August 19, 2012 
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August 19, 2012 [00:00:12] <jessicah> Lily: so do we call you lily now instead of jessica? :)[00:00:20] <jessicah> hey stargater[00:00:38] <jessicah> my middle initial starts with L[00:00:41] <Lily> haha :P you can do if you wish ;)[00:00:52] <Lily> I'm at an open source conference thing on my haiku netbook ^_^[00:00:55] <Lily> :D[00:01:03] <jessicah> :D[00:01:29] *** Spacewalker has quit IRC[00:01:30] <jessicah> haikudownunder is either just started, or starting soon also[00:02:41] <jessicah> i think in an hour[00:03:23] <jessicah> which conference are you at?[00:03:46] <Lily> oggcamp (http://oggcamp.org)[00:03:49] <ddavid123> I think in an hour[00:03:55] <Lily> I wish I could go to a haiku conference[00:04:00] <ddavid123> I think in an hour[00:04:13] <jessicah> it's an online one[00:04:17] <jessicah> afaik[00:04:21] <ddavid123> sorry for double posting[00:04:31] <jessicah> http://haikudownunder.com/[00:05:10] <jessicah> guess ustream won't work on haiku =/[00:05:33] <ddavid123> No, Haiku doesn't use flash[00:05:37] <Lily> :([00:05:51] <Lily> They should use something that works on haiku xD[00:05:53] <mmu_man> ustream...[00:06:15] <jessicah> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/haiku-down-under-2012[00:07:34] *** tqh has quit IRC[00:08:02] <jessicah> well html5 video doesn't work either atm, so web solutions aren't viable atm[00:08:27] <nortti> what about just having a http stream?[00:08:30] <mmu_man> well we have VLC[00:08:53] <mmu_man> they just need to put the direct link to the stream instead of an ugly swf player[00:09:18] *** ddavid123 has quit IRC[00:11:41] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[00:13:43] <Lily> I still haven't heard back again about translating haiku into na'vi they emailed me and said i could but i've been checking the translation webpage but i can't work it out :([00:13:49] <Lily> like it doesn't list na'vi[00:13:52] <Lily> so i'm not sure what to do[00:17:18] <mmu_man> anyone mailed ustream to ask them to make a website ?[00:17:25] <mmu_man> (flash is not part of the web)[00:17:54] <nortti> I agree[00:19:38] <jessicah> they made a new flash player version[00:20:04] <jessicah> to replace the old flash player version... lulz[00:20:11] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[00:20:11] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[00:22:02] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[00:22:39] <jessicah> Lily: have you asked what to do on the i18n mailing list?[00:24:27] *** happy4crazy has joined #haiku[00:28:29] *** happy4crazy has quit IRC[00:28:38] *** dimonov has joined #haiku[00:31:10] *** kcj has joined #haiku[00:34:40] *** duvjones has quit IRC[00:36:04] *** duvjones has joined #haiku[00:42:14] *** stargater has quit IRC[00:45:02] *** happy4crazy has joined #haiku[00:45:37] *** {V} has quit IRC[00:45:41] <mmadia> does http://lanyrd.com/2012/haikudownunder/ crash webpositive for anyone else?[00:46:14] *** {V} has joined #haiku[00:49:11] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[00:49:18] <mmadia> also, http://www.haiku-os.org/conference/2012_haiku_down_under_2012 for those interested.[00:50:14] *** ddavid123 has joined #haiku[00:51:35] <Disreali> mmadia: when is that happening?[00:51:45] <jessicah> 10mins[00:51:57] <Disreali> nice[00:52:29] *** pseudomind has joined #haiku[00:52:34] <mmadia> though, stpere mentioned an unexpected 30min delay (possibly)[00:52:55] <stpere> the best way is to join #haiku-au[00:53:14] <jessicah> ok[00:53:16] *** Animal-X has quit IRC[00:57:01] *** Lily has quit IRC[01:04:12] *** negusnyul has quit IRC[01:04:31] *** negusnyul has joined #haiku[01:05:26] *** happy4crazy has quit IRC[01:07:23] <ddavid123> Has the time changed for HDU[01:08:49] <Disreali> Sikosis is running late by maybe 30 minutes[01:09:21] <ddavid123> ok, thanks.