August 21, 2012 
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August 21, 2012 [00:00:49] <JoySwe> It is using the Radeon driver, just upgrade to the latest nightly[00:01:16] <JoySwe> And i am using a DVI to HDMI cable[00:01:29] <mmu_man> in BeOS the screen prefs had undocumented shortcuts to change the picture position but I don't think we implement this[00:02:01] <mmu_man> well then trying to change the display timings probably won't work[00:02:22] <mmu_man> you don't have 1920x1080 in the resolutions ?[00:02:50] <JoySwe> I was afraid of that, so it is back to runing VESA at 1440x800[00:03:00] <mmu_man> here I have 1920x1200 which is the native display rez[00:03:10] <mmu_man> it's possible the driver didn't get the EDID mode from the LCD[00:03:19] <JoySwe> I am runing at 1920x1080...[00:03:30] <mmu_man> wait, you are using the correct rez ?[00:03:36] <JoySwe> It is the default when i booted...[00:03:39] <mmu_man> then it's probably a bug in the driver[00:05:00] <mmu_man> you should ask kallisti5, he's the one playing with the radeon driver[00:05:15] <augiedoggie> you're assuming he meant radeon_hd[00:05:33] <JoySwe> Screen says i have a Sharp HDMI 52", but it is just a 46". It should not make a diffrence...[00:06:20] <JoySwe> Radeon HD 4870 (RV770)[00:08:23] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[00:09:11] *** luroh has quit IRC[00:10:22] *** Megaf has joined #haiku[00:11:37] *** JoySwe has quit IRC[00:12:24] *** bob_ok has joined #haiku[00:14:39] *** Ingenu has left #haiku[00:15:17] *** netstar has quit IRC[00:16:37] *** Luko has joined #haiku[00:17:24] <AutowiredConstru> wow haiku feels so alive even when its dead! excellent[00:20:10] *** ddavid123 has joined #haiku[00:26:39] *** AutowiredConstru has quit IRC[00:30:59] <jessicah> haiku isn't dead[00:31:01] <jessicah> oh[00:32:45] *** lollo64it has quit IRC[00:33:38] <Anarchos> jessicah : don't feed the troll :)[00:35:10] *** lollo64it has joined #haiku[00:35:46] <mmu_man> jessicah: Haiku is not Hurd :P[00:40:07] <jmayfield> we are not fugazi[00:42:06] <Anarchos> mmu_man do you mean hurd is dead ?[00:43:08] <jessicah> Anarchos: oh, i did read the documents about caml_register_c_thread[00:43:29] <jessicah> caml_c_thread_register, rather[00:43:50] <jessicah> i think the better approach is to use the release/acquire runtime functions instead[00:44:04] <Anarchos> jessicah it is for two different uses[00:44:53] <jessicah> no, you can use the release/acquire runtime functions as an alternative[00:45:03] <Anarchos> release/acquire is to enter into the caml runtime ; thread_register is to allow threads not created by the runtime to register their stacks within the gc in order to not confuse the traversal of the values.[00:45:50] <jessicah> if your C code doesn't hold onto ocaml values, you don't need to register the threads[00:46:25] <jessicah> and because haiku is exceedingly multithreaded, i don't think the register threads functionality will help at all[00:46:45] <jessicah> you're better off to not hold onto ocaml values at all[00:48:07] *** Luko has quit IRC[00:48:27] <Anarchos> jessicah except if the OS creates the thread for you and you need them to enter into ocaml runtime...[00:48:40] <Anarchos> jessicah as i had to do to interface the whole API with ocaml[00:52:23] <jessicah> oh, you created a BApplication, and then invoked ocaml from that?[00:52:45] <jessicah> i was thinking of it in the opposite direction[00:53:02] <jessicah> you have an ocaml program that invokes creating BApplication, windows, etc.[00:53:29] <jmayfield> ocaml eh? never played with that lang[00:53:39] <DHowett> oh, camel.[00:53:49] *** DocPheniX has quit IRC[00:54:31] *** DocPheniX has joined #haiku[00:54:32] <Anarchos> jessicah let me be a more precise :[00:54:54] <Anarchos> jessicah in an ocaml toplevel, i created a be_application object[00:55:12] <Anarchos> jessicah which creates (through external C functions) a real BApplication.[00:55:38] <Anarchos> jessicah now the funny part is that in the toplevel i can override the methods of the be_application... in ocaml[00:55:54] *** jayrulez has joined #haiku[00:56:22] *** happy4crazy has quit IRC[00:56:40] <Anarchos> that is why i need to go into both direction... ocaml -> C -> C++ -> kernel .... create threads C++ -> overloaded Be API -> C++ -> C -> ocaml runtime :)[00:57:18] <Anarchos> jessicah that is how i could invoke a full dynadraw3d! (sample from Be code) from the ocaml toplevel[00:57:45] <jmayfield> what is a reason someone might use ocaml?[00:57:59] <augiedoggie> mental illness :P[00:58:20] <dreamed> don't be ableist :P[00:58:34] <mmu_man> Anarchos: was just a troll :p[00:59:20] <jessicah> ocaml rocks :)[00:59:52] <jessicah> Anarchos: hmm, intriguing. if there was existing code I could look at, it would've been easier to see[00:59:55] <jmayfield> fans of X usually declare X to rock.. i am just curious as to the whys[01:00:02] <jessicah> :p[01:00:16] <Anarchos> jessicah as i told you i corrupted all the partition[01:00:24] <jessicah> i find languages either too verbose, or too dynamic[01:00:26] <Anarchos> jessicah and it was not fully thread friendly[01:00:38] <jessicah> i find the static typing sane[01:00:50] *** happy4crazy has joined #haiku[01:00:52] *** happy4crazy has quit IRC[01:01:02] <jessicah> and the language less cluttered[01:01:04] <jmayfield> I've been doing a lot of erlang these days[01:01:20] <jessicah> Anarchos: yeah, i remember :([01:01:47] <jessicah> i do a lot of c# these days, it makes me pine for ocaml[01:01:55] <jmayfield> eh[01:01:57] <jmayfield> hehe[01:02:22] <jessicah> have to write so much to do so little[01:02:47] <jmayfield> sounds scary[01:02:53] <Anarchos> jessicah i feel like that when i do listener observer in java....[01:02:55] <jmayfield> potentially so anyway[01:03:58] <jmayfield> i have a hard time wanting to work in anything other than erlang.. heh[01:04:21] <jmayfield> at least for the kind of work i usually ifnd myself doing[01:05:57] <jessicah> what kind of work do you find yourself doing? :)[01:07:12] *** lordmois has joined #haiku[01:07:16] <jmayfield> web app/service backends[01:08:30] <Anarchos> jessicah by the way, do you know how to do some tricks with the C preprocessor ?[01:08:49] <Anarchos> jessicah i want it not to insert space after or before the expanded term.[01:09:17] <jessicah> no i don't[01:09:28] <jessicah> the C preprocessor is pretty limited though[01:11:38] <Anarchos> jessicah i don't want to have to resort into m4 :([01:12:25] <Anarchos> jessicah or worse, sed...[01:12:43] <lordmois> hi[01:13:04] <lordmois> how i can search a specific channel in mirc?[01:13:30] <lordmois> for example channels with mp3 files[01:15:28] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[01:15:47] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[01:16:23] <lordmois> help me[01:16:27] <lordmois> :)[01:16:49] <dreamed> any opers around to help lordmoist out of the channel?[01:17:06] *** bob_ok has quit IRC[01:17:09] <augiedoggie> he's borderline, but hasn't quite crossed the threshold[01:17:53] <lordmois> take easy dreamed[01:17:55] *** bob_ok has joined #haiku[01:20:40] *** bob_ok has quit IRC[01:22:29] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[01:22:29] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[01:22:41] *** Negr0_VoP2P has quit IRC[01:23:04] *** oco2 has quit IRC[01:24:24] <Anarchos> lordmois you are in the wrong channel for such requests.[01:27:46] *** DocPheniX has quit IRC[01:27:46] <dreamed> try #freenode[01:28:26] *** DocPheniX has joined #haiku[01:31:57] <lordmois> thanks for your guide[01:32:07] <lordmois> i was a beos pe user[01:32:26] <lordmois> i forgot almost all irc commands[01:32:34] <Anarchos> lordmois that is nice ; i was a beos pro user :)[01:32:57] <lordmois> great times[01:33:02] <lordmois> jean lui gasset[01:33:24] <Anarchos> lordmois jean-louis gassée. was ahead of his time with beia :)[01:33:58] <mmu_man> too much :p[01:34:01] <lordmois> great times[01:34:03] <lordmois> bebits[01:34:25] <lordmois> and the phrases[01:34:50] <lordmois> like " pe3 > than macosx"[01:35:00] <lordmois> :)[01:48:27] *** Lily has joined #haiku[01:48:37] <Lily> Hey folks[01:48:39] *** lordmois has left #haiku[01:50:42] <jessicah> hey jess :)[01:51:12] <Lily> How are you[01:51:41] <jessicah> having lunch, so at this very moment, good :D[01:51:45] <jessicah> how're you?[01:52:09] <Lily> I'm good thanks, got back home, just installed the newest nightly and thinking of watching some TV[01:52:21] <Lily> has anyone had problems with logging into gooogle with webpositive?[01:53:09] <jessicah> not me[01:53:20] <jessicah> some parts of gmail don't play well, but i can login[01:53:31] <Lily> maybe it's my internet[01:54:42] <jessicah> i haven't tried a latest nightly[01:54:46] <jessicah> lemme do that[01:54:58] <Lily> my internets a bit crappy so it's most likely that :P[01:55:31] <jessicah> hrev44483 works[01:56:02] <Lily> hmm on my gentoo machine the latest firefox lets me in[01:56:07] <Lily> odd i can't on webpositive[01:56:26] <Lily> it just seems to like... stall loading[01:56:32] <jessicah> well, webpositive isn't the fastest browser...[01:58:41] *** jmelesky has quit IRC[01:58:59] <Lily> yeh[01:59:02] <Lily> I do like it tho[01:59:43] <Lily> caya seems to crash when you try and use msn[02:00:27] *** rdmr has quit IRC[02:01:02] <jessicah> what's caya?