August 23, 2012 
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August 23, 2012 [00:00:36] <munchaus1n> Ok, I'll have a look. Maybe try the native syscall. But tomorrow... I've not rebuilt any part of haiku before and I need sleep![00:00:41] <johnny_b> good night[00:00:56] <munchaus1n> Is it possible to rebuild that part only or do I need to rebuild everything?[00:01:15] <mmu_man> well, since the STACK case is not implemented it will set errno to EINVAL[00:01:31] <mmu_man> munchaus1n: you just need to update the kernel[00:01:42] *** johnny_b has quit IRC[00:01:43] <mmu_man> jam -q kernel_x86[00:01:59] <mmu_man> this will compile it but not install it[00:02:05] <mmu_man> are you building to an image ?[00:02:34] <mmu_man> jam -q update-vmware-image kernel_x86[00:02:36] <mmu_man> or[00:02:39] <mmu_man> jam -q update-image kernel_x86[00:02:41] <munchaus1n> hum, you mean a kernel image?[00:02:44] <mmu_man> if you build to a raw[00:02:48] <munchaus1n> Oh no, I'm running on real hardware[00:02:50] <mmu_man> no, a disk image[00:02:53] <mmu_man> ah ok[00:03:01] <mmu_man> then you can just copy it over[00:03:07] *** DaaT has quit IRC[00:03:31] <munchaus1n> So I'd just like to update the kernel and see if it works[00:03:34] <munchaus1n> Cool[00:03:38] <munchaus1n> Thanks for the pointers[00:03:50] <munchaus1n> Goodnight[00:03:56] <mmu_man> case RLIMIT_STACK:[00:04:07] <mmu_man> actually it does seem to be implemented ^[00:04:20] <mmu_man> rlp->rlim_cur = thread->user_stack_size;[00:04:21] <mmu_man> rlp->rlim_max = thread->user_stack_size;[00:04:21] <munchaus1n> hmm.. maybe its something else then. Booo[00:05:01] <munchaus1n> At least I found where it's failing. It could be something with pthread_attr_setstacksize[00:05:22] <mmu_man> well this won't work, we don't support changing stack size (yet)[00:05:32] <munchaus1n> ahh.[00:05:39] <munchaus1n> well that's more likely the culprit then[00:06:02] <munchaus1n> that is the failed call. It's just I looked up why that might fail and it says if you use a too great a value for stack size[00:06:05] <munchaus1n> or too low[00:06:24] <hamishm_> are you sure we don't support changing stack size?[00:07:52] <mmu_man> hmm actually from the kernel code it seems we support creating threads with a specified stack size[00:07:58] <mmu_man> but I don't think we allow changing it[00:08:18] <mmu_man> but then pthread_attr is about setting thread creation stuff so it should work[00:08:22] <mmu_man> maybe it's just unimplemented[00:08:59] <munchaus1n> could be... the calls fails so pthread_create is never called[00:09:09] <munchaus1n> s/calls/call[00:09:16] <hamishm_> well yes that's what I meant[00:09:35] <hamishm_> changing the stack size of an active thread is not even in posix I think[00:10:08] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[00:10:11] <mmu_man> if (stacksize < PTHREAD_STACK_MIN || stacksize > MAX_USER_STACK_SIZE)[00:10:18] <mmu_man> are yuo sure you're not asking too much ?[00:10:30] <mmu_man> see src/system/libroot/posix/pthread/pthread_attr.c[00:11:04] <munchaus1n> It's asking for what came back from getrlimit[00:11:18] <munchaus1n> i.e. the max[00:11:29] <munchaus1n> rlim.rlim_cur[00:11:29] <hamishm_> oh, I think I get it[00:11:40] <mmu_man> hmm maybe some rounding error?[00:11:52] <munchaus1n> I'll try putting -1 and see what happens[00:12:01] <hamishm_> the value returned from getrlimit includes the guard pages and TLS area[00:12:11] <hamishm_> MAX_USER_STACK_SIZE doesn't include these, so it's less[00:12:29] <munchaus1n> aha[00:13:07] <mmu_man> ohh, right, I'm probably the one to blame there :p[00:13:20] <mmu_man> indeed it should return the constant as max,[00:13:56] <mmu_man> I guess the thread_info fields cover the whole stack area, not the usable one[00:14:05] <mmu_man> please send a patch ;-)[00:14:58] <rootbaron> Hmm... There's no KeePass for Haiku...[00:15:21] <Skipp_OSX> Thou Shall Not Pass[00:15:27] <rootbaron> We have Qt... Gives me ideas of failure.[00:15:35] <munchaus1n> Thankyou. So this is in src/system/kernel/thread.cpp? I'll check it out and submit tomorrow...[00:16:52] <mmu_man> Since Linux 2.6.23, this limit also determines the amount of space used for the process's command-line arguments and environ‐ ment variables; for details, see execve(2).[00:17:07] <mmu_man> ^ it doesn't look like the size returned should be all available though[00:17:10] <mmu_man> cf. man[00:19:55] <mmu_man> hmm also, since the main thread has a larger stack than the other ones by default, the current max value seems wrong also[00:22:54] <munchaus1n> maybe I can't fix this then. I though I'd just be changing it to return MAX_USER_STACK_SIZE?[00:23:07] <hamishm_> the limit seems to refer to the initial thread only[00:23:11] <hamishm_> maybe it should just return USER_MAIN_THREAD_STACK_SIZE?[00:25:32] <munchaus1n> Oh I guess it isn't asking for max... but looks like both values are the same[00:25:59] <mmu_man> well it currently return the current value as max also...[00:26:03] <mmu_man> it seems wrong anyway[00:26:20] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[00:26:46] *** luroh has quit IRC[00:27:02] <hamishm_> well at the moment the current value is the max[00:27:07] <jessicah> why do you need KeePass? we're getting some password management thingy already :)[00:27:36] <munchaus1n> hum... shouldn't it return whatever is the max you can ask for (and get)?[00:28:26] <hamishm_> according to posix, it's the maximum size of the initial thread's stack[00:28:29] <hamishm_> http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/functions/getrlimit.html[00:28:40] <munchaus1n> so MAX_USER_STACK_SIZE then?[00:28:52] <hamishm_> no, USER_MAIN_THREAD_STACK_SIZE[00:29:03] <hamishm_> (they just happen to be the same)[00:29:54] *** carter__ has quit IRC[00:30:01] *** carter_ has joined #haiku[00:30:32] <munchaus1n> hmm ok. What if they change though... I mean, if the other threads are lower then maybe it depends?[00:30:44] <munchaus1n> I mean, is variable?[00:30:52] <munchaus1n> (I'm in a bit over my head here)[00:30:55] <mmu_man> jessicah: well at least I hope Axel uses a standard enough format that can be used on other platforms[00:31:14] <jessicah> for importing/exporting passwords?[00:31:43] <jessicah> as long as you have an import/export tool, the underlying format is irrelevant[00:31:48] <mmu_man> for just using other OSes[00:31:54] <hamishm_> well the default stack size for additional threads created is smaller,[00:32:12] <hamishm_> but that's not relevant to RLIMIT_STACK (at least going by the definition in the posix spec)[00:32:13] <mmu_man> I'm using at least 3 different OSes, keeping passwords safe everyone is not easy :p[00:32:51] <munchaus1n> ok... that seems to make sense. And I guess it will work given that they're the same anyway.[00:33:26] <jessicah> although a shared format would be good for easier auditing[00:33:56] <rootbaron> If it can reed KeePass' database format, great.[00:34:18] <munchaus1n> right must sleep now. Got to get up super early tomorrow. thanks again[00:34:19] <rootbaron> Since all my passwords are stored this way, being unable to read it is kind of an issue...[00:34:45] <mmu_man> isn't it freesoftware?[00:35:05] <rootbaron> Indeed. I have the code now.[00:35:13] <rootbaron> Going to see if I can compile it with our Qt now.