August 25, 2012 
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August 25, 2012 [00:03:38] <Cpy> hmm what else did i write[00:04:23] <Cpy> i'm having problems trying the grave i[00:11:55] *** Cpy is now known as Tsyesika[00:13:53] <Tsyesika> hmm this blogging software i wrote clearly has a problem[00:14:53] <jessicah> :p[00:15:01] <jessicah> mine works well[00:15:23] <jessicah> just that it's a local webapp that publishes static files to my public webhost[00:15:33] <jessicah> so it's a bit of a process, lol[00:20:08] <Tsyesika> jessicah mine randomly stopped working[00:20:13] *** bjz has joined #haiku[00:20:13] <Tsyesika> no errors or anything :s[00:20:46] <jessicah> php fail? :|[00:22:12] <Tsyesika> seems as that[00:22:40] <Tsyesika> it seems to be just quietly failing[00:23:14] *** Prodito has quit IRC[00:25:55] <Tsyesika> hmm[00:26:09] <Tsyesika> okay i've checked all the code is being executed[00:26:18] <Tsyesika> it clearly has access to the db as 2 posts are being shown[00:26:49] *** AutowiredConstru has quit IRC[00:28:05] *** jstressman has quit IRC[00:30:07] *** Prodito has joined #haiku[00:32:21] <CIA-58> haiku.master: anevilyak * hrev44581 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=6912e7d :[00:32:21] <CIA-58> getrlimit with RLIMIT_STACK now returns USER_MAIN_THREAD_STACK_SIZE[00:32:21] <CIA-58> Signed-off-by: Rene Gollent <anevilyak at gmail dot com>[00:34:46] <Tsyesika> :( I hate this[00:34:50] <Tsyesika> it won't tell me what's wrong[00:35:46] <Tsyesika> i don't mind debugging if it'd give me an ounce of direction[00:38:13] *** SMCollins has joined #haiku[00:44:17] *** qptain_Nemo has quit IRC[00:49:24] <CIA-58> mmu_man-github.sam460ex: mmu_man-github * 80dfcc73119a3c34347db3709819c6a17d9883de :[00:49:24] <CIA-58> U-Boot: check for /chosen in the FDT for an initrd holding our tgz[00:49:24] <CIA-58> * since the FDT linux boot method doesn't pass the uimage, we can't[00:49:24] <CIA-58> use it to pass the kernel+driver tgz in a multi-file uimage.[00:49:25] <CIA-58> * instead we check for the linux initrd properties in the /chosen node.[00:52:59] *** qptain_Nemo has joined #haiku[00:54:51] *** happy4crazy has quit IRC[00:59:00] *** oco2 has quit IRC[01:02:57] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[01:03:17] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[01:03:36] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[01:04:11] *** dysoco has joined #haiku[01:05:08] <dysoco> Hey, I downloaded the multiboot image, burned it in a DVD and fired up Virtualbox, I can see the "Haiku" boot image, it loads in like 2 seconds, but then it stays there... when it says "Haiku" in a black screen with some logos... is that normal ? maybe some Virtualbox bug ?[01:05:25] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[01:06:14] *** MrChucky has joined #haiku[01:06:32] *** curlyman has joined #haiku[01:06:36] *** dcase has quit IRC[01:07:27] <mmadia> i don't virtualize Haiku, but it shouldn't stick at the boot logo.[01:08:05] <dysoco> well, I guess it's a live DVD ? I'll try it in bare metal[01:08:11] *** Luko has quit IRC[01:08:23] <mmadia> sounds like a plan :)[01:08:36] <dysoco> btw, does it have any kind of GRUB or Bootloader that lets me install it with Windows ?[01:08:56] <SMCollins> bootman[01:09:19] <mmadia> http://www.haiku-os.org/guides/booting/[01:09:33] <mmadia> bootman is "BootManager" in the nightly images. (maybe r1a3 too)[01:10:50] <dysoco> well, rebooting to try it, brb :P[01:11:02] *** dysoco has quit IRC[01:12:03] <SMCollins> haiku bootmanager is simple to setup and works great. So much easier then dealing with other nix boot managers[01:12:50] *** Megaf has joined #haiku[01:13:11] *** Tsyesika has quit IRC[01:15:39] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[01:16:02] *** happy4crazy has joined #haiku[01:17:05] *** Lily has joined #haiku[01:17:19] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[01:17:33] *** Sindarion has joined #haiku[01:19:05] *** Sindarion has quit IRC[01:20:25] *** Luko has joined #haiku[01:21:20] *** rennj has joined #haiku[01:24:00] <MrChucky> I just installed on a Dell Inspiron 2650 w/ 384 memory.[01:24:26] <MrChucky> My USB headphone/ mic does not work.[01:24:37] <MrChucky> Are there drivers someplace for that?[01:26:47] <mmadia> i'm not sure how well USB sound is supported. you may get lucky with OpenSound `installoptionalpackage opensound` from Terminal.[01:27:22] <mmadia> you could also check the bug tracker, to see if there's a ticket for your hardware -- http://dev.haiku-os.org[01:28:30] <SMCollins> I wouldn't install opensound, it doesn't play nice[01:30:11] <MrChucky> I'm just surprised thsat this thing boots and works at all.[01:30:32] <MrChucky> I'm so used to a desktop with 4 gig and[01:30:37] <MrChucky> Win 7[01:30:49] *** qptain_Nemo has quit IRC[01:31:03] <SMCollins> Haiku runs fiarly well even on modest hardware[01:31:08] *** Skipp_OSX has quit IRC[01:31:14] *** jstressman has joined #haiku[01:31:49] <MrChucky> I hear it supports SQLite. Me B DB dude.[01:31:54] *** kgoods has joined #haiku[01:32:01] <SMCollins> I also do not think there is a usb audio driver that currently works[01:32:11] <MrChucky> :([01:32:17] <SMCollins> iirc, yes sqlite[01:32:48] <SMCollins> I think it is a optionalpackage you can install from terminal, but with bfs, you don't really need sqlite[01:33:39] <MrChucky> Righ but I'm doing cross platform work as it is.[01:34:11] <SMCollins> ah[01:34:35] <MrChucky> Windows Mobile and now Android.[01:34:48] <SMCollins> I send my condolences[01:35:18] <MrChucky> I said Win 8 in a meeting and though they were going to hang me.[01:35:31] <SMCollins> what are you working on ?[01:35:43] <SMCollins> would haiku be a good platform ? light, clean, easy to modify[01:36:02] <MrChucky> I uess that is why they keep me in the back room and make me play with the servers all day.[01:36:39] <MrChucky> We do lots of field service type apps.