesting. You should try an A3 run now. :p[21:48:27] <Tsyesika> :P[21:48:38] <Tsyesika> just ready for my results to be undermined with A4 ;)[21:48:52] <Tsyesika> rootbaron i now run haiku so much it might as well be haiku only[21:49:10] *** oxoocoffee has joined #haiku[21:49:12] <Tsyesika> besides watching youtube live on my mums laptop i went back to my parents for a week or two and all i brought was a haiku laptop[21:49:13] <Tsyesika> ;P[21:49:35] <Tsyesika> so it seems much less of a big deal to me now :P[21:49:49] <Tsyesika> before i was like an entire week of not using a single OS besids haiku[21:49:55] <rootbaron> I'd like to switch to Haiku only. Right now it's Linux/Haiku/BeOS.[21:50:03] <Tsyesika> i use haiku and linux[21:50:10] <rootbaron> I went a few months with only Haiku. Wasn't bad.[21:50:21] <Tsyesika> nah haiku only is easily achievable now[21:51:14] <rootbaron> Almost. Just need WebPositive to have better CSS3 support (and possibly the developer tools?).[21:51:31] <rootbaron> I don't care as much for HTML5 (would still be nice, but most sites only make heavy use of CSS3).[21:51:44] <Tsyesika> html5 video tag is what i want[21:52:30] *** oxoocoffee has quit IRC[21:53:11] <Anarchos> Tsyesika don't undersestimate the power of porn to attract new users : html5 can be fun for that[21:53:12] <rootbaron> I use youtube-dl in the mean time.[21:53:21] <Tsyesika> i use youtube-dl a lot too :)[21:53:23] <Tsyesika> it's great[21:53:44] *** Spacewalker has quit IRC[21:54:06] *** Megaf has quit IRC[21:54:43] <rootbaron> Oh, and stable USB would also be nice...[21:55:31] <Tsyesika> the only big obstical for me is skype... i'm not so bothered that skype isn't on haiku, what bothers me is me requring skype[21:55:56] <PulkoMandy> we have voptop ![21:56:09] <PulkoMandy> make your friends switch to haiku as well and it will be all fine :)[21:56:09] <rootbaron> If you only need text-based Skype (no audio/video), there's imo.im.[21:56:14] <rootbaron> Runs fine in BeZillaBrowser.[21:56:35] <rootbaron> Does not run fine in WebPositive...[21:57:09] <Tsyesika> :P[21:57:15] <Tsyesika> i might check that out[21:57:15] <rootbaron> PulkoMandy: But does Haiku have AOL? Apprently that's a requirement for most people I know.[21:57:19] <Tsyesika> PulkoMandy that'd be awesome :)[21:57:28] <Tsyesika> rootbaron caya AOL seems to be okay ish[21:57:32] <PulkoMandy> rootbaron: Caya hassupport for AIM, yes[21:57:37] <rootbaron> No, it needs to be the whole client.[21:57:45] <Tsyesika> caya is flakey but it works okay ish with AOL it's when you add other protocols[21:57:46] <rootbaron> They're so accustomed to that bastard of an interface...[21:58:28] <Anarchos> PulkoMandy what is voptop ?[21:58:41] <PulkoMandy> Anarchos: a P2P based VOIP client[21:58:47] <rootbaron> The coolest name for a VOIP client evere.[21:58:48] <rootbaron> ^[21:58:53] <Tsyesika> :P[21:59:00] <Anarchos> PulkoMandy ok so just voice no video ?[21:59:00] <Tsyesika> ugh i should get back to coding[21:59:05] <PulkoMandy> rootbaron: we are not aiming for people who want an Os that looks and works just like everything else -there's ReactOS for that[21:59:09] <Tsyesika> i have these breaks from coding that just seem to be infintely long[21:59:26] <Tsyesika> PulkoMandy+1[21:59:30] <PulkoMandy> Anarchos: I think yes, for now, but video shouldn't be too hard to add when voice is working ?[21:59:36] *** RaptorFX has quit IRC[21:59:44] <Tsyesika> haiku should be better not the same[22:00:09] <rootbaron> PulkoMandy: I just want to stop being called to fix malware-ridden systems.[22:00:16] <Tsyesika> we shouldn't be looking at porting x we should be looking to write a problem which is better than x[22:00:35] <dreamed> rootbaron: tell them to buy macs[22:00:37] <Anarchos> PulkoMandy sure[22:00:38] <dreamed> :P[22:00:48] <rootbaron> dreamed: That conflicts with my religion.[22:00:59] <dreamed> you don't like computers that just work?[22:01:16] <Anarchos> Tsyesika to write a problem ? eh eh[22:01:16] <PulkoMandy> dreamed:well, Macs have they share of problems, usability wise[22:01:17] <rootbaron> Apparently not, because I slave over a hot FreeBSD install all the time.