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[00:38:07] <Anarchos> jessicah hi , just for fun i began to code the ocaml runtime in MMIX…
[00:38:21] <jessicah> mmu_man: sounds interesting :)
[00:38:31] <jessicah> guess that means the PPC port will be getting some love
[00:38:55] <jessicah> Anarchos: not going to remake your bindings to the BeAPI then?
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[01:14:23] <munchaus1n> arg
[01:14:31] <munchaus1n> can anyone help me make package-cfg work?
[01:14:49] <munchaus1n> sorry pkg-config
[01:15:14] <augiedoggie> I usually bypass it when I'm building stuff :P
[01:15:19] <munchaus1n> I've ported a couple of libraries but they aren't being detected by linker with -l<whatever>
[01:15:47] <munchaus1n> augiedoggie - how?
[01:16:13] <augiedoggie> you can override autotools by setting environment variables
[01:16:18] <munchaus1n> pkg-config is supposedly in ports but when I try and install it it says it doesn't exist
[01:16:20] <augiedoggie> like pkg_FOO_CFLAGS
[01:16:58] <munchaus1n> I don't follow
[01:17:19] <munchaus1n> I have something which expects libelf to be linked by giving "-lelf"
[01:17:31] <munchaus1n> How can I get it to do this without pkg-config?
[01:17:47] <CIA-58> haiku.master: mmu_man * hrev44570 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=70449c9 :
[01:17:47] <CIA-58> dev-perso: Add current branch name in window title for git
[01:17:47] <CIA-58> * when the project uses git, include the current branch name
[01:17:47] <CIA-58> in the terminal window title
[01:18:31] <augiedoggie> this is your project using libelf or something else?
[01:18:56] <munchaus1n> Yep
[01:19:06] <munchaus1n> So I ported libelf but it isn't linking
[01:19:20] <munchaus1n> But I see loads of stuff in /boot/common/lib/pkgconfig
[01:19:25] <augiedoggie> that didn't answer my question
[01:19:39] <munchaus1n> including libelf.pc
[01:19:52] <munchaus1n> 00:18 < munchaus1n> Yep
[01:20:02] <munchaus1n> ^^ This is my project using libelf
[01:20:27] <augiedoggie> and you're using autotools for the configure step, or cmake, or pure makefile?
[01:20:37] <munchaus1n> autotools
[01:20:41] <augiedoggie> ew
[01:20:49] <munchaus1n> sorry, not mine
[01:20:55] <munchaus1n> My system is using makefile
[01:21:02] <munchaus1n> libelf is using autotools
[01:21:12] <augiedoggie> ok
[01:21:33] <munchaus1n> (sorry, a bit frustrated)
[01:21:43] <augiedoggie> and you installed libelf with a prefix of /boot/common ?
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[01:21:47] <munchaus1n> yep
[01:22:06] <munchaus1n> It's got headers in /boot/common/include/libelf, picked up fine
[01:22:15] <munchaus1n> Library is in /boot/common/lib
[01:22:29] <munchaus1n> and pkgconfig file in /boot/common/lib/pkgcondig
[01:22:35] <augiedoggie> did you switch compilers with setgcc?
[01:22:42] <munchaus1n> (Library = libelf.so)
[01:22:48] <munchaus1n> Nope
[01:22:53] <munchaus1n> Well, I'm on gcc4
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[01:22:57] <munchaus1n> I haven't changed it
[01:23:12] <augiedoggie> hm, pastebin the command that's failing please
[01:23:24] <hamishm> if its in /boot/common/lib you might need to do
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[01:25:23] <munchaus1n> http://pastebin.com/z4YLGuhj
[01:26:27] <augiedoggie> yes, like hamishm said, you'll need to set the linker include path
[01:27:32] <munchaus1n> ah s**t
[01:27:36] <munchaus1n> yes I didn't think of that
[01:27:52] <munchaus1n> I have -L/usr/local/lib
[01:27:58] <munchaus1n> Sorry, I'm a dumbass
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[01:30:21] <munchaus1n> I can't seem to discover if haiku has libtermcap
[01:30:32] <munchaus1n> Is it another one that is in libroot?
[01:30:43] <augiedoggie> I don't think it has one at all
[01:31:44] <munchaus1n> hmm ok
[01:33:57] <augiedoggie> most apps use the ncurses termcap functions
[01:34:11] <munchaus1n> yeah I'm thinking I can probably use ncurses
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[01:46:59] <Lily> Hey folks, I'm back
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[01:50:29] <munchaus1n> ncurses failed to build from ports. It's not included by default by any chance?
[01:50:39] <augiedoggie> it is
[01:51:01] <augiedoggie> I've never had it fail to build from ports though
[01:52:08] <munchaus1n> I'll pastebin the end of compilation if it's of any interest?
[01:52:15] <munchaus1n> fails to link to libstdc
[01:52:15] <augiedoggie> sure
[01:53:19] <munchaus1n> http://pastebin.com/mziGx5ff
[01:53:42] <OmniMancer1> there is meant to be a ++ on the end of that
[01:53:55] <Anarchos> augiedoggie i experienced some strange behaviour while using ncurses for an ascii game (nethack) i ported. I must investigate to see if there are bad  interactions with termcaps
[01:54:09] <munchaus1n> yes, sorry
[01:54:17] <munchaus1n> libstdc++
[01:54:31] <OmniMancer1> and it should be -lstdc++ with no .r4 on it
[01:54:42] <OmniMancer1> I think
[01:55:14] <augiedoggie> something is weird with that, it's using things from both compilers
[01:55:22] <munchaus1n> well, I don't know. I just did "haikuporter -i ncurses-5.9"
[01:55:46] <munchaus1n> I could try again after "setgcc gcc4"
[01:56:41] <augiedoggie> have you been messing with the directory layout inside of /boot/develop ?
[01:56:45] <munchaus1n> I'll do that, clean, build, see what happens
[01:56:48] <munchaus1n> Nope
[01:56:56] <munchaus1n> Didn't even know that directory existed
[01:58:27] <munchaus1n> hmmm... haikuporter -c is running configure... interesting
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[01:59:27] <munchaus1n> so clean also starts a new build?
[01:59:56] <augiedoggie> yes
[02:00:44] <munchaus1n> it will take a while to build...ncurses is bigger than I thought
[02:03:14] <munchaus1n> My project still doesnt build and I'm not really sure why... complains about strsep and then some others but I clearly have string.h included. Haiku make is gmake?
[02:04:18] <augiedoggie> strsep is commented out of the header
[02:04:28] <augiedoggie> it's probably not implemented
[02:04:38] <munchaus1n> oh...
[02:05:04] <munchaus1n> Is there an alternative?
[02:05:53] <munchaus1n> strtok?
[02:06:14] <munchaus1n> I understoof strsep to be somehow better with delimiters
[02:06:34] <munchaus1n> I know they aren't strictly safe string functions
[02:07:24] <Lily> Can I change the background options via commandline?
[02:07:39] <munchaus1n> strtok works
[02:08:13] <munchaus1n> now its complaining about add_history and readline... so something funny is going on with readline
[02:10:57] <munchaus1n> No change in building ncurses
[02:11:10] <augiedoggie> builds fine for me
[02:11:33] <augiedoggie> http://ports-space.haiku-files.org/sys-libs/
[02:11:35] <munchaus1n> ncurses 5.8?
[02:11:40] <augiedoggie> 5.9
[02:12:15] <munchaus1n> ahh, wait
[02:12:28] <munchaus1n> first time was 5.9, second 5.8
[02:12:40] <augiedoggie> they should both build
[02:12:43] <munchaus1n> I was going to try an older version
[02:13:01] <munchaus1n> well... they dont
[02:13:02] <jessicah> Lily: 'hey' might work :)
[02:13:16] <Lily> jessicah huh? :P
[02:13:39] <jessicah> it sends bmessages
[02:13:43] <munchaus1n> So is something seriously messed up on my system. I could reinstall, but I'll have to back up all my work and other files
[02:14:03] <munchaus1n> Makes me wonder if other stuff will be broken though
[02:14:05] <Lily> hmm
[02:14:19] <Lily> jessicah how would i find out value names and stuff?
[02:14:25] <munchaus1n> Are you using a hybrid system?
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[02:15:05] <augiedoggie> not on this particular build, but I have built them on hybrids in the past
[02:16:06] <munchaus1n> I'm on r44475
[02:16:33] <Lily> jessicah I'm writing a script type thing just to install some stuff and set backgrounds and stuff so when i re-do a nightly install everything is how i'd want it
[02:21:21] <munchaus1n> So turned out readline wasn't linking properly because it doesnt make a libreadline.so to link to libreadline.so.6
[02:24:45] <munchaus1n> I think strtok doesnt work exactly like strsep
[02:25:17] <stpere> I should exercice and stop poutine.
[02:25:32] <jessicah> Lily: oh neat
[02:25:38] <jessicah> couldn't you just copy settings over?
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[02:26:44] <Lily> yeh i guess I could actually
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[02:27:14] <jessicah> hmm, Backgrounds might not be scriptable
[02:28:27] <Lily> if it's not :P It should be xD
[02:30:17] <jessicah> it would be nice if it was automagic
[02:30:52] <jessicah> so that you didn't have to explicitly implement it
[02:30:58] <Lily> mmm
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[02:34:09] <jessicah> omg, i want a sand kitten
[02:34:23] <jessicah> http://www.zooborns.com/zooborns/2012/08/extinct-in-israel-sand-cat-kittens-emerge-at-zoo-tel-aviv.html
[02:35:01] <dreamed> they are super cute, yes
[02:35:22] <Lily> 'daww
[02:36:49] * Lily yawns
[02:40:08] <munchaus1n> whats up with gdb on haiku? I can't seem to put in a breakpoint - it tells me the line doesn't exist in the file
[02:40:26] <augiedoggie> it's broken for gcc4
[02:40:48] <munchaus1n> booo
[02:40:56] <augiedoggie> use the gui debugger
[02:41:02] <munchaus1n> gui debugger?