[01:36:45] *** qptain_Nemo has joined #haiku[01:36:51] <MrChucky> Remote order entry. Delivery[01:36:52] <SMCollins> are they written in a portable lanugage ?[01:36:57] <MrChucky> that sort of crap[01:37:06] <MrChucky> C#[01:37:45] <MrChucky> We have leveraged that using Rho Studio on Android[01:38:45] <Luko> hi[01:38:58] <MrChucky> I wonder if there is a Haiku implemetation for hand held devices[01:39:00] <Luko> i buy too usb sound card but dont work[01:39:19] <Luko> but in haiku source i see some usb sound card code[01:40:11] <Luko> this sound cards are plug and play, in windows and linux dont need driver[01:41:10] <SMCollins> MrChucky, haiku is x86 only right now, though there are some stalled/slow porting efforts for arm and ppc iirc[01:41:27] <SMCollins> Luko: not sure of completeness on the usb audio[01:42:01] *** Negr0_VoP2P has quit IRC[01:42:10] <Luko> maybe more easy task will be fix new OpenSound for Haiku[01:42:26] <Luko> this new version support intel hd sound cards[01:42:32] <Luko> HDA i mean[01:42:52] <Luko> but on haiku is compile ok but when run then haiku crash[01:42:57] <Luko> i try[01:43:04] <Luko> and i must reinstall haiku[01:43:11] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[01:43:32] *** jstressman has quit IRC[01:43:55] <MrChucky> Luko somebody else just told me that opensound is not nice yet.[01:44:16] <MrChucky> I too have a USB audio that does not work.[01:44:48] <MrChucky> If I could make the fonts in Visionm bigger I would love that too.[01:44:53] <Luko> MrChucky, but with opensound will work your onboard (i think you use usb becouse your internal sound doesnt work like my)[01:45:18] <MrChucky> After looking at computer screens for 30 plus years my eyes are bad.[01:45:29] <Luko> :D[01:45:39] <Luko> ok i go away,, go to sleep[01:45:42] <Luko> bye[01:45:56] <MrChucky> Oh, internal sound card on this Dell is fine.[01:45:59] *** DaaT has quit IRC[01:46:01] <Luko> haiku needs driver for iontel HD sound[01:46:13] <Luko> but i am not good programmer[01:46:21] <Luko> and i dont have much money :([01:46:43] <MrChucky> Me either[01:47:07] <Luko> and second think haiku need NVIDIA driver[01:47:13] <Luko> i have radeon[01:47:23] <Luko> but more people dont use haiku becouse have nvidia card[01:47:38] <Luko> like one of my friend[01:47:53] <Luko> ok bye,[01:47:56] <Luko> :D[01:48:00] *** Luko has quit IRC[01:48:09] <MrChucky> TTFN.[01:48:41] <SMCollins> nvidia open source drivers are pretty much a pipe dream, outside of mode setting[01:48:53] <MrChucky> I might have to give up coding and go teach[01:50:29] <SMCollins> I hear teaching doesn't pay bad, if you can find a job[01:51:21] <MrChucky> If I could get a slot teaching intro to DB that would be cool.[01:51:53] <SMCollins> those oppotunitys do exist[01:52:27] <MrChucky> I'll try some of the local tech schools[01:53:18] <MrChucky> Might be easier that getting back into radio broadcasting.[01:53:50] <SMCollins> what area you live in ?[01:54:00] <MrChucky> Kansas City[01:54:27] <SMCollins> omg, really ? you should consider moving[01:54:47] <MrChucky> I love it here[01:55:01] <SMCollins> well, theres no jobs[01:55:02] <MrChucky> I meet celebs often[01:55:13] <MrChucky> Great food[01:55:37] *** Megaf has quit IRC[01:55:51] <MrChucky> I'm too old to pick up roots.[01:56:54] <MrChucky> We just opened a great concert hall and the symphony is top flight[01:57:19] <SMCollins> your in a depressed market, you'll have to ride it out[01:57:21] <MrChucky> Oh, you knew I was boring, right?[01:57:37] <MrChucky> I guess so[01:58:17] <SMCollins> We have some local economic issues, its a rough ride in allot of spots, I got a big paying job offer to move way north to be a maintenance supervisor. but I just like it here[01:58:45] <MrChucky> Where R U?[02:00:12] <MrChucky> I'm going to go eat something[02:00:17] <MrChucky> Later!!!!![02:00:32] <MrChucky> Thsanks for the kind words[02:00:35] *** paul0 has quit IRC[02:00:41] *** MrChucky has left #haiku[02:01:23] *** Bryanstein has quit IRC[02:02:45] *** jmelesky has quit IRC[02:10:47] *** Bryanstein has joined #haiku[02:11:28] *** happy4crazy has quit IRC[02:17:37] *** stpere has joined #haiku[02:19:14] *** jstressman has joined #haiku[02:31:04] *** yosafbridge` is now known as yosafbridge[02:53:53] *** Beretta021 has quit IRC[02:54:08] *** Lily has quit IRC[02:54:21] *** sanka has quit IRC[02:56:01] *** mmadia has quit IRC[02:56:21] *** pseudomind has joined #haiku[03:04:09] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #haiku[03:21:35] *** Lily has joined #haiku[03:22:31] *** jayrulez has joined #haiku[03:22:43] * SMCollins pings hammish[03:23:26] <augiedoggie> it would probably work better if you used his actual nick[03:23:39] <hamishm> who is this 'hammish' you speak of?[03:23:44] <augiedoggie> :P[03:24:38] <SMCollins> how do I open a jar file ?[03:24:46] <augiedoggie> unzip[03:24:50] <SMCollins> I wanted to test that latest build for pcm audio support of openjdk[03:24:54] <augiedoggie> :P[03:25:00] <SMCollins> how do I make it execute ?[03:25:01] <hamishm> java -jar file.jar[03:25:07] <SMCollins> thats it[03:25:09] <SMCollins> hmm[03:25:31] <hamishm> you may have to export LIBRARY_PATH=/path/to/jre/lib/i386:$LIBRARY_PATH[03:25:32] <hamishm> before it will work[03:26:05] <SMCollins> ekkk[03:26:13] <SMCollins> you want the error log ?[03:26:37] <hamishm> yeah, pastebin it[03:27:35] <SMCollins> http://pastebin.com/prN9HEA9[03:28:19] <hamishm> yeah, like I said you need to do export LIBRARY_PATH=/path/to/jre/lib/i386:$LIBRARY_PATH[03:28:45] <SMCollins> heh ?[03:28:59] <SMCollins> you may as well speak chinese[03:29:06] <hamishm> in the console type:[03:29:18] <hamishm> export LIBRARY_PATH=/path/to/jre/lib/i386:$LIBRARY_PATH[03:29:28] <hamishm> replacing /path/to with the path to j2sdk-image[03:29:34] <SMCollins> in the java/bin directory ?[03:29:43] <hamishm> yes[03:29:44] <SMCollins> well jre/bin[03:29:48] <SMCollins> ok[03:30:26] <SMCollins> same crash, I got a error notification about a jintellitype.dll error[03:31:10] <hamishm> what's the output of 'echo $LIBRARY_PATH' ?