[01:09:34] <Disreali> he posted a video on http://haikudownunder.com/[01:12:59] *** Spacewalker has joined #haiku[01:12:59] *** Spacewalker has joined #haiku[01:17:03] *** Premislaus_ has joined #haiku[01:18:50] *** mmadia has quit IRC[01:19:21] *** Premislaus has quit IRC[01:19:28] *** Premislaus_ is now known as Premislaus[01:19:53] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[01:19:53] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[01:29:54] *** Alam_Squeeze has quit IRC[01:29:57] *** CIA-68 has quit IRC[01:31:11] <ddavid123> I did not realize that #haiku-au was for registration.[01:33:20] *** Alam_Squeeze has joined #haiku[01:36:28] *** RISCi_ATOM has joined #haiku[01:41:33] *** duvjones has quit IRC[01:46:37] *** DocPheniX has quit IRC[01:48:34] <ddavid123> I am curious to hear the state of Haiku![01:49:02] <RISCi_ATOM> ^[01:49:22] <jessicah> lost in transit, apparently[01:49:38] <ddavid123> I guess so. lol[01:49:53] <mmadia> export IS_COMPUTER_ON=1[01:50:03] <ddavid123> that is public transportation for you.[01:50:06] <mmadia> echo $IS_COMPUTER_ON ;)[01:50:16] <jessicah> is the function in haiku?[01:50:22] * kcj exports mmadia[01:50:41] <mmadia> http://haiku.it.su.se:8180/source/xref/src/system/libroot/os/system_info.c#48[01:50:44] <jessicah> it is supposed to be a drop-in replacement for beos, afterall[01:51:16] <jessicah> \o/[01:51:27] <kcj> mmadia: lol line 55.[01:51:39] <jessicah> also part of beos[01:51:41] <jessicah> :D[01:52:02] <ddavid123> Sorry to say I never used BeOS[01:52:21] <jessicah> ddavid123: dun be sorry; that's awesome[01:52:34] *** glenford has joined #haiku[01:52:46] <jessicah> goes to show that the project can reach new users as well =^.^=[01:52:53] <jessicah> which is very important[01:53:01] <ddavid123> I suppose Haiku is a mutant clone of BeOS?[01:53:26] <jessicah> i dunno about mutant[01:53:30] <glenford> is there a standard language set for haiku development[01:53:42] <jessicah> c++[01:53:50] <ddavid123> Well, Haiku has abilities that BeOS did not.[01:54:15] <glenford> im mostly familiar with python guess im out of the pack[01:54:16] <jessicah> like wifi? well, sure. wasn't wifi then[01:54:24] <jessicah> there's python too[01:54:40] <jessicah> i think there are bindings to beapi in python also[01:55:00] <jessicah> installoptionalpackage -a python[01:55:14] <ddavid123> I have been keeping up with Haiku since Alpha 1[01:55:22] <jessicah> if python isn't in the image already[01:55:26] <mmadia> https://github.com/jalopeura/Haiku-API-Language-Bindings[01:55:41] <mmadia> the bindings are not available through installoptionalpacakge.[01:55:52] <jessicah> i meant for the language[01:55:56] <ddavid123> I am a ruby guy myself.[01:55:57] <mmadia> ah.[01:56:11] <ddavid123> not an expert, but likes to tinker a bit[01:56:17] <jessicah> although it would be nice if they were installed automatically for each language[01:56:27] <Premislaus> ddavid123: Haiku is an independent operating system. Binary compatible with BeOS R5 and POSIX compliant.[01:56:55] <ddavid123> Yea, I knew that.[01:57:05] <ddavid123> Thanks.[01:57:54] <ddavid123> You would have thought BeOS would have gone the route of Netscape and open sourced it.[01:58:21] <ddavid123> And all this would not be needed.[01:59:13] <ddavid123> But the challenge is worth it or none of you would still be here 11 years later![01:59:14] <Disreali> too much stuff was under nda, also PalmSource bought the IP[01:59:50] <ddavid123> nda: Non Disclosure Agreement?[01:59:56] <Premislaus> yes[02:00:04] <ddavid123> I hate them[02:00:08] <ddavid123> lol[02:00:52] <Premislaus> Do you want a well-paid job in IT? Sign DRM.[02:00:59] <Premislaus> *NDA[02:01:02] <ddavid123> Did any of BeOS technology ever get used by PalmSource[02:01:27] <Premislaus> probably not...[02:01:47] <ddavid123> probably became patient ware.