August 15, 2012 
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August 15, 2012 [00:01:06] *** ddavid123 has joined #haiku[00:01:38] *** Ingenu has left #haiku[00:09:04] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[00:14:18] *** jayrulez has joined #haiku[00:16:15] *** negusnyul has quit IRC[00:17:36] *** negusnyul has joined #haiku[00:18:37] *** LjL has quit IRC[00:18:38] *** ksx4system has quit IRC[00:18:38] *** Blub\w has quit IRC[00:19:54] *** LjL has joined #haiku[00:21:39] *** ksx4system has joined #haiku[00:21:57] *** johnny_b has quit IRC[00:23:10] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[00:23:11] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[00:24:18] *** PasNox__ has joined #haiku[00:25:49] *** PasNox_ has quit IRC[00:27:17] <CIA-68> haiku.master: mmadia * hrev44531 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=51014b9 :[00:27:18] <CIA-68> Revert "ffmpeg: switch to 0.11.1" (hrev44483)[00:27:18] <CIA-68> This reverts commit 14b654326dc9c4b4ff38811672eb53e6723eece3.[00:27:18] <CIA-68> Unfortunately that changeset causes a regression on GCC 2, which[00:27:18] <CIA-68> makes playback of (some?) video impossible. This is due to Libavcodec[00:27:18] <CIA-68> being miscompiled, which requires gcc >= 4.2[00:27:19] <CIA-68> Resolves the regression of #8856, but does not fix the root issue.[00:27:20] *** NeonLich1 is now known as NeonLicht[00:31:46] *** sarcas has quit IRC[00:34:11] <jstressman> what was it about that change that absolutely required 4.2+ ?[00:34:29] <jstressman> there's no way to tweak the code to make it work on an older GCC?[00:34:48] <jstressman> (disclaimer: I very well may not understand the answer given. I'm just curious.)[00:35:58] <mmadia> "Compiler did not align stack variables. Libavcodec has been miscompiled and may be very slow or crash. This is not a bug in libavcodec, but in the compiler. You may try recompiling using gcc >= 4.2."[00:37:55] <dreamed> yeah.. that'd do it[00:41:16] <Premislaus> mmadia: but in gcc4 version may be the latest packages?[00:41:32] <jstressman> there's no way to fix that short of using a different compiler?[00:41:33] *** marc_ has quit IRC[00:41:39] <jstressman> it didn't look like there were that many code changes.[00:42:04] <jstressman> on another note... what's the deal with the ffmpeg / libav fork? seems it happened like a year ago, but I'm just hearing about it now.[00:42:10] <dreamed> wouldn't fixing a compiler involve upping the version number anyway? :P[00:42:37] <hamishm> is that because of some unsupported align attribute on stack variables?[00:42:46] <hamishm> or do newer versions of gcc simply align stack variables differently automatically?[00:43:16] <Premislaus> mmadia: why you reverted ffmpeg in gcc4h?[00:43:37] <mmadia> i reverted the whole changeset.[00:43:44] <jstressman> "Since the time of the fork, both Debian and Ubuntu have switched packages to use Libav instead of FFmpeg."[00:43:55] <jstressman> and Libav seems to be the one going to GSOC now...[00:43:57] <mmadia> ... i'm not a fan of having different versions of software for gcc2 vs. gcc4.[00:45:11] <jstressman> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libav[00:45:39] <Premislaus> mmadia: http://translate.google.pl/translate?sl=pl&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=pl&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fhaiku-os.pl%2Fnode%2F1456%23comment-4166[00:47:06] <mmadia> gcc4hybrids are an unsupported variant. i'm not going to discuss this anymore.[00:47:12] <jstressman> is that merely because the newer versions went multi-threaded?[00:48:14] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[00:49:47] *** NYL has joined #haiku[00:51:31] <jstressman> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2011-May/000891.html[00:51:33] <jstressman> just reading that...[00:58:39] <jstressman> nevermind...[00:58:40] <NYL> upgraded to latest nightly[00:58:58] <NYL> hmm[00:59:08] <NYL> still can't find openjdk apps[00:59:09] <NYL> xD[00:59:10] <jstressman> http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-870175-start-0.html reading that whole thread to the end (with the recent comments) makes me totally rethink things. :/ hard to find unbiased info.[00:59:27] <mmadia> openjdk isn't included in Haiku, NYL.[00:59:44] <mmadia> you'll need to read hamishm's blog to get the download package.[00:59:55] <mmadia> http://www.haiku-os.org/blog/hamish/[01:02:06] *** sambagirl has joined #haiku[01:02:29] <NYL> so why isn't it included in the nightlies?[01:02:43] <dreamed> java is icky?[01:02:46] * dreamed hides[01:02:59] <augiedoggie> for one thing nightly builds are for regression testing, so it only includes a fraction of the apps that the alpha has[01:03:01] <Sikosis> necessary evil[01:04:28] *** luroh has quit IRC[01:04:33] *** Skipp_OSX has quit IRC[01:05:30] <hamishm> also it's kinda huge at around 150MB[01:05:49] <hamishm> but yeah mostly it's icky[01:05:51] <Premislaus> mmadia: But users of gcc4h version can have the latest software. Unfortunately I can not download this version of ffmpeg that I want to use. Just like in Windows. I must to use this version, which was chosen by someone. That approach discourages people. A lot of time I spent on the promotion of Haiku. I could talk for hours about this, what I encountered reluctance.[01:06:35] <NYL> r1 or r2 will remove beos compatibility[01:06:36] <NYL> ?[01:06:42] <Premislaus> bye[01:06:45] *** Premislaus has quit IRC[01:07:15] <augiedoggie> not r1[01:07:25] <Sikosis> hamishm: it's 150mb uncompressed right ?[01:07:26] <augiedoggie> the whole goal of R1 is beos compat[01:07:43] <mmadia> After R1, it's planned to move beos compatibility to an (optional?) package for legacy compatibility[01:08:19] <hamishm> yes[01:08:27] <hamishm> the development kit at least[01:09:08] <hamishm> the runtime alone on the other hand is like 149MB[01:14:26] *** marc_ has joined #haiku[01:14:39] *** TimKack has left #haiku[01:20:42] *** marc_ has quit IRC[01:25:30] *** happy4crazy has quit IRC[01:27:13] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[01:27:50] *** PasNox__ has quit IRC[01:30:13] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[01:30:25] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[01:30:25] *** JsobCloud_ is now known as JsobCloud[01:30:59] *** TimKack has joined #haiku[01:31:29] *** paul0 has quit IRC[01:32:30] *** TimKack has quit IRC[01:46:03] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[01:49:26] <CIA-68> mmadia-github.separate-build-environment: mmadia-github * 48231f759b6d3b78c54a23e2d4450259c07d6a31 : Removed target_stdio_[pre,post].h [3 commits][01:49:56] <CIA-68> pdziepak-github.nfs4: pdziepak-github * ff4d16ded4782a2967ffa2413761c078516b2ae6 : nfs4: Use reserved port if possible [2 commits][02:02:54] *** jmelesky has quit IRC[02:03:37] *** stpere has quit IRC[02:09:03] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[02:12:13] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[02:12:13] *** JsobCloud_ is now known as JsobCloud[02:27:24] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[02:28:28] *** negusnyul has quit IRC[02:34:52] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[02:36:15] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[02:50:29] * Disreali waves[02:52:04] <jessicah> meow[02:52:56] *** redblue has quit IRC[02:56:21] <Disreali> how you doing jessicah?[02:57:46] <jessicah> okay, but looks like i can't use wifi in haiku at work[02:57:55] <jessicah> UI doesn't take a username[02:59:47] <Disreali> I've not yet needed to deal with wifi[03:00:00] <Disreali> does ifconfig work?[03:00:49] <jessicah> maybe if i can edit the config file[03:09:07] *** redblue has joined #haiku[03:10:39] <Disreali> LOL!!![03:11:21] <Disreali> video's on BBC go all the way to 11[03:11:34] <Disreali> the audio actuall[03:11:44] <jstressman> hehe[03:15:34] *** mattlacey has quit IRC[03:16:10] <jessicah> nothing working yet :([03:18:50] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[03:21:48] *** rjg has quit IRC[03:23:06] *** mmadia has quit IRC[03:31:07] *** rjg has joined #haiku[03:33:37] <CIA-68> haiku.master: kallisti5 * hrev44532 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=59c1ab8 :[03:33:37] <CIA-68> radeon_hd: add v1.4 dig encoder setup [7 commits][03:33:37] <CIA-68> * Add 1.4 encoder control used in latest HD 7xxx cards[03:33:37] <CIA-68> * Should make progress towards resolving #8859[03:39:53] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[03:40:50] *** un_spacyar has joined #haiku[03:41:31] <Disreali> jessicah: did you read this? https://www.haiku-os.org/guides/daily-tasks/wireless[03:43:25] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[03:43:25] *** JsobCloud_ is now known as JsobCloud[03:44:45] <jessicah> Disreali: yeah, i need wpa enterprise support[03:44:56] <jessicah> which doesn't seem to work yet[03:45:17] <Disreali> yeah, there is a ticket for that[03:45:51] <Disreali> mmm... beer :)[03:47:52] <Disreali> kallisti5: does that commit get the hd7xxx cards working, or is it just a step in the right direction?[03:55:50] *** qptain_Nemo has joined #haiku[03:56:42] <kallisti5> Disreali: it makes my HD 7xxx work[03:56:50] <kallisti5> ymmv :)[03:57:03] <Disreali> ;)[03:57:23] <kallisti5> i didn't want to say it was fixed without any one confirming[03:57:24] <Disreali> I'm just glad my hd2600pro works[03:57:47] <kallisti5> Disreali: keep me posted if it ever breaks[03:57:49] <jessicah> my hd3xxx mobility works over hdmi :p[03:57:55] <kallisti5> jessicah: does it?[03:58:11] <kallisti5> avoid anything other then 32-bit color[03:58:17] <Disreali> kallisti5: believe me, you will know if it does[03:58:22] <kallisti5> ;)[03:58:34] <Disreali> :([03:58:40] <kallisti5> :(([03:58:41] <Disreali> the beer is gone[03:58:57] *** qNemo has quit IRC[03:59:09] <kallisti5> bbl... doing some testing of my HD 6xxx laptop which never wants to work[04:00:12] <jessicah> okies :) good luck![04:00:13] <Disreali> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JImcvtJzIK8[04:00:37] <Disreali> my comment reminded me of this really cool video[04:01:41] *** ismd has quit IRC[04:02:07] *** ismd has joined #haiku[04:04:14] *** ITY has joined #haiku[04:04:52] <ITY> Am I right in thinking that Haiku cannot play DVD Movies?[04:05:19] <jessicah> mediaplayer can't[04:05:26] <jessicah> vlc possibly can[04:05:48] <ITY> returning "access_file : read failed (Invalid device ioctl)" from VLC[04:06:51] <jessicah> then maybe not... :p[04:07:35] <Disreali> ITY: haiku does not distibute the files/libs needed to play DVD's for legal issues. vlc may play dvd's. not sure[04:08:08] <ITY> trying a spread of discs as we speak...[04:08:32] <ITY> ah, Disreali, that's making some sense[04:08:34] <Disreali> some play, some don't. that was my experience[04:09:24] <Disreali> OMG!!! there is a new 'my favorite pony' show out???[04:09:37] <Disreali> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3W02NsP_mxE[04:09:57] <ITY> Mainstream US movie titles - 0. I've found one european disc that seems .... to be working ... hang on[04:11:16] * Disreali dies laughing[04:16:52] <ITY> ...yes, that one plays nice. and it's US not Euro. No copy protection? Some made for TV thing.[04:17:01] <ITY> oh well, it's a start[04:19:02] *** qptain_Nemo has quit IRC[04:41:15] <un_spacyar> hello[04:47:18] <un_spacyar> anyone knows what joysticks / joypads are supported in Haiku?[04:49:14] <CIA-68> pdziepak-github.nfs4: pdziepak-github * c0344ea198e280a3e8f23191262e2d7fffe9ff0c : nfs4: Get correct change value for attribute directories [2 commits][04:54:36] *** pseudomind has joined #haiku[05:07:33] <Disreali> un_spacyar: not sure if any joysticks are supported atm. I have a Logitech coreless Rumblepad that works fine with snes9x[05:08:44] <Disreali> there is a Joysticks pref that is not in the standard image because it crashes if usb devices are connected[05:10:21] *** ITY has quit IRC[05:10:35] <Disreali> If you build your own images you can include "stickit" which is a shows if the buttons and analog controls on a game device work[05:10:43] <un_spacyar> thanks for the answer, Disreali[05:10:48] <Disreali> np[05:11:17] <un_spacyar> I was thinking to buy a Logitech Rumplepad[05:11:17] <Disreali> not many people are actually here at this time of day[05:12:44] <Disreali> the Rumblepad2 is great. there are newer models, but either the wired or cordles rumblepad2 is all you really need[05:12:51] <un_spacyar> would be good if can be used in Haiku too[05:13:01] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[05:13:46] <Disreali> the newer models do not really have any more needed functions[05:14:26] <un_spacyar> in my country, are very few models to choose, anyway... :P[05:14:29] *** diver has quit IRC[05:14:40] <Disreali> oh, they definitely work in the recent Haiku nightlies. don't bother with the Alpha3. it is way old[05:15:19] <un_spacyar> nice. I'm using a nightly build too[05:15:35] <Disreali> i've heard that the m360 for pc controller also works, but I can'tconfirm[05:15:56] <Disreali> s/m360/ms360[05:16:25] *** almostworking has joined #haiku[05:16:37] <Disreali> yeah. the nightlies are the only wat to go these days[05:16:40] <un_spacyar> It is the Xbox controller?[05:16:49] <Disreali> yes[05:17:49] *** ITY has joined #haiku[05:17:54] <Disreali> the guy that ported many of the emulators to BeOS/Haiku uses it, so he made sure it works[05:18:29] <un_spacyar> I remember that time ago, was the "beEmulated" page[05:20:35] <Disreali> yeah. it is still there. only the index page was "on maintenence"[05:22:10] <Disreali> http://www.beemulated.net/arcade/multi.phtml[05:22:35] <un_spacyar> direct to my "bookmarks" :D[05:23:18] <Disreali> :)[05:29:47] *** almostworking has left #haiku[05:33:59] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[05:34:05] *** helf has joined #haiku[05:34:08] <helf> aloha[05:34:18] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[05:34:25] <un_spacyar> hi[05:34:44] <helf> sup?