[02:01:14] <Lily> it's an IM client type thing[02:01:30] <Lily> you can install it from installoptionalpackage or haikuware[02:01:38] <jessicah> okies[02:04:23] <jessicah> oh. haiku really needs global http proxy support[02:04:35] <jessicah> guess i can't try out caya today[02:05:47] <Lily> awhh, it's okay tho I think it needs a bit of TLC[02:06:16] <Anarchos> Lily i cant' logged into hotmail in W+, think it is cookie related[02:06:46] <Lily> Anarchos I had trouble with google accounts... can you login to those?[02:06:58] <Anarchos> Lily i have no google account sorry[02:07:25] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[02:07:29] <Lily> ahhh rigt okay[02:07:30] <Lily> *right[02:08:25] <Lily> Anarchos I just used W+ to login to hotmail[02:08:26] <Lily> it worked[02:08:27] <jessicah> latest nightly also working[02:09:19] *** jmayfield has quit IRC[02:10:20] <Anarchos> Lily ok thanks[02:10:24] <jessicah> oh right, have facebook checkpoint thing enabled[02:10:35] <Anarchos> jessicah i just began to translate the ocaml runtime into MMIX assembly :)[02:10:45] <jessicah> got as far as that; can't be bothered checking phone for auth number[02:11:19] *** happy4crazy has joined #haiku[02:11:53] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[02:12:05] <Lily> facebook works with W+[02:12:30] <jessicah> i'm sure it does. i just have it enabled to require authorisation when logging in from a new device/browser[02:13:01] <Lily> yeh :P I had that turned on though i just told facebook one time i didn't have my phone on me and it let me login[02:13:08] <Lily> which seems... odd that you can easily override it like that[02:15:31] <jessicah> :o[02:16:08] *** happy4crazy has quit IRC[02:17:59] <jessicah> told facebook?[02:18:13] <jessicah> i dun see an option that says "don't have phone on me" :p[02:19:24] *** Lily has quit IRC[02:19:55] *** Lily has joined #haiku[02:22:41] <Lily> humph, crappy internet[02:48:28] *** MatthewH12 has quit IRC[02:52:34] *** Skipp_OSX has quit IRC[02:54:13] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[03:04:44] *** Disreali has quit IRC[03:08:36] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[03:09:46] *** Lily has quit IRC[03:19:42] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[03:19:57] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[03:24:03] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[03:24:22] *** DHowett has quit IRC[03:31:10] *** Lily has joined #haiku[03:31:32] <Lily> What app do you guys use to get youtube videos?[03:32:43] *** DHowett has joined #haiku[03:32:43] *** DHowett has joined #haiku[03:36:14] *** duvjones has joined #haiku[03:40:01] <jessicah> youtube-dl[03:40:24] <jessicah> although it doesn't work with videos that use rtmp-e, which seems to becoming more prevalent on youtube :([03:40:25] *** ismd has quit IRC[03:40:34] <Lily> awhh :([03:40:37] <Lily> i'll try it[03:40:43] <jessicah> it should still work with many[03:40:51] *** ismd has joined #haiku[03:42:28] *** Xeon3D is now known as Xeon3D|Zzz[03:43:43] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[03:43:48] <Lily> woot it's working! :D[03:44:28] <jessicah> :)[03:46:05] *** qptain_Nemo has quit IRC[03:47:38] <ddavid123> I use a web site to download youtube videos.[03:48:11] <ddavid123> It has some questionable ads in it thought.[03:48:27] <ddavid123> brb[03:52:42] *** happy4crazy has joined #haiku[03:53:04] <Lily> youtube-dl seems to be working pretty good[03:53:23] <ddavid123> savefrom.net But beware it may contain some small images that may be inappropriate for some people.[03:53:39] *** mmadia has quit IRC[03:53:47] <ddavid123> You can choose the res before download[03:53:55] <ddavid123> and file type[03:54:05] <Lily> file type would be cool[03:54:25] <ddavid123> mp4, flv and webm[03:54:33] <Lily> ooo webm[03:54:37] <ddavid123> if available[03:54:42] <Lily> the other two don't interest me :P[03:54:48] <ddavid123> most of the time it is[03:54:56] *** Skipp_OSX has joined #haiku[03:55:05] <ddavid123> Right, I only ise mp4[03:55:07] <Lily> I can't wait until W+ gets html5 video support :D[03:55:18] <ddavid123> Me too![03:55:58] <ddavid123> How about a port of Gnash? Gnu's reimplementation of flash player.[03:56:28] <Lily> not really a fan of gnash or any flash alternatives (i also don't want flash to come ether)[03:56:56] <jessicah> mp4 is a better format than webm still[03:57:25] <Lily> jessicah webm is patent free and stuff[03:57:48] <jessicah> psh, in theory[03:57:52] <Lily> :P[03:57:56] <ddavid123> As much as I despise flash, it still has a dominance in certain corners of the web that html5 hasn't been able to replace[03:58:12] <Lily> ddavid123 I can get by without it[03:58:25] <ddavid123> That's the Spirit1[03:58:29] <ddavid123> ![03:58:30] <Lily> :P yeh xD[03:58:53] <Skipp_OSX> unfortunately there was a gnash port but it didn't work well[03:58:57] <Lily> the only sort of place I use it is youtube but that's html5 and i guess occasionly tinychat tho not much now as i have skype premium[03:59:19] <Lily> and tinychat could be re-written now with html5 as you can do webcam stuff with html and js[03:59:25] <ddavid123> Gnash itself didn't work well until 0.8.9.[04:00:06] <ddavid123> Well Boot to Gecko is proving that much[04:00:06] <Lily> I wonder how hard it would be for me to look at the linux webcam driver and port it...[04:00:38] <ddavid123> I think there is more than one driver[04:01:03] <jessicah> i thought there was already a driver for haiku[04:01:21] <Lily> jessicah one driver which fits all? :s[04:01:43] <jessicah> apparently?[04:01:44] <ddavid123> One Nvidia driver fits all![04:01:48] <ddavid123> lol[04:02:01] <Lily> jessicah well codycam doesn't seem to like the webcam build into this netbook[04:02:04] <jessicah> usb video has a fairly standard interface afaik[04:02:12] <Lily> lemmi go get my usb webcam :P[04:02:25] <jessicah> i've yet to try my logitech one[04:02:46] <jessicah> iirc, mine does the video compression/encoding on the host rather than in the hardware[04:03:29] <Lily> I plugged the webcam in and codycam still shouts there is no webcam[04:03:34] <ddavid123> What would be the chances of using Gstreamer on Haiku?[04:03:45] <jessicah> for what?[04:03:47] <ddavid123> Or something like it[04:04:08] <jessicah> do we really need to add more crud? :)[04:04:54] <Lily> hmm doesn't "Devices" see usb stuff?[04:05:00] <Lily> maybe i'm just blind[04:05:04] <jessicah> dunno[04:05:07] *** NeonLicht has quit IRC[04:05:55] <Lily> ooh it does i think[04:06:17] <ddavid123> I forgot it is written in C[04:06:43] <Lily> jessicah seems if there is a driver it doesn't work with the 2 webcams i got here[04:08:06] <jessicah> oh :([04:10:45] <Lily> Does anyone know any software to produce PDF's in haiku?[04:15:29] *** Luko has joined #haiku[04:21:52] <Skipp_OSX> there was a webcam GSOC project last year[04:22:17] <Skipp_OSX> not sure how far it got, I don't believe the result was committed to tree[04:24:18] <jessicah> ohh[04:26:08] <Disreali> jessicah: http://www.haiku-os.org/blog/gabrielhartmann[04:26:52] <Disreali> might be a link to the webcam stuff in one of his posts[04:27:26] *** Luko18 has joined #haiku[04:27:47] *** Luko has quit IRC[04:28:24] <Disreali> or maybe not[04:30:09] <jessicah> his code should be copyrighted; i'll run a grep :)[04:31:21] <jessicah> yup, there stuff in sources[04:31:34] <Disreali> was it even commited to the trunk?[04:31:38] <jessicah> add-ons/media/media-add-ons/usb_webcam[04:31:43] <jessicah> i'm looking at trunk[04:31:43] <Disreali> nice[04:32:03] <jessicah> it might not be enabled though[04:32:06] <jessicah> since it's so unstable[04:32:27] <Disreali> a lot of earlier students never committed their work and it sort of disappeared[04:32:43] <jessicah> usb_webcam/addons/uvc, rather[04:32:53] <jessicah> that has stuff with his name in the copyright[04:33:06] <Disreali> cool[04:34:36] <Skipp_OSX> Lily, there is a print to PDF printer[04:34:43] *** stpere has joined #haiku[04:36:24] <Lily> Skipp_OSX o right awesome, thanks![04:39:47] <jessicah> i can't remember where your blog is, jessica[04:39:56] <jessicah> that is written in na'vi[04:40:18] <jessicah> i have too many friends also named jessica...[04:41:40] <Lily> http://tsyesika.co.uk[04:42:01] *** NeonLicht has joined #haiku[04:42:51] <jessicah> it's very hard to read :p[04:43:39] <Lily> jessicah because it's in na'vi or another reason?[04:45:22] <jessicah> because it's in na'vi :)[04:46:16] <jessicah> it would be nice if gsoc students kept contributing to haiku post-gsoc...[04:46:38] <jessicah> the UVC stuff would've been immensely awesome to have working[04:47:56] <Luko18> hi.. maybe somebody try run Haiku on this http://dmitry.co/index.php?p=./04.Thoughts/07.%20Linux%20on%208bit[04:48:33] <Luko18> ARM emulator with SSH output[04:49:33] *** Lily has quit IRC[04:50:00] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[04:50:25] <Skipp_OSX> jessicah, well that's the idea... but it doesn't always happen.[04:51:24] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[04:53:03] *** Lily has joined #haiku[04:53:09] <Lily> humph @ network[04:53:43] <Lily> jessicah there aren't any translations for na'vi ether[04:54:18] <jessicah> ah well. did you get anywhere finding info on how to start adding na'vi translations for haiku?