August 26, 2012 
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August 26, 2012 [00:01:25] *** rdmr has joined #haiku[00:02:52] <Anarchos> stpere i am doing MMIX assembly for 4 days and i love it[00:03:12] <Anarchos> Tsyesika by the way functional paradigm has very much deep scientific applications[00:03:29] <Tsyesika> being a chemist myself... I like that[00:03:42] <Tsyesika> and I have used the functional paradgim breiefly[00:03:47] <Tsyesika> blah what is with my spelling tonight[00:04:47] <Tsyesika> hmm i might make an omelette[00:06:06] <munchaus1n> Hey all[00:07:05] <Tsyesika> hey munchaus1n[00:07:15] <Premislaus> hey, why osdrawe is dead?[00:07:20] <Premislaus> *osdrawer[00:07:48] *** oco has joined #haiku[00:08:16] *** HeTo has quit IRC[00:08:54] *** PasNox has quit IRC[00:08:54] *** PasNox_ has joined #haiku[00:09:31] *** Hubert_ has quit IRC[00:09:36] <Anarchos> Premislaus maybe they put the site on Shrödinger mode ?[00:10:32] *** tqh has quit IRC[00:11:05] *** HeTo has joined #haiku[00:11:18] *** pseudomind has quit IRC[00:11:26] *** PasNox_ has quit IRC[00:12:09] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[00:12:24] *** happy4crazy has joined #haiku[00:13:48] *** idefix_gromit has left #haiku[00:14:39] *** oco has quit IRC[00:16:37] *** happy4crazy has quit IRC[00:21:06] *** netstar has quit IRC[00:23:37] *** kcj has joined #haiku[00:26:20] *** rdmr has quit IRC[00:30:09] *** bob_ok has joined #haiku[00:30:28] *** slubman has quit IRC[00:31:15] *** smcollins has joined #haiku[00:31:49] *** smcollins has quit IRC[00:32:04] <AutowiredConstru> its called pervasive multithreading[00:32:05] *** bob_ok has quit IRC[00:33:07] *** fhein has quit IRC[00:42:53] *** AutowiredConstru has quit IRC[00:44:43] *** Blub\w has quit IRC[00:52:46] *** slubman has joined #haiku[00:53:57] *** haiku has joined #haiku[00:54:09] <haiku> haiku is really bad. it doesn't even has a shell[00:54:35] <Anarchos> haiku ?? open Terminal to get bash[00:54:45] <haiku> thanks[00:54:58] <Anarchos> haiku and read the welcome guides ![00:56:02] <haiku> open terminal is under Add-Ond! OL[00:56:40] *** vooshy has joined #haiku[00:57:13] *** slubman has quit IRC[00:57:58] <Tsyesika> haiku: the terminal is under applications, where did you expect it to be?[00:59:13] *** RQ has quit IRC[01:01:33] <haiku> it was under add ons[01:01:55] <stpere> also[01:02:02] <stpere> there are at both locations[01:02:15] <stpere> in add-ons, it allow you to access it with a keyboard shortcut[01:02:19] <haiku> mouse is al little bit to fast[01:02:26] <stpere> preferences > mouse[01:02:44] <haiku> man you are awesome you have an answer to every question[01:03:07] <stpere> :P[01:08:47] <haiku> haiku is definetly better than windows 8[01:08:58] *** oco2 has joined #haiku[01:12:54] *** AutowiredConstru has joined #haiku[01:15:01] *** haiku has quit IRC[01:16:41] *** Beretta021 has quit IRC[01:17:51] *** stargater has joined #haiku[01:17:55] <stargater> hi[01:18:39] <Tsyesika> hey[01:19:07] <stargater> hi Tsyesika[01:19:52] *** slubman has joined #haiku[01:20:45] *** netstar has joined #haiku[01:21:59] <AutowiredConstru> she is a girl. you can flirt with him[01:23:42] <Tsyesika> huh[01:24:18] *** slubman has quit IRC[01:25:13] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #727 of x86-FreeBSD-host is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://mmadia.dyndns.org:8010/builders/x86-FreeBSD-host/builds/727[01:26:22] *** slubman has joined #haiku[01:26:35] *** curlyman has quit IRC[01:27:37] <stpere> AutowiredConstru, hmm?[01:27:51] <AutowiredConstru> yeah i'm idiot[01:33:23] *** Lily has joined #haiku[01:33:37] *** Tsyesika has quit IRC[01:34:44] *** Beretta021 has joined #haiku[01:35:28] <Anarchos> thanks jessicah for the correction ![01:35:36] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[01:35:36] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[01:36:07] <Lily> huh[01:36:13] *** Lily is now known as Tsyesika[01:39:01] <stpere> Anarchos, nothing has been commited :)[01:39:09] <stpere> buildbot just tried again[01:39:10] *** curlyman has joined #haiku[01:40:11] *** dcase has quit IRC[01:42:31] <jessicah> lol[01:42:44] <Tsyesika> Morning jessicah :)[01:42:47] <jessicah> Tsyesika: yes, stpere added my patch :)[01:42:49] <jessicah> good morning[01:42:55] <jessicah> did you get haiku install fixed?[01:43:09] <Tsyesika> nope :([01:43:26] <Tsyesika> I'm pretty miffed I've pretty much given up.[01:43:32] <jessicah> i recommend running a linux livecd, dd'ing the drive with zeros[01:43:55] <jessicah> flush it, partition it with an FS that supports ata TRIM (and/or enable TRIM support)[01:44:12] <jessicah> and leave it running for a lil while[01:44:20] <jessicah> then go try install haiku[01:44:38] <jessicah> haiku doesn't support TRIM, and sounds like your aspire has internal SSD[01:44:42] <Tsyesika> jessicah, at the moment I've got a linux distro installed on it (I'm using the netbook now)[01:44:55] <jessicah> well then later on :)[01:44:57] <Tsyesika> It's ext4 currently.[01:45:53] *** stargater has quit IRC[01:46:13] <Tsyesika> Last time i dd'ed a disk with 0's it died :([01:46:26] <jessicah> :o[01:46:51] <Tsyesika> Literally bias wouldn't read it, no tools I used tried, tried it in other machines. The disk just died on me.[01:47:20] <jessicah> :([01:47:27] <Tsyesika> jessicah, I was checking out your github earlier :)[01:47:36] <jessicah> i saw :p[01:47:48] <jessicah> the project is actually on google code[01:47:56] <jessicah> i tried using githb/git[01:48:02] <jessicah> still find it awkward[01:48:11] <Tsyesika> awhh I love git.