[05:35:08] <un_spacyar> sup? I dont understand[05:36:03] <helf> "What is up" as in "How are things going for you?"[05:36:18] <helf> regional slang, I suppose[05:36:21] <un_spacyar> ooohh sorry :)[05:36:26] <helf> np :)[05:36:33] <un_spacyar> english is not my native language[05:36:46] <helf> I forget that is the case with a lot of people on IRC :)[05:36:55] <helf> What is your native tongue?[05:36:59] <un_spacyar> Spanish[05:37:02] <helf> ah, cool[05:37:11] <un_spacyar> I'm from Argentina[05:37:18] <helf> I attempted to learn spanish in grade school.[05:37:33] <helf> I never did have a knack for languages.[05:37:37] <un_spacyar> yes? is a bit complicated[05:37:55] <helf> its not too bad, its mostly the remembering grammar structure and the words themselves[05:38:31] <un_spacyar> the different verb's conjugations is tricky[05:39:04] <helf> I probably sounded like a caveman trying to speak spanish[05:39:49] <helf> someone tries to talk to me in spanish I resort to "Mi hablo espanol un piquito"[05:39:53] <helf> which im not even sure is correct[05:41:52][05:42:04] <un_spacyar> :)[05:42:13] <helf> see, told you :p[05:42:40] <un_spacyar> I suppose that is easier to us to speak english, because the TV and movies[05:42:43] <helf> I use english structure with foreign words[05:43:01] <un_spacyar> well, we do the same, in english... :P[05:43:04] <helf> yeah, america has exported a lot of its 'culture' that way[05:43:12] <helf> heh[05:43:54] <helf> A cousin of mine can speak 3 or 4 languages fluently, converse in another couple, and read a few more. It is insane[05:44:02] <un_spacyar> wow[05:44:09] <helf> He works as a translator[05:44:41] <un_spacyar> well, actually I'm studyng japanese[05:44:44] <jessicah> i haven't really gotten much beyond "hello, my name is jessica" in mandarin[05:44:45] *** stpere has joined #haiku[05:44:55] <jessicah> i really need to get back into my studies[05:45:03] <un_spacyar> lol[05:45:11] <helf> heh[05:45:15] <helf> I dabble in other stuff[05:45:16] <dreamed> the only things I can say in mandrin directly relate to wushu[05:45:26] <jessicah> wushu?[05:45:29] <helf> I can 'read' german, spanish, etc OK, but i cant speak it at all[05:45:34] <dreamed> chinese martial arts[05:45:35] <helf> hey dreamed[05:45:42] <dreamed> which most people call kung fu (erroneously)[05:45:42] <jessicah> oh[05:45:44] <dreamed> hey helf[05:46:08] <helf> thats because kung fu sounds more awesome[05:46:24] <dreamed> gong fu translates loosely as fortitude or inner strength or something[05:46:31] <dreamed> anyone can have it for any discipline[05:46:43] <dreamed> it was used to measure one person over another because you couldn't compare martial styles[05:46:51] <helf> ah, cool[05:46:51] <dreamed> so his gong fu is stronger than his[05:46:52] <dreamed> etc[05:46:52] <jessicah> did the volcano erupt again?[05:46:59] <dreamed> iunno[05:47:01] <jessicah> it smells like rotorua outside today[05:47:09] <helf> where are you?[05:47:10] <jessicah> i feel like i'm in the wrong city[05:47:13] <jessicah> palmerston north[05:47:15] <dreamed> heh[05:47:24] <dreamed> well, I know a lot of people who would agree with you on that[05:47:26] <dreamed> >_>[05:47:27] <helf> I want out of my little town so badly[05:47:48] <un_spacyar> where are you, helf ?[05:47:58] <helf> I'm in Alabama, USA[05:48:11] <helf> its a nice city, really. I just want to go to a different area[05:49:03] *** diver has joined #haiku[05:50:27] <un_spacyar> you want to move to a bigger city?[05:52:05] <ddavid123> Can't get much bigger than New York or LA[05:52:43] <helf> I have family in DFW[05:52:46] <helf> I plan on moving out there[05:54:31] <jessicah> i like my little city[05:54:57] <dreamed> little can be nice, if things you're passionate about are enhanced by it[05:55:11] <jessicah> the sky looks weird today[05:55:26] <jessicah> sun through the ashy haze[05:55:56] <helf> dreamed: yeah[05:56:02] <helf> honestly, my little city is pretty great.[05:56:15] <helf> I just like traveling and there arent that many job opportunities here right now[05:56:58] * dreamed nods[05:57:31] <helf> the city and outlying area is like 30k[06:00:29] <dreamed> pretty much anywhere can be good for photography, depending what you're into[06:00:38] <dreamed> so I'm reasonably happy with that[06:00:56] <helf> yeah, I love photography[06:01:00] <dreamed> since I mostly seem to lean towards landscape and portrait[06:01:05] <dreamed> heh I just bought a new camera[06:01:06] <helf> I hope to afford a good camera at some point in my life[06:01:15] <dreamed> http://www.hoodoo.co.nz/post/29453570283/mine[06:01:31] <jessicah> i hope to get a new battery so i can use my nokia n95 again for photos[06:01:40] <dreamed> dealxtreme?[06:01:45] <jessicah> it still does an alright job for most stuff[06:01:49] <helf> thats supposed to have a pretty good camera, right?[06:01:54] <jessicah> i never seem to get my goods with dealextreme[06:02:00] <jessicah> yeah, it's not too bad[06:02:00] <helf> i have access to a digital rebel xt[06:02:02] <helf> its.. ok[06:02:02] <dreamed> jessicah: possibly that's for the best[06:02:16] <jessicah> hmm?[06:02:17] <dreamed> I don't like canikons[06:02:18] <helf> with better lenses it might be pretty good[06:02:25] <dreamed> jessicah: it's not exactly high quality stuff[06:02:29] <jessicah> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jessic4h/sets/72157623343973613/[06:02:36] <jessicah> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jessic4h/sets/72157628124364192/[06:02:43] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[06:02:43] <jessicah> helf: some pictures i've taken with my n95[06:03:07] <helf> dreamed: my favorite shot from that rebel - http://www.flickr.com/photos/helfer/6384452801/[06:03:09] <dreamed> that's a really astoundingly good camera for what it is[06:03:26] <dreamed> that's nice[06:03:28] <helf> damn, thats awesome[06:03:50] <jessicah> that's a cool photo, helf :)[06:04:01] <helf> thanks[06:04:02] <dreamed> http://www.flickr.com/photos/hoodooyoudo/7716357060/in/photostream/lightbox/ seems to be my most popular one recently, though it's with the m8.2 not the new camera[06:04:12] <helf> i hate the fact everyone seems to set the compression on their phones to like 80%[06:04:23] <helf> so, regardless of the supposed quality, the output is garbage on most phones[06:04:33] * dreamed winces[06:04:44] <helf> thats pretty nice[06:05:06] <dreamed> the weather's been so bad lately, night shots with long exposure have been the easiest things to achieve[06:05:09] <dreamed> heh[06:05:11] <jessicah> the skycity tower looks so bland up close[06:05:13] <jessicah> and so small[06:05:15] <helf> "our phones can do 8mp! but youll get an artifacted to hell 2mb jpeg! lolol"[06:05:26] <dreamed> skycity is meh[06:05:55] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[06:05:55] *** JsobCloud_ is now known as JsobCloud[06:06:10] <helf> btw. that sunset was taken on my first day at yellowstone last semptember[06:06:10] <un_spacyar> well, I must go to sleep[06:06:15] <helf> yellowstone = the awesome[06:06:17] <helf> night un_spacyar[06:06:19] <un_spacyar> good night to everyone[06:06:33] <dreamed> nn[06:06:42] <dreamed> yellowstone does sound neat[06:06:44] <un_spacyar> Disreali, thanks for your help.[06:06:48] <un_spacyar> bye!!![06:07:02] <Disreali> later[06:07:24] *** un_spacyar has quit IRC[06:08:53] <helf> I like this pic - http://www.flickr.com/photos/helfer/6385483315/in/set-72157628098796817[06:08:58] <jessicah> http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5016/5469651123_1bc24e190f_o.jpg < probably one of my best photos[06:09:01] <helf> we destroyed my poor jettas struts. ive GOT to get new ones soon[06:09:16] <helf> oh i like that[06:09:57] <jessicah> not even edited[06:10:00] <helf> I quite liked these - http://www.flickr.com/photos/helfer/6385140587/in/set-72157628098796817/lightbox/[06:10:11] <helf> dreamed, you really gotta go on a trip there. its not even that expensive if you just camp[06:10:17] <dreamed> I love that ...... that's the manawatu yeah?[06:10:24] <jessicah> yup :D[06:10:27] <dreamed> helf: I would, 'cept it's in america[06:10:39] <dreamed> travel there is against my belief system[06:10:42] <helf> dont let that small issue put you off! :p[06:10:46] <jessicah> went trail running that day through the gorge track[06:10:51] <dreamed> my belief system being I believe I shouldn't have to go through TSA bullshit ever[06:10:53] <helf> belief system being "no moniez" ?[06:10:55] <jessicah> we underestimated how long it would take[06:10:58] <helf> oh[06:11:05] <dreamed> jessicah: doh[06:11:20] <jessicah> it was pitch black darkness, around 9pm, when we finally got all back together[06:11:25] <helf> heh[06:11:41] <jessicah> two of us stayed at the end, while other two went back to the start[06:11:42] <helf> http://www.flickr.com/photos/helfer/6385278811/in/set-72157628098796817[06:11:48] <jessicah> they were gonna drive back and pick us up[06:12:06] <jessicah> in the end, a couple driving past picked us up and drove us back to the start[06:12:11] <jessicah> and then waited for other two[06:12:23] <jessicah> were almost at the point of calling police or smth for help[06:13:16] *** mattlacey has quit IRC[06:13:19] <dreamed> yikes[06:14:01] <jessicah> went home, had kfc[06:14:08] <jessicah> was a good night, in the end :)[06:14:40] <dreamed> heh[06:14:44] <dreamed> apart from the kfc? ;)[06:14:56] <helf> mmm, KFC[06:14:57] <jessicah> lol[06:15:10] <jessicah> potato & gravy with chips is the bestest =^.^=[06:15:21] <helf> :D[06:15:22] <dreamed> I did enjoy that when I could eat it[06:15:26] <helf> I love their mashed potatos[06:15:33] <jessicah> omg, so want right now[06:15:37] <helf> me too[06:15:38] <helf> damn you[06:15:53] <helf> but i spent my lost bit of cash on a drink[06:15:57] <helf> last[06:16:18] <jessicah> i have my replacement credit card today; can buy stuff again :)[06:16:49] <helf> my credit card is useless at the moment :p[06:16:52] <helf> im slowly paying it down[06:17:09] <helf> being unemployed has its downsides[06:17:24] <jessicah> every time i've been to bank regarding my credit card, they're all like "here's something new you're automatically eligible for"[06:17:37] <jessicah> new gold mastercard, visa debit card...[06:17:45] <helf> yeah, they suck you in[06:17:51] <helf> i killed my amex and i just have my visa left[06:17:52] <jessicah> gold mastercard would be useful if i were travelling overseas[06:17:55] <jessicah> but not atm[06:17:58] <helf> but its $140 over limit at the moment[06:18:02] <jessicah> and debit card? eww[06:18:07] *** macaroni has joined #haiku[06:18:09] <helf> whats wrong with debit cards?[06:18:13] <helf> i use the hell out of mien[06:18:13] <jessicah> i make a profit using my credit card[06:18:29] <jessicah> debit card is the flexibility of a credit card, without the rewards :p[06:18:30] <helf> 'eh? cash back incentives ?[06:18:35] <jessicah> at least here[06:18:35] <helf> yeah, exactly[06:18:40] <helf> less reason to use it for crap :p[06:18:43] <jessicah> yeah, i get 1% back on my mastercard[06:18:57] <helf> do you have really low interest and not cary a balance?[06:19:01] <helf> because otherwise...[06:19:05] <jessicah> i get around somewhere around $200 back/year[06:19:17] <helf> and what do you spend in interest for said year?[06:19:20] <jessicah> dun carry a balance, because i always pay in full, it's interest free[06:19:22] <ITY> stopped using my Amex becuse Chase gave me cash instead. Gotta love credit cards.[06:19:31] <helf> ah ok[06:19:52] <helf> I liked my amex but it was a very bad idea for me to have[06:20:37] <jessicah> it's like anything. if you budget correctly, and are aware of the terms & conditions, it can either work for you, or against you[06:20:44] <jessicah> mine works for me :)[06:21:02] *** macaroni has quit IRC[06:21:33] <helf> exactly[06:21:44] <helf> when you are 23 and you have no spending limit and.. and...[06:22:01] <dreamed> credit cards and I really didn't mix well[06:22:05] <dreamed> I still use a debit visa heh[06:22:10] <jessicah> and... you end up with the worst credit history :p[06:22:14] <dreamed> no debt though[06:22:19] <helf> yeah[06:22:26] <helf> i destroyed my credit rating in 18 months[06:22:30] <ITY> mine works for me. Always has. but my GF.... thats different. She's scared to own one. Poor thing.[06:22:33] <helf> so im working on fixing that and being responsible[06:22:36] <helf> its a foreign concept :p[06:22:37] <jessicah> my online loan is my student loan[06:22:40] <jessicah> only*[06:22:54] <jessicah> i pretty much have great credit :D[06:22:55] <helf> my debt is fairly low[06:23:02] <helf> not counting what i just acrued starting school, i have about $4kj[06:23:15] <helf> i *had* great credit :p[06:24:15] <jessicah> :)[06:24:25] <helf> im young[06:24:28] <helf> ill fix it quickly enough[06:24:42] <ITY> sadly, I have to burn a DVD in Ubuntu, back later. have fun... (reboot).[06:24:44] <helf> i just turned 25.[06:24:54] <jessicah> see you ITY[06:25:00] <ITY> :)[06:25:04] *** ITY has quit IRC[06:25:21] <jessicah> oooh, you're so old helf! :p[06:25:40] <helf> quarter century![06:25:44] <helf> im 1/4 done dying[06:26:26] <dreamed> 32 here[06:26:33] <dreamed> hard to forget my age[06:26:44] <CIA-68> haiku.master: nielx * hrev44533 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=5c4ceff : Update translations from Pootle[06:26:48] <dreamed> first two digits of millenium + second = my age / 20 + 12 = my age[06:26:50] <dreamed> ;)[06:26:58] <dreamed> the birthday's amusing though. christmas eve.