[02:01:55] <ddavid123> patent[02:02:04] *** Spacewalker has quit IRC[02:03:48] *** DocPheniX has joined #haiku[02:04:06] <ddavid123> I guess we were very lucky that BeOS devs documented the API as well as they did![02:04:40] <Disreali> ddavid123: Palm used some, but it never really got to full production stuff[02:05:12] <Disreali> mostly they wanted to use OpenBinder which was eventually opensourced[02:05:42] <ddavid123> I mean if they did not, it would be impossible to write a replacement from scratch.[02:06:53] <ddavid123> Haiku would not have been possible.[02:07:48] <jessicah> beos's design helped a lot too, i think[02:08:02] <ddavid123> yes.[02:08:07] <jessicah> since you could run haiku replacements within beos itself[02:08:09] <Disreali> well, Be open sourced a lot before they got bought out, and documented the os so well[02:08:26] *** luroh1 has joined #haiku[02:10:01] *** luroh has quit IRC[02:11:38] *** negusnyul has quit IRC[02:13:28] *** jayrulez_ has joined #haiku[02:13:44] *** jayrulez has quit IRC[02:14:16] *** TimKack has joined #haiku[02:15:03] *** jayrulez_ has quit IRC[02:15:21] *** jayrulez has joined #haiku[02:16:42] *** TimKack has quit IRC[02:22:54] *** stargater has joined #haiku[02:23:04] <stargater> re[02:30:58] <ddavid123> looks like HDU is going to be a little late kicking off.[02:35:10] <mmadia> and it's on ustream now.[02:35:41] <ddavid123> not on my end[02:35:49] *** Cpy has joined #haiku[02:36:00] <kcj> HDU?[02:36:09] <ddavid123> Haiku Down Under.[02:36:10] <Cpy> Hey folks[02:36:13] <mmadia> http://haikudownunder.com/ http://www.ustream.tv/channel/haiku-down-under-2012[02:36:24] <kcj> Thanks.[02:36:58] <ddavid123> still off air.[02:37:51] *** happy4crazy has joined #haiku[02:40:54] <jstressman> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/haiku-down-under-20121[02:40:57] <jstressman> try that one.[02:41:06] <jstressman> (note the extra "1" on the end)[02:42:27] <kcj> Wow that's low quality.[03:03:15] <mmu_man> still flash :([03:04:13] *** qptain_Nemo has quit IRC[03:05:28] <kcj> Could they bump the quality?[03:13:35] <mmu_man> could they just use an open format ?[03:13:36] <mmu_man> anyway[03:13:36] <mmu_man> zz[03:19:11] *** kgoods has joined #haiku[03:19:15] *** stargater has quit IRC[03:21:12] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[03:21:29] <ddavid123> looks better from a distance[03:24:59] *** ddavid123 has left #haiku[03:31:48] *** jayrulez has quit IRC[03:35:50] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[03:48:37] *** jayrulez has joined #haiku[03:48:50] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[03:49:06] <kallisti5> mmadia: scgtrp: /window 4[03:49:14] <kallisti5> dangit. ^^ ignore[03:53:08] *** Xeon3D is now known as Xeon3D|Zzz[03:55:13] *** HaikuUser has left #haiku[03:55:58] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[03:57:03] *** 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#haiku[11:15:56] <jessicah> good morning brobostigon[11:16:12] <brobostigon> good morning jessicah[11:17:37] <jessicah> how're you?[11:18:48] <brobostigon> jessicah: just jumped out of the a cold bath, nicely cooling considering the hot weather, and am just having a cuppa tea. and you?[11:19:33] <jessicah> reading SMB specs published by MS[11:20:07] <jessicah> their "Windows Communication Protocols" they released is like 750MB worth of PDFs[11:20:08] <brobostigon> ah.[11:20:13] <brobostigon> ouch[11:20:16] <jessicah> but that's like a crapload of protocols[11:32:42] <jessicah> it's good to see stuff actually published by microsoft though[11:34:57] <jessicah> 354 PDFs, just for "protocols"[11:35:06] <jessicah> there are separate downloads just for Exchange alone[11:35:08] <jessicah> :p[11:35:08] <nortti> ugh[11:35:15] <brobostigon> wow[11:35:44] <jessicah> adding exchange support would be pretty cool[11:37:14] <brobostigon> :)[11:37:25] <jessicah> that and SMB[11:37:34] <jessicah> i 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Premislaus, Disreali[17:27:50] <Premislaus> hi hi[17:28:11] <Disreali> hi jessicah[17:29:30] <Premislaus> what's up?