[01:48:15] <jessicah> http://code.google.com/p/snowflake-os/[01:48:34] <jessicah> i don't use/need any fancy features, so svn works great for me[01:49:12] <jessicah> i'm slowly figuring out git[01:49:16] <Tsyesika> I don't need fancy features ether, maybe I love git because i love Linus :P[01:49:22] <jessicah> :p[01:49:45] <stpere> I love git because of the absence of .svn that was driving me crazy when grepping files :P[01:50:07] <stpere> I think current version of subversion remove those, not sure[01:50:10] <jessicah> yeah, admittedly that's very annoying[01:50:25] <augiedoggie> stpere: maybe you need a better grep, something like ack :P[01:50:39] <stpere> hehehe[01:50:40] <stpere> maybe[01:51:05] <jessicah> soooo tired[01:51:19] <stpere> it's like 5 AM or ?[01:51:21] <stpere> :P[01:51:23] <Tsyesika> Jessicah isn't it like really early?[01:51:26] <jessicah> well, not so much tired, as exhausted[01:51:28] <jessicah> 11am[01:51:28] <Anarchos> stpere you can do a find ignorign .svn and do xargs grep after that[01:51:42] <Tsyesika> I feel very meh today[01:51:44] <augiedoggie> way too much work, just use ack :P[01:51:52] <mmadia> http://haiku.it.su.se:8180/source[01:52:01] <stpere> yeah.. seems like it's much work to fix a non-problem![01:52:01] <geist> whut[01:52:14] <geist> nice[01:52:47] <stpere> ooh nice mmadia[01:53:02] <mmadia> .... it's in the topic, stpere :P[01:53:07] * stpere can't read[01:54:20] <jessicah> Tsyesika: did a 3-3.5 hour bike ride[01:54:34] <Tsyesika> Ahh... cool, I wish I still cycled[01:54:39] <Tsyesika> I gave it up a few years ago now.[01:54:54] * Tsyesika looks for a picture of her bike[01:55:21] *** vooshy has quit IRC[01:55:28] <jessicah> http://app.strava.com/activities/19724860[01:56:15] <Tsyesika> My god this system is slowwwww[01:56:56] <Tsyesika> wow you went pretty far[01:57:07] <Tsyesika> blahh i don't work in km[01:57:23] <Tsyesika> something like 0.6km is a mile?[01:57:31] <Tsyesika> that's still a hell of a lot[01:58:32] <jessicah> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jessic4h/5903690258/ < my bike[01:59:13] <Tsyesika> wow that makes mine look... crap[01:59:22] <jessicah> hehe[01:59:52] <jessicah> the wheels alone retail for uh... lemme find price in US$[02:00:13] <jessicah> cost me NZD$4,800[02:00:16] <Tsyesika> i have no idea how much a dollar is worth :P[02:00:30] <jessicah> US$2,899[02:00:43] <Tsyesika> I think it's a little over half a pound?[02:01:01] <jessicah> ~1800 pounds[02:01:30] <Tsyesika> wow that's like 1/3 of what I live on in an entire year[02:01:41] <jessicah> :o[02:01:44] <stpere> I hate the way pounds means money and weight[02:02:00] <stpere> at first glance, I almost had an heart attack[02:02:00] <Tsyesika> I can't for life of me remember my flickr username[02:02:01] <Tsyesika> grrr[02:02:27] <jessicah> lol. my bike definitely isn't that heavy :P[02:02:32] <Tsyesika> and it doesn't help that i seem to have like a million yahoo accounts[02:02:41] <jessicah> and i dun use such useless imperial units[02:02:57] <jessicah> my bike weighs around 7kg[02:03:25] <jessicah> Tsyesika: i do a lot of racing[02:03:28] <Tsyesika> okay i don't think i can remember my flickr username :P[02:03:35] <Tsyesika> I can go take a photo now if you want :P[02:03:46] <jessicah> sure :)[02:03:58] <Tsyesika> kk i'll go find some shoes[02:04:35] *** mmadia has left #haiku[02:08:42] <Tsyesika> back[02:08:56] <Tsyesika> these photos will be crap it was dark and my dads shed is very messy[02:09:35] <jessicah> lol[02:09:43] <jessicah> why don't you cycle any more?[02:10:04] <Tsyesika> jessicah, I gave up because of some problems in my life[02:10:22] <Tsyesika> I didn't start again because I haven't exercised in years and I'm very unfit[02:10:41] <jessicah> it doesn't take long to get fit again[02:11:08] <Anarchos> Tsyesika just begin slowly with a street and make yourself harder challenge later[02:11:10] <jessicah> and exercising is good :)[02:11:23] <Anarchos> Tsyesika that is how i did last time[02:11:57] <jessicah> it's like a lot of things. starting is often the hardest part[02:12:34] <jessicah> i hadn't biked in years; went to the US for friends' wedding[02:12:54] <jessicah> only mode of transport was biking, and so that's how i got back into it[02:13:02] <Tsyesika> Problem is now i live in a pretty large city so cycling is hardly "fun" (I dislike cycling on busy roads)[02:13:04] <jessicah> forgot how much i loved it :p[02:13:46] <jessicah> oh. well if you drive, can take your bike out somewhere, do a circuit, drive home :p[02:14:14] <jessicah> traffic doesn't bother me; but i also live ina relatively quiet city[02:15:08] <Tsyesika> I live in a busy part of a busy city :P[02:15:24] <jessicah> :([02:15:27] <Tsyesika> literally the businest bus corridor in europe[02:15:52] <jessicah> ouch[02:16:02] <jessicah> you should move (to nz!)[02:16:06] <jessicah> ;)[02:16:28] <Anarchos> Tsyesika where ?[02:16:59] <Tsyesika> wilmslow road/oxford road manchester[02:17:05] <Tsyesika> google it :P it's got it's own wikipedia page[02:17:19] <jessicah> Tsyesika: ohh, i also loooved avatar movie :)[02:17:37] <jessicah> i want to be a giant humanoid cat creature![02:17:48] <Tsyesika> xD[02:18:03] *** nyl has joined #haiku[02:18:11] * Anarchos finds hard to code his own naive malloc implementation....[02:18:19] <Tsyesika> laaa uploading the picture now[02:18:35] <Anarchos> jessicah like the cat in Totoro ?[02:18:51] <jessicah> no, like in avatar[02:18:53] *** Alam_Squeeze has quit IRC[02:19:14] <jessicah> but i do want a ride on the catbus :D[02:19:25] <Tsyesika> I want to ride on an ikran![02:19:27] <Tsyesika> :P[02:19:38] <jessicah> ooooh, that too :D[02:19:54] <Tsyesika> http://tsyesika.co.uk/bike.jpg[02:20:32] <jessicah> wah, old school![02:20:39] <jessicah> shifters on the stem :D[02:20:45] <jessicah> i used to have a bike like that[02:21:16] <jessicah> oh wait, maybe not... i can't tell[02:21:21] <Tsyesika> huh?