[22:01:23] <Tsyesika> program sorry[22:01:33] <Tsyesika> Anarchos my brain seems to be a bit blah tonight :P[22:01:34] <dreamed> PulkoMandy: every os does[22:01:35] <Anarchos> Tsyesika nice mistake :)[22:01:38] <PulkoMandy> the hardware is good, the underlying OS is ok (anything unix is)[22:02:04] <Tsyesika> i quite like OS X but I think haiku can and will be better :)[22:02:05] <dreamed> I don't have to deal with anywhere near the level of crap on mac os that I do on windows[22:02:07] <PulkoMandy> but the user interface is a failed mix of NextStep and Mac OS Classic :([22:02:16] <Tsyesika> my god apple can make keyboards[22:02:21] <Tsyesika> apple keyboards FTW[22:02:23] <dreamed> the user interface is still better than windows/linux[22:02:24] <dreamed> so eh[22:02:33] <rootbaron> And mouses you can use in hockey games.[22:02:39] <rootbaron> Mice.* Meh.[22:02:39] <dreamed> Tsyesika: they make the best trackpads also[22:02:46] <Tsyesika> yeh i liked my macbook trackpad[22:02:47] <PulkoMandy> well, linux interface is even more mix of different things[22:02:48] <dreamed> rootbaron: that mouse was an abomination[22:02:50] <dreamed> no argument[22:03:03] <PulkoMandy> and windows is becoming the same, with mix of GDI/MFC/.net/custom stuff :/[22:03:08] <Tsyesika> but yeh the keyboards just <3 i love them[22:03:15] <PulkoMandy> (and some new things I must have missed by now)[22:03:33] <rootbaron> Oh dear, the Windows GUI...[22:03:44] <Tsyesika> haiku needs the bluetooth stack and then bluetooth mac keyboard and :)[22:03:46] <rootbaron> I hate this transition to tablet-friendly interfaces on desktops.[22:03:55] <Tsyesika> that totally needs to happen[22:03:59] <dreamed> windows 7 ui is considerably better imo, than previous ones - but getting at functionality in 7 is harder than it needs to be[22:04:03] <dreamed> especially stuff like networking[22:04:13] <PulkoMandy> well, the iOS UI on the other hand is quite good[22:04:23] <PulkoMandy> it obviously shouldn't be reused as is on computers[22:04:32] <PulkoMandy> but I'm curious to see what Apple will get to[22:04:34] <dreamed> rootbaron: I still don't understand why ubuntu/gnome etc are all NETBOOKS ZOMG[22:04:46] *** PasNox has quit IRC[22:04:48] <rootbaron> dreamed: Worst part? They run horrible on netbooks...[22:04:52] <dreamed> PulkoMandy: apple's stated goal is to bring the parts of ios that makes sense on a desktop, to the mac os[22:04:56] <dreamed> rootbaron: heh[22:05:03] <rootbaron> Gnome 3 sucks up all your screen space, too.[22:05:21] <dreamed> unity/gnome 3 got me to try out the current incarnation of kde[22:05:28] <dreamed> which still has its share of problems, but overall is quite nice[22:05:30] <rootbaron> I love padding, but someone with repo access over there went crazy with padding.[22:05:32] <dreamed> much speedier than it used to be[22:05:49] <rootbaron> G3 finally sent me over the edge.[22:06:02] <rootbaron> I had had enough of the main DEs. So then I stumbled across dwm and i3...[22:06:11] <Tsyesika> I worry with haiku that it's just a matter of time until we have gtk, qt, wx, beOS maybe some port of apples cocoa and stuff to haiku[22:06:22] <dreamed> yuck[22:06:24] <dreamed> no[22:06:34] <rootbaron> Qt: Er... Could be worse...[22:06:35] <Tsyesika> I want to retain the haiku pholosophy of making one the best possible[22:06:38] <dreamed> why the feck would you want crud like gtk?[22:06:39] <rootbaron> GTK: OH GOD NO.[22:07:00] <PulkoMandy> Tsyesika: you know what you have to do : native apps :)[22:07:12] <Tsyesika> PulkoMandy indeed :D[22:07:13] <dreamed> ^[22:07:21] <rootbaron> dreamed: So I can run gnome-terminal in Haiku, of course![22:07:35] <Tsyesika> I've been playing with the BeAPI and it's so much nicer than gtk and qt[22:07:38] <PulkoMandy> gnome said they'll be focusing on linux[22:07:39] <Tsyesika> so i don't know why we'd be using them[22:07:39] <dreamed> don't even joke about that[22:07:56] <PulkoMandy> so I'll have to use something else for my debian/kfreebsd box[22:08:12] *** steveh2012 has joined #haiku[22:08:20] <PulkoMandy> Tsyesika: portability, sadly[22:08:22] <rootbaron> Gnome has been drinking the Jobs Kool-Aid.[22:08:30] <dreamed> rootbaron: no[22:08:30] <Tsyesika> mm[22:08:31] <PulkoMandy> sometimes yu want an app to get more users :([22:08:34] <dreamed> a cheap imitation at best[22:08:44] <rootbaron> Yes, that's what I meant...