[00:35:28] *** letharion has quit IRC[00:35:32] <mmu_man> munchaus1n: at least create a ticket so ppl remember[00:35:37] <rootbaron> Worst case scenario: Computer catches fire.[00:35:46] <mmu_man> is_computer_on_fire()[00:36:46] <rootbaron> Pretty much. I think the worst-case scenario for anything involving a computer is it catching fire.[00:37:41] <mmadia> that's why it's important to have a function to determine that.[00:38:11] <Anarchos> First time i saw this !! "Can execute only a command at a time per window. Sorry"[00:38:32] *** oco2 has quit IRC[00:39:19] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[00:39:19] *** JsobCloud_ is now known as JsobCloud[00:39:20] <munchaus1n> mmu_man - ok... and I'll test and patch tomorrow. I need this to work, I use prolog most days. There are still a bunch of other regression tests failing though (29 total, at least 6 of which should be fixed by this bug) so it'll still be a bit of a slog[00:40:34] <jessicah> :o[00:40:41] <jessicah> what happened to my vm?![00:40:43] <jessicah> =/[00:41:05] * jessicah sighs[00:41:22] <jessicah> weird. working now...[00:41:38] *** letharion has joined #haiku[00:46:34] <jessicah> without a backtrace, i dun think my syslog will be of any use :([01:02:05] <Anarchos> jessicah are you on vmware ,[01:03:44] <Anarchos> ?[01:03:56] <Anarchos> PING 1345676679[01:04:35] <jessicah> no[01:04:42] <jessicah> haiku in vbox[01:05:20] <jessicah> got stuck in some sort of livelock, deskbar didn't show, cursor wouldn't move[01:05:33] <jessicah> and desktop icons took a long time to show up[01:05:56] <rootbaron> Sounds like Haiku in VirtualBox all right...[01:05:58] <Anarchos> jessicah never had this one on vmware .[01:06:11] <rootbaron> Yeah, VMware is faster with BeOS and its cousins for some reason.[01:06:14] <jessicah> syslog got filled with failures acquiring a semaphore (which seemed to have ID of 0)[01:06:35] <jessicah> rootbaron: i haven't had too many issues with haiku in vbox[01:06:46] <rootbaron> I have. :([01:06:55] <jessicah> well, for short periods. prolonged haiku eventually crashes vbox[01:07:38] <jessicah> which usually seems FS related[01:08:50] <jessicah> i need more disk space, and a second monitor at home...[01:09:19] <Anarchos> rootbaron i never tried beos on a virtual machine, always natively :)[01:10:19] <jessicah> i have haiku on my eeebox at home, and an HP desktop here at work[01:10:22] <rootbaron> Ah, but I have!\[01:10:28] <rootbaron> BeOS runs rather well iN VMware.[01:10:53] <jessicah> need to try beos on my eeebox...[01:11:05] <jessicah> curious to see if it's faster. haiku seems sluggish on it[01:11:14] <Lily> hey guys[01:11:19] <jessicah> hey jessica[01:11:23] <Lily> :)[01:11:27] <Lily> How are you?[01:12:14] <rootbaron> Haiku runs half-decent on my Pentium III box.[01:12:24] <rootbaron> Shame that QNX can run circles around it, though...[01:13:33] <Lily> I find haiku a bit unusable on my 256 ermmm intel celeron something[01:13:40] <Lily> the CPU isn't too bad but the ram lets it down[01:15:13] <jessicah> i'm doing okay. tired[01:15:18] <rootbaron> Might be the problem for me. 128MB.[01:15:23] <jessicah> always tired[01:15:26] <jessicah> how're you?[01:15:35] <rootbaron> Dammit, why can't people develop with 1996 computers in mind?[01:15:46] <Lily> jessicah I'm good thanks :) It's 12:15am and i'm not tired[01:15:54] <Lily> rootbaron xD yeh[01:16:00] <Lily> haiku is better than a lot of systems[01:16:30] <Lily> I'm thinking of buying enough ram to get it to like 512mb and haiku will most likely run just fine on that and 512 of ram is hardly much these days[01:16:47] <jessicah> haiku feels fast until you compare it with beos on older boxen :p[01:16:57] <rootbaron> Well, 128MB isn't that bad.[01:16:59] <Anarchos> Lily where are you located ? England ?[01:17:01] <Lily> yeh[01:17:02] <rootbaron> Only if I forget to enable swap.[01:17:12] <rootbaron> I just set like 5GB Swap, and it runs. :)[01:17:21] <Anarchos> Lily britanny here :)[01:17:29] <Lily> :)[01:17:41] <Lily> I'm from manchester/lancaster[01:17:48] <Anarchos> jessicah i miss beos responsiveness a lot ![01:18:01] <Anarchos> Lily ok[01:18:09] <Lily> I wonder if it would be possible to get haiku faster[01:18:21] <jessicah> i'm from worcester[01:18:27] <Anarchos> Lily sure it is : there are a lot of TODOs lasting in the kernel source[01:18:54] <Anarchos> Lily and in the scheduler which is responsible of, say, 90% of latency[01:19:15] <Lily> I'm not really a kernel person :P[01:19:24] <Anarchos> Lily me neither :)[01:19:29] <Lily> jessicah worcester... No idea where tat is :P[01:19:32] <Lily> *that[01:19:40] <dreamed> kernels are delicious[01:19:45] *** jstressman has quit IRC[01:19:45] <Anarchos> Lily worcester is located in the worcestershire :)[01:19:52] <Lily> :P sounds logical[01:19:56] <rootbaron> Which is not the same Worcester as in America.[01:20:03] <rootbaron> Damn New England and its cloned names.[01:20:20] <dreamed> rootbaron: how is worcestor pronounced?[01:20:24] <jessicah> Lily: near birmingham apparently[01:20:27] <Anarchos> rootbaron yes, in usa, paris is at 31 km of montpellier :)[01:20:30] <rootbaron> Here? Wooster.[01:20:36] <Lily> you also got places like london and birmingham[01:20:48] <dreamed> thanks, glad I was on the right track ;)[01:21:03] <jessicah> hahaha, no, my street name is worcester ;)[01:21:13] <rootbaron> This is NE, though. Try it with a Bostonian accent.[01:22:27] <jessicah> you can't pronounce worcester the proper british way here, because then nobody knows what the heckle street you're talking about[01:22:35] <dreamed> heh[01:22:43] <dreamed> unless you're talking about worcestorshire sauce?[01:22:58] <jessicah> if you say it like worchester, then they know what you mean[01:23:06] <Lily> I'm not sure i can pronounce anything but the british way[01:23:42] <Lily> actually that's a lie i know how to say some stuff like patent and err other words I can't think of at the moment[01:25:09] <jessicah> Lily: you should use tseyika as your nick or smth; i getting confused calling you lily :p[01:25:20] <Lily> haha lily is my middle name[01:25:27] <Lily> *tsyesika[01:25:28] <jessicah> at least it kinda sounds like your first name[01:25:35] <Lily> yeh it's meant to[01:25:50] <jessicah> oh, buh, was so close[01:25:51] * Anarchos hopes that nobody think Anarchos is is first name ;)[01:26:09][01:26:13] <jessicah> jessica, my middle name starts with an L too :)[01:26:20] <Lily> ^_^[01:26:24] <Lily> what does your last name start with[01:26:27] <Lily> :P[01:26:29] <jessicah> H[01:26:30] <dreamed> my first name starts with d[01:26:31] <Lily> awhh :([01:26:33] <dreamed> does that count?[01:26:36] <rootbaron> Anarchos: Obviously. Middle name?[01:26:46] <Lily> jessicah my last name starts with a t[01:26:58] <jessicah> :)[01:28:53] <Lily> ugh i'm going to be so tired tomorrow I gotta travel up to my parents[01:28:58] <Lily> got blood test friday :([01:29:20] <jessicah> :o[01:29:26] <jessicah> i hope nothing serious[01:30:47] <Lily> nah i have them every 3 months[01:31:11] <Lily> jessicah biology sorta failed me a little >.<[01:31:28] <jessicah> :o[01:32:54] <Anarchos> rootbaron lol[01:34:05] <jessicah> Anarchos Lol... interesting name[01:34:13] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[01:34:13] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[01:35:46] <rootbaron> I'm glad WebPositive now handles maximized windows properly.