[02:21:23] <jessicah> mebbe normal shifters[02:21:28] <Tsyesika> gears are on the breaks[02:21:32] <jessicah> yeah[02:21:36] <jessicah> i got confused :p[02:22:10] <Tsyesika> it needs a bit of TLC[02:22:34] <jessicah> did you ever try racing?[02:22:37] <Tsyesika> nope[02:22:56] <Tsyesika> om nom nom omelet[02:23:07] <jessicah> om nom nom left over pizza :p[02:23:13] <Tsyesika> <3 left over pizza[02:24:02] <jessicah> club racing is pretty cool[02:25:11] <Tsyesika> cool[02:25:21] <Tsyesika> yeh I haven't cycled in god knows how logn[02:25:47] <jessicah> looks like a smallish frame; hard to tell[02:26:04] <jessicah> you about 5'6"?[02:26:07] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o augiedoggie[02:26:16] <Tsyesika> 5'8"[02:26:21] <Tsyesika> it's a smallish frame yeh[02:27:00] <Tsyesika> I wish i was shorter :([02:27:22] <Tsyesika> I don't think there is anything I wouldn't change about my body[02:27:35] <Tsyesika> jessicah, cute cat[02:27:55] <jessicah> i wish i was shorter too[02:28:06] <jessicah> especially having lots of asian friends[02:28:15] <Tsyesika> jessicah, how tall are you?[02:28:27] <jessicah> even many of the guys are slightly shorter than me[02:28:39] <Tsyesika> mmm I'm taller than quite a few guys I know[02:28:42] <jessicah> between 5'7" and 5'8"[02:28:46] <Tsyesika> yeh same as me[02:29:55] <jessicah> and then have to often were flat shoes, else i end up being too tall around my friends >_<[02:30:11] <jessicah> it's such a travesty ;_;[02:30:12] <Tsyesika> mmm when I wear heels I just tower over like everyone[02:30:30] <Tsyesika> jessicah, last time i went to a club in heels, i was taller than the bouncer :([02:30:39] <jessicah> :([02:30:47] <jessicah> so sadness[02:31:01] <jessicah> i know a few guys that are nice and tall[02:31:38] <Tsyesika> :P my brother is 6'2" ish[02:31:46] <Tsyesika> my sister is the same hight as me[02:31:47] <jessicah> so get the odd occasion to wear heels[02:32:10] *** Ingenu has left #haiku[02:32:23] <Tsyesika> jessicah, it doesn't help that I'm fugly >.< so ... yeh[02:33:40] <jessicah> dun put yourself down like that :([02:33:45] <Tsyesika> I'm a realist[02:33:52] <jessicah> =/[02:34:09] <stpere> I'm 5'12" :P[02:34:47] <jessicah> i'm not the prettiest girl in the world either; but i still try to look in the mirror and tell myself i beautiful[02:34:53] <jessicah> it kinda helps[02:35:04] <jessicah> also, beauty starts from the inside[02:35:08] <Tsyesika> jessicah, you are very pretty (looked on your flickr)[02:35:35] <Tsyesika> ugh the only picture you can see of me I look god awful[02:35:37] <jessicah> =/ argh, silly flickr[02:35:42] <Tsyesika> sorry...[02:35:52] <jessicah> it okies :)[02:35:54] <Tsyesika> but you do :P You look beautiful[02:35:56] <jessicah> thank you :)[02:36:47] <Tsyesika> no worries :) I'm just a realist :)[02:36:57] <jessicah> lol[02:37:14] <Tsyesika> okay I can't find a good picture of me[02:37:15] <Tsyesika> so[02:37:22] <Tsyesika> yeh[02:37:26] <Tsyesika> i'm not giving a link to one :P[02:38:06] <jessicah> :p[02:38:19] <Tsyesika> I wish I could remember my flickr username[02:39:05] <jessicah> can't you search your emails for flickr related email?[02:39:28] <Tsyesika> I seem to have like 20 yahoo accounts and I haven't the foggiest why[02:39:36] <jessicah> :o[02:39:47] <jessicah> can you link them together?[02:40:05] <Tsyesika> this is retarded 4th one i've checked and nothinggg[02:40:10] <jessicah> my flickr is now linked to my gmail[02:40:16] <Tsyesika> jessicah, i'd rather just not have it to be honest :P[02:40:26] <jessicah> flickr?[02:40:28] <Tsyesika> one yahoo account would be enough[02:40:30] <Tsyesika> no like 20[02:40:39] <jessicah> so close them[02:40:45] <Tsyesika> too much effort :[02:40:46] <Tsyesika> * :P[02:41:39] <Tsyesika> awhh I thought i'd found it then[02:42:34] <Tsyesika> blah forget it[02:42:37] <Tsyesika> I give up[02:42:55] <Tsyesika> I'll ask one of my friends if they know what it is tomorrow[02:44:36] <Tsyesika> jessicah, i can PM you witht he picture I use as my display picture on most things? :P Everyone says it doesn't really look like me anymore tho[02:44:38] <Premislaus> Jesus. Can see that you are women... At one time, on one 3ds Max forum, some guy has been a user. He pretended a woman. Horny nerds, made graphics for him for free. Was finally unmasked.[02:45:05] <Tsyesika> Premislaus, huh?[02:45:16] <geist> ...[02:46:25] <jessicah> O_O[02:46:37] <jessicah> Tsyesika: okies[02:46:47] <stpere> please.[02:47:10] <Tsyesika> stpere, huh? I'm so confused by everyone in here, it's like I'm missing half the messages[02:47:30] <stpere> I was referering to Premislaus's comment[02:47:47] <stpere> not really asking anything :P[02:50:39] *** Beretta021 has quit IRC[02:50:47] *** oco2 has quit IRC[02:52:34] *** Alam_Squeeze has joined #haiku[02:54:32] <Premislaus> Funny story.[02:54:49] *** happy4crazy has joined #haiku[02:56:20] *** Tsyesika has quit IRC[02:59:20] *** jessica_ has joined #haiku[02:59:31] <jessica_> jessicah, sorry my laptop... locked up[02:59:33] <jessica_> grr[02:59:36] *** jessica_ is now known as Tsyeiska[02:59:43] <Tsyeiska> and that's not how you spell my name[02:59:46] *** Tsyeiska is now known as Tsyesika[03:00:54] <jessicah> that's okay[03:01:10] <jessicah> i was just sitting with my many cats for a bit :)[03:01:30] <jessicah> 4 of the 6 are stretched out sleeping on couch together[03:01:41] <Tsyesika> well I'm using openbox instead of fully fledged gnome now so hopefully it's a bit less memory hungry[03:03:45] * Anarchos just understood endianness...