August 27, 2012 
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August 27, 2012 [00:03:03] <johndrinkwater> yeah, getting rid of some retro stuff, old Be/NeXT stuff[00:03:28] <Tsyesika> Premislaus apparently Intel Z-P230, model SSDPAMM0008G1[00:03:37] <Tsyesika> i can't confirm though that was just by some googling[00:04:09] <Tsyesika> it's ether that or a samsung[00:04:22] <Tsyesika> I wish when they changed the hardware they'd increment the model number[00:05:10] <Premislaus> Intel Z-P230 = 35MB read and 10 MB write?[00:05:13] <Premislaus> 8 GB?[00:05:19] <Tsyesika> it is 8gb[00:05:47] <Tsyesika> it's ether that or Samsung P-SSD 1800[00:07:31] <Premislaus> this is a pata\ide disk - check tickets. it does not support TRIM[00:07:47] *** Ingenu has left #haiku[00:08:27] *** kcj has joined #haiku[00:08:29] <Premislaus> I would do copy of data and low-level formatting.[00:09:11] <Premislaus> http://files.mystic-x.org/Intel_Z-P230_datasheet.PDF[00:09:39] <Premislaus> SSDPAMM0008G1 - Aspire One ZG5 ?[00:09:54] <Tsyesika> it is indeed[00:09:58] *** sikosis has quit IRC[00:10:04] <Tsyesika> damn it all the usb image is full[00:10:25] <Tsyesika> is there anyway for me to extend that[00:10:47] <Tsyesika> like i dd the anyboot image across but this usb is 8gb so :P[00:11:07] *** [r4] has quit IRC[00:11:55] <mmadia> you should be able to add another partition to it and initialize it as BFS.[00:11:57] *** curlyman has quit IRC[00:12:17] *** luroh has quit IRC[00:12:20] <mmadia> ... though, not while booted from it obviously.[00:14:47] *** johnny_b has quit IRC[00:15:19] <Premislaus> How much money you have for the new drive?[00:16:06] <Tsyesika> at the moment zilch but late september i should have a bit of spare cash[00:19:02] <Tsyesika> Premislaus at the moment i'll have to live with running off a usb pendrive[00:22:27] <Premislaus> Crucial M4 is very good and stable. In the case of SSD is important to install the new firmware. But you must wait. To check the forums, whether for somebody new firmware does not cut the hard drive to 8 MB :P[00:22:27] *** curlyman has joined #haiku[00:24:02] <Tsyesika> :P[00:24:26] <Premislaus> One of the more expensive Intel models... ;)[00:28:44] <Tsyesika> ooo[00:28:52] <Tsyesika> Premislaus how much we talking?[00:31:09] *** Lili has joined #haiku[00:31:22] *** Tsyesika has quit IRC[00:33:25] <Premislaus> http://www.techspot.com/news/44694-intel-confirms-8mb-bug-in-320-series-ssds-fix-available.html[00:36:00] *** Tsyesika has joined #haiku[00:36:44] <Premislaus> Crucial M4 costs in Poland approximately 400-450 PLN , 169.682 NZD[00:37:29] <Premislaus> 150-170 NZD[00:37:40] <Premislaus> http://pricespy.co.nz/product.php?p=873561 O.o[00:38:28] <AutowiredConstru> stolen from germany[00:38:41] <AutowiredConstru> that is why it could be so cheap[00:38:47] <Tsyesika> adding a new partition to the pendrive :)[00:41:41] <Premislaus> We are not yet a socialist dinosaur, so we have lower costs. That's why.[00:42:47] *** Blub\w has quit IRC[00:55:05] <Tsyesika> i moved the symlinked the apps folder to the data partition but the menu doesn't seem to follow the symlinks .. how can i change that? :S[00:56:41] *** Beretta021 has quit IRC[00:56:56] <Premislaus> What hrev?[00:57:24] <Tsyesika> hrev44584[00:58:03] <Premislaus> They were or are sometimes problems with symlinks in Haiku.[00:58:05] <Premislaus> hmm[00:58:42] *** Beretta021 has joined #haiku[00:59:33] <Tsyesika> Premislaus the terminal follows them but the applications menu doesn't seem ot[00:59:34] <Tsyesika> *to[01:00:01] *** HeTo has quit IRC[01:01:34] <stpere> Tsyesika, trying to understand exactly what you did.. you moved the folder /boot/system/apps to /data ?[01:01:42] <stpere> and then linked /data/apps as /boot/system/apps ?[01:02:56] *** vooshy has quit IRC[01:03:31] <Tsyesika> mv /boot/apps /Data/ && ln -s /Data/apps /boot/apps[01:03:43] <Tsyesika> o[01:03:44] <Tsyesika> forget it[01:04:08] <Tsyesika> yeh forget it, I made a mistake[01:04:13] <stpere> :)[01:04:21] <Tsyesika> sorry >.<[01:04:57] <Premislaus> stpere: http://translate.google.pl/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=pl&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fhaiku-os.pl%2Fnode%2F1487[01:05:24] *** Beretta021 has quit IRC[01:07:07] *** Beretta021 has joined #haiku[01:08:31] <stpere> Tsyesika, no problem at all![01:08:53] <stpere> Premislaus, hmm, I'm trying to figure the issue in that thread[01:09:12] <stpere> /boot/[anything] is relative to the booted system[01:09:34] <stpere> if you refer to that in mount commands in the Bootscript, on a multi Haiku system.. hmm[01:09:52] <stpere> /boot/ will change depending on which system is booted[01:10:10] <stpere> it might be /Haiku1 /Haiku2 or whatever you name your volumes.[01:11:09] <Premislaus> stpere: http://echelog.com/logs/browse/haiku/1338156000 01:58:10[01:12:03] <Premislaus> home on another partition[01:12:47] <stpere> well, yeah, it's not "supported", but it doesn't mean you can't mount a volume elsewhere[01:13:18] <stpere> you have to expect issues tho and fiddling[01:14:54] <Premislaus> ok[01:16:23] *** HeTo has joined #haiku[01:17:54] *** stargate1 has quit IRC[01:19:10] *** bjz has quit IRC[01:19:26] *** bjz has joined #haiku[01:20:13] *** Beretta021 has quit IRC[01:21:54] *** Beretta021 has joined #haiku[01:23:34] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[01:23:34] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[01:24:57] *** Postumus has joined #haiku[01:25:28] *** Tsyesika has quit IRC[01:26:03] *** Tsyesika has joined #haiku[01:26:07] <Tsyesika> awhh kernel panic :([01:27:29] <Premislaus> hmm?[01:29:19] <Tsyesika> hmm[01:29:25] <Tsyesika> I'm actually not sure what to file this against[01:29:33] <stpere> type bt[01:29:43] <Tsyesika> stpere tad late for that :P[01:29:56] <stpere> hehe, what were you doing just before?[01:29:59] <Tsyesika> it occured in block_cache.cpp:1778[01:30:00] <Tsyesika> apparently[01:30:11] <Tsyesika> stpere IRC[01:30:21] <stpere> ah I see[01:33:26] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[01:37:02] <Premislaus> I recently had the KDL, as was copying 1.5 GB file from NTFS partition to Haiku 3 GB BFS. I forgot to document, but also wrote about the cache. I think it is random...[01:38:42] <Premislaus> *when I was copying[01:38:48] <Tsyesika> http://tsyesika.co.uk/u/haiku-kernel-panic.jpg <-- kernel panic[01:40:28] *** oco2 has quit IRC[01:42:13] *** niag has quit IRC[01:46:10] *** IvoryVinyl has joined #haiku[01:46:29] <IvoryVinyl> Hello.[01:47:41] <Tsyesika> Hey IvoryVinyl[01:48:24] <IvoryVinyl> I just found the Haiku site, and I'm curious about it.[01:48:33] <Tsyesika> :)[01:48:52] <stpere> Tsyesika, hmm, interesting. were you interacting with a pdf file?[01:48:59] <stpere> right clicking? copying? opening?[01:49:13] <Tsyesika> stpere errmmm I don't think so[01:49:38] <Premislaus> Jessica, create a ticket, or find similar.[01:50:11] <Tsyesika> Premislaus I'm not sure what to file it against[01:50:43] <stpere> it might be a bug within BFS[01:50:43] <stpere> basically, it tried to write an attribute, and set the mime type of a file to application/pdf[01:51:06] <Tsyesika> hmm[01:51:15] <Tsyesika> maybe i was downloading one... I'm not sure :P[01:51:34] <stpere> that's revelant if that's the case[01:51:45] <Tsyesika> damn it i'm really not sure anymore[01:52:07] <stpere> it's a process running in the background, and it assign the attributes when the file is created[01:52:14] <stpere> (finished download)[01:52:27] <Tsyesika> yeh i'm not sure I was or not... hmm[01:53:26] *** nyl has joined #haiku[01:53:39] <IvoryVinyl> Be right back.