[17:29:59] <jessicah> mostly waiting for falling skies[17:32:44] <Premislaus> why?[17:33:33] <JonathanThompson> The End is Near![17:33:43] <JonathanThompson> (Well, at least the end of the season ;) )[17:38:31] <Disreali> jessicah: do you mean the tv show?[17:38:36] *** Hubert_ has joined #haiku[17:39:09] <jessicah> yah[17:40:13] <Disreali> I've not watched it. is it worthwhile?[17:40:28] <jessicah> i like it :)[17:40:49] <jessicah> which doesn't really mean much :p[17:41:27] <jessicah> i am awake at 3am waiting to watch though... lol[17:41:41] <Disreali> haha, I've learn to respect your tastes[17:41:47] <JonathanThompson> The puny humans need to start inflicting far more harm, or the series won't last too much longer :P[17:42:08] <jessicah> Disreali: :o[17:44:54] <Disreali> nothing bad. Your geekiness is similar to my own[17:45:11] <jessicah> :p[17:45:20] *** _marc` has joined #haiku[17:45:24] <jessicah> you like ocaml too?[17:45:45] <jessicah> i need a cup of tea...[17:45:53] * JonathanThompson notes jessicah is reaching now :P[17:46:03] <Premislaus> jessicah: I would look for the online version, or downloaded from the internet. We are legally download movies, books and music. But I do not share - crime.[17:48:42] <jessicah> JonathanThompson: yeah, i been awake for a long time[17:48:56] <jessicah> kind of doing work simultaneously[17:48:56] <Disreali> jessicah: I'm not much of a programmer, but since it is mentioned it a lot on this channel, I've looked at ocaml[17:49:03] <JonathanThompson> You ocaml pusher, you, jessicah :P[17:49:36] <jessicah> i can't help it if i'm a trend-setter ;)[17:50:14] <JonathanThompson> Or, once you're overtired, a send-tretter :P[17:51:07] <Disreali> atm, I'm reading a couple c++ books. I plan on updating a system monitor for Haiku. http://github.com/disreali/SystemInfo[17:52:10] <Disreali> oh! shark week is on discovery[17:52:25] <JonathanThompson> Disreali: deep show ;)[17:52:32] *** Colin_Finck has joined #haiku[17:52:33] <JonathanThompson> Lots of cameras endangered, too![17:52:37] <Disreali> lol[17:52:46] *** Colin_Finck has quit IRC[17:52:46] *** Colin_Finck has joined #haiku[17:52:54] * JonathanThompson feels sorry for the killed cameras: what did THEY do to deserve such a fate!???[17:53:30] <JonathanThompson> It's like they were bound and determined to ask a shark to open up and say "Ah!" and record it all, in the mouth: pure insanity![17:53:55] <JonathanThompson> If those people were truly serious, they'd go in whole-hog and put themselves in harm's way, instead of those defenseless cameras :P[17:53:58] <Disreali> I want to see the new MythBusters shark week show[17:54:37] <JonathanThompson> Do you get the feeling I don't like people all that much, based on these comments?[17:54:41] <Disreali> JonathanThompson: some of them do get in harms way, and live to regret doing so[17:54:57] <JonathanThompson> Some are lucky, and don't have regrets very long :P[17:55:11] <JonathanThompson> Hope they enjoyed the view, at least![17:55:13] <Disreali> JonathanThompson: we already know you don't like ppl[17:55:24] <JonathanThompson> What gave it away?[17:55:25] <Disreali> :)[17:55:46] <Disreali> you've mentioned it before[17:56:15] * JonathanThompson doesn't remember doing that before today :P[17:56:53] <Disreali> couple years ago[17:58:08] <jessicah> news to me :p[17:59:57] <JonathanThompson> I'm still pissed that the client of the company I'm working for/with insisted on getting my full address, phone number and SOCIAL SECURITY # in order to get VPN access in order to do work.[18:00:35] <Disreali> that is to much[18:00:39] <JonathanThompson> This client is the same client that has kids sign up for their online games without using https, and emails clear text passwords, and this is an online game that eventually can cost money.