[03:25:02] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[03:37:04] <CIA-58> haiku.master: stpere * hrev44584 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=53312de :[03:37:04] <CIA-58> MediaPlayer: Toggling Fullscreen wrongly reset control status[03:37:05] <CIA-58> All controls were enabled when toggling fullscreen on and off;[03:37:05] <CIA-58> now it recalls the argument last used in SetEnabled() and reuse it[03:37:05] <CIA-58> when called in AttachedInWindow() (which occurs in such toggling)[03:37:05] <CIA-58> Fixes #8804.[03:39:07] <jessicah> stpere: being busy hacking on haiku this weekend :)[03:39:35] <stpere> haha! yeah.. giving some time.. release is getting near[03:40:26] <augiedoggie> no +alpha tag on it?[03:40:55] <stpere> hmm, on the ML, leavengood said it wasn't mandatory[03:41:02] <stpere> he will cherrypick[03:41:25] <augiedoggie> right, I mean usually the commits that are safe to include mention it in the message[03:41:41] *** ismd has 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#haiku[06:12:08] *** MatthewH12 has quit IRC[06:16:22] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #728 of x86-FreeBSD-host is complete: Failure [failed [x86gcc4] haiku-image [x86gcc4] haiku-vmware-image [x86gcc4] @alpha-anyboot [x86gcc4] @alpha-vmware [x86gcc4] @alpha-raw [x86gcc4] @alpha-cd [x86gcc4] @nightly-anyboot [x86gcc4] @nightly-vmware [x86gcc4] @nightly-raw [x86gcc4] @nightly-cd [x86gcc4hybrid] haiku-image [x86gcc4hybrid] haiku-vmware-image[06:16:23] <HAIKU-Buildbot> [x86gcc4hybrid] @alpha-anyboot [x86gcc4hybrid] @alpha-vmware [x86gcc4hybrid] @alpha-raw [x86gcc4hybrid] @alpha-cd [x86gcc4hybrid] @nightly-anyboot [x86gcc4hybrid] @nightly-vmware [x86gcc4hybrid] @nightly-raw [x86gcc4hybrid] @nightly-cd] Build details are at http://mmadia.dyndns.org:8010/builders/x86-FreeBSD-host/builds/728 blamelist: Philippe Saint-Pierre[06:16:23] <HAIKU-Buildbot> <stpere at gmail dot com>[06:24:51] <CIA-58> haiku.r1alpha4: nielx * hrevr1alpha4-44571 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=ac15b8a : Update translations from Pootle[06:28:38] *** jayrulez has quit IRC[06:29:05] *** jayrulez has joined #haiku[06:29:56] *** jayrulez has quit IRC[06:31:07] *** slubman has quit IRC[06:33:59] *** duvjones has joined #haiku[06:44:17] *** Premislaus has quit IRC[07:03:21] *** duvjones has quit IRC[07:05:12] *** duvjones has joined #haiku[07:27:19] *** duvjones has quit IRC[07:45:54] *** Hubert_ has joined #haiku[07:54:21] *** Nozy has quit IRC[07:55:39] *** Nozy has joined #haiku[08:41:40] *** pitelpan has joined #haiku[08:47:25] *** slubman has joined #haiku[08:51:55] *** slubman has quit IRC[09:03:48] *** duvjones has joined #haiku[09:05:43] *** Nozy has quit IRC[09:19:55] *** RQ has joined #haiku[09:45:01] *** tqh has joined #haiku[09:48:19] *** pitelpan has quit IRC[10:05:39] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.[10:06:07] <jstressman> good morning brobostigon :)[10:06:39] <brobostigon> good morning jstressman :)[10:09:32] *** RQ has quit IRC[10:10:37] *** kcj has quit IRC[10:12:52] *** kcj 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I'm sooo unfit[17:48:17] *** mmadia has left #haiku[17:48:27] <stpere> ouch :-\[17:48:46] <Tsyesika> yeh[17:49:02] <Tsyesika> didn't realise just how unfit i really was[17:52:31] *** johnny_b has joined #haiku[17:52:49] *** vooshy has quit IRC[17:53:13] *** idefix_gromit has joined #haiku[17:57:45] *** bjz has quit IRC[17:59:20] *** happy4crazy has quit IRC[18:00:09] *** luroh has quit IRC[18:01:41] *** xyzzy has quit IRC[18:08:36] *** curlyman has quit IRC[18:11:09] *** Premislaus has joined #haiku[18:11:13] <Premislaus> hi[18:14:28] <Tsyesika> hey Premislaus[18:14:32] <Tsyesika> Premislaus my hdd finally died today[18:14:39] <Tsyesika> I guess we can safely say that was the issue[18:15:06] <Premislaus> You have the ability to check a different drive?[18:15:12] *** curlyman has joined #haiku[18:15:31] <Premislaus> http://img.myepicwall.com/i/2012/07/bccfbf31c7b9ba4a48faa3c9c2edbd09.gif?1341936331[18:16:07] <Tsyesika> I'm looking into replacing the drive in this with a hdd but i'm just checking exactly what it takes[18:16:09] *** radeschi_ has quit IRC[18:16:42] *** radeschi has joined #haiku[18:17:32] <Premislaus> Link does not work anymore...[18:17:44] <Tsyesika> huh[18:17:51] <Tsyesika> I saw the bear thing :P[18:19:05] <Premislaus> :P[18:21:37] * Tsyesika yawns[18:21:45] <Tsyesika> i feel a bit better now that bike ride really killed me[18:23:12] <Premislaus> Can swap in a normal PC sata drive? Connect "on the spider".[18:23:41] <Tsyesika> Premislaus I'm not sure if I can or not :s[18:23:49] <Tsyesika> I keep googling it but *shrugs*[18:24:35] <Premislaus> Connectors are the same.[18:28:56] *** idefix_gromit has left #haiku[18:29:17] <Tsyesika> Premislaus i hope so[18:29:25] <Tsyesika> right i gotta go for food... be back later :) x[18:30:12] *** oco2 has joined #haiku[18:30:36] *** jayrulez has joined #haiku[18:30:52] *** idefix_gromit has joined #haiku[18:31:34] <Premislaus> maybe there is a different pin layout[18:31:36] <Premislaus> ok[18:32:13] <munchaus1n> What are you replacing the drive on? Sounds interesting/exotic![18:33:35] *** [JJ]Albert has joined #haiku[18:40:34] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[18:41:40] <Premislaus> adapter?