[02:41:24] <Lily> munchaus1n it's in applications
[02:42:20] <munchaus1n> thanks
[02:42:25] <munchaus1n> this looks pretty
[02:44:56] <jessicah> oh! that's awesome
[02:45:03] <jessicah> how did i never notice that there before??
[02:45:13] <Lily> xD
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[02:48:30] <munchaus1n> yeah, and there was me complaining about gdb!
[02:49:42] <Lily> have you guys know http://haiku-files.org ... have you noticed zip and xz position alternates
[02:52:49] <munchaus1n> Woooop! My software works on haiku :D :D
[02:52:54] <Lily> :)
[02:53:01] <munchaus1n> Thanks for the help augiedoggie
[02:53:11] <augiedoggie> np
[02:53:14] <munchaus1n> Now to post my ports to haiku ports
[02:53:41] <munchaus1n> Lily - I don't understand - position alternatives?
[02:54:33] <Lily> erm... http://haiku-files.org/haiku/development/ <-- like check it out the order it lists the images changes
[02:54:36] <augiedoggie> pretty sure I told mmadia about that a long time ago
[02:54:41] <Lily> it's not consistant
[02:54:42] <jessicah> Lily: yeah i have
[02:54:54] <jessicah> it doesn't really bother me though
[02:54:57] <Lily> I wonder if they edit it manually :P
[02:55:14] <Lily> jessicah nah i'd rather they spent time working on haiku then working out the code
[02:55:54] <munchaus1n> I see haiku has graphviz... does it support some kind of windowed output?
[02:56:11] <munchaus1n> In *nix you can output to xlib and it makes a window
[02:56:14] <augiedoggie> it has only been tested in conjunction with doxygen
[02:56:14] <stpere> nah, it's a script
[02:56:33] <augiedoggie> that's the only reason I added graphviz to the repo
[02:56:37] <munchaus1n> hmm ok.
[02:57:09] <Lily> jessicah do you know if the code behind the websites is open too
[02:57:20] <Lily> maybe i could submit a patch :P (depending on the language)
[02:57:40] <stpere> it's php
[02:57:48] <Lily> yeh I can write PHP :)
[02:58:19] <jessicah> Lily: no idea
[02:58:34] <munchaus1n> Now I really only need prolog to work properly
[02:58:34] <jessicah> i did submit a patch for their donation page a lil while ago which they applied
[02:58:52] <jessicah> but that kind of fix would need the backend sources =/
[02:58:55] <Lily> jessicah where is the code at? :s
[02:59:17] <jessicah> mine was a fix to their javascript, so didn't need their backend code
[02:59:26] <Lily> ahh i see
[03:00:37] <stpere> that FileTypes bug is driving me nuts! :P
[03:00:41] <stpere> GGNNAA!
[03:01:26] <munchaus1n> I have made changes to some libraries that requires autoreconf to be run. When I make a .bep, should I have it run autoreconf or just have a patch with the modified configure and makefile?
[03:01:41] <Lily> I have noticed double clicking python files it keeps opening in stylededit or w/e it's called... I checked in the settings for file type and it says it will open them in Pe but it doesn't
[03:01:41] <stpere> and I've started working on it to stop working on another bug which was also driving me nuts.. sigh!
[03:02:14] <augiedoggie> munchaus1n: we prefer not to commit changes to the generated files, have it run autoreconf
[03:02:55] <stpere> Lily, you can right click your file, select Add-on > Filetype
[03:03:08] <Lily> yeh but it have to to do it to all of them
[03:03:20] <munchaus1n> I've had some strange problems like that trying to get tex files recognised. Can't remember how but I eventually got it to work. I had to fiddle with both the tex file and betex executable, even though betwex was already registered as handling that file type
[03:03:28] <stpere> no, I mean, is it recognized as a python file?
[03:03:39] <munchaus1n> augiedoggie - k, thanks
[03:03:47] <Lily> ooo
[03:03:49] <Lily> err
[03:03:53] <Lily> i'll check it out
[03:04:19] <jessicah> stpere: filetypes bug?
[03:04:42] <Lily> ah no, it thinks it's "Text file"
[03:04:51] <stpere> when you drag an icon out of the IconView (where you see the icon at the bottom left of the add-on), you can only do it once
[03:05:04] <munchaus1n> Lily - right click and do identify?
[03:05:07] <stpere> it seems to get stuck in a state where you can't drag it anymore
[03:05:14] <stpere> until the icon change for whatever reason
[03:05:19] <stpere> then it works again
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[03:05:59] <Lily> munchaus1n did that, made no difference
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[03:06:20] <stpere> I wonder what are the rules to identify a python file
[03:06:24] <stpere> sec..
[03:06:39] <Lily> it identifies some it seems
[03:07:39] <stpere> it's based on file extension
[03:07:44] <stpere> .py is expected
[03:07:49] <Lily> It is .py
[03:07:58] <Lily> maybe it's a bug
[03:08:04] <stpere> yes maybe
[03:08:12] <Lily> it just seems to random and unreproducable
[03:08:19] <stpere> can you email me one of those mis-identified file?
[03:08:24] <munchaus1n> Have you checked the python executable is definitely associated with the file?
[03:08:37] <stpere> munchaus1n, in that case, it should open with Pe
[03:08:37] <Lily> stpere sure i can
[03:08:40] <stpere> a text editor
[03:09:09] <stpere> thanks Lily
[03:10:17] <munchaus1n> That GUI debugger is really awesome
[03:11:32] <jessicah> stpere: it appears that FileTypes believes the ref is still being held onto
[03:11:41] <munchaus1n> Though the I dont know how to get the breakpoints to work as it doesnt know where to find the source
[03:11:49] <Lily> lol how do i attach a file using the standard email stuff in haiku
[03:11:52] <jessicah> (which is how it enables automatic updating when edited in say icon-o-matic)
[03:11:58] <munchaus1n> But it doesnt matter as I just clicked on the frame and put in a break point there
[03:12:06] <jessicah> so it won't let you drag it again while that's true
[03:12:52] <jessicah> line 696 in IconView.cpp
[03:13:36] <Lily> >.< don't tell me the email thing doesn't support attachments >.<
[03:14:31] <Lily> stpere i'll upload it to a webserver :P
[03:14:39] <stpere> kk :)
[03:14:46] <stpere> whatever is less trouble for you!
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[03:15:32] <jessicah> stpere: Unset() is only place fHasrefs gets set back to false, which is invoked by various SetTo() calls as well
[03:15:41] <jessicah> which explains why it gets reenabled when you change the icon
[03:16:27] <stpere> hmm, well, fHasRef actually refers to the file the icon is related to
[03:16:33] <stpere> by opposition to fHasType
[03:16:43] <stpere> because that view could be called in two different context
[03:16:54] <stpere> (when right clicking a file, or by the filetypes preflet)
[03:17:10] <Lily> stpere http://tsyesika.co.uk/privmsg.py
[03:17:19] <stpere> the filetype preflet could have that view refer to a type, like text/plain, rather than a particular file (ref)
[03:17:39] <jessicah> what do you mean right clicking a file?
[03:18:18] <stpere> the filetype preflet can be called by two different means, by the deskbar menu, where the 'complete' app is called
[03:18:27] <jessicah> the drag behaviour happens in both
[03:18:37] <stpere> then it's also called by right-clicking the file, add-on, filetypes
[03:18:45] <jessicah> yeah i found
[03:18:53] <stpere> when you right click, and use the add-on, fHasRefs should be true
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[03:19:01] <stpere> in the other case, fHasType will
[03:19:44] <stpere> basically, that check in AcceptDrags check if you are trying to 'cycle' the assignement, assigning your own icon to yourself
[03:20:50] <stpere> it seems that something happen in the way the DragMessage is dropped that makes the view undraggable again
[03:21:04] <stpere> in MessageReceived, that's where the dropping occurs
[03:22:04] <stpere> but it's a bit odd.  You have to recall it's the receiving end that get the MessageReceived.  when you are the sending end, hmm.. now I'm confused :P
[03:22:22] <jessicah> yeah, but i think what happens is if you drop it on an invalid target, it's not getting cleaned up properly
[03:22:33] <stpere> quite probable
[03:22:49] <stpere> hmm.. you are on something here
[03:23:01] <stpere> but fHasRef should remain
[03:23:07] <stpere> but something along that line
[03:23:50] <Lily> did the file i linked get detected right on your systems?
[03:23:56] <stpere> except, AcceptDrags would be called much later in the D&D process.  It's actually called by the potential receiving view to tell the sender if you will accept or not
[03:24:09] <stpere> kindof
[03:24:23] <jessicah> AcceptDrags is called in other places in IconView too
[03:24:28] <jessicah> like MessageReceived
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[03:25:32] <stpere> yeah, it's an overriden method, existing and expected to exist in the API
[03:26:18] <stpere> basically, it takes a message, and look what it contains (the message is created when you start dragging), and returns true if you can drop it on you, or false otherwise
[03:26:43] <stpere> it's a bit confusing I know :)
[03:27:10] <stpere> but basically, AcceptDrags wouldn't be called by the IconView I was dragging from
[03:27:23] <stpere> but would rather be called when I want to drop something on it
[03:27:46] <stpere> Lily, no, detects as text/plain, as in your case
[03:28:04] <Lily> hmm
[03:30:25] <stpere> I wonder if a ticket is open..
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[03:32:18] <jessicah> hmm, stpere, yeah, i think i was looking in wrong place
[03:32:32] <Lily> I should try and older nightly
[03:32:38] <Lily> see if the bug still exists
[03:32:44] <stpere> that whole drag and drop thing is really low level
[03:32:57] <stpere> offers some flexibility, but ..