[22:08:58] <Tsyesika> i'd happely settle for haiku not having as many users to not have a gtk port :P[22:09:15] <dreamed> I'd prefer it haiku was native only[22:09:18] <rootbaron> I remember when one of their devs bashed FreeBSD and said they should focus on their own OS. This was about a year and a half ago or so.[22:09:21] <Tsyesika> dreamed as would i[22:09:26] <steveh2012> Question: does PE have code completion?[22:09:26] <Tsyesika> native only all the way[22:09:28] <rootbaron> It was then that I realized they were lost...[22:09:34] <PulkoMandy> steveh2012: no[22:09:45] <PulkoMandy> (patches welcome)[22:10:04] <PulkoMandy> Tsyesika: well... BeZillaBrowser made us get some users for quite some time[22:10:19] <steveh2012> Does any editor on Haiku/Be have it?[22:10:47] <PulkoMandy> steveh2012: vim ? well, it's not as good as some others for that[22:11:02] <Tsyesika> PulkoMandy i would rather whatever work was put into making that work was put into WebPositive[22:11:44] <rootbaron> Our Firefox port hasn't seen action in a long time.[22:11:55] <PulkoMandy> yes, the focus switched to Web+ now[22:11:56] <rootbaron> It's stuck in the 2.x branch. So nothing further.[22:12:06] <Tsyesika> PulkoMandy :)[22:12:07] <rootbaron> Yep. WebKit all the way.[22:12:08] <PulkoMandy> there is a very early alpha of 3.x actually[22:12:23] <rootbaron> Ah, yes. That version works rather well.[22:12:27] <rootbaron> I use it on BeOS. :)[22:12:53] <Tsyesika> don't get me wrong I love firefox and mozilla and it's what i run on non-haiku systems but we might as well work on a native browser webpositive in my opinion[22:13:01] <steveh2012> Darn, guess Netbeans C++ module with the OpenJDK is the closest then.[22:13:06] <PulkoMandy> I guess we could go with Classilla if we wanted to update our Firefox, but now that we have Webkit it doesn't seem as useful[22:13:23] <PulkoMandy> Tsyesika: and we are[22:13:28] <rootbaron> Yeah, I'd rather we use WebKit and not Mozilla.[22:13:28] <Tsyesika> :) good[22:13:34] <rootbaron> But Presto would be even better. :)[22:13:40] <PulkoMandy> but, I mean that BeZilla helped us in the meantime[22:13:45] <PulkoMandy> which lasted quite long[22:13:45] <Tsyesika> yeh[22:14:08] <rootbaron> BZB still works alright for some sites WP doesn't work in.[22:14:08] <PulkoMandy> so I don't mind if we get some ports and then they fade away because native apps are so much better and faster[22:14:15] <PulkoMandy> and I think we can do that[22:14:18] <Tsyesika> i'm kind of tied to be honest because I love and support mozilla and what they do but i love haiku and they conflict :P[22:14:49] <PulkoMandy> we could port only gecko and build a native shell around it as well[22:14:59] <PulkoMandy> or whatever their rendering engine is these days :)[22:15:09] <Tsyesika> they use gecko :P[22:15:16] <rootbaron> Gecko. Why did Haiku switch to WebKit instead of doing that, actually?[22:15:40] <rootbaron> I think WebKit is better, though, so no complaints.[22:15:49] <PulkoMandy> I guess the licence[22:15:52] <Tsyesika> i quite like gecko[22:15:58] <PulkoMandy> as well as, maybe it sounded easier[22:16:00] <Tsyesika> i guess gecko is GPL?[22:16:07] <rootbaron> MPL.[22:16:12] <Tsyesika> oh yes[22:16:18] <Tsyesika> of course i forgot mozilla had their own licence[22:17:24] *** geist has quit IRC[22:17:33] <rootbaron> If Opera ever ports to Haiku before dying in a horrible chapter 11, I will be happy.[22:18:01] *** dreamed has quit IRC[22:19:30] <PulkoMandy> we saw some opera employees here last summer, looking for an intern to do it[22:19:35] <Tsyesika> laaa right i'm going to get some food and a coffee and go back to working on Vision[22:19:44] <PulkoMandy> so it might happen, if some student feels like spending some time in norway[22:20:06] *** dreamed has joined #haiku[22:20:32] <AlienSoldier> you have see nothing yet, do you think apple will stay like it is, soon they will do their own "web" standard and browser to go with it.[22:21:12] <AlienSoldier> the current way browser are done is so inneficient, it does not make sense in a mobile (battery) environment[22:21:40] <PulkoMandy> google already tried that[22:21:42] <rootbaron> PulkoMandy: That surprises me (but in a good way!). I hope something would progress from that.