August 24, 2012 
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August 24, 2012 [00:00:46] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[00:02:56] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[00:03:03] *** rdmr has quit IRC[00:03:43] *** dcase has quit IRC[00:03:47] *** nsuperbus has quit IRC[00:06:49] *** luroh has quit IRC[00:12:09] *** daedaluz has quit IRC[00:20:43] *** Postumus has joined #haiku[00:20:46] <Postumus> Hello![00:21:01] <Postumus> @seen darkwyrm[00:21:59] <augiedoggie> I don't recall ever seeing him in irc[00:23:15] <Postumus> Hmm, I was, err... Following his blog, then he stopped posting.[00:23:23] <AutowiredConstru> maybe he is dead[00:23:32] <Postumus> :-( Why?[00:25:44] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[00:26:01] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[00:26:08] <johnny_b> AutowiredConstru: it's not funny[00:26:08] *** Premislaus has joined #haiku[00:26:13] <Premislaus> hi[00:26:14] <augiedoggie> he posted an email to the list a few days/week ago[00:26:20] <AutowiredConstru> just a wild guess[00:26:30] <augiedoggie> he's probably busy with school starting up, he's a teacher[00:26:44] <Postumus> I see, augiedoggie.[00:27:16] <johnny_b> Postumus: try to reach him via email[00:29:06] <Postumus> johnny_b, understood.[00:29:15] <johnny_b> :)[00:29:21] <AutowiredConstru> :DDDDDD[00:30:03] <johnny_b> good night[00:30:09] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[00:30:23] *** johnny_b has quit IRC[00:31:31] *** kcj has joined #haiku[00:35:58] *** happy4crazy has quit IRC[00:38:26] <AutowiredConstru> i actually love declaring people as dead that are alive[00:38:50] <AutowiredConstru> but haiku isn't dead[00:39:17] <AutowiredConstru> its in an undefined state of weirdness[00:41:52] <Postumus> It's like a cat in a box with poison![00:42:14] <jezek2> AutowiredConstru: I bet you're fan of Cyanide & Happiness comix :)[00:44:00] <munchaus1n> yo[00:44:24] <munchaus1n> back from pub[00:44:56] <Postumus> ... The pub... Alcohol is too expensive around these parts to routinely drink in a pub![00:46:43] <munchaus1n> Who says its routine?[00:47:03] <munchaus1n> ...(its routine)..[00:48:07] <munchaus1n> Well, not that routine. But alcohol expensive, especially for someone in my income bracket[00:48:10] <munchaus1n> :p[00:48:37] <Premislaus> I would like to boast himself. http://osnews.pl/author/premislaus/ - my news about Haiku. Once they had a crash and all my news are not listed... http://osnews.pl/?s=haiku . http://osworld.pl/author/premislaus/ - Not everything they want to publish. 1200-1600 daily unique visitors, 80% of the returnees, promote Open Source in business. Someone asked me how to help the Haiku, I wrote a large...[00:48:39] <Premislaus> ...comment. But google translate, does not translate well from Polish to English. http://osworld.pl/voptop-komunikator-internetowy-dla-haiku/#IDComment427464699[00:55:22] <mmadia> Premislaus -- (this may be a mistranslation issue, but) just because Haiku supports POSIX, it does not mean that Haiku is similar to Linux, Unix, or *BSD.[00:56:20] <Premislaus> I wrote that getting better support POSIX... posix bugs on trac ;)[00:56:36] <Premislaus> for Posix[00:57:25] <munchaus1n> heh... yes I found a posix bug... check last nights IRC log[00:58:58] <mmadia> otherwise, that's nice advice Premislaus.[00:59:09] <Premislaus> dobreprogramy.pl - This is a very large and popular website in Poland. dobre programy - good programs, downloads, news, reviews, etc. Once they have posted a few messages about Haiku. I sent them the finished articles, but no answers.[00:59:11] <Premislaus> http://www.dobreprogramy.pl/Szukaj.html?q=Haiku[00:59:23] <mmadia> "The basic requirement is simply a constant interest in Haiku." <-- definitely a plus.[00:59:29] <Premislaus> Our user - http://translate.google.pl/translate?sl=pl&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=pl&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dobreprogramy.pl%2Fpisarzksiazkowicz%2FPoznajemy-Haiku-Historia%2C34875.html[01:00:05] <Premislaus> Appeared on the front page, in the cycle of "blogging users".[01:01:38] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[01:01:38] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[01:04:19] <Premislaus> Hubert aka Hugen - for several years he continued page about Haiku. When former BeOS users left...We try to make up for the loss.[01:06:02] <Premislaus> *they left[01:06:43] <Premislaus> Somehow after 2006 year...[01:07:19] <Premislaus> mmadia: Thank you for your appreciation.[01:09:15] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[01:20:51] *** paul0 has quit IRC[01:28:47] *** trn has quit IRC[01:31:19] *** trn has joined #haiku[01:31:25] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[01:34:45] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[01:34:45] *** JsobCloud_ is now known as JsobCloud[01:56:02] *** qptain_Nemo has quit IRC[01:57:06] *** mmadia has quit IRC[02:01:31] *** Postumus has quit IRC[02:14:31] *** oco2 has quit IRC[02:19:03] *** Negr0_VoP2P has quit IRC[02:19:43] *** qptain_Nemo has joined #haiku[02:22:58] *** stpere has joined #haiku[02:23:03] *** DocPheniX has joined #haiku[02:28:45] *** AutowiredConstru has quit IRC[02:29:14] *** qptain_Nemo has quit IRC[02:29:41] <stpere> ouch, my dignity :P[02:30:39] *** Lily has quit IRC[02:37:46] <jessicah> hmm?[02:37:57] <jessicah> i want to go back outside...[02:38:03] <jessicah> weather is sooooo nice today[02:38:09] <jessicah> boo for stuck inside working[02:38:37] <AlienSoldier> if i remove sleeping i am more outdoor than indoor[02:39:09] *** Postumus has joined #haiku[02:39:25] <stpere> oh, drunk with friend from work. said too much, heard too much. good times ! :)[02:39:31] <stpere> jessicah, where do you work?[02:39:49] <jessicah> university[02:40:03] <stpere> cool[02:40:14] <jessicah> stpere, i see you been stalking me :p[02:40:19] <stpere> working within a school is always cool[02:40:20] <stpere> lol![02:40:41] <stpere> yeah yeah :P[02:40:43] <AlienSoldier> university... :P http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuWBYG8seAE&list=UU1p7jFXjL7Q0qMii08oAeAQ&index=1&feature=plcp[02:40:53] *** Postumus has quit IRC[02:41:49] *** Postumus1 has joined #haiku[02:41:49] *** Postumus has joined #haiku[02:49:58] *** duvjones has joined #haiku[02:51:01] *** darth-cheney has joined #haiku[02:51:37] <darth-cheney> Anyone had luck getting the wm to work in Virtualbox?[02:51:49] <jessicah> wm?[02:51:55] <darth-cheney> vm, sorry[02:52:18] <jessicah> haiku works relatively okay in vbox for me[02:52:29] <jessicah> crashes vbox every now and then[02:52:33] <darth-cheney> I can't get past the loading screen[02:53:05] <jessicah> maybe you have odd vbox settings[02:54:19] <augiedoggie> is this with alpha3 or a nightly?[02:54:25] <darth-cheney> alpha3[02:54:36] <augiedoggie> last entry in http://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/R1/Alpha3/ReleaseAddendum[02:56:52] <darth-cheney> cool, still giving me problems[02:57:06] <darth-cheney> I'm gonna update vbox real quick though[02:57:45] <jessicah> you should also use a nightly[02:57:58] <jessicah> alpha4 will be out soonish (like a month or so)[02:58:18] <jessicah> lots has changed since alpha3[02:59:34] <jstressman> definitely.[02:59:41] <jessicah> hey jstressman[02:59:50] <jstressman> darth-cheney: http://haiku-files.org/haiku/development/[02:59:57] <jstressman> please grab the latest one of those to test. :)[02:59:59] <jessicah> how's the new dell working out for you?[03:00:04] <jstressman> jessicah: heyas jessica :)[03:00:04] <darth-cheney> thanks, already downloading the latest nightly[03:00:11] <jstressman> jessicah: it's absolutely awesome :D[03:00:28] <jstressman> jessicah: I'm waiting for a fix from kallisti5 though before I can use it over DVI on bare metal with Haiku. :/[03:00:30] <jessicah> did you sort out issue with gfx?[03:00:40] <jstressman> works over VGA, but I'm not going to use VGA just for that.[03:00:43] <jstressman> so it's vbox for now. :)[03:00:45] <jessicah> jstressman: oh, the screen blanking?[03:00:55] <jstressman> which is only 1600x1200... so black bars on the sides.[03:01:00] <jessicah> i dun think that's a dell issue[03:01:04] <jessicah> i have the same problem[03:01:06] <jstressman> it's not a Dell issue.[03:01:10] <jstressman> it's with the radeon driver.[03:01:10] <jessicah> on my HP with a viewsonic[03:01:17] <jessicah> but mine is intel gfx[03:01:22] <jstressman> hrm...[03:01:31] <jstressman> on mine it boots to the rocket and then goes black.[03:01:40] <jstressman> does yours do that?[03:01:43] <jessicah> yeah, same[03:01:50] <jessicah> get out of range on the monitor[03:02:00] <jstressman> did you try yours over VGA?[03:02:02] <jstressman> (or can you?)[03:02:17] <jessicah> oh wait. this is over vga[03:02:24] <jstressman> ah. :)[03:02:31] <jstressman> different problem... similar results. ^_^[03:03:08] <jessicah> similar issue. either way, it's picking a res with some sort of improper timings or smth[03:03:24] <jessicah> i wonder if there are shared code paths[03:05:09] <jstressman> way out of my league. :)[03:05:17] <stpere> AlienSoldier, 23 minutes of .. weirdness :P[03:05:42] <AlienSoldier> i love that guy :)[03:06:16] *** happy4crazy has joined #haiku[03:06:19] * AlienSoldier going back to blade runner on tele quebec[03:06:45] <stpere> whoah! blade runner on telequebec?[03:06:54] <stpere> it's a shame I don't have a tv :P[03:07:26] <darth-cheney> ok, in case anyone has this problem again, I had to disable the usb controller in vb then it worked[03:07:44] <augiedoggie> mine works fine with it enabled[03:08:12] <stpere> going to watch some netflix I guess.. night-ish[03:08:45] <darth-cheney> must be some weirdness going on[03:08:53] <darth-cheney> I kind of want to check the nightly build anyway[03:14:42] *** Postumus1 has quit IRC[03:15:12] *** stpere has quit IRC[03:15:36] *** Postumus has quit IRC[03:20:06] *** stpere has joined #haiku[03:24:48] *** darth-cheney has quit IRC[03:25:05] *** Haikuness has joined #haiku[03:26:19] <Haikuness> Hey, I noticed I often move my mouse via the trackpad on this laptop while in mediaplayer and it will take the video back to the start. Is there anyway to disable this?