[04:54:39] <Lily> nope :([04:54:55] <Disreali> several gsoc students continue to participate. pulkomandy was one and know he is one of the core devs[04:56:10] <jessicah> that's pretty cool :)[04:58:05] <Lily> does W+ have a print option i can't see it :([04:59:28] *** pseudomind has joined #haiku[05:05:09] *** stpere has quit IRC[05:08:19] <Lily> jessicah maybe I should email him again.[05:09:38] <jessicah> you should[05:09:43] <jessicah> who did you email last time?[05:09:56] <Lily> errmmm[05:10:12] <Disreali> Lily: afair, there is not printing support in W+[05:10:48] <Lily> Disreali damn :([05:11:01] <Lily> i don't suppose anyone here knows if iOS allows email searching? xD[05:11:15] <dreamed> yeah it does[05:11:17] <Disreali> sorry, no idea[05:11:30] <dreamed> double tape home it gives you search, that can work, or you can search in mail[05:11:36] <dreamed> double tap[05:11:36] <dreamed> even[05:12:19] <Lily> o yeh you can i swear that bar wasn't there last time i looked[05:13:39] <Lily> jessicah niels reedijk[05:13:42] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[05:13:54] <Lily> he did reply[05:14:28] <Lily> he said I could and he could let me via the interface... I logged on but can't see of the ability to[05:15:39] <jessicah> maybe it's just not very intuitive. it looks confusing to me[05:18:49] <Lily> yeh the site does seem it but in preferences you can select the languages[05:18:51] <Lily> I'm not sure[05:19:52] <Disreali> nice. Haiku will now be a true geek os. it will have Na'vi[05:20:17] *** Luko18 has quit IRC[05:24:19] <Lily> Disreali hopefully anyway[05:24:31] <Disreali> :)[05:24:48] *** happy4crazy has quit IRC[05:25:52] <Lily> jessicah yeh it's definitly not there yet[05:27:17] *** duvjones has quit IRC[05:29:56] *** bbjimmy has joined #haiku[05:32:25] <Disreali> good night all[05:32:33] <Lily> night x[05:32:46] *** Disreali has quit IRC[05:33:13] *** duvjones has joined #haiku[05:33:31] *** DocPheniX has quit IRC[05:34:08] *** DocPheniX has joined #haiku[05:47:30] *** Skipp_OSX has quit IRC[05:48:31] *** hamishm has quit IRC[05:56:09] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[05:58:53] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[05:58:53] *** JsobCloud_ is now known as JsobCloud[06:06:23] *** nsuperbus has joined #haiku[06:08:11] *** Lily has quit IRC[06:33:55] *** slubman has quit IRC[06:39:06] *** DocPheniX has quit IRC[06:42:42] *** mrsun has quit IRC[07:09:43] *** slubman has joined #haiku[07:22:28] *** JsobCloud has quit 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good morning everyone.[10:59:25] *** letharion has quit IRC[11:02:05] <johnny_b> morning brobostigon[11:02:09] <jessicah> hello brobostigon[11:02:24] <brobostigon> morning and hello jessicah and jessicah[11:02:33] <brobostigon> morning and hello jessicah and johnny_b[11:04:02] <jessicah> i get three welcomes :)[11:04:09] <jessicah> take that, johnny[11:04:18] <jessicah> brobostigon likes me more than you[11:04:20] <jessicah> :p[11:04:28] <johnny_b> :][11:04:41] <johnny_b> it's normal (based on your nick ;))[11:04:56] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[11:05:05] <brobostigon> it was a tab complete accidant.[11:05:18] <johnny_b> brobostigon: no need for excuse :p[11:05:40] <brobostigon> it is no excuse.[11:07:54] <johnny_b> ;)[11:07:59] <Wizard> Heh, be famous on irc, pick girl nick ;)[11:08:09] <johnny_b> :D[11:08:35] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[11:08:35] *** JsobCloud_ is now known as JsobCloud[11:09:45] <brobostigon> :)[11:14:03] *** letharion has joined #haiku[11:14:43] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[11:16:04] *** TimKack has quit IRC[11:18:05] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[11:18:05] *** JsobCloud_ is now known as JsobCloud[11:19:11] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[11:20:27] *** bbjimmy has joined #haiku[11:26:12] <munchaus1n> Just bought new (well, 2nd hand) laptop so that haiku will support all my hardware. Next step - sell old laptop. Feels like I might have done this the wrong way round... but meh NEW LAPTOP :)[11:28:23] *** Spelln has quit IRC[11:28:57] *** RISCi_ATOM has left #haiku[11:30:04] *** TimKack has joined #haiku[11:30:42] <Wizard> munchaus1n: Kewl. Since some nightly my intel video works properly, so I've actually started to use Haiku.[11:30:43] <Wizard> \o/[11:35:53] *** bbjimmy-at-home has joined #haiku[11:35:56] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[11:35:58] *** bbjimmy-at-home is now known as bbjimmy[11:36:09] *** letharion has quit IRC[11:37:45] *** CommanderSpleen has joined #haiku[11:40:53] *** letharion has joined #haiku[11:42:30] <Wizard> munchaus1n: Did you use Haiku before?[11:51:16] <munchaus1n> Wizard - yes trying it now and again for years. Recently installed on my old macbook, ported prolog (sort of) and decided that I could actually switch to using it full time for work and general stuff if I had a laptop with supported hardware. Quite excited![11:51:38] <johnny_b> whoa[11:51:42] <johnny_b> nice experiment[11:52:30] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[11:52:38] <munchaus1n> thanks :)[11:53:06] <munchaus1n> I think I'll mostly miss flash videos, but I'm hoping shumway will mature at some point and sort that out for me[11:55:12] <Wizard> I miss many things. Flash is not necessary.[11:55:28] <munchaus1n> I watch quite a lot of online TV.[11:56:05] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[11:56:05] *** JsobCloud_ is now known as JsobCloud[11:56:40] <munchaus1n> There are some other programs I'll miss though, but I figure I'll have some linux as a backup. I haven't decided what. I'm sick of ubuntu, I know that[11:57:24][11:57:47] <johnny_b> linux is pita[11:58:50] <johnny_b> it's not suitable for average joe[11:59:12] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[11:59:18] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[11:59:19] *** JsobCloud_ is now known as JsobCloud[12:01:34] <munchaus1n> It's not really great for programmers either[12:02:10] <johnny_b> unix became a fscking mess[12:02:26] <munchaus1n> at least, I'm tired of it. Not that there aren't good things about it. And I don't ever really use windows or mac os. Only accassionally windows if I need to do some 3D modelling[12:03:02] <munchaus1n> So I guess you can say it's better than the other options[12:03:21] <johnny_b> i'd like to use haiku for desktop and plan9 for the infrastructure[12:03:33] <munchaus1n> lol[12:03:43] <munchaus1n> what's the updated plan9 called?[12:03:57] <munchaus1n> can do some crazy things[12:04:13] <munchaus1n> ah, inferno[12:04:14] <johnny_b> plan9 has rolling release[12:04:34] <johnny_b> inferno isn't exactly an updated plan9[12:04:36] <Wizard> Is it still being updated?[12:04:42] <Wizard> I mean Plan9?[12:04:43] <johnny_b> yep[12:05:10] <munchaus1n> ok sorry. I don't know a lot about this. It's a different OS but lots of the same ideas right?[12:05:19] <johnny_b> yep[12:05:28] <johnny_b> i'd like to have inferno on my phone[12:05:38] <munchaus1n> you can mount a window, even on a different machine, and it moves the process over[12:05:40] <johnny_b> i dislike the android crap[12:05:45] <johnny_b> true[12:10:14] *** TimKack_ has joined #haiku[12:12:15] *** TimKack has quit IRC[12:12:59] <johnny_b> i think the biggest problem of the alternative OSes are the new users which want to migrate from their disliked OS but want to keep the old and comfortable sw environment[12:14:54] <johnny_b> a bit of magic here, use qt there, replace the kernel with linux because of driver support and you have the ideal replacement OS[12:15:17] <johnny_b> which is the same what they left[12:15:49] <johnny_b> whent they notice they will leave to continue their quest for the holy grail[12:20:16] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[12:20:35] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[12:20:42] <munchaus1n> Ah, yeah. See I like haiku because its designed from the ground up to be a desktop OS. Everything is integrated, there is only one choice, one way, the right way it should have been done to start with. Once you start mixing and matching bits and pieces, if you're not careful you just end up with a mess[12:23:12] <munchaus1n> one of the main things I'm looking forward to with the thinkpad is something most people take for granted - 3 USB ports :)[12:24:43] <johnny_b> i love thinkpads[12:26:00] <johnny_b> black and built like a tank[12:26:02] <johnny_b> :)[12:28:37] *** jwlhc172 has joined #haiku[12:29:08] *** TimKack_ is now known as TimKack[12:29:34] <munchaus1n> johnny_b - apparently inferno has been ported to android[12:30:42] *** ianj has quit IRC[12:31:08] <johnny_b> munchaus1n: on top of the bionic library, more precisely[12:31:25] *** ianj has joined #haiku[12:31:29] <johnny_b> i'm aware of it but needs some work to work on my phone[12:32:43] <jezek2> johnny_b: yeah no point in reusing linux kernel, as with that you pretty much import everything from linux ;)[12:34:09] <jezek2> + there is much more focus on servers things for linux, than for desktop[12:34:24] <jezek2> don't think the approach of covering all use cases can work[12:34:39] <jezek2> some area will be suffering no matter what[12:35:22] <jezek2> it's also from the fact that on server it's all about isolation... on desktop it's all about cooperation, between processes[12:39:42] <munchaus1n> have you seen zevenos?