[22:21:42] <PulkoMandy> so did microsoft[22:21:55] <PulkoMandy> and likely others before and after[22:22:12] <dreamed> I don't think apple will do that[22:22:21] <dreamed> they're quite happy to just keep trucking on with what they have now[22:22:36] <dreamed> they have far more interesting in the app stores[22:22:44] <dreamed> if you want to think about monopolistic practice[22:23:16] <AlienSoldier> that is my point, the app store will eventually evolve into a full web, and ultimately as a completely separated network[22:23:28] <rootbaron> I'm still surprised Windows 8 and its hardware requirements sailed like it did.[22:23:31] <dreamed> I'm not sure I follow[22:23:49] <PulkoMandy> well, the app store is a way to get apps and pay for content[22:23:50] <rootbaron> dreamed: Think AOL walled-garden esque.[22:23:57] <PulkoMandy> for now that's about all[22:23:58] <dreamed> that's ridiculous[22:24:03] <dreamed> there'd be no benefit[22:24:13] <AlienSoldier> yes, kinda like AOL[22:24:14] <PulkoMandy> and if they add more restrictions to it, they risk both users and developpers going away[22:24:14] *** debianin has quit IRC[22:24:24] <rootbaron> I see the app stores on Windows and Mac becomming the only way to install software.[22:24:24] <PulkoMandy> (it's happenning on Mac OS store already)[22:24:30] <rootbaron> But that's about it.[22:24:41] <dreamed> rootbaron: ditto[22:24:50] <PulkoMandy> there is more than just the store in Apple way[22:24:55] <Tsyesika> I might write some awesome chemistry software for haiku (don't hold your breath tho it's just an idea)[22:24:57] <rootbaron> Still horrible. I would never touch 'em. Especially if I had to sign up...[22:25:00] <dreamed> PulkoMandy: yeah it is. The app store makes community outreach much harder, and quite a few other things end up causing pain[22:25:01] <PulkoMandy> for now they integrate facebook, twitter and friends in the OS API[22:25:10] <PulkoMandy> then they could replace them with their own services[22:25:12] *** geist has joined #haiku[22:25:12] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o geist[22:25:13] <rootbaron> I don't even use the Android Market because I need to be signed in. Kind of limits what I can do on Android.[22:25:36] <dreamed> PulkoMandy: they'd have to grow services to match though[22:25:40] <dreamed> and they're not capable of it[22:25:45] <PulkoMandy> there's iCloud[22:25:48] <dreamed> much easier to just leverage the ones already at the top[22:25:57] <PulkoMandy> and there is mac.com or something alike for some time now[22:25:58] <rootbaron> No SN from Microsoft. But they have Skype.[22:26:12] <PulkoMandy> so yes, for now they are happy to use existing services[22:26:13] <rootbaron> I think Apple's phasing out one of those, PulkoMandy.[22:26:22] <dreamed> mac.com is going, from memory[22:26:24] <PulkoMandy> then they will either replace them or buy them[22:26:33] <dreamed> PulkoMandy: only if it makes financial sense to[22:26:38] <PulkoMandy> sure[22:26:40] <dreamed> and it really doesn't[22:26:42] <PulkoMandy> let's see what happens[22:26:51] <PulkoMandy> for now it'd cost too much[22:26:59] <dreamed> it's not that it would cost too much[22:27:04] <dreamed> it's that the return isn't good enough[22:27:08] <dreamed> see facebook ipo[22:27:12] <dreamed> or how to monetise twitter[22:27:23] *** vooshy has joined #haiku[22:27:26] <dreamed> apple is the most wealthy company on the planet - they could afford anything[22:27:53] <AlienSoldier> wealthy, not really, lot of paper money in that[22:28:04] <AlienSoldier> at least they have cash[22:29:00] <rootbaron> I hope the Valve push onto Linux sparks something...[22:29:30] *** steveh2012 has quit IRC[22:29:34] <AlienSoldier> might do the trick, game always was one of the M$ success reasons[22:29:54] <Skipp_OSX> It won't, the culture of Linux is what needs to change[22:29:54] <PulkoMandy> it's only one[22:30:14] <PulkoMandy> Skipp_OSX: well, if games bring their users, it *could* work[22:30:24] <PulkoMandy> and with something like ubuntu getting so big[22:30:39] <rootbaron> And from Kickstarter and the Humble Bundles, Linux users are willing to fork over more to get support.[22:30:42] <rootbaron> Well, some are...[22:30:56] <rootbaron> You'll never convert the free software folks.