August 29, 2012 
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August 29, 2012 [00:00:04] <jessicah> hi jmayfield[00:02:48] *** hamishm_ has joined #haiku[00:03:16] <johndrinkwater> ho hum[00:03:56] *** happy4crazy has joined #haiku[00:04:45] *** hamishm has quit IRC[00:09:09] *** PasNox has quit IRC[00:10:26] *** kcj has joined #haiku[00:13:25] *** ismd has quit IRC[00:13:45] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[00:14:28] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[00:15:57] *** dimonov has quit IRC[00:18:11] *** dimonov has joined #haiku[00:18:12] *** TimKack has quit IRC[00:26:25] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[00:28:33] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[00:33:00] *** happy4crazy has quit IRC[00:34:18] *** happy4crazy has joined #haiku[00:48:38] *** bjz has joined #haiku[00:52:42] *** radeschi has quit IRC[00:55:44] *** Negr0_VoP2P has quit IRC[01:09:18] *** alexandros_c has joined #haiku[01:20:33] *** Prodito has quit IRC[01:21:27] *** oco2 has quit IRC[01:26:43] *** Ingenu has left #haiku[01:35:03] *** Prodito has joined #haiku[01:35:56] *** Sikosis has 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ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[02:47:37] *** jmelesky has quit IRC[02:51:06] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[02:51:56] *** alexandros_c has quit IRC[02:53:26] *** alexandros_c has joined #haiku[02:56:04] *** alexandros_c has quit IRC[02:57:09] *** Nozy has joined #haiku[02:57:18] *** Nozy has left #haiku[03:00:39] *** duvjones has joined #haiku[03:06:18] *** Sikosis_ has joined #haiku[03:06:19] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis_[03:08:51] <Disreali> evening/morning Sikosis_[03:09:04] <Tsyesika> hey Disreali[03:09:05] <Tsyesika> :)[03:09:21] <Disreali> hi Tsyesika[03:09:32] <Tsyesika> :)[03:09:34] <Tsyesika> how are you?[03:09:44] <Disreali> I am well[03:10:25] <Tsyesika> good ^.^[03:10:26] <Disreali> I've had a late dinner, nice cheese course and good beer[03:10:34] <Tsyesika> sounds lovely[03:10:34] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[03:10:39] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[03:11:06] *** Sikosis_ has quit IRC[03:11:08] *** mmadia has quit IRC[03:14:40] *** Sikosis_ has joined #haiku[03:14:40] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis_[03:15:06] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[03:15:06] *** Sikosis_ is now known as Sikosis[03:18:22] *** Sikosis_ has joined #haiku[03:18:23] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis_[03:18:37] <jessicah> hey Disreali[03:19:02] <Disreali> hi jessicah[03:19:42] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[03:20:39] <jessicah> what's up?[03:24:15] *** happy4crazy has joined #haiku[03:25:04] *** Sikosis_ is now known as Sikosis[03:26:00] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[03:28:11] *** bjz has quit IRC[03:28:58] *** happy4crazy has quit IRC[03:29:23] *** Sikosis_ has joined #haiku[03:29:24] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis_[03:29:56] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[03:29:57] *** Sikosis_ is now known as Sikosis[03:33:55] *** alexandros_c has joined #haiku[03:37:59] *** Xeon3D is now known as Xeon3D|Zzz[03:41:23] *** alexandros_c has quit IRC[03:41:27] *** rjg has quit IRC[03:42:10] *** alexandros_c has joined #haiku[03:44:53] *** hamishm has joined #haiku[03:45:13] <Disreali> jessicah: I'm watching movies. sorry for the late reply[03:45:48] <jessicah> it's okay :) i'm just working :p[03:46:18] *** stpere has quit IRC[03:46:21] *** diver has quit IRC[03:46:59] *** hamishm_ has quit IRC[03:48:12] <HaikuUser> meow[03:51:31] <dreamed> moof[03:51:44] *** rjg has joined #haiku[03:55:50] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[03:59:21] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[04:12:02] *** nsuperbus has joined #haiku[04:17:45] *** ismd has joined #haiku[04:32:19] *** Sikosis_ has joined #haiku[04:32:19] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis_[04:32:52] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[04:32:53] *** Sikosis_ is now known as Sikosis[04:38:36] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[04:38:54] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[04:47:51] *** danielpereira has quit IRC[05:03:18] *** Disreali has quit IRC[05:04:44] *** qptain_Nemo has quit IRC[05:12:41] *** Skipp_Haiku has quit IRC[05:40:30] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[05:52:54] *** leku has joined #haiku[05:52:56] <leku> hello[05:53:05] <leku> are there any compelling reasons to use Haiku?[05:55:43] <jstressman> elegant and clean API and UI, blazing fast speed from boot up through use and shut down, etc.[05:55:53] <jstressman> active and friendly development community.[05:56:13] <jstressman> it's just an all around pleasure to be a part of. :)[05:56:32] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[05:58:51] *** Tsyesika has quit IRC[05:59:46] *** Tsyesika has joined #haiku[06:00:47] <leku> is haiku one of your main systems?[06:00:52] <leku> can I try it in a VM?[06:01:57] <leku> yep[06:04:14] <geist> sure[06:05:30] <leku> downloading..[06:06:19] <leku> looks like it has a shell and takes unix-like commands?[06:06:24] <geist> yep[06:06:46] <leku> micro or monolithic kernel?[06:06:59] <geist> depends on who you talk to[06:07:34] <leku> do a lot of GNU applications compile/port easy?[06:07:41] <geist> i think so, it's posix[06:07:58] <leku> k[06:11:20] <Tsyesika> hybrid kernel[06:11:33] <Tsyesika> and yes lots of gnu applications do port, gcc, ld, ls, mv, dd, etc...[06:12:08] <leku> well we'll see[06:12:37] <leku> i'm always teased by promises of a good desktop and have yet to find one[06:13:02] <leku> don't own a mac tho[06:13:08] <Tsyesika> I love haiku :)[06:13:12] <Tsyesika> it's on half my machines[06:13:21] <leku> cool[06:13:40] <leku> i'm watching the google talk now on haiku[06:13:45] <Tsyesika> for some people it might not be ready[06:14:12] <leku> i'm a savvy user, sometimes i like to play around[06:14:25] <leku> but i don't like an OS that is a constant chore to setup to yuor liking or keep running[06:15:11] <Tsyesika> like for example erm... WebPositive doesn't have html5 support yet and i'd rather not have a flash mimic on my system so i end up having to use youtube-dl to watch the stuff... erm the keyring is in development for storing passwords so on boot i gotta type the wireless password everytime[06:15:28] <Tsyesika> for me, i love the look and feel and applications and everything for me to pass that up as meh that's fine[06:15:31] <leku> damn[06:15:33] <leku> so no youtube?[06:15:36] <Tsyesika> for others, maybe it's not?[06:15:43] <geist> definitely. beos was a lot of fun[06:15:58] <Tsyesika> leku there is a python script called youtube-dl easy to download them and then the mediaplayer shipped with haiku will play them[06:16:08] <leku> yeah that is suboptimal[06:16:14] * Tsyesika shrugs[06:16:21] <Tsyesika> I'm sure html5 will come to WebPositive soon :)[06:16:27] <Tsyesika> leku there is gnash I believe[06:16:37] <leku> how come you don't use that?[06:16:49] <Tsyesika> I don't want flash or a flash like application on my system[06:16:55] <Tsyesika> flash is horrible[06:17:01] <leku> why is it horrible?[06:17:02] <geist> yah, i have flash disabled here too[06:17:29] <Tsyesika> leku security holes, eats your CPU and ram, slow, pointless for video, etc...