[06:27:00] * dreamed rolls eyes[06:27:00] <helf> heh[06:27:12] <helf> my december and januaries are busy[06:27:17] <helf> holidays and LOTS of birthdays[06:27:37] <helf> ok wtf[06:27:41] <helf> apparently chex mix never goes bad[06:27:49] <jessicah> my birthday is in january[06:27:52] <helf> i opened this bag on the 29th. it sat in my car for like 1.5 weeks[06:27:54] <helf> then on my desk[06:27:58] <helf> they arent stale[06:28:16] <dreamed> I had an ex gf who drilled her birthday into me so hard it's the only other birthday I remember[06:28:20] <dreamed> jan 10 :P[06:28:24] <helf> lol[06:28:29] <helf> i forget mine a lot..[06:28:34] <helf> ill never remember anyone elses[06:28:41] <dreamed> I don't normally celebrate mine[06:28:48] <helf> mines the 29th of july. i didnt even notice it was my bday on my trip last month[06:28:50] <jessicah> double the 0, you get mine[06:28:51] <jessicah> 18th[06:28:54] <dreamed> I've learned that not celebrating other peoples' can be .. less than optimal[06:28:55] <helf> my sister suddenly remembers half way through the day[06:28:58] <dreamed> especially when it's your wife[06:29:13] <helf> only if they think its that important[06:29:19] <dreamed> apparently she did, yes[06:29:23] <dreamed> that didn't go down well[06:29:27] <jessicah> it's important[06:29:56] <helf> but why?[06:30:03] <helf> people put so much into birthdays and anniversaries[06:30:06] *** jayrulez has quit IRC[06:30:08] <helf> ive never really understood[06:30:11] <dreamed> I always found mine super depressing[06:30:15] <dreamed> since everyone else was away[06:30:19] <dreamed> barely anyone ever came[06:30:30] <helf> aw[06:30:36] <jessicah> i haven't had a birthday party in many years[06:30:38] <dreamed> and then, when in adult years[06:30:41] <jessicah> also for same reason[06:30:43] <dreamed> my parents always managed to find a way to ruin it somehow[06:30:44] <dreamed> heh[06:30:49] <dreamed> fair enough[06:31:00] <helf> i just tend to ignore mine :p[06:31:00] <jessicah> makes me sad[06:31:04] <helf> my sisters refuse to let me, tho[06:31:15] <jessicah> i think next year, i gonna go overseas for birthday[06:31:25] <dreamed> anywhere in particular?[06:31:27] <jessicah> so that my friends can actually be at my birthday[06:31:31] <dreamed> helf: the trick is going away for the day[06:31:34] <jessicah> prolly malaysia[06:31:39] * dreamed nods[06:31:45] <jessicah> since many of my friends come from malaysia[06:31:47] <helf> yeah but i forget its my birthday[06:31:51] *** NYL has quit IRC[06:31:52] <helf> and then they surprise me with delicious cake[06:31:53] <jessicah> and go back there during holidays[06:32:14] <jessicah> cake![06:32:23] <jessicah> i haven't even had a cake...[06:32:23] <helf> my oldest sister is an amazing cook[06:32:40] <jessicah> omg, you're making me sad[06:32:44] <jessicah> :p[06:32:48] * dreamed didn't really like cake even when he could eat it[06:32:54] <helf> yeah well, go buy some KFC with yer money :p[06:33:04] <jessicah> :)[06:33:07] *** Dane_ has quit IRC[06:33:10] <jessicah> still at work. later[06:33:13] <helf> its 11:30pm my time, i usually go get food[06:33:18] <helf> but im too broke at the momnent. sigh[06:33:31] <dreamed> doh[06:33:59] <helf> im hoping i can scrounge up a job soon since school is starting back[06:34:06] <helf> and all the teenagers will be dumping their summer jobs[06:34:23] <helf> i was away on road trips when school let out.. all the jobs got sucked up :p[06:35:37] <dreamed> what's your skill set?[06:36:36] <helf> IT[06:36:50] <helf> nothing super advanced, i guess[06:36:58] <helf> i kinda dicked around the past 6 years[06:37:48] <dreamed> sounds like you're where I was around then[06:37:50] <dreamed> for much the same reason[06:37:51] <dreamed> heh[06:38:07] <dreamed> I picked up soho support by car as a job[06:38:22] <dreamed> then used that to get in on a desktop rollout at my previous workplace, moved through service desk to sysadmin team[06:39:10] *** stargater has quit IRC[06:39:31] <helf> yeah, i can do a lot of random stuff[06:39:43] <helf> but most things im qualified for in no-how require degrees[06:39:56] <helf> and even with 6-7 years of experiewnce, they still want the damned degrees[06:40:12] <dreamed> I'm lucky here that that's not an issue[06:40:19] <helf> i said fuck it and now im in school for a certificate for wind turbine technician[06:40:22] <dreamed> but with a population as small as ours, we value experience over certs[06:40:28] <dreamed> everyone ends up doing multiple things anyway[06:40:30] <helf> nice[06:40:39] <dreamed> we have wind turbines[06:40:46] <dreamed> (see previous photo of jessicah's heh)[06:40:54] <dreamed> possibly ... smaller scale[06:40:54] <helf> its huge here and they havent enough techs[06:40:59] <helf> so it shouldnt be too hard to get with a company[06:41:20] <helf> this school helps place you, too. so.. we will see[06:41:46] <dreamed> right[06:41:47] <dreamed> good luck[06:41:49] <dreamed> sounds interesting[06:41:58] <dreamed> probably not good for someone with acrophobia though[06:42:03] <helf> probably not[06:42:17] *** bbjimmy has joined #haiku[06:42:22] <helf> requires LOTS of travelling, heights, mechnical knowledge, electrical knowedge, etc etc[06:42:25] <helf> sounds like a lot of fun[06:42:46] <helf> the cert is aimed at wind stuff specifically, but youll be qwualified for lots of industrial jobs[06:43:53] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[06:45:43] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[06:46:10] <jessicah> neat :)[06:46:50] <dreamed> ^[06:49:34] <helf> I dont think I could spend the rest of my days watching over servers again[06:49:57] *** mattlacey has quit IRC[06:50:32] <dreamed> I was big into virtualisation / vmware vcenter stuff[06:50:36] <dreamed> but now I'm doing .. TSM[06:50:41] <dreamed> still not sure if want[06:50:51] <dreamed> I'd love to work with Apple kit, but it's so limited here[06:50:59] <kcj> Hey helf.[06:53:22] <jessicah> i have four imacs in my office :)[06:53:40] <dreamed> how often does someone need to manage that? ;)[06:53:47] <dreamed> which is kinda my other point[06:53:54] <dreamed> depends largely on the infrastructure[06:54:04] <dreamed> not many places use macs at the level of infrastructure I normally deal with[06:54:40] <jessicah> hamish deals with the macs mostly[06:54:45] <jessicah> manages about 300[06:55:03] <jessicah> will get bigger as we start managing staff desktops[06:55:07] <dreamed> that sounds fun[06:55:11] <jessicah> a lot of people use macs here at uni[06:55:38] <dreamed> universities are the biggest customer of them in most places, still[06:55:56] <dreamed> but that's a highly contended job which doesn't often pay well[06:56:10] <dreamed> because it's nearly always employing an ex-student that doesn't know what they're worth, to some extent[06:56:36] <helf> yeah[06:56:51] <helf> thats one reason i left my old job.. i was stuck in perpetual part-time with no real chance for going fulltime[06:56:56] <helf> and the pay kinda sucked[06:57:00] <dreamed> mm :/[06:57:00] *** ddavid123 has left #haiku[06:57:00] <helf> it was a really cushy job, though[06:57:09] <dreamed> cushy gets boring[06:57:20] <helf> when our rickety old boxes i was limping long didnt die i was playing video games[06:57:22] <dreamed> and then, depressing[06:57:22] <helf> yeah, exactly[06:57:25] <helf> ^^[06:57:35] <helf> i did get to spend craploadws of taxpayer money, tho[06:57:40] <dreamed> heh[06:57:53] <helf> when you get a grant, you gotta spend it ALL or they think you dont need it and wont give you that much again, its retarded[06:57:58] <dreamed> yep[06:58:08] <helf> my work pc was a server grade xeon box with a gamer video card just because we had money to blow[06:59:12] <helf> they had some minor video project they wanted to do that a $500 pc coulda handled just fine[06:59:27] <helf> they asked me one day what they should get and i jokingly said "a pimped mac pro is the only thing that can handle it"[06:59:31] <helf> two weeks later[06:59:39] <helf> a $16k mac pro showed up on the loading dock[06:59:43] <helf> :|[06:59:47] <dreamed> lmfao[07:00:06] <dreamed> see[07:00:09] <kcj> helf: You win.[07:00:10] <dreamed> there's your problem[07:00:13] <dreamed> you didn't ask for _two_[07:00:15] <helf> hey kcj :)[07:00:19] <helf> lol yeah[07:00:27] <kcj> How've you been?[07:00:41] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[07:00:46] <helf> dreamed, they wanted some redundant storage for a photo archive[07:00:54] <helf> its quite a bit of stuff, but they had this insanely large grant[07:01:01] <helf> i ordered TWO 16tb drobo pros[07:01:07] <helf> one is still sitting on a shelf collecting dust[07:01:18] <helf> and the way the grants work, you CANT spend the money on things you could actually use[07:01:21] <helf> its. so. dumb.[07:01:28] <helf> kcj, ive been good, you?[07:01:39] <kcj> Reasonable.[07:01:47] <kcj> Sold that iPad?[07:01:52] * dreamed hehs[07:01:59] <helf> nope[07:02:08] <helf> decided i should keep everything expensive i actually use since im broke[07:02:16] <kcj> :)[07:02:18] <helf> i cant replace a 64gb ipad 3 anytime soon[07:02:26] <kcj> Yeah.[07:02:35] <helf> and i bought a clamcase off a friend[07:02:37] <helf> its. amazing.[07:02:38] <helf> i love it.[07:02:47] <helf> clamcase + quasar = who needs a laptop? :D[07:03:16] <kcj> Me. Touchtyping <3[07:03:31] <helf> http://www.flickr.com/photos/helfer/7763316434/sizes/o/in/photostream/ <-- took for a friend a few days ago after i got some stuff working[07:03:35] <helf> i can touchtype on the case[07:03:40] <helf> its a pretty large keyboard[07:03:56] <kcj> dat res[07:04:02] <helf> http://www.flickr.com/photos/helfer/7593447732/in/photostream[07:04:04] <helf> see? :D[07:04:09] <helf> yeah, the resolution is epic, too[07:05:13] <kcj> Oh, /that's/ what you meant by "clam-case."[07:05:29] <kcj> Want.[07:05:59] <kcj> Although I'd probably go for the android equivalent.[07:06:02] <jessicah> that's pretty neat :)[07:06:38] <helf> kcj, ive thought about it[07:06:47] <helf> but i have so much money invested n iOS software, it'd be pretty stupid to dump it[07:06:52] <helf> even tho i like a lot of android stuff[07:06:57] <kcj> Yeah.[07:07:01] <helf> and since my ipad is jailbroke, i can do plenty of nice things with it[07:07:03] <kcj> I'm a free man.[07:07:08] <helf> I love my iOS apps[07:07:13] <helf> iOS has *the best* games[07:07:26] <helf> SmartGo is amazing[07:07:32] <kcj> Yeah, because they have paying customers.[07:07:40] <helf> exactly[07:07:40] <helf> :p[07:07:42] <jessicah> doesn't have deadlight[07:08:12] <helf> deadlight?[07:08:19] <jessicah> http://deadlightgame.com/[07:08:26] <kcj> helf: Does the bottom half of that clam-case have anything in it?[07:08:41] <helf> bottom half?[07:08:56] <kcj> Where the keyboard is.[07:09:29] <helf> what do you mean?[07:09:33] <helf> its just a bluetooth keyboard[07:09:37] <helf> with its own battery[07:09:41] <helf> jess, that looks cool[07:09:52] <kcj> Ah.[07:09:53] <helf> jessicah: i mostly play board/strategy games, tho[07:09:57] <helf> iOS has a plethora of those ^_^[07:10:06] <jessicah> i don't play a lot of games[07:10:07] <helf> im not a huge gamer. my brother is, tho[07:10:13] <helf> i only play a couple[07:11:15] <helf> ive gotta get back into DF soon[07:11:24] <helf> he's added a ton of stuff and i havent played in awhile[07:11:38] <kcj> helf: Could you run a Linux distro in a virtual machine on that thing?[07:13:07] <helf> uuuuuh[07:13:10] <helf> doubt it[07:13:20] <helf> there is "DOSPad" i think[07:13:23] <helf> its a dosbox port[07:13:56] <kcj> Someone should get on that.[07:14:06] <helf> meh[07:14:11] <helf> i just ssh into other boxes[07:14:13] <dreamed> what on earth would be the point?[07:14:18] <helf> and i have full terminal support[07:14:35] <helf> iOS has a full CLI after you jailbreak it[07:14:46] <kcj> Bash?[07:14:58] <helf> yes[07:15:02] <kcj> :)[07:15:04] <helf> look at that screenshot again[07:15:56] <kcj> Nice.[07:16:05] <helf> im running bash on mine, with screen, and most other cli tools[07:16:28] <helf> i get a solid day of heavy use out of my ipad[07:16:31] <helf> i love it[07:16:57] <helf> all you have to do is keep the screen to your liking brightness wise and the ipad 3 has insane battery life[07:17:46] <kcj> Yeah, I don't like bright screens unless it's sunny.[07:17:53] <kcj> I like my retinas.[07:18:01] <helf> if they go with a smaller process and a more power efficient screen manufacturing process, they should be able to get 18+ hours of normal use out of the ipad4[07:18:02] <dreamed> oddly I find the thing that drains my iPad battery faster than anything is the Dark Horse comics app[07:18:05] <dreamed> streaming anime? no problem[07:18:08] <dreamed> gaming? no problem[07:18:09] <dreamed> comics? wtf[07:18:15] <helf> weird, dreamed[07:18:20] <helf> is yours a 3?[07:18:23] <dreamed> mmhmm[07:18:34] <helf> is it using the gpu for scaling or anything?[07:18:56] <dreamed> likely[07:19:01] <helf> my ipad ran for a few minutes over 18 hours straight in airplane mode with the screen dimmed for nighttime reading[07:19:13] <helf> i had a battery measuring app running so thats actual time :p[07:19:56] <helf> i get 8-12 hours of use out of it with wifi/bt on and the screen at the brightness levels i prefer[07:20:37] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[07:21:27] <jessicah> i'm so tired[07:21:30] <jessicah> i wanna go home[07:21:35] <dreamed> I'm about to[07:21:38] <dreamed> well[07:21:42] <dreamed> about to go to a mate's[07:21:56] <helf> im wide awake[07:23:19] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[07:23:28] <dreamed> crap. I just realised what the commute to his place is going to be like[07:23:33] <dreamed> maybe I should go home and pet the cat first[07:23:34] <jessicah> at least i can take my eeebox home, and start hacking away at haiku :)[07:23:39] <dreamed> heh[07:23:45] <dreamed> I want to go take photos[07:23:48] <jessicah> lol, pet the cat[07:23:49] <helf> hey! this is a family friendly channel, dreamed ! :p[07:24:01] <dreamed> don't make me show you pictures of it[07:24:27] <helf> i just added some bearded bloke to my flickr contacts[07:24:45] <helf> is that you, dreamed ?