[03:34:55] <stpere> if you find some hints jessicah, don't hesitate to tell me :) I'll get some sleep myself
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[03:36:30] <jessicah> oh weird
[03:36:39] <jessicah> if i focus another part of UI, then i can drag again
[03:40:17] <stpere> hmm, weird indeed
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[03:41:07] <stpere> by focusing elsewhere, that basically calls MessageReceived again, but without a dragMessage that time.. and it also calls again the Draw()
[03:41:33] <stpere> hmm, it's really clear something doesn't get cleared completely after the failed D&D
[03:49:46] <munchaus1n> How do I get haikuporter to look at my local tree?
[03:50:09] <munchaus1n> Is it supposed to be in some specific place?
[03:50:23] <augiedoggie> there is a conf file where you can specify its location
[03:51:26] <munchaus1n> ah ok. Where should I look for that?
[03:51:38] <augiedoggie> http://ports.haiku-files.org/wiki/HaikuPorter#HaikuPorter
[03:51:51] <munchaus1n> (sorry, I know nothing about where haiku keeps condig files yet)
[03:51:54] <munchaus1n> thanks
[03:52:29] <munchaus1n> ah, ok, same place as *nix
[03:52:50] <augiedoggie> it will probably be moved in time
[03:53:01] <augiedoggie> that's not the standard place
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[03:58:46] <munchaus1n> I followed the example .bep here: http://ports.haiku-files.org/browser/haikuports/trunk/media-libs/libsdl/libsdl-1.2.12.bep
[03:59:06] <munchaus1n> but I get
[03:59:29] <munchaus1n> Error: Illegal syntax in /boot/home/project/haikuports/trunk/dev-libs/libelf/libelf-0.8.13.bep at line 9:
[03:59:32] <munchaus1n> cd libelf-0.8.13
[04:00:14] <munchaus1n> any idea why?
[04:00:27] <augiedoggie> I'd have to see the whole file
[04:00:41] <munchaus1n> k 1 sec
[04:02:59] <munchaus1n> http://pastebin.com/iMWxpmY7
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[04:06:30] <augiedoggie> you're using spaces instead of tabs
[04:07:34] <munchaus1n> aha
[04:07:35] <munchaus1n> weird
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[04:07:51] <munchaus1n> I tried swapping those and seemed to still not work
[04:08:00] <munchaus1n> thanks
[04:08:46] <munchaus1n> If I've tested it is it ok to mark it so or does someone else need to check it?
[04:09:30] <munchaus1n> (seems to work just great)
[04:09:40] <augiedoggie> you've tried it with gcc2?
[04:09:57] <augiedoggie> it fails to build for be btw
[04:10:05] <augiedoggie> s/be/me/
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[04:10:48] <munchaus1n> You need the patch
[04:11:10] <augiedoggie> eh, the point where it failed shouldn't need a patch
[04:11:51] <munchaus1n> http://pastebin.com/bDiqKtBw
[04:11:54] <munchaus1n> Where did it fail?
[04:12:19] <augiedoggie> yeah, you shouldn't patch config.guess
[04:12:29] <munchaus1n> It has non autogenerated aclocal.m4, config.guess and config.sub, AFAICT
[04:13:01] <augiedoggie> I'd be very surprised if they were using a custom config.guess and config.sub
[04:13:19] <augiedoggie> run libtoolize -fci to fix it
[04:14:10] <munchaus1n> where to pacthdidnt know about that
[04:14:14] <munchaus1n> sorry
[04:14:17] <munchaus1n> didnt know about that
[04:16:23] <munchaus1n> looks like it only needs patch to aclocal.m4
[04:16:58] <augiedoggie> eh, I didn't scrutinize the patch, but it builds fine without it for me
[04:17:23] <munchaus1n> It wont build a .so
[04:17:26] <munchaus1n> only a .a
[04:17:39] <munchaus1n> You need the patch for that
[04:18:55] <munchaus1n> see configure output
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[04:21:24] <augiedoggie> uh, yeah, it says yes to shared libs
[04:21:52] <augiedoggie> ah, then a warning that it decided not to
[04:22:44] <munchaus1n> yes
[04:23:18] <jessicah> hmm, do i have to explicitly link against libstdc++ or smth?
[04:23:25] <jessicah> i get linker errors when using std::cout
[04:23:30] <augiedoggie> yes
[04:23:54] <jessicah> intriguing
[04:24:04] <augiedoggie> and to make it more fun, the library name changes depending on which version of gcc :P
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[04:27:17] <munchaus1n> Builds fine with gcc2
[04:27:25] <munchaus1n> So the patch to aclocal is OK?
[04:27:56] <augiedoggie> sure
[04:28:27] <augiedoggie> you made sure it packages properly? with haikuporter -d
[04:28:39] <ity> Does anyone know where I can get the 3DMOV demo app from? Looks awesome!
[04:29:53] <jessicah> augiedoggie: i just used the macro in the jamfile (figured one might exist, which it does)
[04:29:54] <CIA-58> haiku.master: jprostko * hrev44571 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=f49d27c : Allow Puri to be added to GCC2 hybrid builds
[04:30:53] <SMCollins> I can tell you how to build it if you downloaded the repo, but its kind of borken and buggy
[04:32:15] <ity> I can try the weekend, email me the instructions?
[04:32:38] <SMCollins> let me see if I have a binary hang on
[04:32:45] <ity> thanks
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[04:33:55] <rootbaron> Heh, I'll never understand.  Haiku will run fine on a machine with a Pentium III processor and 128MB of RAM, but is slow as hell in VirtualBox.
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[04:34:10] <SMCollins> we shall see if it builds and runs, I have a corrupted btree issue that I need to adress but it seems to be building thus far
[04:34:24] <ity> awesome
[04:34:36] <SMCollins> this is built for gcc2 hybrid
[04:36:49] <munchaus1n> yepaugiedoggie - it doesn't package properly. Not sure what I'm meant to do to make it do so. "Error: No installed files detected in packaging directory. Check bep file for correctness"
[04:37:13] <munchaus1n> I'm supposed to do something at install stage to make this work? Or something in .bep?
[04:37:25] <augiedoggie> just a sec...looking
[04:38:30] <augiedoggie> that's an odd one, no support for DESTDIR at all
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[04:39:28] <SMCollins> no luck ity, sorry
[04:39:50] <munchaus1n> I think I'll have to look that up tomorrow... it's 3.40am here...
[04:39:51] <augiedoggie> munchaus1n: try "make install instroot=$DESTDIR"
[04:39:56] <ity> damn. Thanks for taking the time and trying
[04:40:09] <munchaus1n> ok I'll give it a shot
[04:41:17] <munchaus1n> I was playing with this option earlier though... and it will mess up the normal install I think. Unless done in addition to normal make install perhaps?
[04:41:31] <munchaus1n> or maybe not depending if destdir is normally just /
[04:42:12] <jessicah> oh stpere disconnected
[04:42:18] <munchaus1n> aha seems to work
[04:42:18] <jessicah> guess i can try memoserv
[04:44:00] <jessicah> if stpere owns a ticket, my changes to ticket will get emailed to him?
[04:44:13] <augiedoggie> yes
[04:44:25] <augiedoggie> most of the devs are on the ticket mailing list anyhow
[04:44:27] <jessicah> cool, then he'll know i've patched his drag issue
[04:44:37] <jessicah> there's a ticket mailing list?
[04:44:50] <augiedoggie> yes
[04:46:08] <augiedoggie> http://www.freelists.org/archive/haiku-bugs
[04:48:16] <munchaus1n> K it all works now
[04:48:22] <jessicah> neat
[04:48:30] <munchaus1n> I dont seem to be able to get an account on haiku ports though
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[04:48:41] <munchaus1n> maybe its webpositive
[04:48:44] <augiedoggie> munchaus1n: you can if you ask nicely :P
[04:49:03] <munchaus1n> Aha :)
[04:53:05] * SMCollins laughs as google sues apple for patent infringement
[04:53:19] <Disreali> mmm...  bacon and beer. the perfect meal
[04:53:32] <Disreali> SMCollins: what??
[04:53:38] <augiedoggie> bacon flavored beer? :P
[04:53:49] <SMCollins> give me a sec disreali
[04:54:20] <SMCollins> http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2012/08/19/man-bites-dog-google-sues-apple-for-patent-infringement/
[04:54:28] <Disreali> augiedoggie: nope.  Maple smoke bacon from Canada and Genesse Cream Ale
[04:54:31] <SMCollins> motorola goes to bat, with big poppa google behind it
[04:54:59] <ity> Lawyers, can't live with them - can't live with them.
[04:55:23] <Disreali> hehe
[04:56:06] <SMCollins> I geuss when you keep poking the quiet kid in the eye, eventually he punchs you in the face, apparently in the filling, they want to ban the sale of almost every apple product.
[04:56:20] <Disreali> LOL
[04:57:13] <SMCollins> now, if they could just find a way to get the other evil empire
[04:57:23] <SMCollins> Mitt Romneys crappy hair
[04:57:36] <ity> Battle of the cash reserves. So that'll be Apple winning that one then.
[04:58:32] <SMCollins> ity: Google has huge cash reserves
[04:58:50] <SMCollins> they were burying money, when apple was trying to figure out how to make a OS
[04:59:31] <Disreali> XCV"XCV"?
[04:59:40] <Disreali> ow
[05:00:22] <ity> ….talking of Romney hair - http://romneygirl.org
[05:00:24] <SMCollins> well google was banking billiosn, when apple borrowed 150m from their evil neighbor company
[05:01:07] <ity> I remember that! 1996? ish
[05:01:13] <SMCollins> anyways, noticed its kind of quiet lately with gsoc getting ready to wrap up !, any interesting new developments ?
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[05:06:32] <Skipp_OSX> 1997
[05:08:30] <ity> seems like yesterday….
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[05:09:20] <ity> re cash. it's about two to one. 50 billion vs 110 billion.
[05:11:06] <SMCollins> google has lots of money, its just spread around.
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[05:15:05] <ity> Tim Cook was raised 15 miles east of where I'm sitting right now (geek trivia - LOL).