[18:00:51] <Disreali> yeah! mythbusters is on[18:01:58] <JonathanThompson> For some strange reason, that gives me the willies when they think they can use my identity in that manner.[18:02:14] <Disreali> indeed[18:03:00] <JonathanThompson> What boggles my mind (and this pisses me off, too) I read some of their code of conduct, and apparently, you can give a 7 digit number (at least, for some things)… but I didn't have that information.[18:03:35] <JonathanThompson> But why in hell can't they use employee ID number instead? I'm not at liberty to say who the client is, but they most certainly are large and have employee ID numbers.[18:06:32] <jstressman> jessicah: I'm a Falling Skies fan too... but it won't be out for another ~10 hours here I think.[18:06:59] <JonathanThompson> More than that where I'm sitting.[18:07:04] <jessicah> 10 hours? =/[18:08:43] <jstressman> jessicah: it's only noon here, and the show doesn't air until late this evening.[18:09:02] <JonathanThompson> It's just pass 9 a.m. here.[18:09:12] <JonathanThompson> past*[18:09:14] <jessicah> 4am here[18:09:28] <nortti> 19:09 here[18:10:26] <jessicah> i don't want to go to work today[18:10:35] <JonathanThompson> Neither do I! :P[18:10:40] *** Skipp_OSX has joined #haiku[18:17:17] <mmadia> Disreali -- just to make sure, are there tickets for your non-booting-anyboot systems?[18:18:13] <Disreali> not sure. I never submitted one, but I thought there were some already on trac[18:18:40] <Disreali> It has been awhile since I tried to boot a anyboot[18:19:06] <jessicah> does anyone have a mac that haiku actually runs on?[18:19:28] * JonathanThompson hasn't tried....[18:19:31] <mmadia> supposedly it worked at some point in the past, jessicah.[18:19:58] <jessicah> oh, i know it worked in the past. i used to have it installed[18:20:00] <Disreali> wasn't Skipp_OSX working on it[18:20:01] <mmadia> though the ticket reporters haven't done a binary search, to narrow the range.[18:20:21] <Cpy> does the mac version have stuff in for the special smc macs have?[18:20:24] <jessicah> but i have no idea what hrev that would've been, sadly[18:20:33] *** Cpy is now known as Lily[18:20:47] <mmadia> there is no 'mac version'.[18:20:50] <jessicah> you keep changing names :p[18:20:58] <Lily> jessicah haha yeh :P[18:21:06] <Lily> mmadia yeh sorry. I meant just the normal one xD[18:21:42] <jessicah> i'm fairly certain it's a filesystem/disk issue[18:22:02] <Lily> I'm just wondering as there can be issues with CPU voltage regulation and fan control and such[18:22:58] <jstressman> jessicah: http://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/BinarySearch[18:23:12] <jstressman> if you narrow it down, you could file a specific ticket and maybe get it fixed to work again. :)[18:23:26] <jstressman> (or maybe fix it yourself, since you do have some skills)[18:24:03] <jessicah> yeah; i just hadn't gotten around to it since i have to build from source[18:24:27] <jstressman> ah[18:24:28] <JonathanThompson> There's also always the distinct possibility that getting that working again breaks something else ;)[18:24:30] <jessicah> available images on haiku-files, none worked[18:24:46] <jstressman> how far back do those images go?[18:24:48] <jessicah> earlier hrevs had uhci issues, later hrevs, the white bar[18:24:52] <jessicah> not far[18:25:15] <jessicah> 34934[18:25:45] <jessicah> i'll have to try with some of the earlier macs i have and earlier builds[18:25:48] *** Premislaus has quit IRC[18:25:52] *** johnny_b has joined #haiku[18:25:53] <jessicah> maybe they won't have the uhci error[18:27:17] <mmadia> http://www.haiku-files.org/raw/2009/[18:28:26] <mmadia> theres also 2008 and 2007. hrev34934 is from jan-2010.[18:28:54] <jessicah> are there anyboot images of the same?[18:29:03] <mmadia> no, only raw.[18:29:15] <jessicah> do the raw images work from a pendrive?