[01:35:53] <rootbaron> That fullscreen thing drove me insane.[01:36:01] <Lily> :P[01:36:11] <Lily> I love webpositive[01:36:37] <jessicah> it's a little clunky[01:36:40] <Lily> although it bugs me when sites try and detect your browser and then tell you that you must use the latest IE, firefox or chrome[01:36:54] <jessicah> but i love that it saves URL you download a file from as an attribute[01:37:00] <Lily> i don't mine them suggesting it but if you can't override it[01:37:10] <rootbaron> Just needs an updated WebKit.[01:37:19] <rootbaron> It doesn't handle CSS3 properly at the moment. :/[01:37:32] <rootbaron> Oh, and the inclusion of the Inspector would be awesome...[01:38:08] <Lily> i'd like plugins as i use lastpass so i don't actually know any of my passwords[01:38:16] *** Skipp_OSX has quit IRC[01:38:31] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[01:39:01] <rootbaron> I use KeePassX for this reason.[01:39:12] <rootbaron> Just need to try and compile it for Haiku...[01:39:41] <Lily> I got a password parser for an exported lastpass half written[01:39:43] <Lily> need to finish it[01:39:44] <rootbaron> And uh... Is it normal for haikuporter --clean to try to build instead?[01:40:38] *** jstressman has joined #haiku[01:40:46] <jstressman> https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/8913[01:41:23] *** Negr0_VoP2P has quit IRC[01:43:16] *** Luko has quit IRC[01:49:19] <CIA-58> mmu_man-github.sam460ex: mmu_man-github * 48c009eb87f21941cd55b3c9bf5bee9205ad997c : libfdt: Move headers to headers/libs/libfdt[01:50:46] <jstressman> ok, back to DVI land. :P[01:51:12] <jstressman> as fantastic as this is. ;)[01:53:21] *** Luko has joined #haiku[01:56:09] *** jstressman has quit IRC[02:01:01] *** bbjimmy-at-home has joined #haiku[02:01:04] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[02:01:05] *** bbjimmy-at-home is now known as bbjimmy[02:06:32] <Sikosis> any1 tried octane on web+ :) -> http://octane-benchmark.googlecode.com/svn/latest/index.html[02:07:01] <Sikosis> seems to run thru but doesn't show a score at the end due to the text not rendering[02:07:19] *** jstressman has joined #haiku[02:07:42] <Lily> it crashed my webpositive[02:07:43] <Lily> :([02:09:55] <Lily> Sikosis yeh i'm getting the same as you[02:09:58] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[02:10:32] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[02:10:54] <Sikosis> just would have been nice to see how it compares[02:11:23] <Lily> o actually it does sorta seem to work[02:11:41] <Sikosis> yeh it seems to show the numbers, just not the aggregated score[02:11:43] <Lily> o my god damn it! it's crashed again[02:11:53] <Lily> bezilla works[02:12:30] <Lily> sorta it's stuck on deltablue[02:14:30] <jessicah> nothing seems to load in my web+ for that page[02:14:41] <Lily> jessicah mines crashed time :P[02:14:43] <Lily> *Twice[02:15:01] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[02:15:07] <jessicah> i mean like no css or anything[02:15:12] <Lily> hmm[02:15:12] <Lily> odd[02:15:17] <jessicah> oh here we go[02:15:31] <jessicah> somehow it had added an erroneous / at the very end[02:15:43] <Lily> :S[02:16:06] <jessicah> lemme run on physical box[02:16:22] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[02:16:44] <jessicah> ah, bug in web+[02:16:49] <jessicah> automatically adds a /[02:17:16] <Lily> reported?[02:17:43] <jessicah> dunno[02:18:10] <jessicah> my web+ crashed too. gdb says virtual memory exhausted when trying to debug[02:18:19] <jessicah> guess i need more RAM[02:18:21] <Lily> yeh that was my issue too[02:18:21] *** Skipp_OSX has joined #haiku[02:18:59] *** unheeding has joined #haiku[02:22:05] <jstressman> Sikosis: did you see my message on G+ ? :)[02:23:04] <unheeding> when is haiku being released!?[02:23:14] <Sikosis> yep all good ... just on phone atm[02:23:38] *** carter_ has quit IRC[02:23:46] *** carter_ has joined #haiku[02:23:52] <jessicah> 3694 on bare metal[02:24:30] <jessicah> a quarter of the performance of chrome on windows[02:24:42] <jessicah> but i imagine everything is compiled with debugging enabled[02:26:23] <Skipp_OSX> unheeding, R1A4 will be released Real Soon Now (tm)[02:26:39] <unheeding> i'm using a nightly right now[02:27:32] <Lily> i'm using nightly too[02:27:44] <jessicah> jstressman: what do you think of your dell monitor?[02:27:48] <Lily> I didn't expect R1A4 to be out for a while[02:27:49] <jessicah> U2412M, right?[02:28:58] <rootbaron> unheeding: If you mean R1, it should be out before 2020![02:29:13] <unheeding> haha[02:29:39] *** MatthewH12` has joined #haiku[02:29:52] <Lily> I quite like that haiku want it to be like uber uber stable before release :P[02:30:04] <rootbaron> Hell, even the nightlies are fairly stable.[02:30:13] <rootbaron> Except for that USB issue...[02:30:20] *** Luko has quit IRC[02:30:23] <Lily> what usb issue?[02:30:24] * rootbaron ticks another dead port on his cork board.[02:30:34] <rootbaron> Where USB ports die until next reboot.[02:30:48] <rootbaron> I then have to swap to another port, and I only have three to use.[02:31:03] *** alexandros_c has joined #haiku[02:31:06] <Lily> ahh right[02:31:22] *** danielsa1n|a has joined #haiku[02:31:25] <rootbaron> I'm pretty sure there's a ticket for it...[02:31:25] <Lily> i noticed that was doing that i just thought maybe it was a loose connection in my netbook :P[02:31:27] *** Prodito has joined #haiku[02:31:37] <rootbaron> I'm also on a netbook.[02:31:45] <rootbaron> But this happens on any system with USB...[02:31:52] <Lily> so any system them xD[02:31:54] <rootbaron> And it's stable on Linux, so...[02:31:54] <jessicah> my HP does it[02:31:56] <Lily> *then[02:32:29] <rootbaron> BRB, corrupting a drive.[02:32:33] *** rootbaron has quit IRC[02:32:35] <jessicah> haiku's web+ beats IE9[02:32:37] <jessicah> hehe[02:32:51] <Lily> :D[02:33:24] *** MatthewH12 has quit IRC[02:33:25] *** danielsaan|a has quit IRC[02:33:32] <jessicah> except for CodeLoad[02:34:00] <Lily> I think before I can use haiku as my main OS I need updater/package manager, html5 (tho maybe not now i got youtube-dl sorted) and a for it to store the wifi password[02:34:16] <Lily> so tbh... not much[02:34:26] <Anarchos> Lily package manager is the object of a contract :)[02:34:29] *** jstressman has quit IRC[02:34:30] <jessicah> why do you need package manager?[02:34:48] <jessicah> heh. CodeLoad is only test IE9 excels at[02:35:11] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[02:35:35] <Lily> i don't need something which doesn't make me boot from a pendrive and install over or nuke 'n pave to get the latest nightly[02:35:43] *** Prodito has quit IRC[02:35:49] <Lily> I wanna just be able to click a button or run a command and my system update to the latest nightly[02:36:17] <Lily> I don't hit every nightly but usually at minimum once a week[02:36:42] *** mmadia has quit IRC[02:37:04] <Lily> I am using it kinda as my main machine, i do have a few linux machines hanging around to be honest and I do use skype so it's one thing I use linux for...