[05:15:45] <SMCollins> Tim Cook ?
[05:15:58] <dreamed> apple's ceo
[05:17:40] <SMCollins> ah
[05:18:53] <AlienSoldier> i guess he died from a brain tumor and jobs took his body to continue to live
[05:19:10] <dreamed> ...
[05:19:12] <dreamed> what?
[05:19:27] <dreamed> if that were the case you'd see Tim Cook get .. I dunno
[05:19:28] <dreamed> angry
[05:19:30] <dreamed> once in a while
[05:19:36] <dreamed> or maybe even just raise his voice
[05:19:51] <ity> and Jonathan Ive was born 120miles South East of where I was born.
[05:20:08] <AlienSoldier> i guess testosteron level is not as high in this new body
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[05:22:27] <jessicah> lol
[05:23:00] <ity> yeah, the silent but deadly type of profile, so I hear… (Tim Cook).
[05:23:29] <ity> maybe he should be Tim Cool?
[05:23:41] <SMCollins> Jobs was a hothead manager, Tim Cook is a enforcer, enforcers are generally better long term for a companys health
[05:25:45] <jessicah> i used to love running around unreal tournament at hyper speed with double enforcers
[05:26:39] <ity> I bet Tim is a bit of an enforcer when he's wearing lederhosen
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[05:28:19] <ity> (I apologize, that was uncalled for)
[05:29:05] <SMCollins> lederhosen, being of german descent, I don't find that offensive at all, every culture has somewhat rediculous looking traditional attire
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[05:34:12] <ity> I was not suggesting that lederhosen was offensive, not at all. The implication of Tim wearing them may be ((He's gay)). I still apologise for the implication that the visualization in combination with the juxtaposition with the word "enforcer". Christ! I'm digging a hole here...
[05:34:53] <jessicah> lol
[05:35:03] <ity> please…someone LOL me out of this one...
[05:35:55] <SMCollins> lol, you dug yourself in
[05:36:00] <SMCollins> and its funy
[05:36:22] <SMCollins> becuase my cousins oldest son is gay, and he like to wear lederhosen
[05:36:42] <jessicah> hahaha
[05:36:48] <ity> lol
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[05:38:50] <SMCollins> and he is this like german swedish looking round faced "could almost be polish " 24 year old kid, its funny as hell
[05:40:11] <ity> Hahaha (I reserve the right for potentially inappropriate laughter)
[05:40:43] <dreamed> yeah, that's way less creepy :P
[05:42:05] <rootbaron> Something about the word "lederhosen" just sounds so magical.
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[05:44:30] <ity> jessicah - thanks for the LOL, nice timing.
[05:45:14] <jessicah> :p
[05:46:06] <SMCollins> I am sure to be entertained for labor day this year
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[05:51:36] <ity> what happens on Labor day? (my level of US political and historical ignorance is finally revealed - dammit!)
[05:51:47] <SMCollins> I take a 5 day vacation
[05:51:52] <SMCollins> first one in  2years
[05:52:06] <ity> LOL - OK, that's cool
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[05:53:16] <ity> my first vacation in 4 years happens on Friday. I feel your joy!
[05:53:48] <SMCollins> yeah, and this year we go in my new to me 2003 540i wagon I got for the wifey , shes exstatics !
[05:54:25] <ity> I would be too, I like 540's, Nice!
[05:54:45] <jessicah> ah, vacation, i have none of
[05:54:56] <SMCollins> its sweet, super nice, looks like a new car inside and out, drives like a new car, previous owner really took great care  of it
[05:54:58] <jessicah> no annual leave at all left :(
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[05:56:25] <ity> :)
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[05:56:38] <ity> oops, I mean :(
[05:57:18] <ity> (I don't have a backlit kb)
[06:03:15] <ity> I am third on the list at acronym geek. What an ego boost, that just made my evening!!!!
[06:09:37] <SMCollins> off to bed ttyl, have a good night
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[06:22:55] <CIA-58> haiku.r1alpha4: nielx * hrev44572 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=3eb50d9 : Update translations from Pootle
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[06:30:03] <ity> goodnight, sleep well
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[06:35:22] <RyChannel> hello folks
[06:41:56] <dreamed> 'lo
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[07:06:01] <jessicah> hihi
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[09:15:04] <Sikosis> anyone tried to do "cron"-like tasks on haiku ? just curious what you did ...
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[10:16:54] <munchaus1n> Morning
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[10:19:48] <jessicah> morning :)
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[10:23:28] <johnny_b> morning
[10:23:45] <fhein> hi
[10:28:12] <jessicah> what's up guys?
[10:28:39] <johnny_b> well
[10:29:26] <johnny_b> i'm wondering why have haiku apps so crappy user interfaces
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[10:31:10] <johnny_b> no user interface guidelines
[10:34:32] <jessicah> there are interface guidelines
[10:35:03] <jessicah> it's just that it's based on an OS from almost 15 years ago
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[10:37:40] <johnny_b> jessicah: where can i find it?
[10:38:14] <munchaus1n> c
[10:38:14] <jessicah> http://api.haiku-os.org/HIG/
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[10:39:48] <munchaus1n> johnny_b - many haiku apps have very nice user interfaces
[10:39:59] <munchaus1n> Not that I'm challenging that there are some that dont I suppose
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[10:43:29] <johnny_b> ok, more precisely: there no unified UI in apps, not the same user experience
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[12:00:49] <me-1> hi...
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[12:03:49] <me-1> what license haiku uses
[12:03:53] <jessicah> mit
[12:04:53] <johnny_b> me-1: http://www.haiku-os.org/about/faq
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[12:06:16] <me-1> i just wanted to know if haiku could be forked
[12:06:27] <johnny_b> :DDD
[12:06:50] <johnny_b> why do you want to make a fork?
[12:07:12] <me-1> yes along with bunch of mates
[12:07:42] <munchaus1n> why though?
[12:07:57] <munchaus1n> why not contribute to haiku?
[12:08:31] <me-1> well contributions will definatly go to haiku as well
[12:10:16] <johnny_b> but why do you want to make a fork? :)
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[12:11:30] <me-1> I wonder why there is alread no fork
[12:11:40] <munchaus1n> Yeah, I don't really follow. You could make a 'distribution' of haiku along with other software like senryu. Though personally I always thought changing the name and stuff for that was a bit weird
[12:11:42] <johnny_b> why should be?
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[12:12:52] <me-1> to add some own taste
[12:12:52] <johnny_b> me-1: if you can't put some extra punch behind your fork then better forget it
[12:13:12] <johnny_b> like?
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[12:14:06] <munchaus1n> because then you end up with different incompatible code bases, duplication of effort, incompatibility with software for the 2 versions, and a mess like all the different versions of linux that do things in such different ways.
[12:14:20] <me-1> improved package management , some theme level changes , more unix like bash support etc
[12:14:27] <rootbaron> I subscribe to the religious belief that forks of small software projects can be a bad thing.
[12:14:55] <rootbaron> If you think something can be improved, why not contribute to the project?  No reson to fork it. :/
[12:15:05] <johnny_b> me-1: package management is on the way, you can contribute
[12:15:10] <munchaus1n> Forks are normally made because of a difference in opinion or aims of the project. Why not just take haiku and add your own theme?
[12:15:24] <johnny_b> and there's no real need to make Haiku more 'unixish'
[12:15:25] <munchaus1n> yeah package management is coming
[12:15:37] <munchaus1n> And there is bash support already
[12:15:45] <rootbaron> Two new contracts for package management were recently announced, unless I'm mistaken.
[12:15:57] <johnny_b> you can use your own favourite shell
[12:16:06] <munchaus1n> It comes with bash
[12:16:10] <me-1> I will really like to work for it
[12:16:47] <johnny_b> me-1: you showed no single reason to make fork
[12:17:31] <me-1> final release to nowhere close so we would like to have trimmed version for our own use (if license allows)
[12:17:49] <johnny_b> m(
[12:18:17] <johnny_b> rename haiku to release 1 and you got it
[12:18:22] <me-1> meanwhile contributing in main project as well
[12:18:40] <munchaus1n> have a look here: me-1 - have a look at a few of the pages here http://www.google.com/search?q=senryu%20haiku%20os
[12:18:41] <me-1> but i think whole BeOS idea is fading away
[12:19:08] <johnny_b> like the OS/2 and Amiga, right
[12:19:12] <johnny_b> ?
[12:19:26] <munchaus1n> I'd say the opposite... haiku is attracting more users all the time
[12:19:39] <me-1> shift from desktop to tablets smart phones
[12:19:53] <johnny_b> lol
[12:20:01] <rootbaron> Oh dear, not this again. :p
[12:20:28] <rootbaron> Haiku is meant to be a desktop OS.  It doesn't target mobile devices beyond laptops.
[12:20:48] <munchaus1n> forking hell. ok I give in, make a 'fork'
[12:20:52] <rootbaron> If you want something for your tablet or phone, there's already Android and a number of other OSs.
[12:21:19] <me-1> I am not for that notion , I agree desktops are here to stay
[12:21:30] <johnny_b> munchaus1n: rename it to "Ohka' and find a suitable CMS for the fork :p
[12:22:37] <rootbaron> PHP-Nuke? :p
[12:22:42] <johnny_b> nooo
[12:22:45] <johnny_b> Drupal :p
[12:23:38] <me-1> anyways , thaousands of forks actully benefited Linux project
[12:23:44] <johnny_b> me-1: if you and your mates are so talented you could give a real speedup to the project
[12:23:47] <johnny_b> s
[12:23:52] <johnny_b> me-1: what?
[12:24:09] <rootbaron> I think you're confusing distributions with forks.
[12:24:10] <johnny_b> show me a single linux kernel fork
[12:24:17] <munchaus1n> yeah, linux hasn't been forked
[12:24:33] <rootbaron> You don't see distros forking Linux.  They use the Linux kernel and have their own software selection (the
[12:24:43] <johnny_b> me-1: they reinvented the wheel many times
[12:24:44] <rootbaron> desktop, mainly).