[03:27:26] <Haikuness> any way*[03:31:10] <jstressman> sorry, I'm not familiar with trackpads and Haiku. :/[03:32:54] *** carter_ has quit IRC[03:33:02] *** carter_ has joined #haiku[03:33:27] <Haikuness> Hopefully someone else knows, i've disabled scrollling in the options but ... I'm not sure what else to do[03:34:13] <augiedoggie> you reduced the area on the side and below?[03:35:15] <Haikuness> o i might have disabled by trackpad by accident[03:35:25] <Haikuness> o dear :([03:35:59] <Haikuness> let me go see if i can find a usb mouse...[03:36:16] *** Postumus has joined #haiku[03:36:50] <Haikuness> woot! and back[03:36:58] <Haikuness> augiedoggie: no i didn't.[03:37:17] <kallisti5> haha... i like finding random Haiku Screenshots... http://smartos.org/2011/08/15/screenshots/[03:38:24] <Haikuness> kallisti5: :) I have haiku on half of my computers :) as the sole OS[03:40:43] <Postumus> Awesome, Haikuness.[03:41:06] *** ismd has quit IRC[03:41:23] <jessicah> is there a quicker way to clone haiku repo without all the history?[03:41:34] *** ismd has joined #haiku[03:41:35] <kallisti5> jessicah: nah.. not how git works[03:41:40] <Haikuness> but yes this trackpad issue is very annoying :P The amount of times I am watching something and i need to quickly google or respond to an email so i move my mouse to go to deskbar and i find i loose my place in the video.[03:42:04] <kallisti5> Haikuness: Pro Tip: Use the touchpad preference applet :)[03:42:07] <jessicah> kallisti5: but it's so much to download :([03:42:26] <kallisti5> Haikuness: you can adjust the size of the scroll areas to none.[03:42:36] <kallisti5> jessicah: not *that* big :)[03:42:42] * augiedoggie thinks kallisti5 didn't read the scrollback[03:42:49] *** DocPheniX has quit IRC[03:42:49] <Haikuness> I reduced the size to none and my trackpad well... stopped letting me move my mouse? :S[03:42:51] <kallisti5> augiedoggie: indeed ^_^[03:43:01] <Haikuness> luckily i had a usb mouse on hand[03:43:02] <kallisti5> Haikuness: wrong direction[03:43:02] <kallisti5> n[03:43:15] <kallisti5> Haikuness: the red lines should be all the way on the right and bottom[03:43:33] <Haikuness> ahhh i see[03:43:46] <Haikuness> Thanks guys![03:43:51] <kallisti5> you also (should) see a warning before it disables your mouse if you go the wrong way.[03:43:57] <Haikuness> This is going to make my life so much easier! :)[03:44:04] <kallisti5> by default the scroll area is right side and bottom side :P[03:44:13] <kallisti5> Haikuness: glad to help[03:44:13] <Haikuness> kallisti5: I did, I ... didn't read it so it's my fault[03:44:21] * kallisti5 sticks his tounge out at augiedoggie[03:44:29] *** Haikuness has quit IRC[03:44:35] * kallisti5 gives augiedoggie the raspberries[03:44:48] * kallisti5 dances around in a circle until he notices[03:45:18] * kallisti5 grows tired of this and goes back to work[03:46:30] <jstressman> ah kallisti5 :D[03:46:52] <kallisti5> hours of fun![03:47:04] <jstressman> I was looking for you. :) I am only running the 1 monitor.[03:47:15] <kallisti5> jessicah: did it help? :D[03:47:35] <jstressman> so that's not part of the issue.[03:47:35] <kallisti5> err[03:47:49] * kallisti5 ment jstressman[03:48:11] <kallisti5> jstressman: hmm.[03:48:33] <jstressman> could it have something to do with being hooked up to one or the other of the 2 DVI jacks on the back of the video card?[03:48:43] <kallisti5> jstressman: shouldn't[03:48:55] <kallisti5> definitely try changing it though and rebooting[03:49:37] <jstressman> can't just yet... few more minutes left on a download.[03:51:06] *** Postumus has quit IRC[03:52:32] *** Postumus has joined #haiku[03:54:19] *** bjz has quit IRC[03:57:37] *** orealis has quit IRC[03:58:45] <jessicah> kallisti5: it may not be that big, but it still takes a looong time to download[03:58:47] <jessicah> at least for me[04:04:38] *** orealis has joined #haiku[04:07:18] *** nyl has quit IRC[04:09:50] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[04:14:10] *** duvjones has quit IRC[04:19:18] *** Postumus has quit IRC[04:21:07] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[04:21:37] *** duvjones has joined #haiku[04:26:20] *** bjz has joined #haiku[04:29:41] *** jayrulez has quit IRC[04:29:57] *** mattlacey has quit IRC[04:33:06] *** pseudomind has joined #haiku[04:33:07] *** ity has joined #haiku[04:34:19] *** ity has quit IRC[04:35:19] *** ity has joined #haiku[04:35:48] <ity> Evening all[04:38:10] <ity> http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/08/our-favorite-forgotten-tech-from-beos-to-zip-drives/[04:46:56] <OmniMancer> Omega is hardly forgotten there are plenty of program the robots for battle games[04:52:02] *** jstressman has left #haiku[04:52:21] <ity> brb - new vodka[04:52:24] *** ity has quit IRC[04:53:00] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[04:55:55] *** ity has joined #haiku[04:56:26] <ity> Smirnoff[04:59:59] <Prodito> jessicah: see shallow clone <git clone --depth 1 URL>[05:00:36] <Prodito> ity: i've two bottles of Absolut, can i join? ;)[05:03:02] <ity> As it happens, I would proffer Absolute. So, yes, you may join.[05:04:23] <Prodito> :P[05:04:29] <Disreali> vodka is nice for mixing. for drinking, I prefer Scotch, though any whiskey will do[05:05:32] <ity> <Policy of Truth - Depeche Mode>[05:05:55] * Disreali pours himself a snifter of Oban[05:06:13] <jessicah> i like vodka straight[05:06:19] <jessicah> or with tonic[05:06:28] <Disreali> nice song. I had the album at one point in time[05:06:34] <jessicah> Prodito: ah, that's a bit faster[05:06:57] <jessicah> couple minutes vs almost 10[05:07:07] <ity> lol[05:07:08] <Prodito> i don't drink a lot of vodka, only in winter.. champagne + red bull all day ;)[05:07:09] <Disreali> jessicah: I like vodka tonics with lime added[05:07:40] <jessicah> i dun think i've ever tried with lime[05:07:49] <ity> analog (the Depeche Mode)[05:08:18] <ity> love lime[05:08:52] <Prodito> jessicah: also there's something called orphan clone, but i never used it[05:09:38] <Disreali> jessicah: buest ti use Rose's Lime Juice or some similar sweetened lime juice. If you use straight juice it can be terrible.[05:10:12] <ity> Rose's Lime Juice - Takes me back !!!![05:10:20] <Disreali> guh! I need a backlight keyboard[05:10:36] <Disreali> KAMAKAZI[05:11:01] <Prodito> Rose's Lime Juice, never heard of it[05:11:39] <ity> LOL - yeah, MacBook vs MacBook Pro - The Kb Backlight!!!![05:11:52] <Disreali> it is a sweetened lime juice used in mixed drinks. may not be available where you are[05:11:54] <jessicah> macbook air also has[05:11:55] *** Premislaus has quit IRC[05:12:49] <ity> I need 15" MacBook Pro Retina - just putting it off… you know why $[05:13:16] <Disreali> Prodito: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose%27s_lime_juice[05:13:44] <ity> great product! (Rose's)[05:14:22] <ity> can you get it over here? (USA)[05:14:46] <jessicah> wiki says it's made with HFCS in the US, so I guess so[05:14:59] <ity> roger that[05:15:08] <jessicah> yay for HFCS =/[05:16:01] <Disreali> Rose's is the premier lime juice for cocktails.[05:16:51] <Disreali> wow! my bottle must be really old because it has sugar, not HFCS[05:17:27] <Prodito> Disreali: lol[05:17:38] <Disreali> 1993[05:17:39] <ity> vote. I need to go upstairs and play PS3 with my GF's son. Some SOTA shoot em up. ? Enjoying the Smirnoff down here with you guys.[05:18:10] <Disreali> how much do you want to impress your gf?[05:18:35] <ity> value=max[05:19:10] <ity> (lol, you have a point)[05:19:56] <Prodito> ity: go upstais with a bottle of vodka :P[05:20:02] <Prodito> upstairs[05:20:22] <ity> It's messing me up, I know all the weapons he's using, but I can't do them with a controller. Dammit![05:20:37] <ity> LOL - prodito[05:21:59] <ity> MP5, yep, 911, yep, M16, yep, etc etc - can't play for shit with a controller (showing my age ?)[05:23:05] <ity> and he knows I used to be in the Game Business, so it's worse! ( expectations)[05:25:27] <Prodito> "In India, the lime is used in Tantra for removing evil spirits" :|[05:26:08] <ity> <(sipping on Smirnoff, enjoying the chat silence)….[05:26:11] <Disreali> I can't play fps games with a controller. I played the original DooM on a keyboard and the game controller is just weird[05:26:59] <ity> me too, dammit! give me a KB and/or mouse and I'm GOOD[05:27:20] <Disreali> worse is trying to play DooM on the Iphone or Andriod devices[05:29:08] <Disreali> though, in contrast, there are games like Dragon Quest that I can't play with a kb. I need to use my logitech usb controller[05:29:13] <ity> I'm a Defender, Moon Cresta type of guy. This new stuff….[05:29:51] * Disreali googles Moon Cresta[05:30:27] <ity> (bloody awesome arcade game - I owned one for years)[05:30:33] <Disreali> wow! old style acade game[05:30:54] <ity> oh yeah! for real[05:31:42] <Disreali> I used to play TRON but that was it. PacMan was always crowded and QBert was terrible[05:31:48] <Prodito> Arcade is still popular here :P[05:31:56] <ity> sold mine to some guy in Wales days before I moved to the US[05:32:18] *** jstressman has joined #haiku[05:33:02] <ity> NOVAGEN, and yes, I worked for them. good days…….[05:33:29] <Prodito> anyone know if the lastest nightly images are working? i can't get them to run[05:33:30] <Disreali> what were to two laserdisc cartoon looking games from Don Blueth's studio? They were awesome. at least to watch[05:33:50] <Disreali> space ace?[05:34:12] <ity> alright, one more Winston light, and I'm going up there to face the music...[05:34:43] <ity> very possibly, space ace[05:35:51] <Disreali> there was a medieval dragon one also[05:35:59] <ity> yes![05:36:07] <Disreali> Dragons Lair[05:36:16] <ity> yes, that's it[05:36:35] <Disreali> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon%27s_Lair[05:36:40] <ity> I still have a Laserdisc player, and movies[05:37:11] <Disreali> I was never very good at them, but they were very fun to watch[05:37:18] <ity> I love that platform[05:37:45] <Disreali> the LaserDisc version of StarWars is still the best[05:37:51] <ity> used to play them on Atari 16bit - Space Ace[05:38:23] <ity> OMG - Star Wars LD - Know your talking[05:38:37] <ity> vector graphics[05:38:54] <ity> (now even)[05:39:11] <Disreali> Empire Strikes Back was also great. had extra scenes that were not in any other versions to date[05:40:24] <Disreali> I'm refering to the movies. I did not not know there were LD games versions[05:40:25] <ity> ducking awesome, I'd so love to play that now...