[01:53:59] <Tsyesika> IvoryVinyl okay[01:54:07] <stpere> Tsyesika, the componant that failed is registrar[01:54:26] <stpere> (servers > registrar)[01:58:13] <IvoryVinyl> Anyway, I'm a Unix/Linux user, and I'm looking at different FOSS OS's.[01:58:43] <Tsyesika> IvoryVinyl I came from a linux background too[02:00:03] <Tsyesika> o erm.. crap[02:00:10] <Tsyesika> can some mod fix my post haha >.<[02:00:23] <Tsyesika> https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/8919[02:00:49] <Tsyesika> i would have thought it'd scale it[02:01:19] <IvoryVinyl> Awesome, Tsyesika. I'm wondering similarities, differences, etc.[02:02:20] <augiedoggie> Tsyesika: modified, you can reattach it now[02:02:46] <Tsyesika> IvoryVinyl erm it's posix complient, has bash, ls, cp, mv, dd all the kinda standard unix/linux commands... erm differences are things are split into kits such as audio kit, translation kit, etc.. It's really neat you should dd it to a spare usb if you got one handy and check it out[02:03:30] <IvoryVinyl> I've got virtualbox ready to go.[02:03:36] <Tsyesika> oh okay :) good[02:03:41] <IvoryVinyl> Downloading the ISO.[02:04:06] <Tsyesika> I'm not good at just generating lists :P[02:04:19] <Tsyesika> but if you have any questions ether I or someone else will most likely be happy to answer them[02:04:27] <Premislaus> Haiku on virtual machine is so slow.[02:04:56] <stpere> Premislaus, not that bad actually[02:05:13] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[02:05:23] <Tsyesika> obviously faster on real hardware but it's not something i really... think of when i think haiku under vm[02:06:02] <IvoryVinyl> I expected that.[02:06:54] *** bjz has quit IRC[02:07:00] <IvoryVinyl> Luckily, there's a mirror in Illinois. That's only a state away.[02:07:04] *** LeandroLuiz has joined #haiku[02:07:15] *** Negr0_VoP2P has quit IRC[02:07:22] <Premislaus> http://translate.google.pl/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=pl&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fforum.jagged-alliance.pl%2Fwymagania-sprzetowe-ja-back-in-action-t2738.html%23p50903[02:08:07] <Premislaus> ...[02:10:34] <stpere> when he says 5x faster, that cannot be a numerical 5x, there are pratically no common benchmark. the best I can tell, is try it for yourself[02:11:04] <Premislaus> no, only real hardware for me ;)[02:11:14] <Tsyesika> I run haiku on real hardware too :P[02:11:23] <stpere> in a VM, the guest tools is a large part of the 'fluidity' of the experience[02:11:37] <stpere> which basically means a graphical driver for the VM[02:12:09] <stpere> anyway, if you can run it on real hardware, good! but in a VM it's not that bad[02:13:02] <IvoryVinyl> I'm going to start out on a VM, and move to a USB stick if I like it.[02:13:08] <Tsyesika> :)[02:13:14] <Tsyesika> sounds fiar[02:13:15] <Tsyesika> *fair[02:13:36] <Premislaus> Unfortunately, on my home computer, I do not have internet in Haiku. :'-([02:13:55] <Tsyesika> awhh :([02:14:01] <IvoryVinyl> I need something a little more portable than Ubuntu or Arch Linux.[02:14:11] <Tsyesika> my desktop has ethernet and this netbook has a support atheros wifi card[02:14:23] <Tsyesika> so i'm all good in that respect[02:14:48] <Premislaus> i have supported card...[02:15:06] <Tsyesika> what's the problem then?[02:15:23] <jessicah> Tsyesika: i think you've had that same kernel panic before[02:15:26] <jessicah> in the past week[02:15:32] <Tsyesika> I have?[02:15:37] <jessicah> i've seen that failed assertion before[02:15:53] <Tsyesika> jessicah i'll look through my past bugs[02:16:07] <Premislaus> http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/8295[02:16:09] <Tsyesika> i hope not I always look like a prat[02:16:54] <Tsyesika> you're right jessicah[02:17:08] <Tsyesika> jessicah that was the one which nuked my programming[02:18:43] <jessicah> so maybe worth making your latest ticket refer to the other one :)[02:18:51] <Tsyesika> jessicah just done it :P[02:19:11] <Tsyesika> jessicah thanks[02:19:40] <IvoryVinyl> I don't like my slow Internet.[02:20:01] <jessicah> it's good to have an issue that's somehow repeatable :)[02:20:13] <IvoryVinyl> Be right back again.[02:20:28] <Tsyesika> jessicah I'm not so sure it is :P that time i was coding this time i was just on IRC :P[02:20:32] <Tsyesika> maybe downloaidng some files[02:21:18] <stpere> it's a server running in the background, the common action might not be obvious, nor related to your immediate actions[02:21:32] <stpere> like, it could be at the end of a download, or the save of a file[02:21:37] <jessicah> it's the cache being flushed afaict[02:22:19] <jessicah> it's hard to tell with these sorts of things :)[02:23:12] <jessicah> oh, no, i read wrong, lol[02:23:58] <jessicah> anyways, how is everybody? :)[02:24:14] <Tsyesika> I'm good thanks jessicah![02:24:31] <jessicah> :)[02:24:48] <jessicah> stpere: yay, my patch got added i see :)[02:25:01] <Tsyesika> jessicah what was your patch for?[02:25:10] <jessicah> i'm up to two commits :D[02:25:20] <jessicah> fixed dragging of icon in filetypes prefs[02:25:23] <Tsyesika> I want some committsss :P[02:25:35] <Tsyesika> I guess to do that i gotta write code XD[02:25:55] <jessicah> mine have been basically 1-2 line patches :p[02:26:24] <Tsyesika> :P patches non the less jessicah ;)[02:27:24] <stpere> jessicah, yup! congrats :)[02:28:07] <stpere> well, 1-2 lines patches are good.[02:29:17] <Tsyesika> the more simple, the better[02:29:23] <stpere> you often start with the idea that the dev that wrote the code isn't idiot, so it was either working in most cases but missed a corner case, or something changed elsewhere since.. so trying to find the simplest change that fix the issue often ends in a very short patch[02:29:32] <Tsyesika> if it can be done in 1-2 lines, you don't want to do it in 10[02:29:57] <stpere> but if I wrote the code in the first place, that hypothesis fails and you can consider the dev was an idiot :P[02:30:05] <jessicah> :p[02:30:27] <jessicah> that's why i love pair programming[02:30:29] <Tsyesika> I'm thinking of trying to fix Cayay a bit[02:30:29] <Tsyesika> :P[02:30:31] <Tsyesika> *Caya[02:30:37] <Tsyesika> it's bugging me Caya is broken[02:31:22] <jessicah> because it's just two of you working on something, you're less likely to step on each others toes; doesn't need a lot of organisation, and generally easier to quickly review each others code :)[02:31:51] <Tsyesika> I do very little pair programming[02:32:22] <Tsyesika> I ether submit a patch on a very large project with a lot of devs or i'm the main dev on the project and it's only every now and then others submit anything[02:32:28] <jessicah> i don't anymore. but a lot of work that went into snowflake was basically a result of pair programming[02:32:44] <Tsyesika> who did you work with?