[12:24:49] <johnny_b> congrats to them
[12:24:50] <me-1> OS is kernel+userland
[12:25:01] <rootbaron> Linux is only the kernel.
[12:25:02] <johnny_b> kernel is linux
[12:25:15] <me-1> ok gnu/linux
[12:25:52] <munchaus1n> they still didn't fork anything. Just grabbed gnu, linux, a bunch of other software, and made their own icon sets and configuration utilities
[12:26:03] <johnny_b> and wallpapers!!!
[12:26:12] <munchaus1n> yep, and wallpapers
[12:26:13] <munchaus1n> ;)
[12:26:40] <johnny_b> :)
[12:27:04] <me-1> it is not that simple , and btw this kind of fork we are try to do with haiku :)
[12:27:20] <munchaus1n> That is a distribution then, not a fork
[12:27:49] <johnny_b> it's nonsense (at least for me)
[12:28:07] <me-1> good for killing time
[12:28:10] <rootbaron> Well, what exactly would this fork/distro include?
[12:28:22] <munchaus1n> See senryu I linked to earlier. It died.
[12:28:28] <rootbaron> And anyone remember that GNU/Haiku distro? :p
[12:28:46] <munchaus1n> And it was annoying seeing them slap the senryu label on haiku when you know they didn't put anywork into haik, just re-badged it
[12:29:05] <munchaus1n> rootbaron - at least one is still going
[12:29:08] <johnny_b> rootbaron: pingwinek? :)
[12:29:15] * dreamed is sort of boggled by people wanting to repackage haiku
[12:29:19] <dreamed> haiku isn't even in beta yet
[12:29:25] <mrsun> soso, get coding!
[12:29:26] <dreamed> why not just help with that?
[12:29:35] <rootbaron> johnny_b: That's the one!
[12:29:48] <johnny_b> :p
[12:30:08] <munchaus1n> zevenOS - http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=zevenos
[12:30:17] <johnny_b> not again ...
[12:30:24] <mrsun> btw, is the x64 port getting anywhere still ? :)
[12:31:02] <rootbaron> I think there was a report on the frontpage a while back.  It's going places.
[12:31:07] <me-1> anways guys we will jump into it no matter what the consequnces
[12:31:14] <munchaus1n> mrsun - looking at the last commit for it made ~2ish days ago, it looks as though it might be self hosting by now
[12:31:22] <mrsun> munchaus1n, niiiice =)
[12:31:34] <mrsun> haiku shouldnt be anything but 64bit in the future imo :P
[12:31:39] <me-1> and thank you for the discouragement
[12:31:41] <rootbaron> me-1: Regardless, best of luck and wear a hard hat.
[12:32:03] <rootbaron> me-1: ARM?  And hey, I still want the 68k port.
[12:32:16] <mrsun> gah raining and i still got 1 hour to go in the car with an open window .... sigh :/
[12:32:38] <rootbaron> mrsun: Don't IRC and drive.
[12:32:45] <mrsun> rootbaron, im home on a break now
[12:32:51] <munchaus1n> me-1 - if you contribute something back then best of luck. But you should be able to see it seems like a bad idea from haikus point of view
[12:32:51] <mrsun> brake ?
[12:32:52] <johnny_b> rootbaron: 68k port? for macs?
[12:33:00] <mrsun> haiku for rpi!
[12:33:11] <me-1> ARM will be great and we will contribute if thre is a port project
[12:33:21] <johnny_b> mrsun: kallisti5 is working on it
[12:33:31] <rootbaron> johnny_b: Nah, maybe an Amiga 1200. :p
[12:33:33] <mrsun> yeah i know =)
[12:33:41] <mrsun> he should be working on the gallium stuff tho :P
[12:33:45] <me-1> munchaus1n,  how is it a bad idea..?
[12:34:07] <munchaus1n> me-1 ^^ see last 30mins of irc log
[12:34:21] <johnny_b> me-1: forking/reinventing the wheel is senseless in the most cases
[12:34:29] <munchaus1n> thats what we were trying to explain
[12:34:36] <johnny_b> yep :)
[12:34:51] <mrsun> me-1 here to fork haiku ?
[12:35:07] <me-1> what about repackaging
[12:35:55] <rootbaron> You can repackage Haiku.  License allows that.  But I don't think you can use the "Haiku" words and logo.
[12:35:57] <mrsun> insted of forking, contribute to the actual code imo :/
[12:36:34] <dreamed> ^
[12:36:35] <me-1> mrsun,  we will dafinatly contribte back
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[12:36:55] <johnny_b> me-1: :)
[12:37:23] <rootbaron> Turns out me-1 is the new owner of the yellowTAB name...
[12:37:33] <me-1> anways we will start project from tomorrow and show you guys end result (even failure )
[12:37:34] <mrsun> yeah thats great and dandy .. but insted of putting 5 people on making your own stuff, contribute to haiku as it is insted, its not a stable OS yet ... 5 more working hands on making it stable wouldnt be to bad =)
[12:38:00] <dreamed> what's the motivation to fork it?
[12:38:05] <dreamed> rather than contribute to it?
[12:38:47] <me-1> trimm it to our needs
[12:38:57] <dreamed> which are.. what?
[12:39:01] <dreamed> also trim what?
[12:39:04] <rootbaron> So I think you do mean distro and not fork.
[12:39:08] <me-1> I have already mentioned
[12:39:08] <dreamed> haiku doesn't have all that much to it
[12:39:25] <munchaus1n> me-1 - good luck - have fun with it!
[12:39:36] <me-1> thank you
[12:39:43] <me-1> TC guyz
[12:39:50] <rootbaron> Aye, it's already pretty trimmed.  And the nightlies and compiled builds lack most software anyway.
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[12:40:03] <rootbaron> But either way, good luck, and wear a hard hat.
[12:40:10] <johnny_b> eh
[12:40:21] <munchaus1n> hmmm
[12:40:26] <mrsun> no buildbot for the x64 port ? :)
[12:40:27] <dreamed> he wants to make it *more* like linux?
[12:40:29] * dreamed winces
[12:40:29] <johnny_b> distromeister in da house :)
[12:40:43] <johnny_b> dreamed: probably
[12:41:10] <rootbaron> The most "Linuxy" I want Haiku is ZSH instead of Bash.
[12:41:16] <munchaus1n> mrsun - I dont know that x64 is self hosting. But the commit is "Fixes for building Haiku x86_64 from itself."
[12:41:52] <dreamed> zsh?
[12:41:58] <munchaus1n> He has been working on userland
[12:42:00] <dreamed> how come?
[12:42:16] <munchaus1n> rootbaron - there is zsh isn't there? optional package I think?
[12:42:31] <munchaus1n> dreamed - maybe he comes from BSD land?
[12:42:45] <rootbaron> munchaus1n: Is there?  Saves me the effort of compiling it.
[12:42:56] * dreamed has only used bash and ksh
[12:43:05] <dreamed> and I loathe ksh
[12:43:06] <dreamed> heh
[12:43:09] <dreamed> stupid aix
[12:43:28] <rootbaron> I know.  me-1 is trying to port CDE to Haiku.  So that's what he meant.
[12:43:35] <dreamed> wtf
[12:43:38] <johnny_b> :DDD
[12:43:46] <dreamed> isn't the whole point of haiku the bloody interface?
[12:43:52] <dreamed> cde is awful on _everything_
[12:44:12] <dreamed> I don't think any of the big unixes use it as the default anymore
[12:44:14] <mrsun> haikus ui is realy nice
[12:44:20] <mrsun> compared to alot of others ....
[12:44:31] <munchaus1n> a lot of bsd users I know use zsh
[12:44:35] <rootbaron> dreamed: I think that's mostly because it's 1) Closed source (until now) and 2) Last release was over a decade ago.
[12:44:50] <dreamed> of aix?
[12:44:50] <rootbaron> Not counting the open-sourced alpha which doesn't work properly yet.
[12:45:04] <dreamed> or cde?
[12:45:07] <rootbaron> CDE.
[12:45:11] <dreamed> ah
[12:45:27] <dreamed> updating cde to be as useful as current stuff seems .. pointless
[12:45:27] <munchaus1n> a friend built cde on openbsd when it was released... the number of warnings in the build log is pretty funny. Or scary, depending on how you look at it
[12:46:01] <rootbaron> I think they said their goal is to have it build, and warnings be damned.
[12:46:12] <dreamed> seems like a waste but eh
[12:46:30] <rootbaron> Eh, depends.  Some people seem to like it, at least to play around.
[12:46:34] <rootbaron> I prefer dwm, though.
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[12:47:54] <rootbaron> ... I don't even think you can run another environment on Haiku.
[12:48:32] <dreamed> I think trying to divorce haiku from it's desktop environment is a bad idea
[12:48:43] <johnny_b> yep
[12:48:49] <rootbaron> Yeah, that's kind of it's main thing.
[12:48:51] <johnny_b> it's senseless
[12:48:54] <rootbaron> Being a desktop OS and all.
[12:48:58] <dreamed> mmhmm
[12:49:34] <dreamed> linux is a great example of what happens when you have a client/server desktop/executive system that allows multiple front ends
[12:49:39] <dreamed> it's inconsistent and crappy
[12:50:30] <rootbaron> That's one thing Haiku has going for it.  A single interface keeps things uniformed.
[12:50:37] <rootbaron> Only problem with this is Qt.
[12:51:04] <johnny_b> haiku should stick with its own API
[12:51:48] <johnny_b> porting Qt apps is short term gain, long term loss
[12:51:58] <jessicah> agree
[12:52:07] <rootbaron> Allows some great apps, but does break the uniformity.