[03:31:25] <SMCollins> ?[03:31:36] <hamishm> type echo $LIRBARY_PATH into the console[03:32:22] <SMCollins> just returns, is it supposed to do something ?[03:32:40] <hamishm> woops typo[03:32:44] <hamishm> echo $LIBRARY_PATH[03:33:37] <SMCollins> "/path/to/jre/lib/i386:%A/lib:/boot/home/config/lib:/boot/common/lib:/boot/system/lib"[03:33:52] <augiedoggie> lol[03:33:59] <hamishm> yeah you didn't replace the "/path/to" bit in the path[03:34:00] * augiedoggie couldn't help it[03:34:17] * SMCollins smack forehead[03:35:15] <SMCollins> why the fuck does terminal auto execute ahhhh[03:36:08] *** kgoods has quit IRC[03:37:24] <SMCollins> still complains about the jinellitype.dll file missing and halts[03:37:40] <hamishm> can you pastebin the full error?[03:37:49] <SMCollins> sure[03:37:54] <SMCollins> I did fix the path[03:38:29] <SMCollins> http://pastebin.com/TjvPfrhX[03:40:27] <hamishm> hmm. and that's the complete error log?[03:41:23] *** ismd has quit IRC[03:41:34] <SMCollins> thats all I got[03:41:44] <SMCollins> I am wondering if I grabbed the wrong version ?[03:41:54] *** ismd has joined #haiku[03:42:20] <hamishm> which version did you grab?[03:42:49] <SMCollins> maybe they screwed up on there end or the server borked the download ?[03:43:04] <hamishm> nah that's an error in the jdk[03:43:21] <SMCollins> hmmm, I am going to try redownloading it jic[03:43:24] <hamishm> what haiku rev are you running and is it a gcc2/4/hybrid?[03:43:40] <SMCollins> gcc2 hybrid, and its a couple of weeks old[03:43:47] <SMCollins> 44383[03:44:23] <hamishm> hmm ok[03:44:31] <hamishm> try java -client -jar whatever.jar[03:45:30] <SMCollins> nope, still bitches about that stupid .dll which is in fact in the application directory[03:46:12] <hamishm> where is the error message about the .dll?[03:46:20] <hamishm> because it's not present in the error you pastebinned[03:46:34] <SMCollins> I get that before it aborts[03:46:43] <SMCollins> I can get you a screenshot and I did mention it[03:46:57] <SMCollins> why would a nix program need a .dll[03:47:12] <SMCollins> http://jukes.googlecode.com/files/jukes-4.3.8.54-nix.zip version I downloaded[03:47:37] <hamishm> the error pops up in a dialog box or something you mean?[03:48:10] <SMCollins> yes[03:48:30] *** pseudomind has quit IRC[03:49:44] <hamishm> I'll give it a go here[03:49:54] <augiedoggie> it starts up for me[03:50:24] *** Beretta021 has joined #haiku[03:50:25] <SMCollins> so obviously, I'm doing something wrong[03:50:39] *** stpere has quit IRC[03:51:56] <hamishm> oh I think I know what it is[03:52:00] <hamishm> it's just a poorly written program[03:52:08] <hamishm> you need to start it from inside the directory where the jar is[03:52:18] <SMCollins> oh[03:52:21] <SMCollins> so ?[03:52:39] *** kcj has quit IRC[03:52:55] <hamishm> well you're in the jre/bin directory?[03:53:17] <hamishm> go to the directory where the jar is and do /path/to/jre/bin/java -jar jukes-blah.jar[03:53:47] *** pseudomind has joined #haiku[03:53:59] *** bjz has quit IRC[03:54:09] <SMCollins> ok[03:55:11] <hamishm> augiedoggie: does sound play OK for you?[03:57:34] <SMCollins> hopefully it works[03:58:39] <augiedoggie> didn't try it out[03:58:47] <SMCollins> won't play for me, doesn't seem to do anything[03:59:22] <hamishm> any error output in the terminal?[03:59:53] <SMCollins> don't see anything, but it died once I tried to do anything with it outside of manupulate some gui interface[04:00:25] <hamishm> oh[04:00:45] <hamishm> any error message when it died?[04:01:05] <SMCollins> well, its doesn't die, the gui seems to be able to be manipulated, but its like the backend just doesn't work[04:02:50] *** Postumus has quit IRC[04:03:38] <augiedoggie> hamishm: yes, sound works for me[04:04:17] <SMCollins> looks like my build is a few hrevs to far back[04:04:45] <hamishm> augiedoggie: ah, excellent[04:05:01] <hamishm> for some people it crashes the media server... haven't been able to figure out why exactly[04:05:01] <SMCollins> and, dammit java needs to be easier to use, did you ever talk to 3d eyes about that ?[04:05:08] <SMCollins> could be driver issues[04:05:35] <augiedoggie> hamishm: I'm on a pure gcc4 build if that helps narrow it :P[04:05:42] <augiedoggie> running in vbox at the moment[04:06:09] <hamishm> ah. I test on a gcc2h in vbox[04:06:59] <hamishm> SMCollins: 3deyes has some scripts to get things running nicer[04:07:19] <hamishm> first step towards better usability would be to get rid of the need for the LIBRARY_PATH workaround though[04:07:28] <SMCollins> that, would be fantastic, cuase jumping through hoops to use java, is a royal pain[04:07:48] <SMCollins> but hey, its better then it was a few months back, when we didn't even have it ![04:08:20] <augiedoggie> it did crash when I closed it[04:08:40] <augiedoggie> well, crash == intentional debugger() call[04:10:32] <augiedoggie> http://pastebin.com/PWm6pFD6[04:13:29] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC[04:15:54] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[04:16:42] <hamishm> yeah java shuts down by calling the 'exit' function[04:16:50] <augiedoggie> nice[04:16:57] <hamishm> which won't play nice with active app_server/media_server connections[04:17:16] <SMCollins> actually pausing the player, makes a annoying hush sound[04:17:19] <SMCollins> white noise like[04:17:27] <SMCollins> pause then hit play[04:17:34] <augiedoggie> I noticed that when adjusting the volume[04:17:34] <SMCollins> shhhhh loud as hell to[04:17:57] <hamishm> ah, I think I might need to memset(0) the rest of the audio buffer when it underflows then[04:17:58] <SMCollins> I'm showing 388msec of latency, with a noticeable delay in the control, but audio plays smoothly once its going[04:18:34] <hamishm> I set up the sound player with the buffer size that java chooses[04:18:44] <hamishm> maybe you can decrease that buffer size in preferences of something?