[12:40:43] *** Luko has joined #haiku[12:41:54] <johnny_b> jezek2: i know there's no point with playin with linux but once upon a time there was a project called BlueEyedOS[12:42:09] <johnny_b> or something like that[12:42:50] <johnny_b> the goal was to marry the Be API and everything that made BeOS so beloved with the linux[12:43:29] <munchaus1n> zevenOS has a beos style tracker/deskbar GUI[12:44:41] <munchaus1n> I wonder how good it really is though[12:45:05] <munchaus1n> It looks as though for the most part they just skinned nautilus[12:47:06] <johnny_b> ubuntu ... :|[12:51:01] *** letharion has quit IRC[12:52:19] <Wizard> munchaus1n: They skinned xfce and wrote Deskbar.[12:52:44] *** happy4crazy has joined #haiku[12:52:54] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[12:52:57] <Wizard> If it comes about linux distros I like Ubuntu. This Unity gui is quite nice, but veeery memory hungry.[12:53:06] *** me-1 has joined #haiku[12:53:13] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[12:54:03] <me-1> hi...is a haiku Hard Disk portable to other computer(Like most Linux distros are)..?[12:54:12] <munchaus1n> Wizard - I was thinking its probably actually xfce not nautilus.[12:54:51] *** letharion has joined #haiku[12:54:52] <Wizard> me-1: Sure.[12:54:57] <munchaus1n> I dont like ubuntu any more. I stayed on 10.04 for a very very long time because of unity. And now I have updated and am still using standard gnome 2 but a lot of stuff is broken[12:55:20] <Wizard> munchaus1n: xubuntu is for you, then.[12:55:28] <munchaus1n> And I can't be bothered to update more[12:55:43] <munchaus1n> Wizard - I dont like xfce[12:55:46] <Wizard> OK.[12:55:54] <munchaus1n> Maybe I'm picky, I dunno[12:56:04] <Wizard> Touchy :P[12:56:15] *** Luko has quit IRC[12:56:21] <munchaus1n> I was thinking mint might be good because they're working hard to stick with a traditional desktop[12:56:22] <me-1> Wizard, you mean I can install it on host PC and and put hard disk in other pc[12:56:41] <Wizard> Sure, just as you can boot few PCs from one USB stick.[12:57:05] <johnny_b> yep[12:57:09] <munchaus1n> xfce just feels clunky to me...[12:57:19] <Wizard> (Of course hardware has to be supported, me-1)[12:59:13] <me-1> Wizard, now I got the idea . If hardwre can boot live it can boot from HD as well . hardware should support it as its pentium III from y2000 . Its experiment PC btw[12:59:36] *** letharion has quit IRC[13:00:11] <munchaus1n> me-1 - as long as the disk controller on the destination PC is supported[13:00:12] <Wizard> :)[13:01:04] <me-1> That is IDE[13:01:29] <Wizard> He probably meant chip, not type.[13:01:33] <me-1> I love this porability is open source OSes[13:02:06] <me-1> Portbility[13:03:53] *** letharion has joined #haiku[13:04:13] <me-1> as for I know they are same for host and destination pc[13:05:41] <Wizard> Meh, just try it.[13:05:45] <Wizard> :)[13:06:51] <me-1> one more question is haikuware app works now or I have to download and install apps manually[13:07:56] <johnny_b> manual way[13:08:00] <munchaus1n> haikuware app? I'm not aware of one.[13:08:53] <me-1> I ment that app store like thing of haiku[13:09:18] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[13:09:25] *** netstar has joined #haiku[13:09:31] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[13:09:43] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[13:10:03] <munchaus1n> oh no, the package management stuff isn't ready yet[13:10:25] <munchaus1n> fingers crossed for next year. There's a blog post about it this morning[13:10:42] <munchaus1n> http://www.haiku-os.org/news/2012-08-20_two_contractors_each_two_months[13:11:34] <munchaus1n> also http://www.haiku-os.org/blog/mmadia/2012-08-20_brief_summary_haikus_package_management[13:12:13] <me-1> that is nice[13:13:04] <me-1> I am really looking forward for haiku to become stable ..[13:13:10] <me-1> cant wait[13:15:07] <Wizard> :)[13:16:22] <Wizard> I'm afraid you have to wait..[13:16:32] *** letharion has quit IRC[13:16:58] <me-1> does Haiku has only BeOS apps or modern apps are written/ported to it...?[13:19:36] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[13:20:16] <johnny_b> both[13:20:36] *** letharion has joined #haiku[13:21:27] <me-1> its good as those decade old apps may not fit todays computing needs[13:23:50] *** Lily has joined #haiku[13:23:57] <johnny_b> me-1: for example?[13:24:21] <johnny_b> i agree they're not overengineered[13:25:48] *** jwlhc172 has left #haiku[13:27:02] <me-1> johnny_b, I guess so . I have just played Haiku in VB so cant anything[13:28:18] <me-1> but its logical that sofwate becomes dated in a decade . if you think otherwise give me an exemple..?[13:29:52] <me-1> some people while idea of Haiku is out-dated as computing is shifting to tablets and smart phone[13:30:15] <me-1> *think whole idea....[13:30:45] <Wizard> me-1: If people prefer playing instead of working..[13:31:48] <johnny_b> me-1: smart phones which sell on horrible prices without normal sw support?[13:31:53] <johnny_b> no thanks[13:32:08] <johnny_b> they're not even suitable for making calls[13:32:32] <johnny_b> they're toys not tools[13:32:42] <Wizard> Just as I mentioned.[13:32:59] <Wizard> Do you imagin running for example Netbeans on Android tablet?[13:33:01] <Wizard> :D[13:33:07] <johnny_b> Wizard: i agree with you[13:33:26] <me-1> I agree with both of you . desktop computing is here to stay keyboard+mouse combination best for productivity[13:33:34] <johnny_b> ppl need something cool and fancy which can be pushed and clicked[13:35:26] <me-1> i admit i find it hard to dial phone numbers on touch screen phones[13:36:48] <johnny_b> me too[13:37:44] <Wizard> I have a touchscreen netbook. Unfortunately touchscreen doesn't work on Haiku.[13:38:26] <me-1> Wizard, haiku plays well with touch screens I have seen a video on youtube[13:40:48] <munchaus1n> I thought about getting an thinkpad x61 tablet instead of normal x61[13:41:03] <munchaus1n> But the extra price didnt seem worth it... cant see that I'd use it all that much[13:42:00] *** happy4crazy has quit IRC[13:42:05] <munchaus1n> with a laptop more like the psion netbook it would be useful... with that there is no mouse and the keyboard is where the palm rest/touch pad would normally be with the LCD directly above it[13:42:56] <me-1> anyways , how can i contribute in haiku project if my C++ skills are very low...?[13:43:01] <Wizard> I meant my touchscreen doesn't work with Haiku.[13:43:35] <johnny_b> me-1: translation, bug hunting and reporting, writing about you experiences[13:43:46] <munchaus1n> That makes a lot of sense, more than a mouse on a laptop, perhaps. But I wouldnt use tablet mode and I wouldn't use tuch screen on a normal touch screen laptop as its too far away.[13:43:50] <Wizard> me-1: Read docs on the website, tere is some introduction there.[13:44:09] <johnny_b> me-1: simply use Haiku :)[13:44:22] <me-1> Wizard, you meant a specific touchscreen or no at all..?[13:44:40] <munchaus1n> I think a couple of touchscreens do work[13:44:44] <munchaus1n> some dont[13:44:54] <me-1> I will definatly like to contribute[13:46:51] <munchaus1n> Though maybe a tablet would be nice for 3D modelling in solidworks or similar[13:47:06] <johnny_b> me-1: you can learn C++ too[13:47:14] <me-1> there is a video on youtube some guy playing with haiku on a touch screen laptop[13:47:26] <Wizard> me-1: Specific.[13:47:29] <johnny_b> there's a nice intro book about C++ and Haiku API[13:47:40] <Wizard> me-1: If it comes about easy tasks, polish translation suuuuuucks.[13:47:42] <Wizard> ;)[13:48:28] <me-1> well I may offer my french skills[13:48:28] <Wizard> Messages look like they were written by 7 years old child.[13:48:59] <me-1> my messages..?[13:49:04] <Wizard> Add grammar taken from Google Translate and voilá. Polish translation.[13:49:11] <Wizard> No, Haiku messages in polish.[13:49:30] <Wizard> That'll be first thing I'll do for Haiku.[13:49:41] <Wizard> Polishing polish translation.[13:49:49] <munchaus1n> hehe[13:49:53] <munchaus1n> ^funny sentence[13:49:59] <me-1> that is good:)[13:50:36] <me-1> btw haiku playes really well with old hardware[13:53:35] <Wizard> You know, default installation takes like 100MB of RAM..[13:54:00] <munchaus1n> I tried it on a P-90 once. That was tooo old. Though beos r5 boots works well enough on it[13:54:32] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[13:54:50] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[13:54:56] <me-1> i tried to boot live CD into latest hardware and it failed[13:56:13] <Wizard> me-1: It happens. Actually I think it is much simpler to support older hardware, because of vesa compatibility and so.[13:56:18] <munchaus1n> yeah, it doesnt work so well on my 2006 macbook[13:56:36] <Wizard> No ACPI nightmare..[13:56:42] <munchaus1n> alpha 2 didnt work at all on my 2011 macbook pro from work[13:56:52] <munchaus1n> hence why I've just bought a thinkpad[13:57:01] <me-1> does haiku supports PPC ..?[13:57:06] <munchaus1n> (not new thinkpad though)[13:57:28] <munchaus1n> not really. though I have to say its difficult to say how much of the other arch ports has been done[13:57:34] <munchaus1n> a port has been started[13:57:39] <Wizard> me-1: No :([13:57:46] <munchaus1n> just like arm/68k/...