[02:32:57] <jessicah> froggey & nick[02:33:13] <jessicah> froggey helped a lot with C side of things (xyzzy knows froggey)[02:33:23] <Tsyesika> cool[02:33:25] <jessicah> and nick helped with a couple drivers[02:33:37] <jessicah> and the read-only tar filesystem[02:33:48] <Tsyesika> I really wanna port the linux driver for the SD card reader to haiku[02:33:58] <Tsyesika> it's bugging me i have an SD slot but no driver :P[02:34:06] <stpere> that would be a good project :)[02:34:35] <jessicah> sd card needs a special driver?[02:34:40] <stpere> mine does[02:34:48] <IvoryVinyl> That would be cool.[02:34:51] <Tsyesika> jessicah well... currently in haiku it doesn't work but in linux it does[02:35:01] <Tsyesika> so draw your own conclusions[02:35:11] <stpere> it's really bad :P it doesn't work in Ubuntu and research points to a special kernel module to install[02:35:13] <jessicah> weird. i'd have thought it just looks like a removable mass storage device on usb[02:35:59] <Tsyesika> stpere I know the driver for mine is open as I ran a distro with a libre kernel :)[02:37:17] <augiedoggie> would probably be better to port the bsd version if it exists[02:37:58] <IvoryVinyl> Back for now.[02:38:31] <Tsyesika> augiedoggie I'll have to track down the driver and see if freebsd has got it[02:38:46] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[02:39:08] <IvoryVinyl> Question: What audio codecs does Haiku have?[02:39:39] <augiedoggie> should be everything that ffmpeg can handle[02:41:10] <IvoryVinyl> Cool.[02:41:51] <Tsyesika> IvoryVinyl it's handled everything i've thrown at it so far :)[02:42:12] <IvoryVinyl> I'm a FLAC user, so it should work out.[02:44:04] <Tsyesika> Yep should be fine[02:44:11] <IvoryVinyl> Awesome.[02:46:20] *** CommanderSpleen has joined #haiku[02:46:22] <IvoryVinyl> I just had the sudden urge to watch MST3K.[02:47:31] *** bob_ok has joined #haiku[02:48:42] *** jimage has quit IRC[02:51:24] <IvoryVinyl> What kind of bootloader does Haiku have?[02:52:22] <Tsyesika> IvoryVinyl Bootman it's it's own bootloader though you can chainload with grub[02:53:14] <Tsyesika> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bootman <-- more info there[02:53:21] <geist> your SD slot may be sdhci based[02:53:34] <geist> which is totally different than usb mass storage[02:53:49] <IvoryVinyl> Awesome.[03:00:19] <IvoryVinyl> Since I plan to use this on a USB, Bootman should work okay for me.[03:00:38] <Tsyesika> :)[03:01:16] <Tsyesika> IvoryVinyl you should have no problem dd the image across onto the usb drive, select in your bios to boot from it and you should see it boot into haiku :)[03:02:40] <IvoryVinyl> Done the same thing with my external hard drive. Should work well.[03:03:02] <Tsyesika> :)[03:04:18] <IvoryVinyl> Download's at 88%.[03:05:11] <IvoryVinyl> So did anyone hear about Neil Armstrong?[03:05:36] <Tsyesika> I haven't[03:05:48] <IvoryVinyl> He passed away.[03:06:54] <Tsyesika> Real!!![03:06:57] <Tsyesika> *really[03:06:58] <Tsyesika> >.<[03:07:07] <Tsyesika> how old was he?[03:07:17] <IvoryVinyl> Yeah. Yesterday at 88.[03:07:47] <augiedoggie> try again[03:08:16] <stpere> 82[03:08:46] <IvoryVinyl> Oh.[03:08:46] *** qptain_Nemo has quit IRC[03:09:15] <Tsyesika> Oh, okay[03:10:08] *** qptain_Nemo has joined #haiku[03:10:38] <jessicah> did you see the news fail that said neil young died? :p[03:11:01] <jessicah> http://wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/80450F/ultimateclassicrock.com/files/2012/08/NBC-Neil-Young.jpg[03:11:05] <IvoryVinyl> No, but that is interesting.[03:11:14] *** mmadia has left #haiku[03:11:15] <Tsyesika> haha :P[03:11:23] <Tsyesika> oh lol[03:11:42] <Tsyesika> jessicah that just made my day[03:12:00] <IvoryVinyl> At least they didn't say Lance Armstrong.[03:12:08] <stpere> jessicah, oh. my. god[03:12:19] <jessicah> hahaha, that would be way funnier, IvoryVinyl[03:12:32] <jessicah> astronaut lance armstrong dies at 82[03:12:41] <jessicah> ;-)[03:12:55] <stpere> when I saw the headlines, I thought something really bad happened to Lance :P "Armstrong dies".. oh shit, that's not his week![03:13:10] <IvoryVinyl> Or: Astronaut Louis Armstrong dies at 82.[03:13:30] <jessicah> hah! yeah, that would've been real sad...[03:14:34] <jessicah> that has got to be the most ridiculous boot screen i ever seen (win8 install dvd)[03:14:34] <IvoryVinyl> Here's a news story: http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/green/wildlife-news/110609/canada-wildlife-news-flying-black-bear-car-accident[03:15:09] <Tsyesika> jessicah is that the fish one?[03:15:14] <jessicah> fish?[03:15:18] <Tsyesika> maybe not :P[03:15:25] <Tsyesika> I swear the windows 8 boot up had a fish[03:15:34] <jessicah> it's just four rectangles in silly perspective with a couple dots in a kind of loading circle[03:15:44] <jessicah> mebbe. not in vbox[03:16:07] <Tsyesika> I swear it wa sa fish... maybe i'm going crazy[03:16:27] <jessicah> yeah maybe on real hardware[03:16:42] <IvoryVinyl> Fun Fact: I crashed Windows 8 in one day, but in a VM.[03:16:45] <Tsyesika> jessicah it was the developer preview[03:17:23] <jessicah> i have the win8 enterprise installer[03:18:19] <Tsyesika> jessicah I hate windows 8[03:18:49] *** CommanderSpleen has quit IRC[03:19:18] <IvoryVinyl> My thoughts: Not Recommended.[03:20:21] <IvoryVinyl> Installing on the VM.[03:20:27] <jessicah> well, i need to test and see what it's like. eventually people may start asking about it. it'll be good for our team to already be familiar with it and have formed an initial opinion/impression[03:20:39] <Tsyesika> yeh[03:20:44] <IvoryVinyl> I understand that.[03:20:45] <Tsyesika> jessicah i played with it for a few hours[03:20:57] <Tsyesika> it may have changed since i did tho[03:21:23] <IvoryVinyl> I completely killed it in about 2 hours.[03:22:48] <IvoryVinyl> How do you recommend partitioning it?[03:23:05] <IvoryVinyl> Haiku I mean.[03:23:56] <Tsyesika> IvoryVinyl I usually do about 1.5 gig for the system and whatever left for the data because it's nightly I typically re-install often (no updater as of yet)[03:24:22] <IvoryVinyl> Thanks.[03:26:49] <IvoryVinyl> Aha! I figured out a partition editor that's not GParted![03:27:08] <Tsyesika> haha :)[03:27:53] <IvoryVinyl> I've used Parted Magic for everything for almost a year now.[03:28:53] <IvoryVinyl> The DE looks like XFCE. Is it?[03:29:39] <Tsyesika> it's not xfce no[03:30:01] <Tsyesika> IvoryVinyl it's written from scratch by the haiku folk to be like the one they used on BeOS[03:30:11] <Tsyesika> which is what the entire OS has been written in the vain of[03:30:16] <Tsyesika> *vane[03:30:19] <Tsyesika> i donno how to spell P[03:30:21] <Tsyesika> * :P[03:30:45] <IvoryVinyl> Sweet. Lol. I can't spell either. I'm lost without spell check.[03:31:02] <jessicah> vein[03:31:22] *** CommanderSpleen has joined #haiku[03:31:55] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[03:32:06] <Tsyesika> jessicah thanks :P)[03:32:35] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[03:32:35] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[03:32:40] <IvoryVinyl> So far, the installation is very simple.[03:32:54] <Tsyesika> yep, fast too[03:33:00] <Tsyesika> few minutes you got the entire OS on[03:33:17] <IvoryVinyl> I've noticed. Pretty cool.[03:34:04] <Tsyesika> much quicker than that 20 minute wait for ubuntu or smiliar or 30/40 minute wait sometimes for windows[03:34:39] <IvoryVinyl> Or the 8 hours I spent with Gentoo Linux.