[07:25:31] <jessicah> dreamed is hoodooyoudo or smth[07:25:48] <dreamed> yep[07:25:56] <helf> aha, ok[07:26:02] <helf> i didnt pay attention to flickr account names earlier[07:26:09] <dreamed> heh[07:26:23] <jessicah> s/a/4/ gives my flickr name[07:27:21] <helf> http://www.flickr.com/people/jessic4h ?[07:27:36] <helf> care if i add you as a contact?[07:28:11] <helf> too late! just did[07:28:44] <jessicah> nooooooooooo![07:28:51] *** [r4] has joined #haiku[07:28:53] <dreamed> I already did, also[07:28:54] <dreamed> :P[07:29:10] <jessicah> zomg, i'm popular today[07:29:32] <helf> :D[07:29:32] <mrsun> haha[07:29:39] <stpere> lol[07:29:39] <helf> you just got men hanging off you[07:29:41] <CIA-68> haiku.master: stpere * hrev44534 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=c383753 :[07:29:41] <CIA-68> Tracker: TextWidget editing flaws[07:29:41] <CIA-68> TextWidget tried to detect if the editing box would span outside the PoseView,[07:29:41] <CIA-68> but it was using an hardcoded value of 1 for the minimum left value. But in Icon mode,[07:29:41] <CIA-68> negative values can occur. Change to use the view's origin (top left corner of the view).[07:30:00] <mrsun> women in geek channels cant have it easy ... =)[07:30:02] * jessicah sighs[07:30:03] <dreamed> I add everyone who shows me their flickr[07:30:11] <jessicah> flickr *always* has login issues[07:30:21] <dreamed> yeah, it's awesome for login[07:30:35] <helf> ive had the same yahoo login for like 10 years[07:30:50] <helf> mrsun: yeah, im sure its gotta get annoying in some places[07:30:52] <stpere> I'm so addicted to commits.. sigh :P[07:31:02] <dreamed> stpere: you say that like it's a bad thing[07:31:10] <stpere> it is. to a point[07:31:30] <helf> no its not[07:31:30] <stpere> I mean, it's 1:31AM here, my brain is still boiling[07:31:33] <helf> keep having no life[07:31:36] <helf> i want mah haikus[07:31:47] <stpere> there is no way I'm asleep until 7:00 AM[07:31:48] <stpere> :P[07:31:58] <stpere> and then it's my last day of vacations[07:32:00] <helf> im hoping to get a 2nd or 3rd shift job[07:32:03] <helf> i prefer being up at night[07:32:12] <mrsun> helf, and no wonder that they kinda get scared away from chat channels either =)[07:32:22] <helf> heh[07:32:32] <helf> people thought I was a chic for a long time for some reason[07:32:37] <helf> in here[07:32:39] <stpere> guys, you know that's so wrong :P[07:32:39] <helf> I have no idea why[07:33:23] <kcj> jessicah: Wait, you're an NZer?[07:33:29] <jessicah> yus[07:33:40] <helf> you, kcj, and dreamed should have a get together[07:33:49] <jessicah> did i just get suddenly more awesome? :p[07:33:58] <stpere> there is Haiku down under soon also in your area[07:33:58] <dreamed> <- from wellington, in auckland[07:34:02] <jessicah> omnimancer too[07:34:05] <dreamed> mmhmm[07:34:10] <dreamed> though he's down south somewhere[07:34:11] <kcj> jessicah: You live ~30km away from me.[07:34:15] <jessicah> chch[07:34:27] <jessicah> 30km?[07:34:29] <jessicah> hmm[07:34:34] <kcj> Yes.[07:34:43] <jessicah> let me look see...[07:34:46] <mrsun> nz is awsome[07:34:51] <mrsun> just look at lord of the rings[07:34:55] <helf> dreamed: speaking of heights - im DYING to get to go to this - http://www.desertusa.com/mag07/sept07/skywalk.html[07:34:58] <mrsun> the landscapes i could kill for =)[07:35:26] <helf> heh[07:35:31] <mrsun> helf, yeah .. dying is the word[07:35:31] <helf> I really want to visit NZ[07:35:37] <helf> i love heights[07:35:38] <dreamed> mrsun: to be fair, you get very similar landscape in oregon[07:35:42] <mrsun> when it breaks of and falls down[07:35:50] <mrsun> dreamed, but thats not nz[07:36:02] <helf> oregon < NZ[07:36:09] <jessicah> kcj: in a town, or in the countryside?[07:36:21] <mrsun> want to go to scotland etc also out to the coast[07:36:23] <helf> mrsun: im fairly certain they overbuilt that thing :p[07:36:35] <mrsun> helf, pfft[07:36:37] <kcj> jessicah: Town.[07:36:41] <mrsun> everything breaks if i walk on it[07:36:44] <jessicah> there aren't a lot of towns around where i live[07:36:59] <jessicah> so like, shannon, feilding, sanson, ashhurst, paihatua[07:37:00] <helf> mrsun: then again, they also probably think they overbuilt it[07:37:02] <mrsun> you could have a planet made totaly in diamond and it would shatter as soon as i set a foot on it[07:37:18] <kcj> jessicah: Close.[07:37:21] <helf> jessicah: i like how your town names got weirder and weirder as they progressed just then[07:37:27] <jessicah> kcj: either way, you're in biking distance[07:37:30] <jessicah> opiki?[07:37:44] <kcj> Nope.[07:37:47] <helf> paihatua? is that native for something?[07:37:48] <mrsun> gah need to go do the work i hate the most :([07:37:50] <mrsun> sigh[07:37:54] <helf> whats teh work?[07:37:57] <dreamed> helf: nothing on the aus towns[07:38:04] <helf> oh god, i know[07:38:05] <jessicah> maybe foxton?[07:38:14] <kcj> Nope. :)[07:38:16] <dreamed> Albury Wodonga[07:38:17] <dreamed> for example[07:38:25] <jessicah> is it a teeny town?[07:38:28] <jessicah> oh, woodville?[07:38:29] <helf> dreamed: best town name in my state is - http://www.burntcorn.com/[07:38:32] <mrsun> helf, putting papers in mailboxes ...[07:38:34] <dreamed> heh[07:38:35] <helf> yes, there is a Burnt Corn, alabama[07:38:36] <mrsun> for 6 hours straight[07:38:44] <helf> hey, i used to do that! :D[07:38:47] <kcj> jessicah: I can just tell you in a PM if you like.[07:38:49] <mrsun> and its hot outside[07:38:58] <mrsun> its kinda ok when its cold .. but when its hot its a pita[07:39:00] <jessicah> i like guessing games[07:39:00] <helf> where are you located?[07:39:10] <mrsun> me ?[07:39:15] <dreamed> you can tell me in a pm, I hate guessing games ;)[07:39:17] <stpere> helf, in Canada, there is a town called Burnt Church[07:39:21] <mrsun> ahh[07:39:24] <helf> ha[07:39:36] <helf> oh oh[07:39:40] <mrsun> or ...[07:39:42] <mrsun> humm[07:39:45] <jessicah> i'm in palmerston north[07:39:55] <helf> did i show you guys that photo i took that is quite a few alabama stereotypes ?[07:40:03] <dreamed> no?[07:40:12] <mrsun> nah time to go .... bbl or something[07:40:32] <helf> http://www.flickr.com/photos/helfer/4613835335/sizes/l/in/photostream/[07:40:40] *** jayrulez has joined #haiku[07:41:01] <jessicah> how about pohangina?[07:41:17] <kcj> helf: That definitely covers a few of them.[07:41:26] <kcj> jessicah: Nope. :)[07:42:36] <jessicah> which ones were close? :p[07:42:44] <jessicah> halcombe?[07:43:04] <jessicah> oh, bulls?[07:43:07] <jessicah> bulls is 30km away[07:43:39] <dreamed> helf: nice[07:43:43] <stpere> night guys! err.. everyone[07:43:49] <stpere> ;-)[07:43:52] <jessicah> repent![07:43:54] <jessicah> :p[07:43:55] <stpere> lol[07:43:58] <kcj> jessicah: Yep. :)[07:44:06] <jessicah> \o/[07:44:08] *** _marc` has quit IRC[07:44:22] *** stpere has quit IRC[07:44:53] <jessicah> i waitressed at barrdroc cafe when it was still good for a lil while[07:45:10] <kcj> Yeah, my sister worked there.[07:45:35] <jessicah> i loved all the animals[07:45:40] <jessicah> ostrich was cool![07:45:55] <helf> dreamed: have you jailbroke your ipad?[07:45:59] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[07:46:00] <kcj> When were you working there?[07:46:21] <jessicah> hmm. 5 years ago?[07:46:54] <jessicah> was only there for very short time[07:48:12] <kcj> My sister may have been working there at the time.[07:49:07] <helf> wtf did i just googlestumble onto? http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Wolves/helen_keller.htm[07:49:36] * kcj cringes[07:50:17] <jessicah> mebbe[07:52:56] *** Disreali has quit IRC[07:53:53] <jessicah> that was weird...[07:54:13] *** Xcyish has joined #haiku[07:54:50] *** Xcyish has joined #haiku[07:55:38] <dreamed> right, heading off[07:57:55] <jessicah> see you later :)[07:58:12] *** Skipp_OSX has joined #haiku[08:02:10] *** XenoDuck has quit IRC[08:07:09] *** mattlacey has quit IRC[08:09:12] <helf> im gonna go read. night all[08:09:32] *** MatthewH12 has quit IRC[08:11:55] <jessicah> goodnight helf :)[08:17:25] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[08:26:25] *** Spelln has quit IRC[08:26:43] *** jimage has joined #haiku[08:28:21] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[08:28:22] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[08:29:27] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[08:32:51] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[08:33:19] *** [r4] has quit IRC[08:34:49] *** mattlacey has quit IRC[08:37:23] *** stargater has joined #haiku[08:43:44] *** pseudomind has quit IRC[08:46:40] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[08:51:48] *** stargater has quit IRC[08:55:01] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[08:55:19] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[09:03:09] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[09:04:10] *** stargater has joined #haiku[09:04:13] <stargater> moin[09:06:25] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[09:06:25] *** JsobCloud_ is now known as JsobCloud[09:11:44] <stargater> jstressman: hi, have you see this http://haiku-os.org/files/downloads/2007-03-20_haiku-color-palette.png[09:15:53] *** _marc` has joined #haiku[09:22:40] <PulkoMandy> stargater: mh... not sure that's official or whatever[09:22:47] <PulkoMandy> but maybe we should make it so[09:23:31] <PulkoMandy> also, Haiku's UI doesn't match this completely, so we may have to add some colors in[09:25:48] <arfonzo> ahoy, friends[09:26:02] <jessicah> good morning peoples :)[09:26:11] <arfonzo> how goes it jessicah?[09:26:21] <jessicah> good, just biked home[09:26:26] <jessicah> got to tail two cars[09:26:31] <jessicah> :D[09:26:48] <arfonzo> cool, just starting the day here in the UK.[09:27:59] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[09:31:45] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[09:31:45] *** JsobCloud_ is now known as JsobCloud[09:32:34] *** johnny_b has joined #haiku[09:33:39] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[09:42:02] *** Zevs_ has joined #haiku[09:43:06] <Zevs_> is there a date for the next alpha release yet? Alpha 3 is VERY old now....[09:44:06] <Anarchos> Zevs_ there are no dates : alpha are released when all associated tickets are closed : http://dev.haiku-os.org/roadmap[09:44:14] <PulkoMandy> no date yet, but it shouldn't take too long[09:44:49] <Anarchos> PulkoMandy well i hope they will solve the BFS bugs i encountered...[09:47:15] <Zevs_> Thanks, I bookmarked the roadmap site :-)[09:52:25] * Anarchos think a map of haiku users on the website could be fun[09:55:19] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[09:55:38] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[09:57:26] <stargater> Anarchos: look http://yorik.uncreated.net/images/2011/blenderbuttons-haiku.png[09:58:44] <Anarchos> stargater i spoke about a map of the users :)[10:05:12] *** jjido has joined #haiku[10:05:32] <stargater> and?[10:05:47] <Anarchos> stargater your map is cool too ![10:06:21] <stargater> two difernet thinks :-)[10:06:38] <stargater> i found haiku like icons[10:07:00] <stargater> i am not lucky with the toolbox icons[10:11:43] <jessicah> [#haiku][10:11:46] <jessicah> [#haiku][10:11:46] <jessicah> [#haiku][10:12:27] <CIA-68> haiku.master: humdinger * hrev44535 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=ef4ed1b : (log message trimmed)[10:12:27] <CIA-68> Replaced "Preferences"/"Options" with "Settings"[10:12:28] <CIA-68> Replaced remaining "Preferences" and "Options" with "Settings" as[10:12:28] <CIA-68> that is generally used for app settings instead of the system[10:12:28] <CIA-68> preferences found in the preference panels.[10:12:28] <CIA-68> Renamed Tracker's "Preferences" to "Tracker preferences" to be[10:12:29] <CIA-68> similar to the entries in the Deskbar and e.g. the Media replicant[10:12:35] <ismd> hi. what's an easy way to change layout by pressing caps lock e.g.?[10:13:22] <ismd> *keyboard layout[10:15:27] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[10:16:37] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[10:16:37] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[10:20:15] <diver> ismd: IIRC KeymapSwitcher has such an option[10:20:48] <diver> ismd: type "installoptionalpackage KeymapSwitcher" to install it[10:20:52] <munchaus1n> yes, although I can't get page-up and page-down to work[10:21:03] <munchaus1n> I mapped them to ctrl-up and ctrl-down[10:21:10] <munchaus1n> but still can't scroll in terminal[10:21:17] <munchaus1n> same with home and end[10:21:42] <ismd> diver: ok, thanks[10:21:47] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[10:22:11] <munchaus1n> Im assuming that, e.g. shift-pageup, goes up like in other terminals[10:24:06] <diver> munchaus1n: shift-pageup works fine here in Terminal[10:24:28] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.