[22:30:58] <PulkoMandy> (maybe not ubuntu itself, if they keep trying to go tablet)[22:31:01] <Skipp_OSX> It remains to be seen if people will actually buy games on Linux[22:31:15] <PulkoMandy> why not[22:31:42] <PulkoMandy> if you get people to run linux, not because it's free, but because it works better than windows (on some parts)[22:31:45] <Skipp_OSX> because steam games are not free, not as in beer or speech[22:31:50] <PulkoMandy> then you will get users that are ok to pay[22:32:03] <Skipp_OSX> It's a nice idea, I'll believe it when I see it[22:32:13] <rootbaron> Plenty of Linux users don't care about the FOSS bit that much.[22:32:13] <PulkoMandy> (I know at least some people that are in this case)[22:32:32] <rootbaron> Just look at the ones who run Steam and Photoshop under Wine.[22:32:47] <AlienSoldier> game on linux will need to adress the compatibility break problem. You can't expect a user to have 12 linux iteration collected over the years[22:33:04] <PulkoMandy> AlienSoldier: this was solved long ago actually[22:33:05] *** oco2 has joined #haiku[22:33:29] <PulkoMandy> I still have that Loki port of Heroes of Might and Magic 3, I'm fairly sure this game from ~2000 would still work on a modern linux[22:33:31] <dreamed> people who want to support gaming on linux will buy them, everyone else will pirate them[22:33:34] <Skipp_OSX> I bought games from Loki, this is not the first attempt to bring commercial games to Linux[22:33:35] <dreamed> ala android[22:33:53] <PulkoMandy> dreamed: that doesn't change anything from the status on windows or anything else[22:34:05] <rootbaron> PulkoMandy: It might. Just need the right libs.[22:34:07] <PulkoMandy> and still for 30+ years game editors manage to make a living out of it[22:34:40] <rootbaron> Yeah, Loki and id didn't fare well with Linux.[22:34:41] <PulkoMandy> and as computers are getting more mainstream, we get users that don't even know they could pirate a game[22:34:45] <rootbaron> The former went bust, even.[22:34:57] <Skipp_OSX> I also bought Quake3 for Linux back in the day...[22:35:00] <Skipp_OSX> remember that?[22:35:16] <PulkoMandy> Skipp_OSX: that's 6+ years after the windows release[22:35:22] <Tsyesika> I had sims for linux[22:35:25] <PulkoMandy> happened for most id software games[22:35:32] <PulkoMandy> (doom, quake, ...)[22:35:32] <Tsyesika> it came with a mandrake boxset[22:35:36] <Tsyesika> with the powerback and sims :P[22:35:36] <rootbaron> But I think Loki having been around during that time contributed.[22:35:41] <Tsyesika> that was like 2001, 2002[22:35:42] <Skipp_OSX> and it was ghetto, ahhh glide[22:35:54] <rootbaron> Commercial Linux gaming in 2001 doesn't sound as viable as in 2012.[22:35:54] <Tsyesika> Skipp_OSX I was brought up on linux :P[22:36:01] *** alexandros_c has joined #haiku[22:37:07] <dreamed> that explains so much[22:37:09] <dreamed> ;p[22:37:11] <Skipp_OSX> certainly linux seems to have the pieces like vendor supported video drivers[22:37:26] <rootbaron> Valve has certainly been helping that department.[22:37:29] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[22:37:30] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[22:37:59] <PulkoMandy> dell made some pressure on the vendors to get linux drivers as well[22:38:30] <PulkoMandy> and android also likely helps[22:38:35] <PulkoMandy> (it's stilllinux underneath)[22:38:46] <PulkoMandy> so it moves in the good direction[22:38:49] <rootbaron> I don't view Android the same way as I do desktop Linux.[22:38:54] <rootbaron> It uses the kernel, but that's about it.[22:38:57] <PulkoMandy> would be better if haiku was used instead, but, we're a bit late :)[22:39:00] <Skipp_OSX> Valve has arrived on Linux just in time for the rug to get pulled out from under them from Wayland[22:39:08] <PulkoMandy> rootbaron: so, it shares the drivers[22:39:31] <PulkoMandy> Skipp_OSX: lot of talk on this wayland; but no visible results yet[22:39:44] <rootbaron> True. And I think Android is heading into the mainline bit by bit...[22:39:53] <PulkoMandy> not to mention we've had directfb for years that does the same[22:39:54] <Skipp_OSX> Android is in the mainstream[22:40:07] <dreamed> it is, but it's not a good money maker for game developers[22:40:19] <dreamed> there's too much piracy, and surveys are showing most android owners don't buy anything[22:40:20] <rootbaron> Skipp_OSX: Mainline kernel, or a mainstream handheld OS? ;p[22:40:32] <Skipp_OSX> rootbaron, not a mainline kernel[22:40:40] <Skipp_OSX> mainstream OS[22:40:43] <rootbaron> Yes, I meant the mainline Linux kernel.