[03:35:16] <Tsyesika> IvoryVinyl I run gentoo well now funtoo as the my linux distro as choice[03:35:22] <Tsyesika> I can get a system up within a few hours[03:35:24] <Tsyesika> 3 maybe[03:36:21] <IvoryVinyl> I have to look into Funtoo as well. So far my fav Linux distro is Arch Linux.[03:37:28] <geist> huh, never looked at funtoo. will have to give it a whirl[03:38:18] <jessicah> oh. my. god.[03:38:26] <jessicah> windows 8 is disgusting[03:38:27] <Tsyesika> its gentoo with some more cool stuff... git based portage tree, flora overlay in main tree, UTF-8 by default (tho it's easy to enable in gentoo), different networking stuff[03:38:29] <Tsyesika> jessicah told you :P[03:38:46] <jessicah> what the heckle were they smoking to come up with such an insanely awful install experience?[03:38:51] <Tsyesika> jessicah I take it you've met metro then[03:38:53] <jessicah> "Hi"[03:39:00] <jessicah> "something something something"[03:39:17] <jessicah> now i'm at a colour changing solid screen while "setting up computer"[03:39:20] <jessicah> so eww[03:39:20] <Tsyesika> jessicah it's because they want everyone to buy their new table thingies[03:39:39] <Tsyesika> and want everything to look like their windows phone series 7 w/e that no one uses[03:40:06] <Tsyesika> I literally know no one who owns a windows phone series 7 phone thing[03:40:20] <Tsyesika> and I know quite a few people[03:40:29] <IvoryVinyl> Neither do I.[03:40:29] <Tsyesika> even if they're only aquantences[03:41:04] <Tsyesika> iphones, android, blackburry... I know some people who still have symbian devices erm[03:41:30] <IvoryVinyl> My mom had a Symbian device not too long ago.[03:41:30] <Tsyesika> I know someone who has a nokia n9000 with meamo (spelt wrong probably) but no one with a microsoft thingy[03:42:17] <bob_ok> this is beyond me... it's like... oh man. Win8 could just detect that x86 version is being installed on a frikken tablet and turn on all the Metroid stuff, it not - just stay in Aero[03:42:18] <IvoryVinyl> I know HTC made one Windows Phone, and it was for US. Cellular.[03:42:18] <Tsyesika> printing is handled by the interface kit? :s[03:42:19] <bob_ok> but nooooooo[03:42:37] <bob_ok> *if not[03:42:43] *** backb0ne has quit IRC[03:43:30] *** backb0ne has joined #haiku[03:43:43] <IvoryVinyl> I didn't want to see Metro on a Desktop.[03:43:56] <bob_ok> this_is_the_fine_example_why_we_can't_have_nice_things.jpg[03:44:06] <bob_ok> IvoryVinyl: totally agree[03:44:17] <jessicah> the epitome of failure[03:44:24] <jessicah> it's Windows ME all over again[03:44:42] <IvoryVinyl> Are you sure you want to go THAT far?[03:44:46] <Tsyesika> ooo the opengl kit maybe I could make a chemical modelling piece of software[03:44:50] <Tsyesika> how cool would that be? :)[03:44:50] <jessicah> it is hideous[03:45:03] <jessicah> even the ancient BeOS UI is infinitely better[03:45:07] <hamishm> well the interface kit has BPrintJob[03:45:18] <hamishm> but most of the actual printing stuff is handled by the print server[03:45:23] <Tsyesika> hamishm ah i see[03:45:36] <Tsyesika> that makes sense[03:45:39] <bob_ok> at least they could've made some fancy skin to distinguish it from Win7 aero, like this mockup: http://www.theverge.com/2012/2/25/2824064/incredible-mockup-of-windows-desktop-gone-metro[03:46:36] <IvoryVinyl> I'm not sure what just happened. I looked away from the Haiku VM, and the screen is black now.[03:46:44] <Tsyesika> D:[03:46:48] <Tsyesika> IvoryVinyl screen saver?[03:47:04] <IvoryVinyl> Oh, silly me.[03:47:07] <Tsyesika> :P[03:47:38] <jessicah> win8 in vbox is horrendously slow too[03:47:47] <jessicah> haiku is like a breeze in comparison[03:48:10] <Tsyesika> jessicah are you suggesting switching the university to haiku ;)[03:48:40] <stpere> heh.. some administrators might not be pleased by the word alpha in the version :P[03:48:47] <IvoryVinyl> Win8 is not too bad in VMware Player, but installing VMware tools is how I crashed it.[03:49:56] <Tsyesika> stpere we can edit that out :P[03:50:01] <stpere> lol[03:50:05] <Tsyesika> they don't have to know ;)[03:50:15] <Tsyesika> it'll be out little secret ^.^[03:50:33] <IvoryVinyl> bob_ok That would have been nice for a desktop.[03:51:26] <bob_ok> every time i press start button it's this frikken screen. I tried Metr8 with my laptop (used to run so slow in Win7) but couldn't deal with all of that. Then I tried new nightly build of Haiku and it all worked, including wifi, card reader and some other things. Only thing that is missing is the radeon driver (read: correct resolution) for my cheapshit gfxchip on the laptops board. Haiku is "stupid fast, insaneo fast" on it with 2 Gigs[03:51:26] <bob_ok> of Ram. Now there's Haiku and Xubuntu on that laptop's HDD, for good.[03:52:35] <IvoryVinyl> Something interesting my program director pointed out: Microsoft always had trouble with the even numbered releases.[03:53:14] <bob_ok> So I get why there's metro for a touchscreen device / tablet system, but for a desktop/workstation actual production system? r u fkken kiddin me? Is there a Pro version planned without all of that?[03:53:33] <jessicah> i have enterprise, comes with metro[03:53:40] <jessicah> haven't domain joined it yet[03:53:40] <bob_ok> oh wow[03:53:43] <jessicah> but we'll see[03:53:53] <bob_ok> no Classic gui even?[03:54:06] <jessicah> you can click the tile to go to the desktop[03:54:10] <jessicah> which has no start button?![03:54:32] <bob_ok> no, I mean the way to turn off the aeroglass, like in 7[03:54:43] <bob_ok> I failed to found "classic mode"[03:54:47] <bob_ok> *find[03:55:15] <IvoryVinyl> I hope they don't have it in the Server Edition.[03:55:19] <jessicah> i can't find a way to turn on aero glass[03:55:42] <bob_ok> IvoryVinyl: oh yeah, that'd be... "amazing"[03:56:24] <IvoryVinyl> As I said on a forum: "It's a different desktop experience" is a nice way to put it.[03:57:18] <bob_ok> I bet it's cool on a touchscreen iMac like all-in-one, oh... forgot how they call the one from HP[03:57:48] <bob_ok> but not on a "normal" desktop, no sir[03:58:03] <stpere> night[03:58:14] <IvoryVinyl> The HP thing probably has "Smart" in the name.[03:58:18] <IvoryVinyl> Night stpere.[03:58:19] *** stpere has quit IRC[03:58:44] <IvoryVinyl> TouchSmart. That's it.[03:58:49] *** stpere has joined #haiku[04:01:07] *** curlyman has quit IRC[04:06:22] <bob_ok> speaking of the portable devices, I'd like to see Haiku doing it's thing on a Intel x86 smartphones with the dock-for-a-full-desktop mode like "Ubuntu for Android".[04:06:28] <bob_ok> http://cdn0.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/3118682/4thunderbird_1020_gallery_post.jpg[04:06:29] *** LeandroLuiz has quit IRC[04:06:46] <bob_ok> i'm aware that UfA is arm-based, but what if[04:06:56] <IvoryVinyl> That would be cool.[04:07:45] <bob_ok> them x86 smartphones/tablets might be a nice starting point for a possible mobile touchscreen Haiku incarnation[04:08:52] <IvoryVinyl> It may be a little hard to do since Android is a Monolithic Kernel.[04:09:13] <IvoryVinyl> Haiku is Hybrid, isn't it?[04:09:39] <IvoryVinyl> *has a Monolithic Kernel.[04:10:21] <bob_ok> Haiku without video drivers is way faster than ubuntu with Unity2D (with the actual video drivers on) on my good ol' laptop, so I bet it may be similar on those lil things in terms of performance.