[10:25:03] <stargater> nice bootloader http://www.puredarwin.org/developers/booting/chameleon[10:27:21] <stargater> some stuff are nice http://gnome-look.org/index.php?xcontentmode=185[10:31:34] *** jjido has quit IRC[10:31:52] *** jjido has joined #haiku[10:34:20] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[10:34:28] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[10:36:14] <CIA-68> haiku.master: pulkomandy * hrev44536 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=93e30a4 : Add a simpler test for BPushGameSound and attempt to fix the most striking mistakes in there. [2 commits][10:38:01] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[10:38:42] *** jjido has quit IRC[10:41:31] *** ismd has quit IRC[10:42:01] *** ismd has joined #haiku[10:48:08] *** jessicah` has joined #haiku[10:55:52] *** Zevs_ has left #haiku[11:13:18] *** ksx4system has quit IRC[11:20:41] *** ksx4system has joined #haiku[11:22:16] *** XenoDuck has joined #haiku[11:24:37] *** FrStm has quit IRC[11:29:26] *** Blub\w has joined #haiku[11:31:58] <stargater> i ask me how fast is haiku ? when it optimise http://blogs.valvesoftware.com/linux/[11:34:33] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[11:37:11] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[11:40:38] <jessicah`> lol, initial version got 6fps[11:40:44] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[11:41:03] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[11:54:20] <stargater> jessicah`: yes 6fps but after the optimise ;-)[11:54:57] <stargater> and this is a power[12:00:29] *** diver has quit IRC[12:01:27] *** _marc` has quit IRC[12:03:26] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[12:03:45] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[12:03:45] <jessicah`> it would be awesome if there was a haiku team at steam :P[12:07:07] <jessicah`> ugh, ssh isn't working[12:07:15] <dreamed> re[12:08:20] <stargater> jessicah`: yes but this is a dream[12:08:24] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[12:10:01] *** ksx4system has quit IRC[12:10:28] <jessicah`> heya dreamed[12:10:34] <jessicah`> ohh, missing "hostname" file[12:10:37] <jessicah`> all fixed :)[12:13:31] <dreamed> :)[12:14:44] <jessicah`> anyone know if nfs is usable yet?[12:14:58] <jessicah`> df[12:15:01] <jessicah`> oops[12:16:03] *** Skipp_OSX has quit IRC[12:18:00] *** Blub\w has quit IRC[12:18:46] <jessicah`> lack of smb is annoying :([12:19:31] <arfonzo> I have had some luck via vboxfs to mount the virtualbox shared smb folder(s).[12:20:11] <arfonzo> It's slow, tho. Really slow, for me. For example, we've got all our pictures on a NAS device, and mounting that this way is pretty much unusable for viewing large folders of pictures.[12:20:35] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[12:20:42] <jessicah`> i'm not running in vbox[12:22:50] *** diver has joined #haiku[12:23:17] <arfonzo> ahoy, diver[12:24:01] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[12:24:01] *** JsobCloud_ is now known as JsobCloud[12:24:14] <diver> hi arfonzo[12:24:42] *** ksx4system has joined #haiku[12:26:08] *** oco has joined #haiku[12:28:27] <jessicah`> poor media server. i manage to kill it so much[12:28:48] <jessicah`> segfault in _atomic_orl =/[12:34:40] *** ksx4system has quit IRC[12:45:41] *** ksx4system has joined #haiku[12:48:43] *** jjido has joined #haiku[12:50:23] <dreamed> nn[12:51:21] <CIA-68> haiku.master: pulkomandy * hrev44537 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=4be15fb :[12:51:22] <CIA-68> Add language to country mappings for ReadOnlyBootPrompt[12:51:22] <CIA-68> * Greek > Greece[12:51:22] <CIA-68> * Croatian > Croatia[12:51:22] <CIA-68> * Pakistanese > Pakistan[12:51:22] <CIA-68> * Indi > India[12:53:04] <jjido> Indi?[12:54:16] <arfonzo> haha[13:00:47] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[13:06:52] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[13:08:11] <stargater> ahh who is it? http://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/PackageManagerIdeas[13:16:56] <jessicah> :([13:17:17] <jessicah> my old nas box doesn't support netbios-less smb =/[13:17:46] <jessicah> time to get a new one i guess[13:24:35] *** nopper` is now known as nopper[13:24:55] *** negusnyul has joined #haiku[13:31:25] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[13:34:10] <CIA-68> haiku.master: pulkomandy * hrev44538 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=7dfdb91 : Fix language mapping again for indi.[13:34:57] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[13:34:57] *** JsobCloud_ is now known as JsobCloud[13:35:32] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[13:38:17] *** stef_ has joined #haiku[13:40:33] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[13:41:00] *** stef has quit IRC[13:46:19] <CIA-68> haiku.master: pulkomandy * hrev44539 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=86e4797 : Fix build. [2 commits][13:47:44] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[13:48:03] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[13:49:31] <HAIKU-Buildbot_> build #637 of x86-Linux64-host is complete: Failure [failed [x86gcc2] [x86gcc4]] Build details are at http://mmadia.dyndns.org:8010/builders/x86-Linux64-host/builds/637 blamelist: Adrien Destugues - PulkoMandy <pulkomandy at pulkomandy dot tk>[13:52:21] <munchaus1n> smb is most annoying for me because I can't authenticate to to print even though the printer driver works in haiku[13:55:33] *** rimio has quit IRC[14:00:02] <jstressman> what's up with those language names?[14:00:24] <jstressman> we call it "pakistani" and "indian"... not "pakistanese" and "indi" :/[14:01:20] <jstressman> it doesn't look like the actual change says those names, so it's not a big deal.[14:04:02] <jstressman> stargater: yes, I saw that in the past. if/when we get an "official palette", then probably I'd use it. :)[14:04:10] *** XenoDuck has quit IRC[14:06:42] *** Kernel86_ has quit IRC[14:08:07] *** ksx4system has quit IRC[14:08:56] *** Kernel86 has joined #haiku[14:10:59] <Anarchos> Unfortunately, i am pretty sure it is unfeasible to exchange two partitions ?[14:11:11] *** rimio has joined #haiku[14:16:44] *** jjido has quit IRC[14:21:42] *** ksx4system has joined #haiku[14:27:10] <stargater> jstressman: is this official i think[14:31:01] <jstressman> I thought Pulkomandy said the colors didn't match, or weren't all included?[14:39:01] *** paul0 has joined #haiku[14:40:28] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[14:43:21] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[14:43:21] *** JsobCloud_ is now known as JsobCloud[14:50:18] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[14:50:28] *** ksx4system has quit IRC[14:53:29] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[14:53:29] *** JsobCloud_ is now known as JsobCloud[14:55:20] *** rimio has quit IRC[15:01:43] *** ksx4system has joined #haiku[15:03:18] *** rimio has joined #haiku[15:08:51] *** happy4crazy has joined #haiku[15:09:09] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[15:11:17] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[15:15:06] *** rimio has quit IRC[15:15:24] *** rimio has joined #haiku[15:22:03] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[15:22:06] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[15:22:06] *** JsobCloud_ is now known as JsobCloud[15:25:42] *** Negr0_VoP2P_LMin has joined #haiku[15:25:53] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[15:28:30] *** _marc` has joined #haiku[15:29:35] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[15:29:35] *** JsobCloud_ is now known as JsobCloud[15:30:20] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[15:33:01] <stargater> jstressman: here http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/tree/docs/develop/servers/app_server[15:33:09] <stargater> set of color pallete[15:33:49] <stargater> i lock in the docu in the src tree bit i mis some document from the website[15:36:03] *** happy4crazy has quit IRC[15:36:39] *** happy4crazy has joined #haiku[15:38:11] *** _marc` has quit IRC[15:38:16] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[15:38:35] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[15:39:46] *** _marc` has joined #haiku[15:39:56] <HAIKU-Buildbot_> build #638 of x86-Linux64-host is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://mmadia.dyndns.org:8010/builders/x86-Linux64-host/builds/638[15:40:58] *** happy4crazy has quit IRC[15:41:09] <jstressman> that looks like a carry over from BeOS.[15:41:48] <jstressman> if you're talking about http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/tree/docs/develop/servers/app_server/SystemPalette.htm specifically.[15:43:23] *** XenoDuck has joined #haiku[15:44:58] *** stargater has quit IRC[15:45:27] *** _marc` has quit IRC[15:47:01] *** stargater has joined #haiku[15:49:13] <jstressman> stargater: "Sets the passed palette to the BeOS R5 system colors, which follows."[15:49:19] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[15:49:29] <stargater> ok[15:49:49] <jstressman> those are the BeOS R5 colors, which do not actually match Haiku's colors (which are orange and green based, instead of red and blue based.)[15:50:01] <stargater> so need we updatet[15:50:04] <jstressman> I'm going to do another version of that page showing the colors used...[15:50:11] <jstressman> and then try to make a Haiku specific version of it.[15:50:17] <jstressman> yes[15:50:51] <stargater> jstressman: when you find time can you make a ticket ? for the documents in the src tree eg: appserver stuff[15:51:14] <stargater> your english are better then my ;-)[15:51:59] <jstressman> should they be updated to be Haiku specific?[15:52:39] <jstressman> (your Deutsch is better than mine) ;) haha[15:53:26] <stargater> hehe[15:53:37] <stargater> yes haiku specific[15:54:06] <jstressman> ok.[15:54:44] *** Dane_ has joined #haiku[15:55:04] *** Dane_ is now known as Dane__[15:55:08] <Dane__> can someone please remind me where (path/filename) I can turn syslog on and off?[15:55:34] <Anarchos> Dane__ /boot/home/config/settings/kernel[15:55:44] <Dane__> Anarchos thanks[15:56:39] <Dane__> So if I see this...[15:56:41] <Dane__> #syslog_debug_output false[15:56:47] <Dane__> That means syslog is "on" ?[15:56:54] <Anarchos> wam[15:57:04] <Dane__> wam?[15:57:11] <Anarchos> wait a minute[15:57:12] <Dane__> wait a minute?[15:57:14] <Dane__> k[15:57:34] <Anarchos> Dane__ the first # is for commenting[15:57:41] <Anarchos> default is enabled[15:57:52] <Anarchos> so just erase the '#' to disable syslog[15:58:02] <Dane__> see line above[15:58:17] <Dane__> It says it's false...so if I uncheck it, won't that turn syslog *off* ?[15:58:54] *** stargater has quit IRC[15:58:57] <PulkoMandy> first step is remove the # so the line do something[15:59:05] <PulkoMandy> then put false to disable syslog, or true to enable[15:59:13] <Dane__> oic[15:59:14] <Anarchos> PulkoMandy default is enable[16:00:01] <Dane__> It just strikes me as odd that there's a false at the end. Why wouldn't it just be true, and turned off and on by commenting and uncommenting.[16:00:11] <Dane__> Seems like a double negative to say false and then comment it out[16:00:13] *** stef_ is now known as stef[16:00:44] <jstressman> Dane__: no, it's efficient. then you only have to delete 1 character and save to disable it.[16:00:58] <jstressman> otherwise you'd have to delete the # AND change the value to actually disable it.[16:01:18] <Dane__> If it were "true" then you'd just have to comment it out to disable it.[16:01:29] <Dane__> Just seems backwards to me, but...[16:01:36] <jstressman> you mean were it NOT commented out? ;)[16:01:55] <Dane__> sigh[16:02:03] *** jayrulez has quit IRC[16:02:08] *** happy4crazy has joined #haiku[16:02:47] <Dane__> Well apparently if it is false and commented out, then syslog is turned on, which is odd in itself because I see no syslog in /boot/var/log[16:03:02] <PulkoMandy> Dane__: the idea of this file is to have all the non-default settings, all commented out[16:03:04] *** Spacewalker has joined #haiku[16:03:05] *** Spacewalker has joined #haiku[16:03:10] <PulkoMandy> so if you need something, just uncomment it[16:03:16] <Dane__> PulkoMandy OK[16:03:25] <Dane__> Why no syslog then, I wonder.[16:03:30] <jstressman> because it's in /boot/common/var/log[16:03:34] <Dane__> ah[16:03:36] <Dane__> looking[16:03:40] <PulkoMandy> some of these will be flipped when we change from alpha to R1 I think[16:03:54] <Dane__> /boot/common/var/log> ls[16:03:55] <Dane__> ftp+nlst.log syslog.old[16:04:13] <jstressman> so you're not making a log now? :)[16:04:17] <PulkoMandy> it's in /var/log/syslog[16:04:19] <Dane__> don't seem to be[16:04:20] <PulkoMandy> not /boot/var[16:04:21] <jstressman> the syslog.old is from a previous boot.[16:04:24] <PulkoMandy> just /var[16:04:47] <PulkoMandy> (which is usually a link to /boot/common/var, but ...)[16:04:57] <Dane__> /var/log> cd /var/log[16:04:57] <Dane__> /var/log> ls[16:04:58] <Dane__> ftp+nlst.log syslog.old[16:04:58] <Dane__> /var/log>[16:05:13] <jstressman> looks correct to me.[16:05:22] <PulkoMandy> ok... then you may try entering KDL and using the syslog command to see what happens[16:06:25] <Dane__> k[16:06:27] <Dane__> thanks[16:07:24] <Dane__> OK appreciate the insights...ttyl[16:07:52] <Anarchos> how to know exactly in bytes the size of a partition ?[16:10:07] *** kcj has quit IRC[16:10:19] <PulkoMandy> Anarchos: df command ?[16:10:50] <PulkoMandy> well, df -b in haiku and multiply by 1024[16:11:11] <Anarchos> PulkoMandy always mutltiple of 1024 the partition size ?[16:11:16] <PulkoMandy> yes[16:11:23] <PulkoMandy> you can't allocate less than a sector[16:12:00] <Anarchos> a sector is 512, no ?[16:12:26] <PulkoMandy> depends on the hardware[16:13:13] <Anarchos> PulkoMandy cause i dd my faulty partition in two files so i want to be sure that all is there.[16:20:23] <HeTo> maybe split would work?[16:20:45] <PulkoMandy> small hard disks, no space to join the files[16:21:33] <PulkoMandy> Anarchos: well, df gives only the filesystem size, the partition is a bit bigger[16:22:06] <Anarchos> cause i dd if=/dev/disk/scsi/0/0/3_4[16:23:17] <HeTo> maybe if the target partition is too small you could symlink the other part onto another partition before running split[16:23:20] *** cherrypie has quit IRC[16:23:34] <HeTo> assuming you can mount both target partitions at the same time[16:26:30] <Anarchos> HeTo the problem is that i must dump a partition to save it : it runs corrupted and even recover crashes on it[16:28:40] <HeTo> Anarchos: so do you get read errors from the source disk?