[13:57:57] <Wizard> That is one of the things I'd like to work on.. PPC port.[13:58:24] <munchaus1n> hopefully x64 will be out with alpha 4 or soon after[13:58:25] <Wizard> Currently I have no time, but I expect getting my hands on Haiku code in November or December.[13:58:54] *** netstar has quit IRC[13:58:58] <me-1> I have an ibook g3 300 mgz with 256 mb of ram , d love to install haiku on it[13:59:46] <Wizard> I have a powerbook g4 1,5GHz. I'd love to run Haiku on it?[13:59:52] <Wizard> s/?/./[14:00:06] <me-1> can I ask a noob question[14:00:23] <Wizard> Than maybe I'll be able to help.[14:01:28] <Lily> I found haiku on a desktop I have with 256 of ram pretty unusable to be honest :([14:01:36] <Lily> me-1 always[14:01:42] <munchaus1n> Yeah, I have a 1.25GHz G4 emac[14:01:45] <me-1> apple will never share its hardware drivers with haiku devs . then how will it be possible to port haiku(or any other fos OS) to macs[14:01:46] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[14:02:05] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[14:02:16] <munchaus1n> me-1 - not sure where the info came from, but linux/*bsd manage well enough[14:02:19] <Wizard> me-1: If Linux works..[14:02:42] <munchaus1n> a lot of the hardware is commodity PC hardware anyhow[14:02:55] <munchaus1n> PCI bus, PCI devices, USB controller & devices, firewire etc etc[14:03:05] <Lily> me-1: reverse engenner them[14:03:16] <me-1> so you will use linux/freeBSD drivers[14:03:20] <Wizard> Besides, PPC macs use pretty "open" architecture.[14:03:47] <Wizard> At least well documented - OpenFirmware, PMU, PowerPC architecture and so.[14:03:55] <me-1> opennes and apple are tow diffrents things(IMO)[14:04:20] <Lily> apple to contribute to a lot of OSS... cups, webkit, etc..[14:04:29] <me-1> Lily, it will require to do a lot of work to reverse engenner them[14:04:40] <Lily> me-1 sure, but it happens[14:04:53] <munchaus1n> except the first powerpcs with nubus[14:04:54] <me-1> they have dropped it for CUPS[14:05:04] <munchaus1n> but I guess they're too old anyhow[14:05:09] <Lily> They didn't drop cups[14:06:22] <Lily> munchaus1n mm i found 256 a bit too low for haiku :( I thought it would be fine but..[14:06:31] <Lily> I guess it's better than windows or most linux's[14:06:34] <Wizard> me-1: Actually, hardware in my powerbook is pretty well documented in different places (besides ATI graphics, as usual) and works under Linux.[14:06:43] <Wizard> So.. I don't see much troubles.[14:06:51] <me-1> there is 100s of 1000s of hardware combination so do haiku devs have to develop drivers for all of them..?[14:08:13] <Lily> me-1 it's possible, but most of this has been done by linux ... their efforts can be used to help write the haiku drivers, same with some of the BSD ones[14:08:29] <munchaus1n> me-1 - mostly, though they're using freebsd network drivers, gutenprint printers, gfx from mesa[14:08:51] <munchaus1n> and some stuff they just need to suport device class, e.g. usb mass storage[14:09:19] <me-1> I am getting very usefull info from you guys[14:11:27] *** me-1 has quit IRC[14:15:23] *** letharion has quit IRC[14:17:48] <Wizard> Too much info ;][14:17:58] <johnny_b> :)[14:18:14] <Wizard> Peer watches..[14:18:20] <Wizard> And has no mercy.[14:18:21] <johnny_b> i'd like to see haiku running on amd64 and arm[14:18:31] <johnny_b> not on old archs[14:19:12] <Wizard> I have pandaboard.[14:19:25] <Wizard> Wanna buy it and port? :>[14:19:44] <OmniMancer> johnny_b: the x86_64 port is going well[14:20:05] <OmniMancer> I think its currently one of the furthest along ports actually[14:20:13] <OmniMancer> since it actually boots into userland[14:20:25] <munchaus1n> I've noticed a few arm commits in the last few weeks[14:20:37] <munchaus1n> x86_64 port seems all but finished[14:21:07] <Lily> x86_64 would be pretty cool yeh[14:22:08] <munchaus1n> he started porting userland[14:22:13] <munchaus1n> and I believe its now self hosting[14:22:41] <Wizard> Whoa.[14:22:44] <munchaus1n> OmniMancer - sorry missed your posts[14:23:52] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[14:24:12] <munchaus1n> last commit on haiku home page says "Fixes for building Haiku x86_64 from itself"[14:24:30] <munchaus1n> There's no comments with it though[14:26:12] *** JsobCloud_ has quit IRC[14:26:28] *** kcj has quit IRC[14:26:31] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[14:27:23] *** kcj has joined #haiku[14:27:27] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[14:27:51] *** letharion has joined #haiku[14:28:54] *** JsobCloud_ has quit IRC[14:29:13] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[14:30:39] <johnny_b> haiku needs more PR :)[14:31:33] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[14:31:52] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[14:35:51] <munchaus1n> woohoo[14:35:56] <munchaus1n> libelf working in haiku[14:36:04] <munchaus1n> well, building at least[14:36:18] <munchaus1n> I was trying to use elftoolchain before[14:36:51] <munchaus1n> but it uses bmake, which is a massive pita and doesnt work under haiku. There's a linux/lgpl version of it that works fine though[14:37:22] <munchaus1n> Though I had to add a new system to config.guess because it was like "whats all this haiku business then?"[14:37:32] <munchaus1n> luckily it already knew about beos[14:38:22] <Wizard> :D[14:38:30] <Wizard> munchaus1n: What do you port?[14:38:48] <munchaus1n> ..libelf?[14:39:00] <mmu_man> what do you need it for ?[14:39:14] <munchaus1n> I'm trying to port my static analysis system that I'm developing at work to haiku[14:39:22] <Wizard> Parsing sindarin?[14:39:33] <Wizard> Ah.[14:40:13] <munchaus1n> It needs udis86 disassembler (done), libelf (now done), libdwarf (about to attempt) and prolog (have already ported swipl a couple of weeks ago, but fails many regression tests, due to threading and system calls stuff, need to fix)[14:40:46] <Wizard> Prolog. Oh my.[14:41:14] <munchaus1n> Once this is all working I can happily switch to working on haiku immediately when my thinkpad arrives[14:41:48] <munchaus1n> Lots of my work is in prolog... I take it that means you dont like it?[14:42:44] <Wizard> I can't tell. I used it once for some classes at university.[14:43:06] <Wizard> So you know, it was just basic fact matching.[14:43:34] <Wizard> At that point it was quite clear and funny.[14:44:57] <munchaus1n> It's quite difficult to get your head around at first[14:45:02] <munchaus1n> quite different to anything else[14:45:42] <munchaus1n> I'm using it basically as an SMT solver[14:46:13] <munchaus1n> Though later I intend to make a C (or probably C++) version[14:46:24] <mmu_man> thinkpad ? which model ?[14:46:33] <mmu_man> if it's a T510, forget about working :D[14:46:43] <munchaus1n> x61[14:46:54] <mmu_man> actually, depends on the video card, the ethernet should work in alpha4[14:46:57] <mmu_man> ah ok[14:47:11] <munchaus1n> I asked around first. I understand x61 pretty much everything works[14:47:35] <munchaus1n> Though I'd like to know that battery monitoring and cpu freq scaling and lcd backlight support work[14:47:43] <munchaus1n> Havent heard conclusively on that[14:48:38] <munchaus1n> are shared libraries in haiku .so files?[14:48:58] *** duvjones has joined #haiku[14:49:11] *** kcj has quit IRC[14:49:34] <OmniMancer> munchaus1n: what do you mean?[14:49:40] <OmniMancer> .so are shared libraries[14:49:41] *** nyl has joined #haiku[14:50:12] *** nyl has quit IRC[14:50:33] <munchaus1n> yes, thats what I mean. In some systems the extension .so is not used. Haiku uses .so?[14:51:19] <OmniMancer> yes[14:51:27] <munchaus1n> because I just built libelf and I only have a .a so I think I did something wrong[14:51:41] <OmniMancer> that is a static lib :)[14:51:45] <munchaus1n> yes, I know[14:51:56] <munchaus1n> :P[14:52:25] <OmniMancer> which is simply an archive of all the objects :P[14:52:52] *** jayrulez has quit IRC[14:53:36] <mmu_man> yes, .so we use[14:54:44] <munchaus1n> seems they dont support building .so in beos, so it isnt built in haiku either... something else to fix[14:55:37] <mmu_man> batt monitoring should work I think[14:55:42] <mmu_man> backlight not sure[14:56:35] <munchaus1n> install directories also completely wrong I believe[14:56:40] <mmu_man> munchaus1n: some projects just don't build shared libs on BeOS because they just didn't know how to do it, rather, they didn't search[14:56:59] <mmu_man> it's just -nostart instead of -shared (actually gcc should now accept both I think)[14:57:32] <mmu_man> or possibly just because they didn't detect libdl, because their test is flawed (like many autofools based test)[14:57:33] <OmniMancer> it does accept both now[14:57:36] <munchaus1n> where should include files and libraries like this go once built?[14:57:47] <OmniMancer> most of the tests are flawed :/[14:57:57] <mmu_man> 3rd party stuff should use /boot/common as prefix IIRC[14:57:57] *** nyl has joined #haiku[14:58:04] <munchaus1n> cool, thanks[14:58:15] <mmu_man> just configure --prefix=/boot/common[14:58:54] <munchaus1n> thanks. but it doesnt support that, for some reason they use the non-standard method of passing it as a parameter to make install[14:59:00] <mmu_man> you'll want to check CommonPortingProblems and PortingTips on http://ports.haiku-files.org/wiki[14:59:19] <munchaus1n> yep, already seen that when doing the swipl port[14:59:30] <Wizard> :)[14:59:49] *** hamishm has joined #haiku[15:00:48] <nyl> can anyone help unlock ami bios on asus laptop[15:00:51] <nyl> ?