[04:11:31] <bob_ok> i believe there's couple of Atom-based Intel smartphones already out or just about to be released[04:11:49] <IvoryVinyl> True with Unity2D.[04:12:09] <IvoryVinyl> I have an old Centrino Laptop.[04:13:38] <IvoryVinyl> And Haiku is now installed.[04:13:40] *** bjz has joined #haiku[04:16:55] <IvoryVinyl> I love that it opens a new window when you open a folder. It's so retro.[04:17:04] *** curlyman has joined #haiku[04:18:36] <augiedoggie> I think the majority of people turn off spatial browsing and use the single-window navigation[04:18:37] <bob_ok> IvoryVinyl: you can change that, go to the Tracker settings[04:18:53] <IvoryVinyl> Okay.[04:18:58] <bob_ok> I don't like it that much, so I use single-window browsing[04:19:13] <bob_ok> or do a right-click folder browsing, it's so cool[04:19:51] *** bjz has quit IRC[04:20:43] <IvoryVinyl> Um, how do you get to the Tracker settings?[04:21:03] <bob_ok> Leaf Menu > Preferences > Tracker[04:21:14] <bob_ok> or should I say Haiku menu :)[04:21:20] *** bjz has joined #haiku[04:22:02] <IvoryVinyl> Something tells me this would be much faster on physical hardware.[04:22:30] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[04:22:30] <bob_ok> Haiku? try if for yourself on a usb stick and feel the difference[04:22:47] <Tsyesika> awhh no i just broke installoptionalpackages[04:22:48] <Tsyesika> fml[04:22:56] <Tsyesika> that was a bad idea[04:23:42] <IvoryVinyl> Okay. Time to burn a CD.[04:23:52] <Premislaus> augiedoggie: I use vertical deskbar, and single view with navigator.[04:23:59] *** HaikuUser is now known as chagrin[04:24:22] <chagrin> Haiku is coming along nicely ;)[04:24:22] <bob_ok> It's way faster on usb stick though, I'd use live cd only to install Haiku on hdd[04:25:13] <bob_ok> I guess the reason why linux livecds are faster because they use some kind of ramdisk-fs[04:25:19] <Premislaus> In Haiku vertical is better than horizontal, for me.[04:25:28] <Premislaus> *vertical deskbar[04:26:23] <bob_ok> you can change that too, but windows still cover it when it's on top or bottom[04:26:34] <bob_ok> Deskbar I mean[04:26:51] <IvoryVinyl> I've got a 2GB USB formating.[04:27:25] <bob_ok> i usually test nightly builds on 2gb stick too[04:28:37] <IvoryVinyl> I assume installing it on a stick is different from installing Linux on a stick.[04:30:16] <Premislaus> IvoryVinyl: http://www.haiku-os.org/docs/userguide/en/contents.html[04:30:18] <Premislaus> http://www.haiku-os.org/guides/installing/making_haiku_usb_stick[04:30:48] <IvoryVinyl> Just found that using Google. Lol.[04:30:49] *** bjz has quit IRC[04:31:16] <Premislaus> hmm?[04:31:30] *** ismd has joined #haiku[04:31:51] <IvoryVinyl> I Googled "Install Haiku on usb" and that site came up.[04:31:56] <IvoryVinyl> *page[04:32:05] <Premislaus> ok[04:34:03] *** pseudomind has joined #haiku[04:34:50] <bob_ok> Win32DiskImager works for me[04:36:59] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[04:37:17] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[04:38:32] <IvoryVinyl> Alright. We're good it looks like.[04:38:37] *** cherrypie has joined #haiku[04:39:22] <IvoryVinyl> I'm going to restart and see how it turns out.[04:39:55] <IvoryVinyl> Be right back.[04:40:09] *** IvoryVinyl has quit IRC[04:40:17] *** bjz has joined #haiku[04:40:17] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[04:40:28] <jstressman> does the VESA mode you can do in Haiku depend on the vid chip, monitor, or combination of the two?[04:40:54] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[04:40:55] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[04:40:58] <augiedoggie> yes[04:41:30] <jstressman> there were 3 options. ;)[04:41:44] <augiedoggie> yes, yes, yes ?[04:42:16] <jstressman> well, if my monitor supports 1920x1200 vesa, do I need to figure out if my card does as well in order to actually be able to use it?[04:42:27] <jstressman> I'm guessing "yes", from your response. :P[04:42:37] <augiedoggie> I don't think that's one of the vesa resolutions[04:43:19] <augiedoggie> it would have to be a special feature of the graphics bios in order to support that(usually on a laptop)[04:43:45] *** IvoryVinyl has joined #haiku[04:43:57] <IvoryVinyl> Must have done something wrong.[04:44:09] <jstressman> http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/MONITORS/u2412m/en/ug/about.htm[04:44:30] *** bjz has quit IRC[04:44:34] <jstressman> under preset display modes: "VESA, 1920 x 1200"[04:44:44] <augiedoggie> notice the comma[04:44:48] <jstressman> so I'm looking at the card specs...[04:45:08] <augiedoggie> 1920x1200 is not a vesa resolution[04:46:12] <IvoryVinyl> Do you install the bootloader when you install it on USB like that?[04:46:47] <augiedoggie> IvoryVinyl: you dd'ed the image or you ran the actual haiku installer?[04:46:59] <IvoryVinyl> dd[04:47:14] <augiedoggie> then no, but some machines are picky about the type of image[04:47:20] <augiedoggie> raw vs. anyboot[04:48:20] <IvoryVinyl> I think I used raw.[04:48:21] *** HeTo has quit IRC[04:48:41] <augiedoggie> anyboot usually has a better success rate[04:48:44] <bob_ok> i usually install anyboot on usb stick and install bootloader after install[04:48:46] *** HeTo has joined #haiku[04:48:55] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[04:49:00] <chagrin> how do you get custom Attributes to display in Tracker?[04:49:04] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[04:49:05] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[04:49:21] <augiedoggie> chagrin: I believe it has to be an indexed attribute[04:49:37] *** bjz has joined #haiku[04:49:38] <chagrin> Ah, user guide should say that somewhere ;)[04:49:48] <augiedoggie> then right click on the column list and it should be there[04:50:02] <augiedoggie> if files in that dir have those attributes[04:51:18] <jstressman> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VESA_BIOS_Extensions#Modes_defined_by_VESA[04:51:28] <jstressman> from what I'm reading there's no reason you can't use 1920x1200 VESA.[04:51:32] <IvoryVinyl> Downloading the anyboot.[04:51:52] <jstressman> modern mode usage allows the mode to be defined and not just selected from predefined numbers.[04:52:42] <augiedoggie> iirc, that's VBE3 that supports extended modes[04:52:54] <augiedoggie> you notice the list of common ones only does 4:3 aspect[04:53:21] *** HeTo has quit IRC[04:53:31] *** chagrin has quit IRC[04:54:13] *** HeTo has joined #haiku[04:58:11] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[05:01:27] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[05:01:41] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[05:01:48] <augiedoggie> HaikuUser: what part of Denver?[05:01:52] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[05:01:52] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[05:01:52] *** HaikuUser is now known as chagrin[05:02:00] *** qptain_Nemo has quit IRC[05:02:13] <chagrin> augiedoggie: Wash park[05:02:29] <augiedoggie> nice, I'm out at 225 & Mississippi myself[05:02:46] <chagrin> Hey, so I still can't still cant see custom attributes in Tracker[05:02:58] <augiedoggie> yeah, I'm looking at it right now[05:03:06] <augiedoggie> been a while since I messed with that[05:04:08] <chagrin> I added an attribute META:Test, and added an index on it[05:04:12] <chagrin> reindexed, and rebooted[05:04:33] *** HeTo has quit IRC[05:06:24] <chagrin> augiedoggie: are you involved in the Haiku project?