[18:29:17] <Lily> Ooo I am on a oldish nightly now but I noticed that python seems to fail if you try and import socket or re and maybe some other modules... it seems to not have some of the modules they try and import[18:29:36] <mmadia> it may or may not, depending on various things.[18:29:54] <mmadia> it would be better to mount the raw image and install it to the usb drive.[18:30:24] <jessicah> oh like in a vm?[18:30:28] * mmadia nods[18:31:19] <jessicah> mount inside existing haiku, and install the mounted version?[18:31:29] *** Colin_Finck has quit IRC[18:31:38] <jessicah> oh yeah; i remember it has a from selection box. i see[18:31:41] <jessicah> so just change that[18:31:52] <mmadia> yep. that's how i do my upgrades. (eg, leap frogging between partitions)[18:32:59] *** Spacewalker_ has joined #haiku[18:33:05] <jessicah> well, dun need a vm. have an HP box running haiku at work :)[18:36:19] <jstressman> Lily: someone was just mentioning that python import socket stuff in here a couple days ago. is there a ticket up already?[18:36:44] <mmadia> works here on 44550-gcc2h.[18:36:53] <jessicah> python?[18:37:07] <mmadia> yeah, import socket , import re.[18:37:23] *** dcase has joined #haiku[18:37:30] *** Spacewalker has quit IRC[18:37:31] *** Spacewalker_ is now known as Spacewalker[18:39:00] <Lily> jstressman i'm not too sure, if not i'll make one. It could have been me i think i mentioned it on friday, I sometimes come under a different nick[18:48:14] <jessicah> it's definitely spring time[18:48:19] <jessicah> heavy rain yet again[18:51:25] *** pseudomind has joined #haiku[18:52:10] <jstressman> Lily: you said you were on an older nightly. it might be fixed in the recent ones, as mmadia said.[18:55:35] <Lily> yeh i'll have to check when i get home, i'm at a open source conference so i can't really download much now[18:58:01] *** Spacewalker has quit IRC[18:58:24] *** Spacewalker has joined #haiku[19:00:49] *** dsjonny has joined #haiku[19:08:42] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[19:11:25] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[19:11:25] *** JsobCloud_ is now known as JsobCloud[19:11:45] *** kgoods has joined #haiku[19:12:35] *** PasNox_ has joined #haiku[19:12:58] *** PasNox has quit IRC[19:16:14] *** vooshy has joined #haiku[19:19:23] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[19:21:30] *** PasNox_ is now known as PasNox[19:22:43] *** Disreali has quit IRC[19:25:10] *** fhein has joined #haiku[19:26:34] *** tqh has joined #haiku[19:27:17] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[19:27:41] *** JonathanThompson has joined #haiku[19:32:28] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[19:44:50] <jstressman> I think I'll get back to work on the HDrop icons today...[19:45:02] <jstressman> never really got any feedback to my final questions yesterday :P[19:46:14] *** carter has quit IRC[19:46:21] <mmadia> HDrop? is that a replacement for CatchBox? :P[19:48:33] <jessicah> hdrop is old news. herebox is all the rage these days :p[19:49:05] <jessicah> jstressman: i'm pretty sure i replied with "ahuh", lol[19:52:37] <jstressman> haha[19:53:01] <jstressman> hrm... sikosis is probably going to release the hi-res video today...[19:53:16] <jstressman> I was more interested in ideas on the deskbar replicant icon.[19:53:26] <jstressman> eg; should it be basically like the network interfaces icon.[19:53:50] <jstressman> so have little connected, not connected, and transferring overlays...[19:54:11] <jstressman> nobody really gave me feedback on that, so I said I was just going to run on that assumption. :P[19:55:00] <jstressman> I'm a very literal person, so I get confused by all the names etc as well. ;) I like clear direction. :P[19:56:36] *** luroh has joined #haiku[19:57:17] *** happy4crazy has quit IRC[19:57:30] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[20:00:25] <jessicah> i'm sure i said ahuh for that :p[20:00:49] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[20:00:49] *** JsobCloud_ is now known as JsobCloud[20:02:44] <jstressman> jessicah: http://pastebin.com/y54q9vrE[20:03:36] *** _marc` has quit IRC[20:04:02] <jessicah> oh :p[20:04:22] *** rdmr has joined #haiku[20:11:29] *** Lily has quit IRC[20:16:18] *** stargater has joined #haiku[20:16:28] <stargater> hi[20:17:17] <jstressman> stargater: welcome back.