[22:40:53] <Skipp_OSX> the kernel can't be mainline[22:40:54] <AlienSoldier> the only really viable way to monetize game is game consoles imho[22:40:58] <rootbaron> Wayland still looks to be a bit off.[22:41:13] <PulkoMandy> dreamed: as I said, same apply for windows and pretty much anything else[22:41:20] <rootbaron> I know the next Ubuntu will have WL packages, but I wouldn't hold my breath.[22:41:23] <Skipp_OSX> not unless the power management stuff is added to mainline, you don't want a phone with a desktop's power management[22:41:40] <PulkoMandy> the first users are some tech-oriented people[22:41:56] <PulkoMandy> and know their way around piracy[22:42:05] <Skipp_OSX> You can monitize games on iOS[22:42:06] <PulkoMandy> then it will go more and more towards "mainstream" users[22:42:10] <rootbaron> Yes, Skipp_OSX. I didn't mean the whole thing was being shoved into one another. That would be a disaster. :p[22:43:27] *** Hubert_ has quit IRC[22:45:18] <AlienSoldier> even on iOS it's hard to monetize because their is too much game and free one in that. With game console, the console maker have it's last saying in what get released (unless you are activision on the sega genesis)[22:45:48] <PulkoMandy> well[22:45:53] <PulkoMandy> apple could do that as well[22:45:58] <PulkoMandy> they decided not to[22:46:03] <Skipp_OSX> the way you monetize games on iOS is to make the game free with in-game purchases[22:46:07] <PulkoMandy> and any game console manufacturer could do the same[22:46:09] *** letharion has quit IRC[22:46:11] <AlienSoldier> perhaps they will in the future[22:48:58] <dreamed> Epic's game Infinity Blade on iOS has made them more money than any of their other titles (like Gears of War)[22:49:08] <dreamed> it's a direct sale, not microtransaction based[22:51:52] <rootbaron> I think iOS being closed-off to iTunes-only purchases helps developers make a sale.[22:52:01] <rootbaron> Lot easier to pirate APKs on Android.[22:54:26] <dreamed> mmhmm[22:57:49] <Tsyesika> Skipp_OSX you know i was talking about me introducing bugs into Vision[22:57:51] <Tsyesika> turned out the bug existed[22:57:58] <rootbaron> For some reason YouTube thinks I need adverts in Spanish...[22:58:10] <Tsyesika> like i didn't introduce it... it was there anyway[22:58:10] *** letharion has joined #haiku[22:58:23] <rootbaron> Tsyesika: Please don't add more bugs to Vision. :p[22:58:37] <Tsyesika> rootbaron i won't :P[22:58:48] * Anarchos never noticed bugs into Vision, just some unintuitive behaviours in the settings[22:58:53] *** stpere has joined #haiku[22:59:04] <Tsyesika> i thought i had and i couldn't work out why it was happening but i've realised they existed in the other versions[22:59:14] <Tsyesika> Anarchos not noticed the founder and protected nick sorting issue?[22:59:23] <Tsyesika> that was the first bug i noticed (then wrote a patch for)[22:59:33] *** negusnyul has joined #haiku[22:59:40] <rootbaron> Vision's been pretty solis as-is, true. Would just like that damn bug fixed where users marked as "~" (channel owner on some networks) didn't have the tilde treated as an extension of their nickname...[22:59:54] <rootbaron> Solid.*[23:00:14] <Tsyesika> rootbaron did you notice it goes to the bottom?[23:00:20] <Skipp_OSX> introducing bugs?[23:00:22] <Tsyesika> rootbaron i worte a patch for that last night[23:00:31] <rootbaron> Yes, it also treats it as a lower rank than +v...[23:00:44] <rootbaron> Tsyesika: Wonderful! :D[23:00:46] <Tsyesika> Skipp_OSX i thought i kept introducing bugs because i found more but i realised they existed before i did[23:00:48] <Tsyesika> rootbaron yep[23:00:49] <rootbaron> You've made me very happy.[23:01:05] <Tsyesika> ^.^[23:01:13] <Tsyesika> rootbaron it was annoying me too :P[23:01:28] <Tsyesika> rootbaron i'm adding differnet colours depending on if you're founder/protected/op/half-op[23:01:43] <rootbaron> Great! Now I don't need that Irssi port.