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[12:52:24] <johnny_b> true
[12:52:32] <rootbaron> Java I'll excuse because's it's some kind of a bastard child anyway. :)
[12:53:28] <dreamed> I agree re: qt
[12:53:56] <dreamed> Java looks and works badly on nearly every app I need to use that's built with it
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[12:54:11] <dreamed> particularly "enterprise" apps
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[12:54:28] <dreamed> if anyone ever tries to tell you that consumer-grade is a bad thing in software
[12:54:36] <dreamed> they have never ever used enterprise-grade
[12:54:53] <jessicah> ugh
[12:54:55] <dreamed> you get really awful software with slow upgrade paths and poor support, because people are locked in
[12:54:59] <jessicah> enterprise grade
[12:55:02] <dreamed> consumer grade has to compete
[12:55:41] <rootbaron> Wasn't there someone who wanted to run Haiku on business machines?
[12:55:41] <jessicah> symantec endpoint protection 12's management console is a fantastic example of the suckiness of enterprise java
[12:55:55] <rootbaron> I think it was thatguy...
[12:55:56] <dreamed> symantec *anything*
[12:56:01] <jezek2> yeah toolkits like qt or java/swing is bad for portability (unless you do totally custom GUI for your app, then it can make sense, like in blender case)
[12:56:17] <dreamed> rootbaron: that sounds familiar
[12:56:37] <jessicah> thatguy?
[12:56:39] <jezek2> I like crossplatform apps, but the GUI library should merely wrap the native widgets instead of emulating them
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[12:56:53] <jezek2> and it should do proper 'port' for each OS
[12:56:58] <jezek2> and support
[12:57:01] <jezek2> sadly not much SW is like that
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[12:57:17] <rootbaron> Think is, takes time for that.  I can allow Qt as a neccessary evil, but still don't like it.
[12:57:20] <rootbaron> Thing.*
[12:57:49] <rootbaron> Unfortunately a lot of nice apps are in Qt, and some other ones use Java.
[12:59:07] <jessicah> doesn't wxwidgets do that?
[12:59:15] <jessicah> or whatever form it has now
[12:59:19] <jezek2> wxwidgets is weird in some things too
[12:59:34] <jezek2> but is closest to reasonable crossplatform GUI lib
[12:59:38] <munchaus1n> It does at least try to do that though
[12:59:43] <jezek2> yeah
[12:59:49] <jessicah> thatguy reminds me of NZ's "that guy" :)
[12:59:51] <munchaus1n> There are a few others like that I think too
[12:59:54] <jessicah> e.g. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2kO39vxGHc
[13:00:02] <jezek2> in java world, you can use SWT, but it's quite awful API imho
[13:00:24] <jezek2> years back there was even wxwidgets binding for java, that would be best imho
[13:00:28] <jezek2> but wasn't further developed
[13:00:29] <munchaus1n> Also some attempts were made at some points to make wrappers for stuff like gtk so they look native. Didn't really work though
[13:00:53] <jezek2> no emulating widgets don't work well
[13:01:07] <jezek2> even when qt does quite good job (as opposed to java/swing which is worse)
[13:01:09] <jezek2> it's still awful
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[13:01:22] <jezek2> even when the widgets are ok, the spacing is weird, the behaviour of widgets is weird
[13:01:27] <jessicah> crud, moth. cats going crazy
[13:01:35] <johnny_b> doing real ports is hard job
[13:01:37] <jezek2> so haiku (as currently has just one theme) looks okish in qt
[13:01:47] <jezek2> but still you can easily determine it's qt app
[13:01:49] <johnny_b> that's why people are doing lazy ports :)
[13:01:50] <jezek2> similar on mac
[13:02:11] <johnny_b> geez
[13:02:16] <jezek2> yeah
[13:02:20] <jezek2> lazy ports sucks
[13:02:26] <munchaus1n> port of the issue is that you might have to fork the software too... which would suck
[13:02:37] <rootbaron> Yeah, the style is somewhat different, and thos hideous Qt icons...
[13:02:40] <johnny_b> if you use native API you can find easily its weaknesses, bugs and fix it
[13:02:57] <munchaus1n> s/port/part
[13:02:59] <dreamed> we have an nz that guy?
[13:03:05] <johnny_b> if nobody touches it then it'll become obsolete/dead very quickly
[13:03:06] <jezek2> for crossplatform apps wxwidgets or something else that wraps native widgets is best approach
[13:03:11] <jessicah> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSlF9FPgM0s
[13:03:15] <jessicah> that guy is awesome :D
[13:03:23] <jezek2> making extra code for each OS is totally wasteful when it's 90+% the same
[13:03:49] <jezek2> also in many apps GUI code is pretty much majority of the code (or very big part)
[13:04:02] <jezek2> so just rewrite the GUI part is practically meaning starting from scratch :)
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[13:04:15] <johnny_b> that's the real port :)
[13:04:30] <jezek2> I was specifically looking at GIMP (inspired by similar thing as Seashore on mac)
[13:04:38] <jezek2> and it's full of gtk
[13:04:39] <jezek2> :)
[13:04:50] <rootbaron> Well, it uses GTK for it's interface...
[13:04:55] <jezek2> though the Seashore approach is also real port
[13:05:02] <jezek2> they just use GIMP libraries
[13:05:08] <jezek2> otherwise it's all native mac app
[13:05:11] <munchaus1n> yeah.. problem is gtk and qt dont just do GUI stuff
[13:05:11] <rootbaron> Man, I hate GTK.
[13:05:15] <dreamed> heh
[13:05:21] <dreamed> (@ video)
[13:05:27] <jezek2> both gtk and qt are splitted into parts
[13:05:30] <dreamed> although heh @ I hate GTK works too
[13:05:32] <jezek2> without their GUI
[13:05:50] <jezek2> so quite possible to use just some core as a lib without any GUI deps
[13:06:35] <jessicah> such a teeny moth, but my lil hunters are going crazy
[13:06:40] <dreamed> hah
[13:07:00] * jessicah goes to catch
[13:07:06] <jessicah> before they tear my home apart
[13:09:43] <jessicah> that's better...
[13:10:40] <jessicah> i like how vlc provides native interfaces
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[13:11:21] <jessicah> that's a better design; although larger apps, i do agree porting interfaces is a huge undertaking
[13:12:03] <jessicah> but given that R1 is still likely a couple years away, it's not like there's no time to develop big apps for haiku
[13:12:14] <jessicah> couple years being optimistic :p
[13:13:11] <dreamed> mmhmm
[13:14:25] <jezek2> jessicah: good that webkit is done as library, so native web browser is quite possible with much less resources (even then it's quite hard)
[13:14:55] <jezek2> jessicah: but imagine if there wouldn't be webkit? practically whole new web browser would be needed to be created from scratch
[13:15:09] <jezek2> or fighting with mozilla codebase
[13:18:30] <rootbaron> WebPositive has issues, but Firefox 2 would send us back to the Stone Age...
[13:18:40] <rootbaron> But it still supports Skype...
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[13:20:22] <jessicah> jezek2: i guess that's fortunate then ;-)
[13:20:24] <munchaus1n> hmm. I've been hoping for R1 some time next year
[13:20:51] <jessicah> heh. haiku still has *lots* of issues
[13:21:00] <jessicah> usb is one of them
[13:21:08] <munchaus1n> TBH, I'm pretty happy with haiku as is though. A few niggling issues, not really found much I can't live with
[13:21:32] <rootbaron> jessicah: Like the random USB port suicide issue? :p
[13:21:34] <munchaus1n> Yeah, I dont need much more than USB mass storage in those terms though
[13:21:50] <munchaus1n> Mind you, it's early days
[13:21:53] <jessicah> the usb stack, to me, seems slow & extremely buggy
[13:21:55] <munchaus1n> Ask me in a month
[13:22:01] <rootbaron> The solution is to switch to a new port until they're all dead...
[13:22:08] <jessicah> hah, yeah, i've run into that a lot
[13:22:15] <jessicah> also extremely poor mouse performance
[13:22:50] <munchaus1n> mouse performance? My USB intellimouse works fine
[13:22:58] <munchaus1n> You mean support for mice?
[13:23:01] <jessicah> i have an intellimouse too
[13:23:17] <rootbaron> Mouse has always been smooth.  Only issue is USB dying.
[13:23:23] <jessicah> i mean chews through CPU, cursor stops moving for up to a whole second at a time
[13:23:33] <jezek2> jessicah: but then creating web browser can be fun too :P some guys did this: http://code.google.com/p/flying-saucer/
[13:23:47] <jezek2> for java
[13:23:49] <jessicah> i can play video (granted it's a low power compy) as long as i dun touch the mouse
[13:23:49] <jezek2> I use it in one of my java app for creating PDFs from HTML
[13:23:55] <munchaus1n> oh really - I've not had any issues like that with my mouse
[13:24:05] <jessicah> move the mouse, and instant video dropping frames and cursor lockup
[13:24:12] <munchaus1n> Maybe something with your nightly or USB chipset?
[13:24:28] <jessicah> i've seen it in several revisions
[13:24:31] <jessicah> mebbe chipset
[13:24:49] <rootbaron> Yeah, jessicah: USB seems to die on high loads.
[13:25:10] <jessicah> ah. yeah, video playback begs cpu at 95-100%
[13:25:19] <jessicah> pegs*
[13:25:23] <rootbaron> Now that is odd, though.
[13:25:28] <rootbaron> What kind of computer is this?
[13:25:33] <jessicah> intel atom
[13:25:36] <jessicah> like i said, low power
[13:25:38] <rootbaron> Even on my Pentium III things run decently. :/
[13:25:52] <jessicah> even video?
[13:26:09] <rootbaron> Well, I don't really use video on there...  Guess I can try next time.
[13:26:17] <rootbaron> It does run slower than R5, though.
[13:26:29] <jessicah> it was just coping with 720p
[13:26:47] <munchaus1n> Ah well... atom isnt known for its ability to do video decoding
[13:27:06] <jessicah> it has a radeon hd gfx card
[13:27:31] <jessicah> eventually i'm hoping the driver will be able to do the heavy lifting
[13:27:42] <rootbaron> Ah, 720p?  Now I /know/ HD and Atom don't mix.