[20:18:56] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC[20:20:44] *** Spacewalker_ has joined #haiku[20:23:27] *** Spacewalker has quit IRC[20:23:37] *** Spacewalker_ is now known as Spacewalker[20:24:41] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[20:26:11] *** negusnyul has quit IRC[20:26:25] *** negusnyul has joined #haiku[20:27:21] *** vooshy has quit IRC[20:34:45] *** oco has quit IRC[20:39:14] <stargater> jstressman: thanks[20:47:03] *** PasNox has quit IRC[20:52:04] *** judgen has quit IRC[20:53:03] *** stpere has joined #haiku[20:55:54] *** Beretta021 has joined #haiku[20:56:25] *** nsuperbus has quit IRC[21:08:10] <dreamed> morning[21:08:50] *** Disreali has quit IRC[21:11:33] <jstressman> http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d12/phreadom/catchbox2.png[21:11:57] <jstressman> better to stick with the one on the left (more contrast), or the one on the right (more like the Dropbox logo)?[21:13:01] <stpere> I prefer the one to the left personnally[21:13:26] <dreamed> prefer right[21:13:55] <jstressman> heh[21:14:02] <stpere> oh I see.. splitting votes already.. *sigh* (kidding, we are in elections here and am I an mood to argue :P)[21:15:24] <augiedoggie> "Please make sure your logo doesn't incorporate any part of the Dropbox logo and is clearly different from our logo."[21:15:46] <augiedoggie> I would argue that neither of them are clearly different[21:18:35] <jstressman> do we want an icon that visually implies at least a relationship to Dropbox?[21:18:49] <jstressman> I don't know how to approach it from that angle...[21:19:34] *** vooshy has joined #haiku[21:19:39] <jstressman> like is the dropbox part largely irrelevant? or a major point etc. I guess since I don't understand the functionality fully, I don't have good ideas on how to approach that aspect of it.[21:20:24] <jessicah> the logo on left looks fine to me[21:20:42] <jessicah> and doesn't resemble dropbox logo that much to me[21:21:17] <mmadia> http://imagebin.org/225140[21:21:35] <jessicah> herebox![21:26:28] <dreamed> coffee really doesn't go with lentils[21:27:33] * jstressman gives up.[21:27:35] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[21:28:58] <dreamed> tired brain is fun. I was just thinking .. drop box sounds an awful lot like drop bear - maybe the logo could be a box ... waiting in the treetops[21:29:17] <nortti> hmm[21:29:23] *** JonathanThompson has joined #haiku[21:30:30] <dreamed> (can you lurk in a treetop?)[21:30:43] <dreamed> just laying in wait for unsuspecting files to roam beneath[21:31:15] <nortti> :P[21:31:55] <nortti> what is dropbear then?[21:32:02] <jstressman> Australian thing.[21:32:05] <nortti> bear waiting on a treetop?[21:32:08] <jstressman> they drop out of trees and eat you or something.[21:32:11] <nortti> ok[21:32:13] <dreamed> it's an urban legend[21:32:20] <jstressman> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drop_bear[21:32:21] <dreamed> I presume it's based on koalas, to terrify tourists[21:32:30] <nortti> :P[21:32:41] <JonathanThompson> Where box? There box! (Stop speaking like that!)