[23:01:46] <Skipp_OSX> Tsyesika, so you've only discoverd bugs, not introduced them then[23:01:56] <Tsyesika> yeh i didn't realise that until now Skipp_OSX :P[23:02:06] <Skipp_OSX> well... good[23:02:09] <Tsyesika> i just grabbed a new copy from the repo and was like "heyy i didn't make these bugs" :P[23:02:37] <Skipp_OSX> Tsyesika, are your source code changes available publicly somewhere?[23:03:06] <PulkoMandy> I'm sure DeadYak will happily integrate them ? :)[23:03:19] <Tsyesika> erm i have a patch http://tsyesika.co.uk/u/ChannelAgent.patch[23:03:29] <rootbaron> Yes, I think that tilde bug was around for almost 10 years...[23:03:30] <Tsyesika> and a binary with that patch in http://tsyesika.co.uk/u/Haiku[23:04:53] <Skipp_OSX> Tsyesika, *sigh* okay, there are a few problems with that patch[23:05:06] <Skipp_OSX> first off, what editor are you using?[23:05:59] <Skipp_OSX> nm that, okay, there here are the problems with that patch[23:06:10] <Skipp_OSX> the { should be on the same line as the if statement[23:06:13] <Tsyesika> Skipp_OSX Pe[23:06:43] <Skipp_OSX> and if the statement is one line long, as in this case, the { braces should be omitted entirely[23:06:44] <Tsyesika> Skipp_OSX i use to do that but looking at the vision code they do if (condition) then { on the next line[23:06:48] <rootbaron> Skipp_OSX: It should? My thinking stems from using PHP, though...[23:06:49] <hamishm> Skipp_OSX: vision doesn't follow the Haiku coding guidelines[23:07:09] <Skipp_OSX> hamishm, ahh okay[23:07:11] <Skipp_OSX> nm then :)[23:07:31] <Tsyesika> you're right about the erm single line stuff[23:07:54] <rootbaron> Vision isn't a Haiku application?[23:07:56] *** johnny_b has quit IRC[23:08:05] <rootbaron> I'm surprised. I thought it was adopted a long time ago.[23:08:37] <PulkoMandy> it's an optional package[23:08:39] <hamishm> well it's project pages are on sourceforge[23:08:45] <PulkoMandy> like pe, and some others[23:08:54] <rootbaron> Ah, I see.[23:09:19] <PulkoMandy> it's kind of a 1st class citizen, being developed by one of the haiku devs and provided preinstalled in the alphas[23:09:34] <rootbaron> But really 2nd-class.[23:09:51] *** Kernel86 has quit IRC[23:09:57] <Skipp_OSX> rootbaron, it is, but it doesn't use the same style conventions as the OS apparently[23:10:17] <Skipp_OSX> PulkoMandy, more like a first cousin :)[23:10:47] <PulkoMandy> well, seems I need to practise english a bit more then :)[23:11:10] <Skipp_OSX> Tsyesika, your brace style is correct[23:11:43] <Tsyesika> i just switched it all to remove { } when it's one line[23:11:44] <Skipp_OSX> Tsyesika, just make sure to use a universal diff for your patch[23:11:51] <Skipp_OSX> Tsyesika, how are you creating that patch file?[23:12:02] <Skipp_OSX> Tsyesika, no, undo that, I was wrong to say that[23:12:04] <Tsyesika> diff orig new > file.patch[23:12:24] <Tsyesika> Skipp_OSX nah there is if's that are only one line that don't use { }[23:12:37] <Skipp_OSX> Tsyesika, use svn diff > file.patch in the source dir...[23:12:45] <Tsyesika> ahh[23:12:46] <Tsyesika> okay :)[23:12:50] <Skipp_OSX> or use diff -u orig new > file.patch[23:13:21] <Skipp_OSX> svn diff is probably easiest though since you don't need to specify the files... wait[23:13:27] <Tsyesika> i also fixed the make file[23:13:59] <Skipp_OSX> Tsyesika, okay, then you'll need to do svn diff src/ > file.patch[23:14:00] <PulkoMandy> svn diff is easier and safer[23:14:24] <Skipp_OSX> +1[23:14:47] <Tsyesika> i donno what i should do ... ><[23:14:55] <Tsyesika> i'm fixing multiple bugs[23:15:28] <Skipp_OSX> Tsyesika, run svn diff path/to/file/with/changes will limit your patch to just that file[23:15:58] <Tsyesika> ahh awesome[23:15:59] <Tsyesika> cool[23:16:04] <Skipp_OSX> Tsyesika, so in this case you could run `svn diff src/ChannelAgent.cpp > file.patch`[23:17:06] *** Kernel86 has joined #haiku[23:17:36] <PulkoMandy> send the patches to DeadYak[23:17:54] <PulkoMandy> when they are applied to the svn it will be easier to track your remaining changes[23:18:15] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[23:18:37] <Tsyesika> Skipp_OSX kk the patch is updated[23:19:38] <Skipp_OSX> Tsyesika, rerun the patch from the trunk/Vision directory[23:19:51] <Tsyesika> o[23:19:59] <Tsyesika> i suck at this[23:20:24] *** petterhj has quit IRC[23:20:46] <PulkoMandy> we all started there :)[23:23:37] <Tsyesika> Skipp_OSX done[23:24:04] <Skipp_OSX> Tsyesika, okay that looks good[23:25:09] <Skipp_OSX> oh, no it doesn't[23:25:14] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[23:25:19] <Skipp_OSX> you need to put the {'s back in on their own lines[23:25:26] <Tsyesika> how come?