[18:41:59] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[18:41:59] <Premislaus> 3.5" to 2.5"[18:42:03] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[18:42:03] *** JsobCloud_ is now known as JsobCloud[18:42:30] <Premislaus> is also on the usb[18:43:13] *** tqh has joined #haiku[18:43:33] <Premislaus> http://image.ceneo.pl/data/products/2319523/i-adapter-redukcja-z-dysku-3-5-na-2-5.jpg[18:45:00] *** PasNox has quit IRC[18:45:35] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[18:46:09] <Premislaus> http://www.chip.pl/chip/images/sprzet/pamieci-masowe/image002.jpg/image_preview[18:47:58] <Premislaus> I do not know what I did with the old laptop, but I wonder if the cables from the PC would fit.[18:51:25] *** vezhlys has quit IRC[18:52:13] *** Sintendo has joined #haiku[18:52:31] *** Tsyesika has quit IRC[18:53:44] *** niag has joined #haiku[18:54:53] <niag> is haiku support usb wireless chil zd1211?[18:54:58] <niag> chip*[18:55:30] <mmadia> there's no support for usb wireless.[18:55:38] *** idefix_gromit has left #haiku[18:55:49] <niag> :(((([18:55:56] *** idefix_gromit has joined #haiku[18:55:58] <niag> intel 2x00?[18:56:29] <niag> it is internal chip os some ibm laptop T40/41/42[18:56:36] <niag> of*[18:57:16] <mmadia> 2100, 2200.[18:57:34] <niag> 2200 i talk about.[18:57:50] *** pseudomind has joined #haiku[18:58:25] <niag> 2200BG[18:58:29] <mmadia> you'll need to run install-wifi-firmwares.sh from Terminal.[18:59:16] <niag> ok for firmware.[18:59:28] *** Spacewalker has quit IRC[18:59:43] <niag> btw, can i copy&paste firmware from linux? all in all, firmware should be the same[19:00:48] <mmadia> iirc for the 2200, there's no need as the firmware is stored as an inactive archive on Haiku. just run the script.[19:00:56] <niag> ok[19:01:27] <mmadia> http://www.haiku-os.org/guides/daily-tasks/wireless will be useful too[19:01:28] <niag> mmadia, i rean Alpha4 will be released in september... are ytou aware of this?[19:01:38] <niag> read*[19:01:44] <niag> tnks for link[19:01:51] <mmadia> last i checked, that's the current plan.[19:02:21] <niag> g.o.o.d![19:02:47] <mmadia> i'm not very involved with the release process at this point though.[19:02:50] <niag> im looking for A4 for ages, it should be the last, then beta[19:04:00] <niag> R1 seems not to be too much far: in my opinion, 2-3 years.[19:04:07] *** negusnyul has quit IRC[19:04:08] <mmadia> http://dev.haiku-os.org/query?status=!closed&milestone=R1%2Fbeta1 are the tickets for R1/beta[19:05:05] <niag> go to read[19:05:35] *** XenoDuck has joined #haiku[19:06:44] <niag> mmm package manager and upgrade haiku seems to be - at my eyes - the more urgent.[19:07:00] <mmadia> http://www.haiku-os.org/news/2012-08-20_two_contractors_each_two_months[19:07:23] <niag> yes i alreadt read it, sooo nice :D[19:08:25] <niag> hope to have soon a office suite, as kalligra[19:11:34] <Premislaus> niag: http://www.haiku-os.org/community/forum/apps_i_use_haiku_openjdk[19:12:16] <Premislaus> http://postimage.org/image/p93kkz8id/[19:12:16] <niag> Premislaus, tnks[19:13:00] *** [JJ]Albert has quit IRC[19:13:23] *** [JJ]Albert_ has joined #haiku[19:14:18] <niag> Premislaus, on Alpha3 i tried koffice but was unstable (kwrite does not close properly). is this running better?[19:15:41] <Premislaus> i don't know... we have the latest qt - http://wiki.poorcoding.com/Haiku.arfonzo.ashx#Qt_EIA_0 but you probably need to do re-port koffice[19:16:10] * mmadia mutters something about the software being called "Haiku", not "Haiku OS"[19:18:57] <niag> poorcoding.... hahahaahah[19:19:05] <Premislaus> ;)[19:19:41] <niag> in my language in can read it as "pork-coding"[19:21:04] <niag> interesting the idea on java application to replace te native haiku applications.[19:21:42] *** Tsyesika has joined #haiku[19:23:00] <Premislaus> It's not interesting[19:23:18] <Premislaus> It is a temporary solution.[19:23:19] <niag> interesting == better than nothing[19:24:18] *** netstar has quit IRC[19:24:29] <Tsyesika> Premislaus backk[19:24:36] <Premislaus> :)[19:24:48] <Tsyesika> ^_^[19:24:51] *** stephane3 has joined #haiku[19:25:24] *** vooshy has joined #haiku[19:27:06] <stephane3> hi everybody,[19:27:20] <Tsyesika> hey stephane3[19:32:33] <mmadia> vooshy ?[19:32:47] <vooshy> mmadia ?[19:32:49] *** fhein has joined #haiku[19:33:15] <mmadia> hi. a long while back, did you have feedback on the printed r1a3 graphics?[19:33:20] *** stephane3 has quit IRC[19:33:21] *** Beretta021 has joined #haiku[19:33:45] <mmadia> or maybe the mailer?[19:34:11] <vooshy> the cd was fine but the mailer seemed a bit blurry[19:35:17] <vooshy> it was okay, just didnt look quite free cd in a magazine quality print on the mailer[19:35:23] *** Blub\w has quit IRC[19:38:12] <mmadia> do you think that was from having the glow effect for the logo or ..?[19:41:04] <vooshy> just general print quality at the manfacture stage.[19:41:17] <mmadia> ah. hmmm.[19:41:36] <vooshy> i wouldnt worry, i was the only one complaining :P[19:42:29] *** stephane3 has joined #haiku[19:43:08] *** Sintendo has quit IRC[19:48:50] *** vezhlys has joined #haiku[19:49:59] *** luroh has joined #haiku[19:54:07] *** stephane3 has quit IRC[19:56:40] *** _marc` has joined #haiku[20:01:33] *** netstar has joined #haiku[20:09:42] *** netstar has quit IRC[20:09:47] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[20:12:59] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[20:12:59] *** JsobCloud_ is now known as JsobCloud[20:16:08] *** Spacewalker has joined #haiku[20:16:08] *** Spacewalker has joined #haiku[20:21:32] *** curlyman has quit IRC[20:22:28] *** vooshy has quit IRC[20:29:57] *** curlyman has joined #haiku[20:32:07] *** pseudomind has quit IRC[20:36:23] *** curlyman has quit IRC[20:44:44] *** curlyman has joined #haiku[20:57:18] *** Tsyesika has quit IRC[21:01:59] *** luko_ has quit IRC[21:02:09] *** swarfega has joined #haiku[21:02:23] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[21:05:38] *** Luko