[02:37:15] <Lily> I can't see me dropping skype in the near future[02:37:59] <jessicah> IE9x64 has sloooow javascript performance[02:38:05] <jessicah> quite intriguing[02:38:11] <Lily> i'm kinda suprised at that[02:38:29] <jessicah> yeah[02:38:36] <jessicah> at least on that test suite[02:38:48] <jessicah> i was getting scores < 1000 on most of the tests[02:39:04] <Lily> I typically use firefox when i'm not on haiku[02:39:11] *** jstressman has joined #haiku[02:39:30] <Lily> i have chrome and opera installed because I often have to do website testing (I don't test in IE because i don't have windows)[02:39:36] <Lily> but i only use them for testing[02:40:26] <unheeding> I find Chrome is the fastest, on Windows at least[02:41:25] *** rootbaron has joined #haiku[02:41:36] <jessicah> i use Chrome on windows[02:41:44] <jessicah> it has a clean interface[02:42:22] <Lily> I prefer firefox, i prefer the look and feel, I like how i can change how it handles session cookies (can't find a way in chrome)[02:42:44] <Lily> since version 6 i think of firefox and god knows what of chrome they no longer clear when you close them[02:47:31] <Lily> humph[02:47:55] <Lily> my damn program doesn't work :([02:51:30] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[02:54:24] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[02:54:32] *** Postumus has joined #haiku[02:55:15] *** Postumus has quit IRC[02:55:18] *** unheeding_ has joined #haiku[02:55:38] <jstressman> is it just me or is haiku-os.org running slowly?[02:56:09] *** unheeding has quit IRC[02:56:58] <Lily> mmm I'm not so sure...[02:57:06] <jessicah> seems okay to me[02:57:54] <jstressman> takes like 10 seconds before I see anything.[02:57:59] <Lily> it's a bit slow but my internet isn't exactly the fastest so i'm not sure it's slower than any other[02:58:03] <jstressman> other pages with similar content load in maybe 2.[02:58:32] <jstressman> it's not terrible... just noticeably considerably slow than other sites at the moment.[02:58:38] <rootbaron> Loads fine for me in Web+.[02:58:48] <rootbaron> Few seconds, more more than 4-5.[02:59:17] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[02:59:49] <rootbaron> No more.*[03:06:22] *** Skipp_OSX has quit IRC[03:11:29] *** qptain_Nemo has quit IRC[03:11:37] <unheeding_> can you burn CDs from Haiku?[03:13:43] *** mattlacey_ has joined #haiku[03:15:08] *** tn has joined #haiku[03:15:55] <jessicah> oh![03:16:07] *** unheeding_ has quit IRC[03:16:08] <jessicah> i've seen mention before of a remote app_server[03:16:25] *** unheeding has joined #haiku[03:16:32] <jessicah> does that work?[03:16:41] <unheeding> does what work?[03:16:54] *** tn has left #haiku[03:16:58] <jessicah> remote app_server[03:17:01] *** mattlacey has quit IRC[03:17:02] *** mattlacey_ is now known as mattlacey[03:18:54] <rootbaron> Never heard of a remote app_server. Sounds neat.[03:25:25] *** stpere has joined #haiku[03:29:50] <jessicah> yeah, it's in servers/app/drawing/remote[03:30:34] <stpere> jessicah, took a quick glance at your patch, will examine it tomorrow or friday[03:30:45] <stpere> back from *$?|! work.. stupid deadline[03:31:23] <stpere> it's a whole 1 line to look at.. will take me .. a day or two at least :P[03:32:20] <dreamed> how long does it take you to read a novel? ;)[03:32:41] *** netstar has joined #haiku[03:32:51] <jessicah> it's like one line :)[03:33:39] * rootbaron looks at his bookshelf.[03:33:48] <rootbaron> I think a decade now...[03:34:09] <stpere> dreamed, hehe[03:34:36] * Anarchos is fighting with Knuth's assembly...[03:35:32] <jessicah> man, i'm gonna be disappointed if my patch fails review... :p[03:35:39] <jessicah> i put soooo much effort into it![03:35:55] <jessicah> actually, the debugging required effort... :p[03:36:15] <Anarchos> jessicah a patch for what ?[03:36:33] <stpere> the ticket I've spent hours on it[03:36:35] <jessicah> drag and drop in filetypes' iconview[03:36:36] <stpere> :P Zee[03:36:39] <stpere> Zee ticket[03:37:01] <jessicah> if you dropped outside of the iconview, it wouldn't let you drag again[03:37:24] <jessicah> because fDragging was still set to true (mouseup event doesn't fire, which sets it back to false)[03:37:46] <jessicah> should also set back to false when clicking :)[03:39:00] <Anarchos> jessicah a nice patch would be that "select same as " open the folder of the file, not home :)[03:39:07] <stpere> actually, I was under the impression it should have fired.[03:39:24] <stpere> maybe there is another bug hidden below[03:39:24] <unheeding> so I put the Haiku disk in there, it seems to load, and then the screen turns off[03:39:41] <Anarchos> unheeding maybe a graphic card unsupported[03:39:58] <Anarchos> unheeding i git this behaviour with my Radeon HD6250[03:40:15] <jessicah> stpere: if you're outside of the bounds, why should app_server tell you about mouse up events?[03:40:15] <unheeding> suuuucks[03:40:52] *** ismd has quit IRC[03:41:19] *** ismd has joined #haiku[03:41:36] <stpere> only to keep sync of such states I guess[03:41:39] <Anarchos> unheeding i use vesa it wrokds well[03:41:51] <stpere> but I was mistaken by MouseMoved, which does keep firing up[03:42:04] <unheeding> how do i do that?[03:42:11] <jessicah> oh. hmm[03:42:12] <stpere> and there is a transit flag saying if you just enter, or just exit the view[03:42:18] <stpere> but bebook is clear[03:42:24] <stpere> it will fire only if inside the view[03:42:32] <hamishm_> eh[03:42:33] <jessicah> okies :)[03:42:39] <hamishm_> IconView calls SetMouseEventMask[03:42:44] <hamishm_> http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/tree/src/preferences/filetypes/IconView.cpp#n906[03:42:57] <hamishm_> doesn't that mean it should get the MouseUp regardless of where the mouse is?[03:43:54] <rootbaron> unheeding: During boot-up, spam the space bar to enter the boot loader. Then select a failsafe video mode.[03:44:15] <stpere> hamishm_, hmm, bebook says it can only be called in MouseDown[03:44:21] <stpere> and there, it's called in MouseMoved[03:44:24] <stpere> that might be why[03:45:06] <hamishm_> ah, indeed[03:45:24] <jessicah> oh, so maybe you could do that as the fix?[03:45:27] <stpere> ok, so I was partly right in my expectations[03:45:48] <stpere> hmm, yes[03:46:19] <stpere> setting the MouseEventMask from within the MouseDown will make view received events until the MouseUp events[03:46:27] <stpere> and then it will clear the flag[03:46:32] <jessicah> yup[03:46:48] <stpere> doing essentially what your patch did, but also resetting the other vars that are managed in MouseUp[03:47:28] <jessicah> shall i make a new patch?[03:47:41] <stpere> if you have time and will :)[03:48:37] <unheeding> rootbaron / Anarchos: even with failsafe video mode enabled it shuts off the monitor[03:48:55] <Anarchos> unheeding you have also to define a vesa mode[03:49:11] *** netstar has quit IRC[03:49:19] <Anarchos> standard one crashed, i had to explicitly set 1024*768*32[03:49:35] <unheeding> did that... same result[03:49:43] <Anarchos> unheeding what is your card ?[03:50:02] <unheeding> no idea, this is an old computer[03:50:51] <Anarchos> unheeding sorry for you... i can't help you further[03:51:06] <unheeding> that's all right, i can still run it in vmware[03:53:06] <jessicah> do you have to unset MouseEventMask later?[03:54:24] <stpere> jessicah, no, on MouseUp, everything returns as usual[03:54:43] <stpere> it's only valid for that current 'press'[03:55:04] <stpere> hence the need to call it in MouseDown I guess[03:55:28] <unheeding> Anarchos: it's an NVIDIA GeForce2 GTS/GeForce2 Pro[03:59:21] <stpere> night[03:59:29] *** stpere has quit IRC[04:00:06] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[04:07:53] *** SMCollins has joined #haiku[04:08:24] <SMCollins> anyone know Gertjan van Ratingen ?