[21:32:54] * JonathanThompson wonders if anyone can name where that's paraphrased from :D[21:33:02] <dreamed> doctor seuss[21:33:07] <dreamed> surely[21:33:10] <JonathanThompson> Nope![21:35:02] *** dsjonny has left #haiku[21:38:04] *** dcase has quit IRC[21:38:49] * augiedoggie is thinking a mel brooks movie[21:39:00] <augiedoggie> hm, or is it python[21:39:02] * JonathanThompson hands augiedoggie the gold star TV[21:39:04] * dreamed has a sudden overwhelming urge to track down a copy of spaceballs[21:39:15] <dreamed> or maybe young frankenstein[21:39:28] * JonathanThompson rings bell, watches others salivate[21:43:19] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[21:44:06] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[21:44:45] *** Disreali has quit IRC[21:47:49] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[21:57:52] <jstressman> I wanted to do the icon for HDrop or whatever, but now due to all this legalese and lack of a concrete name etc, I've just lost interest. total pain in the arse.[21:58:17] * dreamed pats jstressman[21:58:20] <dreamed> there there[21:58:25] <dreamed> there'll be other icons[21:59:11] <Anarchos> jstressman what is HDrop ?[21:59:40] <JonathanThompson> And of all the stupid things: a BOX![22:00:18] <Disreali> it is supposed to be a dropbox client for haiku[22:00:39] <JonathanThompson> I'd suggest a box being held up via a parachute.[22:00:53] <JonathanThompson> Gets the idea across, if the box looks different enough, it's a box you drop.[22:01:13] <JonathanThompson> Just make it a really tiny parachute so it fits in the size of a reasonable icon :p[22:01:14] <dreamed> I like it[22:01:27] <mmadia> +1[22:01:28] <dreamed> or maybe a box that's landed, with a parachute draped over it[22:01:33] <dreamed> to save on vertical space[22:03:01] <jstressman> will someone actually settle on a name?[22:03:13] <jstressman> I'm not making an icon until I know what name it actually goes with.[22:03:31] <jstressman> not trying to sound rude. :P[22:03:56] <mmadia> what about "ThisSoftwareIsAHaikuDropBoxClientHoweverWeCannotCallItDropBox" ?[22:03:56] <jstressman> it just makes it uncomfortable to me not to know the name the visual is supposed to be representing.[22:04:04] * JonathanThompson has no decision on the name at all, just offering suggestions on how to delineate between client icon and host company's icon :P[22:04:18] <JonathanThompson> Parabox :)[22:04:35] <jstressman> mmadia: "When referencing Dropbox, please spell it as Dropbox, using a capital D and a lowercase b."[22:04:35] <jstressman> ;)[22:04:42] <jstressman> obey the legalese! ;)[22:04:50] <nortti> drop box[22:05:01] <JonathanThompson> Plop Box :P[22:05:09] <nortti> derp box[22:05:14] * JonathanThompson imagines a parachute holding up a box of shit :P[22:05:19] <mmadia> it could be a broken box, called "DroppedBox"[22:05:21] <jstressman> JonathanThompson: I like that idea at this point.[22:05:27] <nortti> jstressman: why?[22:05:36] <mrsun> is it today or yesterday haiku turned 11? :)[22:05:42] <jstressman> 2 days ago?[22:05:46] <mrsun> oh ....[22:05:47] <jstressman> the 17th?[22:05:53] <mrsun> anyways happy b-day haiku! =)[22:05:54] <jstressman> or is it the 18th?[22:05:59] <JonathanThompson> mrsun: hey, the age goes all the way to 11! :P[22:06:05] <mrsun> http://www.iscomputeron.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1212:haiku-goes-double-1&catid=1:latest[22:06:35] <jstressman> 18th. so yesterday (here).[22:06:46] <JonathanThompson> jstressman: honestly, they chose such a plain name that they made it difficult to trademark properly based on name alone.[22:06:57] <jstressman> http://www.freelists.org/post/haiku/Ok-lets-start[22:16:11] *** fhein has quit IRC[22:18:05] *** Spacewalker_ has joined #haiku[22:21:42] *** Spacewalker_ has quit IRC[22:21:45] *** Spacewalker has quit IRC[22:25:14] *** Negr0_VoP2P has joined #haiku[22:25:24] *** stargater has quit IRC[22:45:42] *** stpere has quit IRC[22:51:58] *** tqh has quit IRC[22:54:44] *** johnny_b has quit IRC[23:02:00] *** [r4] has quit IRC[23:02:11] *** duvjones has joined #haiku[23:04:10] *** vooshy has quit IRC[23:21:24] *** CIA-82 has joined #haiku[23:23:52] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[23:29:17] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[23:30:01] *** Blub\w has quit IRC[23:47:02] *** kgoods has quit IRC