[05:06:40] <chagrin> I just kinda check it out every couple of years to see what progress is happening[05:07:04] <augiedoggie> ports admin, irc troll :P[05:07:25] <chagrin> ports as in package management?[05:07:30] <augiedoggie> eh, sort of[05:07:35] *** radeschi_ has joined #haiku[05:07:41] <chagrin> or I should say like bsd ports?[05:07:45] <augiedoggie> right[05:07:52] <chagrin> right on, didn't know it existed[05:08:01] <augiedoggie> http://ports.haiku-files.org[05:08:23] *** radeschi has quit IRC[05:09:19] <chagrin> installing now ;)[05:10:03] <jessicah> hahahaha. haiku officially has better hardware support than windows 8 ;-)[05:10:12] <jessicah> "We couldn't find any drives"[05:10:25] <jessicah> install AHCI driver from HP, still the same[05:10:34] <jessicah> haiku likes my computer though :)[05:10:48] <IvoryVinyl> Nice.[05:11:44] <IvoryVinyl> Gilbert Gottfried should do audiobooks.[05:17:50] <augiedoggie> chagrin: it has to be an "Extra Attribute" in FileTypes before it shows up[05:18:13] <augiedoggie> not sure if it requires indexing or not[05:19:10] <augiedoggie> doesn't appear so, it still shows up after I rmindex'ed it[05:19:37] <chagrin> awesome[05:19:51] <chagrin> now who do I get on to update the user guide? :D[05:20:30] <augiedoggie> eh, humdinger wrote most of it, he may be here in a few hours[05:20:41] <augiedoggie> otherwise file a ticket[05:22:15] <chagrin> tx[05:23:52] *** ismd has quit IRC[05:26:08] *** Lili has quit IRC[05:31:44] *** jstressman has quit IRC[05:35:12] *** ismd has joined #haiku[05:35:44] <chagrin> there should be a FK/Link attribute type[05:35:54] <chagrin> or maybe just "filepath"[05:40:22] *** amigamia has joined #haiku[05:41:22] *** bilhix has joined #haiku[05:42:26] <chagrin> auggiedoggie: why is installhaikuporter.sh giving me 'unrecongized option --group' on notify?[05:42:55] <augiedoggie> yeah, scott needs to fix that script[05:43:14] <augiedoggie> that option was changed in the command line notify app[05:43:21] *** Beretta021 has quit IRC[05:43:26] <augiedoggie> I think it will continue past that[05:44:41] *** bilhix has quit IRC[05:45:12] *** Beretta021 has joined #haiku[05:46:16] *** bob_ok has quit IRC[05:46:47] <chagrin> yep[05:50:15] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[05:55:41] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[06:11:50] <IvoryVinyl> I think I messed up.[06:12:10] *** duvjones has joined #haiku[06:13:05] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[06:16:04] *** Beretta021 has quit IRC[06:18:03] *** Beretta021 has joined #haiku[06:18:47] <IvoryVinyl> "Disk /dev/sdc doesn't contain a valid partition table" That's not a good sign.[06:21:19] <IvoryVinyl> Any help?[06:21:30] *** cherrypai has joined #haiku[06:23:40] *** cherrypie has quit IRC[06:23:41] <CIA-58> haiku.r1alpha4: nielx * hrevr1alpha4-44572 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=6207466 : Update translations from Pootle[06:37:30] <IvoryVinyl> I got to go to bed. Night.[06:37:43] *** IvoryVinyl has quit IRC[06:47:16] *** ddavid123 has joined #haiku[06:48:00] <ddavid123> This may be a stupid question but what does the runtime loader do?[06:48:27] <ddavid123> Load the servers?[06:49:13] <ddavid123> Is it Haiku's version of Init?[06:58:01] *** hamishm has quit IRC[06:58:18] *** XenoDuck has quit IRC[06:58:22] <OmniMancer> it loads executables and dynamic libs[07:03:52] <ddavid123> Thanks OmniMancer[07:04:51] <geist> right. haiku has a user space loader, unlike original beos which did all of that in the kernel[07:07:00] <OmniMancer> does that mean you could write a loader that could load objects in other formats geist?[07:07:06] *** hamishm has joined #haiku[07:09:46] *** pseudomind has quit IRC[07:11:04] *** hamishm has joined #haiku[07:12:01] *** Prodito has joined #haiku[07:12:41] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[07:13:52] *** hamishm has quit IRC[07:14:05] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[07:14:51] *** hamishm has joined #haiku[07:15:29] *** jstressman has joined #haiku[07:15:56] *** hamishm has quit IRC[07:16:06] *** hamishm has joined #haiku[07:18:43] *** chagrin has quit IRC[07:18:48] *** hamishm has quit IRC[07:18:58] *** hamishm has joined #haiku[07:21:10] *** Slor has joined #haiku[07:23:17] *** hamishm has quit IRC[07:23:27] *** hamishm has joined #haiku[07:24:47] <Slor> hello folks[07:28:11] <geist> OmniMancer: yeah, pretty much[07:28:44] *** Beretta021 has quit IRC[07:31:50] *** hamishm_ has joined #haiku[07:31:50] *** hamishm has quit IRC[07:31:56] *** vezhlys has quit IRC[07:32:54] *** hamishm_ has quit IRC[07:33:38] *** hamishm has joined #haiku[07:38:42] *** hamishm has quit IRC[07:40:07] *** hamishm has joined #haiku[07:42:28] *** hamishm has quit IRC[07:42:38] *** hamishm has joined #haiku[07:43:08] *** bjz has quit IRC[07:43:10] *** hamishm has quit IRC[07:43:19] *** hamishm has joined #haiku[07:49:11] <jstressman> anyone know any way to read a BFS drive from windows aside from http://www.skyos.org/?q=node/622 ?[07:49:36] <Prodito> jstressman: lol, i was looking for the same thing a couple hours ago, no luck[07:49:37] <jstressman> if I run that as administrator it does see 1 of my drives, but not the other (which is the one I need to get to).[07:50:11] <jstressman> crappo. I should write the author and inquire again about him releasing the code. :) he seems more than willing... just nobody followed up on it apparently.[07:50:59] <Prodito> jstressman: well haiku's open source i think it shouldn't be a problem to write a driver for windows[07:54:08] <jstressman> reading http://www.freelists.org/post/haiku-3rdparty-dev/BFS-reader-for-windows-code[07:54:11] <jstressman> before I contact him.[07:57:06] *** curlyman has quit IRC[07:57:19] <jstressman> sent.[08:02:17] *** redblue has left #haiku[08:02:31] <Prodito> jstressman ok ;)[08:05:13] *** ismd has quit IRC[08:05:17] *** Mazon has quit IRC[08:07:35] *** Mazon has joined #haiku[08:08:27] *** curlyman has joined #haiku[08:08:27] *** hamishm has quit IRC[08:08:43] <jstressman> brb... need to reboot to grab my files. ;) haha[08:08:51] <Prodito> lol, ok[08:08:55] *** hamishm has joined #haiku[08:08:56] *** jstressman has quit IRC[08:10:55] *** AutowiredConstru has quit IRC[08:13:25] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[08:13:44] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[08:13:51] *** Beretta021 has joined #haiku[08:16:51] *** jstressman has joined #haiku[08:18:53] *** redblue has joined #haiku[08:18:59] <ddavid123> Alright peoples, about Alpha 4. My guess is that it will be pushed back until late September or early October to allow all the code from GSOC to be included and tested.