[05:40:58] <Disreali> I'd like to see the games[05:41:42] <jessicah> hehe, pacman arcade games[05:41:42] * Disreali googles Star Wars LD[05:41:58] <jessicah> i loved bepac deluxe :)[05:42:02] <jessicah> my favourite beos game[05:42:48] <ity> this guy is good - http://www.laserdiscvault.com[05:43:35] <ity> BRB - gotta face the music … PS3[05:43:40] *** ity has quit IRC[05:43:47] *** bbjimmy-at-home has joined #haiku[05:43:55] <jstressman> kallisti5: crazy... hooking it to the other connector on the back of the video card DID work. :/[05:44:05] <jstressman> I'll update the ticket later. about to watch a movie with my gf. :) bbl.[05:44:17] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[05:44:18] *** bbjimmy-at-home is now known as bbjimmy[05:44:45] <Disreali> STAR WARS: THE DEFINITIVE COLLECTION Laserdisc review http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNFseYxPq-A[05:45:31] <CIA-58> haiku.master: czeidler * hrev44579 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=8e80f8c : Fix MinSize and PreferredSize. [2 commits][05:46:23] <Prodito> damn BNotification[05:47:20] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[05:49:38] *** analogno1se has joined #haiku[05:49:43] <analogno1se> HI ALL[05:49:47] <analogno1se> Anyone up?[05:50:09] <jessicah> yup[05:50:16] <jessicah> but then it is only 4pm[05:50:20] <jessicah> a bit early to sleep[05:50:36] <analogno1se> Depends on your blood alcohol content.[06:08:23] *** hamishm has quit IRC[06:14:01] *** slubman has quit IRC[06:16:33] *** slubman has joined #haiku[06:21:49] *** nsuperbus has joined #haiku[06:27:43] <CIA-58> haiku.r1alpha4: nielx * hrev44580 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=e781da0 : Update translations from Pootle[06:54:24] *** ity has joined #haiku[06:56:26] <ity> every bit as bad as I thought…. I sucked (on an Xbox - not PS3 as I thought earlier)[06:59:16] <ity> does be pac deluxe run on Haiku?[06:59:46] <OmniMancer> does what run on haiku?[07:00:21] <ity> bepac deluxe[07:00:35] <ity> (game)[07:00:59] <OmniMancer> you can try it[07:01:18] <ity> did jessicah hit the sack? she'll know[07:01:28] <OmniMancer> at 5pm? doubt it[07:02:05] <ity> (12:01 am here)[07:02:57] *** MatthewH12 has quit IRC[07:04:26] <ity> 5pm? where the *** is that?[07:05:18] <ity> Australia?[07:05:25] <OmniMancer> NZ[07:05:36] <OmniMancer> GMT+12 atm I think[07:05:40] <ity> nice, I prefer NZ[07:06:43] <ity> I'm in the Gulf of Mexico[07:07:57] <OmniMancer> ah, thought it was central or east USA somewhere :P[07:08:13] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[07:08:35] <ity> Omni, whats your 10-40? (location)[07:08:44] <OmniMancer> NZ[07:08:47] <OmniMancer> chc[07:08:49] <OmniMancer> chch[07:10:13] <ity> roger that. I have people in Auckland[07:10:37] <OmniMancer> It has ceased to be shakey recently[07:10:56] <Prodito> Gulf of Mexico?[07:11:18] <ity> Montrose[07:11:41] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[07:11:41] *** JsobCloud_ is now known as JsobCloud[07:12:27] <Prodito> i've no idea, lol[07:19:49] <ity> Latitude, Longitude[07:19:49] <ity> 30.579378,-87.904004[07:23:29] <ity> a little slice of heaven (metaphorically speaking)[07:25:14] *** analogno3se has joined #haiku[07:25:54] <analogno3se>[07:25:57] *** analogno1se has quit IRC[07:29:51] *** [r4] has joined #haiku[07:29:56] <ity> off to Destin in the morning. Night all...[07:30:17] <ity> (FL, USA)[07:30:29] <ity> ttfn[07:30:57] *** ity has quit IRC[07:35:00] *** analogno3se has quit IRC[07:48:01] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[07:48:08] *** jmayfield has joined #haiku[07:48:15] <jmayfield> hello![07:51:35] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[07:51:35] *** JsobCloud_ is now known as JsobCloud[07:55:13] <jmayfield> hm[07:56:42] *** _marc` has quit IRC[07:58:05] *** jmayfield has quit IRC[08:07:06] *** duvjones has quit IRC[08:14:21] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[08:14:40] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[08:16:58] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[08:17:17] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[08:40:56] *** stargater has joined #haiku[08:41:08] <stargater> moin[08:48:57] *** fhein has joined #haiku[08:49:46] <jstressman> moin[08:51:24] *** mattlacey has quit IRC[08:54:16] <stargater> jstressman: moin, any new on yout blog?[08:54:44] <stargater> jstressman: i found a good tutorial about symbolic icons[08:55:52] <stargater> jstressman: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpTHXEUTesA[09:00:38] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[09:00:57] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[09:01:02] *** jimage has quit IRC[09:03:21] *** johnny_b has joined #haiku[09:04:30] <Sikosis> have a good w/e everybody I'm outski[09:05:31] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[09:10:46] *** slubman has quit IRC[09:11:58] *** Beretta021 has joined #haiku[09:14:13] *** jimage has joined #haiku[09:14:13] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[09:14:36] <jstressman> nothing yet, sorry. :)[09:15:09] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[09:15:28] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[09:16:07] *** mattlacey has quit IRC[09:19:17] *** slubman has joined #haiku[09:19:18] *** pseudomind has quit IRC[09:30:26] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[09:30:45] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[09:37:45] *** Lily has joined #haiku[09:38:10] *** XenoDuck has quit IRC[09:39:14] *** letharion has quit IRC[09:39:35] <Lily> Mornin'[09:39:50] *** _marc` has joined #haiku[09:42:19] <Lily> You know in Vision, why do nicks with ~ get pushed to the bottom of the list?[09:42:44] *** Megaf_ has joined #haiku[09:43:01] *** RQ has joined #haiku[09:44:43] *** letharion has joined #haiku[09:45:51] *** Megaf has quit IRC[09:55:37] *** jimage has quit IRC[09:59:46] <stargater> its user are not loged more , i think[09:59:53] <stargater> or user its away[09:59:58] <stargater> moin Lily[10:07:05] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[10:07:24] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[10:08:14] *** jimage has joined #haiku[10:08:15] *** carter__ has joined #haiku[10:08:28] *** carter_ has quit IRC[10:11:33] *** dsjonny has joined #haiku[10:29:00] <Lily> back sorry[10:29:10] <Lily> stargater it seems to agregare @ nicks to the top and such[10:29:35] <Lily> +v is moved to the top[10:30:07] <stargater> ok[10:30:38] <stargater> i used irrsi[10:31:11] <Lily> I might post a bug[10:31:33] <stargater> good idear[10:31:54] <Lily> :)[10:36:32] <Lily> Anyone know of a good image editor for haiku?[10:48:11] <arfonzo> Ahoy all. Lily have you tried WonderBrush?[10:48:38] <Lily> hey arfonzo[10:48:40] <Lily> I have not[10:48:43] * Lily goes to find it[10:48:58] <arfonzo> via installoptionalpackage, IIRC.[10:49:06] <Lily> ahh cool, i'll take a look[10:49:26] <Lily> they have really got to sort this[10:49:37] <arfonzo> Sure, RoberNegro ported some Qt4 one against my Qt4 package, I am not sure of the capabilities of that one vs WB tho[10:50:00] <arfonzo> ^ http://robertnegro.wordpress.com/2012/07/06/photoexpress-image-processing-app[10:50:05] <Lily> I'm not a fan of installing qt4[10:50:15] <Lily> i don't know why i just prefer people using the native stuff[10:51:22] <Lily> I guess I'm fed up of all the other OS's having qt, gtk, wx, tk, etc... and I'd rather there was one[10:51:39] <arfonzo> That's fine, those are the two options I'm aware of, in any event, for image editing on Haiku.[10:51:52] <Lily> :) thanks for your help![10:53:06] <arfonzo> I found WB a bit awkward at first, but that's probably due to coming from a non-BeOS background. After a few months using it, it's pretty nice. I prefer things like Paint.NET for windows, but WB definitely can do most light editing jobs.[10:53:38] <Lily> all i want to do is cover personal info in a screenshot :P[10:53:43] <Lily> so it's likely it will be fine[10:53:44] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[10:54:03] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[10:56:53] <Lily> yep! worked brilliantly[11:01:29] *** Prodito has quit IRC[11:02:42] *** dsjonny has left #haiku[11:08:23] *** stargater has quit IRC[11:12:52] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.[11:13:47] <Lily> mornin'[11:15:38] <brobostigon> morning Lily[11:15:40] <brobostigon> :)[11:18:24] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[11:18:43] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[11:24:02] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[11:24:20] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[11:28:43] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[11:31:21] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[11:31:21] *** JsobCloud_ is now known as JsobCloud[11:32:59] *** Luko has joined #haiku[11:33:01] *** Disreali has quit IRC[11:36:41] *** bjz has quit IRC[11:38:07] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[11:38:26] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[11:40:42] *** Lily has quit IRC[11:42:32] *** Lily has joined #haiku[11:43:01] *** Negr0_VoP2P_LMin has joined #haiku[11:44:03] *** apm1 has joined #haiku[11:46:22] <apm1> a newbie question - is there something like network manager in haiku ?[11:46:45] <Lily> yep[11:47:13] <Lily> leaf thing -> desktop applets -> network status[11:47:19] <Lily> it will add it next to the time[11:48:08] <apm1> no that is fine for monitoring my connection but how do i setup mobile brodband in the first place ?[11:48:47] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[11:49:06] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[11:49:40] <apm1> ?