[15:01:01] <Wizard> Unlock?[15:01:11] <nyl> i have locked settings[15:01:24] <nyl> i need to disable one of my video cards[15:01:31] <nyl> and some other cpu settings[15:02:07] <nyl> i never modes a bios[15:02:07] <nyl> xD[15:02:29] <nyl> but i need it since i can't boot freebsd, haiku and reactos[15:03:33] <munchaus1n> nyl - tricky[15:03:39] <munchaus1n> look for guides on the internet[15:03:52] <munchaus1n> remove cmos battery[15:03:58] <munchaus1n> but might be impossible[15:04:14] *** hamishm has quit IRC[15:04:25] *** hamishm has joined #haiku[15:04:38] <nyl> i don't understand why the lock settings[15:04:49] <nyl> specially the video card ones[15:05:29] <OmniMancer> munchaus1n: the cmos battery is likely soldered to the main board in a rather inaccessible location since it's a laptop[15:05:50] <OmniMancer> nyl: not that surprising for a laptop, and does it have that nvidia optimus thing?[15:05:54] <nyl> it's Asus k93SV[15:06:03] <nyl> yea nvidia optimus[15:06:49] <nyl> mostly i get blackscreen[15:07:06] <nyl> or erros about videocard[15:07:07] <munchaus1n> you're more likely to find someone can help in a freebsd room tbh. there are more of them and its more likely someone has that hardware[15:07:09] <nyl> :([15:07:28] <nyl> gonna ask them[15:07:31] <OmniMancer> then it probably won't let you disable it to avoid windows driver issues[15:07:39] <nyl> haha[15:07:42] <nyl> xD[15:07:56] <munchaus1n> can also try flashing a different bios versin[15:08:08] <munchaus1n> but wait, is this a password lockout or something else?[15:08:35] <munchaus1n> beware that bios flashing can break things[15:08:41] <nyl> hidden settings[15:09:06] <munchaus1n> oh, then most likely forget cmos[15:09:09] <nyl> even in the manual[15:09:18] <munchaus1n> you probably need a different bios version or something[15:09:20] <munchaus1n> IDK[15:09:31] <nyl> i've seen cipset settings tab[15:09:32] <nyl> xD[15:09:52] <nyl> someone did unlocked the settings[15:10:00] <nyl> but link is dead[15:10:02] <nyl> :([15:10:05] <munchaus1n> see if it says on the manual screenshot a version number. find that version[15:10:12] <munchaus1n> tried archive.org?[15:10:29] <nyl> nope[15:10:43] <munchaus1n> put the dead address into archive.org and see if something comes up[15:11:36] <Wizard> Or use google cache.[15:12:14] <nyl> it's a sendspace link[15:14:37] <nyl> it's like they wanted it to be windows bound[15:14:38] <nyl> xD[15:14:53] <nyl> even tough it came with freedos[15:14:58] <munchaus1n> argh[15:15:10] <nortti> what?[15:15:23] <munchaus1n> cant figure out why libelf is refusing to build a shared lib[15:15:25] <nortti> computers come with freedos?[15:15:31] <nyl> yea[15:15:45] <nortti> where?[15:15:50] <mmu_man> nyl: it's not always possible to disable this optimus crap in the BIOS[15:16:21] <mmu_man> my thinkpad T510 here doesn't have the option (BIOS should be updated), so I'm stuck with an nvidia card I don't have a driver for[15:16:38] *** guest1212 has joined #haiku[15:17:54] <nyl> i've tested anything[15:18:09] *** guest1212 has quit IRC[15:18:21] <nyl> even something illegal sort off since i only own the dvd now[15:18:45] <nyl> all have issues with optimus crap[15:18:45] <nyl> xD[15:19:35] <munchaus1n> aha[15:19:36] <munchaus1n> got it[15:19:38] <munchaus1n> :)[15:20:04] <munchaus1n> I just need -fPIC -shared right?[15:20:16] <nyl> the funny part is that the illegal thingy actually booted[15:20:20] <munchaus1n> or does -shared do -fPIC automatically?[15:20:21] <nyl> xD[15:20:41] <nyl> but black screen and sound rolf lmao[15:22:02] * nyl sees a MILF at horizon[15:22:16] <nyl> damn...[15:22:39] *** letharion has quit IRC[15:22:55] <OmniMancer> munchaus1n: try -fPIC just to be safe[15:23:57] *** happy4crazy has joined #haiku[15:24:35] <munchaus1n> I'm being stupid[15:25:10] <munchaus1n> fPIC and DPIC are compiler options, -shared is linker, right?[15:25:22] <munchaus1n> so what's linked with -lc?[15:26:10] <munchaus1n> I'll try swapping it for lroot[15:26:51] <OmniMancer> no just remove it[15:27:02] <OmniMancer> root is automatically linked by gcc if you use gcc to link[15:27:41] *** rennj has joined #haiku[15:28:46] *** letharion has joined #haiku[15:29:12] *** volci has joined #haiku[15:32:21] *** duvjones has quit IRC[15:34:04] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[15:34:23] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[15:39:39] *** letharion has quit IRC[15:41:26] <munchaus1n> does haiku prefer libelf.so.<version_no> or libelf.<version_no>.so?[15:41:48] <munchaus1n> I'm assuming the latter[15:41:55] <munchaus1n> libelf defaults to former[15:42:38] <mmu_man> we don't really encode the version in the SONAME usually[15:42:50] <mmu_man> on libroot we use symbol versionning though[15:42:51] *** letharion has joined #haiku[15:43:14] <mmu_man> munchaus1n: libroot is always linked to by default[15:43:20] <mmu_man> it contains libc, libm and libdl[15:43:31] <nyl> http://forums.mydigitallife.info/threads/5863-Award-amp-AMI-Bios-mod-requests?p=621902&viewfull=1#post621902[15:43:42] <nyl> xD[15:43:49] <mmu_man> executables should be PIC by default also IIRC, as BeOS did[15:44:16] <mmu_man> since we allow openening even exes as DSO for replicants[15:44:26] <mmu_man> and libs as PIC too[15:48:33] <munchaus1n> ok, everything is working now, but it thinks I am using beos[15:48:38] <munchaus1n> what are feeling on this?[15:48:46] *** rdmr has joined #haiku[15:48:52] <munchaus1n> It wouldnt be too hard to change it to support haiku[15:49:13] <mmu_man> autofools ?[15:49:19] *** jayrulez has joined #haiku[15:49:26] <mmu_man> there is usually a case $os ... around[15:50:14] <munchaus1n> yeah there is[15:50:23] <munchaus1n> I've bascially lumped us in with linux/gnu[15:50:29] <munchaus1n> and it works[15:50:37] <mmu_man> tha'ts not very clean[15:50:37] <munchaus1n> minus a special case to remove -lc[15:50:55] <mmu_man> if there is a switch on $os it should have a haiku case[15:51:08] <munchaus1n> well there is[15:51:09] <mmu_man> now, it doesn't have to copy the beos one, most of the beos hacks we don't need anymore[15:51:13] <mmu_man> ok[15:51:17] <munchaus1n> and that is done right[15:51:25] <munchaus1n> but aclocal has a case too[15:51:32] <mmu_man> eh[15:51:53] <munchaus1n> and I've changed it to *-linux*|*-gnu*|*-beos*[15:52:00] <munchaus1n> I'll change it all to haiku though[15:52:14] <munchaus1n> But maybe I should make a seperate case[15:52:20] <mmu_man> ah that's probably just to filter out os it doesn't know about[15:52:24] <munchaus1n> The only difference is that they use -lc and we dont need it[15:52:30] *** letharion has quit IRC[15:52:34] <munchaus1n> yes, thats right[15:52:36] <mmu_man> in aclocal ?[15:52:41] <munchaus1n> aclocal.m4 yes[15:52:53] <mmu_man> hmm isn't that one autogenerated ?[15:52:57] <munchaus1n> no[15:52:59] <mmu_man> or copied by autocrap ?[15:53:08] <munchaus1n> make distclean doesn't remove it[15:53:16] <munchaus1n> It's handwritten[15:53:46] <mmu_man> well you can either copy the block and remove the -lc or have a secondary test, I guess, depending on the size[15:53:48] <munchaus1n> they add -lc to a var thats used for static linking[15:53:59] <munchaus1n> I've put a secondary test in[15:54:08] <munchaus1n> as the block is quite large[15:54:15] <munchaus1n> this seemed the best solution[15:54:19] <mmu_man> k[15:55:22] *** nyl has quit IRC[15:55:47] *** letharion has joined #haiku[15:56:15] <munchaus1n> changing to haiku it isn't happy. Not sure why but I'll figure it out[16:01:11] <Lily> I'm struggling setting up gmail using the haiku email stuff...[16:01:23] <munchaus1n> ok, done, it builds properly and has cases for haiku. All that remains is to make it automatically install in the right location[16:01:34] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[16:01:40] <Lily> it says network error but... I'm clearly online (speaking to you from it) and i don't see imap.gmail.com being down so...[16:01:53] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[16:05:47] *** Luko has joined #haiku[16:07:14] *** rdmr has quit IRC[16:07:25] <munchaus1n> mmu_man - I can't see an easy way to make this automatic. It doesn't support prefix for configure but does have an option to make install. Haiku ports should deal with this a custom make install command though I think?[16:10:20] <mmu_man> you can pass whatever you want in the .bep[16:11:49] <munchaus1n> cool[16:11:57] <munchaus1n> then libelf is done[16:12:40] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[16:12:52] <mmu_man> see for ex http://ports.haiku-files.org/browser//haikuports/trunk/app-cdr/uif2iso/uif2iso-0.1.7c.bep[16:13:08] <mmu_man> make install prefix=$(finddir B_COMMON_DIRECTORY) DESTDIR="${DESTDIR}"[16:14:04] <munchaus1n> aha ok, thanks[16:15:13] *** happy4crazy has quit IRC[16:16:23] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[16:16:23] *** JsobCloud_ is now known as JsobCloud[16:17:26] <munchaus1n> hmm. well libdwarf can't find libelf[16:18:04] *** Blub\w has quit IRC[16:19:06] <mmu_man> it probably doesn't search in prefix by default[16:19:38] <munchaus1n> If I installed to boot/common/include it should find the headers though, no?