[04:10:07] <rootbaron> That name sounds familiar...[04:11:22] <SMCollins> Het wrote a few audio applications for Beos[04:11:38] <SMCollins> http://home.claranet.nl/users/gertjan/be/index.html[04:14:20] <jessicah> bambam sounds familiar[04:16:48] <SMCollins> was trying to contact him,[04:17:24] <SMCollins> would be nice to get recompiled version of those apps for Haiku, theres some breakage, and one of them is handy, pebbles[04:18:01] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[04:18:59] <rootbaron> His site's still up, so I assume there must be an email floating around.[04:19:14] <jessicah> the email at bottom of the page doesn't work?[04:20:32] <SMCollins> nope, the email bounces[04:23:39] <rootbaron> Hmm... Maybe a shark ate him and is now paying his hosting bills?[04:25:49] <SMCollins> no idea[04:26:35] <rootbaron> Shame, if only OSS was more common.[04:26:45] <rootbaron> So many great free apps get lost because the source was never released...[04:34:31] <jessicah> there's a guy by same name on linkedin[04:34:47] <jessicah> i dun have an account, but if anyone does, could try message that guy[04:35:53] <SMCollins> I'm staying as far away from linkedin as I can, spam central[04:36:10] <jessicah> that's what it looked like to me too[04:36:59] <rootbaron> Yes, I have an account.[04:37:06] <rootbaron> They send you a bunch of emails EVERY DAY.[04:37:14] <jessicah> :o[04:37:19] <rootbaron> I hate it.[04:37:28] <rootbaron> Facebook stalks you silently. LinkedIn hounds you daily.[04:37:37] <jessicah> err, well i think you need a non-free account to use their "InMail"[04:37:51] * rootbaron would never send money their way...[04:38:19] <jessicah> unless you get a free usage of InMail for doing stuff? like a weird rewards program[04:39:06] <rootbaron> Don't know. I've been meaning to delete my account...[04:39:17] <rootbaron> I found an email from 1995...[04:39:53] <rootbaron> gj at codim dot nl[04:39:58] <rootbaron> Apparently that's also one of his emails.[04:40:20] *** pseudomind has joined #haiku[04:43:44] *** Beretta021 has joined #haiku[04:45:45] <SMCollins> no bounce so far[04:47:14] * rootbaron crosses fingers.[04:49:42] <SMCollins> I hope he rplys[04:49:44] <SMCollins> replys[04:51:40] <hamishm_> or replies :)[04:51:53] <rootbaron> Yes, that's also good.[04:52:08] <rootbaron> I wonder if he still even has the source...[04:52:22] <rootbaron> He developed on a BeBox, and if I had one, I'd never let it go.[04:52:34] <rootbaron> Sure enough would preserve what's on it.[04:55:25] <SMCollins> We shall see[05:10:08] <SMCollins> off to bed ttyl, thanks for the help rootbaron[05:10:15] *** SMCollins has quit IRC[05:23:30] *** rootbaron has quit IRC[05:24:00] *** carter_ has quit IRC[05:24:00] *** carter__ has joined #haiku[05:24:14] *** rootbaron has joined #haiku[05:24:16] <rootbaron> Right.[05:24:25] <rootbaron> Don't resize the deskbar icons very fast and constantly.[05:24:37] <rootbaron> Apparently that causes a KDL which kills your family.[05:25:47] <jessicah> lol[05:34:01] <rootbaron> I'll load up a live USB in a minute to check again.[05:34:23] <augiedoggie> I'm pretty sure mmadia filed a bug about it the other day[05:34:34] *** Lily has quit IRC[05:34:46] <rootbaron> Excellent. I'll double-check.[05:34:53] <rootbaron> I guess HVIF is too extreme for Haiku. :p[05:35:46] <augiedoggie> maybe he didn't file one[05:36:00] <augiedoggie> I may have been thinking about the ShowImage one[05:37:30] <rootbaron> Is that QR code thingy working?[05:37:41] <rootbaron> Otherwise it's going to be a blurry camera shot.[05:39:11] *** Sikosis_ has joined #haiku[05:39:11] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis_[05:39:11] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[05:39:11] *** Sikosis_ is now known as Sikosis[05:40:03] <jessicah> it'd be nice if it dumped a QR code automatically as soon as it entered KDL[05:40:10] <jessicah> esp when usb keyboards don't work[05:41:31] *** happy4crazy has quit IRC[05:50:32] *** rootbaron has quit IRC[05:59:48] <jessicah> "he's under so crates" hahahaha[06:04:25] *** carter__ has quit IRC[06:04:36] *** carter__ has joined #haiku[06:08:26] *** duvjones has joined #haiku[06:10:45] *** unheeding has quit IRC[06:13:34] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[06:13:53] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[06:15:55] *** paul0 has joined #haiku[06:16:11] *** paul0 has quit IRC[06:23:05] *** hamishm_ has quit IRC[06:23:22] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[06:26:22] <CIA-58> haiku.r1alpha4: nielx * hrev44576 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=8f89ec6 : Update translations from Pootle[06:32:51] *** slubman has joined #haiku[06:46:14] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[06:46:33] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[07:00:00] *** nsuperbus has joined #haiku[07:30:59] *** bbjimmy-at-home has joined #haiku[07:34:00] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[07:34:01] *** bbjimmy-at-home is now known as bbjimmy[07:35:46] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[07:36:05] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[07:38:42] *** MatthewH12` has quit IRC[07:44:09] *** Luko has joined #haiku[07:58:12] *** pseudomind has quit IRC[08:02:06] *** Luko has quit IRC[08:02:25] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[08:02:44] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[08:09:30] *** Prodito has joined #haiku[08:17:28] *** _marc` has quit IRC[08:17:58] *** Luko has joined #haiku[08:49:04] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[08:49:23] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[08:51:54] *** jstressman1 has joined #haiku[08:54:25] *** jstressman has quit IRC[09:11:58] *** Negr0_VoP2P_LMin has joined #haiku[09:15:31] *** redblue has joined #haiku[09:15:43] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[09:16:02] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[09:19:20] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[09:22:52] *** Prodito has quit IRC[09:30:17] *** _marc` has joined #haiku[09:30:35] *** Luko18 has joined #haiku[09:33:07] *** Luko has quit IRC[09:41:44] *** stargater has joined #haiku[09:41:55] <stargater> moin[09:49:00] *** carter__ has quit IRC[09:49:06] *** carter has joined #haiku[09:51:04] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[09:51:22] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[09:53:02] <jessicah> even[09:54:42] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[09:55:01] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[10:02:23] *** johnny_b has joined #haiku[10:07:59] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[10:10:05] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[10:10:05] *** JsobCloud_ is now known as JsobCloud[10:14:04] *** Blub\w has joined #haiku[10:15:07] *** duvjones has quit IRC[10:31:47] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[10:35:25] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[10:35:25] *** JsobCloud_ is now known as JsobCloud[10:37:15] *** Luko18 has quit IRC[10:49:50] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[10:50:08] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[10:50:16] *** Cpy has joined #haiku[10:50:20] <Cpy> Mornin'[10:50:33] *** Cpy is now known as Tsyesika[10:53:40] *** js has quit IRC[11:01:39] <stargater> jo Tsyesika[11:03:30] <arfonzo> ahoy, friends.