[11:50:50] <Lily> mobile broadband? I'm not so sure haiku supports that yet... (don't quote me on that though)[11:51:08] <Lily> all network cards typically are listed under there that it sees[11:52:56] <apm1> well i wanna use my cellphone to connect to internet while on the road so if haiku can't support it yet then i will have to stick with gnu/linux[11:53:59] <Lily> yeh i don't think it does yet...[11:55:23] <brobostigon> Lily: isnt it in practice a dialup modem, just usb. if it is picked up, coulsdn uou just setup a dialup, to use it?[11:55:24] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[11:55:41] <Lily> brobostigon i don't think so[11:55:43] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[11:55:52] <brobostigon> Lily: ok.[11:56:20] <Lily> I think the closest you'll get is creating a wifi hotspot with your phone and using a supported wireless card in haiku to connect[11:56:37] <brobostigon> good thinking, :)[11:57:04] <apm1> can't do that will have to run haiku in vbox[11:57:24] <Lily> okay.[11:58:10] <brobostigon> couldnt you just route a network conenction, that works, from the host, into the VM ?[11:59:29] <Lily> brobostigon that's what he's going to do i think[11:59:38] <Lily> he wanted to run it natively[11:59:41] <brobostigon> Lily: ok :)[11:59:48] <brobostigon> i see.[12:00:03] <apm1> brobostigon: that is what i will do[12:00:20] *** losch has joined #haiku[12:00:23] <apm1> wish i could dump linux for haiku[12:00:30] <brobostigon> apm1: my eeepc atheros wifi is supported, so i test from an sdcard.[12:00:38] *** losch has left #haiku[12:01:52] <apm1> brobostigon: i am talking about tethring my phones 3g with a usb cable[12:02:07] <brobostigon> apm1: ah, sorry. ok.[12:02:45] <apm1> 1 network problem stands between me and haiku[12:02:51] *** Postumus has joined #haiku[12:02:52] *** Postumus1 has joined #haiku[12:03:03] <brobostigon> morning Postumus1[12:03:22] <brobostigon> apm1: and that is?[12:04:04] <apm1> internet on the go[12:04:53] <brobostigon> wifi generally works. but yes, the problems we have described above.[12:06:22] <Lily> i think haiku has the issue linux did 5 - 10 years ago where there is just a lack of drivers[12:06:27] <apm1> i have never used an os which is ~250 mb and has gcc,make and the ati drivers support my videocard , one tiny little tethering problem has made me pass haiku :([12:06:28] *** Postumus1 has quit IRC[12:06:53] <Postumus> Hello, brobostigon.[12:08:27] <apm1> my hardware runs 55'c with haiku and 79'c with gnu/linux[12:08:37] <apm1> strange ?[12:08:40] <Lily> brobostigon i'm not sure it's a valid statement that "wifi" generally works... as i'm not sure how many machines actually have supported cards in them[12:08:52] <Lily> apm1 i guess less stress as haiku is most likely a lighter setup[12:09:04] <brobostigon> Lily: fair point, yes.[12:09:32] <apm1> i use debian openbox i don't think haiku is any lighter then that[12:09:56] <apm1> ram usage when idle on haiku =98mb , debian =95mb[12:10:50] <Lily> apm1 it would be more apt to look at the CPU idle[12:10:59] <Lily> as that is what generates the bulk of the heat[12:11:11] <apm1> and gpu ?[12:11:14] <Lily> indeed[12:11:26] <brobostigon> also, the linux kernel, as well as the overlying software is more complex.[12:11:39] <apm1> complex as in ?[12:11:42] <OmniMancer> its actually probably that haiku doesn't use the GPU very much at all[12:12:45] <brobostigon> apm1: i am not sure how to explain.[12:12:57] <munchaus1n> wooo my thinkpad arrived[12:13:05] <munchaus1n> But no time to play with it until tonight :([12:13:16] <Lily> munchaus1n which thinkpad?[12:13:37] <munchaus1n> x61[12:13:44] <apm1> well haiku is a hybrid kernel , and linux is monolithic so it is actually haiku that is more complex at least superficially speaking[12:14:09] <apm1> x61 aren't they extinct yet :)[12:14:14] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[12:14:14] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[12:14:22] <munchaus1n> extinct? It's got a core2duo[12:14:29] <munchaus1n> I'm upgrading from a 2006 macbook[12:14:40] <Lily> munchaus1n ooo i got a T61[12:14:46] <munchaus1n> (with core duo)[12:14:52] <apm1> i run a thinkpad x120e and macbookpro 2010[12:14:55] <Postumus> I don't know. I'd like to note that if we start getting Compiz-style 3D effects in Tracker, the OS will use the GPU a lot more and the need for GPU drivers will become essential.[12:14:56] <munchaus1n> And it works with haiku... I doubt the newer ones will play so nice[12:15:14] <munchaus1n> I've got a macbook pro 2011 for work[12:15:16] <Postumus> But, that's for the future.[12:15:19] <Lily> Postumus we're going to get compiz-style 3D effects?[12:15:24] <apm1> x120e works fine with haiku[12:15:32] <Postumus> Lily, I dunno.[12:15:33] * brobostigon feels frustrated, as he cant translate what his brain is thinking, into words, properly. :([12:15:37] <munchaus1n> I couldnt afford anything newer anyhow[12:15:39] <Postumus> Meh, probably?[12:15:42] <apm1> compiz , really ?[12:15:44] <Lily> Postumus I'd hope not[12:15:55] <Postumus> Lily, but it's EYE CANDYYYY![12:15:59] <Lily> haha :P[12:16:02] <munchaus1n> I wanted something with decent performance, working sound and power management in haiku.[12:16:29] <Postumus> What I'd really like is some way to install everything by XPE.[12:16:39] <apm1> munchaus1n: thinkpad x120e works O.T.B[12:16:54] <munchaus1n> So does x61[12:17:19] <apm1> where did you got the x61 ?[12:17:26] <munchaus1n> x120e is over twice the price second hand[12:17:28] <Lily> i'm just using a little acer aspire one ... I thought the fact it's got a low disk space and small keyboard and stuff would bother me but it's actually pretty decent[12:17:43] <Lily> I wish haiku supported the SD card tho[12:17:51] <munchaus1n> and not really any more powerful[12:17:59] <apm1> with x120e sd card works[12:18:23] <munchaus1n> And is smaller... I didn't want a tiny laptop. x61 is about as small as I can handle[12:18:33] <Lily> i might boot linux and check what the driver is it's using, I might be able to port it[12:19:23] <apm1> i want a x61 too, but am afraid to buy used[12:19:52] <Lily> nearly all my machines i have are second hand ... never really had an issue to be honest[12:20:10] <munchaus1n> mine was 150lb 2nd hand with 4gb ram and an 80gb 7200rpm drive[12:20:12] <munchaus1n> its in good nick[12:20:26] * apm1 is afraid of ebay scams[12:21:00] <munchaus1n> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/160861118738?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649#ht_2407wt_956[12:21:06] <munchaus1n> ^ these guys wont scam you[12:21:10] <apm1> do you guys watch the big bang theory[12:21:18] <Lily> of course :)[12:21:37] <Lily> munchaus1n i'm nearly sure that's the seller i got my T61 off[12:21:43] <apm1> in one episode raj says i will sell this smashed ipod on ebay as slightly used.[12:21:59] <munchaus1n> lol[12:22:11] <munchaus1n> yeah think ive seen that one[12:22:15] <brobostigon> apm1: that ep was on two days ago, here.[12:22:31] <apm1> brobostigon: what country ?[12:22:34] <Lily> i've seen all of them :P multiple times[12:22:42] <brobostigon> apm1: england.[12:22:44] <Lily> apm1 brobostigon is from the uk[12:22:49] <Lily> :P[12:23:09] <apm1> guess where i am from ?[12:23:09] <munchaus1n> Lily - yeah? It was great, only took 3 days to arrive. I was getting frustrated because they didnt tell me theyd sent it and it wasnt estimated until next week, then this morning it just showed up[12:23:38] <Lily> :D[12:23:51] <Lily> munchaus1n my screens gone on my T61 :([12:23:57] <munchaus1n> sad times :([12:24:02] <Lily> yer[[12:24:04] <Lily> *yerp[12:24:10] *** nopper has quit IRC[12:24:12] *** xyzzy has quit IRC[12:24:22] <Lily> I'm wondering if it's a thinkpad issue to be honest as a friend of mine has a thinkpad and she's now on her 3rd screen[12:24:23] <apm1> Lily: sad indeed :([12:24:51] <apm1> no no no thinkpads are as durable as tanks[12:24:55] *** bbjimmy-at-home has joined #haiku[12:25:30] <Lily> you'd think that but mine's getting a bit iffy now granted i'm a very heavy user :P most of mine are doing hard number crunching for hours on end[12:25:32] <munchaus1n> laptop came with an extended battery as well. dont know if that was just luck as it wasnt advertised[12:25:45] <Lily> being taken to loads of places[12:26:03] <apm1> munchaus1n: how many cells ?[12:26:04] *** xyzzy has joined #haiku[12:26:07] *** nopper has joined #haiku[12:26:23] <munchaus1n> 8 cell[12:26:31] <apm1> munchaus1n: what distro you gonna put on it ?[12:26:34] <munchaus1n> haiku[12:26:39] <munchaus1n> :P[12:26:44] <Lily> woot![12:26:46] <munchaus1n> I bought it sepcifically for haiku[12:26:47] <apm1> haiku really[12:26:49] *** nopper has quit IRC[12:26:53] <Lily> haiku is awesome[12:26:55] <Lily> I love it[12:27:08] * Lily hence why i'm in here[12:27:10] <munchaus1n> My old laptop doesnt work too well with haiku. So I'm selling it and bought this one[12:27:35] <apm1> man you guys are too haiku hardcore , i love it too but well maybe i am scared.[12:27:35] <munchaus1n> In the last few days I've ported all the software to haiku that I need to do my work[12:27:56] <Lily> apm1 it's not ready for everyone[12:27:57] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[12:27:58] *** bbjimmy-at-home is now known as bbjimmy[12:28:04] <apm1> ported , well i compile my kernals but never ported anything[12:28:14] <Lily> munchaus1n i worry as i return to university soon and they have windows specific software[12:28:16] <munchaus1n> I will have a linux dual booting for when I cant get something done though[12:28:31] <munchaus1n> I'm used to ubuntu but sick of it. Think I might switch to mint[12:28:38] <apm1> Lily: when will it be as ready as debian was in 1997[12:28:56] <Lily> I have no idea i was using slackware then apm1[12:29:18] <Lily> slackware -> mandrake -> ubuntu -> mandriva -> gentoo -> haiku[12:29:26] <Lily> those are the main OS's i've used through my life[12:29:36] <apm1> slackware and arch i am against their principles of unstability in packages[12:29:58] <Lily> my linux machines run gentoo unstable branch :P[12:30:09] <Lily> so i use unstable everything pretty much[12:30:25] <apm1> i can't handle unstable , i get cranky at crashes :)[12:31:01] <Lily> maybe haiku isn't ready for your yet while i find crashes on it fairly rare I still get them[12:31:16] *** xyzzy has quit IRC[12:31:21] *** stpere has quit IRC[12:31:30] <Lily> the other day it kernel paniced and dumped rubbish into the source code file i was working on (never happened before to me so i doubt it's common)[12:31:40] <munchaus1n> oh yeah I remember you said that[12:31:47] <munchaus1n> I've heard that from someone somewhere else too.