[16:23:28] <mmu_man> they are not in the default search path[16:25:42] *** mrsun has joined #haiku[16:29:57] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[16:30:16] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[16:30:38] <mrsun> ohh two contractors for the package management? :)[16:30:42] <mrsun> thats nice =)[16:30:47] <munchaus1n> So it seems haiku doesnt have anything in C_INCLUDE_PATH. It uses spec file normally?[16:31:52] <munchaus1n> ah I'm being a dumbass sorry, ignore think I've sorted it[16:34:18] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[16:34:37] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[16:35:39] *** negusnyul has joined #haiku[16:36:15] <munchaus1n> It screwed up the directories and installed to /boot/common/usr/local[16:37:25] <mrsun> thats the location for the usr directory in haiku[16:37:30] <mrsun> symlinked or whatever to /usr tho[16:37:37] <mrsun> but it points to /boot/common/usr[16:37:57] <munchaus1n> I think they should be installed to /boot/common/include[16:38:02] <munchaus1n> and /boot/common/lib[16:38:06] <mrsun> ahh[16:38:06] <munchaus1n> though, right?[16:38:10] <mrsun> the local prefix :P[16:38:13] <munchaus1n> yes[16:38:23] <munchaus1n> So I need 2 prefixes[16:38:24] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[16:38:25] <mrsun> or build[16:38:28] <mrsun> ... configure[16:38:36] <munchaus1n> ]one for configure and one for make install[16:38:45] <mrsun> ./configure --prefix=/usr[16:38:47] <mrsun> make[16:38:48] <mrsun> make install[16:38:55] <mrsun> ? :)[16:38:59] <mmu_man> we don't have a /usr[16:39:11] <mrsun> mmu_man, isnt there a symlink in / for it ?[16:39:14] <mmu_man> that's what /boot/common is for[16:39:21] <munchaus1n> I'm checking it out. Their README is confusing things[16:39:27] <mrsun> ahh[16:39:27] <mmu_man> mrsun: no and there is no reason to make one except laziness[16:39:28] <munchaus1n> thinks its fine though[16:39:31] <mrsun> yes .. now im stupid =)[16:39:54] <mrsun> long time since i was in haiku[16:39:56] <mrsun> and very tired[16:40:25] <mrsun> ./configure --prefix=/boot/common it would be then i guess =)[16:40:52] *** Spacewalker has joined #haiku[16:40:53] *** Spacewalker has joined #haiku[16:41:22] <munchaus1n> It's ok, I understand my confusion now[16:41:32] <munchaus1n> They have an option to make for distro builders[16:41:43] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[16:41:43] *** JsobCloud_ is now known as JsobCloud[16:41:50] <munchaus1n> make instroot=<directory> install[16:41:59] <munchaus1n> this is not to be confused with prefix=[16:42:25] <munchaus1n> so I've done configure --prefix=$(finddir B_COMMON_DIRECTORY) and I think all is fine[16:45:59] <munchaus1n> though I didn't build libelf with 64 bit support which may be unwise given haiku will supoort this soon[16:46:29] <munchaus1n> libdwarf basically seems to just build now, but again hasn't made a shared library[16:47:26] *** _marc` has quit IRC[16:49:39] <munchaus1n> mmu_man - libdwarf doesnt have an install target. What's best to do? I can make the bep manually copy the .so and includes or create an install target in the makefile... but the last option might not get accepted upstream since it seems they don't want an install target, and it might not be compatible with other systems[16:51:36] <mmu_man> munchaus1n: are they lazy or ?[16:51:42] <munchaus1n> I know[16:51:46] <mmu_man> I suppose creating a target could help others[16:52:16] <mmu_man> you can always keep the install target patch, haikuporter will apply it before building[16:52:44] <munchaus1n> Ok. So then do just a basic copy to <prefix>/include and <prefix>/lib[16:52:46] <munchaus1n> ?[16:54:13] <munchaus1n> Yeah their readme says "No real install target is provided here, so 'make install' does not do anything." followed by some talk about manually copying files[16:54:18] <mmu_man> usually ppl use 'install' the command to preserve perms[16:54:22] *** happy4crazy has joined #haiku[16:54:55] <mmu_man> well if it's by laziness maybe they'd accept a patch[16:55:11] <munchaus1n> The install just echos something about "No install provided" blah blah[16:55:18] <munchaus1n> Yeah ok I'll try and sort it out[17:00:25] <munchaus1n> mmu_man - just noticed libelf copies the .a as well as .so. Is this a problem?[17:00:27] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[17:00:46] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[17:01:54] *** fhein has joined #haiku[17:03:39] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[17:04:24] *** Negr0_VoP2P_LMin has quit IRC[17:05:46] *** qptain_Nemo has joined #haiku[17:05:57] *** jayrulez has quit IRC[17:06:05] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[17:06:24] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[17:07:28] *** tqh has joined #haiku[17:09:41] <mmu_man> munchaus1n: shouldn't be[17:09:43] *** DocPheniX has joined #haiku[17:09:57] <mmu_man> gcc will pick the .so by default I guess unless you ask for static build[17:10:29] <munchaus1n> I would think in general you'd only want the shared lib though?[17:11:27] <munchaus1n> anyway, if not a problem I'd rather not do more fiddling[17:11:37] <munchaus1n> I've got a working install for libdwarf now too[17:13:27] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[17:13:32] *** letharion has quit IRC[17:13:46] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[17:17:05] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[17:17:24] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[17:20:51] <munchaus1n> mmu_man - thanks for all your help. And sorry for the newb questions :)[17:22:44] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[17:23:03] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[17:24:24] *** letharion has joined #haiku[17:25:41] <mmu_man> np[17:27:28] *** [r4] has joined #haiku[17:29:23] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[17:29:42] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[17:35:29] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[17:38:43] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[17:38:43] *** JsobCloud_ is now known as JsobCloud[17:42:48] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[17:43:07] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[17:48:52] *** letharion has quit IRC[17:49:58] *** Negr0_VoP2P has joined #haiku[17:51:47] *** dcase has joined #haiku[17:52:53] *** letharion has joined #haiku[17:57:42] *** duvjones has joined #haiku[17:58:28] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[18:05:14] *** rdmr has joined #haiku[18:06:03] *** Blub\w has joined #haiku[18:08:54] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[18:10:18] *** jayrulez has joined #haiku[18:12:17] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[18:12:17] *** JsobCloud_ is now known as JsobCloud[18:15:17] *** _marc` has joined #haiku[18:20:14] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[18:20:29] *** happy4crazy has quit IRC[18:20:33] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[18:20:54] *** nyl has joined #haiku[18:23:50] *** duvjones has quit IRC[18:28:54] *** tqh has quit IRC[18:33:56] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[18:35:55] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[18:37:25] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[18:39:07] *** Luko has quit IRC[18:39:26] *** happy4crazy has joined #haiku[18:43:35] *** Spacewalker has quit IRC[18:44:14] *** Spacewalker has joined #haiku[18:44:14] *** Spacewalker has joined #haiku[18:47:05] *** Luko has joined #haiku[18:58:58] *** MatthewH12 has joined #haiku[19:00:55] *** Luko has quit IRC[19:03:48] *** negusnyul has quit IRC[19:07:47] *** Skipp_OSX has joined #haiku[19:08:50] <Skipp_OSX> well, cia.vc is back up...[19:10:06] <Skipp_OSX> what are the chances of getting commits updated on the website?[19:17:17] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[19:18:34] *** [r4] has quit IRC[19:20:03] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[19:20:03] *** JsobCloud_ is now known as JsobCloud[19:22:13] *** martinhpedersen has quit IRC[19:27:21] *** robert_negro has joined #haiku[19:32:58] *** tqh has joined #haiku[19:37:06] *** Ingenu has joined #haiku[19:39:08] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[19:39:36] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[19:39:55] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[19:41:18] *** DocPheniX has quit IRC[19:41:35] *** DocPheniX has joined #haiku[19:42:16] *** luko has joined #haiku[19:47:26] <luko> hi..[19:48:28] <luko> why Pulse aplication write for my Pentium G620 cpu (sock 1155) "Intel Unknown" ? when i have old board with socket 775 celeron then write correctly[19:50:24] *** nyl has quit IRC[19:53:22] <arfonzo> ahoy friends, hey luko.