[16:29:05] <Anarchos> HeTo no i lost 95% of files[16:30:09] <HeTo> you should be able to cd /Target1; ln -s /Target2/dumpab dumpab; split /dev/disk/scsi/0/0/3_4 dump[16:30:35] <HeTo> or if split doesn't read devices directly, dd if=/dev/disk/scsi/0/0/3_4 | split - dump[16:31:32] <HeTo> oh, and give the proper -b argument to split of course (but unless you’re extremely tight on the target partition free space, you can overshoot it a bit to make sure you only get two files)[16:37:15] *** Negr0_VoP2P_LMin has quit IRC[16:37:57] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[16:38:06] *** rimio has quit IRC[16:38:16] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[16:38:20] *** rimio has joined #haiku[16:42:13] *** ebarch has quit IRC[16:43:21] *** notconvinced has quit IRC[16:49:20] <CIA-68> xyzzy-github.x86_64: xyzzy-github * 294818c5fdcfba4246c738f97bbe30bcf43fb9d2 : More x86_64 printf() fixes from glibc.[16:51:41] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[16:53:44] *** Spacewalker has quit IRC[16:53:46] *** rimio has quit IRC[16:54:27] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[16:54:27] *** JsobCloud_ is now known as JsobCloud[16:54:36] *** Blub\w has joined #haiku[16:56:25] *** Spacewalker has joined #haiku[16:56:26] *** Spacewalker has joined #haiku[16:56:49] *** TimKack has joined #haiku[17:00:50] *** stargater has joined #haiku[17:01:04] <stargater> re[17:02:42] *** backb0ne has quit IRC[17:06:43] <jstressman> re[17:11:47] *** paul0 has quit IRC[17:12:01] *** johnny_b has quit IRC[17:15:14] *** bbjimmy-at-home has joined #haiku[17:15:58] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[17:15:58] *** bbjimmy-at-home is now known as bbjimmy[17:16:00] <stargater> have any one latex[17:16:08] *** rimio has joined #haiku[17:17:16] *** cherrypie has joined #haiku[17:17:52] *** FrStm has joined #haiku[17:19:33] *** bbjimmy-at-home has joined #haiku[17:20:27] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[17:20:27] *** bbjimmy-at-home is now known as bbjimmy[17:21:33] *** fhein has joined #haiku[17:24:39] *** Spacewalker has quit IRC[17:25:17] *** Spacewalker has joined #haiku[17:25:18] *** Spacewalker has joined #haiku[17:25:35] <Anarchos> stargater what about latex ?[17:27:09] *** jayrulez has joined #haiku[17:27:59] *** TimKack has quit IRC[17:29:43] *** slubman has quit IRC[17:36:48] <stargater> i found a nice c app html2tex[17:37:00] *** slubman has joined #haiku[17:39:59] *** backb0ne has joined #haiku[17:45:07] *** Premislaus has joined #haiku[17:45:13] <Premislaus> Good afternoon.[17:48:17] *** dcase has joined #haiku[17:52:03] <jstressman> Premislaus: welcome back :)[17:52:19] <Premislaus> hi[17:53:02] <Premislaus> what's up jstressman?[17:53:36] <Premislaus> You know some kind of Linux distributions similar to Haiku?[17:55:03] <PulkoMandy> zevenOS ?[17:55:24] <jstressman> :F[17:55:42] <jstressman> no. all Linux distros are vastly inferior to Haiku. :([18:01:02] <PulkoMandy> well yes they are[18:01:08] <PulkoMandy> but ZevenOs is as close as it gets[18:01:21] <Premislaus> I have to wait for Haiku R2 version.[18:02:02] <jstressman> Premislaus: still mad about the gcc4 ffmpeg ?[18:02:17] <jstressman> can't you just copy the file from the 44483 build and put it in yours?[18:02:26] <jstressman> that's the opposite of what I did, and it worked just fine.[18:02:52] <jstressman> I also have to do the same thing for my ethernet driver, since the marvell_yukon driver is almost non-functional currently.[18:02:59] <PulkoMandy> we should manage to use the up to date version for gcc4 anyway[18:03:00] <jstressman> so I have to use an older revision which works wonderfully.[18:03:06] <PulkoMandy> just needs some hearder tweaking[18:03:25] <jstressman> PulkoMandy: yeah, Matt just reverted it for now because the side effect was so severe.[18:03:41] <Premislaus> jstressman PulkoMandy: unfortunately. I like something "wyklikać"( clickable) and have done with it.[18:03:42] <jstressman> no videos work in the official builds. that's kind of bad. ;)[18:03:58] <PulkoMandy> usually we have this "don't hide the bugs" policy[18:04:14] <jstressman> don't hide the bugs?[18:04:23] <Premislaus> jstressman: this and other reasons[18:04:49] <PulkoMandy> jstressman: yes, reverting to an older version is just hiding the fact that there is a problem with the gcc2 build[18:04:57] <PulkoMandy> instead, the problem should be found and fixed[18:05:06] <Premislaus> I very like Haiku and Haiku community - been very positive[18:05:12] <PulkoMandy> if we hide it, no one will be bothered enoough to do it[18:05:28] <jstressman> PulkoMandy: well, do you understand what the problem is?[18:06:06] <PulkoMandy> yes, it is a stack alignment problem because ffmpeg uses sse2, and gcc2 doesn't support the required flags[18:06:09] <jstressman> "Compiler did not align stack variables. Libavcodec has been miscompiled and may be very slow or crash. This is not a bug in libavcodec, but in the compiler. You may try recompiling using gcc >= 4.2."[18:06:15] <PulkoMandy> we have several ways to solve this[18:06:19] <jstressman> ah. great. :)[18:06:32] *** XenoDuck has quit IRC[18:06:33] <PulkoMandy> one of them is fixing the compiler, which needs a lot of work and may break other things[18:06:42] <PulkoMandy> and we're not too motivated in fixing gcc2[18:06:48] <jstressman> heh[18:07:07] <PulkoMandy> the other is to disable sse2 in gcc2 builds and keep it enabled in gcc4 ones, or something similar[18:07:13] <PulkoMandy> so that it works for everyone[18:07:25] <PulkoMandy> and the third is reverting the lib only for the gcc2 side[18:07:44] <PulkoMandy> this needs some tweaking, as apparently some constants were renamed in between the two versions[18:07:59] <PulkoMandy> so we have to make sure the header files can work with both[18:08:09] <PulkoMandy> this is what we're doing for OpenGL already[18:08:38] <stargater> its better haiku drop gcc2[18:08:43] <jstressman> seems like option #2 is the easiest.[18:08:57] <jstressman> #3 is probably the most thorough, but more complex. :/[18:09:12] <PulkoMandy> I don't know ffmpeg code enough to tell if #2 is simple[18:09:21] <jstressman> #1 seems like it runs the risk of breaking binary compatibility or something?[18:09:27] <PulkoMandy> maybe just a compiler flag, or maybe a bit more tweaking[18:09:30] <stargater> over the years i cant understand why haiku need r1 gcc2 full compatibilit to beos r5[18:09:31] <PulkoMandy> yes[18:09:36] <Premislaus> "[01:07:43] <mmadia> After R1, it's planned to move beos compatibility to an (optional?) package for legacy compatibility", optional package for legacy compatibility - why not for R1? If it works the same way - Haiku R1 gcc2 and gcc2 optional package.[18:09:38] *** stpere has joined #haiku[18:10:00] <stargater> r1 is long long way[18:10:00] <PulkoMandy> Premislaus: for R1 it can't work well enough in the current state of things[18:10:09] <jstressman> the primary reason for Haiku R1 is to be a full modern version of BeOS R1.[18:10:17] <PulkoMandy> for example loading add-ons will always load the gcc2 version for some things[18:10:28] <stargater> in Zen , now here and here is this way[18:10:29] <PulkoMandy> we need to make some changes to the API to make this work[18:10:31] <jstressman> that is its primary goal. not to have it as a secondary add-on or something. but to be directly, fully, a drop in replacement for BeOS.[18:10:37] <jstressman> end of story.[18:11:27] <PulkoMandy> for now I think the work needed to keep the gcc2 version live is low enough[18:11:30] <stargater> for me have haiki the goal finish (beosr5 replacment) now can we work better on a better stuff.[18:11:44] <PulkoMandy> and it allows us to cross check code with BeOS to make sure we do everything like we should[18:11:54] <jstressman> after R1 (modern BeOS) is released, then Haiku becomes more Haiku and doesn't have to worry about that primary goal anymore. So it can move to gcc4 native, move BeOS stuff to add-on packages, etc.[18:11:55] <PulkoMandy> so it's justified for development reasons[18:12:10] *** _marc` has joined #haiku[18:12:28] <PulkoMandy> moreover, switching now would lead to more development work, and delay R1 even more[18:12:40] <jstressman> right.[18:12:43] <PulkoMandy> rather focus on the few missing parts, finish R1 as fast as possible, and move on[18:12:54] <jstressman> I feel like R1 is actually pretty close, relatively speaking. :)[18:13:08] <stargater> but more developers cam when a projekt is aktive and have good reporting aubout the project[18:13:12] <jstressman> Haiku is very usable already. just needs a few more things fleshed out.[18:13:25] <PulkoMandy> yes[18:13:27] <stargater> and have goals he are nice, cool etc...[18:13:43] <stargater> and not goals from a past[18:13:44] <PulkoMandy> I remember looking at the project page and seeing the first screenshots of app_server running[18:14:21] <stargater> i read with many other people, the 80% are have no reason about haiku[18:14:38] <stargater> its linux, it beos ?[18:15:14] <stargater> it is better to say haiku is portable, free, modular, with hight perfomence technolegy[18:15:18] *** Negr0_VoP2P has joined #haiku[18:15:25] <PulkoMandy> anyway, for all you gcc4 lovers: the 64bit version is gcc4 only ![18:15:33] <stargater> and it is a complitly os[18:16:47] <stargater> i remamber, beos lock all os and put the best of it and make a os with no backwards[18:17:54] <stargater> and haiku community, dev, user, nerd, hacker ,, all people we must learn what is a focus from a os and not locking what make other[18:18:29] <stargater> kde, gnome ... are locking an copy, that is why linux have came not in the dektop consumer market[18:18:50] <PulkoMandy> well[18:19:02] <jstressman> Premislaus: http://nnb.me/ffmpeg-gcc4.zip try that and tell me how it works.[18:19:06] <PulkoMandy> the most original concepts in Linux WM did not really work, either[18:19:28] <stargater> i dont used over the years no windows, why is see it is bad, i used linux why i need not lova[18:19:34] <jstressman> Premislaus: just put it in /boot/system/add-ons/media/plugins/[18:19:48] <jstressman> (back up the existing one first if you want)[18:19:58] <PulkoMandy> http://haiku-files.org/files/optional-packages/index.php?dir=lib%2F[18:20:06] <PulkoMandy> you can get latest ffmpeg version here as well[18:20:10] <PulkoMandy> it was not removed[18:20:38] <Premislaus> jstressman: thanks[18:21:13] <stargater> and i realy lova app he have a focus/content, so i love a media player, with fading out contols, when it play so have a pouse button, when it pause the have a play button[18:21:14] <Premislaus> ok[18:21:25] <jstressman> http://haiku-files.org/files/optional-packages/lib/ffmpeg-0.11.1-x86-gcc4-2012-08-07.zip[18:21:36] <augiedoggie> it was more than just the updated package, there were code changes in Haiku to go along with that[18:21:36] <stargater> minimal of controls and littel bit KI[18:21:37] <jstressman> ah, awesome. :P didn't think of that.[18:21:53] *** rdmr has joined #haiku[18:22:12] <jstressman> augiedoggie: for what? ffmpeg?[18:22:12] *** luroh has joined #haiku[18:22:17] <augiedoggie> yes[18:23:00] <jstressman> augiedoggie: swapping just ffmpeg out fixed the problems for me. :/ (at least going from the gcc4-friendly one back to the older gcc2 friendly one)[18:23:30] *** leszek has joined #haiku[18:23:37] <jstressman> or at least made the videos I tested work. :P[18:23:52] <leszek> hi[18:24:11] <jstressman> leszek: welcome back :)[18:24:57] *** johnny_b has joined #haiku[18:25:26] <stargater> hi johnny_b[18:30:10] *** _marc` has quit IRC[18:35:27] *** MatthewH12 has joined #haiku[18:36:26] *** Blub\w has quit IRC[18:37:13] *** rdmr has quit IRC[18:38:17] <stargater> PulkoMandy: here a a other compiler http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LCC_(compiler)[18:40:47] *** jmelesky has joined #haiku[18:43:35] <PulkoMandy> jstressman: mh, interesting[18:43:44] <PulkoMandy> the changes may be only deprecating functions we were using then[18:43:51] <PulkoMandy> with the new one already being there in 0.10[18:44:14] <PulkoMandy> if so, that would make it even easier to use both versions (gcc2 0.10 / gcc4 0.11)[18:44:29] <Anarchos> stargater interesting : LCC is done in noweb :)[18:44:39] <Anarchos> stargater and by the way i ported noweb to haiku :)[18:44:44] <jstressman> PulkoMandy: don't trust my word on it. :) I'd look at the actual code and do more testing of course.[18:44:52] *** rdmr has joined #haiku[18:46:11] <Premislaus> Three years ago, I have become seriously interested in Haiku. Since then, I everyday checked all the pages about Haiku. We have a poor results in Poland, but some geeks know about Haiku. Unfortunately, many of them are ardent fans of Linux. Not everywhere they want to publish news about Haiku. For osworld.pl they want redrafted text with 10000 characters, because it appeared on two sites and...[18:46:16] <Premislaus> ...will have a weak position in Google. I was once asked to write an article about Haiku, six months ago. I've written several thousand characters (history of Be Inc. and BeOS) and stopped. Because I have collected the material for the book :P.[18:47:25] <jstressman> PulkoMandy: not sure if anyone pointed it out, but in English we'd say Pakistani (or Urdu - the actual language name) for the Pakistani language, and Indian (or Hindi - the actual language name) for the Indian language.[18:47:45] <jstressman> PulkoMandy: I saw that your changes didn't have anything to do with those words, but wanted to let you know for future reference. :)[18:48:04] <PulkoMandy> well[18:48:24] <PulkoMandy> the language in Pakistan is apparently called Punjabi[18:48:42] <jstressman> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan[18:48:44] <PulkoMandy> but, I take note :)[18:48:53] <jstressman> Official language(s) Urdu[18:48:53] <jstressman> English[18:49:04] <jstressman> Punjabi is used, but it's not an official language. it's just a regional one.