has joined #haiku[21:17:59] *** [JJ]Albert_ has quit IRC[21:18:40] *** vooshy has joined #haiku[21:20:35] *** Tsyesika has joined #haiku[21:25:28] *** Blub\w has joined #haiku[21:29:50] *** Luko has quit IRC[21:32:17] *** Postumus has quit IRC[21:37:10] *** Tsyesika has quit IRC[21:37:34] *** Tsyesika has joined #haiku[21:38:56] *** luko has joined #haiku[21:45:49] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[21:58:45] *** curlyman has quit IRC[22:02:58] *** idefix_gromit has left #haiku[22:03:23] *** PasNox has quit IRC[22:03:30] *** PasNox_ has joined #haiku[22:04:58] *** curlyman has joined #haiku[22:06:38] *** nyl has quit IRC[22:10:43] *** PasNox_ is now known as PasNox[22:15:22] *** ddavid123 has joined #haiku[22:15:26] *** ddavid123 has quit IRC[22:15:26] *** ddavid123 has joined #haiku[22:23:29] *** ddavid123 has quit IRC[22:26:46] *** oco2 has joined #haiku[22:26:59] *** fhein has quit IRC[22:28:55] *** Spacewalker has quit IRC[22:31:56] *** AutowiredConstru has joined #haiku[22:32:31] <luko> hi[22:32:35] <stpere> hi luki[22:32:37] <stpere> luko*[22:32:44] <luko> i have mor equestions[22:32:54] <stpere> go ahead :)[22:32:56] <luko> i have intel HDA sound card[22:33:15] <luko> and sound is playing sound is ver corrupted[22:33:24] <luko> but[22:33:28] <luko> MP4 works OK[22:33:30] <luko> :D[22:33:33] <luko> its silly[22:33:46] <luko> MP4 video and sound[22:35:15] <stpere> using every applications? I mean, for example, both MediaPlayer and VLC?[22:35:29] <luko> only media[22:35:34] <luko> i go try vlc[22:37:06] <luko> oh i am happy[22:37:09] <luko> :D[22:37:14] <luko> you dont know how :D[22:38:15] *** tqh has quit IRC[22:40:02] <stpere> it probably indicates somes issues with the codecs used by MediaPlayer[22:40:35] <luko> maybe not only mp3 but some connection to sound driver some bug[22:41:33] <luko> mp4 play ok, but when i close vlc, or media player when play then i hear echo and corupted sound[22:42:21] <luko> AVI is too ok[22:44:23] <AutowiredConstru> i heard that nobody of the haiku developers are in this channel. only users. so if you find a bug you are pretty much fucked[22:44:31] <AutowiredConstru> you can't get in contact with devs[22:44:36] <AutowiredConstru> they are contact shy[22:45:08] <luko> :d[22:45:10] <luko> ok[22:45:14] *** mmadia has quit IRC[22:45:14] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[22:45:16] <luko> i fill ticket[22:45:23] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmadia[22:45:35] <mmadia> that's incorrect, AutowiredConstru.[22:45:45] <mmadia> but, it's still best to file tickets for bugs, luko.[22:47:05] <luko> i look to syslog[22:47:12] <luko> only few lines about latency[22:47:18] <stpere> AutowiredConstru, hmm?[22:47:34] * PulkoMandy is a dev (and there are others)[22:47:47] <PulkoMandy> yes, some of the devs are not on IRC. But not everyone is, right ?[22:48:33] <stpere> At work, there is a policy for me to say "I'm not there." when people talk to me so that they understand I'm really busy, but it's weird to also be considered 'not there' when I just talk :P[22:48:43] <luko> is this something like error ? http://pastebin.com/nhf6p4na[22:51:43] <stpere> not an expert of that part, but it sounds like a latency issues, which might correllate to the 'corruptions' you were talking about earlier[22:52:19] <stpere> the 'delay' is growing[22:52:38] <stpere> 3567, 6124, 33421, hmm, that might be revelant also[22:52:39] <stpere> not sure[22:55:49] <luko> but sound card i thing as hardware is ok[22:55:57] <luko> in windows and linux works ok[22:56:25] <stpere> yeah, that would be a software (driver) issue[22:59:40] <niag> gentleman, i hace questio that can sound trolling but is ignorance, not trolling. why haiku have to have binary compatibility wit old beos applications? i mean, beos is died, his pplication are so old. why give effort to code tha have to be compatible with old and died applications? isnt better to push the accellerato on gcc4 and give up withe legacy support?[22:59:40] <Tsyesika> I dd'ed the anyboot iso onto a pendrive.. I'm wondering if I can partiton the rest so i can keep data there or possibly extend the image or something... it's just it doesn't leave me much room to work with[23:00:56] <johnny_b> niag: this question frequently pops up :)[23:01:21] <niag> johnny_b, so, ter is a FAQ i can read about?[23:01:24] <mmadia> niag one reason is that keeping binary compatibility with BeOS R5 acts as a quality assurance method.[23:02:20] <niag> mmadia, mmmmm... ok. other reasons or only this? I mena, i dont woat to bother ppl here, if ther are a faq to read about this common question ,for me is ok.[23:02:43] <mmadia> honestly, i'm not sure if all of the reasons are documented.[23:03:19] <niag> mmadia, othe reasons that you know more rhan quality assurance of code?[23:03:20] <Premislaus> These are the objectives of the project. 10 years ago... People thought that Haiku will be completed soon...[23:04:17] <johnny_b> what about the re-evaluations of the initial goals?[23:04:33] <luko> iuse BeOS short time soetimes in 2000 year and one apps what i need in haiku is Moe :D[23:04:34] *** johndrinkwater has quit IRC[23:04:34] <johnny_b> yeah, they thought that R1 will be ready in 2-3 years[23:04:37] <mmadia> that would be a mailing list discussion.[23:04:48] *** Barrett has quit IRC[23:04:52] *** johndrinkwater has joined #haiku[23:04:54] <niag> Premislaus, that it is a motivation to cut legacy, not to move on.[23:05:19] <mmadia> imo, at this point it's not so much about using BeOS apps, but ensuring that nothing changes in Haiku unexpectedly.