[04:19:18] <SMCollins> where would I look ?[04:19:30] *** kcj has joined #haiku[04:19:37] <hamishm> in jukes preferences or options?[04:19:42] <hamishm> I don't know if there will be an option like that[04:19:43] <SMCollins> hmmm[04:19:43] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[04:20:02] <hamishm> does anyone know how to get terminal out of fullscreen btw?[04:20:04] <SMCollins> I don't see anything[04:20:15] <SMCollins> its stuck in fullscreen ?[04:20:28] <hamishm> yep[04:20:38] <SMCollins> alt + enter[04:20:50] <hamishm> aha, thanks[04:22:14] <SMCollins> hey, theres seems to be some issue with jukes, where it dies on selecting files with albums[04:25:03] <hamishm> what's the error output?[04:25:06] <SMCollins> I got it, it just selects the folder[04:25:30] <SMCollins> just doesn;t work how I'm used to haiku/windows working[04:25:48] <SMCollins> also, selecting a folder is a single click, I'm fairly used to a double click on that[04:26:09] <SMCollins> I don;t know if thats a java thing or a jukes thing ? the folder navigator for jukes is a bit funky[04:26:16] <SMCollins> but its awesome it actually works ![04:26:42] <hamishm> well those sorts of things are application level choices[04:26:45] * SMCollins send hamishm unlimited beer[04:27:10] *** pseudomind has quit IRC[04:27:33] <hamishm> :P[04:27:57] *** qptain_Nemo has quit IRC[04:28:01] <hamishm> well I found a buffer size option in the preferences for jukes[04:28:05] <SMCollins> I wonder how many applications are useable now ?[04:28:14] <SMCollins> really ? where is this buffer size option ?[04:28:18] <hamishm> it's set to 512000 which seems huge[04:28:26] <SMCollins> yeah, thats like 300msec[04:28:29] <hamishm> but whatever I set it to it goes just sets right back...[04:28:36] <SMCollins> windows handles audio applications horriably[04:29:08] <hamishm> well I know other people have got netbeans and other stuff working[04:29:31] <SMCollins> thats pretty damn cool[04:29:38] *** happy4crazy has joined #haiku[04:29:43] <hamishm> woah I just got that noise sound when pausing[04:29:53] <hamishm> yeah that's loud...[04:30:07] <SMCollins> its a buffer issue[04:30:46] <SMCollins> I am betting that buffer size is hardcoded[04:31:03] <SMCollins> likely to cover for the fact that many other operatingsystems handle audio streams poorly[04:31:08] <SMCollins> a one size fits all approach[04:31:19] <hamishm> yeah[04:31:30] <SMCollins> your pretty safe with a half second buffer[04:31:31] <hamishm> better delayed sound than glitchy sound...[04:31:49] <SMCollins> thats windows motto[04:31:56] <SMCollins> better late then controlable[04:34:38] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[04:36:20] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[04:37:13] <hamishm> ok, fixed the loud noise issue[04:37:16] <hamishm> buffer underrun[04:38:35] <SMCollins> that was quick[04:39:06] *** bjz has joined #haiku[04:39:33] <SMCollins> so did you implmenet the java audio i/o as a driver or part of the media kit ?[04:40:30] <hamishm> it uses the media kit, BSoundPlayer for output[04:40:43] <hamishm> and the private SoundConsumer for input (although I haven't gotten this to work yet)[04:41:01] <SMCollins> ah[04:41:11] <SMCollins> I was wondering how you went about it[04:41:20] <SMCollins> I wish the QT port had a audio backend ![04:41:45] <hamishm> I'm surprised it doesn't[04:42:00] <SMCollins> I know[04:42:01] <hamishm> writing a simple audio output is quite trivial compared to the GUI stuff[04:42:12] <hamishm> maybe they got tired after the GUI port though[04:42:27] <SMCollins> well, theres the qtmultimedia thing they introduced in 4.7 iirc, that makes almost all QT apps work[04:42:39] <SMCollins> I thought they did the QT port as sort of a demo[04:43:01] <SMCollins> if the qt media back end worked, we could have a html5 browser that day once the qt webkit port was updated[04:43:13] <SMCollins> and debugged[04:45:10] <hamishm> well the html5 video stuff is quite a step up from a simpel audio output[04:45:13] <hamishm> simple*[04:47:01] <SMCollins> its all in the qtwebkit[04:47:15] <SMCollins> the media backend to connect it to the haiku media server just isn;t there[04:48:48] <hamishm> I wonder if that effort would be better spent on Haiku's webkit port?[04:49:31] <SMCollins> or if that effort could be used in haikus webkit implementation ?[04:49:40] <SMCollins> I don't know, your a developer.[04:53:24] <hamishm> yeah, that's what I 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got a poster signed by one of our local olympians this afternoon :D[08:55:41] <jstressman> awesome! :D[08:55:42] <jessicah> evening :p[08:55:47] <jessicah> 7pm[08:55:50] <jessicah> but close[08:56:29] <jessicah> he won bronze in the keirin (track cycling event)[08:57:05] <jstressman> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keirin[08:57:38] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[08:57:51] <jessicah> yup[08:57:54] <jstressman> I watched a special several months back about the development of the sport. :)[08:58:07] <jessicah> it's huge in japan[08:58:11] <jstressman> (I watch a ton of Japanese shows on NHK that cover stuff like that...)[08:58:34] <jessicah> simon is going back to japan next week to race in the japanese pro keirin circuits[08:58:43] <jstressman> :D ![08:58:58] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[08:59:34] <jessicah> the lil powered bicycle out front is soooo cute[09:00:17] <jstressman> hehe[09:00:28] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[09:00:38] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[09:00:43] <jessicah> i'm going to try track cycling this summer[09:01:48] <jessicah> it's kinda scary not being able to stop pedalling[09:01:51] <jessicah> and no brakes[09:02:12] <jstressman> :O[09:02:22] <jstressman> you can't stop pedaling? and no brakes!?[09:02:28] <jstressman> wtf.... that just sounds insane. :([09:02:33] <jessicah> fixed gearing. if you stop pedalling you'll throw yourself over the handlebars[09:02:53] <jstressman> what is the point of that? that just sounds super dangerous for no reason.[09:03:22] <jessicah> it's on a velodrome. no wind, controlled conditions[09:03:27] <jessicah> so you don't really need brakes[09:03:59] <jessicah> track racing is predominantly about sprinting. having gears and/or freewheeling isn't really useful[09:04:20] <jessicah> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLmZSmZ0s60[09:04:34] <jessicah> at about 7 minutes has simon about to race[09:05:11] *** RQ has joined #haiku[09:09:04] * jstressman looks[09:12:05] <jessicah> 11:57 has photo finish[09:12:06] <jstressman> I 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#haiku[16:51:50] <Tsyesika> Hey[16:57:06] *** netstar has quit IRC[17:01:49] *** Luko has quit IRC[17:04:03] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[17:05:18] <Tsyesika> haiku keeps freezing =/[17:05:24] <Tsyesika> I don't know if it's haiku or some hardware issue[17:05:47] <Tsyesika> I'll try a linux[17:08:14] <apm1> try with ubuntu for max hardware support[17:08:25] <Tsyesika> I'm trying trisquel[17:09:16] <apm1> oh i run trisquel too[17:09:25] <Tsyesika> :)[17:09:33] <apm1> mini or gnome ?[17:09:45] <Tsyesika> erm i don't actually run it i'm just grabbing it to test[17:09:59] <Tsyesika> on my linux machiens i run gentoo[17:10:04] <apm1> which one r you downloading ?[17:10:09] <Tsyesika> gnome[17:10:16] <apm1> ok[17:10:32] <apm1> gnome is better than mini imho[17:11:00] <apm1> i single boot trisquel gnome on my mac[17:11:32] <apm1> what runs on a mac can run on anything :d[17:13:33] *** ddavid123 has quit IRC[17:19:35] * Tsyesika taps her fingers waiting for dd[17:20:24] <apm1> what flash drive ?[17:20:52] <Tsyesika> just generic usb pendrive[17:23:01] <apm1> usb 2.0[17:23:08] <apm1> what brand ?[17:23:20] <Tsyesika> why[17:23:44] <apm1> nah don't answer i just like talking :d[17:23:50] *** oco has quit IRC[17:24:32] <Tsyesika> hmm[17:25:23] <Tsyesika> it looks pretty[17:25:26] * apm1 facepalm[17:25:56] <AutowiredConstru> lol[17:26:42] <apm1> AutowiredConstru: what you laughing at :d[17:26:45] *** rdmr has quit IRC[17:27:34] <Tsyesika> brb[17:27:55] <AutowiredConstru> at fuckpalming[17:28:17] <apm1> AutowiredConstru: that's facepalming not the "f" palming[17:28:24] <AutowiredConstru> sorry[17:28:33] <AutowiredConstru> than i take back lol[17:28:58] *** duvjones has joined #haiku[17:30:00] <Tsyesika> hmm it's not frozen yet[17:31:13] <Tsyesika> maybe it's a disk issue? I donno[17:32:00] <apm1> i think it's a intel gpu driver issue[17:32:21] <Tsyesika> I don't because it's just started occuring[17:32:31] <Tsyesika> and you don't know i have an intel gpu[17:34:47] *** apm1 has quit IRC[17:35:30] <Tsyesika> did they leave because of what i said? :S[17:37:50] *** ddavid123 has joined #haiku[17:39:30] *** Hubert_ has quit IRC[17:40:47] <Tsyesika> ah see it's frozen again it seems[17:41:01] *** ddavid123 has quit IRC[17:41:03] <OmniMancer> is there anything that happens around the freezes?[17:41:15] <OmniMancer> and what version of haiku are you running?[17:41:41] <Tsyesika> OmniMancer: well i'm trying to install it, i figured i might as well install since it was freezing on the previous system[17:41:54] *** happy4crazy has quit IRC[17:42:11] <OmniMancer> what version are you trying to install?[17:42:19] <OmniMancer> and what hardware is it running on?[17:42:19] <Tsyesika> latest nightly[17:42:24] <Tsyesika> aspire one[17:42:44] <Tsyesika> but i had haiku running on this before it's been the sole OS[17:43:39] <Tsyesika> and i know it's not an update as it was running fine and began after like a day of using it when i opened too many tabs it would just max out ram and cpu and never return[17:43:53] <Tsyesika> and then when i rebooted (to get out of the freezing) it began doing it as soon as the system started[17:43:59] <OmniMancer> when you say freezing, does it stop and you have to restart, or does it unfreeze?[17:44:09] <Tsyesika> no i have to restart[17:44:17] <Tsyesika> the mouse doesn't respond no graphics changes[17:44:28] <OmniMancer> hmmm[17:44:44] <OmniMancer> is virtual memory turned on and how much ram do you have?[17:44:49] <Tsyesika> so i figured i'd re-install, grabbed the latest nightly and it freezes[17:45:00] *** happy4crazy has joined #haiku[17:45:10] <OmniMancer> and have you tried running memtest?[17:45:30] <Tsyesika> I guess that is my next move, i did try running a linux distro for a while in the live enviroment[17:45:38] <Tsyesika> it was perfectly fine[17:45:46] <OmniMancer> how much RAM?[17:46:03] <Tsyesika> errm i actually don't know i'd hazard a guess at 512[17:46:34] <Tsyesika> erm i'll dd a linux on and give you a confirmation give me 5 mins[17:46:38] <OmniMancer> can you check the virtual memory preflet, and turn it on if its not?[17:46:49] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[17:46:55] <OmniMancer> that is if it doesn't freeze before then[17:47:18] *** Skipp_OSX has joined #haiku[17:47:18] <Tsyesika> two secs i'm shoving linux on the pendrive i'm using[17:47:22] <Tsyesika> i'll run memtest[17:50:29] *** happy4crazy has quit IRC[17:51:47] *** Blub\w has quit IRC[17:51:48] <Tsyesika> yeh it's got 512mb[17:51:53] <Tsyesika> i'm running memtest[17:52:55] *** happy4crazy has joined #haiku[18:03:21] <Tsyesika> nearly done, 10% left[18:05:29] <Tsyesika> what the hell why has it gone back to pass 0%[18:05:52] <Tsyesika> OmniMancer: it did one pass through all the tests and stuff and no errorsa[18:05:59] <Tsyesika> *errors[18:06:37] *** Barrett has quit IRC[18:06:39] <Tsyesika> I can do a few more passes[18:06:52] *** negusnyul has quit IRC[18:07:11] *** negusnyul has joined #haiku[18:07:35] <OmniMancer> Tsyesika: can you run haiku again and check if virtual memory is turned on?[18:07:48] <Tsyesika> Sure thing two seconds[18:09:43] *** ddavid123 has joined #haiku[18:11:11] *** Smartnow has joined #haiku[18:13:13] <Tsyesika> OmniMancer: on the pendrive booted with the latest haiku nightly... virtual memory is disabled.[18:13:42] <OmniMancer> I mean on the installed haiku if it still boots[18:13:50] <Tsyesika> it doesn't...[18:13:55] <Tsyesika> i wiped the partition[18:14:30] <Tsyesika> I do a nuke 'n pave quite often on my system[18:15:51] <Tsyesika> OmniMancer: the freezing occurs during the installation too so i can't get it on the system to boot it[18:16:21] <OmniMancer> try turning virtual memory on and then installing[18:17:34] <Tsyesika> how large should i make it[18:17:50] <Tsyesika> i'll make it maximum[18:19:05] *** ddavid123 has quit IRC[18:19:11] <OmniMancer> no[18:19:14] <OmniMancer> do no[18:19:16] <OmniMancer> not[18:19:19] <OmniMancer> oh wait :/[18:19:26] <Tsyesika> huh[18:19:30] <OmniMancer> there isn't very much space in the images :/[18:19:40] <Tsyesika> nah 64mb of virtual memory[18:19:40] <OmniMancer> this makes a file on the pendrive and uses it as swap[18:19:55] <OmniMancer> you might get away with 64[18:20:23] <Tsyesika> i don't see why it'd need it though i have plenty of memory to do this[18:20:30] <Tsyesika> nope[18:20:32] <Tsyesika> frozen[18:20:59] <Tsyesika> the system by looking at the status in deskbar of when it frozen cpu at 0% pretty much and memory only using like 20% of it[18:21:03] <Tsyesika> from looking at the bars[18:21:19] <Tsyesika> mouse frozen, nothing happening, the light on the pendrive no longer flashing (not reading from it)[18:21:58] <Tsyesika> i can leave it if you want see if it comes back[18:22:23] <Tsyesika> i have left it about 5 minutes in this state and nothing[18:22:29] <OmniMancer> hmmk[18:22:49] *** Hubert_ has joined #haiku[18:22:50] <OmniMancer> does atl+sysreq+d do anything?[18:23:04] <Tsyesika> nope[18:33:24] *** Luko has joined #haiku[18:34:48] <Tsyesika> any ideas OmniMancer?[18:35:21] *** Spacewalker has quit IRC[18:36:09] <OmniMancer> hmmm[18:36:27] <OmniMancer> the syslog would be useful here probably[18:36:55] <OmniMancer> but I'm not sure if the interesting bit could be retrieved[18:38:27] <Tsyesika> mm[18:38:40] <Tsyesika> maybe i should try an older nightly[18:38:47] <Tsyesika> just to check it really isn't a change[18:39:06] *** curlyman has joined #haiku[18:44:42] *** idefix_gromit has joined #haiku[18:45:00] *** Smartnow has quit IRC[18:46:40] *** PasNox has quit IRC[18:46:48] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[18:50:59] <Tsyesika> OmniMancer: nope even versions which have worked seemlessly fail[18:51:25] <Tsyesika> maybe i should try running tests on the ssd then[18:51:26] <OmniMancer> Tsyesika: okay that seems to point towards a hardware reason[18:51:31] <Tsyesika> OmniMancer: yeh[18:51:39] <OmniMancer> anything change recently?[18:51:43] *** alexandros_c has quit IRC[18:51:49] <Tsyesika> nope[18:52:15] <Tsyesika> OmniMancer: i'll try installing a linux distro on it[18:57:33] *** Spacewalker has joined #haiku[18:57:34] *** Spacewalker has joined #haiku[19:00:58] *** fhein has quit IRC[19:04:47] *** stpere has joined #haiku[19:05:43] *** jprostko has quit IRC[19:07:28] *** alexandros_c has joined #haiku[19:10:00] *** Tsyesika has quit IRC[19:10:50] *** AutowiredConstru has quit IRC[19:16:34] *** nyl has joined #haiku[19:21:40] *** Negr0_VoP2P has joined #haiku[19:21:58] *** Tsyesika has joined #haiku[19:27:24] *** pseudomind has joined #haiku[19:43:33] *** dsjonny has joined #haiku[19:45:20] *** dsjonny has left #haiku[19:57:43] *** pseudomind has quit IRC[20:00:15] *** fhein has joined #haiku[20:09:03] *** nyl has quit 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*** Tyesika is now known as Tsyesika[20:52:11] <Tsyesika> and It seems i can't spell my name[20:53:22] <Premislaus> hmm?[20:53:27] <Tsyesika> :P[20:53:41] <Tsyesika> well linux installed so i'm not sure what to make of haiku freezing[20:53:54] <Tsyesika> maybe a hardware problem not being gracefully handled?[20:54:55] *** Luko has quit IRC[20:55:00] <Premislaus> Tsjesika - Polish pronunciation[20:55:23] <Premislaus> after freezing - right alt( altgr)+print screen( sysrq)+d[20:55:44] <Tsyesika> i tried it[20:55:48] <Premislaus> ints[20:55:51] <Premislaus> and bt?[20:55:52] <Tsyesika> it didn't work, so clearly the kernel has frozen[20:56:03] <Premislaus> usb keyboard?[20:56:13] <Tsyesika> not to my knwoledge[20:56:53] <Tsyesika> Premislaus: also you're trying to pronounce a name in polish which is na'vi :P[20:56:57] <Tsyesika> my english name is jessica[20:57:08] <Premislaus> :P[20:57:44] <Tsyesika> Premislaus: I'm going to try again I think...[20:58:01] <Premislaus> Try keyboard with ps2[20:58:12] <Tsyesika> I don't have ps2 ports it's a netbook[20:58:40] <Premislaus> Maybe disable something in the bootloader?[20:58:52] <Tsyesika> Premislaus: it did work though so...[20:59:48] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[21:01:13] <Premislaus> BTW, I watched Avatar in the cinema... Terribly bored me :P[21:01:28] <Tsyesika> awhh :([21:02:49] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[21:02:49] *** JsobCloud_ is now known as JsobCloud[21:03:53] <Tsyesika> Premislaus: i love na'vi ... avatar is a good film[21:03:58] <Tsyesika> amazing language tho[21:04:40] <Tsyesika> Premislaus: http://tsyesika.co.uk my blog ^_^[21:04:41] <Premislaus> I do not know, report a bug. The keyboard can be connected internally via USB.[21:04:59] <Tsyesika> Premislaus: i know it can[21:05:28] <Tsyesika> right brb[21:05:59] *** Tsyesika has quit IRC[21:07:38] *** Blub\w has joined #haiku[21:11:42] <CIA-58> haiku.master: stpere * hrev44583 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=a70b623 :[21:11:42] <CIA-58> FileTypes : IconView for non-applications fixes [2 commits][21:11:42] <CIA-58> IconView is now only setting the icon with BAppFileInfo when the file is an application,[21:11:42] <CIA-58> otherwise relies on BNodeInfo. This avoids adding ressources within data files.[21:11:42] <CIA-58> The IconView also wasn't populated correctly when used on data files (by opposition to[21:11:43] <CIA-58> application binaries). It now loads the same icon that is shown in Tracker.[21:14:02] *** negusnyul has quit IRC[21:17:06] *** MatthewH12 has joined #haiku[21:23:31] *** pseudomind has joined #haiku[21:25:46] *** luko has joined #haiku[21:26:12] *** luko has quit IRC[21:26:40] *** luko has joined #haiku[21:32:06] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[21:33:00] *** AutowiredConstru has joined #haiku[21:33:27] *** Spacewalker has quit IRC[21:41:37] *** Barrett has quit IRC[21:46:24] *** ThinkT510 has joined #haiku[21:46:40] <ThinkT510> hi guys, does python3 run on haiku?[21:47:20] <Premislaus> no, only python 2.6.7[21:48:01] <ThinkT510> aww, any plans on porting 3?[21:48:27] <nortti> well you can use 3to2[21:49:23] <Premislaus> i don't know[21:49:45] *** luko has quit IRC[21:49:50] <nortti> it converts python 3 code to python 2[21:49:51] *** idefix_gromit has joined #haiku[21:49:58] <Premislaus> http://ports.haiku-files.org[21:51:19] <Premislaus> http://ports.haiku-files.org/browser//haikuports/trunk/dev-lang/python[21:51:56] <Premislaus> Thwere is .bep file for python 3.2[21:52:01] <Premislaus> *There[21:52:03] <ThinkT510> sweet[21:52:54] <Premislaus> http://ports.haiku-files.org/wiki/BepFile[21:52:54] <ThinkT510> doesn't seem to have been touched in a while though[21:57:15] <ThinkT510> anywho, thanks for the info and keep up the awesome work![21:57:19] *** ThinkT510 has left #haiku[21:59:06] *** nsuperbus has quit IRC[22:06:09] *** pseudomind has quit IRC[22:06:38] *** luko has joined #haiku[22:07:35] *** pseudomind has joined #haiku[22:08:38] *** luroh has joined #haiku[22:09:55] *** Tsyesika has joined #haiku[22:10:13] <Tsyesika> Hey[22:10:57] <Tsyesika> Still having haiku issues[22:12:06] <AutowiredConstru> haiku is usable?[22:12:24] <Tsyesika> AutowiredConstru: I use it for most things so[22:12:29] <Tsyesika> I guess you could say that... it depends what you do[22:12:30] <AutowiredConstru> eek[22:12:49] <AutowiredConstru> i thought it will never be released[22:12:54] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[22:12:54] <AutowiredConstru> like duke nukem[22:13:01] <Tsyesika> it will be released :P[22:13:17] <Tsyesika> Just because they want it to be ready[22:13:19] *** luko has quit IRC[22:14:20] <Premislaus> Tsyesika: This film has a very naive storyline. Pocahontas in space. In reality they would be pacified. Their planet would have been exploited.[22:14:35] <Premislaus> For me is usable.[22:14:50] <Tsyesika> Premislaus: i disagree but okay :P I'm not asking you to like it hehe[22:15:04] <Tsyesika> Premislaus: Still having problems... linux installed on the machine just fine and booted fine[22:15:12] <Tsyesika> so it leads me back to think maybe haiku problem[22:15:27] * Anarchos thought that too , but just lost a 20Gb partition last week[22:15:36] <Tsyesika> Anarchos: huh?[22:15:51] <Anarchos> Tsyesika yes i got a corrupted BFS unrecoverable[22:15:57] <Tsyesika> ah[22:16:06] <Tsyesika> well you run the risk of these things running an alpha OS[22:16:10] <Anarchos> Tsyesika i did a dump of it, so i know my infos are still there[22:16:21] <Anarchos> Tsyesika but recover crashed on it :)[22:16:39] <Tsyesika> ah[22:16:44] <Tsyesika> reported it i take it?[22:17:11] <Anarchos> Tsyesika yes i reported and axel answered me he has not time yet . So i wait with my dump in a cold case :)[22:17:26] <Tsyesika> ahh okY[22:17:28] <Tsyesika> *okay[22:18:17] <AutowiredConstru> Haiku braucht noch GCC 2.95[22:18:56] <AutowiredConstru> http://www.haiku-os.org/news/2009-01-31/haiku_finally_gets_a_native_gcc4_full_story_inside[22:19:45] <Premislaus> I'm using gcc4h version[22:19:47] <Premislaus> A programs compiled with gcc4 runs on gcc2h.[22:19:57] <AutowiredConstru> lol haiku is much better than linux[22:20:04] <AutowiredConstru> i saw it in screenshot[22:20:04] <Tsyesika> I love haiku[22:20:27] <Tsyesika> I just sooooo wish it'd install i can't work out why it's freezing[22:21:47] <Tsyesika> I can't work out what the problem is...[22:21:53] <stpere> AutowiredConstru, last I've heard, DNF has been released :P[22:22:16] <Premislaus> It's your only computer?[22:22:25] <AutowiredConstru> but it was horrible. i hope haiku is better than dnf[22:22:30] <stpere> of course[22:22:34] *** [r4] has joined #haiku[22:22:34] <AutowiredConstru> great![22:22:48] <stpere> that wasn't my point :P[22:23:53] <Premislaus> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1scU2UtiPFs&feature=related - great song[22:26:36] <AutowiredConstru> thats my point .[22:26:49] <AutowiredConstru> haiku new release in 2013[22:26:53] <AutowiredConstru> alpha 4[22:27:10] <Tsyesika> I don't think it's ready for alpha 4 yet[22:27:15] <Tsyesika> It's good but[22:27:25] *** Spacewalker has joined #haiku[22:27:25] *** Spacewalker has joined #haiku[22:27:27] <AutowiredConstru> lol[22:27:47] <Premislaus> alpha4 will be in September[22:27:47] <AutowiredConstru> let there be 10 alphas[22:27:50] <AutowiredConstru> wow[22:27:53] <Tsyesika> :P[22:28:05] <Tsyesika> I'm a big believer in don't release if it's not ready[22:28:19] <nortti> after alpha10 will there be a beta1?[22:28:31] <Tsyesika> most likely[22:29:08] <AutowiredConstru> beta 1 - 20[22:29:24] <AutowiredConstru> than rtm 1 - 50[22:29:39] <Tsyesika> in the OSS world it's usually called rc[22:29:45] <AutowiredConstru> :P[22:29:49] <nortti> after that gamma 1-100?[22:29:56] <Premislaus> My first girlfriend always told me, that is not ready :P[22:29:57] <AutowiredConstru> will be released in stores[22:30:12] <AutowiredConstru> as normal cd[22:30:58] <nortti> will there still be a downloadable version?[22:31:08] <Tsyesika> I doubt that will be the case AutowiredConstru[22:31:15] <AutowiredConstru> oO[22:31:28] <AutowiredConstru> it now has cd version for ordering[22:31:37] <Tsyesika> yeh[22:32:05] <AutowiredConstru> it will give the same feeling as buying win 95 in the good old days[22:32:33] <Tsyesika> in the same respect you don't go into shops to buy ubuntu or whatever i doubt you will with haiku[22:32:51] <nortti> will Haiku R1 be BeOS R5 compatible?[22:32:58] *** idefix_gromit has left #haiku[22:32:59] <Tsyesika> should be[22:35:32] *** idefix_gromit has joined #haiku[22:35:47] <Tsyesika> humph[22:39:15] <Tsyesika> does anyone know some free SSD checking software?[22:40:53] <Premislaus> AS SSD, IO Meter,[22:41:42] <AutowiredConstru> wrong. beos was a german product[22:41:51] <Premislaus> ATTO Disk Benchmark[22:41:54] <AutowiredConstru> high quality like everything from germany[22:42:37] <Premislaus> AutowiredConstru: Design in California, assembled in China[22:42:59] <Tsyesika> Premislaus: both of those seem to be windows[22:43:38] *** oco has joined #haiku[22:44:13] <Premislaus> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SSD_Benchmarking - You need to look on the Linux pages... Phoronix[22:51:24] *** Barrett has quit IRC[22:57:01] <AutowiredConstru> no zeta is german: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQW-q2vp6W4[22:57:59] <Postumus> AutowiredConstru, the announcer looks like a dishonest used car salesman.[22:59:49] *** Spacewalker has quit IRC[23:00:38] *** duvjones has quit IRC[23:01:54] *** happy4crazy has quit IRC[23:02:16] *** backb0ne has quit IRC[23:02:30] *** backb0ne has joined #haiku[23:02:32] *** andrewbachmann has joined #haiku[23:03:03] <andrewbachmann> yay got a new wifi card in my laptop that is supported by haiku[23:04:00] <Tsyesika> woot![23:04:02] <Tsyesika> what wifi card?[23:05:09] <andrewbachmann> Intel Centrino Ultimate-N 6300 ABGN[23:08:05] <andrewbachmann> no sound though :-([23:08:25] <Tsyesika> awhh[23:08:35] <Tsyesika> I wanna know why it's freezing[23:08:39] <Tsyesika> I don't wanna have to change OS's[23:08:47] *** netstar has joined #haiku[23:09:13] <andrewbachmann> hmm my install seems very solid[23:09:25] <Tsyesika> mine won't even install :([23:09:41] <AutowiredConstru> after watching this video i'm horrible excited about zeta. i want to buy[23:09:49] <andrewbachmann> gcc2 hybrid r44501[23:10:05] <nortti> wasn't the development of zeta stopped over a legal issue?[23:10:07] <andrewbachmann> nightly build[23:10:19] <Tsyesika> I'm excited about haiku :P[23:10:47] <AutowiredConstru> haiku has no good tv advertisement[23:10:56] <nortti> tv ads...[23:11:42] <Tsyesika> why does it need it :)[23:11:52] <Tsyesika> I love haiku so muchhh[23:12:24] <Tsyesika> i'd rather haiku project put the money they might spend on adds into developers[23:12:34] <andrewbachmann> tseyesika were you installing from USB or CD?[23:14:06] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[23:14:31] <AutowiredConstru> hangs in virtualbox[23:15:55] <Tsyesika> usb[23:16:26] <andrewbachmann> CD worked better for me[23:16:36] <Tsyesika> andrewbachmann: it was my main OS on this netbook though and i've tried the exact same images on it and it hang[23:16:37] <Tsyesika> *hangs[23:16:41] <Tsyesika> before it had no problems[23:16:48] <Tsyesika> andrewbachmann: it's a netbook, it has no CD drive[23:16:55] <andrewbachmann> yeah I figured, very common now[23:17:44] <andrewbachmann> ok gtg good luck[23:17:50] *** andrewbachmann has quit IRC[23:31:18] *** Barrett has quit IRC[23:34:18] *** oco has quit IRC[23:38:40] <AutowiredConstru> does haiku support kqueue or epoll?[23:41:10] *** Hubert_ has quit IRC[23:42:12] <AutowiredConstru> ok i read haiku doesn't want to be a server os, so they don't support something like this[23:44:23] <Tsyesika> AutowiredConstru: you're right, haiku doesn't want to be a server OS ... the likely hood of them supporting server stuff is low.[23:46:08] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #726 of x86-FreeBSD-host is complete: Failure [failed [x86gcc2] @alpha-anyboot [x86gcc2] @alpha-vmware [x86gcc2] @alpha-raw [x86gcc2hybrid] @alpha-anyboot [x86gcc2hybrid] @alpha-vmware [x86gcc2hybrid] @alpha-raw] Build details are at http://mmadia.dyndns.org:8010/builders/x86-FreeBSD-host/builds/726 blamelist: Jessica Hamilton <jessica.l.hamilton at gmail dot com>,[23:46:09] <HAIKU-Buildbot> Philippe Saint-Pierre <stpere at gmail dot com>[23:46:47] <Tsyesika> D:[23:46:53] *** Hubert_ has joined #haiku[23:46:57] <Tsyesika> jessicah: would that be you by any chance ;)[23:48:23] <AutowiredConstru> a woman broke the build[23:49:55] <Tsyesika> mhmm... so?[23:50:32] <AutowiredConstru> woman should not programm[23:51:35] <Tsyesika> oi, i'm a woman, i program[23:51:56] <AutowiredConstru> i don't believe that there are 2 woman in one freenode irc channel[23:52:09] <AutowiredConstru> that must be impossible!!!!![23:52:13] <Tsyesika> believe what you want lol[23:52:19] <Tsyesika> my name is also jessica[23:52:23] <AutowiredConstru> lol[23:53:46] <stpere> haha, no, it would have failed earlier. I commited it hours ago[23:53:58] <stpere> it's most probably a temporary glitch in buildbot[23:54:30] <Tsyesika> she wrote an OS in ocaml[23:54:31] <Tsyesika> ?[23:54:41] * Tsyesika is totally not stalking her on github :3[23:54:41] <Tsyesika> :P[23:55:32] <Anarchos> jessicah i have much fun programming the ocaml runtime in assembly :)[23:56:34] <Tsyesika> I've[23:56:40] <Tsyesika> *I've never played with ocaml[23:56:59] <Tsyesika> I'm python, C and PHP girl[23:57:01] <Tsyesika> I did a bit of Go![23:57:14] <Tsyesika> nothing substantial though[23:58:38] <stpere> C/C++, Pascal, JavaScript, LISP/Scheme (not a lot), PHP, some SPARC asm[23:58:42] <Tsyesika> I'm doing some C++ now I'm using haiku more and more[23:58:49] <Tsyesika> I've heard scheme is paticually fun[23:59:02] <stpere> for various definitions of fun :)[23:59:07] <Tsyesika> :P[23:59:16] <Tsyesika> like ... programming is fun but i've heard scheme takes that to a new level[23:59:25] <Tsyesika> though I've not come across which needs it so...[23:59:28] <stpere> it's definitely different[23:59:42] <stpere> so, you prefer it, or you hate it[23:59:58] <Tsyesika> I've taken a look at it... it's pretty funky ... I do love the functional paradgim