[08:19:59] <ddavid123> I can't wait for a x86_64 version of Alpha 4!!!!![08:20:00] *** ismd has joined #haiku[08:20:30] *** Beretta021 has quit IRC[08:21:06] *** Beretta021 has joined #haiku[08:24:05] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[08:24:24] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[08:25:15] *** hamishm has quit IRC[08:25:36] *** hamishm has joined #haiku[08:25:38] *** rimio has joined #haiku[08:30:34] *** bjz has joined #haiku[08:36:31] *** kcj has quit IRC[08:40:57] *** _marc` has quit IRC[08:43:03] *** Sikosis_ has joined #haiku[08:43:03] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis_[08:43:26] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[08:43:26] *** Sikosis_ is now known as Sikosis[08:43:37] <Sikosis> thats better[08:45:57] *** MatthewH12 has quit IRC[08:46:05] <jstressman> ^_^[08:46:13] <jstressman> playing with mockups of my desktop...[08:50:02] *** Postumus has quit IRC[08:50:22] *** rimio has quit IRC[08:50:49] *** rimio has joined #haiku[09:08:05] *** Beretta021 has quit IRC[09:08:23] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[09:13:52] <jstressman> http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d12/phreadom/mockup-workspaces-bgs3.jpg[09:15:07] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[09:15:09] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[09:15:09] *** JsobCloud_ is now known as JsobCloud[09:17:47] *** Negr0_VoP2P_LMin has joined #haiku[09:20:05] *** Blub\w has joined #haiku[09:26:43] *** HeTo has joined #haiku[09:28:26] <Prodito> jstressman: 8 cores, my box is getting really old :([09:28:36] *** ddavid123 has left #haiku[09:29:50] <jstressman> ;_;[09:30:07] <jstressman> technically it's only 4 hyperthreaded cores. :)[09:30:33] <Prodito> anyway, it's getting old :P[09:30:42] <jstressman> hehe[09:30:58] <jstressman> what cpu does it have?[09:31:15] <jstressman> I was several years late to the dual core, 64bit party.[09:31:24] <Prodito> an ancient core 2 duo e4400[09:31:25] <Prodito> :P[09:31:27] <jstressman> I finally updated around 2008 or 2009 I think it was?[09:31:29] *** js has quit IRC[09:31:41] <jstressman> before that I was still on an Athlon XP 2000+ or something.[09:32:07] <jstressman> I finally upgraded when it died.[09:32:23] <jstressman> I only just got my first flat panel monitor about a week ago when my old CRT finally died. :P[09:32:59] <Prodito> my pc is from 2007, so it was new cpu at that time[09:33:05] <Prodito> a new*[09:33:10] <jstressman> ah[09:33:12] *** ddavid123 has joined #haiku[09:33:39] *** _marc` has joined #haiku[09:33:39] *** ddavid123 has left #haiku[09:34:07] <Prodito> but since i used it only for coding i don't care[09:34:22] <Prodito> only thing is the compilation time but still decent[09:36:28] *** HeTo has quit IRC[09:38:01] *** HeTo has joined #haiku[09:39:00] *** kcj has joined #haiku[09:40:41] <jstressman> http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d12/phreadom/mockup-workspaces-bgs5.jpg[09:40:45] <jstressman> there. added a bit of color to it. ;)[09:41:04] <jstressman> I haven't really done much compiling on this one yet...[09:41:16] <jstressman> well, nothing that seemed too strenuous.[09:41:46] *** dcase has joined #haiku[09:53:34] *** Beretta021 has joined #haiku[10:02:28] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[10:02:47] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[10:05:03] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[10:05:22] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[10:06:34] *** Sintendo has joined #haiku[10:14:52] *** rimio has quit IRC[10:15:46] *** rimio has joined #haiku[10:17:16] *** rimio has quit IRC[10:17:50] *** rimio has joined #haiku[10:19:28] *** rimio has joined #haiku[10:21:18] *** johnny_b has joined #haiku[10:25:41] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[10:26:07] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[10:26:27] *** rimio has quit IRC[10:28:44] *** rimio has joined #haiku[10:29:59] <CIA-58> haiku.r1alpha4: axeld * hrevr1alpha4-44573 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=9eb9606 : Move SetMouseEventMask() into MouseDown, where it should be. 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Was a lot of noice in terminal[19:48:50] <Anarchos> robb2 scribus no, but icompiled latex[19:51:24] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[19:51:43] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[19:54:04] <Slor> Is there a central listing of external packages that have been built/ported for Haiku but are not part of the distribution or optionalpackages? I've been through recently building some 3rd party apps myself, and I want to make sure I'm not duplicating porting efforts where not necessary.[19:54:23] <augiedoggie> http://ports.haiku-files.org[19:54:30] <augiedoggie> and http://ports-space.haiku-files.org[19:54:38] <Slor> I'm just getting my feet wet into the dev side of things after following from afar for a while, and the current dev builds look great.[19:54:41] <Slor> Thanks auggie[19:55:26] <Slor> you know what, I DO remember seeing that first page. Probably when I was inundating myself with loads of stuff and then forgetting most of it. :)[19:59:15] <Slor> One other question, and maybe this is better suited to the dev mailing list. As a newbie developer, if I want to work on one of the easier tasks that are listed in the tracker and eventually submit a patch, should I just note my intention to work on the item in the task comments before I start since I assume there is no "assigning" of tasks to folks without elevated (checkin) permissions?[20:00:10] <augiedoggie> You can leave a note on the trac ticket if you wish, but I'd probably just work on it and attach a ticket[20:00:23] <augiedoggie> er, attach a patch to the ticket[20:00:32] <CIA-58> haiku.master: axeld * hrev44587 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=713945c : (log message trimmed)[20:00:32] <CIA-58> The original_data could be freed late. [2 commits][20:00:32] <CIA-58> * In cache_abort_sub_transaction(), the original_data can already be freed[20:00:32] <CIA-58> when the block is being removed from the transaction.[20:00:32] <CIA-58> * block_cache::_GetUnusedBlock() no longer frees original/parent data - it[20:00:32] <CIA-58> now requires them to be freed already (it makes no sense to have them still[20:00:33] <CIA-58> around at this point).[20:00:51] <Slor> ok - I guess I was sondering if it is common to have 2 people working on a patch for the same item and not realize it.[20:00:53] <Slor> wondering[20:01:20] <augiedoggie> I think that's fairly rare[20:02:09] <Slor> alrighty.[20:06:51] *** losch has joined #haiku[20:07:09] *** losch has left #haiku[20:07:51] *** idefix_gromit has left #haiku[20:09:38] *** idefix_gromit has joined #haiku[20:11:08] *** _marc` has joined #haiku[20:14:31] *** Beretta021 has quit IRC[20:16:32] *** Beretta021 has joined #haiku[20:20:08] *** letharion has quit IRC[20:21:02] *** robb2 has left #haiku[20:21:16] *** XenoDuck has joined #haiku[20:23:31] *** letharion has joined #haiku[20:32:39] *** robb2 has joined #haiku[20:35:45] *** Skipp_OSXI has joined #haiku[20:37:53] *** robb2 has quit IRC[20:38:03] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[20:38:22] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[20:47:56] *** xyzzy has joined #haiku[20:49:30] *** rimio has quit IRC[20:50:47] *** rimio has joined #haiku[21:19:41] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[21:28:34] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[21:28:53] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[21:32:11] *** pitelpan has quit IRC[21:32:39] *** MatthewH12 has joined #haiku[21:33:01] *** kirilla has quit IRC[21:54:35] *** Hubert_ has quit IRC[21:55:57] *** idefix_gromit has left #haiku[21:58:30] *** qptain_Nemo has joined #haiku[22:00:10] *** xperiment has joined #haiku[22:05:45] <CIA-58> haiku.master: korli * hrev44588 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=61cb4d8 :[22:05:45] <CIA-58> libpng and jpeg: build against optional packages.[22:05:45] <CIA-58> * added optional feature package for libpng 1.5.12 gcc4/gcc2 x86 and ppc[22:05:45] <CIA-58> * drop libpng sources and headers from the tree.[22:05:45] <CIA-58> * added optional feature package for jpeg 8d gcc4/gcc2 x86 and ppc[22:05:46] <CIA-58> * drop jpeg sources and headers from the tree.[22:12:57] *** oco2 has joined #haiku[22:16:07] *** AutowiredConstru has joined #haiku[22:16:31] <Skipp_OSXI> do we really want libjpeg/png sources in-tree?[22:16:51] *** Negr0_VoP2P has joined #haiku[22:17:08] <Tsyesika> in-tree?[22:17:18] <Tsyesika> sorry i'm pretty new to the development side of haiku :P[22:17:33] <Skipp_OSXI> included in the Haiku source tree[22:17:51] <Tsyesika> hmm... don't we have code to handle pngs already?[22:18:50] <Skipp_OSXI> we do but it is included from an external source[22:19:18] <Tsyesika> hmm... what are the cons beside the tree grows a meg or so in size?[22:19:34] <Tsyesika> we don't get the upstream changes without repulling?[22:19:47] <Skipp_OSXI> we have to keep the source code sync'ed with upstream[22:20:11] <Tsyesika> Skipp_OSXI okay so why is it included? there must be a reason (sorry i'm just trying to get all the facts to make my view)[22:20:36] <Skipp_OSXI> I don't know why it is included, just that it just was in the last commit[22:20:42] <Tsyesika> I saw it[22:20:55] <Tsyesika> Skipp_OSXI well If there is no good reason, I'm on your side, it seems like a bad idea[22:21:15] <Skipp_OSXI> oh, I'm sorry, I read the commit wrong, it was DROPPED from the tree, okay good[22:21:20] <Tsyesika> ooo[22:21:33] <Tsyesika> :P[22:22:21] <Tsyesika> I got some of my first bits of code working i've done with the haiku API's[22:24:05] <Skipp_OSXI> good to hear... it should be pretty simple to get started... you create an app, the app creates a window, the window draws a view[22:24:16] <Skipp_OSXI> so you need an app, window, view[22:25:39] <Tsyesika> yeh it's really quite nice to work with tbh[22:28:25] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[22:28:25] *** HaikuUser is now known as nimor[22:31:55] <Skipp_OSXI> Tsyesika, well that is good to hear, are you jsut playing around or are you building an app?[22:32:50] <Tsyesika> Skipp_OSXI currently playing around I want to be comfertable with it first but I plan to develop for haiku once I'm happy with it[22:34:32] <Skipp_OSXI> I would look in src/apps/ directory in the Haiku source tree for inspiration, there is a lot of good code there[22:34:53] <Skipp_OSXI> like I said, you want to start off by creating an app, a window and a view.[22:35:03] <Skipp_OSXI> It is a bit confusing at first but logical later on.[22:35:38] <Skipp_OSXI> The app and window code is mostly boilerplate and the view is where the action is.[22:36:01] <Tsyesika> yeh I'm getting use to paladin too[22:36:08] <Skipp_OSXI> then you'll start to create more views and more windows as your app developers[22:36:21] <Tsyesika> I gotta find something good to develop[22:36:29] <Tsyesika> I want to do something better than any other Os[22:36:32] <Tsyesika> *OS[22:37:18] <Skipp_OSXI> right, well, do you have any ideas for apps that are better than on any other OS?[22:37:55] <Tsyesika> not yet :P[22:38:28] <Skipp_OSXI> well then I'd suggest starting with something that already exists and make a version for Haiku that is just a little bit better[22:38:46] <Skipp_OSXI> something you need or would like to use yourself[22:39:50] <Tsyesika> Yeh I was thinking of working a bit on Caya fix it up and add OTR and stuff[22:40:13] <Tsyesika> It's bugging me there isn't a decent IM client[22:40:18] <Tsyesika> could maybe try and write in webcam support?[22:40:34] <Skipp_OSXI> Tsyesika, well that would be nice[22:40:56] <Tsyesika> don't get your hopes up too much :P I return to university next month so my time will seriously diminish[22:41:01] <Skipp_OSXI> Tsyesika, Caya is one of the bigger 3rd party apps for Haiku right now, it certainly could use some help[22:41:10] *** dcase has quit IRC[22:41:25] <Skipp_OSXI> but, I'd focus on something small that you'd like to fix, webcam support would be pretty tough[22:41:33] <Tsyesika> yeh[22:41:49] <Skipp_OSXI> there was a GSOC project last year to add webcam support, you could start with that.[22:41:58] <Tsyesika> to Caya?[22:42:09] <Skipp_OSXI> no, I think it was adding to CodyCam[22:42:12] <Tsyesika> ahh[22:42:22] <Tsyesika> I'd need to find a supported webcam first :P[22:42:27] <Tsyesika> the 3 I have dont' work[22:42:28] <Skipp_OSXI> but really it was mostly driver work that would be applicable to any app[22:42:29] <Tsyesika> *don't[22:43:08] <Skipp_OSXI> Tsyesika, well, yeah, that was the point of the GSOC project, to bring more webcam support to Haiku. You really need that first before you can add the feature to Caya[22:43:23] <Tsyesika> true[22:43:30] *** Postumus has joined #haiku[22:43:31] <Tsyesika> well there is plenty to do for Caya before webcam[22:43:32] <Tsyesika> :P[22:43:41] *** AutowiredConstru has left #haiku[22:43:44] <Skipp_OSXI> sure[22:45:10] <Tsyesika> I also have plenty of time to spend on translations which to be honest will only help maybe 3 people xD but whatever :P[22:45:22] <Tsyesika> even if it's for my own benefit it's worth it for me[22:45:36] <Skipp_OSXI> well, that is the idea, scratch your own itch[22:45:49] <Skipp_OSXI> if enough do that a lot of itches get scratched[22:46:09] <Tsyesika> Skipp_OSXI i'm using haiku more and more :) So i get more and more itches[22:46:39] *** Spacewalker has quit IRC[22:47:13] *** tqh has quit IRC[22:50:17] <Skipp_OSXI> Tsyesika, sure[22:50:58] *** xperiment has quit IRC[22:51:09] <Tsyesika> I can't wait until html5 video comes to WebPositive ^_^[22:51:18] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[22:51:19] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[22:52:21] *** NeonLicht has quit IRC[22:54:41] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[22:57:51] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[22:57:51] *** JsobCloud_ is now known as JsobCloud[23:02:33] *** NeonLicht has joined #haiku[23:07:22] *** ddavid123 has joined #haiku[23:07:56] *** ddavid123 has quit IRC[23:08:34] *** radeschi_ has joined #haiku[23:09:24] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[23:12:19] *** Slor has quit IRC[23:12:25] *** radeschi has quit IRC[23:14:41] *** jayrulez has joined #haiku[23:18:56] *** Luko has joined #haiku[23:21:40] *** johnny_b has quit IRC[23:23:08] *** johnny_b has joined #haiku[23:23:17] *** Luko has quit IRC[23:24:20] *** Slor has joined #haiku[23:24:20] *** Slor has joined #haiku[23:27:09] *** robert_negro has joined #haiku[23:33:53] *** [r4] has quit IRC[23:34:27] *** mmadia is now known as mmadia_[23:38:55] *** RQ has quit IRC[23:39:39] *** robert_negro has quit IRC[23:40:05] *** rimio has quit IRC[23:40:43] *** rimio has joined #haiku[23:42:44] *** nimor has quit IRC[23:53:22] *** johnny_b has quit IRC[23:54:22] *** Prodito has joined #haiku