[23:06:00] <niag> mmadia, it is already changed, think to wpa that was not exinting 10 years ago but that is to be introduced in haiku.[23:06:04] <Premislaus> In the R2 will be package optional - gcc2 legacy. It is a pity that not in the R1...[23:06:08] <mmadia> for instance, it's long been the view of the project to not needlessly break the API, settings files, etc simply for the sake of it.[23:06:33] <Premislaus> Pulkomandy told me so.[23:06:35] <niag> so haiku is - bushed by progress - mere than beoes[23:06:41] <Premislaus> *optional package[23:06:43] <niag> pushed[23:07:34] <mmadia> Premislaus -- right, as of now the plan is to move beos support to an optional legacy package after R1.[23:07:43] <niag> me worry is that haiku si so delaied only to support old and unusefull applications.[23:07:51] <mmadia> changing that to a sooner date would also require a mailing list discussion.[23:08:54] <mmadia> niag ... there is no delay from supporting BeOS.[23:09:22] <mmadia> certainly not at this point.[23:09:25] <johnny_b> mmadia: where does the idea to change (use?) BeAPI to Qt from?[23:09:30] <Premislaus> Lack of developers.[23:09:37] <Premislaus> with time ;)[23:09:45] <johnny_b> mmadia: where does the idea come to change (use?) BeAPI to Qt from?[23:09:50] <mmadia> johnny_b -- that was mentioned on the the development at least twice.[23:09:54][23:10:08] <mmadia> once in 2009~2010 and sometime in the last 6 months or so.[23:10:12] <Premislaus> This is a stillborn idea - qt api for haiku[23:10:35] <luko> Nokia sell qt to Digia[23:10:39] <Tsyesika> I'm not a massive fan of it the BeAPI is quite enough[23:10:49] <Premislaus> We have a Qt port and nothing it did not help us.[23:10:51] <mmadia> niag -- gcc4 is included in Haiku. people are able to compile applications with gcc4. however, it is not advised as Haiku's gcc4 support is labeled 'experimental' and things will break from time to time.[23:11:05] <Tsyesika> I especially don't want Haiku to turn into linux where you have Qt, gtk, wx, etc..[23:11:17] <Premislaus> Qt is commercial and has a more uncertain future than Haiku.[23:11:27] <johnny_b> Tsyesika: but the 'temprorary solutions' do the same[23:11:30] <Tsyesika> there is no real need for such an amount might as well just standardize it across the board and put everyones effort into one[23:12:26] <luko> i use linux sice 1998 when KDE start.. there was KDE1 after become qt2 they must rewrite whole kde to qt2 after to qt3 and after to qt4[23:13:02] <luko> would be nice to rewrite potencial haiku based on qt every time when become new QT[23:13:24] <luko> :D[23:13:42] <Premislaus> According to me, this package should be in the R1. Even if the work were to be extended by a year.[23:14:31] <Premislaus> It is better to stick to what we have.[23:14:43] <stpere> hehehe.. nice corner case.. putting a FS image on another FS image..[23:14:55] <Tsyesika> Is there any problems which can't be worked out with the BeOS graphics API?[23:14:59] <mmadia> how'd that go, stpere?[23:15:00] <stpere> mount the 'parent' image as Read-only and mount the child as Read-Write :)[23:15:19] <stpere> crash when you unmount the child because the parent is read-only[23:15:28] <munchaus1n> Personally I think it's good to have qt and perhaps wine in the short-medium term just to get people using the OS. Once a user base develops then people will develop more software with the native API.[23:15:49] <niag> mmadia, to me, stay on gcc2 is a nonsense, it should be better to move to gcc4 100% and say goodbye to legacy support. imo. but up to the managers of development.[23:16:00] <Tsyesika> munchaus1n maybe I see your point just once you've introduced this fragmentation it's virtually impossible to remove it[23:16:30] <munchaus1n> On the other hand haiku doesnt need *that many* more apps to forfill 90% of peoples needs[23:16:38] <Tsyesika> it may be slower keeping it to only 1 graphics API and stuff but I think in the long run the product you get out is better really[23:16:48] <Tsyesika> munchaus1n yeh i'm managing quite oddly now[23:16:56] <munchaus1n> Tsyesika - yeah possibly[23:16:58] <Tsyesika> I'm doing most my development, chat, etc..[23:17:00] <Premislaus> I'm a Windows user. I am very glad that I have in it backward compatibility[23:17:00] <munchaus1n> me too :)[23:17:17] <stpere> we definitely not allow mounting filesystem images as read-write if it's living in a read-only fs :P[23:17:17] <stpere> +should[23:17:23] <Premislaus> Windows and Haiku user[23:17:24] <munchaus1n> I can do development fine. There are still a few things I could use in haiku though[23:17:33] <munchaus1n> I think wine would be a useful thing to have really[23:17:34] <Tsyesika> I'm a linux user born and bread but ... one of the things I really dislike about linux is just the vast fragmentation[23:18:13] <Tsyesika> 10s of different kernel patched versions, tons of des/wms, tons of distros[23:18:22] <munchaus1n> me too[23:19:42] <Tsyesika> although taking fragmentation out you are basically saying most decisions are made for you ... I prefer to take the risk, no doubt i'll dislike the odd thing or two but in the long run it'll be a much better, solid product[23:20:05] <Premislaus> You have thousands of Linux distribution, 10 of them have 99.9% of users. Haiku would be another distribution of Linux with different kernel and window manager. Like Debian with Hurd kernel or kFreeBSD[23:20:26] <Tsyesika> yeh[23:21:39] *** nortti has quit IRC[23:21:48] <munchaus1n> I think gcc2 in favour of gcc4 is a pain. Its a lot of effort to port stuff that builds with gcc4[23:22:10] <Tsyesika> It's also a nightmare as a developer as I write a piece of software, distro's pick it up, encorporate it and then