[06:17:53] <Tsyesika> not to mention 50% of crappy adds use flash... o yeh some sites use those sticky flash cookies to track you[06:17:56] <leku> those are some horrible things[06:18:01] <leku> i agree[06:18:10] <leku> but a lot of websites use it[06:18:28] <geist> well, those websites dont get my patronage[06:18:30] <Tsyesika> the only place i really use it is youtube and iplayer (BBC UK only thing)[06:18:48] <Tsyesika> youtube has html5 now (haiku doesn't but i can live with youtube-dl script)[06:19:02] <Tsyesika> erm bbc there is get_iplayer which i have yet to try to be honest, i mainly just watch them on my phone[06:19:46] <leku> you'd think that if you had flash support on haiku[06:19:57] <leku> there probably wouldn't be a lo tof pple writing exploits taht targetted it[06:20:19] <Tsyesika> still you're opening up holes for me it's not about who targets them, it's about them being there[06:20:35] <leku> i run flash everyday without fear[06:20:36] <Tsyesika> erm but honestly, I don't want flash for the other reasons i mentioned too[06:20:49] <leku> my modern web-browser sandboxes that piece of shit just fine for me[06:21:04] <leku> and my add-ons for said web browser block all the annoying flash ads[06:21:12] <Tsyesika> there have been cases it breaks out of the sandboxes put in place[06:21:17] <leku> in chrome?[06:21:18] <Tsyesika> and like i said tracking cookies and RAM/CPU[06:21:52] <Tsyesika> I can't recall, i get all my security news from steve gibbson on security now http://grc.com/sn[06:22:08] <leku> lol[06:22:27] <Tsyesika> why lol?[06:22:54] <leku> his website is very LOL[06:23:04] <Tsyesika> is it? it's got some awesome stuff on it[06:23:38] <leku> you can't see his graphics in your web browser either?[06:23:40] <dreamed> yeah, the 1990s called - they want their web design back[06:23:47] <leku> hehe[06:23:56] <dreamed> (they can have it, for the record)[06:24:00] <Tsyesika> :P I'm a fan of simplistic websites[06:24:03] <leku> there are probably better places to get your security news[06:24:05] <leku> but anyways[06:24:39] <leku> there have been flaws in everything[06:24:49] <leku> the important thing is, what do companies and engineers do to fix them[06:24:49] <Tsyesika> so many websites today just shove them fulllll of graphics make it slow as anything to load and have like JS just to make the menu and js over kill and pulling from like 10 different sites[06:25:11] <leku> http://monkey.org/~jose/secblogs.html[06:25:19] <leku> that is a decent place for security news[06:25:23] <Tsyesika> leku there have been flaws in everything but it doesn't mean you should assume o well i might as well forget about trying to protect myself[06:25:26] <leku> by someone who knows about security[06:25:37] <Tsyesika> how does steve gibbson not know about security[06:25:43] <leku> who the hell is steve gibbson?[06:25:52] <Tsyesika> go look him up, he's got a wiki page[06:26:12] <leku> nope[06:26:17] <Tsyesika> nope what?[06:26:22] <leku> no steve gibbson[06:26:36] <Tsyesika> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Gibson_(computer_programmer)[06:26:43] <dreamed> a website doesn't need to be bloated to still be decent[06:26:53] <dreamed> but it also doesn't need to look like someone last updated it in 1995[06:27:01] <dreamed> because seriously[06:27:03] <dreamed> default html[06:27:08] <dreamed> massive banner[06:27:09] <Tsyesika> dreamed i like his website deisng[06:27:11] <Tsyesika> *design[06:27:15] <dreamed> lacks credibility[06:27:21] <Tsyesika> and I'm sure some designs you like i dislike[06:27:24] <Tsyesika> it's about taste i think[06:27:35] <dreamed> his website shows no effort, is the problem[06:27:47] <dreamed> now, that's not necessarily a reason to disregard his work[06:27:51] <Tsyesika> he puts the effort into the content[06:27:54] <dreamed> but it's not hard to have a decent website[06:27:58] <dreamed> really not hard[06:28:01] <leku> :)[06:28:02] <Tsyesika> well i like his website[06:28:05] <Tsyesika> it's clear[06:28:13] <Tsyesika> it doesn't need js to navigate it[06:28:16] <Tsyesika> it's just lovely[06:28:25] <Tsyesika> personally i think it looks okay too[06:28:26] <dreamed> decent website != js/flash/bloat[06:28:35] <dreamed> I'd just like it to not use default html2[06:28:48] <dreamed> or at least[06:28:53] <dreamed> have non default colours[06:29:01] * Tsyesika shrugs :P I like it[06:29:02] <leku> it is pretty bad[06:29:06] <leku> but whatever[06:29:20] <dreamed> actually I do have more of an issue with the colours[06:29:22] <Tsyesika> i doubt i'm the only one too[06:29:25] <dreamed> he's got the same colour for links as plain text[06:29:28] <dreamed> bad usability design[06:29:38] <leku> i can't imagine the guy has a huge following[06:29:46] <Tsyesika> he has a massive following[06:29:49] <Tsyesika> massive[06:29:51] <dreamed> oh hmm actually those aren't even clickable[06:29:53] <dreamed> only the icons are[06:30:01] <dreamed> paris hilton has a massive following[06:30:02] <leku> massive[06:30:06] <leku> loll[06:30:07] <Tsyesika> well not that massive dreamed[06:30:16] <leku> it is most massive[06:30:24] <dreamed> I'll take your word for it that he's good at what he does[06:30:30] <Tsyesika> okay :P[06:30:35] <leku> he wrote some silly tool in ASM[06:30:43] <leku> and tried to profit off the work of djb[06:30:52] <dreamed> but it's not something that looks remotely professional[06:30:52] <Tsyesika> he programs everything pretty much in asm[06:31:16] <CIA-58> haiku.r1alpha4: nielx * hrevr1alpha4-44575 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=eba887e : Update translations from Pootle[06:31:27] <leku> to each their own I guess[06:31:28] <Tsyesika> anyway i think we deviated quite a lot from the topic[06:31:34] <leku> I would write everything in lisp personally :P[06:31:49] <Tsyesika> go for it[06:32:01] <Tsyesika> lisp is a fun language[06:33:40] *** Spacewalker has joined #haiku[06:33:40] *** Spacewalker has joined #haiku[06:36:37] * Tsyesika yawns[06:38:15] *** ddavid123 has joined #haiku[06:46:27] *** ddavid123 has left #haiku[06:49:24] *** Spacewalker has quit IRC[06:49:56] <Tsyesika> humph I can't get Vision to compile[06:50:04] *** ismd has quit IRC[06:54:45] <leku> is there a way to select all text ?[06:54:47] <leku> like crl-a[06:54:50] <leku> or ctrl u even[06:55:36] <jstressman> alt-a[06:55:38] <Tsyesika> alt-a[06:55:48] <Tsyesika> leku assume alt as control like copy is alt-c[06:55:50] <jstressman> Haiku by default uses alt instead of ctrl.[06:56:05] <jstressman> you can go into keyboard settings and switch it to "linux/windows style" if you want.[06:56:16] <jstressman> so copy would be ctrl-c etc.[06:56:17] <Tsyesika> jstressman I assume this is from BeOS?[06:56:18] <leku> ah shit[06:56:25] <jstressman> Tsyesika: yes, as far as I know.[06:56:28] <Tsyesika> cool[06:56:41] <Tsyesika> I know mac uses cmd which is where alt is for linux/windows users[06:56:52] <jstressman> I'm not terribly fond of it myself, but you won't get far arguing about it with the developers. ;)[06:57:07] <dreamed> option/alt is to the left of cmd, but to the right of ctrl[06:57:26] <dreamed> cmd+key is nice[06:57:30] <dreamed> option+key is okay[06:57:33] <dreamed> ctrl+key is more annoying[06:57:45] <Tsyesika> jstressman I've got use to it :P[06:57:59] <Tsyesika> i end up going to linux machines and be like why can't i use this!![06:57:59] <Tsyesika> :P[06:58:05] <Tsyesika> getting all muddled up[06:58:10] <leku> can't find it in keyboard settings[06:58:12] <dreamed> I have the same thing with apple's new inverted scrolling[06:58:19] <dreamed> especially going to my other mac which doesn't have mountain lion[06:58:27] <dreamed> keep scrolling up instead of down :P[06:58:42] <Tsyesika> xD it's annoying getting use to something and have it change on you :P[06:58:43] <jstressman> http://www.haiku-os.org/docs/userguide/en/preferences/keymap.html[06:58:45] <jstressman> keymap.[06:58:46] <jstressman> sorry.[06:59:03] <leku> is there a way to just search for that[06:59:06] <leku> in the desktop?[06:59:09] <leku> i thuoght you could search fora nything[06:59:50] <jstressman> alt-f -> keymap ?[06:59:56] <jstressman> or just "key" ? :P[07:00:02] <jstressman> not sure. I'm not in Haiku at the moment.