[11:03:48] *** mattlacey has quit IRC[11:07:17] <jessicah> hello peoples of the world[11:08:28] <Tsyesika> jessicah isn't it quite late there xD[11:08:41] <jessicah> nay[11:08:44] <jessicah> 12hour diff[11:08:55] <jessicah> 9pm[11:09:01] <Tsyesika> ahh okay :)[11:11:33] <arfonzo> hm, given SIGIO is not POSIX, what's the best way to deal with this requirement?[11:11:46] <arfonzo> how's everyone doing, btw? :)[11:11:56] <jessicah> curl up in a ball and cry?[11:12:47] <arfonzo> jessicah: already done so overnight... it didn't work! :([11:14:10] <jessicah> complain that it's not POSIX?[11:14:31] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[11:14:37] <jessicah> what are you porting, anyway? :)[11:14:52] <jessicah> Tsyesika: how are you?[11:15:13] <Tsyesika> I'm good thanks, you?[11:15:18] <arfonzo> jessicah: I'm looking at nginx at the moment.[11:15:20] <jessicah> arfonzo: i'm doing okay :) i'm watching old episodes of Alias[11:15:33] <Tsyesika> Tsyesika bit tired though :([11:15:34] <jessicah> arfonzo: use poorman :p[11:15:38] <Tsyesika> i've only had like a hour and half sleep[11:15:44] <arfonzo> Guess I'll just do the ol' crappo fix of #ifdef'ing around it.[11:16:10] <jessicah> arfonzo: why porting server stuff to haiku anyway?[11:16:14] <arfonzo> jessicah: I'm running thttpd at the moment on Haiku, but I'd like to look at some reverse proxying stuff.[11:16:20] <jessicah> it's not a server OS, remember[11:16:35] <jessicah> you should use linux. it's good for that :p[11:16:38] *** duvjones has joined #haiku[11:17:13] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[11:17:13] *** JsobCloud_ is now known as JsobCloud[11:17:27] <jessicah> Tsyesika: tired from partying too hard last night?[11:17:32] <arfonzo> I am less concerned about what people categorise Haiku as, and more concerned with doing what I want to do in it. :)[11:17:38] <jessicah> i think it was last night you went to pub[11:18:03] <jessicah> it's a desktop os! grrrr[11:18:04] <jessicah> :p[11:18:07] <jessicah> lol[11:18:27] <Tsyesika> nawh it was the day before[11:19:17] <Tsyesika> arfonzo I'm with jessicah on this, it's a desktop OS... your effort would be better spent on developing/porting desktop applications[11:19:43] <arfonzo> Tsyesika: erm, can't I choose what I do with my own time? :|[11:20:21] *** carter has quit IRC[11:20:44] <Tsyesika> arfonzo yeh, it was advice not orders[11:20:46] <jessicah> arfonzo: hehe, it's okay :)[11:21:10] <jessicah> it'd just be nice to see efforts into stuff a bit more useful to wider haiku community ;)[11:21:23] <arfonzo> Cool. I hear that.[11:22:14] <Tsyesika> jessicah I always wondered why Poorman was shipped with haiku[11:23:18] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.[11:23:37] <Tsyesika> mornin' brobostigon[11:23:53] <brobostigon> morning Tsyesika[11:24:58] <jessicah> good morning brobostigon![11:25:20] <brobostigon> good morning jessicah[11:26:12] <jessicah> Tsyesika: yeah i dunno either. maybe poorman was the web server equivalent of php for making web pages :)[11:27:00] <brobostigon> i reckon it was there, so when you did web dev, you could test stuff, without uploading it. and you could test directly.[11:27:01] <Tsyesika> hmm :P[11:27:24] <Tsyesika> brobostigon people that do webdev have test servers setup...[11:27:26] <arfonzo> Haven't you guys ever needed to host a web server for a short period of time? Running a web server doesn't necessarily equate to a dedicated box that is up 24/7.[11:27:37] <brobostigon> Tsyesika: locally or remote, yes.[11:28:00] <Tsyesika> usually remotely as they typically deploy on a specific enviroment ... it will hardly be the haiku enviroment[11:28:24] <jessicah> these days we do[11:28:47] <Tsyesika> like i write for a specific PHP version, using specific versions of mysql/mongo/etc...[11:28:52] <jessicah> having servers available was less common back then[11:29:06] <Tsyesika> jessicah I guess :P haiku gotta change with the times tho ;)[11:29:16] <jessicah> :)[11:29:18] <Tsyesika> most linux distro's don't ship with a http server :P[11:29:39] <Tsyesika> macs do tho[11:33:15] <johnny_b> poorman comes from the times when dynamic sites weren't common[11:33:26] <johnny_b> and it was included in BeOS[11:34:36] <johnny_b> and couple of people run his/her own site on beos/poorman combo[11:39:06] <jessicah> yeah, was that kinda era :p[11:39:47] <Tsyesika> ahh i see, I am pretty new to haiku :P only really taken an interest in the last year and only really properly started using it the last 2 or so months[11:41:55] <arfonzo> I've only been using Haiku this year, but I try to do everything from it... it's been interesting, and mostly possible.[11:42:16] <Tsyesika> yeh this netbook i have has haiku on it and my desktop does[11:42:37] <Tsyesika> i still have a few gentoo machines kicking around which i use skype off and stuff but on the hole it's been pretty good[11:43:02] <jessicah> i can't really use haiku yet[11:43:09] <jessicah> doesn't boot on my mac[11:43:12] <Tsyesika> ahh :([11:43:15] <jessicah> has no pptp[11:43:18] <jessicah> no smb support[11:43:24] <Tsyesika> my mac wasn't so fond of coffee[11:43:25] <Tsyesika> or cider[11:43:32] <Tsyesika> so it's no longer with us[11:43:59] <munchaus1n> jessicah - trade in your macbook for a thinkpad - thats what I'm doing :D[11:44:09] <munchaus1n> wont help with pptp or smb though :([11:44:17] <arfonzo> I run Haiku in a VM here. It crashes every day or two, but virtualising it makes it fairly painless.[11:44:30] <Tsyesika> haiku doesn't have drivers for my wireless card in my thinkpad so be careful :P[11:44:44] <arfonzo> Also you have more possibilities in terms of getting it connected, etc, through your host OS hardware compatibility.[11:44:53] <jessicah> i'm sticking with my mba :p[11:44:55] <Tsyesika> arfonzo I sometimes get some kernel panics but on the whole crashing isn't a massive problem[11:44:57] <munchaus1n> I'm getting an x61... so far as I can tell most everything is supported. But I may have to swap out the network card[11:44:59] <arfonzo> Haiku works fine on my Thinkpad x61t.[11:45:17] <Tsyesika> though yesterday i had a real issue where it nuked my code i was working on when i had a kernel panic[11:45:25] <arfonzo> Not the wacom pen and screen tho, yet. :) :([11:45:30] <Tsyesika> it just dumped junk into the file and wrote it to the hdd[11:46:26] <munchaus1n> yea, I'm not getting the touchscreen version[11:46:33] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[11:46:35] <arfonzo> I don't use the x61 often, but when I do, it seems to run fairly hot.[11:46:37] <munchaus1n> and obv the fingerprint reader wont work[11:46:53] <munchaus1n> Yeah, that's the disadvantage of the x6* series[11:47:01] <Tsyesika> I want a thinkpad T60 it's got a open wifi well some of them do[11:47:10] <Tsyesika> I got a T61 and blah[11:47:27] <arfonzo> munchaus1n: that is only with Haiku tho. When it ran Win7 it is fine.[11:47:45] <munchaus1n> Oh. From what I'm told its pretty hot in *nix[11:48:00] <arfonzo> Think some CPU scaling and power mgmt work has been done this summer and possibly ongoing that may ameliorate this situation tho.[11:48:02] <Tsyesika> since my thinkpad screen broke i'm tempted to put haiku on it since it'll now stay put with a moniter hooked up it won't be an issue to shove an ethernet in[11:48:13] <munchaus1n> Yeah, was just going to say that[11:48:31] <arfonzo> Tsyesika: I'd say try it. :)[11:49:22] <jessicah> sounds like you all have heaps of computers :p[11:49:30] <Tsyesika> jessicah who?[11:49:38] <jessicah> like you[11:49:46] <Tsyesika> o :P I have a few yeh[11:50:03] <Tsyesika> 3 desktops, a laptop and a netbook (a dead mac book too)[11:50:09] <arfonzo> I have a pile of 5 x61t's under my table here, I couldn't resist putting Haiku on one here...[11:50:23] * Tsyesika steals one shhhh[11:50:24] <Tsyesika> ^_^[11:50:36] <jessicah> =^.^=[11:50:39] <munchaus1n> I've got a lot of _old_ computers[11:50:42] <munchaus1n> Not so many new ones[11:50:47] <munchaus1n> My macbook is 2006[11:50:56] <munchaus1n> And I have a macbook pro from work, but not mine[11:52:37] <munchaus1n> I've got a 1976 HP-85 that's pretty cool. It works entirely in BCD[11:52:48] <arfonzo> oh yeah, these x61ts are all from work. It's not that I'm a fatcat or anything.[11:53:00] <jessicah> :p[11:53:02] <arfonzo> cool![11:53:26] <arfonzo> Conveniently, work seemed to have forgotten about them. So here they sit, decaying.[11:53:45] <jessicah> i can send you my mailing address :)[11:53:53] <munchaus1n> also a very early laptop with a 4-shades of orange plasma display hat takes full size ISA cards[11:57:44] <jessicah> orange![11:57:50] <jessicah> so groovy[11:58:52] <jessicah> i played with a 286 with a green on black monochrome display[11:59:00] <jessicah> was step-dad's old computer[11:59:03] <jessicah> that was kind of fun[11:59:15] <jessicah> so retro (to me)[11:59:35] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[11:59:54] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[12:00:47] <munchaus1n> yeah I love retro computers. But they are taking over my flat. One day I've got to move somewhere where I can have a whole room for them... one day![12:02:35] <jessicah> lol![12:04:42] <johnny_b> munchaus1n: do that[12:05:03] *** carter has joined #haiku[12:05:04] *** fhein has joined #haiku[12:07:05] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[12:08:01] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[12:08:20] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[12:08:31] <munchaus1n> johnny_b - I'll send you a picture ;)[12:09:27] <johnny_b> mkay :)[12:24:17] *** OmniMancer1 has quit IRC[12:24:37] *** _marc` has quit IRC[12:28:04] <munchaus1n> argh, they still haven't sent my thinkpad[12:28:08] <munchaus1n> It's been 3 days![12:33:41] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[12:34:00] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[12:36:21] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[12:36:40] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[12:38:16] <Tsyesika> I'm off guys[12:38:17] <Tsyesika> bye x[12:38:24] *** Tsyesika has quit IRC[12:40:21] *** _marc` has joined #haiku[12:40:50] *** robert_negro has joined #haiku[12:43:33] <munchaus1n> huh, get this. the HP-85 could do 64-bit floating point arithmetic, in BCD[12:45:41] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[12:45:59] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[12:52:09] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[12:52:16] *** robert_negro has quit IRC[12:52:56] *** letharion has quit IRC[13:01:45] *** letharion has joined #haiku[13:02:47] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[13:06:09] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[13:06:09] *** JsobCloud_ is now known as JsobCloud[13:08:52] *** happy4crazy has joined #haiku[13:10:47] *** letharion has quit IRC[13:11:15] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[13:14:46] *** mattlacey has quit IRC[13:18:49] <munchaus1n> If I'm building a haiku kernel on a hybrid system for a hybrid system, which configure method should I use? I followed the instructions by creating generated.x86gcc2 and generated.x86gcc4 and running configure from there, but now jam -q kernel_x86 says "No `BuildConfig' found in generated/build!"[13:19:16] *** carter has quit IRC[13:19:51] *** planetmaker has left #haiku[13:21:47] *** carter has joined #haiku[13:27:30] *** letharion has joined #haiku[13:29:22] *** js has joined #haiku[13:32:35] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[13:33:47] <munchaus1n> aha, it's in the docs duh[13:33:56] <munchaus1n> you have to do it from one of the generated dirs[13:35:55] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[13:35:55] *** JsobCloud_ is now known as JsobCloud[13:37:34] *** Luko has joined #haiku[13:42:55] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[13:43:14] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[13:43:50] *** carter_ has joined #haiku[13:43:53] *** carter has quit IRC[13:51:09] *** letharion has quit IRC[13:51:26] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[13:51:44] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[13:56:36] <munchaus1n> woop - swipl regression test failures down from 29 to 6 under haiku :D[13:57:59] *** carter_ has quit IRC[13:58:11] *** stargater has quit IRC[13:58:56] *** letharion has joined #haiku[14:03:28] *** trn has quit IRC[14:04:52] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[14:05:11] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[14:06:42] *** trn has joined #haiku[14:06:48] *** carter_ has joined #haiku[14:14:06] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[14:14:25] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[14:16:18] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[14:17:20] *** nyl has joined #haiku[14:20:21] *** letharion has quit IRC[14:24:29] *** kcj has quit IRC[14:26:54] *** letharion has joined #haiku[14:29:06] *** mattlacey has quit IRC[14:34:23] *** carter_ has quit IRC[14:34:32] *** carter_ has joined #haiku[14:34:43] *** adamk has quit IRC[14:36:07] *** happy4crazy has quit IRC[14:38:30] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[14:38:49] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[14:40:03] *** dsjonny has joined #haiku[14:40:45] *** dsjonny has left #haiku[14:41:44] *** Spacewalker has joined #haiku[14:41:45] *** Spacewalker has joined #haiku[14:45:10] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[14:45:29] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[14:46:59] *** backb0ne has quit IRC[14:47:03] <munchaus1n> Down to 2 failed tests :D[14:48:30] <jezek2> nice :)[14:49:30] <CIA-58> yongcong-github.master: yongcong-github * d0de779cd39ccce68ee91720d7e758fb36817229 : x86_cpuidle: coding style fix according to Jerome [2 commits][14:49:30] <jezek2> munchaus1n: what do you use prolog for btw? :)[14:50:08] <jezek2> recently I stumled upon it, and was interesting, but somehow it escapes me where it really shines, also saw that some realworld apps looks quite procedural[14:51:43] <munchaus1n> I use it for SMT solving mostly[14:51:56] <munchaus1n> It's very easy to implement a SAT solver[14:52:20] <munchaus1n> And theory propogation is also very easy to implement[14:52:45] <munchaus1n> Although its not as efficient as a C/C++ SAT solver[14:53:24] <munchaus1n> later I need to swap it out for C++ code, but for the time being it works well[14:53:48] *** backb0ne has joined #haiku[14:54:11] <jezek2> yeah, that's just optimization once it's done and proven to work[14:54:30] <munchaus1n> exactly... it takes 5-10 times the development time to write the C++ code[14:54:36] <jezek2> I suspected it would be more for such stuff, than say writing ordinary programs :)[14:54:47] <munchaus1n> yeah... I don't know who would do that[14:54:51] <jezek2> and for some prototyping or things like that[14:54:57] <munchaus1n> Although it's great for parsing stuff[14:55:01] <jezek2> I love it's so easy to learn and not having bad syntax[14:55:14] <jezek2> unlike many functional languages and stuff like that that are just screaming "weird!"[14:55:17] <munchaus1n> And doing any kind of list manipulation theory or anything like that[14:55:18] <jezek2> :)[14:55:26] *** carter_ has quit IRC[14:55:36] *** carter_ has joined #haiku[14:55:47] <munchaus1n> When I first used it I was very confused. And then amazed at how little there is to it[14:55:59] <jezek2> hm for parsing that sounds interesting, it could find some "shortcuts" more effectivelly[14:56:09] <jezek2> for things like lookahead[14:56:36] <jezek2> though I wrote just normal parser with all my code (not any parser generator) and works quite well for me :)[14:56:42] <munchaus1n> logic programming is kind of old hat to most computer scientists though[14:57:10] *** palopali has joined #haiku[14:59:35] <munchaus1n> It's also quite good for experimenting with types and unification[14:59:46] *** negusnyul has joined #haiku[14:59:51] <jezek2> can the (swi-)prolog export some pseudocode with concrete steps to solve some task? already optimized? :) something like planners do in SQL databases to optimize the queries and then the result is simple set of operations (kinda like bytecode)[15:03:29] <munchaus1n> Hmmm dunno. Different prolog implementations are very different... they do have a sort of vm/kernel. You can hook into it with C and vice-versa. It's possible the swi/sicstus guys have implemented something like that but I'm not really sure, I'm no expert. I know you can compile SWI programs into binaries though.[15:07:46] <munchaus1n> I can see that being useful though[15:08:17] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[15:10:40] <munchaus1n> And about procedural looking code - I see a lot of prolog code with 'if' constructs. Personally my code never ends up having them, I don't really think they're ever needed, just a consequence of people thinking in a more imperative way. They are actually just wrappers on cuts anyway[15:11:33] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[15:12:09] *** JsobCloud_ is now known as JsobCloud[15:14:53] *** duvjones has quit IRC[15:16:41] <munchaus1n> Got a really weird bug now. When I put trace on there's no bug, without trace it fails. :([15:16:53] *** Spacewalker has quit IRC[15:17:08] *** Megaf has quit IRC[15:17:12] *** happy4crazy has joined #haiku[15:19:27] *** carter_ has quit IRC[15:23:46] *** carter_ has joined #haiku[15:25:32] <munchaus1n> ok 1 test fails[15:28:42] *** Spacewalker has joined #haiku[15:28:43] *** Spacewalker has joined #haiku[15:38:06] *** rjg_ is now known as rjg[15:38:37] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[15:38:56] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[15:38:59] *** CommanderSpleen has quit IRC[15:39:06] *** Luko has quit IRC[15:39:23] *** jimage has joined #haiku[15:39:27] *** happy4crazy has quit IRC[15:41:41] *** happy4crazy has joined #haiku[15:44:08] *** Luko has joined #haiku[15:47:32] *** netstar has joined #haiku[15:48:44] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[15:48:44] *** Megaf has joined #haiku[15:49:27] <munchaus1n> So haiku ignores the TZ (timezone) env var, which causes the last regression test to fail[15:50:26] <munchaus1n> Is there an api to change the time zone?[15:51:50] <munchaus1n> Though it's a pain because currently prolog changes timezones from within prolog before running the test, simply by changing the environment variable. To fix it properly I'd either have to make haiku pay attention to the env var or implement a prolog function that calls the correct C api[15:52:05] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[15:52:05] *** JsobCloud_ is now known as JsobCloud[15:57:23] <munchaus1n> hmm. apprently TZ is required by posix http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/basedefs/xbd_chap08.html[16:03:23] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[16:03:24] *** netstar has quit IRC[16:09:57] *** hamishm has joined #haiku[16:13:04] *** jimage has quit IRC[16:14:41] *** jimage has joined #haiku[16:14:52] *** backb0ne has quit IRC[16:16:03] *** happy4crazy has quit IRC[16:23:05] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[16:23:24] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[16:32:40] <mmu_man> munchaus1n: send a patch :p[16:33:50] *** happy4crazy has joined #haiku[16:35:08] *** GeekShadow has quit IRC[16:35:17] *** jayrulez has quit IRC[16:36:34] *** Megaf has quit IRC[16:36:41] *** GeekShadow has joined #haiku[16:38:51] *** robert_negro has joined #haiku[16:45:56] <munchaus1n> mmu_man - I'll probably look into it at some point, I've raised a ticket. It doesnt actually affect swipl, just makes the test fail. Right now I'm sorting out getting swi into ports. I'm struggling with trying to get rid of all the extra files that 'make clean' and 'make distclean' should remove but dont so that I can get a proper patch[16:48:12] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[16:48:12] <OmniMancer> munchaus1n: can you not do an out of tree build?[16:48:52] <munchaus1n> what do you mean?[16:49:31] <munchaus1n> I can make svn give me a patch, but I dont know if it will be in the right format for haiku ports[16:49:39] <OmniMancer> do the configure and build outside of the source[16:49:53] <munchaus1n> Oh I see. I don't know how to do that[16:49:57] <munchaus1n> It's kind of too late now[16:50:06] <OmniMancer> so that you don't destroy your nice clean source tree[16:50:16] <munchaus1n> I can't remember all the files I've had to change[16:51:07] *** happy4crazy has quit IRC[16:51:37] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[16:51:37] *** JsobCloud_ is now known as JsobCloud[16:52:31] <OmniMancer> :([16:52:40] *** qptain_Nemo has joined #haiku[16:52:53] *** happy4crazy has joined #haiku[16:52:53] <munchaus1n> how do you do that though - for future reference when doing ports?[16:53:09] <munchaus1n> Just call configure from somewhere else and do make -f?[16:53:13] *** kallisti6 is now known as kallisti5[16:53:27] *** Negr0_VoP2P_LMin has quit IRC[16:53:37] <OmniMancer> try just making a dir[16:53:49] <OmniMancer> and calling configure in that[16:54:35] <munchaus1n> k, will try that next time[16:55:17] <OmniMancer> it might not work, but I try to build things this way unless I am simply building them for 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And a 32 ounces beer[23:01:32] <AlienSoldier> here it's apple time, they are early[23:02:56] <stpere> Thats a lot healthier :)[23:05:07] <AlienSoldier> found 2 new tree this year. it's amazing how i can find place i never visited before on my own land! 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