[12:32:02] <munchaus1n> I've only had 1 kernel panic in the last couple of weeks though[12:32:13] <Lily> munchaus1n it's not put me off :) It's sort of the risk you take running an alpha OS[12:32:21] <munchaus1n> when I tried to write some files to a fat32 usb drive... it panicked when I unmounted and removed it[12:32:32] <Lily> munchaus1n yeh the kernel has become a lot mroe stable recently i find[12:32:57] <Lily> i can make it panic using the ext2 driver on a quirky ext4 FS[12:33:02] <munchaus1n> I'm not sure if thats my system though because I'm running a patched version of the latest kernel with an old userland[12:33:27] <munchaus1n> well, only a ~3 wekk old userland though[12:33:30] <munchaus1n> *week[12:33:33] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[12:34:17] *** bjz has joined #haiku[12:34:29] <apm1> haiku should use a PM like apt , i suggest[12:34:37] *** nopper has joined #haiku[12:34:38] <Lily> it is in development[12:34:47] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[12:35:04] <Lily> i don't like apt personally :P[12:35:17] <Lily> i'm a fan of pacman[12:35:19] <apm1> a lot of people love debian because of apt[12:35:36] <Lily> i think binary package managers pacman is the best[12:35:53] <apm1> i never had a zombie on apt , but always have one on pacman or yum[12:35:55] <mmadia> apm1 http://www.haiku-os.org/blog/mmadia/2012-08-20_brief_summary_haikus_package_management[12:36:05] <munchaus1n> ok, I think I have to log out of irc, its stopping me getting anything done[12:36:09] <munchaus1n> catch you later ;)[12:36:12] <Lily> cya x[12:36:13] <apm1> bye[12:37:07] <apm1> does haiku have a repo. ?[12:37:39] <mmadia> not yet. the pkg mgmt implementation is still in progress.[12:38:09] <apm1> haikuware uses an interesting bounty development model , lol :d[12:38:45] <apm1> haiku hitmen on nvidia gallium drivers now :d[12:39:34] <Lily> anyway i'm not getting any coding done so i'm going to minimise irc :P[12:39:42] <Lily> speak later x[12:39:54] <apm1> bye[12:40:37] <Anarchos> hi everybody[12:40:42] <apm1> hello[12:40:55] <apm1> Anarchos: your nick is familiar[12:41:04] <Anarchos> apm1 maybe :)[12:41:21] <apm1> Anarchos: any channel i know you from ?[12:41:43] <Anarchos> apm1 ocaml, haiku, coq ?[12:41:56] <apm1> trisquel ?[12:42:30] <Anarchos> apm1 maybe too[12:42:37] <apm1> i am on - haiku , crunchbang , trisquel[12:43:13] <Anarchos> never was on these, and i guess we are many to use such a nick..[12:43:23] *** stef has quit IRC[12:43:43] <apm1> Anarchos: so what your haiku story until now ?[12:43:53] <apm1> *whats[12:44:19] <Anarchos> apm1 i was a lover of beos, so i switched to haiku as soon as it became usable[12:44:42] <apm1> i wasn't born when they launched beos[12:44:56] <Anarchos> apm1 wow ok[12:45:08] <Anarchos> apm1 i bought it and still get the CDs :)[12:45:35] <apm1> beos works on i386 ? or just those old motos[12:45:39] <apm1> and ppc[12:45:57] <Anarchos> apm1 it works on pentium and beyond, but no 486 and below[12:46:21] <apm1> which version of beos have you got ?[12:46:34] <Anarchos> apm1 Pro :)[12:46:49] <apm1> year manufacture -cd[12:47:15] <Anarchos> i bought R4, get for free the update R4.5 and bought the R5 too[12:47:29] <Anarchos> so i ended up with R5.O.3[12:48:09] <apm1> can you share it with others as freesoftware , since "be-inc" is gone[12:48:41] <Anarchos> apm1 technically i can, but i don't know if it is legal as Access still get the copyright[12:48:53] <mmadia> http://bebits.com/app/2680 http://bebits.com/app/2683[12:48:56] <apm1> access ?[12:49:22] <Anarchos> apm1 access is a company belonging to Palm if i remember, and retaining the BeOS copyrights[12:49:43] <apm1> Anarchos: damn patents[12:50:13] <apm1> see that is the freedom our savior DR. RMS fights for :)[12:50:38] <Anarchos> apm1 yes . As you guess i am against patents : when you buy something you should have right to do whatever you want with it[12:51:16] <apm1> Anarchos: what gnu/linux do you run ?[12:51:25] <apm1> i mean what distro[12:53:05] <apm1> Anarchos: wasn't there a freeware version of beos if iirc[12:53:23] <apm1> you can redistribute that ?[12:53:36] <mmadia> the personal edition, yes.[12:53:39] <Anarchos> apm1 i don't use linux at all[12:53:55] <apm1> Anarchos: really haiku for everything then[12:54:06] <Anarchos> apm1 yes.[12:54:06] *** happy4crazy has quit IRC[12:54:24] <apm1> mmadia: is the personal edition still availible ?[12:54:37] <Anarchos> apm1 except msn and audio cause audio is still not working on my laptop under Haiku[12:54:53] <mmadia> i haven't tested the download links at bebits, but i'd expect at least one to work.[12:55:17] <apm1> Anarchos: why do you need msn ?[12:55:31] <diver> just a quick note: http://qt-haiku.ru works again[12:55:56] <Anarchos> apm1 to speak with family over the oceans...[12:56:18] *** xyzzy has joined #haiku[12:56:29] *** Blub\w has joined #haiku[12:56:36] <apm1> Anarchos: i suggest switching to ekiga , compile it yourself[12:56:47] <apm1> Anarchos: or pidgin even[12:56:56] <Anarchos> apm1 is it compatible with msn protocol , even for cam ?[12:57:10] <apm1> yup ekiga is compatible[12:57:20] <Anarchos> apm1 and available for haiku?[12:57:33] <apm1> no you have to compile it yourself[12:58:01] <apm1> that is the beauty of freesoftware you can port it to anything[12:58:02] <OmniMancer> and webcam support in haiku is not exactly complete[12:58:30] <apm1> my synaptics webcam works[12:58:37] <Anarchos> apm1 yes but don't underestimate porting time for quality software[12:58:52] <apm1> Anarchos: true[12:59:20] <apm1> anyone useing the tv-tuner app in haiku ?[12:59:32] <Anarchos> apm1 i spent literally weeks to port TexLive and latex, and i still have not a clean port yet[12:59:37] <apm1> tv tuner that is absurd[12:59:59] <apm1> Anarchos: my sympatheis[13:00:27] <apm1> the tv app man anybody uses it ?[13:01:16] <Anarchos> apm1 no idea, but as it was in BeOS it must be present in haiku R1[13:01:57] <apm1> man tv app in the early 2000's and late nintees , that is real inovation :)[13:02:39] <apm1> well beos was by 2 former apple men so the madness of inovation is expected[13:03:15] <Postumus> :-)[13:03:45] <apm1> https://www.haiku-os.org/community/forum/tv[13:04:11] <Anarchos> apm1 not only 2 former apple men, don't miss all little hands and technicians...[13:04:37] <apm1> the techies came from apple too ?[13:05:10] <apm1> man beos no wonder was a legend[13:05:28] <Postumus> IDK, I find that the BeOS community, from reading their newsletters, was a little too Apple-like, a little too insular. I remember reading an article about "What if Red Hat bought BeOS"[13:05:29] <Postumus> :-P[13:05:31] <apm1> haiku is the legacy[13:06:08] <apm1> red hat with their zombie yum >:o[13:06:21] <apm1> yum is a zombie machine[13:06:25] <Postumus> Yum isn't so bad these days.[13:06:54] <apm1> well i get a zombie on my system everytime i update fedora >:o[13:06:57] <Postumus> Back in the day, however, dealing with straight-up rpms was a major hassle! Oh dear, those Mandrake days were not nice.[13:07:00] * Anarchos is tired to reassess that every software company has its utility if we see them as ecosystem[13:07:11] <Postumus> Anarchos, agreed.[13:07:26] <apm1> yeah there should be one universal pkg-mgr[13:08:19] <apm1> and if possible one binary format , i suggest apt and .deb ( maybe my views are a little debian biased) sorry[13:08:21] <Postumus> apm1, I don't know. There should be a few repositories that are related to the operating system and a set of external repositories that add extra applications and can be for-profit.[13:09:00] <apm1> i wish there were no gui and graphics * blam *[13:09:13] <apm1> just a text prompt and a tty[13:10:11] <Postumus> HAH![13:10:19] <apm1> tty > gnome , xfce , haiku-gui , lxde[13:11:30] <Anarchos> apm1 may i ask how old you are ?[13:11:37] <apm1> 17[13:12:05] <apm1> how to remove gui from haiku[13:12:26] <apm1> just a text - console - tty system[13:13:09] * apm1 sips coffe and plans to strip haiku of it's gui[13:14:01] <Anarchos> apm1 it is really easy : just erase lines in the bootscript which launches Tracker and Deskbar[13:14:17] <Anarchos> apm1 or put the Terminal in fullscreen :)[13:14:31] <Postumus> I don't think a text-only framebuffer is needed for anything but PXE.[13:15:51] <apm1> Anarchos: i need a system witch can offer me only text not gui at all , if you wanna know how hardcore i can be i will literally rip out my gpu[13:16:31] <Postumus> apm1, damn right, use an old terminal instead of a screen![13:16:33] <Postumus> :_P[13:17:29] <apm1> well i don't have a terminal , they sold all the terminals to e-waste managers in my country[13:17:52] <Postumus> Eep, which country?[13:17:59] <Anarchos> apm1 try MS-DOS.[13:18:01] <apm1> india[13:18:29] <apm1> Anarchos: how dare you suggest micros#!T to me :d[13:18:48] <Anarchos> apm1 how dare do you ask us to remove the GUI in #haiku :)[13:19:04] <apm1> Anarchos: lol[13:19:15] <Postumus> BURN HIM![13:19:37] <apm1> Postumus: why are you burning me ?[13:19:55] <Postumus> apm1, you commited a blasphemous act. Duh.[13:20:22] * apm1 takes out his katana to protect himself from haiku loveing mob[13:21:47] <apm1> Postumus: if you guys like haiku so do i but a little console experiments ain't bad[13:22:40] <apm1> what happend ?[13:24:38] <Anarchos> apm1 just use terminal as i do often[13:25:03] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[13:25:22] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[13:28:01] <apm1> Anarchos: well that might be the only option , but we should hack haiku to make a tty flavour of it too[13:30:06] <apm1> Postumus: man i mean no disrespect to haiku , i love it even , but i love tty interface more , dig that ?[13:33:03] <jessicah> haiku is pretty pointless without the gui[13:34:25] <apm1> well you just might be right but my inner soul screams GUI is BLOAT[13:34:42] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[13:35:01] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[13:35:11] <Anarchos> apm1 haiku is focused on desktops and personal computing, which involves keyboards, mouse and screen with a user-friendly GUI.[13:35:55] <jessicah> apm1: if that's the case, and you want something not linux, plan9 would prolly be better for the gui-less workstation[13:36:09] <jessicah> as an example[13:36:31] <apm1> plan 9 huh will download the sucka tonight[13:38:16] <apm1> jessicah: yeah you are right plan 9 seems better than freebsd[13:38:42] <apm1> acme , bunny - loony toons[13:39:11] <apm1> plan 9 has some humor:-D[13:39:38] <apm1> that sucks "Unlike Unix, Plan 9 was designed with graphics in mind."[13:39:57] <jessicah> heh[13:40:11] <jessicah> you just can't win :p[13:41:28] <jessicah> i can't remember who asked. but anyway, no, bepac deluxe doesn't work on haiku[13:41:50] <apm1> will download 386BSD too , that way i win but i downgrade my os to 20th century[13:41:53] *** OmniMancer1 has joined #haiku[13:43:05] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[13:43:32] <apm1> well it is ironic but dosen't the tty is from the 20th century , maybe i need a "shrink"[13:44:38] <apm1> *isn't[13:45:02] * apm1 doubts his sanity[13:46:47] *** XenoDuck has joined #haiku[13:52:01] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[13:52:13] *** Spacewalker has joined #haiku[13:52:13] *** Spacewalker has joined #haiku[13:52:19] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[13:52:55] <Postumus> apm1, I don't mind a TTY interface. In fact, we need a text-only framebuffer if we're gonna be able to mass-scale Haiku deployments.[13:53:08] <Postumus> *able to do[13:53:55] <jessicah> do what?[13:54:08] <Postumus> jessicah, network installs.[13:54:14] <apm1> to install haiku in enterprize[13:54:48] <apm1> where they don't have time to install on each machine individually[13:54:49] *** HGN_ has joined #haiku[13:55:04] <Postumus> Or at a Haiku User Group.[13:55:21] <jessicah> that doesn't depend on needing a tty[13:55:32] <jessicah> winpe works for same purpose[13:55:35] <jessicah> that's not a tty[13:56:09] <Postumus> jessicah,[13:56:19] <Postumus> Augh, keyboard and the enter key... So close![13:56:33] <jessicah> i do mass scale deployments for my job[13:57:08] <jezek2> apm1: linux/bsd is better choice if you're after tty[13:57:10] <Postumus> I've never, ever done any scale of deployment using Windows. I'm sorry.[13:57:51] <jessicah> a tty is the least of your problems in that scenario. what's needed most is networking[13:58:04] <jezek2> in haiku it's just like an addition than the main way of using it, similarly as with OSX where you don't need to touch terminal at all[13:58:06] <apm1> well i am used to of debian netinstalls with no WM-DE so i find it akward to have a GUI bloat[13:58:42] <jezek2> so use that[13:58:45] <Postumus> apm1, the GUI isn't so much 'bloat' - It's got a very small GUI footprint.[13:58:55] <apm1> jezek2: how dare you mention a bloat like OS X :-D[13:58:56] <jezek2> apm1: this sounds like trolling actually[13:59:34] <apm1> jezek2: sorry didn't mean to troll , at least not initially :d[13:59:39] <jezek2> apm1: haiku is obviously GUI only / desktop system, it contains terminal yes and is (more or less) POSIX compliant, but it isn't the main way of using it[13:59:42] <jessicah> pretty much[13:59:52] <jessicah> anyways, i going to sleep now[13:59:54] <jezek2> + haiku's gui is FAR from bloat[13:59:57] <jessicah> goodnight :)[14:00:12] * apm1 is determined to strip haiku 's gui[14:00:13] <jezek2> both from user experience and technical side[14:00:36] *** Megaf_ has quit IRC[14:01:17] <apm1> i read somewhere haiku is supposed to change the world although i love it but there should be a tty only version too , well i can dream[14:01:42] <jezek2> well you can do anything you want after all it's opensource, don't expect any support though :)[14:02:06] <jezek2> and also it doesn't make much sense when you have better suited OSes like linux/bsd[14:02:25] <Postumus> Agreed, jezek2.[14:02:51] <apm1> ok then i won't bother you all much on tty then[14:06:09] <Anarchos> apm1 why tty as the whole OS is not intended to do server work : all the hardcoded priorities of threads privilege interactive usage of the computer[14:07:03] <apm1> Anarchos: those last few words flew over my head , easy on the jargon sir[14:12:20] *** paul0 has joined #haiku[14:13:14] <munchaus1n> Hey all[14:13:16] <Postumus> apm1, every OS does not have to be used for every purpose. :-)[14:13:21] <Postumus> Hello, munchaus1n.[14:14:04] <munchaus1n> I'm doing a haiku install on my thinkpad... should I install linux and grub first, or haiku first? Does it matter (I'm used to refit/mac machines). Does haiku chainload off of grub?[14:15:58] *** OmniMancer1 has quit IRC[14:17:02] <mmadia> http://www.haiku-os.org/guides/booting/bootmanagers[14:17:38] <munchaus1n> great, thanks. I've been searching the haiku site but didnt find that yet[14:20:02] <Anarchos> munchaus1n i use the bootloader of Win7 to give me alternative between Win7 and haiku :)[14:22:45] *** Megaf has joined #haiku[14:24:01] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[14:33:53] *** happy4crazy has joined #haiku[14:38:13] *** helf_ has joined #haiku[14:41:26] *** yosafbridge` has joined #haiku[14:42:39] *** yosafbridge has quit IRC[14:42:42] *** LjL has quit IRC[14:42:43] *** helf has quit IRC[14:46:26] <apm1> leaving for now chaps and mates and madams , see you later "haiku hitmen"- that is what i call haiku users because of the haikuware bountys :d[14:47:07] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[14:47:16] *** apm1 has quit IRC[14:47:23] <Postumus> :-)[14:50:51] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[14:50:51] *** JsobCloud_ is now known as JsobCloud[14:51:00] *** LjL has joined #haiku[14:52:53] *** rennj has quit IRC[14:53:00] *** rennj has joined #haiku[14:54:37] *** apm1 has joined #haiku[14:55:07] * apm1 is downloading plan9 now .[14:57:27] <nortti> why?[14:57:37] <Postumus> :-) Good on you, apm1.[14:57:40] <nortti> (don't get me wrong. I also like it)[14:58:03] <apm1> nortti: to try it that's why[15:03:15] <Anarchos> apm1 "plan 9 from outer space" , the famous movie with aliens and zombies ?[15:03:44] <apm1> Anarchos: i am talking about the os , never heard of the movie.[15:04:34] <apm1> Anarchos: 1959 , quite an old flick sir[15:05:31] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[15:06:55] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[15:07:00] <apm1> Anarchos: this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5DZhDH8eew&feature=related[15:07:51] <Postumus> http://www.gobolinux.org/?page=doc/articles/gobohide <-- Fairly interesting. :-)[15:10:14] *** _marc` has quit IRC[15:10:31] *** Dane_ has joined #haiku[15:11:04] <Dane_> mmu_man I want to stretch your BeOS memory a little...[15:12:26] <Dane_> mmu_man Suppose a program crashes and debug window appears. Is there ANY way to send a message via hey to kill the debug window?[15:13:22] *** happy4crazy has quit IRC[15:14:48] *** negusnyul has joined #haiku[15:14:57] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[15:15:16] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[15:17:14] <OmniMancer> Dane_: why do you want to?[15:17:35] <Dane_> OmniMancer I have a reason. :-)[15:17:45] <OmniMancer> user experience?[15:21:40] <mmu_man> Dane_: don't think so, debug_server didn't really have a BApplication object IIRC[15:22:07] <mmu_man> hmm a way could be to kill and restart debug_server[15:22:10] <mmu_man> hack[15:22:14] <Dane_> ah[15:22:42] <mmu_man> you can still check if you see the debug server running with 'roster' though[15:22:48] <mmu_man> but I think it didn't appear int he list[15:23:06] <Dane_> passing this along to "da man" thanks![15:24:35] <Dane_> mmu_man What about in Haiku?[15:24:59] <Dane_> Same question... can an orphaned crash window be shut by script, hey, something like that?[15:25:25] <apm1> a noob question :- why dosen't haiku have manpages if it's POSIX[15:25:53] <nortti> probably because -h/--help is invented[15:26:22] <apm1> well but nothing like " man gcc "[15:26:37] <nortti> online man pages?[15:26:39] <apm1> " gcc -h " is so windows[15:26:56] <OmniMancer> apm1: the manpages on beos were traditionally html I think[15:26:56] <apm1> yup online man pages[15:27:16] <apm1> so command for the html pages will be ?[15:27:38] <OmniMancer> go find wherever they are and open them in a webbrowser is one way[15:27:43] *** slubman has quit IRC[15:27:58] <apm1> and in what directory are the help html pages ?[15:28:16] <OmniMancer> not sure :)[15:28:24] <Dane_> is there a way in Terminal to force a crash for testing purposes?[15:28:39] <OmniMancer> I think there is a port of a manpage renderer too[15:28:52] <OmniMancer> mmu_man: can you send sigsegv with kill?[15:29:04] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[15:31:37] <mmadia> Dane_ -- you'd be better off asking on the mailing lists.[15:32:39] *** JsobCloud has 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*** Lily has quit IRC[16:43:30] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[16:45:27] *** rimio has quit IRC[16:49:25] <CIA-58> mmu_man-github.sam460ex: mmu_man-github * 78ea39c7d27cfcc1bf30ee25f54046192d3ff8f5 :[16:49:26] <CIA-58> U-Boot: compile and link to libfdt [2 commits][16:49:26] <CIA-58> * For the sam460ex and likely some ARM boards we will try to boot[16:49:26] <CIA-58> using the passed FDT, as it's the recommended method now.