[07:01:08] <Tsyesika> leku feather thing -> Settings -> keymap -> switch shortcut keys to Windows/Linux mode[07:01:19] <Tsyesika> not settings preferences[07:01:23] <Tsyesika> yeh :)[07:02:14] <leku> ty[07:02:18] <Tsyesika> no worries :)[07:02:57] <Tsyesika> humph I'm trying to compile vision but it won't give me an error :P It just tells me it has errored[07:15:01] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[07:15:29] <HaikuUser> ?[07:15:44] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[07:17:14] <dreamed> ?[07:17:54] <Tsyesika> useful[07:19:09] <jstressman> I wish they'd fix the menu leaf. being blue and ambiguous sucks. :)[07:19:36] <jstressman> (and I don't care about any "but we're used to it" or "but it's unique!" arguments. it's bad design. it should be fixed.)[07:19:38] <Tsyesika> what do you want them to put there[07:19:56] <Tsyesika> if there is something better i don't see why not :P[07:20:03] <jstressman> a green leaf that actually fits the Haiku color scheme and, more importantly, looks like a leaf, which is what it is.[07:20:19] <jstressman> or yellow, or orange.[07:20:23] <jstressman> but not blue. :P[07:20:27] <Tsyesika> no :P[07:20:36] <Tsyesika> yellow or orange would not be better[07:21:05] <dreamed> I found it fairly obvious to use[07:21:13] <dreamed> what don't you like about it other than the colour?[07:21:25] <dreamed> what I didn't find obvious was how you resize the deskbar :P[07:21:30] <Tsyesika> blue just fits with the rest of the system[07:21:40] <Tsyesika> i think[07:21:44] <Tsyesika> actually i donno why i think that[07:21:49] <Tsyesika> nothing is blue[07:21:49] <dreamed> blue doesn't fit with anything other than the wallpaper, but that's not a reason to not use it[07:22:12] <Tsyesika> mm i just realised that[07:22:21] <Tsyesika> for some reason i had blue in my head as the system colour[07:24:17] <Tsyesika> i donno it looks right :P[07:24:20] <Tsyesika> I donno why it just does[07:24:43] *** Beretta021 has quit IRC[07:26:18] *** Beretta021 has joined #haiku[07:27:45] * dreamed prods jstressman[07:27:54] <dreamed> tell me again why you dislike it[07:34:25] <jstressman> hrm?[07:34:30] <jstressman> sorry... was fixing it in a mockup. :D[07:34:53] <jstressman> simple. leaves aren't blue.[07:34:57] *** vezhlys has quit IRC[07:35:12] <jstressman> so most people confusing it for a feather because of its color and semi ambiguous shape is a bad thing.[07:35:16] <jstressman> that's just poor design.[07:35:33] <jstressman> Haiku uses leaves. Specifically green, yellow, and orange leaves... like fall colors...[07:35:38] <Tsyesika> ooo it does look like a feather tbh[07:35:40] <jstressman> not alien blue feather/leaf things.[07:35:51] <Tsyesika> i wasn't aware it was meant to be a leaf tho?[07:35:54] <jstressman> it is.[07:35:57] <jstressman> just like the Haiku logo.[07:36:02] <Tsyesika> ohh I see[07:36:10] <Tsyesika> what significance do leaves have?[07:36:51] <jstressman> being all zen and peaceful like nature.. :P[07:37:08] <jstressman> I think back in the day they were in fact inspired by feathers... from an adobe logo or something. ;)[07:37:14] <jstressman> but were changed specifically to be leaves.[07:37:30] <Tsyesika> righttt[07:37:32] <Tsyesika> okay[07:37:55] <jstressman> http://www.haiku-os.org/files/images/gci-screenshot.png <-- Leaves screensaver. ;)[07:38:09] <Tsyesika> leaf![07:38:46] <Tsyesika> you know zen buddests sometimes rake sand ...[07:38:54] <Tsyesika> for like meditation stuff[07:40:47] <jstressman> https://www.haiku-os.org/blog/koki/2009-11-25_what_do_you_know_about_haiku_logo[07:41:27] <Tsyesika> grrr why does nothing compile for me[07:41:30] <Tsyesika> am i missing a trick[07:42:31] <Tsyesika> caya seems to only compile under gcc2, Vision errors but won't say why under gcc2 and won't link because of llocale under gcc4, caya fails to link to expat under gcc4[07:44:02] *** amigamia has joined #haiku[07:46:39] <arfonzo> morning all.[07:46:47] <Tsyesika> morning[07:47:44] <jstressman> morning :)[07:47:55] <Tsyesika> i never found compiling something so difficult >.< xD[07:48:48] <arfonzo> how's things?[07:48:59] <Tsyesika> who you asking :P[07:49:13] <arfonzo> everyone.[07:49:19] <Tsyesika> i'm good just flustrated[07:49:20] <Tsyesika> you?[07:51:04] <arfonzo> I'm well, thanks. Early here... might try to huild the latest nightly before I've got to start work.[07:51:39] <Tsyesika> I'm wanting to build newer verions of caya, vision, you know some of the software but it's driving me insane doing so[07:58:13] *** Tsyesika has quit IRC[07:58:51] *** Tsyesika has joined #haiku[08:01:54] <arfonzo> Tsyesika: you could ask with specific errors/messages in here or on the dev ML. Chances are someone knows about your issues.[08:02:22] <Tsyesika> I got Vision compiled .. the latest[08:02:27] <Tsyesika> :)[08:02:41] <Tsyesika> arfonzo I'm thinking of hosting nightly (ish) versions of these for those who wish[08:09:43] *** XenoDuck has quit IRC[08:10:14] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[08:10:33] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[08:21:38] *** Tsyesika has quit IRC[08:21:57] *** Tsyesika has joined #haiku[08:22:39] *** volci has quit IRC[08:37:03] <jstressman> Tsyesika: awesome. any luck with Caya?[08:37:15] <Tsyesika> yep[08:37:16] <Tsyesika> compiled it[08:37:31] <Tsyesika> jstressman i had to alter the jam files Caya and the make files for Vision[08:37:35] <Tsyesika> but got both compiled[08:38:01] *** _marc` has quit IRC[08:41:01] <jstressman> Tsyesika: could you submit updated bep files for Haiku Ports?[08:41:02] <jstressman> http://ports.haiku-files.org/browser//haikuports/trunk/haiku-apps/caya?rev=1891[08:41:08] <jstressman> http://ports.haiku-files.org/browser//haikuports/trunk/haiku-apps/vision?rev=1891[08:41:21] <Tsyesika> I could[08:41:28] <Tsyesika> jstressman I am finding the latest caya very unstable[08:42:10] <Tsyesika> jstressman i'm hoping to try and fix some of the bugs and submit patches[08:44:32] <Tsyesika> Vision seems pretty solid tho which is nice[08:44:55] <Tsyesika> i have to admit i haven't a clue what a bep file is[08:45:31] <jstressman> awesome[08:45:45] <jstressman> Tsyesika: the bep file is basically just a file that says how to build the source.[08:45:54] <Tsyesika> like ebuild files[08:46:29] <jstressman> http://ports.haiku-files.org/wiki/BepFile[08:46:57] <Tsyesika> jstressman bookmarked :) I haven't slept in quite some time so I don't think i'll do that now[08:47:08] <jstressman> I just started by looking at existing bep files, and modifying them as I needed... checking the wiki page for specifics. :P[08:47:11] <jstressman> no problem. ^_^[08:47:23] <jstressman> I know how it is. ;)[08:47:28] <Tsyesika> :) sounds good I don't see why I couldn't do that[08:47:33] <Tsyesika> I wanna help haiku in anyway i can[08:47:41] <jstressman> that would be great.[08:48:04] <jstressman> I'm the same way... but I'm much less of a programmer, so I have to find other ways to be helpful. :P[08:48:34] <Tsyesika> hehe well my C++ is a bit iffy :P I need to strengthen that skill before I really do much with Cayay[08:48:36] <Tsyesika> *Caya[08:48:49] <Tsyesika> jstressman I'm hopefully doing some translations which is good :)[08:49:41] <jstressman> :D[08:50:15] <Tsyesika> jstressman I just worry in 2 - 3 weeks when university starts again i'll be hit with a massive time reduction[08:50:23] <jstressman> yeah :([08:50:36] <jstressman> well, poke at it as time allows I suppose. :)[08:51:03] <jstressman> I'm not going to have much time myself soon... I need to get back to work on a major upgrade for the site I work for.[08:51:36] <jstressman> I tend to have trouble multi-tasking... so it's one big thing at a time... Haiku, language study, web development... pick one and only one. ;) hehe[08:52:16] <Tsyesika> :P[08:57:39] *** letharion has quit IRC[09:02:56] *** letharion has joined #haiku[09:04:32] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[09:11:34] <Tsyesika> for anyone who wants it until i can decide what to do properly and work out these bep files the Vision 0.9.8 is at http://tsyesika.co.uk/u/Haiku (gcc4)[09:11:59] <leku> so[09:12:09] <leku> has anyone heard of this operating system called LoseThos?