[13:28:05] <jessicah> it was one of the early atoms
[13:28:07] <jessicah> N270
[13:28:07] <rootbaron> I can just get by if I view 720 on mplayer in dwm.
[13:28:16] <rootbaron> And that's because I'm pretty much running nothing but X11.
[13:28:50] <rootbaron> Haiku obviously uses more resources than that...
[13:29:04] <jessicah> also, if could send the undecoded audio bitstream over hdmi, would reduce load too :)
[13:30:04] <jessicah> all my videos use dolby digital or dts
[13:30:40] <OmniMancer> rootbaron: also depends where the video decode occurs
[13:30:50] <dreamed> nn
[13:30:51] <jessicah> my atom runs win7 relatively okay
[13:30:57] <jessicah> with aero enabled too
[13:31:06] <jessicah> goodnight dreamed :)
[13:31:10] <jessicah> i should go sleep too
[13:31:29] <OmniMancer> win7 has the benefits of hardware accelerated graphis
[13:31:32] <OmniMancer> with a c
[13:31:49] <jessicah> yeah
[13:32:12] <jessicah> anyways, that's where i'd like to see R1
[13:32:26] <jessicah> hw video decoding & hdmi audio
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[13:34:02] <jessicah> night night :)
[13:34:10] <OmniMancer> probably not going to happen btw
[13:34:14] <OmniMancer> R2 might have that though
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[13:35:01] <jessicah> well, if i can find some actually useful specs, i might tinker with hdmi audio driver
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[13:36:04] <rootbaron> Anyone know Haiku can run smoothly in VirtualBox.
[13:36:11] <rootbaron> Slowest OS I've ever used in a VM. :/
[13:36:17] <rootbaron> Know if.*
[13:36:48] <arfonzo> It runs fine for me here in VBox.
[13:37:16] <arfonzo> I don't use it for multimedia tho.
[13:37:57] <rootbaron> For me, I can't even load the installer without it being slow to respond.  Very sluggish.  Granted, this is on a netbook, but even most Linux distros perform well enough.
[13:45:12] <munchaus1n> usb audio would be useful
[13:45:21] <munchaus1n> though better would be to fix hda audio I guess
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[13:46:33] <munchaus1n> I looked at oss hda audio support, and it basically has an empty function with a "Todo - put real code here" comment where it is meant to work out what hardware youve got and sort out pin assignments.
[13:47:56] <adamk> Heh, so that explains why my home computers hda never produced sound on Haiku :-)
[13:48:17] <adamk> Well, with the native driver.  Thankfully the Opensound driver worked fine.
[13:49:24] <CIA-58> yongcong-github.master: yongcong-github * 5450b1468e73b57afe7893003522fe243c08dcd2 :
[13:49:24] <CIA-58> cpuidle: remove drivers/cpuidle
[13:49:24] <CIA-58> Since generic cpuidle module is loaded by lowlevel cpuidle drivers which
[13:49:24] <CIA-58> are loaded dynamically during boot, we don't need drivers/cpuidle any
[13:49:24] <CIA-58> more
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[13:51:15] <ismd> hi all. is there a way to use emacs under haiku? all info I found in google is old
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[13:51:34] <nortti> ismd: why do you want to use emacs?
[13:51:54] <nortti> ismd: isn't PE good enough?
[13:52:02] <rootbaron> nortti: Because it's the best editor of all time, of course. ;)
[13:52:11] <ismd> nortti, i like it
[13:52:37] <rootbaron> Not aware of a current Emacs port.  I know there's an ancient one for BeOS, but... it's ancient.
[13:52:38] <ismd> also a question: is http://ports.haiku-files.org/ dead?
[13:52:50] <nortti> rootbaron: no, ed is best
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[13:53:34] <ismd> rootbaron, yea, i found only old
[13:54:03] <johnny_b> nortti: no, acme is the best :)
[13:54:31] <rootbaron> I personally prefer Vim...
[13:54:41] <johnny_b> holy cow
[13:54:47] <rootbaron> But Sublime is also nice.  Man, wish that was open source.  Then it could be brought over to Haiku...
[13:54:59] <johnny_b> Sublime is great
[13:55:49] <nortti> I'd love to have plan9 ted that would run on console
[13:55:54] <johnny_b> rootbaron: if it was open source it would be probably a bloat
[13:55:54] <rootbaron> ismd: http://ports.haiku-files.org/timeline
[13:55:57] <rootbaron> Doesn't look dead.
[13:56:35] <rootbaron> johnny_b: It's not about what's on the inside, but on the outside.
[13:56:36] <rootbaron> Wait...
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[14:22:37] <johnny_b> rootbaron: still waitin :)
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[14:26:33] <rootbaron> Give me a few weeks, and I should have a conclusive idea.
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[14:31:58] <johnny_b> :D
[14:40:56] <CIA-58> haiku.master: jscipione * hrev44573 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=91c78f0 :
[14:40:56] <CIA-58> Create and use new list view item colors
[14:40:56] <CIA-58> * B_LIST_BACKGROUND_COLOR
[14:40:56] <CIA-58> * B_LIST_SELECTED_BACKGROUND_COLOR
[14:40:56] <CIA-58> * B_LIST_ITEM_TEXT_COLOR
[14:40:57] <CIA-58> * B_LIST_SELECTED_ITEM_TEXT_COLOR
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[14:56:31] <rootbaron> Now I need to partition my drive once more...
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[16:37:00] <munchaus1n> Hello. For a port to be accepted does it have to work on both gcc4 and gcc2? I have something failing with gcc2
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[16:37:45] <johnny_b> munchaus1n: probably no
[16:38:07] <johnny_b> but you have to do a native port ;)
[16:38:22] <munchaus1n> it's a library
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[16:38:34] <munchaus1n> for dealing with dwarf debug data
[16:38:43] <munchaus1n> so... cant get much more native :)
[16:38:51] <munchaus1n> (libdwarf)
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[16:40:49] <volci> question about being a mirror for haiku - the contact form on the website seems to no longer be responded-to. To whom should a request be sent to become a mirro?
[16:41:55] <johnny_b> hmm
[16:42:55] <johnny_b> try to catch mmadia here or drop a letter in haiku mailing list
[16:43:33] <volci> thanks johnny_b
[16:44:51] <johnny_b> you're welcome
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[17:15:39] <jstressman> crap.
[17:15:47] <jstressman> Haiku apparently doesn't work with my new monitor. :(
[17:16:16] <jstressman> I tried booting my bare metal install and after the boot up icons it just goes black and stays that way.. and the screen goes into power saving mode.
[17:16:27] <jstressman> so I tried the latest nightly on a USB stick... same thing. :(
[17:16:39] <jstressman> since I thought maybe it just couldn't use the mode I had set on my bare metal install.
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[17:22:07] <OmniMancer> does forcing vesa help at all?
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[17:31:58] <jstressman> OmniMancer: I haven't tried yet.... that's just one of the safe mode options?
[17:32:09] <jstressman> is it perhaps trying to do some radeon mode because of my vid card?
[17:32:15] <jstressman> I thought it defaulted to VESA.
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[17:33:00] <jedie> as default python is not installed, isn't it?
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[17:38:08] <jedie> Ah: installoptionalpackage Python ;)
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[19:49:30] <CIA-58> mmu_man-github.sam460ex: mmu_man-github * 53efe6a185ec42eac86f188e9d745068427ccdfe :
[19:49:30] <CIA-58> Add libfdt from dtc v1.3.0
[19:49:30] <CIA-58> * U-Boot based loader code will need to manipulate the passed
[19:49:30] <CIA-58> Flattened Device Tree, no need to reinvent the wheel.
[19:49:31] <CIA-58> * libfdt itself is dual-licensed GPL/BSD, the later suiting us.
[19:49:31] <CIA-58> * This comes from <git://git.jdl.com/software/dtc.git> tag v1.3.0
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[20:30:33] <Lily> Hey, I noticed haiku doesn't have the TZ enviroment variable like linux does... I'm wondering what the haiku alternative is?
[20:32:28] <Lily> I can't seem to see it
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[20:33:21] <hamishm> Lily: there isn't a variable for it
[20:33:30] <hamishm> but there is an API in the locale kit to get it
[20:34:26] <Lily> hmm...
[20:34:29] <Lily> thanks
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[20:56:03] <Skipp_OSX> hello
[20:56:21] <johnny_b> hi
[20:56:45] <Skipp_OSX> is there an app to make app prototypes for Haiku?
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[20:58:56] <Skipp_OSX> MeTOS seems like it might work
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[21:02:41] <Lily> wow
[21:02:43] <Lily> this is very odd
[21:03:06] <Skipp_OSX> Lily, ??
[21:03:32] <Lily> I just had a kernel panic while coding on some stuff and when i booted back up it had thrown junk in where my code should be
[21:03:53] <Lily> you know like when you open up a binary file by accident in something like Pe and you just loads of random chars because it can't display it properly
[21:03:54] <Lily> that...
[21:03:56] <Lily> :P
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[21:05:14] <Skipp_OSX> Sounds like the kernel panic wrote crap to your BFS
[21:05:23] <Lily> seems like it
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[21:05:55] <DHowett>  /w 20
[21:06:00] <DHowett> .. the heck. sorry.
[21:07:12] <Lily> Skipp_OSX think it's worth me uploading the file it overwrote too when i submit the ticket?
[21:07:24] <Skipp_OSX> Lily, sure
[21:07:39] <Skipp_OSX> FS corruption is not good
[21:07:47] <Lily> yerp
[21:08:04] <Lily> i don't mind too much because i commit a lot so it's only like 30 mins of coding but yeh
[21:08:42] <Skipp_OSX> some peoples 30 minutes of coding is worth more than others... :)
[21:09:12] <Lily> true :P
[21:11:52] <dreamed> morning
[21:11:58] <Lily> hey dreamed
[21:12:17] <dreamed> how are you today?
[21:12:23] <Lily> okay thanks
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[21:12:26] <Lily> you?