[16:49:34] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[16:50:58] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[16:51:57] *** HGN_ has joined #haiku[16:57:18] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[16:57:37] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[16:58:20] *** negusnyul has quit IRC[16:58:32] *** negusnyul has joined #haiku[16:58:35] *** leszek has joined #haiku[16:59:26] *** negusnyul has quit IRC[17:07:57] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[17:16:37] *** Lily has joined #haiku[17:16:56] <Lily> Have you guys noticed that Caya doesn't work from installoptionalpackage[17:20:57] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[17:21:16] *** 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IRC[17:52:40] <Lily> humdinger seems to report fine[17:54:16] <humdinger> Hmm... so web+ doesn't launch anymore...[17:54:26] <humdinger> maybe reinstall it via installoptionalpackage?[17:54:45] <humdinger> ...or delete its settings...[17:55:37] <Lily> yeh...[17:55:42] <Lily> It brings up the debugger[17:55:49] <Lily> gdb[17:56:13] <Lily> it fails on: 0x01b85d30 in BMessage::_FindField () from /boot/system/lib/gcc4/libbe.so[17:56:26] *** fhein has quit IRC[17:56:37] <humdinger> Have you tried deleting/renaming web+ settings?[17:56:51] *** apm1 has joined #haiku[17:57:44] <Lily> yeh that did work actually[17:58:17] <Lily> there probably should be some code to check for malformed configs[17:58:35] <humdinger> yes. maybe zip up the corrupted settings and file a ticket.[17:58:42] <apm1> do you guys believe freedom is necessary in terms of software freedom?[17:58:48] <Lily> yep[17:58:57] <Lily> it's why all the code i write is under GPL V3[18:01:26] *** Barrett has quit IRC[18:01:32] <nortti> eww. GPLv3[18:02:42] <Lily> :Pp[18:02:44] <Lily> * :P[18:03:19] <johnny_b> GPL is evil[18:03:20] <johnny_b> :)[18:04:00] <johnny_b> and it gives no absolute freedom[18:04:37] <Lily> depends on your definition of freedom i guees :P[18:05:03] <johnny_b> freedom = no restriction[18:05:11] <nortti> WTFPL ftw[18:05:30] <johnny_b> :)[18:06:01] <Lily> johnny_b to me GPL protects our freedom as a whole by preventing it being closed source and preventing closed source applications using it without being "free" in the sense of GPL themselves[18:06:41] <Lily> and to me that's brilliant as I am against closed source software and nothing stops me taking say some code under bsd making it awesome then keeping the source[18:06:43] <OmniMancer> it also "protects" other open source software using it[18:07:06] <OmniMancer> and it protects software licensed under it from being useful in some cases[18:07:19] <Lily> OmniMancer what are your opinions on the LGPL[18:07:30] <OmniMancer> its better[18:07:32] * apm1 supports GPL to the very core of his spirit[18:07:36] <nortti> I have no problem with GPLv2 but v3 restricts how I can use the software[18:07:41] <Lily> i'm with apm1 on this one[18:07:52] <johndrinkwater> same, gpl++[18:08:28] *** duvjones has quit IRC[18:10:08] <Lily> i got a GPL sticker on this laptop :P tho it's running haiku so ... not really gpl xD[18:10:15] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[18:12:22] <apm1> i was disappointed by knowing haiku is not recommended by FSF and stallman http://www.gnu.org/distros/common-distros.html (browse to the end of the page)[18:12:24] *** Spacewalker has joined #haiku[18:12:24] *** Spacewalker has joined #haiku[18:12:39] <Lily> apm1 why would it be, it's mainly under MIT afaik[18:13:01] <apm1> Lily: see for yourself[18:13:25] <johnny_b> omg[18:13:31] <Lily> yep[18:13:31] <apm1> i thought M.I.T licence was GPL compatible[18:14:05] <Lily> I could fork haiku and relicence but not without doing so i don't think FSF would endorse it[18:14:11] <OmniMancer> it is, its more permissive than GPL[18:15:18] *** luroh has joined #haiku[18:15:25] <Lily> i wouldn't fork haiku anyway i care too much for it and while I have my views on free software I am cool with other people having others and don't limit myself to only software written by those who share my views[18:15:25] <OmniMancer> and at some point pragmatism is needed[18:15:30] <nortti> what software haiku includes that you aren't allowed to modify?[18:15:36] <OmniMancer> we can't yet have a completely free system[18:16:09] <Lily> OmniMancer if i have a thinkpad T60 with a specific wifi card i could put coreboot on it and trisquel or gnusense or something[18:16:55] <luroh> nortti: wonderbrush is the only component i can think of, apart from some wifi firmwares[18:17:02] <nortti> hmm[18:17:06] <OmniMancer> but you don't have all the specs for every device in the system, you don't have source for the whole thing[18:17:19] <Lily> true[18:17:27] <OmniMancer> luroh: the glut library[18:17:33] <Lily> I have an iphone :P so[18:17:34] <luroh> ah, true[18:17:41] <Lily> i'm hardly the biggest advocate[18:18:15] <nortti> I will only buy smartphones that let me install the software _I_ want[18:18:16] <OmniMancer> I would love to have a system where you can get source for everything down through PCBs and hardware components[18:18:31] <nortti> I have had nokia 9210, nokia 9300 and htc wildfire[18:18:43] <Lily> OmniMancer as would I but that's not going to happen in the near future[18:18:50] <Lily> nortti I had the HTC wildfire too[18:18:57] <Lily> that was my phone before my iphone[18:19:04] <OmniMancer> well we can start building such a thing[18:19:11] <Lily> true :P[18:19:30] <nortti> OmniMancer: I'm designing/building one. it will be built from simple ICs[18:19:37] <Lily> i'm a hobbiest programmer tho :P I stayed that way specificalyl so i never have to write closed source software[18:19:43] <Lily> well... that's one of the reasons[18:20:32] *** apm1 has quit IRC[18:20:49] <johnny_b> iOS isn't GPL[18:20:56] <Lily> I'm very aware[18:21:00] <johnny_b> :)[18:21:24] <Lily> johnny_b I'm not someone who only uses GPL stuff... just someone who won't write non-gpl stuff[18:21:25] <johnny_b> why do you use that closed source cathedral 'crap'? :)[18:21:44] <johnny_b> ok[18:22:48] *** Negr0_VoP2P has joined #haiku[18:22:57] <nortti> I try to keep my system free of closed source (exception being touhou games) and GPLv3 software[18:26:16] *** HGN_ has quit IRC[18:32:50] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[18:33:09] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[18:33:19] *** jmelesky has joined #haiku[18:37:09] *** bjz has quit IRC[18:38:12] *** HGN_ has joined #haiku[18:49:21] <CIA-58> mmu_man-github.sam460ex: mmu_man-github * aec8bf1b72a0ec30f3286d06dec76955ab402a24 : Merge branch 'master' into sam460ex [2 commits][18:49:43] *** johnny_b has quit IRC[18:50:48] *** johnny_b has joined #haiku[18:50:48] *** XenoDuck has quit IRC[18:52:45] *** humdinger is now known as humdinner[18:53:10] *** leszek has quit IRC[19:00:10] *** qptain_Nemo has joined #haiku[19:12:29] *** ddavid123 has joined #haiku[19:22:39] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[19:23:05] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[19:27:31] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[19:29:50] *** rennj has quit IRC[19:31:52] *** apm1 has joined #haiku[19:32:10] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[19:32:29] <apm1> can i take a little burden off my chest here ? anyone wanna here me out ?[19:33:35] <augiedoggie> no[19:35:46] <apm1> ok fine[19:36:10] * apm1 gulps down his tears:'([19:37:57] <apm1> what do i do ?[19:38:12] <augiedoggie> beer?[19:38:14] * apm1 isn't trolling[19:38:32] <apm1> i don't touch alchol[19:40:35] * apm1 well this is the reality of the world no one wants to bloody share a fellow human's feelings.[19:41:32] <apm1> why am i on irc at all[19:41:42] * apm1 slaps himself[19:47:15] *** HGN_ has quit IRC[19:47:46] <ddavid123> Yea, what is on your mind, apm1?[19:48:49] <ddavid123> Alcohol is not a good outlet for any problems.[19:49:34] <ddavid123> All it does is to dull your pain temporarily, but once it wears off it comes crashing back.[19:50:12] <apm1> well i am in a bind right now i made a distro but lack resources to host it[19:50:31] <nortti> also he has 5kb/s uplink[19:51:03] <ddavid123> Suse Studio is probably the best I can think of.[19:51:14] <nortti> what?[19:51:27] <nortti> he has already made one[19:51:58] <ddavid123> Suse Linux has a build studio that allows you to build your packages and distro and host it.[19:52:02] <apm1> i am selling my distro on dvd for cash payments to my neighbors and classmates for 10$ each[19:52:16] *** HGN_ has joined #haiku[19:53:01] <ddavid123> Are you intending to sell the DVD or just let them download the ISO after payment?[19:53:31] <apm1> ddavid123: my distro is kfreebsd so i don't think they will let me , and did you not read my uplink speed is 5kbps max what can i upload with it ?[19:54:17] <apm1> ddavid123: i am selling dvds i burn on my pc with mouth to mouth publicity[19:54:21] *** happy4crazy has joined #haiku[19:54:35] <ddavid123> Ok.[19:55:06] <apm1> my distro is 100% gpl 2 , so it is selling freesoftware on disk[19:55:19] <ddavid123> have you thought of starting a Ebay Store?[19:56:11] <apm1> nope , i didn't think of that , yeah that is a good idea[19:56:18] <ddavid123> The GPL 2 does not say that you can not sell the software as long as they get the source code and the license.[19:56:43] <apm1> ebay store yeah that is my way out of this bind[19:57:02] <ddavid123> I am glad I could help.[19:57:56] <apm1> ddavid123 and nortti : thank you so much:)[19:58:21] <ddavid123> Your welcome![19:59:25] <ddavid123> apm1: I would be interested in buying a DVD! Let me know when you are ready to sell on Ebay.[19:59:33] <apm1> well with no downloadable iso images i won't draw many users but yet this is a hope to live and build on:)[20:00:20] <apm1> ddavid123: sure will , will setup my shop this weekend[20:00:34] <ddavid123> If your distro becomes popular with a core if individuals, someone may be willing to host your distro after they get your DVD.[20:01:00] * apm1 hugs ddavid123[20:02:25] *** happy4crazy has quit IRC[20:02:32] *** Barrett has quit IRC[20:05:02] * apm1 sets off to enquire/read about setting up an ebay store .[20:05:15] <apm1> *inquire[20:05:29] <apm1> thanks again guys[20:05:34] *** apm1 has quit IRC[20:05:50] <ddavid123> He has ambition.[20:06:04] *** apm1 has joined #haiku[20:09:46] *** ddavid123 has quit IRC[20:10:39] *** happy4crazy has joined #haiku[20:13:27] *** humdinner has quit IRC[20:15:22] *** bbjimmy-at-home has joined #haiku[20:15:25] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[20:15:26] *** bbjimmy-at-home is now known as bbjimmy[20:23:21] *** carter__ has quit IRC[20:23:33] *** MatthewH12 has joined #haiku[20:24:05] *** carter__ has joined #haiku[20:25:58] *** HGN_ has quit IRC[20:28:25] *** sanka has joined #haiku[20:35:39] *** HGN_ has joined #haiku[20:41:05] *** Luko has joined #haiku[20:52:03] *** rdmr has joined #haiku[20:55:08] *** HGN_ has quit IRC[20:58:36] *** HGN_ has joined #haiku[21:02:49] *** rdmr has quit IRC[21:08:56] *** AutowiredConstru has joined #haiku[21:12:17] *** HGN_ has quit IRC[21:14:07] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[21:27:29] *** Prodito has joined #haiku[21:30:36] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #haiku[21:31:44] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC[21:33:06] *** Barrett has quit IRC[21:33:19] *** judgen has joined #haiku[21:35:25] *** Skipp_OSX has joined #haiku[21:46:33] *** PasNox has quit IRC[21:49:23] <CIA-58> mmu_man-github.sam460ex: mmu_man-github * 74eeabe4a645ee37466160d824975cda4fe200b7 :[21:49:23] <CIA-58> U-Boot: initialize the debug UART using FDT hints when possible [2 commits][21:49:23] <CIA-58> * we first try to find 'serial', 'serial0' or 'serial1' in /aliases[21:49:23] <CIA-58> * extract the required properties from the found node and use them[21:49:23] <CIA-58> * fallback to the hardcoded UART from the board definition header[21:51:49] *** judgen has quit IRC[21:55:47] *** negusnyul has quit IRC[22:01:45] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #haiku[22:11:31] *** Lily has quit IRC[22:13:18] *** Lily has joined #haiku[22:16:50] *** RQ has left #haiku[22:24:14] *** oco2 has joined #haiku[22:24:15] *** judgen has joined #haiku[22:31:51] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC[22:32:37] *** johnny_b has quit IRC[22:35:42] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[22:37:14] <munchaus1n> hmmm. dont know if I screwed something up but with latest nightly there arent many optional pacakges... no svn for example[22:37:43] *** ddavid123 has joined #haiku[22:38:37] <Lily> munchaus1n what version is it?[22:39:02] <Lily> munchaus1n you could try with flag -f it'll clear the cache and try again[22:39:11] <munchaus1n> yeah I did that[22:39:25] <Lily> i'm on hrev44575 and it's got svn[22:39:40] <Lily> i have no idea what the latest nightly is[22:39:47] <munchaus1n> its last night nightly...[22:39:55] * Lily shrugs[22:40:16] <Lily> munchaus1n i don't typically install every one[22:40:48] <munchaus1n> 44579[22:40:51] <Lily> I'll download the latest nightly munchaus1n[22:40:59] <Lily> ~10 mins remaining[22:41:21] <munchaus1n> Installable Optional Packages:[22:41:23] <munchaus1n> abi-compliance-checker apr apr-util[22:41:53] <munchaus1n> ^^^thats it[22:42:56] <Lily> :P[22:43:07] <Lily> munchaus1n i'll be able to tell you if i'm getting the same in about 10 mins[22:43:45] <Prodito> munchaus1n: try to remove the cache "rm /boot/common/data/optional-packages/OptionalPackageNames"[22:44:35] <Lily> Prodito that's what -f does[22:45:48] <Prodito> i see, lol[22:47:04] <munchaus1n> Lily - thanks[22:48:44] <munchaus1n> ah man[22:49:08] <munchaus1n> Lily - dont worry. I didnt run -l after I did -f ... now it lists all of them[22:49:14] <Lily> o xD[22:49:16] <munchaus1n> Sorry :S[22:49:19] <Lily> it's cool :P[22:49:35] <munchaus1n> thanks anyhow :)[22:49:41] <Lily> :)[22:50:06] <munchaus1n> I hope you dont have a cap on your internet![22:51:04] <Lily> nah :) unlimited[22:51:39] <Prodito> munchaus1n are you using the nightly from haiku-files?[22:51:50] <munchaus1n> yeah[22:51:52] *** DaaT has joined #haiku[22:52:51] <Prodito> munchaus1n hybrid gcc2?[22:53:00] <munchaus1n> yep[22:53:05] <munchaus1n> oh wait[22:53:08] <munchaus1n> damn I hope so[22:53:28] <munchaus1n> yep[22:53:30] <Prodito> munchaus1n i ask because i can't get them to work[22:53:41] <munchaus1n> what the image?[22:53:44] <Prodito> it doesn't boot[22:53:44] <munchaus1n> I'm using anyboot[22:53:46] <Lily> i use the hybrid gcc2 as well[22:53:52] <Prodito> yeah, the anyboot[22:54:32] <Prodito> i'm using hrev44510 because the newer images doesn't work for me[22:54:34] <munchaus1n> I'll get the md5sum... 1 sec[22:55:36] <Lily> that's odd[22:55:38] <Lily> they've worked for me[22:57:00] <munchaus1n> 44d59c2fcaaf007e4d5bd58fbf18ab9b haiku-nightly-anyboot.image[22:57:53] <Prodito> i know, i write the image to a usb memory but when i boot i get a black screen[22:58:32] <munchaus1n> hmm weird[22:58:57] <munchaus1n> check what changed in the next revision?[22:59:03] <Lily> Prodito you filed a bug?[22:59:45] <munchaus1n> Works great on my new thinkpad x61 :D[23:00:28] <Prodito> Lily not yet, i'm downloading 44579 now to check the md5sum[23:03:37] <munchaus1n> Any idea where the optional package downloads go? I had to interrupt a download because my connection dropped and now it keeps trying to unpack it again[23:05:00] <munchaus1n> aha, got it[23:05:29] *** happy4crazy has quit IRC[23:08:10] *** happy4crazy has joined #haiku[23:09:48] <Prodito> 44d59c2fcaaf007e4d5bd58fbf18ab9b haiku-nightly-anyboot.image the image is fine :/[23:11:15] *** happy4crazy has quit IRC[23:11:25] *** happy4crazy has joined #haiku[23:15:07] <munchaus1n> Have you tried a CD?[23:15:11] *** happy4crazy has quit IRC[23:16:21] <AutowiredConstru> Don't be "The guy in the room"[23:17:12] <munchaus1n> ?[23:18:08] *** happy4crazy has joined #haiku[23:18:34] *** nsuperbus has quit IRC[23:19:59] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[23:20:23] *** bbjimmy has joined #haiku[23:20:42] *** slubman has quit IRC[23:20:49] <Prodito> munchaus1n maybe i should try, but i don't have a cd right now[23:20:51] *** slubman has joined #haiku[23:22:02] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[23:22:54] *** happy4crazy has quit IRC[23:23:07] *** Spacewalker has quit IRC[23:23:32] <HaikuUser> Mi uzas haiku :)[23:25:02] <HaikuUser> La nova BeOS[23:26:39] <HaikuUser> Kurante en VirtualBox[23:26:52] *** jayrulez has quit IRC[23:28:47] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[23:29:02] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #haiku[23:29:20] *** Haikutestado has joined #haiku[23:30:24] *** backb0ne has joined #haiku[23:31:25] <jessicah> meow[23:31:47] <Haikutestado> Hajko estas tre bona kaj ricevos bonan.[23:31:55] <Haikutestado> Haiku[23:32:46] <jessicah> is that esperanto?[23:32:50] <Haikutestado> Jes[23:33:04] <Lily> lets all speak in na'vi ;)[23:33:08] *** Blub\w has quit IRC[23:33:12] <Haikutestado> :)[23:33:15] <jessicah> had a friend learning esperanto. recognised the suffixes[23:33:35] *** happy4crazy has joined #haiku[23:33:55] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC[23:34:07] <jessicah> tsyesika, you be crazy :p[23:34:18] <jessicah> (did i spell right this time?)[23:34:35] <Lily> yep[23:34:36] <Lily> :)[23:34:36] <jessicah> apart from missing accent[23:35:04] <Lily> seysonìltsan![23:35:06] <Lily> :)[23:35:07] <jessicah> tsyesìkayä[23:35:18] <jessicah> err, wait[23:35:23] <jessicah> tsyesìka[23:35:27] <Lily> :)[23:35:39] <jessicah> the last bit is like 's in english?[23:35:43] <Lily> correct :P)[23:35:45] <Lily> * :)[23:37:18] <jessicah> i should have some breakfast[23:37:50] <Lily> go eat :)[23:38:34] <Lily> I'm sick if i eat within about 2h of when i get up[23:38:46] *** Haikutestado has quit IRC[23:39:14] <jessicah> :o[23:39:24] <jessicah> i got up like 2 hours ago[23:39:32] <jessicah> so think it safe to eat[23:40:25] <jessicah> that doesn't sound good though :([23:42:08] <Lily> it doesn't bother me i typically only have 1 meal a day and it's an evening meal anyway[23:42:32] <jessicah> don't you get hungry?[23:42:40] <jessicah> you must be so skinny :([23:43:14] <jessicah> hmm. actually, i used to eat one main meal a day too...[23:43:25] <jessicah> also usually an evening meal[23:43:34] <jessicah> i trying to eat better though[23:43:37] <DaaT> unless Lily eats for 2, for the evening meal[23:43:55] <jessicah> i eat for 2...[23:44:24] <jessicah> i eat twice as much as what guys at work eat when we go for lunch[23:44:44] <Lily> jessicah I don't get hungry i guess my body is just use to it[23:44:47] <DaaT> i'm too used to having 2 full meals[23:44:55] <jessicah> one of them, adam, occassionally thinks he's as hungry as i am[23:45:09] <jessicah> he never comes close to finishing all his food[23:45:12] <DaaT> though sometimes I only have a sandwich for lunch[23:45:30] <jessicah> i always tell him he shouldn't get so much, but never learns[23:45:31] <DaaT> (or dinner like the brits *looks at Lily* call it)[23:45:32] <DaaT> :)[23:45:41] <Lily> I call it tea[23:45:45] <Lily> we're pretty split over here[23:45:45] <Lily> :P[23:46:10] <DaaT> dinner is lunch... tea is dinner... it's madness I tell you![23:46:17] *** Megaf has quit IRC[23:46:17] <jessicah> we call dinner tea too[23:46:19] *** kcj has joined #haiku[23:47:00] <AutowiredConstru> nen hurenbums kannste kriegen mein freund[23:47:07][23:47:41] <Lily> hmm i can't think of what else to write for my blog[23:47:49] *** Haikutestado has joined #haiku[23:47:52] <DaaT> Lily, which blog is that?[23:47:59] <jessicah> oh yeah. was gonna make breakfast[23:48:17] <DaaT> go for it Jessica_lily[23:48:18] <jessicah> this always happens, esp when trying to make a cup of tea[23:48:23] <DaaT> ups... jessicah[23:48:28] <jessicah> always forget[23:49:22] <CIA-58> mmu_man-github.sam460ex: mmu_man-github * 60a40e4ff09114e1e53f65e8f3e93f159f2212a0 : U-Boot: fix hex dump in fdt support[23:50:30] <Lily> DaaT http://tsyesika.co.uk[23:50:58] <jessicah> just write about your life[23:51:18] <jessicah> i need to start writing again[23:51:23] <DaaT> thanks[23:51:24] *** Haikutestado has quit IRC[23:51:46] <jessicah> need to find my blogging thing i wrote and get it running again[23:52:16] <DaaT> which I could read it though :)[23:57:24] *** Cpy has joined #haiku[23:57:24] *** Lily has quit IRC[23:57:35] <Cpy> haiku crashed and i lost all my progress with my blog :'([23:57:38] <Cpy> second time today[23:57:46] <jessicah> :([23:58:12] <DHowett> after the first time, did it not put the fear of $deity into you?[23:58:12] <DHowett> ;P[23:58:27] <DaaT> time to report it