[19:55:56] <luko> hi arfonzo[19:56:12] <luko> i order usb sound card[19:57:14] <luko> i waint when arrive and after i happy go to test in haiku.. i know that haiku have some generic usb sound driver[19:57:44] <arfonzo> cool[20:00:33] <luko> and very nice Apple design :D[20:00:36] <luko> http://www.bazos.sk/img/1/530/17354530.jpg[20:02:47] <luko> ok i go away (reboot to windows xp and play starcraft 2)[20:02:49] <luko> :D[20:02:53] *** Kernel86 has joined #haiku[20:03:21] <luko> bye[20:05:34] *** luko has quit IRC[20:06:18] *** luroh has joined #haiku[20:12:20] *** rdmr has quit IRC[20:13:17] <jessicah> Lily: imap is basically broken atm, afaik[20:13:28] <jessicah> try using pop3[20:13:45] <Lily> ah right[20:13:47] <Lily> okay :)[20:13:48] <Lily> thanks![20:15:36] <jessicah> it's too early to be awake :([20:16:21] *** ddavid123 has quit IRC[20:18:27] <Lily> jessicah awhh, i'm heading to the pub in 20 minutes :P[20:18:50] <jessicah> it's 6am here[20:19:25] <Lily> it's 7:19pm here (19:19)[20:20:41] <jessicah> time for a cup of tea and some fluids[20:21:57] <Lily> :) Sounds good[20:23:35] <arfonzo> I use IMAP, but not gmail IMAP, so it's not completely broken... perhaps just with gmail.[20:24:02] *** idefix_gromit has joined #haiku[20:25:17] <jessicah> probably[20:25:32] <jessicah> i know gmail implements IMAP in crazy ways[20:26:14] <jessicah> isn't there still a risk of IMAP trashing your email account though?[20:26:24] <jessicah> on haiku, that is[20:27:08] <Lily> hmm[20:27:30] <Lily> maybe i'll have to look at it, maybe i can figure out the issue tomorrow and make a patch[20:30:00] <jessicah> there's a rewrite of the mail daemon underway for imap iirc[20:30:54] <Lily> oh right[20:42:26] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[20:47:34] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[20:55:45] <Lily> I'm heading out now, cya folks x[20:59:21] *** Xcyish has quit IRC[21:09:16] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[21:09:34] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[21:19:07] *** CommanderSpleen has quit IRC[21:24:20] *** idefix_gromit has left #haiku[21:29:28] *** XenoDuck has joined #haiku[21:33:01] *** paul0 has joined #haiku[21:35:02] *** Colin_Finck has joined #haiku[21:35:14] *** CommanderSpleen has joined #haiku[21:35:15] *** Colin_Finck has quit IRC[21:35:15] *** Colin_Finck has joined #haiku[21:46:19] *** _marc` has quit IRC[22:01:40] *** oco2 has joined #haiku[22:04:00] *** negusnyul has joined #haiku[22:07:07] *** fhein has quit IRC[22:13:41] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[22:13:41] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[22:18:07] *** vezhlys has joined #haiku[22:18:53] *** PasNox has quit IRC[22:25:19] *** Colin_Finck has quit IRC[22:26:33] *** tqh has quit IRC[22:29:54] *** robert_negro has quit IRC[22:37:30] <jstressman> omg... my new 24" flat panel just arrived...[22:37:40] <jstressman> I just switched from an old 15" CRT @ 1024x768[22:37:46] *** AutowiredConstru has joined #haiku[22:37:54] <jstressman> to a 24" e-IPS flat panel @ 1920x1200[22:37:59] <mrsun> hehe[22:38:04] <mrsun> everything gets so small[22:38:07] <jstressman> it's so vast... I have to turn my head physically to see the whole thing.[22:38:13] <Anarchos> jstressman lol[22:38:21] <Anarchos> jstressman welcome into the Matrix :)[22:38:24] <jstressman> I'm grinning like a fool. :D :D :D[22:38:30] <jstressman> this is my first flat panel.[22:38:42] <dreamed> heh nice[22:38:43] <jstressman> I've been on CRTs for the past couple decades up until right now.[22:38:47] <dreamed> gosh[22:38:50] <dreamed> welcome to the late 90s[22:38:51] <kallisti5> jstressman: i just got a 23" LED 1080p panel.. it's the bees knees[22:38:52] <dreamed> >_>[22:39:00] <jstressman> haha[22:39:02] <dreamed> I have a 22, a 23 and a 20 on my desk >_>[22:39:08] <dreamed> (also the laptop)[22:39:13] <jstressman> <-- poverty. ;)[22:39:19] <dreamed> yeah fair enough[22:39:22] <dreamed> been there[22:39:41] <dreamed> privileged enough to not be there now[22:40:51] <jstressman> :D[22:41:07] <jstressman> I tend to wander from prince to pauper and back many times throughout my life...[22:41:14] <dreamed> sounds like contracting[22:41:52] <jstressman> for the past 6 years or so I've worked for myself.[22:41:59] <dreamed> right[22:42:02] <dreamed> what do you do?[22:42:06] <jstressman> for the past few that's meant ~$500/mo[22:42:13] <dreamed> oof[22:42:28] <jstressman> design... basic sysadmin etc. pretty much I take care of a Japanese language learning website.[22:42:35] <jstressman> and do some odd jobs on the side now and then.[22:42:48] *** bemisfit has joined #haiku[22:43:24] *** augiedoggie sets mode: +o bemisfit[22:45:00] * dreamed nods[22:45:07] <dreamed> heh, I used to do similar things[22:45:12] <dreamed> got sick of working for myself though[22:45:16] <dreamed> particular re: design[22:45:16] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[22:45:17] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[22:45:17] *** JsobCloud_ is now known as JsobCloud[22:46:11] <dreamed> not that I was ever amazing at it[22:46:17] *** augiedoggie has quit IRC[22:48:07] *** augiedoggie has joined #haiku[22:48:46] *** bemisfit sets mode: +o augiedoggie[22:49:26] <CIA-58> mmu_man-github.sam460ex: mmu_man-github * 7f99a36bc71a8ea1d7a8c242ba9339e50530c9a8 : Merge branch 'master' into sam460ex[22:49:37] *** Spacewalker has quit IRC[22:49:53] <AlienSoldier> it's not normal, i used to be the one with the crapiest monitor, i have a 27 inch now[22:50:10] <AlienSoldier> you should all have 42 inch by now :)[22:50:28] <jezek2> why is bigger screen "better"?[22:50:56] <AlienSoldier> because it hide the cracks in the wall better :P[22:51:02] <jezek2> lol[22:51:43] *** robert_negro has joined #haiku[22:51:45] *** bemisfit has quit IRC[22:51:57] <AlienSoldier> ever saw the monitor in Darius Burst arcade version, that thing is wiiiiiiiiide[22:52:04] <jezek2> for me 19" CRT (comparable to 18" LCD) is about enough for me :)[22:52:07] <jezek2> bigger is not so great[22:52:19] <jezek2> neither smaller[22:52:20] <jezek2> :)[22:52:37] *** jayrulez has quit IRC[22:52:40] <jezek2> 18" 4:3 LCD, or 21.5" 16:9 LCD[22:52:45] <jezek2> to be more precise ;)[22:52:46] <johnny_b> what happened to the Haiku Human Interface Guidelines?[22:52:50] <AlienSoldier> i git the 27 inch version to be able to put it farther, it's more relaxing to the eyes[22:52:53] <AlienSoldier> *got[22:53:35] <jezek2> maybe you used too much brightness?[22:53:45] <jezek2> screens shouldn't be irritating you[22:53:50] <jezek2> properly set ones :)[22:54:10] <jezek2> LCDs are awful with their reflector-like brightness[22:54:11] <AlienSoldier> no, when it's small and you need to put it too close, your eye converge.[22:54:32] <jstressman> I like being able to have multiple windows up at a usable size, at the same time.[22:54:39] <jstressman> can't do that on smaller monitors.[22:54:50] <jezek2> I like to switch between windows and focus just on one at time :)[22:54:52] <jstressman> plus I'm getting old, so my eyes don't like things all tiny. ;)[22:55:13] *** robert_negro has left #haiku[22:55:30] <jezek2> AlienSoldier: so just increase fonts / DPI? or use screen with less PPI? :)[22:55:51] <jezek2> AlienSoldier: oh is that 27" with 1920x1080?[22:55:57] <AlienSoldier> yes[22:56:04] <jezek2> ah[22:57:07] <jezek2> so you have the same PPI as on my CRT, nice :)[22:57:23] <jezek2> I wonder why they do such high PPI displays...[22:58:05] <jezek2> (I have 1182x864 on 19" CRT, about 80 PPI)[22:58:23] <jezek2> er 1152x864 :)[22:59:17] <jezek2> also depends how the pixels are done[22:59:36] <AlienSoldier> i see the pixel but it does not bother me[22:59:52] <jezek2> like I have some 19" LCD 1280x1024 and while PPI is good, the pixels have vertical black bars in them from closeup[23:00:01] <jezek2> whereas on CRT they're nicely fully lit[23:00:13] <jezek2> as on some other LCDs[23:00:26] <jezek2> and I don't like that "matte" look of the pixels on that LCD[23:00:36] <jezek2> also pixels have little black borders around them[23:00:49] <jezek2> so they look "bigger" and more separated[23:01:29] <jezek2> I like the glossy LCDs, the colors are more ... "glossy" ;) just like on my CRT[23:01:37] <jezek2> for example iMac 27" LCD is great[23:01:50] <jezek2> but is has too big PPI[23:02:24] <jezek2> ~109 PPI[23:02:44] <jezek2> and the 2560x1440 resolution is quite big[23:02:59] <jezek2> it takes while to move mouse from edge to edge ;)[23:03:06] <jezek2> *awhile[23:03:15] <jezek2> even top to bottom :D[23:04:08] <AlienSoldier> i hope my monitor will not bust before 15 year[23:04:20] *** DocPheniX has quit IRC[23:06:15] *** DocPheniX has joined #haiku[23:07:19] *** stpere has joined #haiku[23:07:24] *** Megaf has quit IRC[23:07:45] *** dcase has quit IRC[23:13:39] *** jayrulez has joined #haiku[23:15:43] *** ktx has quit IRC[23:20:43] *** Megaf has joined #haiku[23:20:59] *** letharion has quit IRC[23:25:00] <AutowiredConstru> tur[23:25:09] <augiedoggie> d[23:25:12] <AutowiredConstru> th[23:25:13] <AutowiredConstru> x[23:25:24] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[23:30:08] *** jayrulez has quit IRC[23:30:24] *** letharion has joined #haiku[23:35:14] <jessicah> mmu_man: what is your sam460ex branch? :)[23:36:04] *** nsuperbus has quit IRC[23:38:47] *** happy4crazy has quit IRC[23:41:51] *** negusnyul has quit IRC[23:42:04] *** negusnyul has joined #haiku[23:43:16] *** Blub\w has quit IRC[23:44:26] *** kcj has joined #haiku[23:45:03] <mmu_man> jessicah: port to http://www.acube-systems.biz/index.php?page=hardware&pid=5[23:52:10] *** Beretta021 has quit IRC[23:53:33] *** Lily has quit IRC[23:53:40] *** Andeye has joined #haiku