[23:25:26] <Skipp_OSX> *sorry*[23:25:39] <Skipp_OSX> Tsyesika, that is the Vision way[23:25:41] <Tsyesika> no seriously in other bits of Vision they have just single line if's without curly braces[23:25:45] <Tsyesika> lemmi find some[23:26:15] <PulkoMandy> do it so it looks i line with the file you are changing[23:26:19] <PulkoMandy> that should be ok :)[23:26:31] <Tsyesika> Skipp_OSX http://codepad.org/5mNe0lbW[23:26:36] <Tsyesika> that's part of the same file[23:26:39] <rootbaron> "The Vision Way."[23:27:02] <Skipp_OSX> Tsyesika, hmmm okay then I don't know[23:27:06] *** vooshy has quit IRC[23:27:46] <Skipp_OSX> looks like it does it both ways so you are good[23:27:47] <Skipp_OSX> :)[23:27:54] <Tsyesika> :P[23:28:03] <Tsyesika> i prefer it with the { } i think it looks clearly[23:28:06] <Tsyesika> *clearer[23:28:09] <rootbaron> Yay for ignored coding standards![23:28:23] <Tsyesika> :P[23:28:29] <Skipp_OSX> actually single line with no braces seems more common[23:28:40] <rootbaron> I prefer a new line, but that's because I'm a communist.[23:28:50] <Tsyesika> it is more common :P I just dislike it[23:29:44] <Tsyesika> i prefer http://codepad.org/iZhyeSj0 <--[23:29:57] <Tsyesika> but obviously i adhere to whatever standard the project uses, or at least i try to[23:30:08] <Tsyesika> ugh i missed the () on the else if[23:30:10] <Tsyesika> but you get the idea[23:31:00] <Skipp_OSX> I prefer that too, but it is not the Vision way[23:31:58] <hamishm> why are there brackets around the pointers?[23:32:05] <hamishm> like (blah)->Method()[23:32:13] <rootbaron> "The Vision Way." :p[23:32:26] <Tsyesika> ^[23:32:41] *** jayrulez has quit IRC[23:32:43] <Tsyesika> hamishm i noticed it in others bits of Vision so i was just trying to do as they did[23:33:07] <hamishm> oh I know[23:33:12] <hamishm> just wondering why they did it in the first place[23:33:23] <Skipp_OSX> hamishm, idk, but that is how it is in the origin[23:33:23] <Tsyesika> i have no idea :P I am just getting familiar with it[23:33:29] <rootbaron> hamishm: They're free-spirited.[23:33:35] <Tsyesika> ^_^[23:34:44] <hamishm> fair enough[23:35:02] <Skipp_OSX> ask anevilyak[23:35:06] *** negusnyul has left #haiku[23:37:16] <Tsyesika> I gotta figure out what this weird bug is about that i discovered[23:37:38] <rootbaron> Tsyesika: Some things are best left hidden...[23:37:59] <Tsyesika> huh[23:38:59] <rootbaron> Sorry, I'm self-medicating.[23:41:19] <Skipp_OSX> anyway, provided that patch works it looks good to me, so at least you now know how to generate proper patches.[23:41:31] <Tsyesika> yeh :) thanks Skipp_OSX[23:42:38] <Tsyesika> I best try and fix the url parsing too :P[23:43:58] <Skipp_OSX> wait, you made changes to the Makefile?[23:44:05] <Tsyesika> i did[23:44:15] <Skipp_OSX> there is a Jamfile, could you build with that instead?[23:44:30] <Tsyesika> i tried (i know little about jam) but it didn't seem to work :P[23:44:38] <Tsyesika> it now builds fine though[23:44:41] <Skipp_OSX> should just run jam[23:44:47] <Tsyesika> i tried just running jam[23:44:49] <Tsyesika> it didn't build it[23:44:53] <Skipp_OSX> okay, well, I'm not sure what is current[23:45:16] <Tsyesika> Skipp_OSX gcc4 linking failed so i had to explicitly tell it where the libraries where :P[23:45:59] <Skipp_OSX> okay sounds good[23:46:13] *** DaaT has joined #haiku[23:47:05] <Tsyesika> I had to edit the jam file for Caya to get it to build >.<[23:47:16] <Skipp_OSX> Might be helpful to build a Paladin project file... but I guess that would be yet another way to build it, if you got it building with the Makefile I say that is fine[23:47:25] <Skipp_OSX> Tsyesika, are you using gcc2 or gcc4?[23:47:29] <Tsyesika> gcc4[23:47:41] <Skipp_OSX> okay[23:47:57] <Tsyesika> Skipp_OSX Vision has 2 make files, one for gcc4 and one for gcc2, i modified the gcc4 make file[23:48:15] <Skipp_OSX> I see that[23:48:30] <Skipp_OSX> looks like gcc4 is the preferred one[23:48:50] <Skipp_OSX> gathering from the fact that Makefile is a symlink to Makefile.gcc4[23:49:15] <Tsyesika> :P[23:53:16] <CIA-58> haiku.master: korli * 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