[21:12:44] <DaaT> dreamed, morning? tsk tsk..  it's 20:12! :)
[21:12:55] <nortti> it is 22:12
[21:13:11] <Lily> i'm with DaaT on the time ;)
[21:13:14] <johnny_b> it's 21:12
[21:13:17] <DaaT> \o/
[21:13:19] <rootbaron> It's 15:14 and you know it.
[21:13:43] <dreamed> 07:13
[21:13:49] <nortti> johnny_b: where do you live?
[21:13:49] <mrsun> 21:13
[21:13:54] <dreamed> Lily: barely awake yet ;)
[21:14:02] <Skipp_OSX> It is 7:13pm UTC
[21:14:04] <mrsun> we got two on 21 ... so 21 it is
[21:14:10] <mrsun> ffs
[21:14:10] <Skipp_OSX> therefor evening :)
[21:14:13] <DaaT> mrsun, two on 20 as well
[21:14:13] <mrsun> two on 7 ... :/
[21:14:14] <DaaT> :)
[21:14:16] <mrsun> gah
[21:14:23] <mrsun> we need one more time!
[21:14:29] <mrsun> someone ?
[21:14:32] <mrsun> anyone ?
[21:14:34] <rootbaron> Someone else from EST, quick.
[21:14:42] <DaaT> i know for a fact vooshy and Xeon3D|Zzz are both on 20h as well
[21:14:44] <DaaT> :D
[21:14:45] <Skipp_OSX> I'm from EDT :)
[21:14:52] <mrsun> DaaT, well they arent saying it
[21:15:00] * DaaT pokes vooshy and Xeon3D|Zzz
[21:15:10] * DaaT gets the trout
[21:15:14] <Skipp_OSX> I'll be in EST in a few months
[21:15:29] <mrsun> btw, wth happened ? ... alot of people in the channel now? :)
[21:15:41] <vooshy> DaaT: i second DaaT
[21:15:41] <Skipp_OSX> ... lurkers
[21:15:49] <DaaT> people like saying their what time it is I guess
[21:16:38] <tqh> It's business time!
[21:16:47] <DaaT> not hammer time?
[21:16:49] <mrsun> tqh, whats the time at your? ;)
[21:16:54] <rootbaron> No, it's lunch time.
[21:16:58] <tqh> 21:16
[21:17:00] <rootbaron> Because I slept through lunch...
[21:17:00] <mrsun> yeey!
[21:17:03] <mrsun> one more at 21 =)
[21:17:04] <DaaT> crap
[21:17:04] <mrsun> i knew it
[21:17:10] <DaaT> :)
[21:17:13] <DaaT> dinner time
[21:17:17] <mrsun> (yeah i knew he was from sweden ;P)
[21:17:23] * DaaT gets ready to fish that salmon out of the fridge
[21:17:27] <DaaT> mrsun :P
[21:17:30] <mrsun> got very happy when i saw his nick ;)
[21:18:02] <DaaT> lucky git
[21:18:07] <DaaT> :)
[21:18:09] * mrsun gives tqh en bamsing till kram
[21:18:19] * tqh runs and hides
[21:18:31] * mrsun trips tqh
[21:18:54] <mrsun> with an iron pipe
[21:18:57] * tqh borrows the trout from DaaT
[21:18:57] <mrsun> to the side of the knee
[21:19:19] * DaaT lets tqh have the trout, is happy with his sheep instead
[21:20:00] * tqh slaps mrsun with the trout
[21:20:27] <mrsun> maww, should teach me to not stick my head close to someone with a busted knee
[21:20:58] <mrsun> atleast someone that ive busted the knee off :P
[21:21:00] <DaaT> rookie mistake
[21:21:36] <mrsun> mm
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[21:24:08] <DaaT> Lily, I'm guessing UK as well?
[21:24:22] <Lily> yep
[21:24:44] <DaaT> cool
[21:26:01] <mrsun> have you had any rain in the uk this year ?
[21:26:07] <mrsun> feels like we in sweden got all of it
[21:26:10] <DaaT> of course not
[21:26:11] <mrsun> so it has to have passed you :P
[21:26:16] <DaaT> it's the uk, silly question
[21:26:18] <DaaT> :)
[21:26:34] <rootbaron> Yes, UK is clearer than Greenland.
[21:27:02] <Lily> hmm i wonder what's wrong with my mail server
[21:27:22] <DaaT> we had summer time for a couple of weeks back in may and a couple of more now in august
[21:27:28] <DaaT> to coincide with the olympics
[21:29:51] <rootbaron> Silly, VMware download site.  That .bundle isn't a .txt!
[21:30:03] <rootbaron> Or maybe it is a 134MB TXT file... O_O
[21:30:56] <mrsun> weather this year has been a pain, im in the middle of a renovation of a building and its just raining and everything gets wet etc ... i was hoping it would all dry up some day but nooo ... :/
[21:31:38] * DaaT ships over to mrsun the world' largest umbrella
[21:31:47] <DaaT> rootbaron, maybe it's the bible in txt format?
[21:31:48] <Lily> hmm brb folks i'm going to figure out why my thingy isn't arriving
[21:32:07] <mrsun> DaaT, still stuff doent dry to well when its raining even if its covered =)
[21:32:31] <rootbaron> DaaT: Christianity is a virtualization program?
[21:32:37] <rootbaron> I knew it all along...
[21:32:44] <DaaT> let me guess, you'd like me to ship over the world's largest heater?
[21:33:01] <DaaT> rootbaron, all religions are VMs
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[21:33:23] <mrsun> DaaT, hmm wouldnt that be like a volcano or something, might have to pass on that :P
[21:33:46] <DaaT> nah,nothing of the sort, just a regular heater, only XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXL in size
[21:34:36] <mrsun> if it can evaporate rain before it hits like 100 meters left to the earth ... it would be neat
[21:34:53] <mrsun> can i power it with ordenary nimh battieries ?
[21:34:55] <DaaT> that would be the sun, sorry
[21:35:03] <DaaT> use 9 volts
[21:36:02] <mrsun> just have to change it every 0.1 picoseconds ?
[21:36:09] <DaaT> :)
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[21:38:20] <rootbaron> Just use a sack of potatoes.
[21:41:02] <DaaT> right.. cooking time
[21:41:03] <DaaT> bbiab
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[21:54:17] <rootbaron> Ouch "Killed by the Oracle".
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[22:15:44] <munchaus1n> has actually been reeally hot in the UK for the last few weeks.
[22:15:54] <munchaus1n> By our standards anyway... 34C last week
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[22:38:45] <DaaT> ack
[22:38:55] <DaaT> sorry, that was supposed to be "back"
[22:38:56] <DaaT> :)
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[23:42:06] <jessicah> meow
[23:42:14] <jessicah> jstressman: did you get monitor working?
[23:43:09] * jessicah has never had issues with hda drivers
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[23:47:33] <Anarchos> congrats to olivier and ingo for their contracts !
[23:49:40] * rootbaron nods.  Just don't make it like PackageKit.
[23:50:02] <Anarchos> rootbaron by the way, why not reimplement Package Manager ?
[23:50:14] <CIA-58> haiku.master: korli * hrev44574 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=d3668a5 :
[23:50:14] <CIA-58> SoundConsumer.cpp: fix debug macros compiling in release mode
[23:50:14] <CIA-58> Signed-off-by: Jérôme Duval <jerome.duval at gmail dot com>
[23:50:46] <rootbaron> Didn't StreakX [sic?] make that?
[23:51:28] <CIA-58> haiku.master: mmadia * hrev44575 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=a441887 :
[23:51:28] <CIA-58> Added 'diskimage' to image.
[23:51:29] <CIA-58> Allows one to register a file as disk, which can then be mounted.
[23:51:29] <CIA-58> To note, one application of this is to allow mounting of anyboot images.
[23:51:29] <CIA-58> Fixes #5578.
[23:51:53] <munchaus1n> think I've finally figured out why threading wont work in swi prolog under haiku
[23:52:54] <munchaus1n> its to do with getrlimit
[23:53:28] <munchaus1n> at least the header file (resource.h) says haiku only supports RLIMIT_NOFILE
[23:53:42] <munchaus1n> and swi needs RLIMIT_STACK
[23:54:07] <munchaus1n> So guess I need to make a bug report
[23:54:30] <mmu_man> munchaus1n: or send a patch :)
[23:55:01] <mmu_man> I added NOFILE, and I thought someone added the STACK one...
[23:55:16] <mmu_man> at least I remember checking for some other port
[23:55:29] <munchaus1n> mmu_man - I wouldn't know where to start... I don't really know anything about pthreads/posix
[23:55:40] <munchaus1n> I just managed to find this using the debugger after a while of digging
[23:56:01] <munchaus1n> Where would the getrlimit function be implemented
[23:56:14] <munchaus1n> Maybe the comment in the header is wrong and it's something else thats broken
[23:56:18] <mmu_man> munchaus1n: well if it's just to report the current limit it's easy
[23:56:48] <munchaus1n> Well here's my reasoning...
[23:56:56] <mmu_man> have a look at src/system/libroot/posix/sys/rlimit.c
[23:57:00] <munchaus1n> swi wants to know the current limit
[23:57:17] <mmu_man> oh it's a syscall...
[23:57:22] <munchaus1n> then calls pthread_attribute_setstacksize with this limit
[23:57:27] <munchaus1n> yeah
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[23:57:36] <munchaus1n> this call fails
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[23:57:42] <mmu_man> if it's correctly abstracted you can also use the native API, get_thread_info()
[23:57:52] <mmu_man> it should give the stack top and bottom IIRC
[23:58:16] <munchaus1n> I looked it up and this call should apparently fail if the stack size exceeds a limit
[23:58:44] <mmu_man> the rlimit syscalls are implemented in src/system/kernel/thread.cpp
[23:59:30] <munchaus1n> swi reports the error as "error in system call" so I guess this all makes sense

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