users file bugs, some downstream make patches for or whatever but don't push them up some leg behind version wise... it's difficult as you have to ask the version of application, the distro, the distro version and see if and/or what changes have been made and debug with those and then sometimes those changes can't be pushe[23:22:10] <Tsyesika> back into the vanilla product because they only work with distro specific patches[23:22:13] <Tsyesika> it's a nightmare[23:23:22] <luko> Premislaus, Haiku is on distrowatch, but main diference between why freebsd, openbsd, netbsd, solaris are mark as distribution is that is very similar software.. freebsd has kde4, gnome,, ... Solaris has gnome.. but haiku is very diferent Os,, dont use gnome, kde4.. Haiku is noit not linux distro[23:23:57] <Tsyesika> haiku is on distrowatch? I'm not sure that's a good idea?[23:24:03] <luko> yes is i think[23:24:04] <Premislaus> And I hope it will not be[23:24:30] <luko> Syllable OS is too[23:24:37] <Tsyesika> haiku is on there[23:24:39] <luko> but they maintain two releases[23:24:42] <Tsyesika> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xoPm4-lXGQ[23:24:43] <Tsyesika> oops[23:24:48] <Tsyesika> http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=Haiku[23:24:55] <Tsyesika> that youtube video is not worth your time[23:24:58] <luko> Desktop based on AtheOs kernel and server edition based on Linux kernel[23:25:06] <Tsyesika> unless you were born the same ish year i was[23:25:06] <Tsyesika> :P[23:25:10] <Tsyesika> and come from the uk[23:25:11] <Tsyesika> :P[23:25:37] <munchaus1n> It will be a more solid product... it already is. The decisions the haiku team are making seem to consistently be the best ones[23:25:51] <munchaus1n> lets hope it stays that way![23:26:08] <Tsyesika> indeed[23:26:33] <Tsyesika> I love how haiku is now and if it keeps on the direction it is :) It'll no doubt be the OS I will be using for a long time to come[23:26:51] <Tsyesika> I really ought to start contributing code[23:29:14] <munchaus1n> Its awesome from a development point of view too. The apis, filesystem, IPC, the way everything is integrated (kits)[23:29:29] <Tsyesika> yeh i know :) I love this[23:30:06] <Tsyesika> unlike linux where you're developing for pulse, alsa, jaq/jack (no idea how it's spelt), OSS etc..[23:30:22] <Tsyesika> and xorg, wayland, etc..[23:30:22] <Tsyesika> :P[23:30:40] <Tsyesika> sorry i keep going on, i'll shhh[23:30:41] <Tsyesika> :P[23:31:34] <Tsyesika> Does anyone know of a usb network adpater/dongle/thing which works with haiku?[23:32:02] <munchaus1n> dont think haiku supports usb network adapters[23:32:06] <Tsyesika> awhh :([23:32:07] <Tsyesika> sad times[23:32:08] <Tsyesika> okay[23:36:37] *** Beretta021 has quit IRC[23:36:56] <Premislaus> Haiku introduces a new quality. And must have their own solutions. Only in this way will be competitive.[23:37:22] <Tsyesika> yeh and an important thing to remember is we're not trying to be linux[23:38:28] <johnny_b> then develop high quality native apps :)[23:38:30] *** luko has quit IRC[23:38:38] <Tsyesika> johnny_b I shall most likely[23:39:06] <vooshy> Tsyesika: i use this wifi bridge, requires a windows os to set-up though: http://www.vonets.com/productstype/wifi-bridge.htm[23:39:07] <AutowiredConstru> metro style apps in haiku[23:39:36] <johnny_b> of course![23:40:01] <Premislaus> Apple says Think Different. Haiku says Be Different.[23:40:16] <Tsyesika> ooo i like that Premislaus... +1 :)[23:40:41] <Tsyesika> what was i doinggg hmm[23:41:02] <Premislaus> https://spideroak.com/share/KBZGK3LJONWGC5LT/Haiku/d%3A/Haiku%20-%20SpiderOak%20share/Pictures/BEOSGirl.jpg?preview_800[23:41:15] <Premislaus> https://spideroak.com/share/KBZGK3LJONWGC5LT/Haiku/d%3A/Haiku%20-%20SpiderOak%20share/Pictures/jelon_haiku_hh.png?preview_800[23:42:05] <Tsyesika> :)[23:42:09] *** Beretta021 has joined #haiku[23:42:13] <Premislaus> :P[23:42:18] <AutowiredConstru> oh nice pictures for wanking[23:42:20] <AutowiredConstru> thank[23:42:25] <Tsyesika> O_o[23:42:30] <Tsyesika> errr....[23:42:55] *** AutowiredConstru was kicked by mmadia (Ouch!)[23:42:55] *** AutowiredConstru has joined #haiku[23:45:03] <Premislaus> I wanted to show my wallpaper in Haiku. But...[23:45:43] <Premislaus> http://www.animepaper.net/art/83984/sweet-vanity[23:47:27] <johnny_b> what a fine young lady! :)[23:47:41] <Premislaus> It is a pity that you can not change the color in icons subtitle.[23:47:47] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[23:51:27] <Tsyesika> Guys I have a faulty SSD which causes haiku just to hang... the entire system just freezes... What do i file this bug against?[23:52:15] <mmadia> drivers/disk[23:52:35] <Tsyesika> mmadia thanks[23:52:53] <Tsyesika> Any specific into I should include... this one is a bit funny because I can't really attach my harddrive[23:53:04] <mmadia> a best guess is good enough, as someone will eventually adjust it if needed.[23:53:11] <Premislaus> It is physically damaged?[23:54:03] *** dcase has quit IRC[23:54:04] <Tsyesika> erm... I'm not too sure it's a old SSD and recently it's been struggling and linux finally just said it can't read/write to it[23:55:12] <johndrinkwater> anyone think a gobe productive in box is worth anything?[23:55:24] <Premislaus> What is the model? Did you check the SMART?[23:56:10] <Tsyesika> I'm actually not sure I can't seem to see a model in devlist maybe i should boot into linux to see[23:56:30] *** PasNox has quit IRC[23:57:46] <Premislaus> Sandforce controllers were defective. Maybe there is a new firmware?[23:58:13] <Premislaus> johndrinkwater - i don't know, you want to sell?[23:59:02] *** bjz has joined #haiku