[09:12:14] <Tsyesika> nope[09:12:18] <leku> the author commented on the haiku story on /.[09:12:37] <leku> 135k lines, 9 years lifes work, OSS, and no wiki page[09:12:43] <leku> losethos.com[09:12:52] <Tsyesika> is that the guy who made the OS because god tol dhim to?[09:12:56] <leku> has a bunch of links to weird youtube videos of his compositions of religous tunes[09:12:56] <Tsyesika> *told him to[09:13:05] *** johnny_b has joined #haiku[09:13:05] <leku> made with some shitty 8bit sound editor or something[09:13:07] <Tsyesika> in that case I do know about it :P[09:13:08] <Tsyesika> yeh[09:13:09] <leku> hah[09:13:12] <Tsyesika> i have seen that OS[09:13:19] <Tsyesika> god told him to write it apparently[09:13:20] <leku> he made it cuz god told him??[09:13:23] <leku> OMG[09:13:24] <Tsyesika> yeh[09:13:27] <leku> this guy is another reiser[09:13:34] <Tsyesika> be respectful[09:13:36] <leku> haha[09:13:44] <leku> well they're both batshit crazy[09:13:48] <Tsyesika> =/[09:13:54] <leku> and obviously pretty smart[09:13:55] <Tsyesika> just because they don't believe what you do[09:14:05] <jstressman> is that a joke?[09:14:10] <jstressman> losethos.com ?[09:14:12] <leku> haha[09:14:14] <leku> nope[09:14:19] <leku> lool[09:14:58] <jstressman> you mean because they're delusional? :D haha[09:15:13] <leku> yeah[09:15:20] <Tsyesika> =/[09:15:27] <jstressman> sorry, I have no respect for adults with imaginary friends. I might feel sorry for them, but I don't respect them as rational people.[09:15:39] <leku> same[09:15:58] <Tsyesika> he isn't harming anyone so i don't see why we shouldn't respect what he believes[09:16:01] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,[09:16:07] <Tsyesika> as far as i know he's not asking others to believe it[09:16:16] <jstressman> because I don't respect crazy people, whether or not they're directly harming other people.[09:16:16] <leku> Autocomplete typing aid known as "WordStat" which remembers source code locations of items and uses statistics to predictively complete words and symbols. Build glossaries and jump to words or symbol's source code for items under the cursor.[09:16:26] <leku> um[09:16:33] <leku> i wasn't knocking his belief system[09:16:38] <leku> the guy is schizo[09:16:41] <jstressman> I am. ;)[09:17:07] <jstressman> he might be a very nice guy... it's his belief system specifically that I have a problem with.[09:17:24] <jstressman> belief systems can make otherwise wonderful people do very bad things.[09:17:38] <Tsyesika> and visa versa[09:17:48] <jstressman> "oh, I believe that killing my son is a great idea because my invisible friend told me to!" (Abraham regarding Isaac)[09:17:49] <jstressman> ;)[09:18:41] <leku> or hey i have to kill my wife because she wants to harm my children?[09:19:01] <jstressman> please tell me you're not using the tired cliche of "religion helps bad people be good, thus you shouldn't criticize it."[09:19:42] <jstressman> we should criticize it precisely because it's provably absurd nonsense, and that when believed and not questioned en masse, it leads societies to oppress others, suppress human progress, etc. (the Abrahamic religions at least)[09:19:46] <Tsyesika> jstressman no i'm saying if they don't try and force it onto you and if they're not harming anyone, we as decent people should respect it[09:20:13] <jstressman> generally no other major religions come remotely close to the barbarism and commandments to oppress and kill others that the Abrahamic faiths do. (Judaism, Christianity, Islam... and even Mormonism etc..)[09:20:17] <Tsyesika> science also hasn't proved god(s)/goddess(es) does or does not exist[09:20:24] <leku> abrahamic faiths[09:20:25] <leku> interesting[09:20:35] <jstressman> It has soundly proven the claims of Christianity false.[09:20:35] <leku> it hasn't proved god doesn't exist?[09:20:42] <leku> who has proven it then?[09:20:57] <leku> so by that rationale[09:20:59] <Tsyesika> jstressman christianity isn't all religions[09:21:01] <leku> are we to also believe that Xenu exists?[09:21:05] <jstressman> there is a fundamental difference between saying there might be a vague, undefined "higher power", and specifically claiming that the Judeo-Christian mythos is factually true as written.[09:21:08] <leku> because we can't prove otherwise?[09:21:46] <Tsyesika> just to point this out... science doesn't prove[09:21:48] <Tsyesika> it only disproves[09:23:08] <leku> so you believe in scientology?[09:23:10] <Tsyesika> nope[09:23:18] <Tsyesika> leku by the way i'm a chemist[09:23:24] <Tsyesika> studying a masters in chemistry at university[09:23:44] <jstressman> Tsyesika: do you believe that Christianity is true?[09:23:48] <Tsyesika> no[09:23:52] <jstressman> why not?[09:23:58] <leku> jstressman i think he is trying to say that[09:23:58] <leku> or she[09:24:03] <Tsyesika> she[09:24:06] <leku> believes it is ones choice to believe in what they want[09:24:08] <leku> and i agree[09:24:11] <leku> even if it is batshit crazy[09:24:11] <Tsyesika> jstressman I just don't[09:24:17] <Tsyesika> it doesn't make any sense[09:24:20] <jstressman> yes, it's your choice. But I don't need to respect it.[09:24:26] <Tsyesika> but it doesn't mean i don't respect those who do[09:24:50] <jstressman> I have zero obligation to have any other feelings than pity and/or contempt for irrational nutjobs.... especially those who share a belief system that does very real harm to other human beings and to human progress in general.[09:25:03] <geist> go go bill nye![09:25:17] <jstressman> I don't advocate harm against them or anything... or trying to prevent them from being idiots...[09:25:28] <leku> 90% of the world believes in a god[09:25:36] <jstressman> but I certainly don't respect them. (and there's a big difference between respecting their right to believe, and respecting their actual beliefs)[09:25:45] <jstressman> leku: fallacious argumentum ad populum.[09:25:46] <leku> you think the world is crazy?[09:25:50] <geist> mostly[09:25:50] <leku> </contact>[09:25:55] <Tsyesika> it would be better to say 90% of the world are theists but where is this statistic coming from[09:26:01] <jstressman> it doesn't matter if 99.9 believe it. It's either true or false based on the actual evidence and sound reasoning etc.[09:26:05] <leku> easy on the latin ok[09:26:13] <Tsyesika> it's also english[09:26:17] <leku> it came from the movie contact :)[09:26:24] <jstressman> and by those measures, it's ridiculous and provably false beyond any reasonable doubt generally speaking (depending on the religion)[09:26:36] <jstressman> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum[09:26:54] <geist> right, i take issue with the 90% in god statement. what Tsyesika said, theists[09:26:54] <jstressman> I think most of the world is ignorant and credulous.[09:27:26] <Tsyesika> i still don't know where this 90% figure is coming from[09:27:31] <leku> i told you[09:27:31] <geist> right[09:27:41] <Tsyesika> i'm not saying it's wrong, just i'd like to see proper referrences :P[09:27:46] <leku> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contact_(film)[09:27:54] <Tsyesika> damn it Vision breaks links[09:27:56] <jstressman> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_demographics#Religion ?[09:28:01] <leku> it's a 3 hour long movie[09:28:05] <geist> right, it doesn't even make sense, since at least a good chunk are followers in religions that have no god[09:28:05] <leku> hopefully you odn't need a flash player to watch it[09:28:18] <geist> at least more than 10%[09:28:30] <Tsyesika> leku buddism has no god too[09:28:34] <jstressman> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_religious_populations[09:28:37] <jstressman> that says 93.5%[09:28:39] <Tsyesika> i meant geist[09:28:44] <geist> that's what i mean[09:28:52] <geist> and they have at least a decent chunk[09:28:54] <jstressman> although I'd have to disagree...[09:29:13] <kcj> This LoseThos thing is hilarious.[09:29:15] <jstressman> since I'm guessing they're going by things like church membership, or household identifiers etc...[09:29:23] <Tsyesika> I don't know how I managed to turn this into a religious debate[09:29:37] <Tsyesika> jstressman census?[09:29:38] <jstressman> like some claim that Norway is like 90% Christian, when really like 90% are self identified atheists/nonbelievers etc.[09:29:42] <Tsyesika> most countries publish the data[09:29:44] <geist> jstressman: it also has 16% as 'non religious'[09:29:46] <leku> Ellie Arroway: Why did you do it?[09:29:46] <leku> Palmer Joss: Our job was to select someone to speak for everybody. And I just couldn't in good conscience vote for a person who doesn't believe in God. Someone who honestly thinks the other ninety five percent of us suffer from some form of mass de[09:29:47] <leku> Ellie Arroway: I told the truth up there. And Drumlin told you exactly what you wanted to hear.[09:29:58] <geist> i think the 93.5 percent is more like 'number of population that has reported something'[09:30:03] <leku> (mass delusion)[09:30:07] <jstressman> but I'm fine with the numbers either way in the end... because popularity of stupid beliefs doesn't make them true.[09:30:18] <geist> yah, just shows you what you're up against[09:30:35] <geist> and anyway, a good chunk of religious stuff is not that threatening. it's just the nutjobs[09:30:39] <geist> which our coutnry seems to have a lot of[09:30:43] <jstressman> sorry, like I said... I respect a person's right to be an idiot. I don't respect their idiotic beliefs, or even them as an idiotic person.[09:30:46] <leku> geist where u at?[09:30:49] <Tsyesika> i don't see why anyone has to be against religion "up against" unless they're trying to shove it down your throat why not just respect and let them be[09:30:51] <geist> US[09:30:55] <jstressman> respecting one's rights entails ZERO obligation to do the other things.[09:30:56] <leku> same[09:31:24] <Tsyesika> when they start pushing it on you and it starts having an actual impact on your life then I see it being an issue[09:31:29] <geist> exactly[09:31:35] <jstressman> Americans who are non-religious tend to be touchier about religion than people from more secular and less zealous countries.[09:31:37] <Tsyesika> but until then, respect them and let it be[09:31:54] <geist> right, i'd attest to that[09:31:58] <jstressman> they don't see more of the direct social harms that come from religiosity in action (again, Abrahamic).[09:31:58] *** Jessica_lily has quit IRC[09:32:01] <Tsyesika> I'm not american just to clarify if it has any relivance here[09:32:06] <geist> though i live in a mostly non religious area, which is great, i grew up in texas[09:32:12] <geist> so, uh, that was pretty bad[09:32:38] <jstressman> they vote en masse here in the US to ban gay rights, scientific research, medical advances, women's rights, education in the classrooms, etc.[09:32:48] <geist> yep. pretty fucked up[09:32:53] <jstressman> these are very real things that happen because of their religious beliefs directly.[09:33:00] <geist> hence why is non religious folsk tend to get touchy[09:33:07] <Tsyesika> not all religions though[09:33:19] <jstressman> and if you ask them, they'll justify their actions by citing God as justification. "God says so!"[09:33:23] <jstressman> again, Abrahamic.[09:33:24] <Tsyesika> and not all people who are part of those religions[09:33:37] <geist> yah, it's a vocal minority manipulating the majority[09:33:37] <leku> hahash[09:33:39] <Tsyesika> I know a christian who is happy for gay marray to be a thing she just doesn't want to marry another woman[09:33:40] <jstressman> I specifically loathe the Abrahamic religions. I have almost no problem with eastern religions.[09:33:44] <leku> god told this guy to make it 640x480x4bit[09:33:49] <jstressman> eastern religions don't command people to kill other people.[09:33:52] <jstressman> or to force convert them, etc.[09:33:57] <jstressman> ALL of the Abrahamic ones do.[09:34:14] <geist> that was their trick[09:34:16] <jstressman> Tsyesika: if they're pro gay marriage, then they're against the Bible.[09:34:39] <jstressman> just because they're ignorant of their own religion doesn't make their religion ok, or them less ignorant (and still wrong for believing in fairytales).[09:34:40] <Tsyesika> jstressman I have issue when they are abusing people in the name of god and such but there are many religious people who simply follow it and respect others[09:34:41] <geist> from a religious evolutionary thing they figured out how to come up with a system that works better. convert or kill the others[09:35:11] <jstressman> Tsyesika: the bible specifically commands them to abuse those people. anyone who doesn't is not actually obeying their religion.[09:35:14] <jstressman> that makes them good people.[09:35:19] <jstressman> but bad members of their faith.[09:35:30] <jstressman> which is fine by me... it's a step in the right direction.[09:35:34] <Tsyesika> she clearly inteprets it differently, maybe she thinks times have changed[09:35:36] <geist> whihc to be completely fair, most followers are good people[09:35:43] <jstressman> but again, that has nothing to do with pardoning the problems with the religion itself.[09:35:48] <Tsyesika> jstressman but that is just christianity, christianity is not the only religion[09:35:49] <geist> you just hear the vocal minority[09:36:06] <jstressman> Tsyesika: you're only talking about Christians thus far as far as I can tell.[09:36:16] <jstressman> so quit pretending the rest has relevance. I already addressed that point.[09:36:25] <geist> in the us they dont, at least[09:36:30] <jstressman> neither you nor I live in countries that have any predominant population OTHER than Christian.[09:36:37] <Tsyesika> jstressman my inital point was respect peoples beliefs on the provision that they don't harm anyone or force it on you[09:36:38] <leku> this guy has been locked up in a mental hospital over 10 times[09:36:39] <geist> if you're not christian, you'd better keep your head down, at least in public life[09:36:41] <leku> (losethos)[09:36:50] <jstressman> CHRISTIANITY DOES HARM OTHERS.[09:36:50] <geist> leku: oh that guy. yeah, it's totally insane[09:36:52] <jstressman> As does Islam.[09:37:00] <jstressman> and it HAS been forced on me personally.[09:37:00] <Tsyesika> jstressman that doesn't mean I don't know many people who belong to many religions[09:37:12] <jstressman> I was a Christian and youth minister for over 20 years.[09:37:14] <Tsyesika> you have no idea what i believe if i believe anything[09:37:19] <geist> i think you may be preaching to the choir here[09:37:20] <jstressman> I'm intimately familiar with the faith.[09:38:30] <Tsyesika> so you may so i'm speaking solely on christianity, respect any persons belief system whether it's scientific method, christianity, athism, islam, buddism, paganistic, O.T.O, etc...[09:38:31] <jstressman> 1) I respect people's rights. I don't have to respect them or their beliefs. These are different uses of the word "respect". Please check your dictionary.[09:38:49] <Tsyesika> on the provision it doesn't harm anyone and they don't push it on you or others[09:38:53] <jstressman> 2) religion does teach irrationality. That's not good. The Abrahamic religions specifically DO harm LOTS of people.[09:39:32] <jstressman> 3) it doesn't matter if SOME or even MOST believers are generally nice people. Their religions are still irrational, the and the Abrahamic ones still HARMFUL.[09:39:50] <geist> well, sounds like you got it buttoned up. moving on...[09:39:50] <Tsyesika> and some religions aren't harmful[09:40:04] <Tsyesika> i made my point[09:40:07] <jstressman> go back and read what I said. I already said that. :)[09:40:11] *** _marc` has joined #haiku[09:40:19] <jstressman> geist: I'm done. ^_^[09:40:21] <Tsyesika> if you're saying it's harming someone then i clearly didn't ask you to respect the person who is causing the harm[09:40:38] <Tsyesika> because that violates one of the two requirements[09:40:46] <Tsyesika> respect the belief not the person[09:41:00] <jstressman> respect the right to hold that belief. not the belief itself.[09:41:07] <jstressman> that's one of your errors in reasoning right there.[09:41:11] <jstressman> you keep messing that point up.[09:41:35] <leku> http://pastebin.com/68Rif0mv[09:41:35] <Tsyesika> no i mean respecting their belief, the person is a given[09:41:40] <jstressman> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/respect?s=t[09:41:45] <jstressman> read numbers 3 and 4 on there.[09:41:50] <jstressman> and note carefully the difference between the two.[09:41:51] <jstressman> thank you.[09:41:58] <geist> leku: heh, he has some videos you know[09:42:05] <geist> he wrote some insane os, which was actually kind of nifty[09:42:06] <geist> but insane[09:42:23] <geist> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAr-xYtBFbY and friends[09:42:32] <geist> it's actually kind of nifty. has some interesting ideas[09:44:31] <jessicah> :o[09:44:32] <Tsyesika> jstressman what other programs should i compile?[09:45:09] <jessicah> 19:07 <@geist> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAr-xYtBFbY and friends[09:45:22] <jessicah> buh, silly kittens[09:45:54] <geist> yeah, if you listen to that long enough i think you'll go insane[09:46:00] <geist> like listenign to hours of Wesley Willis[09:46:22] <jessicah> he speaks funny[09:47:00] <Tsyesika> :P[09:47:04] <leku> so i guess there is another person[09:47:06] <leku> also crazy[09:47:09] <leku> http://pastebin.com/68Rif0mv[09:47:15] <jstressman> Tsyesika: um.... :F good question. Those were two good ones you did already...[09:47:18] <leku> oops[09:47:21] <leku> ulillillia[09:47:22] <leku> is the person[09:47:24] <jstressman> they're main Haiku programs that aren't actually part of Haiku.[09:47:30] <jstressman> what other programs like that are there?[09:47:36] <leku> i saw the video gesit[09:47:38] <Tsyesika> errr :P[09:47:40] <jstressman> that aren't quite up to date, and are in need of attention?[09:47:46] <Tsyesika> jstressman i did the ones i wanted which weren't up to date[09:48:59] <jessicah> wah, i'm tired[09:49:56] <Tsyesika> jessicah early night again:/[09:49:57] <Tsyesika> ?[09:50:03] <jessicah> i wonder if cl-amp still works[09:50:07] <Tsyesika> (not meant to be a :/ face)[09:50:11] <Tsyesika> cl-amp?[09:50:22] <jessicah> winamp clone for beos[09:50:27] <jessicah> it's what i used to use[09:50:27] <Tsyesika> ooo[09:50:29] <Tsyesika> i wanna check it out[09:50:51] <jstressman> any reason to use it over MediaPlayer? (streaming maybe? more formats supported?)[09:50:56] <Tsyesika> hmm[09:51:02] <jstressman> I haven't used it... (but I still use Winamp on Windows) ^_^[09:51:08] <Tsyesika> you know a link?[09:51:13] <Tsyesika> i am getting a lot of[09:51:16] <jessicah> back in the days when practically the entire system can die, but it'd keep on playing my music[09:51:18] <Tsyesika> results about clamsp[09:51:21] <Tsyesika> *clamps[09:51:23] <jessicah> does MediaPlayer support playlists?[09:51:34] <Tsyesika> jessicah yeh[09:51:50] <jessicah> does it support queries?[09:52:01] <Tsyesika> errmm[09:52:02] <jstressman> http://www.bebits.com/app/52[09:52:12] <Tsyesika> not sure[09:52:16] <jstressman> some additional stuff here: http://www.bebits.com/browse/111[09:53:14] <jstressman> I'd rather see MediaPlayer improved (and kept lean and clean) than see multiple apps to do generally the same thing.[09:53:24] <jstressman> that's kind of the Haiku philosophy.[09:53:32] <Tsyesika> yeh same[09:53:33] <Tsyesika> :)[09:53:45] <jessicah> err, i was more interested to see if it ran to see if audio apis were compatible[09:54:11] <Tsyesika> jessicah o man tha is ugly[09:54:24] <Tsyesika> *that[09:54:49] <Tsyesika> i have no audio files :P[09:54:51] <Tsyesika> this is rubbish[09:54:56] <jstressman> hahaha[09:55:16] <Tsyesika> i have one on one of my servers somewhere[09:55:22] <Tsyesika> i use to use it to test sound[09:55:34] <Tsyesika> WOOT[09:55:39] <Tsyesika> got it[09:55:47] <jstressman> http://www.miaowmusic.com/[09:55:50] <jstressman> free mp3s on there.[09:55:51] <Tsyesika> got one :P[09:55:58] <Tsyesika> it's a good one too[09:56:28] <Tsyesika> jessicah it works[09:56:30] <Tsyesika> i'm playing it[09:56:30] <Tsyesika> :)[09:56:40] <jessicah> wow, that's cool[09:56:46] <Tsyesika> yerp :)[09:56:53] <geist> you know what i like? the consistency of vodka if you pour it after being in the freezer[09:57:08] <geist> it's slightly thicker than water when it's below the water freezing point[09:57:16] <jessicah> can't say i've tried freezing vodka...[09:57:28] <geist> i usually keep the bottle in the freezer[09:57:51] <geist> the real freezing poitn is somewhat below 0C, usually your house freezer wont get it[09:58:08] <Tsyesika> i'll take it into my uni :P[09:58:12] <Tsyesika> freeze it there[09:58:16] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[09:58:18] <geist> according to the net, the approximate freezing point of vodka is -26.95C[09:58:22] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[09:58:22] *** JsobCloud_ is now known as JsobCloud[09:58:26] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[09:58:30] <geist> 80 proof[09:59:01] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[09:59:02] <jessicah> what brand of vodka do you drink?[09:59:03] <geist> ah pure ethanol freezes at -114.cC[09:59:08] <Tsyesika> :P[09:59:32] <leku> breckenridge vodka[09:59:33] <Tsyesika> I should just decant some ethanol for parties when i have labs[09:59:35] <Tsyesika> xD[09:59:47] <geist> for good stuff i keep a bottle of grey goose, but i usually use ketel one for day to day stuff[09:59:55] <jessicah> i've yet to try 42 below[10:00:02] <jessicah> it's a nz product[10:00:09] <jessicah> apparently it's very good[10:00:27] <Tsyesika> i went on a 3 day house party thing just over a year ago and it kinda put me off vodka[10:00:29] <geist> one of my fave drinks i use bundaberg ginger beer[10:00:34] <geist> australia, but close[10:00:38] <Tsyesika> i hate ginger beer[10:00:38] <Tsyesika> :P[10:00:49] <geist> yeah but with vodka + lemon juice it's good[10:00:52] <geist> moscow mule[10:01:08] <Tsyesika> i don't mind vodka... i mind the state i got in from drinking it[10:01:09] <Tsyesika> :P[10:01:18] <geist> oh just dont drink too much[10:01:24] <Tsyesika> easier said than done[10:01:59] <Tsyesika> you know 0.9.8 has weird notification things when people highlight you[10:02:01] <Tsyesika> it's cool[10:02:05] <jessicah> i have a tendency to drink like a fish.... =/[10:02:36] <jessicah> drink alcohol like it's water[10:02:51] <Tsyesika> :P jessicah i'm the same[10:03:08] <jessicah> it's such a bad habit[10:03:20] <Tsyesika> not one i think i'll get out of anytime soon tho[10:04:20] <jessicah> http://www.42below.com/[10:04:40] <Tsyesika> heyy it's that guy![10:04:52] <Tsyesika> jack ass?[10:05:06] <Tsyesika> jessicah what age do you have be in NZ?[10:05:32] <Tsyesika> oohh i see i can pick UK[10:05:33] <Tsyesika> no worries[10:06:06] <Tsyesika> :'( WebPositive just keeps sending me back to age verification[10:07:11] <jessicah> 18[10:08:44] *** tracius has joined #haiku[10:11:36] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[10:11:55] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[10:15:10] *** losch has joined #haiku[10:15:28] *** losch has left #haiku[10:20:09] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[10:20:27] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[10:22:40] <leku> man[10:22:45] <leku> just spent the last hour of my life stuck in ED[10:22:51] <leku> reading about crazy fucks[10:23:49] <jessicah> :o[10:23:56] <jessicah> haiku-os.org down[10:24:30] <jessicah> oh[10:24:32] <jessicah> hmm[10:24:34] *** J-Ho has joined #haiku[10:24:44] <jessicah> weird, it redirected to https, http working[10:26:03] <Tsyesika> i was having problems with haiku-os.org earlier[10:27:19] *** MatthewH12 has quit IRC[10:34:32] *** XenoDuck has joined #haiku[10:34:48] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[10:35:07] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[10:45:17] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[10:45:35] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[10:57:44] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[10:58:03] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[10:58:48] *** diver has joined #haiku[10:59:30] *** diver has left #haiku[11:00:59] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[11:01:18] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[11:03:33] *** Negr0_VoP2P_LMin has joined #haiku[11:28:22] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[11:28:41] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[11:34:50] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[11:35:51] *** Beretta021 has quit IRC[11:37:45] *** Beretta021 has joined #haiku[11:45:41] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[11:48:28] *** Beretta021 has quit IRC[11:49:52] *** tracius has quit IRC[11:50:13] *** Beretta021 has joined #haiku[11:53:42] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[11:59:41] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[12:00:01] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[12:00:20] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[12:08:02] *** rimio has joined #haiku[12:08:14] *** leszek has joined #haiku[12:08:20] <leszek> hi[12:28:02] *** Blub\w has joined #haiku[12:30:41] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[12:31:00] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[12:32:15] <jstressman> leszek: hi :)[12:33:16] <jstressman> jessicah, Tsyesika: I was having trouble with the website too... 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it looks just a bit better thanj google translate[18:48:03] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #haiku[18:48:30] <humdinger> I think Jorma Karvonen does most of the localization.[18:48:44] <humdinger> At least he's currently very busy doing the user guide translation.[18:49:18] <nortti> strange that native finnish speaker produces so machine translate looking translation[18:49:42] *** leszek has quit IRC[18:50:23] <humdinger> nortti: you could create an account at http://i18n.haiku-os.org/pootle and suggest improvments[18:50:45] <humdinger> Or join the finnish mailinglist (I think there is one) and discuss things there.[18:50:54] <nortti> I have tried that[18:51:10] <nortti> it just doesn't work with links2[18:51:18] *** _marc` has quit IRC[18:51:22] <humdinger> Oh, I see your user name at the pootle site.[18:51:43] <humdinger> tried Web+ or Bezilla?[18:52:53] <nortti> well I don't actually have computer running haiku. I use it almost daily but I don't have computer with enough ram to use haiku[18:53:16] <nortti> my friend has it installed on his laptop[18:53:51] <nortti> wait. does it work with gecko 1.8?[18:54:06] <humdinger> no idea...[18:54:21] <nortti> bezilla uses gecko 1.8[18:54:34] *** Ingenu has joined #haiku[18:54:35] <humdinger> the pootle site doesn't play well with web+ and bezilla either... It just barely works :}[18:54:57] <nortti> but it does kinda work?[18:55:22] <humdinger> I think so. 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These chips do not function yet. Users[19:38:45] <CIA-58> would be greeted with a black screen.[19:38:45] <CIA-58> * This prevents users of these cards from having[19:38:45] <CIA-58> to boot into safe (vesa) graphics mode.[19:46:59] *** duvjones has quit IRC[19:47:08] *** _marc` has joined #haiku[19:47:27] *** happy4crazy has quit IRC[19:57:48] *** happy4crazy has joined #haiku[19:59:30] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[19:59:49] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[20:08:30] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[20:08:48] *** duvjones has joined #haiku[20:13:37] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[20:14:22] *** tqh has quit IRC[20:14:35] *** humdinger has quit IRC[20:14:56] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC[20:15:38] *** happy4crazy has quit IRC[20:17:23] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[20:17:23] *** JsobCloud_ is now known as JsobCloud[20:17:33] *** nsuperbus has quit IRC[20:18:28] *** Luko has joined #haiku[20:23:29] *** ddavid123 has quit IRC[20:26:52] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[20:33:38] <mrsun> haiku should go mediveal[20:33:45] *** tqh has joined #haiku[20:33:48] <mrsun> start a old norse translation :P[20:35:08] <zer0her0> been reading reamde, makes me think of the one character that lives in a castle and has his emails translated into "olde english" and sung to him by a bard @ dinner.[20:39:03] <mmu_man> well the theme for FHSC this summer was "cyber middle age"[20:39:14] <mmu_man> http://fhsc.lyonopenlab.net/[20:39:27] <mmu_man> http://lilegal.org/[20:44:26] *** Tsyesika has joined #haiku[20:44:41] <Tsyesika> Hmm the latest vision has a bug[20:45:04] *** happy4crazy has joined #haiku[20:46:41] <mrsun> only 1? :) time for release maybe? :P[20:46:49] <CIA-58> haiku.master: korli * hrev44589 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=17ce10a : fix libpng link introduced in 61cb4d8c6d4b2733a53c3a3f9781bc3ee7e8c4ef [2 commits][20:47:05] <Tsyesika> mrsun haha :P[20:47:07] *** alexandros_c has quit IRC[20:47:10] <Tsyesika> mrsun yeh :P[20:47:22] <mrsun> see korli fixed it[20:47:23] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[20:47:28] <mrsun> haiku is now officialy bug free[20:47:47] <Disreali> LOL![20:47:49] <mrsun> one mans bug, another mans feature ?[20:47:51] <Tsyesika> :P[20:48:10] <Tsyesika> nah Vision fails to hold connections/connect when i add a specific network[20:48:13] <Tsyesika> which is just odd[20:50:24] *** vezhlys has joined #haiku[20:51:32] *** pulkomandy has quit IRC[21:00:54] *** tqh has quit IRC[21:05:10] *** ddavid123 has joined #haiku[21:05:54] *** tqh has joined #haiku[21:06:58] *** Xeon3D is now known as Xeon3D|Zzz[21:07:49] *** Xeon3D|Zzz is now known as Xeon3D[21:10:21] *** Beretta021 has quit IRC[21:11:11] *** ddavid123 has quit IRC[21:11:40] *** Beretta021 has joined #haiku[21:12:32] *** korli has quit IRC[21:16:00] *** Alam_Squeeze has quit IRC[21:16:49] *** Tsyesika has quit IRC[21:18:08] *** happy4crazy has quit IRC[21:18:22] *** Alam_Squeeze has joined #haiku[21:19:32] *** Hubert_ has joined #haiku[21:20:57] *** Tsyesika has joined #haiku[21:22:26] *** happy4crazy has joined #haiku[21:24:50] <Tsyesika> Woah Vision has tons of open bugs[21:29:29] <Disreali> Tsyesika: where? on the haiku trac, or visions own tracker?[21:30:56] <Tsyesika> visions own[21:31:04] <Tsyesika> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=19867&atid=119867[21:31:58] <Disreali> Vision is due for a re-write/restructure, but that will wait until after R1[21:32:35] <Tsyesika> Vision isn't too bad tbh[21:32:40] <Tsyesika> but maybe[21:32:48] <Skipp_OSX> Photoshop has a lot of bugs too, that doesn't make it bad software[21:33:42] <Skipp_OSX> besides you are looking at both open and closed bugs...[21:33:54] <Tsyesika> Skipp_OSX i wasn't saying it was bad infact i'm thinking of fixing some :P[21:34:05] <Tsyesika> I'm looking at fixing one which annoys me now[21:34:29] <Skipp_OSX> sounds good, open source software is helpful in that way[21:34:53] <Tsyesika> :)[21:35:11] *** pulkomandy has joined #haiku[21:36:16] *** x-ist has joined #haiku[21:38:19] *** MatthewH12 has joined #haiku[21:43:58] *** x-ist has quit IRC[21:49:14] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #haiku[21:51:36] *** Beretta021 has quit IRC[21:57:55] *** negusnyul has quit IRC[21:58:13] *** negusnyul has joined #haiku[22:01:23] *** duvjones has quit IRC[22:02:08] *** Negr0_VoP2P has joined #haiku[22:02:35] <Luko> hi folks[22:02:53] *** letharion has quit IRC[22:02:55] *** _marc` has quit IRC[22:03:01] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[22:03:18] <Anarchos> hi Luko[22:03:33] <Luko> i have spare time afternoon, i work on very simple game based on allegro lib[22:03:50] <Luko> http://linuxaci.6f.sk/fubox/lukves/screenshot1.jpeg[22:04:25] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[22:06:21] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[22:06:40] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[22:06:46] *** letharion has joined #haiku[22:06:50] <Luko> need more work and love :D http://linuxaci.6f.sk/fubox/lukves/Bakteria_x86.zip[22:07:51] <Skipp_OSX> looks fun[22:07:56] *** brianb has joined #haiku[22:08:13] <Luko> ;D[22:08:15] <Luko> :D[22:09:28] *** oco2 has joined #haiku[22:11:13] *** Xeon3D is now known as Xeon3D|Zzz[22:11:26] *** Spacewalker has quit IRC[22:12:01] *** Xeon3D|Zzz is now known as Xeon3D[22:12:16] <CIA-58> haiku.master: tqh * hrev44590 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=19187c4 : (log message trimmed)[22:12:16] <CIA-58> x86: Initialize IA32_MSR_ENERGY_PERF_BIAS[22:12:16] <CIA-58> The lowest 4 bits of the MSR serves as a hint to the hardware to[22:12:16] <CIA-58> favor performance or energy saving. 0 means a hint preference for[22:12:16] <CIA-58> highest performance while 15 corresponds to the maximum energy[22:12:17] <CIA-58> savings. A value of 7 translates into a hint to balance performance[22:12:18] <CIA-58> with energy savings.[22:13:53] <Skipp_OSX> Luko, why is it Bakteria_x86, is there a PPC version?[22:16:59] *** swarfega has quit IRC[22:17:32] *** swarfega has joined #haiku[22:17:40] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC[22:22:19] *** Forca has quit IRC[22:25:03] <Luko> no[22:25:17] <Luko> but linux ver will be have amd64[22:25:35] <Luko> Skipp_OSX, its very simple game[22:25:50] <Luko> need more work[22:28:27] *** alexandros_c has joined #haiku[22:28:57] <Anarchos> Luko what kind of game[22:30:46] <Luko> human vs computer[22:31:53] <Luko> simply you put bacteria on table and they multopy,, your computer oponent do the some[22:32:22] <Luko> vinner is that who has more boxes[22:33:53] *** TimKack has joined #haiku[22:34:47] *** dcase has quit IRC[22:35:31] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[22:37:27] *** Megaf has quit IRC[22:38:19] *** Luko has quit IRC[22:39:09] *** tqh has quit IRC[22:41:28] *** Xeon3D is now known as Xeon3D|Zzz[22:42:03] *** Xeon3D|Zzz is now known as Xeon3D[22:45:17] *** stpere has joined #haiku[22:53:03] <stpere> a server at work got defaced today :P[22:53:17] <stpere> such a lovely day[22:55:07] <Anarchos> stpere who defaced it ?[22:55:24] <stpere> no idea yet. some Jihad stuff[22:55:31] <stpere> last hop in saudi arabia[22:55:48] <Anarchos> stpere i dream to deface servers at my work[22:55:56] <Anarchos> stpere i literally dream of that ![22:56:07] <stpere> strangely, the sysadmin was away today[22:56:09] <stpere> ...[22:56:16] <stpere> so I picked up the task[22:57:47] <stpere> I was already on phone because of another issue, some hospital wasn't picking our signal for a remote course (HD video), when I heard about that hack... I've cursed a lot until I remembered I was still on the phone[22:59:41] <Anarchos> lol[22:59:56] <mrsun> http://en.paperblog.com/samsung-pays-apple-1-billion-sending-30-trucks-full-of-5-cents-coins-294795/ samsung got class? :)[23:01:48] <Anarchos> mrsun is it a joke ??[23:01:54] <mrsun> i guess[23:02:02] <mrsun> check the calculations people have done in the comments[23:02:13] <mrsun> would take alot of trucks to move that amount of money in 5 centers :P[23:02:33] <Anarchos> mrsun i know that capitalists cant be so funny people ;)[23:03:47] *** kcj has joined #haiku[23:06:12] *** ddavid123 has joined #haiku[23:06:32][23:06:34] <stpere> it*[23:07:32] <mrsun> yeah =)[23:11:36] <ddavid123> Is it in the cards for an Alpha 4 release in the month of September?[23:11:43] *** Xeon3D is now known as Xeon3D|Zzz[23:12:06] <ddavid123> I am due to reinstall Haiku September 1st with the latest nightly anyboot build[23:12:06] *** Xeon3D|Zzz is now known as Xeon3D[23:13:31] <ddavid123> I would hate to burn a nightly anyboot cd only to do it agian for Alpha 4[23:13:48] <Tsyesika> :P[23:14:02] <Tsyesika> i have no idea, i have heard it's soon tho[23:14:35] <Skipp_OSX> ddavid123, well, theoretically Septermber 1 is the day we are suppose to release, but I don't see that as happening[23:14:47] <ddavid123> I have too, but there are five bugs left to be fixed for Alpha 4[23:14:53] <Skipp_OSX> but, soon after should be out, packages are being built for A4 as we speak[23:15:30] <Skipp_OSX> ddavid123, well, I would estimate some time in September yes[23:15:32] <Tsyesika> btw anyone who wants the latest version of Vision on R3/nightly can grab it http://tsyesika.co.uk/u/Haiku :)[23:15:45] <Tsyesika> its build gcc4 so will only work on hybrids or gcc4 builds[23:15:48] <ddavid123> R3?[23:16:03] <ddavid123> Alpha 3?[23:16:09] <Tsyesika> yeh that's what i meant[23:16:19] <Tsyesika> R1A3[23:16:20] <Tsyesika> sorry[23:16:23] <ddavid123> I was just picking at you[23:16:50] <Tsyesika> i'm working on fixing some bugs :P I'll probs apply the patch and update that version i linked to[23:16:56] <ddavid123> What is different in the latest version?[23:17:08] <Tsyesika> erm the only noticable thing i've seen is notifications on highlight[23:17:38] <Tsyesika> ddavid123 i'm working at some of the bugs as we speak i'll submit patch files on the sourceforge tracker but probs compile it into these binaries o[23:18:59] <ddavid123> I look forward to it![23:19:55] <Tsyesika> :)[23:20:01] <pulkomandy> ddavid123: can't you boot from an usb stick instread of burning a cd ?[23:20:29] *** TimKack has quit IRC[23:20:46] <ddavid123> Yes I can, but in order for me to leave some room in the USB stick instead of DD, I install Haiku from an install CD[23:21:37] <ddavid123> How else can I install Haiku to a USB stick?[23:22:37] <pulkomandy> you can download a raw image, mount it in an existing haiku install, and run installer from there[23:23:21] <pulkomandy> but you can't overwrite the running haiku install with it[23:23:45] <pulkomandy> I guess a good way would be to have 2 sticks, or spare a partition on your hard disk or something like that[23:24:06] <ddavid123> How can I run the installer if I am not running Haiku?[23:24:15] <ddavid123> Oh[23:24:27] <ddavid123> I don't have either[23:24:49] <ddavid123> I have tried to install from VirtualBox, but the installer crashes[23:25:24] <ddavid123> I need a second usb stick then[23:25:26] <ddavid123> lol[23:26:41] <ddavid123> I have a 4 gig memory card in my card reader ,but Haiku doesn't know how to use it![23:27:17] <pulkomandy> it works with usb card readers, but not with internal ones in laptops it seems[23:27:24] <pulkomandy> we need a driver...[23:27:25] *** Beretta021 has joined #haiku[23:27:47] <ddavid123> Thanks for the help, pulkomandy[23:28:40] *** ddavid123 has quit IRC[23:31:38] *** jayrulez has quit IRC[23:32:02] *** pulkomandy has quit IRC[23:36:01] *** Beretta021 has quit IRC[23:40:35] *** ddavid123 has joined #haiku[23:42:08] <Hubert_> Tsyesika: maybe SSL for Vision? :)[23:42:09] <ddavid123> I forgot that I need to Cd to boot my Desktop computer. When I insert the USB stick the boot loader gets loaded but then my computer reboots.[23:42:19] <ddavid123> need the cd[23:42:32] <Tsyesika> Hubert_ maybe :) there is quite a few things that need to be done before that but yeh it'd be nice[23:42:44] <Hubert_> ;)[23:45:35] *** happy4crazy has quit IRC[23:50:37] *** happy4crazy has joined #haiku[23:50:38] *** ddavid123 has quit IRC[23:51:50] *** amigamia has quit IRC[23:52:48] <CIA-58> haiku.master: korli * hrev44591 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=b7bb583 :[23:52:48] <CIA-58> hda: mixer and audio paths fixes[23:52:48] <CIA-58> * avoid mixing input and output paths when building a tree. 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