[18:49:20] <jstressman> Regional languages -- Punjabi, Sindhi, Pashto, Balochi, Saraiki, Hindko, Brahui[18:49:20] <PulkoMandy> ok[18:49:32] <PulkoMandy> well this one isn't even in the list of ReadOnlyBootPrompt anyways[18:49:51] <jstressman> like I said... it doesn't really matter. :) I was just letting you know for future reference.[18:49:59] <PulkoMandy> and for Indi we lack both a suitable font and the required character composing code[18:50:03] <jstressman> we'd never say "Pakistanian" or "Indi"[18:50:25] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[18:50:57] <PulkoMandy> yes, I shouldn't have looked them up in French Wikipedia, then my mind switched languages and ...[18:51:10] <PulkoMandy> (I also included 2 syntax errors in two lines as a result :/)[18:51:12] <jstressman> would there be a way to implement a flexible IME for Haiku?[18:51:28] *** rdmr has quit IRC[18:51:30] <jstressman> for inputting arbitrary languages that could be added as plugins or addon-ons of some sort?[18:51:31] <PulkoMandy> input methods are working well already[18:51:49] <jstressman> like what? Canna or Anthy?[18:51:53] <PulkoMandy> yes[18:52:06] <PulkoMandy> they work as input_server add-ons so you can add more the same way[18:52:09] <jstressman> Anthy isn't an official installer and is currently broken and has to be manually installed (last few times I checked)[18:52:25] <PulkoMandy> yes, we could make it part of Haiku[18:52:29] <jstressman> I haven't used Canna because it didn't work even as well as Anthy last I tried. (I only use IME for Japanese)[18:52:37] <PulkoMandy> the main devs are mostly german so they don't care about it[18:52:49] <PulkoMandy> so, if that's a problem for you, please open a ticket[18:52:54] *** qptain_Nemo has joined #haiku[18:53:03] <PulkoMandy> it's hard for us europeans to see all the problems with localization[18:53:07] <jstressman> no problem. :)[18:53:10] <PulkoMandy> we have little knowledge about it in the Haiku team[18:53:11] <jstressman> just asking...[18:53:18] <jstressman> okee doke. ^_^[18:53:22] <PulkoMandy> but we're willing to improve things :)[18:53:51] *** rdmr has joined #haiku[18:53:58] <jstressman> it seems like if there were the core IME as a native part of Haiku, it would work better for integrating right into text inputs...[18:54:05] <jstressman> and automatically work in all apps.[18:54:15] <PulkoMandy> well[18:54:21] <jstressman> then the language developers would just have to worry about plugins to work with it.[18:54:25] <PulkoMandy> I never heard about any problems with the current system[18:54:33] <PulkoMandy> but maybe it's just no one told us[18:54:41] <jstressman> I think Pe had to be changed to work better with Anthy for instance.[18:55:06] <jstressman> because natively it didn't recognize it by default, so your text as you were typing it would show up in a separate window rather than right in the text field.[18:55:15] <PulkoMandy> Pe uses a custom code for the main part of the editor[18:55:24] <PulkoMandy> (a text view with syntax highlight and so on)[18:55:28] <PulkoMandy> so that's kind of expected[18:55:33] <jstressman> hrm[18:55:39] <PulkoMandy> and one of the problems we will have to face with the Haiku API[18:55:43] <jstressman> yeah, not sure if it happens elsewhere anymore.[18:56:07] <PulkoMandy> ok, then that would be one more bug on Pe side[18:56:15] <jstressman> I think that's fixed though already. :)[18:56:19] <PulkoMandy> but I gues you'll get the same with gvim and with terminal[18:56:24] <jstressman> just noticed it in their bug tracker as a past problem.[18:56:30] <PulkoMandy> unless these are fixed as well[18:56:37] <stargater> http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/8124[18:56:39] <jstressman> terminal works well, but has trouble with character width.[18:56:49] <stargater> http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/8841[18:56:51] <jstressman> I know some folks in here were working on it.[18:57:05] <jstressman> arfonzo and skipp_OSX maybe? I don't remember.[18:57:21] <PulkoMandy> arfonzo made some patches yes, but they are not integrated[18:57:26] <PulkoMandy> you candownload his fonzoterm[18:58:00] <PulkoMandy> I worked in a new termview as part of SerialConnect, but I'm not sure I'll reuse it for terminal yet[18:58:03] <jstressman> PulkoMandy: yes, I saw that. :) thank you.[18:58:06] <PulkoMandy> have to spend more work on it anyway[18:58:27] <jstressman> stargater: yes, I have myself added to the folder name problem. :) I noticed it with my Japanese localized Haiku. :/[18:59:23] <stargater> it is hard to fix it PulkoMandy ?[18:59:26] *** ksx4system has quit IRC[19:00:38] <PulkoMandy> I don't know[19:00:54] <PulkoMandy> the folder translation is the only part of Locale Kit I wasn't involved in[19:01:49] <jstressman> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824254059 <-- on a side note, does anyone know of a better/cheaper monitor at that size/price?[19:01:58] <jstressman> I badly need to order one ASAP and that one went out of stock. :([19:02:49] <jstressman> I'm currently stuck using this old junker: http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/monitors/j51jk/en/specs.htm[19:02:53] <jstressman> and it's killing meeeeeeeeeeee[19:04:28] <stargater> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131837 = wow[19:04:43] <stargater> PulkoMandy: you make a kit ?[19:05:15] <PulkoMandy> the Locale Kit started as my GSoC project in 2009[19:07:19] *** ksx4system has joined #haiku[19:08:34] <PulkoMandy> I look at the folder translation problem[19:08:40] <PulkoMandy> the fix shouldn't be too complicated[19:09:41] <stargater> ok, it is then better when drops to a r1 track milestone?[19:10:02] <stargater> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127603 = anyone a idear haiku have a driver of this?[19:12:15] <Premislaus> jstressman: How much do you have to spent fora monitor?[19:12:24] <nortti> 7g 17[19:12:35] *** tqh has joined #haiku[19:12:44] <Premislaus> stargater: vesa ;)[19:14:14] <Premislaus> stargater: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&N=100006662&isNodeId=1&Description=hd+6450&x=0&y=0[19:14:42] <Premislaus> Also VESA, but Kallisti works on hardware acceleration for Radeon HD.[19:17:09] *** Ingenu has joined #haiku[19:17:46] <Premislaus> Eizo Foris FS2331 - good monitor for home[19:19:04] <stargater> Premislaus: this looks good http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150626[19:19:57] <Premislaus> yes i have xfx 5450 ;)[19:22:04] <Premislaus> This is not a gaming card, but as you have an old, single-core processor, it is good(1080p acceleration, opencl)...[19:24:17] *** _marc` has joined #haiku[19:24:22] <Premislaus> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd_radeon_hd6450&num=1[19:26:08] <stargater> nice[19:26:33] <Premislaus> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTE2MDU - about gcc[19:30:53] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[19:31:53] <stargater> http://www.helenos.org/[19:33:48] *** Megaf has joined #haiku[19:34:35] <Premislaus> haiku is better and more mature, but this is an interesting project[19:34:58] <stargater> sure[19:36:00] <CIA-68> HaikuPorts: zooey * r2024 /haikuports/trunk/haiku-apps/pe/pe-2.4.3-hg.bep http://ports.haiku-files.org/changeset/2024 : Add new bep-file for Pe, since that has moved back to BerliOS (and uses a Mercurial repo now).[19:39:13] <stargater> Premislaus: http://trac.helenos.org/browser/mainline/uspace/lib/posix[19:45:33] <jstressman> Premislaus: ~$300[19:46:29] *** Dane__ has quit IRC[19:47:47] <Premislaus> jstressman: What you want to have a matrix?[19:53:26] <jstressman> matrix?[19:53:31] <Premislaus> tn, va, ips?[19:53:42] <jstressman> ah... well, I wanted something hopefully bigger than 23" (~585mm), and IPS if possible.[19:53:45] <jstressman> I'm looking right now at a TN 27.5", and an IPS 24" for around the same price. just under $300[19:54:32] <jstressman> well, TFT 27.5"[19:55:59] <Premislaus> ips is not good for home... maybe Dell U2412M?[19:56:09] <Premislaus> e-ips and 16:10[19:56:10] <Premislaus> 24"[19:56:48] <jstressman> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824260047[19:56:57] <jstressman> Premislaus: that's actually the monitor I'm really leaning toward right now.[19:57:26] <jstressman> what does "e-ips" mean?[20:01:09] *** sambagirl has quit IRC[20:01:13] <Premislaus> one minute[20:02:35] <Premislaus> http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/content/panel_technologies_content.htm[20:02:44] <Premislaus> http://translate.google.pl/translate?sl=pl&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=pl&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fmva.pl%2Fviewtopic.php%3Ff%3D6%26t%3D370[20:03:42] <jstressman> thank you :)[20:04:54] <CIA-68> haiku.master: mmu_man * hrev44540 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=1026b0a :[20:04:54] <CIA-68> ppc: use 64 bit physical addressing[20:04:55] <CIA-68> * At least the 4xx cpu types use PAE-like 36 bit addressing, including for mapped peripherals.[20:05:22] *** stargater has quit IRC[20:05:23] <Premislaus> black is silver( wada ips) and it is a very bright display[20:05:31] <Premislaus> *ips defect[20:06:03] <Premislaus> Good for offices, corporations...[20:06:46] <Premislaus> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SohjyKjV6zc[20:07:36] *** Skipp_OSX has joined #haiku[20:09:27] *** stargater has joined #haiku[20:09:29] <stargater> re[20:16:06] <Premislaus> jstressman: e-ips http://monitory.mastiff.pl/images/swiecaca_czern.jpg[20:16:19] <Premislaus> http://monitory.mastiff.pl/images/zle-i-dobre-swiatlo.jpg[20:16:59] <Skipp_OSX> Premislaus, is that OS X?[20:17:15] <Premislaus> i don't know[20:17:31] <Premislaus> jstressman: overall it is a ips problem[20:17:57] <Skipp_OSX> I'm guessing based on the trash can in the dock on the left hand side of the image in the first link[20:18:17] <Skipp_OSX> although at that size it is hard to tell[20:20:32] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[20:21:09] <Anarchos> hi everybody[20:21:45] <Skipp_OSX> hello[20:22:02] <stargater> gcc4 hybrinde came not ? http://www.haiku-files.org/haiku/development/[20:22:28] <Skipp_OSX> so last night, just for fun, I loaded up Mac OS 9 in Sheepshaver[20:22:44] <Skipp_OSX> And boy did it suck...[20:22:55] <Premislaus> :P[20:23:09] *** fhein has quit IRC[20:23:36] <Skipp_OSX> but, I learned a couple of interesting things. Clicking on menus with submenus activates the menu item, just like BeOS/Haiku and the Finder had many similarities to Tracker[20:23:39] *** fhein has joined #haiku[20:24:16] <PulkoMandy> well, Be, Inc. was essentially a fork of Apple, so... :)[20:24:30] <Skipp_OSX> For instance filenames don't wrap in MacOS 9 they just continue vertically forever[20:24:42] <Skipp_OSX> just like in BeOS/Haiku...[20:25:01] <Skipp_OSX> errr horizontally I mean[20:25:10] <stargater> ahh i found http://www.haiku-files.org/unsupported-builds/x86-gcc4hybrid/[20:25:35] *** Giova84 has joined #haiku[20:25:38] <Skipp_OSX> well, I realize that some of the same people were involved in the design of BeOS and MacOS so it makes sense[20:25:58] <PulkoMandy> Skipp_OSX: also, they looked at existing stuff[20:26:12] <PulkoMandy> remember that the other choice while BeOS was being made was Windows 3.11...[20:26:41] <Skipp_OSX> Also, icon mode in Finder is very similar to in Tracker, meaning the icons are positioned similarly taking up the next available space but not in a grid[20:26:41] <Giova84> Hi to everyone![20:27:06] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[20:27:21] <Skipp_OSX> Something that suprised me though was that windows don't resize and move live, just a grey outline[20:27:31] *** sambagirl has joined #haiku[20:27:38] <Skipp_OSX> then on mouse up the window is redrawn...[20:28:12] <Skipp_OSX> that seems a bit anachronistic for 2000[20:28:54] <Skipp_OSX> hello Giova84[20:29:39] <Giova84> Hello Skipp_OSX[20:30:01] <Giova84> I was trying to build the latest OpenJDK with PCM/audio support.[20:30:01] <Giova84> http://pastebin.com/4FhDAnyg[20:30:01] <Giova84> In the last step i get an error:[20:30:01] <Giova84> http://pastebin.com/mfYyXT28[20:30:20] <Giova84> Someone can give me an hint or try to build this version of OpenJDK? :-)[20:31:41] <Skipp_OSX> 0[20:32:24] *** sambagirl has quit IRC[20:33:11] *** stargater has quit IRC[20:33:51] *** sambagirl has joined #haiku[20:34:21] <hamishm> there isn't some kind of exception preceeding that crash?[20:34:52] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[20:35:03] *** nsuperbus has quit IRC[20:36:29] <Giova84> Hi Hamish, you're referring to what I have said?[20:36:46] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[20:37:05] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[20:38:46] *** sambagirl has quit IRC[20:39:02] *** PasNox_ has joined #haiku[20:40:49] <hamishm> yes[20:40:51] *** elliottc1ble has joined #haiku[20:41:09] <Giova84> Ok.. I have no noticed any kind of exception.. But consider the fact that i'm not an expert..[20:41:37] <hamishm> okay[20:41:42] <hamishm> can you copy some lines before the crash?[20:42:33] <Giova84> I'll try to build it again and then i will copy these lines[20:43:06] <hamishm> what revision of haiku are you running btw? and is it gcc2/4h?[20:43:19] <Giova84> Yes is gcc2/4h[20:44:00] <hamishm> and what revision?[20:44:04] <hamishm> it's the hrev number in the about box[20:44:19] <Giova84> hrev44528[20:44:28] <Giova84> Here another lines:[20:44:29] <Giova84> http://pastebin.com/WuA39e4H[20:45:14] *** jayrulez_ has joined #haiku[20:45:16] *** dimonov_ has joined #haiku[20:45:18] <hamishm> eek. Yeah there's an exception there[20:45:43] <hamishm> try this:[20:45:48] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[20:45:49] *** ksx4system has quit IRC[20:45:50] *** jayrulez has quit IRC[20:45:51] *** PasNox has quit IRC[20:45:54] *** dimonov has quit IRC[20:46:03] *** Soft has quit IRC[20:46:03] *** Jessica_lily has quit IRC[20:46:06] *** elliottcable has quit IRC[20:46:09] <hamishm> export LIBRARY_PATH=/Haiku8GB/tmp/j2sdk-image/jre/lib/i386/:$LIBRARY_PATH[20:46:14] <hamishm> and then try again[20:47:49] <Giova84> I'm tryng. Seems ok![20:48:56] <Giova84> My CPU is under load of compiling :)[20:50:28] <hamishm> great[20:51:36] *** Soft has joined #haiku[20:52:01] *** Jessica_lily has joined #haiku[20:52:02] *** Jessica_lily has joined #haiku[20:52:48] <Anarchos> jessicah`: what are the bugs on snowflakes ?[21:00:48] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[21:01:16] *** Xcyish has quit IRC[21:01:30] *** stargater has joined #haiku[21:01:32] <stargater> re[21:01:42] <stargater> hd audio not working ?[21:02:45] *** ksx4system has joined #haiku[21:03:07] <Giova84> Is a very long process :) Thank you very much for the hint, Hamish![21:05:03] *** idefix_gromit has joined #haiku[21:08:28] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[21:08:47] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[21:09:33] *** bbjimmy has joined #haiku[21:10:02] *** Giova84 has left #haiku[21:20:02] <Premislaus> stargater: intel hda?[21:20:29] <stargater> amd[21:20:30] *** bob_ok has joined #haiku[21:20:37] <stargater> mom thinkpad x100e here[21:22:46] <bob_ok> free at laaast, free at laaast god almighty free at last! finally I'm not one of those poor souls using PPPoE. just bought wifi router with x4 ethernet switch.[21:23:48] <bob_ok> finally Haiku booted successfully on asus a7u with turion 64 x2, previously I had nasty errors with AMD-based systems[21:24:19] <Premislaus> http://dev.haiku-os.org/search?q=hda[21:24:26] <Skipp_OSX> bob_ok, good to hear[21:24:41] <Premislaus> maybe try oss?[21:24:52] <bob_ok> now if atheros wifi driver will work on this, I can fall asleep happy as a little child :)[21:25:09] <Skipp_OSX> bob_ok, I believe we do support some atheros[21:25:29] <bob_ok> btw the problems mainly was around usb stack, I loaded gcc4 nightly build now[21:25:54] <bob_ok> Skipp_OSX: oh that's lovely[21:26:40] <bob_ok> anyone knows how to enable custom res on vesa? say 1440x900[21:27:00] <Skipp_OSX> bob_ok, nvidia card?[21:27:20] <bob_ok> dunno what driver in use now on this laptop, its some integrated older radeon chip[21:27:58] <bob_ok> device 791f: RS690M [Radeon X1200 Series][21:28:15] <bob_ok> this is how it presented in listdev[21:28:37] <Skipp_OSX> hmm but not supported by radeon driver, interesting...[21:29:03] <bob_ok> now the screen is a bit stretched, its 1152x864 max[21:29:59] <bob_ok> Skipp_OSX: that chip barely handles aero stuff in win7 and overall this laptop's performance on win7 sucks[21:30:10] <stargater> Premislaus: ATI SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA)"[21:30:17] <bob_ok> but haiku is just insanely fast on it[21:30:47] <bob_ok> "stupid fast" --Linux Action Show[21:31:34] <stargater> :-)[21:31:43] <leszek> stargater: as Intel HDA is normally supported perhaps cardid or something needs to be put into the driver.[21:32:04] <bob_ok> i guess widescreen resolutions aren't supported on most vesa cards[21:32:49] <Skipp_OSX> bob_ok, ymmv for vesa[21:34:14] <nortti> is there some way I can contribute to haiku finnish translation?[21:34:20] <Skipp_OSX> it appears that RADEON_RS690 is not supported by the radeon HD driver[21:35:07] <stargater> leszek: i have no sound output[21:35:12] <Skipp_OSX> nortti, http://i18n.haiku-os.org/pootle/[21:35:26] *** ksx4system has quit IRC[21:35:32] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[21:35:53] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[21:35:53] *** JsobCloud_ is now known as JsobCloud[21:35:53] <bob_ok> something tells me that this obscure chip probably would get a proper driver support before some major nvidia cards, jusst because lack of open specs for nvidias[21:36:36] <leszek> stargater: as I said, theoretically the driver supports your card but its missing the id from your specific card to recognize it propably. So a detailed info about vendor id and device id might be helpful in an bug report I guess[21:36:41] <bob_ok> i remember 3d is closed, but they didn't released specs for 2d acceleration even?[21:37:41] *** debianin_ has joined #haiku[21:38:32] <stargater> ok[21:39:04] *** Giova84 has joined #haiku[21:39:24] <bob_ok> wow haiku even recognizes firewire port on this guy... impressed[21:39:25] <Giova84> Hi Hamish,[21:39:25] <Giova84> The compiling process has take an hour of time.. And is quit with errors again..[21:39:25] <Giova84> http://pastebin.com/J6f055Kf[21:39:25] <Giova84> What can i do?[21:39:28] <Anarchos> how to install optional package on vmdk nightly ? The image is pretty full and unable to let me install stuff to develop in vmware[21:39:36] <nortti> Skipp_OSX: is it possible to do that without using javascript? links2 doesn't support that[21:40:10] <Skipp_OSX> Anarchos, you don't, you mount the blank_2gb vmdk disk and then install onto that[21:40:39] <Anarchos> Skipp_OSX: installoptionalpackage accept another partition ?[21:40:45] <Skipp_OSX> Anarchos, no[21:40:45] *** ksx4system has joined #haiku[21:41:15] <Skipp_OSX> Anarchos, basically the boot vmdk image in the nightly is just enough to get you started on a new partition it should not be used directly[21:42:13] *** tqh has quit IRC[21:42:46] <Skipp_OSX> nortti, no[21:43:19] <Anarchos> Skipp_OSX: oh ok thanks[21:43:49] *** bob_ok has quit IRC[21:45:46] <hamishm> Giova84: all I can guess is that SoundConsumer.h was copied badly or got corrupted somehow[21:46:11] <hamishm> maybe you accidently copied it in html format from cgit or something?[21:46:44] <Giova84> I can open it correctly with PE.. But i will try to download it again![21:46:57] <Giova84> IS marked as text/x-source-code[21:47:19] <hamishm> ok and in Pe it looks like a normal header file?[21:47:41] *** jayrulez_ is now known as jayrulez[21:47:53] <Giova84> I can see html headrs inside the file.. On the top[21:48:07] <hamishm> there shouldn't be any html in the file[21:48:27] <Giova84> Ok, so i will dowload it again using another browser![21:48:33] <hamishm> you can find the plaintext versions here:[21:48:34] <hamishm> http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/plain/headers/private/media/SoundConsumer.h[21:48:37] <hamishm> http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/plain/headers/private/media/SoundUtils.h[21:48:46] <Giova84> Thank you![21:48:58] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[21:49:17] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[21:51:00] *** Spacewalker has quit IRC[21:51:15] <Giova84> I have to go now.. Maybe tomorrow i will can hear sounds from Java applications :) Have a nice evening![21:51:28] *** Giova84 has left #haiku[21:52:51] *** juaa_ has joined #haiku[21:52:58] *** jua_ has quit IRC[21:53:12] *** dcase has quit IRC[22:06:40] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[22:06:59] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[22:07:38] <stargater> where can found the intel hd source (driver)[22:09:22] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[22:09:41] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[22:13:53] *** idefix_gromit has left #haiku[22:13:57] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[22:14:16] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[22:22:36] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[22:22:42] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[22:23:01] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[22:26:00] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[22:26:06] *** rdmr has quit IRC[22:26:18] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[22:26:37] *** PasNox_ has quit IRC[22:30:04] <stargater> ok my ticked of intel hda no sound is blocket[22:30:07] <stargater> hmm[22:30:08] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[22:30:09] *** HAIKU-Buildbot_ has quit IRC[22:30:19] <stargater> but i understand what is the problem[22:32:01] <dreamed> morning[22:32:18] *** fhein has quit IRC[22:33:55] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[22:33:55] *** JsobCloud_ is now known as JsobCloud[22:34:34] <Premislaus> dreamed: good evening ;)[22:34:39] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[22:35:36] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[22:36:43] <dreamed> New Zealand timezone, in case you're wondering ;)[22:37:26] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[22:37:44] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[22:48:20] *** diver has quit IRC[22:48:49] *** diver has joined #haiku[22:50:44] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[22:51:03] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[22:57:49] *** jayrulez has quit IRC[22:59:53] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[23:00:20] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[23:00:26] <Anarchos> how to verify a type at runtime ? a cast (Directory *)dir showed me in segfault that i have to be more careful about the cast[23:00:39] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[23:03:27] *** jayrulez has joined #haiku[23:04:09] <HeTo> dynamic_cast[23:04:25] *** Megaf has quit IRC[23:04:57] <HeTo> but note that the types need to be compatible (share a base class)[23:05:18] *** Giova84 has joined #haiku[23:05:59] <HeTo> also, if you need one, check that you aren't doing something wrong at first[23:06:05] <Giova84> Hi Hamish. I have a News: i have built correctly the newer OpenJDK with PCM support, but when i start a java app with sound (like Jajuk) media_addon_server crash..[23:06:56] <HeTo> and if you dynamic_cast to a pointer and it fails, the result will be nullptr; only with references you get an exception if it fails[23:07:05] <Giova84> And when i start a java game with sound (Trials Mountain Highs), the game will never load completely..[23:07:18] <HeTo> also, I'm not sure if GCC 2 supports dynamic_cast[23:07:57] *** HAIKU-Buildbot has joined #haiku[23:08:03] <augiedoggie> it supports all of the casts[23:08:32] <augiedoggie> dynamic/const/reinterpret/static[23:09:09] <Anarchos> hheok i will test if dynamic_cast is not null :)[23:10:05] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[23:10:06] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[23:11:47] *** stargater has quit IRC[23:13:41] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[23:14:52] <hamishm> Giova84: that's strange[23:15:03] <hamishm> I tried a couple of media player type apps and they all worked fine[23:15:55] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[23:15:56] <Giova84> Yes, that's strange.. Java apps start correctly.. But or there is no sound or media_addon_server just crash..[23:16:36] <Giova84> Maybe can you put online bin and libs files?[23:17:07] *** Megaf has joined #haiku[23:17:24] <hamishm> well I can though I'm not sure it would help[23:17:29] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[23:17:53] <Giova84> Maybe somathing os going wrong during my compilation :)[23:18:04] <hamishm> I'll fire off a build now and upload it when it's done[23:18:19] <Giova84> You are the man! :)[23:18:21] <hamishm> in the meantime I'll test jajuk[23:18:32] *** Ingenu has left #haiku[23:18:39] <Giova84> Jajuk looks very good![23:20:47] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[23:20:47] *** JsobCloud_ is now known as JsobCloud[23:21:19] <hamishm> jajuk works OK for me playing some wav files...[23:21:36] <hamishm> do you have a backtrace on the media addon server crash?[23:21:37] *** ismd has quit IRC[23:21:51] <Giova84> Yes.. I put it on pastebin[23:22:42] <Giova84> http://pastebin.com/8U64rvJV[23:23:10] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[23:23:47] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[23:25:19] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[23:26:52] <hamishm> hmm. I don't really understand how a crash there could be caused by user code[23:27:49] <Giova84> Yes.. Seems generic[23:29:01] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[23:29:04] <Giova84> Surely, during my compiling something was wrong..[23:29:45] *** JsobCloud_ has quit IRC[23:30:25] <hamishm> well I don't think so[23:30:38] <hamishm> the buffers used in that function are both allocated in the media kit[23:31:02] <hamishm> what is causing the crash btw, segmentation fault?[23:31:09] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[23:31:38] *** jayrulez has quit IRC[23:32:16] <Giova84> I have no idea.. media_addon_server crash when i try to play music files inside Jajuk[23:32:55] <Giova84> With the previous version of OpenJDK (of July), media_addon:server didn't crash[23:34:03] <Giova84> Unfortunately i'm not a software developer! :-)[23:34:15] *** oco has quit IRC[23:35:12] *** leszek has quit IRC[23:37:10] <Giova84> I have tried to compile OpenJDK version with PCM support, since i'd like to use jajuk and java games with sound[23:37:22] *** Negr0_VoP2P has quit IRC[23:37:54] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[23:38:05] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[23:38:05] *** JsobCloud_ is now known as JsobCloud[23:40:02] *** slubman has quit IRC[23:40:04] *** vezhlys has quit IRC[23:42:38] *** rdmr has joined #haiku[23:43:20] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[23:43:39] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[23:46:26] *** Skipp_OSX has quit IRC[23:50:25] *** kcj has joined #haiku[23:52:25] *** sambagirl has joined #haiku[23:53:55] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[23:56:07] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku