August 28, 2012 
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August 28, 2012 [00:05:24] *** negusnyul has joined #haiku[00:06:00] *** negusnyul has quit IRC[00:09:58] *** duvjones has quit IRC[00:10:45] <Anarchos> 3 hours for a character to change... The enjoyness of assembly !!![00:12:47] *** jezek2 has quit IRC[00:15:52] *** radeschi_ has quit IRC[00:26:26] *** Blub\w has quit IRC[00:26:31] *** jezek2 has joined #haiku[00:30:12] <Tsyesika> Has anyone noticed in vision utf-8 chars get prefixed with a umlaut A?[00:31:47] <Anarchos> Tsyesika i am in utf-8[00:31:59] <Anarchos> i tried with 3 dots : …[00:32:05] <Anarchos> do you see three points ?[00:34:00] <Tsyesika> huh? I see the a with a hat (no idea what the name is), a square and a broken pipe[00:34:46] <Anarchos> Tsyesika i use alt+shift+dot to produce the B_UTF8_ELLIPSIS char[00:35:05] <hamishm_> utf-8 isn't really supported by the irc standard, iirc[00:35:10] *** hamishm_ is now known as hamishm[00:36:06] *** happy4crazy has quit IRC[00:36:55] <Tsyesika> hamishm they're not[00:37:05] <Tsyesika> hamishm I do a lot of IRC programming[00:37:28][00:37:37] <Tsyesika> do people see the umlaut a before it?[00:37:58] <Tsyesika> I thought it was a bug in my IRC code when as it's something i usually bug and i kept seeing it but i realised it's Vision[00:38:32] <Anarchos> Tsyesika i just saw the pound symbol[00:39:10] <Tsyesika> hmm[00:39:15] <Tsyesika> i'll screenshot what i'm talking about[00:39:19] <Tsyesika> maybe it's how some clients do it[00:39:33] <Prodito> …[00:40:27] <hamishm> pound symbol here too[00:41:40] <Tsyesika> http://tsyesika.co.uk/u/umlaut-a-irc.png[00:41:56] <Tsyesika> erm it's near ish the bottom[00:41:59] <Tsyesika> posted by sebsebseb[00:43:25] <Tsyesika> it's not just there ether it happens in many places[00:45:22] <hamishm> where is the vision source btw?[00:45:45] <Tsyesika> errrm[00:45:55] <Tsyesika> maybe /src/apps?[00:45:57] <Tsyesika> i donno[00:46:27] <hamishm> I think it's off site somewhere[00:46:53] <Tsyesika> you sure?[00:46:54] * Tsyesika looks[00:47:25] <Tsyesika> hmm[00:47:47] <hamishm> I found a sourceforge project but the source hasn't been updated in 3 years[00:48:06] <Tsyesika> yeh you're right i think[00:49:04] <hamishm> ah[00:49:14] <hamishm> the sourceforge project is the right place, I was just looking in the cvs repos[00:49:26] <Tsyesika> link?[00:49:26] <hamishm> svn has the latest stuff[00:49:32] <hamishm> http://vision.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/vision/trunk/[00:49:34] <Tsyesika> maybe i could fix it[00:50:06] <Tsyesika> anyone know the svn version of git clone?[00:50:36] <hamishm> checkout I think?[00:50:48] <Tsyesika> cool thanks[00:51:38] <Tsyesika> damn i keep forgetting i broke installoptionalpackage[00:51:41] <Tsyesika> time to fix i guess :P[00:55:03] <Tsyesika> we due for a new build soon?[00:55:22] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[00:57:38] *** Ingenu has left #haiku[00:57:39] <hamishm> a new build of vision?[00:57:52] <Tsyesika> no of haiku[00:58:51] <hamishm> I think alpha 4 is scheduled for september[00:58:59] <hamishm> but don't quote me on that[00:59:04] <Tsyesika> i meant nightly[00:59:10] <Tsyesika> >.<[00:59:54] <jessicah> morning :)[01:00:04] <Tsyesika> morning jessicah :P[01:00:48] <Tsyesika> jessicah you happen to know when build bot is scheduled for?[01:00:57] <jessicah> no idea[01:01:22] <Tsyesika> okay :P[01:02:21] *** Lili has joined #haiku[01:03:16] *** Tsyesika has quit IRC[01:03:29] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[01:06:41] <jstressman> woot!![01:06:57] <jstressman> Peter sent me the BFS windows access code. :D[01:07:02] <jessicah> :)[01:07:03] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[01:07:03] *** JsobCloud_ is now known as JsobCloud[01:07:19] <jessicah> so you gonna put up on github?[01:07:30] <jessicah> (or similar)[01:07:49] <Lili> is it read and write?[01:07:56] <jstressman> read only.[01:08:03] <jstressman> I planned to github it, yes.[01:08:15] <jstressman> he said Jurgen had done some work on it as well...[01:08:29] *** bjz has joined #haiku[01:08:50] <Lili> sounds cool[01:09:27] <jstressman> x-otic ?[01:09:41] <Lili> huh[01:09:51] <jstressman> Jürgen Wall I think....[01:10:13] <jstressman> Peter said he'd done some work on the BFS/Windows app as well... getting it to compile on Windows 7.[01:10:26] <jstressman> so I'd like to get in touch with him as well when I get the code on-line.[01:18:59] *** happy4crazy has joined #haiku[01:20:01] *** Tsyesika has joined #haiku[01:20:09] <Tsyesika> I'm backk[01:25:32] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[01:25:36] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[01:26:52] *** luroh has quit IRC[01:27:10] *** Lily has joined #haiku[01:30:08] *** Tsyesika has quit IRC[01:30:08] *** Lily is now known as Tsyesika[01:30:38] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[01:38:36] *** happy4crazy has quit IRC[01:41:10] <jessicah> did you fix vision? :p[01:41:24] <jessicah> or a fresh install?[01:41:27] <Tsyesika> fresh install :P[01:49:31] *** Negr0_VoP2P has quit IRC[01:56:47] *** jmelesky has quit IRC[01:57:45] *** Vampyre has quit IRC[02:02:35] *** oco2 has quit IRC[02:11:54] *** HeTo_ has joined #haiku[02:13:21] *** HeTo has quit IRC[02:15:29] *** Postumus has quit IRC[02:18:52] *** HeTo_ has quit IRC[02:36:21] *** Megaf has quit IRC[02:38:08] *** Megaf has joined #haiku[02:39:22] *** cherrypai is now known as cherrypie[02:49:08] *** happy4crazy has joined #haiku[02:51:08] <Slor> Am I missing some simple trick to get my wireless network and password saved across a reboot? Using latest nightly.[02:51:45] <Slor> I tried messing with the network settings applet, but that appeared to do more harm than good.[02:52:52] <Tsyesika> Slor there is no keyring/password manager yet, it's being developed though[02:53:12] <Slor> ok - thanks. At least I know to quit looking. :)[02:53:18] <Tsyesika> :)[02:53:36] *** happy4crazy has quit IRC[02:55:37] *** Postumus has joined #haiku[02:56:12] *** Alam_Squeeze has quit IRC[02:57:09] *** Alam_Squeeze has joined #haiku[03:02:42] *** Lili has quit IRC[03:07:26] *** NeonLicht has quit IRC[03:09:00] *** Skipp_OSXI has quit IRC[03:15:05] <Tsyesika> i wish Bepdf was included by default :P[03:17:10] <Disreali> in Terminal type 'installoptionalpackage -a bepdf'[03:17:57] <Disreali> or 'installoptionalpackage -l' to get a list of all available packages[03:20:23] <jessicah> hey Disreali[03:20:52] <Disreali> >(^.^)<[03:21:12] <jessicah> =^.^=[03:21:28] <Disreali> how was your race/ride?[03:21:52] <Disreali> I forget which it was[03:22:03] <jessicah> ugh, meeting time[03:22:05] <jessicah> bbl :p[03:22:06] <jessicah> sorries[03:22:11] <Disreali> np[03:23:50] <Tsyesika> Disreali I know how to get it :P[03:23:56] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[03:23:58] <Tsyesika> but thanks[03:24:17] <Disreali> Tsyesika: np[03:25:38] <Tsyesika> blahh disk is full gotta symlink some stuff over again >.<[03:27:03] <Tsyesika> Disreali also you don't need the -a it's implicit[03:27:20] *** tn_ has joined #haiku[03:27:31] <Tsyesika> humph my feet are cold :([03:27:56] *** bjz has quit IRC[03:29:08] *** tn_ has left #haiku[03:30:37] <Tsyesika> I see the channel is lively tonight :P[03:43:03] * Tsyesika see's a tumbleweed roll by[03:43:54] *** mmadia_ has left #haiku[03:46:58] * Disreali tumbles inside a Tumbleweed as it drifts across the channel[03:47:09] <Tsyesika> :P[03:47:11] <Tsyesika> Disreali how are you?[03:47:29] <Disreali> I am well[03:48:03] <Disreali> I'm watching old episodes of 'The Closer'[03:48:36] <Tsyesika> Never seen it, any good?[03:49:28] *** rimio has quit IRC[03:49:35] <Disreali> I like it,. but then I like witty dialogue in my TV shows[03:50:17] *** rimio has joined #haiku[03:51:08] <Disreali> "West Wing" was the best for witty dialogue, imho[03:51:43] <Disreali> Though, anything by Aaron Sorkin is good[03:52:39] <Tsyesika> :P[03:52:56] <Tsyesika> at the moment TV wise i'm mainly just watching the newsroom and breaking bad[03:53:40] <Disreali> both good, but not my 'cup of tea'[03:54:01] <Tsyesika> ahh okay :P fair enough[03:54:35] <Disreali> I think both have really good writing, but for some reason neither really draws me in[03:54:57] <Tsyesika> it took me a few epsiodes of breaking bad to get into it but it eventually hooked me[03:55:14] <Tsyesika> the newsroom i was hooked after the first one[03:55:17] *** HeTo has joined #haiku[03:55:36] <Disreali> that is what I've heard. maybe I did not give BB enough time[03:55:50] <Tsyesika> how much of it did you watch?[03:56:03] <Disreali> first 4 episodes[03:56:11] <Tsyesika> hmm i was hooked then so ... I donno[03:57:18] <Tsyesika> omgg my feet won't warm up :'([03:58:31] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[03:59:02] *** NeonLicht has joined #haiku[03:59:09] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[03:59:54] <Disreali> Newsroom has superp writing.[03:59:55] <Tsyesika> hmm have you noticed notify list on haiku doesn't do anything anymore[04:00:07] <Tsyesika> on vision[04:00:15] <Disreali> on haiku, or Vision?[04:00:36] <Tsyesika> vision[04:00:48] <Disreali> unfortunately, I've not been able to run Haiku lately[04:01:10] <Disreali> I would recommend submitting a ticket[04:01:20] <augiedoggie> or not[04:01:26] <Disreali> http://dev.haiku.org[04:01:33] <Tsyesika> augiedoggie or not? :P[04:01:45] <Disreali> yeah, why not[04:01:49] <augiedoggie> it's a 3rd party app, not part of haiku[04:02:01] <augiedoggie> and there are many fixes in the svn version of vision[04:02:12] <augiedoggie> waiting to be vetted before a new package is created[04:02:30] <Disreali> however, if it work previously, and not now, it is a haiku change that is most likely that cause[04:02:30] <Tsyesika> okay :)[04:03:16] <Tsyesika> Disreali I am taking the word of screenshots of vision under BeOS ... I've only used haiku[04:03:34] <augiedoggie> if you're talking about notifications, then it's a known issue[04:03:39] <Disreali> oh... that is different[04:03:48] <Tsyesika> I am in the notify list in the bottom left[04:07:21] *** alexandros_c has quit IRC[04:11:15] *** bjz has joined #haiku[04:12:38] *** qptain_Nemo has quit IRC[04:16:32] *** Premislaus has joined #haiku[04:16:43] <Premislaus> Good morning.[04:16:56] <jstressman> Premislaus: good morning :)[04:17:13] <Premislaus> what's up?[04:19:26] <jstressman> nothing. :) just watched the season finale of True Blood with my girlfriend... wondering what to do next.[04:20:11] <Tsyesika> morning Premislaus[04:20:32] <Premislaus> I have four episodes of True Blood to watch.[04:20:34] <Premislaus> hey[04:20:51] <Premislaus> It is based on the book.[04:21:10] <Premislaus> Yesterday I started watching Babylon 5.[04:21:36] <Tsyesika> what do you think of it?[04:22:17] <Premislaus> I watched in the 90s, a couple of episodes.[04:22:19] <Premislaus> even cool[04:22:28] *** rimio has quit IRC[04:23:41] *** rimio has joined #haiku[04:24:59] <Premislaus> Aliens are very similar to humans.[04:25:21] <Premislaus> Lack of imagination.[04:25:38] <Tsyesika> ahh[04:26:22] <Tsyesika> I get bugged by how many humonoid alians there are in star trek tho there is some deversity every now and then[04:27:11] <Premislaus> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solaris_%28novel%29 - I like the book and movie with Clooney.[04:27:36] <Tsyesika> isn't that an OS[04:27:45] <Tsyesika> :P[04:28:07] <Tsyesika> kidding...[04:28:08] <Premislaus> :P[04:28:12] <Tsyesika> well i'm not, it is an OS :P but xD[04:28:19] <Tsyesika> pish you know what i mean[04:28:52] <hamishm> have you seen the tarkovsky version?[04:29:18] <Tsyesika> nope[04:29:27] *** augiedoggie has left #haiku[04:29:55] <Tsyesika> I donno if it's because it's because this machine has little ram of if webpositive just struggles with big image files[04:30:30] <Premislaus> hamishm: I have not seen. Still forget.[04:30:44] <Premislaus> And you watched?[04:31:44] <hamishm> yeah, it's excellent[04:31:52] <hamishm> very different from the one with clooney though[04:31:56] *** stephane3 has joined #haiku[04:32:41] <Tsyesika> I can't decide if I should head to bed soon or stay up late[04:33:35] <Premislaus> Front of the keyboard :P[04:33:51] <hamishm> I think I'm already past the point of staying up late here...[04:34:30] <Tsyesika> what time?[04:34:52] <Premislaus> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_%282009_film%29 - I watched a few days ago. I enjoyed it.[04:34:58] <hamishm> half three[04:35:02] <Tsyesika> europe[04:35:14] <Premislaus> 4:34 am[04:35:17] <hamishm> yep, uk[04:35:23] <Tsyesika> wait it's half 3 in the uk[04:35:29] <Tsyesika> oh damn it haiku set my clock wrong[04:35:33] <Tsyesika> :P[04:35:36] <hamishm> what time did you think it was?[04:35:39] <Tsyesika> half 2[04:35:49] <Premislaus> Hamish from where you are?[04:36:06] <hamishm> scotland[04:36:22] *** stephane3 has quit IRC[04:36:26] <Tsyesika> okay i corrected it[04:36:32] <Tsyesika> hamishm i'm from manchester/lancaster[04:36:35] <Tsyesika> currently in lancaster atm[04:36:38] <Premislaus> But where you have roots?[04:36:52] <Tsyesika> roots[04:36:53] <Tsyesika> wut[04:36:55] <hamishm> you mean where was I born?[04:37:03] <hamishm> brighton, england[04:37:15] <Premislaus> predecessors[04:37:25] <Tsyesika> i was born in lancaster royal infirmary :P[04:37:29] <Tsyesika> my parents were too[04:37:44] <Tsyesika> pretty sure my grandparents were born in this area just ... at home[04:38:08] <hamishm> well my mum's family is english and my dad's scottish[04:38:13] <Premislaus> Brighton - nice city. My sister was there on a trip.[04:38:43] <Tsyesika> i don't think i've been to brighton[04:38:57] *** stpere has joined #haiku[04:39:00] <hamishm> I don't remember it[04:39:16] <Premislaus> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamish hmm[04:39:16] <hamishm> apparently it's got a nice beach though[04:39:17] <Premislaus> I thought it was the name from Middle East...[04:39:44] <Tsyesika> hamishm my ex boyfriend was lives in glasgow[04:39:46] <Tsyesika> where you from?[04:40:13] <hamishm> perth[04:41:19] <hamishm> about 60 miles north of glasgow[04:41:28] <Tsyesika> I know where it is :P[04:41:53] <hamishm> ah fair enough[04:42:42] <hamishm> normally when I tell people I'm from perth they go "you don't sound like an australian"[04:42:50] <Tsyesika> haha :P[04:43:01] <Tsyesika> I know where the perth in australia is too[04:43:14] <Tsyesika> but being from the UK I guess my uk geography is better than those who aren't[04:44:58] *** stpere has quit IRC[04:48:55] *** happy4crazy has joined #haiku[04:49:05] *** pseudomind has joined #haiku[05:03:18] <dreamed> I had family in perth[05:03:22] <dreamed> they moved[05:03:23] <dreamed> ;)[05:03:29] <dreamed> I hear it's great money there depending on the job[05:04:01] <Tsyesika> which perth :P[05:04:05] <Tsyesika> AU or UK[05:04:52] <hamishm> AU obviously[05:04:54] <hamishm> there's no jobs here[05:13:45] <jessicah> lol[05:14:02] <jessicah> Disreali: i had a race on saturday, and a ride on sunday[05:14:31] <jessicah> in the race, i didn't do so well[05:14:31] *** happy4crazy has quit IRC[05:14:39] <Disreali> jessicah: I hope both went well[05:14:52] <jessicah> i got caught out with bad position; gap opened up between rider in front of me and rest of bunch in front[05:15:04] <jessicah> by time i noticed, couldn't bridge the gap =/[05:15:11] <Disreali> :(\[05:15:42] <jessicah> caught a pair of other girls after a lil while[05:15:53] <Disreali> was it team race or individual?[05:16:12] <jessicah> one of them couldn't keep up after i joined, since i'm a bit stronger rider[05:16:30] <jessicah> and then two of us sticked together until 4km when we hit second to last hill climb[05:16:47] <jessicah> she's tiny 15/16 yo, so took off up the hill whilst i struggled[05:16:50] <Tsyesika> sounds fun[05:16:50] <Disreali> I did a couple individual races before my knee injury[05:17:12] <Tsyesika> jessicah I found http://www.manchesterwheelers.co.uk/index.htm[05:17:24] <jessicah> it's individual. but was a mass start of all grades together. so if you didn't get in a good position at the start, the front would be too strong to bridge back onto[05:17:28] <jessicah> as in my case[05:17:37] <Disreali> that would be a very l9ong trip for her[05:17:43] <jessicah> Disreali: oh, that sucks :([05:17:59] <jessicah> Disreali: she kept up pretty well. she basically sat on my wheel for 15-20km[05:18:29] <jessicah> Disreali: so you used to do road racing too?[05:18:50] <jessicah> sunday ride was pretty good. did ~85km over 3 hours[05:18:51] <Disreali> jessicah: my injury was only a matter of time. I have flat feet, which thoughs out the alignment of my knees and hips[05:19:09] <jessicah> oh :([05:19:19] <Disreali> jessicah: I did road racing for about a year or so[05:19:52] <Disreali> I really liked it, as it did not impact my feet/knees[05:20:21] <jessicah> Tsyesika: that looks like a good club to join :) has a bit of everything[05:20:25] <Tsyesika> yeh[05:20:28] <Tsyesika> I'm thinking of doing it[05:20:33] <Tsyesika> maybe when i get back into the swing of things...[05:20:34] <jessicah> it's a shame you can't keep cycling =/[05:20:41] <jessicah> yeah :)[05:20:57] <Tsyesika> I got to decide if i should stay up and cycle at like 6am. 7am[05:21:00] <jessicah> hmm, results of race should be up...[05:21:00] <Tsyesika> or sleep[05:21:03] <Disreali> it has been long enough that the doctors said I can start riding again, though not competetively[05:21:06] *** XenoDuck has quit IRC[05:21:33] <jessicah> ah. do they think you'll ever be able to again, if you wanted to?[05:21:59] <Tsyesika> Disreali even at leasure it'd still be nice tho :)[05:22:43] <Disreali> if I really wanted to, maybe. At this point, I'd just be glad to do 20k. I'm out of shape in my old age(sic)[05:23:15] <Tsyesika> it'll be hard getting back into it probs[05:23:18] <Tsyesika> I know i'm struggling :P[05:23:25] <Disreali> I've started training on a stationary. we'll see were I go from there[05:24:33] <Disreali> Tsyesika: yeah. I doubt that I could get anywhere near what I was doing a decade ago.[05:25:57] <Tsyesika> Disreali I use to cycle not too seriously but I when i was at kind of the top of what i'd do it'd be maybe 40 ish miles (65km) in a day and stuff[05:26:05] <Tsyesika> now i'm strugglign to get past the first mile (1.6km)[05:26:37] <Disreali> me too[05:27:16] <Disreali> I miss it, even if my allergies do not[05:27:42] <Tsyesika> yesterday was my first day in all honesty so I'm not sure what I expect It's just odd not being able to cycle without feeling like death :P[05:27:52] <Tsyesika> Disreali yesterday after my ride i was physically sick[05:28:50] <Disreali> I've been there. don't push yourself that much.[05:29:05] <Disreali> if you need to stop and walk, do so[05:29:33] <Tsyesika> Disreali I didn't think I was to be honest I felt crap but I thought it'd pass since it was only a mile[05:30:44] <Disreali> I still get winded at 1-2k. you really need to ease yourself into it[05:32:13] *** Beretta021 has quit IRC[05:32:14] <Tsyesika> Disreali i'm going to do this mile until it feels pretty easy[05:32:26] <Tsyesika> Disreali problem is i live on a pretty steep hill[05:32:40] <Disreali> ah[05:32:55] <Tsyesika> i'm half way up it so regardless if i go up or down i'll be faced with it again[05:32:56] <Tsyesika> ;p[05:33:30] <Tsyesika> I figured i'd go up it so when i'm coming back worn out I get to just go down without effort :P[05:33:48] *** nyl has quit IRC[05:34:08] *** Beretta021 has joined #haiku[05:38:57] <jessicah> Disreali: so you were pretty good when you used to compete? :)[05:39:26] <jessicah> i've never met other keen cycling times on irc before until here in #haiku it seems :D[05:39:31] *** rimio has quit IRC[05:40:32] <Disreali> jessicah: I was decent. In the races I did I came in middle to top 10% of the pack[05:40:53] *** rimio has joined #haiku[05:41:02] <jessicah> did you have grades?[05:41:09] <jessicah> i'm currently in C grade with my club[05:41:17] <jessicah> though our club has some stupidly strong riders[05:41:35] <Tsyesika> do most clubs have grades?[05:41:39] <jessicah> I'd be in B or maybe even A grade over at wanganui's club[05:41:52] <jessicah> yeah, normally[05:41:53] <Tsyesika> what is the lowest grade?[05:42:06] <jessicah> it depends on the club and who they cater for[05:42:17] <jessicah> in my club, A-D grades, and a junior grade[05:42:18] <Tsyesika> that must be pretty depressing to weak riders not only being left at the back but also being graded like F or something[05:42:20] <Tsyesika> or D :P[05:42:50] <jessicah> it's more depressing getting put in a bunch that you have no hope of keeping up with[05:42:51] <Disreali> there weren't ant clubs in the area when I was racing. there are 2 now, butthey are just riding clubs not racing[05:42:57] <Tsyesika> I guess :P[05:43:23] <jessicah> we had separate racing & recreational clubs. but they amalgamated into one club two years ago[05:44:44] <Disreali> jessicah: I'm guessing that the clubs in your area are structured differently than those here[05:44:54] <jessicah> possibly[05:45:01] <Disreali> I have no notition of grading[05:45:13] <jessicah> NZ cycling clubs currently have no real uniform structure imo[05:45:28] <Disreali> ah[05:45:28] <jessicah> it's just to separate out cyclists of different abilities[05:45:49] <Disreali> sounds reasonable[05:46:12] <jessicah> like on a flat course, i can average around 36-38km/h i guess?[05:46:22] <jessicah> but on a hilly course, prolly more like 31-32km/h[05:46:39] <jessicah> whereas an A grader would do like 36+km/h on a hilly course[05:47:13] <jessicah> also, A graders typically do longer races[05:47:25] <Tsyesika> how long?[05:47:33] <jessicah> in our club, C grade often does 40km circuits, B grade 60km, A grade 80km[05:47:49] <Tsyesika> races?[05:47:50] <Tsyesika> wow[05:47:52] <jessicah> or sometimes A & B grade will do same distance; and A grade would chase B grade[05:47:56] <jessicah> yeah[05:48:12] <Tsyesika> I can see that as like "o lets go on an 80km ride" but a race[05:48:16] <Tsyesika> that's pretty brutal :P[05:48:25] <jessicah> it is[05:48:37] <jessicah> feilding festival of cycling is coming up in a few weeks[05:48:47] <jessicah> i'll be doing the criterium & the 90km licensed race[05:48:52] <Tsyesika> wow[05:48:58] *** ismd has quit IRC[05:49:06] <jessicah> the 90km race is truly brutal[05:49:15] <Tsyesika> I think i'd be hospitalised tbh xD[05:49:16] <jessicah> i did it 2 years ago; when i finished, i could barely walk[05:49:29] <Tsyesika> I've never been that fit[05:49:31] <Tsyesika> ever[05:49:43] <Tsyesika> i'm not sure my body is even capable of being[05:49:48] <jessicah> an A grader had a puncture, so he caught up to me just before the finish[05:49:58] <jessicah> so I figured it'd be fun to try sprint against him[05:50:06] <jessicah> naturally i lost the sprint; but was fun :D[05:50:15] <Tsyesika> ^.^[05:50:33] <Tsyesika> awhh I wish I was over there... lovely weather, from what I've seen lovely views, lots of cycling[05:50:40] <Tsyesika> quiete cities[05:50:45] <jessicah> i'm still a long way off from where i used to be[05:50:56] <jessicah> was much stronger on hills than i am presently[05:50:59] *** Megaf has quit IRC[05:51:49] <Tsyesika> I think i need to move to a country with a warmer climate[05:51:50] <Tsyesika> :P[05:51:56] <jessicah> :p[05:52:24] <Tsyesika> england even in the summer is often cold :P yet my body doesn't adjust[05:52:38] <Tsyesika> i just stand there shivering away[05:53:27] *** rimio has quit IRC[05:54:26] *** rimio has joined #haiku[05:54:36] * Tsyesika yawns[05:54:48] <Tsyesika> 5am ... only a hour off when I could cycle[05:55:17] <Tsyesika> 6:12 sunrise probs have to wait until 7[05:57:01] <Tsyesika> humph I'm yawning a lot at the moment[06:00:43] *** chagrin has joined #haiku[06:01:50] <jessicah> i'm almost yawning[06:01:55] <jessicah> definitely feel tired[06:03:40] <jessicah> ah, i came 31st out of 41 after handicapping for race[06:04:13] <Tsyesika> jessicah get an early night tonight?[06:06:50] <jessicah> will try[06:07:01] <Tsyesika> :)[06:07:15] <Tsyesika> have a long soak in the bath then tuck youself up early :)[06:16:08] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[06:20:33] *** Skipp_OSX has quit IRC[06:23:37] *** Skipp_Haiku has joined #haiku[06:28:42] <CIA-58> haiku.r1alpha4: nielx * hrevr1alpha4-44574 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=1671101 : Update translations from Pootle[06:29:30] *** Tsyesika has quit IRC[06:32:53] *** Skipp_Haiku has quit IRC[06:35:21] *** Skipp_Haiku has joined #haiku[06:35:30] *** Tsyesika has joined #haiku[06:35:35] <Tsyesika> kernel panic[06:35:37] <Tsyesika> then didn't boot[06:39:34] *** ismd has joined #haiku[06:47:19] <jessicah> :([06:47:25] <jessicah> your haiku broken again huh?[06:47:40] <Tsyesika> it was :P I just dd'ed a new install onto the usb pendrive[06:47:52] <Tsyesika> as you do :P[06:48:07] <Tsyesika> kernel paniced and then i couldn't boot back into haiku it just stalled after the boot screen[06:52:20] <Tsyesika> jessicah: is there a cycling channel on fn[06:53:18] <jessicah> oh, freenode.[06:53:20] <jessicah> uh, no idea[06:53:30] <jessicah> i don't romp across the freenode network :p[06:53:36] *** Lily has joined #haiku[06:53:41] <Tsyesika> :O[06:53:58] *** Tsyesika has quit IRC[06:54:22] *** Lily is now known as Tsyesika[06:55:57] *** Postumus has quit IRC[06:56:00] <Tsyesika> ROMP![06:56:04] <Tsyesika> what a word[06:56:12] *** Tapionp has joined #haiku[06:56:46] <jessicah> :p[06:57:11] <Tsyesika> :P[06:57:24] <Tsyesika> that totally should be the word of the day[06:58:47] <Tsyesika> jessicah there doesn't look to be one[06:59:03] <Tsyesika> there is one on EFnet[07:00:28] <Tsyesika> not that you asked :P[07:02:22] <Tsyesika> how is it only 5am[07:02:43] <Tsyesika> I swear it was like 5 am 40 minutes ago[07:02:47] *** johnny_b has joined #haiku[07:04:26] <jessicah> maybe the haiku clock tricked you again. it set clock incorrectly for you last time[07:04:37] <Tsyesika> o[07:04:38] <Tsyesika> wait[07:05:06] <Tsyesika> yeh you're right[07:05:10] <Tsyesika> i'm a hour out[07:05:12] <Tsyesika> it's 6am[07:06:17] <Tsyesika> jessicah I'm so use to trusting computers implicitly[07:06:41] <jessicah> :)[07:06:56] <Tsyesika> hmm i wonder how light it is[07:07:11] <Tsyesika> could do with another 30 mins I think[07:08:51] <Tsyesika> jessicah really feeling quite sleepy now[07:09:24] <jessicah> same :p[07:09:32] <jessicah> have to bike home in the rain...[07:09:42] <Tsyesika> jessicah by the way the rear tyre seems to go down faster than the front which would make me think it is a slow puncture[07:09:46] <Tsyesika> maybe i should check again[07:09:53] <Tsyesika> i have checked this quite a few times in the past tho[07:10:00] <jessicah> no, happens like that for mine too[07:10:09] <Tsyesika> strangee[07:10:11] <jessicah> rear one always goes down faster[07:10:18] <jessicah> carries more weight i guess[07:10:22] <Tsyesika> mmm[07:10:37] <Tsyesika> jessicah it's weird tho[07:11:32] <jessicah> i guess[07:11:41] <Tsyesika> i donno i find that weird[07:11:55] <Tsyesika> jessicah when do you finish work?[07:12:02] <jessicah> 20 minutes[07:12:16] *** rimio has quit IRC[07:12:36] <Tsyesika> hehe we'll both be cycling at the same time[07:13:15] *** rimio has joined #haiku[07:13:38] <Tsyesika> ugh i'm going to be falling asleep at this rate[07:14:39] <jessicah> :p[07:14:50] <jessicah> bounce up and down[07:15:05] <Tsyesika> xD what will the naboughs think ;)[07:15:10] <Tsyesika> (i'm in bed)[07:15:30] <Tsyesika> that is not how you spell that[07:15:34] <jessicah> heh[07:15:35] <Tsyesika> neighbours[07:15:39] <jessicah> neighbours[07:15:41] <Tsyesika> i'll blame it on the time :P[07:15:54] <jessicah> have you even slept?[07:15:57] <Tsyesika> nope[07:21:17] *** [r4] has joined #haiku[07:25:36] <Tsyesika> ugh at having to sort out irc disputes[07:26:17] <dreamed> diplomacy is the art of saying "nice doggy[07:26:20] <dreamed> " until you can find a stick[07:28:01] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[07:28:17] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[07:32:32] <jessicah> to beat the dog with, or to distract it?[07:34:01] *** duvjones has joined #haiku[07:35:11] *** Skipp_Haiku has quit IRC[07:36:16] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[07:36:37] *** Skipp_OSX has joined #haiku[07:37:11] *** jmayfield has joined #haiku[07:37:13] <jmayfield> hello[07:37:19] <Skipp_OSX> hello[07:37:21] <Tsyesika> hey[07:38:03] <jmayfield> never ceases to shock me how similar the user list is to what it was circa 2000[07:38:04] <jmayfield> heh[07:38:15] <jmayfield> whats new in haiku land?[07:39:06] <Tsyesika> lots :)[07:39:09] <Tsyesika> but i gotta brb :P[07:40:32] <jessicah> wireless support[07:41:00] <jessicah> depends on what your frame of reference is though[07:41:01] <dreamed> could go either way I guess[07:41:06] <dreamed> (late reply)[07:41:44] <jessicah> very late :p[07:42:13] <jessicah> i had to see what you replied to, lol[07:42:37] <jmayfield> my last frame-o-reference was like beos5, with fancy bone extensions (context is so critical in a statement like that..)[07:43:55] <Skipp_OSX> I'm not sure how similar the usernames are, at least there are a few new people since BeOS 5...[07:44:20] <jmayfield> i was known as cube-ness "back in teh day"[07:44:24] <jmayfield> or pycube[07:44:53] <Skipp_OSX> well, luckily bone is now "built-in" to Haiku[07:45:12] <jmayfield> does erlang compile?[07:45:38] <dreamed> work is worky, my apologies ;)[07:47:57] *** rimio has quit IRC[07:49:25] *** HeTo has quit IRC[07:50:07] *** HeTo has joined #haiku[07:57:02] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[07:59:36] *** HeTo has quit IRC[07:59:58] *** analognoise has joined #haiku[08:02:28] <Skipp_OSX> sorry, Erlang? idk[08:02:48] <jessicah> back[08:02:52] <jmayfield> heh.. i suppose i could try[08:09:58] <Skipp_OSX> I like Lua may be somewhat working, and some crazy bastard is trying to make ruby integration[08:10:14] <jmayfield> hehe.. ruby[08:10:41] <Skipp_OSX> http://poorcoding.com/art/pub/screenshots/RuBe-BWindow.png[08:10:59] <jmayfield> someday i'll understand the point of ruby :-p[08:11:05] <Skipp_OSX> I think that is about all it does, but, it looks like a good start[08:11:40] *** Skipp_Haiku has joined #haiku[08:12:20] <johnny_b> jmayfield: your old nick is familiar from BeShare[08:12:37] *** petterhj has quit IRC[08:12:49] *** analogno1se has joined #haiku[08:12:51] <jmayfield> johnny_b: right.. i made "pyshare" even.. beshare client in python[08:13:06] <johnny_b> :)[08:13:14] <johnny_b> good ol' days :)[08:13:22] <jmayfield> yeah[08:14:06] <jmayfield> i made a ton of beshare/muscle clients actually[08:14:29] *** [r4] has quit IRC[08:14:41] <johnny_b> i liked BeShare pretty much[08:15:02] <jmayfield> python/bethon, web, pyqt, pygtk, and even one using boo.. heh[08:15:09] <johnny_b> :)[08:15:30] *** MatthewH12 has quit IRC[08:15:52] <johnny_b> do you remember Monni?[08:16:05] <jmayfield> yes[08:16:08] <johnny_b> :)[08:16:21] <jmayfield> made a muscle client too, right?[08:17:09] <johnny_b> i don't know but he was many times target of jokes because he worked at Microsoft :p[08:17:15] *** analogno1se has quit IRC[08:17:20] <jessicah> muscle/beshare was basically a test of using BMessaging over the network, right?[08:17:24] *** analognoise has quit IRC[08:17:50] *** analognoise has joined #haiku[08:17:53] <jmayfield> sort of.. bmessaging inspired network protocol, or somehting like that[08:18:16] <Tsyesika> back[08:22:08] <jmayfield> dunno if it was a "test", seeing as it was used to run that lighting or sound system.. or soemthign like that.. https://public.msli.com/lcs/muscle/index.html[08:23:02] <jessicah> ah, yeah, bmessaging inspired. that sounds right[08:24:08] <jmayfield> 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end up on nz weather and we're sorted![09:44:25] <Tsyesika> brobostigon what do you think?[09:45:00] <brobostigon> Tsyesika: think about what?[09:45:02] <Tsyesika> jessicah it's only inconviniant if you got stuff to do[09:45:09] <Tsyesika> brobostigon i haven't slept yet :P[09:45:16] <brobostigon> Tsyesika: :([09:45:18] <Tsyesika> starting to feel tired[09:45:23] <Tsyesika> do i sleep? or wait it out[09:46:05] <brobostigon> the former.[09:46:20] *** Vampyre has joined #haiku[09:46:52] <Tsyesika> i think this is why i just wait until i fall asleep ... working this out is far too difficult[09:52:30] <dreamed> nz time for the win - we live in your future. just don't ask us for lottery numbers.[09:52:45] <Tsyesika> :P[09:53:29] <Tsyesika> well i think i'm going to opt for going to bed[09:53:36] <Tsyesika> if i don't i'll only fall asleep anyways[09:53:50] <Tsyesika> i might as well intend to for once[09:54:36] <Tsyesika> brb folk[09:56:37] *** dcase has joined #haiku[09:59:22] *** 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tidux[16:56:33] <tidux> I'm super psyched about Haiku these days - I just need to get my netbook's keyboard fixed so I can do a fresh install from a recent nightly[16:56:47] <tidux> OpenJDK, LaTeX, and now cpuidle?[16:57:04] <Slor> I've been running the latest on my netbook - looking good[16:59:06] <tidux> I had an earlier nightly running on it, but I took it apart, upgraded the wireless card to something that wasn't a known-buggy POS... and somehow managed to mess up the keyboard's connection to the motherboard[16:59:19] <Slor> turned a slightly older workstation into a dedicated Haiku dev machine, so I guess I'm psyched too. :)[16:59:38] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[16:59:57] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[16:59:58] <tidux> cool[17:00:51] *** letharion has quit IRC[17:03:30] *** judgen has joined #haiku[17:04:49] <Slor> Is there a stable(ish) VNC Server available for Haiku? I've seen some stuff about a port released in 2010, but also later reports that maybe it didn't work so well. 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there is a project to make a filesystem resizer, but it's not ready yet[18:43:43] <Tsyesika> :)[18:43:53] <Tsyesika> thanks i never thought of making a bigger parition and just using the installer...[18:43:54] <Tsyesika> :P[18:50:46] *** wakeupnow has joined #haiku[18:52:26] *** wakeupnow has quit IRC[18:56:47] <Tsyesika> I might write a simple parser for the lastpass exported stuff[18:57:44] *** _marc` has joined #haiku[18:59:04] *** Tsyesika has quit IRC[18:59:26] *** losch has joined #haiku[18:59:50] *** Xeon3D|Zzz is now known as Xeon3D[19:00:41] *** slubman has quit IRC[19:02:34] *** losch has left #haiku[19:05:11] *** Tsyesika has joined #haiku[19:05:29] <Tsyesika> Ahh much more space now :D[19:06:15] *** dak has quit IRC[19:06:58] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[19:07:17] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[19:09:07] *** zap0 has quit IRC[19:12:46] *** Soft has quit IRC[19:12:46] *** Soft has joined #haiku[19:14:40] *** idefix_gromit has joined #haiku[19:16:05] *** JsobCloud_ has joined 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<Anarchos> hi Tsyesika[21:06:36] <Tsyesika> just got back from a bike ride[21:06:44] * Anarchos wonders why the hell they invent functions with variables arguments[21:06:52] *** nsuperbus has quit IRC[21:07:30] <HeTo> Anarchos: what's your suggestion for a printf replacement?[21:07:38] *** MatthewH12 has joined #haiku[21:07:47] <Anarchos> HeTo void printf(int argc, char**argv) :)[21:08:19] <Tsyesika> is the smily face to replace the semi colon ;)[21:08:21] <Tsyesika> (joking)[21:08:22] <HeTo> but then you'd have to reserve buffer space and convert the arguments to strings yourself[21:08:38] <Anarchos> HeTo not unfalse...[21:09:11] <Anarchos> second try : void printf(int argc, void**argv)[21:09:27] <Tsyesika> :P[21:11:55] <HeTo> I'd find int printf(const char* fmt, int argc, const void*const* args); cleaner; and it's still more cumbersome to use than a variadic printf while it doesn't actually provide any benefits; and you have to reserve buffer space for the extra pointers[21:12:20] <Anarchos> HeTo i am implementing my own naive printf on a sparc-like architecture. But i don't know how to iterate on the registers *numbers* to see how many are filled with arguments.Even if i know the number of arguments registers are difficult to track from r_i to r_(i+1)[21:12:58] <HeTo> ah, well compilers usually spill the variadic arguments on the stack when you start to enumerate them[21:13:18] <PulkoMandy> yes, they shouldn't be in registers ?[21:13:21] <Anarchos> HeTo yes it seems cumbersome to use, but for automatic tools it is unvaluable to know statically the arguments number[21:13:32] <HeTo> the SPARC ABI says the caller must reserve stack space for the callee to spill arguments in[21:14:21] <tidux> are we talking a bout a SPARC port now?[21:14:33] <HeTo> your statical tool still doesn't know the length of the argv array[21:15:31] <Anarchos> tidux no not at all.[21:16:33] <HeTo> besides which I'm not sure if void** allows for %s (char* doesn't have to be the same size as void*, and conversion from char* to void* can lose information)[21:17:06] *** tidux has left #haiku[21:17:39] <PulkoMandy> ??[21:17:53] <PulkoMandy> char* and void* are both pointers, how would they be different ?[21:18:00] <PulkoMandy> (besides alignment problems maybe)[21:18:08] <HeTo> PulkoMandy: on word-addressed computers[21:18:37] <HeTo> you don't want to waste a whole word to store a single byte if the word is over 20 bits in size, for example[21:19:03] <HeTo> but that means char* has to have the word address, plus a byte address to identify the individual byte among the many in the word[21:19:52] <HeTo> there's a PDP computer where that is actually used[21:20:21] <PulkoMandy> mh... right[21:21:24] <HeTo> and the C standard allows them to be different so for whatever reason they may be[21:23:17] *** Alam_Squeeze has quit IRC[21:24:49] *** TimKack has joined #haiku[21:25:07] <Anarchos> HeTo i suspect some PDP fan was in the C standard committee ?[21:25:18] <PulkoMandy> well, there are few things C doesn't allow[21:25:26] <PulkoMandy> besides sizeof(char)==1...[21:25:27] *** Negr0_VoP2P has joined #haiku[21:25:40] *** Alam_Squeeze has joined #haiku[21:25:50] <HeTo> Anarchos: or then the fact that Unix ran on said PDP machines[21:26:17] <Anarchos> HeTo maybe time is due to improve the standard :p[21:26:18] <HeTo> so, there was a C compiler like that before C was even standardized[21:26:42] <PulkoMandy> C can becompiled on anything, anyway, that's what make it... well, a stadard ? :)[21:27:00] <HeTo> I think some DSPs may still have word-addressed memory[21:27:15] <PulkoMandy> if it only allowed features of the cpu it was developped on (that was a PDP or something similar), it wouldn't be in use at all today[21:30:21] <PulkoMandy> Anarchos:self modifying code is usually a very bad idea on CPUs with a cache[21:30:24] <Anarchos> PulkoMandy you get the point. but char* != void * seems a little weird[21:30:48] <Anarchos> PulkoMandy i know (even if i could use the SYNCI instruction which flushes the instruction cache)[21:30:56] <PulkoMandy> either very slow because the instruction cache is invalidated, or even worse, the instruction cache is not invalidated and the change doesn't work[21:31:45] *** Colin_Finck has joined #haiku[21:31:56] *** Colin_Finck has quit IRC[21:31:56] *** Colin_Finck has joined #haiku[21:31:59] <PulkoMandy> and on most modenr OSes you will also get a segmentation fault or so trying to modify an executable section[21:32:07] <PulkoMandy> (or executing code in a data section)[21:32:12] <PulkoMandy> security first[21:33:00] *** pitelpan has quit IRC[21:35:21] <Anarchos> PulkoMandy ok i will find another solution :)[21:37:45] *** RQ has quit IRC[22:04:02] *** wuffi600 has quit IRC[22:09:20] *** idefix_gromit has left #haiku[22:15:06] *** amigamia has quit IRC[22:18:02] *** Luko has quit IRC[22:22:42] <Tsyesika> Has anyone noticed in the caya repo it's only got AOL[22:22:43] <Tsyesika> http://dev.osdrawer.net/projects/caya/repository/show/trunk/protocols[22:22:56] *** korli has quit IRC[22:24:08] <PulkoMandy> there is a separate repo called 'gpl addons' or so[22:24:10] *** Spacewalker has quit IRC[22:24:22] <PulkoMandy> because of licencing problems (rather paranoid, but...) with them[22:25:52] <Tsyesika> o :P[22:26:30] <Tsyesika> PulkoMandy found it! thanks[22:33:36] *** Hubert_ has quit IRC[22:38:15] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[22:41:35] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[22:41:35] *** JsobCloud_ is now known as JsobCloud[22:54:55] *** tqh has quit IRC[22:55:46] *** Prodito has joined #haiku[23:03:04] *** stpere has joined #haiku[23:05:32] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[23:06:38] <jessicah> Slor: there's a couple vnc servers on haikuware[23:06:51] <jessicah> not fantastically fast, but at least one of them works[23:07:01] <jessicah> connected with realvnc client, and didn't have any issues[23:07:44] * dreamed waves[23:07:54] *** luroh has quit IRC[23:08:23] <jessicah> hihi dreamed :)[23:08:25] <jessicah> how're you?[23:08:42] <dreamed> sleeeeeepy[23:08:55] <jessicah> aww =/[23:08:58] <dreamed> which is odd considering I've coffeed and been at work nearly 2 hours[23:09:00] <jessicah> i feel almost wide awake[23:09:12] <Tsyesika> i'm feeling pretty tired too :P[23:09:15] <jessicah> you've been at work for 2 hours? of course you're sleepy then[23:09:40] <jessicah> work is the anti-coffee :p[23:09:44] <dreamed> heh[23:09:51] <Tsyesika> i think i'm going to stop drinking coffee[23:09:54] <Tsyesika> move to water[23:10:01] <Tsyesika> fruit jucies[23:10:01] <dreamed> I drink at most 1 coffee a day[23:10:07] <dreamed> typically if I'm very tired[23:10:20] <Tsyesika> I don't think the coffee is any good[23:10:25] <jessicah> i dun drink coffee[23:10:32] <Tsyesika> I drink a lot[23:10:34] <Tsyesika> like a LOT[23:10:37] <dreamed> I like iced coffee. I drink a short black/espresso just to wake up[23:10:37] <jessicah> on sunday at friend's surprise birthday mini-party[23:10:44] <Tsyesika> 10 - 20 coffee's a day[23:10:50] <jessicah> they had tiramasu cake[23:10:52] <dreamed> Tsyesika: yeah, that's probably a bad thing[23:10:55] <Tsyesika> yeh[23:10:58] <dreamed> mmmmm tiramisu[23:10:58] <jessicah> with very strong coffee in it[23:11:04] *** Colin_Finck has quit IRC[23:11:07] <jessicah> zomg, i almost died[23:11:14] <jessicah> coffee was too strong for me[23:11:22] <Tsyesika> i have my coffee quite milky[23:11:30] <dreamed> aw[23:11:32] <jessicah> and then afterwards, my heart was beating faster than normal and was kinda pain[23:11:33] <Tsyesika> and when i go to starbucks or costa coffee I get a latte[23:11:48] <jessicah> pain went away after a few minutes[23:11:50] <dreamed> the reason I don't drink much is it negatively affects my blood pressure[23:11:54] <dreamed> well, most caffeine[23:11:56] <dreamed> I tend to avoid[23:12:25] <jessicah> eww, starbucks[23:12:31] <Tsyesika> :P[23:12:34] <Tsyesika> starbucks is lovely jessicah[23:12:44] <dreamed> starbucks doesn't serve coffee[23:12:47] <jessicah> go to a real cafe[23:13:03] <jessicah> starbucks is the anti-christ of cafes[23:13:08] <dreamed> lmao[23:13:09] <Tsyesika> haha[23:13:13] <geist> they have nice wifi[23:13:18] <geist> i do a lot of coding in a starbux[23:13:19] <dreamed> I'll give them that[23:13:31] <dreamed> I'm not saying I dislike some starbucks drinks[23:13:38] <dreamed> I just take issue with people who label them 'coffee' :P[23:13:40] <jessicah> yeah, good wifi[23:13:48] <geist> we have a lot of amazing coffee shops around here, but most of them are not good for hackin[23:13:54] <jessicah> but it's like a million times better going to a real cafe[23:13:58] <geist> or, i wouldn't sit there and feel like a douche on my laptop[23:14:04] <geist> starbux i have no problem doing that to[23:14:11] <Tsyesika> starbucks is like 3 min walk from the lecture usually[23:14:34] <Tsyesika> so after a boring or tough lecture me and a friend would go ... get a nice large coffee ^_^[23:14:56] <Tsyesika> caramel latte <3[23:16:32] <jessicah> omg, strong coffee smell in kitchenette =/[23:16:34] <dreamed> a friend and I used to do night skating a lot (inline), and when we finished we'd stop in at the late night starbucks for something that was once passed in front of a picture of a frappe[23:16:50] <dreamed> mm caramel[23:17:01] <Tsyesika> jessicah you don't even like the smell of coffee?[23:17:06] <Tsyesika> the smell of coffee is amazing[23:17:23] <jessicah> no, i don't[23:17:29] <jessicah> especially really strong coffee[23:17:38] <Tsyesika> second to cut grass and yes i realise cut grass and i know everyone says cut grass smells lovely but it's because it does[23:17:46] <jessicah> which one of the guys has just made on their little espresso machine =/[23:17:48] <Tsyesika> awhh man i love the smell of cut grass so much[23:18:00] <jessicah> samesies =^.^=[23:18:26] <Tsyesika> ^.^[23:19:42] <dreamed> cut grass smell makes me flinch[23:19:52] <dreamed> I used to have exceptionally bad hayfever ;)[23:20:12] <Tsyesika> awhh[23:20:18] <Tsyesika> i feel sorry for people with hayfeaver[23:20:19] <dreamed> I like forest smell more[23:20:27] <Tsyesika> they miss the summer, they miss the lovely summery smells[23:24:23] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[23:24:58] <dreamed> there are plenty of summery smells I'm okay with[23:25:00] <dreamed> including most flowers[23:25:13] <dreamed> it's just cut grass smell that I have a pavlovian response to[23:26:48] <Tsyesika> awhh[23:26:56] <Tsyesika> i do like the forest smell too[23:28:51] *** dak has quit IRC[23:33:40] *** johnny_b has quit IRC[23:38:23] *** jmayfield has joined #haiku[23:38:58] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[23:39:15] *** danielpereira has joined #haiku[23:47:27] *** [r4] has quit IRC[23:56:19] <jmayfield> hi[23:56:24] *** happy4crazy has quit IRC[23:57:06] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[23:59:15] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku