August 13, 2012 
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August 13, 2012 [00:00:47] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[00:01:40] *** Spacewalker has joined #haiku[00:03:57] *** dak has joined #haiku[00:05:40] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[00:05:40] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[00:05:46] *** Negr0_VoP2P has joined #haiku[00:05:57] *** Spacewalker has quit IRC[00:06:05] <Skipp_OSX> from the looks of it it failed on strcmp[00:08:07] <mmadia> Skipp_OSX -- btw, i found my notes about building jam on FreeBSD.[00:08:23] <mmadia> changing the makefile from -O3 to -O1 is what works.[00:08:24] <Skipp_OSX> okay... well, I'm past that but good :)[00:08:40] <Skipp_OSX> mmadia, not for me... perhaps this is a problem new to 9.0[00:08:57] <augiedoggie> I've built it on 9 without issues in the past[00:09:01] <mmadia> i'm on 9.0 too. iirc, the included gcc isnt very stable.[00:09:25] <augiedoggie> my install was 64 bit though[00:09:43] <mmadia> how'd you build Haiku on a 64bit version of freebsd?[00:09:57] <augiedoggie> very carefully :P[00:10:18] <augiedoggie> you have to set some environment variables to fool gcc2 into thinking it's 32 bit[00:10:32] <augiedoggie> iirc, UNAME_A and UNAME_M[00:10:35] <augiedoggie> or something[00:10:40] <mmadia> can you document that anywhere or email me your notes?[00:10:55] <augiedoggie> I don't have any notes and I don't have fbsd installed at the moment[00:12:59] *** Negr0_VoP2P has quit IRC[00:14:04] *** johnny_b has quit IRC[00:15:15] *** oco has joined #haiku[00:16:42] <Skipp_OSX> yeah, mine is amd64[00:17:26] <Skipp_OSX> is that no good? I'm just trying to test some stuff... I figured it would work, but, I can grab 32 bit if that is better[00:17:39] <augiedoggie> 64 isn't really supported[00:17:45] <Skipp_OSX> I see...[00:17:59] <augiedoggie> you could probably set up a 32 bit chroot to work in[00:18:05] <augiedoggie> to make things smoother[00:18:54] <Skipp_OSX> no matter, I'll just grab a 32bit vm[00:34:07] *** oco has quit IRC[00:34:46] *** oco has joined #haiku[00:34:49] <jstressman> DHowett: did you file a ticket for that on Trac? (the bug tracker)[00:34:55] *** oco has quit IRC[00:36:32] <jessicah> wow, so much discussion about the desktop this morning...[00:36:47] <dreamed> jessicah: I think the channel saves it up[00:37:16] <jessicah> :)[00:38:35] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[00:39:45] <jessicah> also, for my eeebox, actually having different resolutions on workspaces is good for me[00:40:11] <jessicah> i can have one permanently set to 720p, so fullscreen videos don't choke[00:40:54] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[00:47:59] *** sarcas has quit IRC[00:49:27] *** Negr0_VoP2P has joined #haiku[00:50:58] <jessicah> eeek, maybe haiku really did trash my ntfs partition[00:51:03] <jessicah> windows doesn't boot anymore[00:51:12] <dreamed> oh dear[00:51:17] <dreamed> try booting it into repair mode?[00:51:27] <jessicah> that's where it's at right now[00:51:35] * dreamed nods[00:51:37] <dreamed> gl[00:51:47] <jessicah> Attempting repairs... Repairing disk errors. This might take over an hour to complete.[00:52:43] <dreamed> early lunch?[00:52:52] <jessicah> hmm?[00:53:07] <Skipp_OSX> DHowett, did you make a ticket?[00:53:08] <dreamed> take an hour :P[00:53:39] <jessicah> i'm not on my lunch break...[00:53:57] <dreamed> is it fixed?[00:54:16] <stargater> http://limadriver.org/[00:54:22] <jessicah> my eeebox?[00:54:30] <jessicah> no, it's still repairing[00:54:38] <stargater> kallisti5: around?[00:55:12] <Skipp_OSX> I got the same error make'ing jam on FreeBSD 32-bit :([00:55:24] <Skipp_OSX> changing -O3 to -O1 did not fix it[00:56:13] <mmadia> are you deleting all of the compiled objects?[00:56:51] <Skipp_OSX> mmadia, I don't think there are any, no x86 folder[00:57:57] <Skipp_OSX> brand new system besides[00:58:47] <dreamed> I meant your lunch break[00:58:52] <mmadia> what's your cc -v look like?[00:59:19] <jessicah> err, no, pretty flexible with my lunch break[00:59:20] <mmadia> and which *make are you trying?[00:59:38] <jessicah> but i'm not on lunch break. just hacking/playing with haiku while at work :)[01:00:03] <DHowett> Skipp_OSX: not yet ;P[01:00:08] <DHowett> i do intend to.[01:00:09] <mmadia> because i'm 100% certain that makefile change works on FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE i386[01:00:30] <Skipp_OSX> Using built-in specs Target: i386-undermydesk-freebsd Configured with: FreeBSD/i386 system compiler Thread mode: posix gcc version 4.2.1 20070831 patched [FreeBSD][01:00:32] <jessicah> well, atm, more like recovering windows so can back up files and install haiku[01:01:28] <Skipp_OSX> only thing I did different was use gmake because pmake doesn't work[01:01:43] <mmadia> right, gmake is what i use as well.[01:04:57] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[01:05:52] *** mattlacey has left #haiku[01:11:50] *** luroh has quit IRC[01:17:59] *** negusnyul has quit IRC[01:22:09] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[01:25:37] *** Ingenu_ has left #haiku[01:26:06] *** dobroerlanger has joined #haiku[01:38:03] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[01:38:03] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[01:41:00] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[01:42:27] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[01:45:05] *** dak has quit IRC[01:45:44] *** OmniMancer1 has joined #haiku[01:46:00] <stargater> ohoh plan9 website is off http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9[01:47:04] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[01:52:15] <stargater> jessicah: hi[01:52:52] <stargater> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=11568[01:55:00] <jessicah> hi stargater[01:55:13] *** Postumus has quit IRC[02:06:29] *** Negr0_VoP2P has quit IRC[02:15:21] <stargater> jessicah: how old are you?[02:15:21] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[02:16:01] *** BitPuffin has quit IRC[02:18:50] <jessicah> :o[02:18:58] <jessicah> 21[02:22:05] <stargater> :-)[02:23:51] *** mmadia has left #haiku[02:25:29] <stargater> its funny http://www.thedailybrick.co.uk/lego-custom-raspberry-pi-case.html[02:34:05] <CIA-63> haiku.master: jscipione * hrev44524 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=efeef5f : FreeBSD build fixes cpp => c [2 commits][02:34:41] <Skipp_OSX> okay that should allow Haiku to build on OS X 10.8 again... gtg for now[02:36:28] *** BitPuffin has joined #haiku[02:40:28] *** stpere has quit IRC[02:41:24] *** pseudomind has joined #haiku[02:47:35] *** paul0 has joined #haiku[02:47:46] *** jayrulez has quit IRC[02:50:52] *** happy4crazy has joined #haiku[02:53:29] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[02:54:49] *** HaikuUser2 has joined #haiku[02:55:16] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[02:55:33] *** HaikuUser2 has joined #haiku[02:56:05] *** HaikuUser2 has quit IRC[02:57:38] *** andrewbachmann has joined #haiku[03:17:48] *** OmniMancer1 has quit IRC[03:18:07] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[03:19:31] *** OmniMancer1 has joined #haiku[03:22:37] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[03:26:40] *** dreimine is now known as AmineKhaldi[03:32:32] *** OmniMancer1 has quit IRC[03:33:35] *** OmniMancer1 has joined #haiku[03:36:52] <andrewbachmann> hrm no virtual memory enabled but I still have a 11GB swap file[03:36:53] <andrewbachmann> what?[03:38:38] <augiedoggie> you have to enable it and then move the slider down and then disable it[03:38:39] *** ITY has joined #haiku[03:38:48] <augiedoggie> with a reboot in there[03:38:52] <andrewbachmann> my slider is at 1m or so[03:39:55] *** andrewbachmann has quit IRC[03:42:04] *** andrewbachmann has joined #haiku[03:49:20] *** OmniMancer1 has quit IRC[03:54:22] *** SMCollins has joined #haiku[04:01:01] *** JonathanThompson has joined #haiku[04:01:21] *** ismd has joined #haiku[04:02:39] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[04:19:51] *** BitPuffin has quit IRC[04:24:47] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[04:25:47] *** panchoOK has joined #haiku[04:31:49] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[04:37:05] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[04:52:09] *** ITY has quit IRC[05:00:10] *** panchoOK has left #haiku[05:00:19] *** Megaf has quit IRC[05:03:17] *** stargater has quit IRC[05:22:11] *** MarkDLeBlanc has joined #haiku[05:25:58] *** DrHouse|TARDIS has quit IRC[05:30:22] *** andrewbachmann has quit IRC[06:00:55] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[06:01:38] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[06:05:28] *** qptain_Nemo has quit IRC[06:13:49] *** JonathanThompson has joined #haiku[06:15:51] <OmniMancer> hi JonathanThompson[06:16:18] <JonathanThompson> ho[06:16:47] *** MatthewH12 has joined #haiku[06:17:23] *** MatthewH12` has quit IRC[06:20:05] <jessicah> does haiku still lack digital audio?[06:24:30] <OmniMancer> what do you mean by digital audio?[06:25:17] <jessicah> like sending dts/dolby digital to my amp[06:25:35] <OmniMancer> so outputing and inputting purely digital signals[06:25:36] <jessicah> preferably as the undecoded bitstream[06:25:39] <jessicah> yes[06:26:10] *** Nozy has quit IRC[06:27:08] <OmniMancer> I am not sure it would depend on the specific sound card and if it were implemented in the driver[06:27:34] <OmniMancer> I suspect that this is still missing but I don't have any real information so I can't make hard comments[06:28:00] <CIA-63> haiku.master: nielx * hrev44525 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=2c2e65e : Update translations from Pootle[06:32:53] *** volci has quit IRC[06:33:11] <SMCollins> theres a note somewhere about the media server lacking support for sending/recieving spdif.[06:33:22] <SMCollins> cya later[06:33:24] *** SMCollins has quit IRC[06:42:13] *** Disreali has quit IRC[06:52:43] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[07:09:58] *** vezhlys has quit IRC[07:17:23] *** Skipp_OSX has quit IRC[07:21:35] *** HeTo_ has joined #haiku[07:22:08] *** HeTo has quit IRC[07:38:57] *** letharion has quit IRC[07:45:01] *** letharion has joined #haiku[08:06:34] *** johnny_b has joined #haiku[08:07:42] *** ksx4system has quit IRC[08:09:38] *** [r4] has quit IRC[08:11:32] *** ksx4system has joined #haiku[08:13:42] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[08:16:31] *** Spacewalker has joined #haiku[08:21:22] *** Spacewalker has quit IRC[08:22:00] *** MatthewH12 has quit IRC[08:22:02] *** Spacewalker has joined #haiku[08:28:55] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[08:32:26] *** _marc` has quit IRC[08:48:50] <arfonzo> morning all[08:49:24] <arfonzo> jstressman: where did I say qupzilla was "perfectly stable" on gcc4? IIRC I have always maintained that it crashes frequently.[08:54:19] <jessicah> hihi arfonzo[08:55:00] <arfonzo> good morning jessicah[08:56:08] <dreamed> 'lo[08:56:35] *** nsuperbus has joined #haiku[08:56:37] *** stpere has joined #haiku[08:59:47] *** pseudomind has quit IRC[09:04:27] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[09:05:29] <jessicah> home time :)[09:05:41] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[09:05:53] <dreamed> very late[09:05:53] <dreamed> heh[09:09:11] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[09:09:11] *** JsobCloud_ is now known as JsobCloud[09:12:09] *** stpere has quit IRC[09:15:24] *** Spacewalker has quit IRC[09:21:25] *** letharion has quit IRC[09:23:11] *** Negr0_VoP2P_LMin has joined #haiku[09:26:01] *** HeTo_ is now known as HeTo[09:28:26] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[09:28:29] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[09:28:30] *** JsobCloud_ is now known as JsobCloud[09:29:21] *** _marc` has joined #haiku[09:36:44] *** letharion has joined #haiku[09:45:03] <jessicah> yeah... =/[09:46:31] *** cebulon has joined #haiku[09:53:46] *** bob_ok has joined #haiku[09:59:55] *** stargater has joined #haiku[10:00:07] <jessicah> hihi stargater[10:00:29] <stargater> jo hi and good morning jessicah[10:00:53] <dreamed> 'lo[10:03:09] <jessicah> cloning haiku takes so long =/[10:07:08] <stargater> have you make a new patch?[10:11:29] *** backb0ne has quit IRC[10:12:46] <jessicah> not yet[10:19:04] <stargater> ok[10:21:08] <jessicah> just experimenting/playing around atm[10:23:34] *** tic has joined #haiku[10:38:09] <stargater> ah nice[10:38:24] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[10:38:42] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[10:48:14] *** letharion has quit IRC[10:51:31] <jstressman> arfonzo: I'm pretty sure you said you'd been using it for 24 hours without a crash or something.[10:51:36] <jstressman> right when you first built 1.3.1[10:51:47] <bob_ok> hey, some new Java-based game on Haiku: http://img.leprosorium.com/1533250[10:53:48] *** letharion has joined #haiku[10:56:00] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[10:56:07] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[10:57:58] *** bob_ok has quit IRC[10:58:45] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[10:58:45] *** JsobCloud_ is now known as JsobCloud[10:59:40] <diver> more screenshots are here https://plus.google.com/105261757212576203663/posts/EiuUq1N8Tk1[11:01:07] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[11:01:26] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[11:06:26] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.[11:12:31] <jessicah> morning brobostigon[11:13:19] <brobostigon> morning jessicah[11:15:29] <jessicah> gosh, writing c++ code is so tiring[11:15:39] <brobostigon> agreed.[11:16:02] <jessicah> so repetitive and blah[11:16:21] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[11:16:24] <brobostigon> i just find any programming language difficult.[11:17:07] <jstressman> why don't my windows have yellow borders all the way around?[11:17:42] *** cebulon has quit IRC[11:17:47] <jessicah> are they supposed to?[11:20:18] <jstressman> I'm not sure if they were diver's shots yesterday, but I saw 2 others then with the same borders.[11:20:31] <jstressman> mocking up "maximizing" windows to not cover the deskbar.[11:23:07] <jessicah> i generally don't use the deskbar for switching windows[11:23:26] <jessicah> it's so useless for window management[11:23:36] <jessicah> easier to right-click the tab[11:23:40] <jstressman> that's precisely what I was saying yesterday. ;)[11:24:45] <jessicah> hmm, only use it when minimized a window[11:25:50] <jessicah> i just make extensive use of workspaces[11:25:53] <jessicah> works great[11:26:01] <jessicah> i colour code them too[11:33:54] <jessicah> ooooh, new falling skies today :)[11:36:16] <diver> jstressman: you can use Appearance to change Active window border to windows's tab color[11:37:51] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[11:40:33] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[11:40:33] *** JsobCloud_ is now known as JsobCloud[11:43:38] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[11:54:37] *** rimio has joined #haiku[11:55:43] <jstressman> diver: ah :)[11:56:26] <jstressman> jessicah: as I've said a few times now, forcing a user to use workarounds for a lack of usability is "doing it wrong"(tm) ;)[11:56:58] <jessicah> oh, i wasn't really complaining[11:57:08] <jessicah> i generally like how things work in haiku[12:03:40] *** Postumus has joined #haiku[12:04:05] <jstressman> generally I do.[12:04:21] <jstressman> but I don't like tracker or deskbar. ;)[12:04:24] <jstressman> brb... sammich time.[12:04:42] <jessicah> lol[12:04:52] <jessicah> that's a lot of haiku to dislike[12:05:30] <jessicah> though there were variants of tracker for beos too for people who didn't like the default tracker[12:17:58] <arfonzo> jstressman: yes, it runs sometimes for a day, sometimes it crashes within 5 minutes here as well. :( QtWebKit 2.0 will cause it to "never" be stable until it's rebuilt/reported for Haiku, unfortunately. :( In any event I don't consider Qupzilla stable at all... but it does seem to handle more web pages better, than other browsers, for now. It's all very messy.[12:19:52] <arfonzo> ^ Very annoying for people like me who like to keep a browser open from here until eternity, but alas.[12:20:31] <arfonzo> And, just to be clear, the crashing happens on every single web browser which uses the provided QtWebKit libs, so dillo, arora, and other similar browsers I have built all crash "randomly" due to this. :([12:20:43] <arfonzo> er, sorry, not dillo, but dooble! hah.[12:22:46] <arfonzo> The one benefit Qupzilla has over the other web browsers I've ported/built is that it seems to recover pages quite well after it crashes.[12:27:39] <jstressman> arfonzo: yeah, I flip between Web+ and QupZilla depending on what I'm trying to do.[12:27:53] <jstressman> some things I just can't do in either and have to reboot to Windows or Linux.[12:28:01] <jessicah> lol[12:28:55] <jstressman> jessicah: part of it is the lack of fast keyboard navigation that I'm used to... or having to throw out decades of muscle memory because Haiku insists on doing it differently than everyone else...[12:29:23] <jstressman> (and switching the keys to "windows mode" or whatever still doesn't make it much better... since it's still mix and match)[12:29:34] <jessicah> :p[12:29:56] <jessicah> use a mac for a while[12:30:02] <jstressman> I tend to navigate lots of folders with one hand on backspace and the other on the mouse...[12:30:04] <jessicah> it'll get easier then[12:30:15] <jstressman> so I can very very quickly drill down and go right back up the tree again.[12:30:31] <jstressman> macs are heinously evil :) no thanks.[12:30:40] <jessicah> you need an intellimouse explorer[12:30:50] <jessicah> then you could just use the mouse[12:30:51] <jstressman> I used to really want one until the company got so evil that it made MS in its evil heyday look like a saint. ;)[12:31:08] <jstressman> again... forcing the user to work around ui shortcomings. ;)[12:31:59] <jstressman> I don't think there's anything wrong with liking Haiku in general, but really disliking a few particular aspects of the ui.[12:33:26] <jstressman> I don't want to be accused of wanting to make "jstressman-OS" as I was before. ;)[12:33:36] <jessicah> hehe[12:34:51] <jstressman> maybe I'll try adding another article to my blog today.[12:35:14] <jstressman> maybe I'll tackle my dislike of the spatial tracker. ;)[12:35:21] <jessicah> about what you dislike in the ui?[12:35:23] <jstressman> somewhere I have a ton of bookmarks already.[12:35:37] <jstressman> I just need to organize my thoughts, references, sources, etc.[12:35:56] <jessicah> spatial tracker? mac has same with finder, right?[12:36:03] <jstressman> don't know. I don't use macs.[12:36:12] <jessicah> where position of icons is persistent[12:36:18] <jessicah> that the one?[12:36:24] <jstressman> that's part of it, yes.[12:36:38] <jessicah> what's other part of it?[12:36:52] <jstressman> the default behavior of opening a new window for every folder you go into.[12:37:02] <jessicah> oh[12:37:09] <jstressman> there are reasons all the other OSs abandoned it years ago.[12:37:14] <jstressman> most users hate it.[12:37:14] <jessicah> yeah, that's a bit annoying[12:37:15] <stargater> jstressman: you can setting the tracker[12:37:32] <jstressman> stargater: as I've said countless times before, you don't make the DEFAULT behavior the one most users are going to hate.[12:37:43] <jessicah> that was smth opentracker remedied back in the beos days, iirc[12:37:56] <jstressman> adding some setting (that users won't even know about by default) to let them fix a bad default design choice is "doing it wrong"(tm)[12:38:28] <jstressman> deskbar is another example of that.[12:38:45] <jstressman> bad default design, that you can tweak with settings to make slightly better, but still quite lacking.[12:39:34] <jstressman> most of that long long discussion yesterday was about ideas for improving these things.[12:39:51] <jstressman> but essentially most of them wouldn't be touched until at least post-R1 anyway.[12:40:19] <jessicah> maybe[12:40:30] <jstressman> since they deviate quite a bit from the Be way, and R1 is supposed to be like a modern Be, not going to far off in its own direction.[12:40:39] <jessicah> argh, just wanna watch falling skies[12:40:48] <jessicah> stupid torrent =/[12:40:52] <jstressman> I'm going to watch it in a bit. :)[12:40:59] <jstressman> ~5 more mins.[12:42:11] <jessicah> avg speed is like 50kB/s[12:42:16] <jessicah> it's ridiculous[12:42:37] <jessicah> and upload speeds in nz are abysmal[12:42:54] <jessicah> which doesn't help[12:49:31] <jstressman> check your PM.[12:56:11] <Anarchos> jstressman we should focus to be more BeOS compatible for R1.[12:58:16] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[13:00:59] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[13:00:59] *** JsobCloud_ is now known as JsobCloud[13:02:35] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[13:02:53] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[13:03:36] *** happy4crazy has quit IRC[13:04:12] *** happy4crazy has joined #haiku[13:04:49] *** happy4crazy has quit IRC[13:04:59] *** happy4crazy has joined #haiku[13:10:16] *** Blub\w has joined #haiku[13:12:43] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[13:13:12] *** Megaf has joined #haiku[13:13:17] *** happy4crazy has quit IRC[13:13:51] *** happy4crazy has joined #haiku[13:15:41] *** backb0ne has joined #haiku[13:16:11] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[13:16:11] *** JsobCloud_ is now known as JsobCloud[13:17:29] <jstressman> Anarchos: I know. :) pretty much all of what I'm talking about is either R2 type stuff, or stuff that would go in a replacement application... not changes to make to current core functionality.[13:17:44] <jstressman> I do think some small things should be fixed... like viewing long filenames on the desktop.[13:17:55] <jstressman> but for most, they would be too big of a change for R1.[13:18:27] <Anarchos> jstressman oh don't worry, our haiku first class programmers are pretty well aware of that :)[13:18:33] *** happy4crazy has quit IRC[13:19:10] *** rimio has quit IRC[13:21:28] *** backb0ne has quit IRC[13:26:08] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[13:28:04] <Anarchos> Who needs latex ?[13:28:51] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[13:28:51] *** JsobCloud_ is now known as JsobCloud[13:33:49] *** TimKack has joined #haiku[13:36:24] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[13:43:08] *** TimKack` has joined #haiku[13:44:56] *** TimKack has quit IRC[14:15:21] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[14:15:39] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[14:17:55] <stargater> cu[14:17:57] *** stargater has quit IRC[14:26:01] *** kcj has quit IRC[14:30:35] *** Postumus has quit IRC[14:38:44] *** eml has quit IRC[14:41:41] *** letharion has quit IRC[14:46:27] *** eml has joined 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network[15:53:15] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[15:53:15] *** JsobCloud_ is now known as JsobCloud[15:59:54] <Anarchos> stargater i hope so : i have to plug my laptop with an ethernet cable...[16:04:05] <stargater> yes , good idear, but my carble to sort, i need 4m +[16:04:25] <stargater> kallisti5: are you here ?[16:08:43] <stargater> Anarchos: do you a developer ?[16:11:23] <stargater> ok go out into the sun ;-)[16:16:36] *** Spacewalker has joined #haiku[16:18:07] *** happy4crazy has joined #haiku[16:22:51] *** happy4crazy has quit IRC[16:23:18] *** happy4crazy has joined #haiku[16:32:21] <Anarchos> stargater no i am not[16:32:32] <Anarchos> stargater i develop on haiku but not haiku itself[16:34:59] *** happy4cr_ has joined #haiku[16:36:51] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[16:37:10] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[16:37:47] *** happy4crazy has quit IRC[16:39:22] *** negusnyul has quit IRC[16:39:22] *** BitPuffin has quit IRC[16:39:23] *** nsuperbus has quit IRC[16:39:28] *** rkbm has quit 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Whatcha testing?[17:02:12] *** happy4crazy has quit IRC[17:03:14] *** dcase has joined #haiku[17:09:25] *** happy4crazy has joined #haiku[17:09:51] <diver> an attempt to recreate gonx theme under Haiku:[17:09:51] <diver> http://cotito.free.fr/projects/Gonx/0052.png[17:09:51] <diver> http://dl.dropbox.com/s/h9lwd2caeule7va/haiku_gonx_theme.png[17:10:35] *** _marc` has quit IRC[17:11:27] <Anarchos> diver very good ![17:12:24] <diver> :-) http://startubuntu.ru/themes/GTK2-Gonxical.tar.gz skin for ubuntu[17:13:25] <leszek> ubuntu uses gtk3 nowadays, so this one will only work for older gtk2 based apps :P[17:13:58] <diver> ah, yeah, I'm still using 10.04, tho..[17:14:36] *** bob_ok has joined #haiku[17:16:24] *** Negr0_VoP2P_LMin has quit IRC[17:19:55] *** bob_ok has quit IRC[17:20:41] <leszek> diver: only supported till the next year :P[17:23:54] <diver> oh well[17:26:50] *** martinhpedersen has joined #haiku[17:30:11] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[17:31:14] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[17:31:16] *** pseudomind has quit IRC[17:39:28] <jstressman> http://pastebin.com/ZRTVU61y[17:39:33] <jstressman> any reason we can't do that?[17:40:00] <jstressman> so that compiling apps doesn't spam the output log with thousands of lines of visibility warnings?[17:40:23] *** qptain_Nemo has joined #haiku[17:41:29] <Anarchos> jstressman i see no reason ! feel free to submit patch :)[17:41:43] <jstressman> to where? just put it in Trac?[17:44:00] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[17:44:12] *** happy4crazy has quit IRC[17:44:27] *** happy4crazy has joined #haiku[17:46:04] <PulkoMandy> jstressman: was thinking about it actually, yes, you can open a ticket[17:46:24] <PulkoMandy> I'll have a look but I'm not sure the gl headers are still part of haiku source or an optional package[17:46:32] <PulkoMandy> it's a bit more annoying to change the optional package[17:47:15] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[17:47:15] *** JsobCloud_ is now known as JsobCloud[17:49:48] *** stpere has joined #haiku[17:51:47] *** happy4cr_ has joined #haiku[17:51:52] *** happy4crazy has quit IRC[17:51:57] <PulkoMandy> mh[17:51:59] <PulkoMandy> here they are[17:52:04] <PulkoMandy> so let's just fix that :)[17:58:46] *** volci has quit IRC[17:59:32] <Anarchos> very strange error :[17:59:36] <Anarchos> /Data1/ocaml-bitstring-2.0.3> make[17:59:37] <Anarchos> { echo '/* DO NOT EDIT! GENERATED AUTOMATICALLY! */'; \[17:59:37] <Anarchos> cat ./byteswap.in.h; \[17:59:38] <Anarchos> } > byteswap.h-t[17:59:38] <Anarchos> runtime_loader: Cannot open file libroot.so: No such file or directory[18:01:05] <stargater> Anarchos: what develop you?[18:01:26] <Anarchos> stargater i am compiling stuff around ocaml[18:02:00] <stargater> ah ok[18:02:03] <Anarchos> stargater i ported BeTeX and LateX[18:02:18] <Anarchos> stargater i am developing a first order verifier (for inputs in LaTeX)[18:02:29] <stargater> yes nice[18:02:34] <Anarchos> stargater i began a disassembler[18:02:51] <Anarchos> stargater i began to port alliance (CAD toolchain) to native Be Api isntead of X[18:05:10] *** jmelesky has joined #haiku[18:05:16] *** happy4cr_ has quit IRC[18:05:17] <stargater> lot of work[18:05:52] *** happy4crazy has joined #haiku[18:07:28] *** Negr0_VoP2P has joined #haiku[18:07:40] *** volci has joined #haiku[18:15:43] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[18:17:32] <stpere> PulkoMandy, you did ask a very good question.. :)[18:21:39] *** nuclearcowboy has joined #haiku[18:22:15] <stargater> have anyone a raspberry pi ?[18:23:16] <Anarchos> stargater no[18:24:04] *** _marc` has joined #haiku[18:34:33] *** nortti has joined #haiku[18:36:27] <nortti> this is probably a noob question but where can I get the libraries to run Arora?[18:40:52] *** backb0ne has quit IRC[18:44:07] <jstressman> PulkoMandy: https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/8882[18:48:05] <negusnyul> hmm I moved my haiku/ and buildtools/ directories and now I get an error about mime types (see http://pastebin.com/Rf1tqYaa)[18:48:50] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[18:50:25] <diver> negusnyul: try jam clean[18:52:29] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[18:52:29] *** JsobCloud_ is now known as JsobCloud[18:54:27] <stargater> kallisti5: around?[18:56:12] *** backb0ne has joined #haiku[18:59:08] *** Ingenu has joined #haiku[19:01:07] *** ddavid123 has joined #haiku[19:02:53] *** ddavid123 has quit IRC[19:05:13] *** nuclearcowboy has quit IRC[19:07:56] *** luroh has joined #haiku[19:08:02] <stargater> hi luroh[19:08:25] <luroh> evening[19:09:18] *** idefix_gromit has joined #haiku[19:10:07] <stargater> luroh: have you a raspberry pi ?[19:10:35] <luroh> nope, but i saw one IRL today for the first time, incidentally[19:11:22] *** oco has joined #haiku[19:11:40] <stargater> and intresting HW ?[19:11:57] <stargater> i see a open source gpu driver http://limadriver.org/[19:12:28] <luroh> yeah, surprisingly quick to boot xbmc[19:12:28] * Anarchos wants to implement mmix !!![19:12:55] <stargater> mmix?[19:13:39] <nortti> it is processor architecture[19:13:59] <Anarchos> stargater google for "mmix knuth"[19:15:02] <stargater> ah i see risc 64 bit modell computer[19:15:25] <stargater> and what can make with this now[19:15:43] <nortti> nothing really[19:15:55] <nortti> but I'm trying to port my os to mmix[19:16:20] <stargater> your os ?[19:16:44] <nortti> small bytecode kernel os written in forth[19:16:52] <stargater> url?[19:17:02] <nortti> not released[19:17:12] <Anarchos> nortti wow am i not the only one interested in mmix ??[19:17:12] <stargater> ok[19:17:33] <nortti> I'm keeping it on just my computer until I get processes working[19:17:54] <Anarchos> nortti ok :)[19:18:21] <Anarchos> nortti have you good links about mmix tutorials besides the knuth's ones ?[19:18:28] <nortti> no[19:18:43] <Anarchos> nortti how did you learn it ?[19:18:54] <nortti> I don't remember[19:20:58] <nortti> I think there is intruction reference and documentation at mmix.cs.hm.edu/doc/[19:22:14] <Anarchos> nortti ok so knuth ones :)[19:25:22] <PulkoMandy> who else would use it ? there is no hardware ? :)[19:25:41] <stargater> need i under linux a xserver for 3d gl games? or can i start from shell without xserver stuff[19:25:53] <Anarchos> PulkoMandy no hardware yet , just a fpga implementation very prototypal[19:26:09] <geist> it's an example instruction set. plenty of those around[19:26:28] <stargater> hi geist[19:26:31] <geist> hola[19:26:44] <Anarchos> geist yes, but it is knuth's one :)[19:26:46] <stargater> plan your new os port to raspberry pi ?[19:26:55] <geist> what, me?[19:27:02] <stargater> yes[19:27:09] <PulkoMandy> stargater: no need for X11[19:27:12] <geist> i have exactly zero interest in rpi[19:27:14] <PulkoMandy> OpenGL was part of BeOS even[19:27:25] <geist> i have actually negative interest in that board, since broadcomm doesn't deserve it[19:27:35] <Anarchos> geist and in sparc .[19:27:36] <Anarchos> ?[19:27:54] <stargater> ok geist[19:28:00] <geist> haven't fired up one of my sparc boxes in a while[19:28:06] <geist> not sure they even work anymore[19:28:19] <stargater> geist: but do you work on new os at time?[19:28:25] <PulkoMandy> anyway, so let's try to build that ARM toolchain on Haiku ...[19:28:32] <geist> newos? no. i haven't worked on it since about 2004[19:29:02] <nortti> what is newos?[19:29:10] <stargater> geist: ups, long time. have you other projects?[19:29:20] <geist> an old os project i started back in 2000 that haiku was forked off of[19:29:28] <geist> stargater: yep[19:29:36] <Anarchos> nortti newos is the kernel made by geist who is a former Be engineer (and a God of us all)[19:29:40] <stargater> geist: can you tell[19:29:45] <stargater> nortti: http://newos.org/[19:29:58] <stargater> nortti: haiku is based on this ;-)[19:30:32] <geist> i have been thinking of writing a pure microkernel, i have a project in my repo somewhere with one[19:30:32] <stargater> nortti: geist is god of haiku kernel[19:30:42] <geist> i hacked one at my last company and it worked pretty well. learned somethings from it[19:31:01] <Anarchos> geist why be was not purely microkernel ?[19:31:02] <geist> but right now i mostly hack on lk. it's a little embedded kernel. use it here and there for embedded hackery[19:31:07] <geist> not at all[19:31:13] <nortti> why is c++ used in newos?[19:31:25] <geist> because?[19:31:40] <stargater> geist: nice, wha think you about hurd, it a microkernel too[19:31:48] <PulkoMandy> it's more powerful than C and does not require that much more runtime support[19:31:50] <geist> dunno, never looked at hurd[19:32:31] <nortti> geist: what about minix kernel?[19:32:41] <geist> what about it?[19:33:09] <nortti> what do you think about it?[19:33:09] <geist> i have very little opinion of it[19:33:28] <geist> it's an async ukernel model, which i have very little interest in[19:33:47] <geist> i'm more interested in QNX/L4 style ukernels[19:33:52] <geist> they seem more interesting[19:33:56] <stargater> geist: what is the name of your new kernel, url?[19:34:03] <Anarchos> geist i read some doc about L4, it seems really impressive[19:34:07] <geist> lk?[19:34:30] <geist> https://github.com/travisg/lk mostly[19:34:51] <geist> though it's forked all over the place. quite a few companies use it for different projects, but that's as close to the 'main' repo as can be[19:35:52] <negusnyul> diver: now I get the same error (failed SetType1) but on a different file (libroot)[19:37:51] <stargater> geist: lk used a own compiler ? or gcc[19:38:13] <geist> gcc[19:38:17] <stargater> ok[19:40:43] <stargater> geist: no userland stuff on lk ?[19:41:43] <geist> it's an embedded kernel[19:41:49] <geist> lk == little kernel[19:41:54] <geist> runs primarily on ARM[19:42:17] <geist> one of its forks (closed source) added a full userspace, but it's not visible[19:42:39] <nortti> is it monolithic, modular or microkernel?[19:43:04] <geist> being that it's about 10k compiled, and a single binary, then i guess its mono[19:43:19] <geist> but those kind of things dont really apply to embedded kernels like this[19:43:34] <geist> since most of the time you dont have seperate address spaces because you dont have the hardware[19:43:49] <geist> or, more often, the machine doesn't have enough ram to keep it seperate if you wanted (8K-32K ram)[19:44:41] *** rdmr has joined #haiku[19:46:15] <stargater> and what a userspace are used?[19:47:01] <geist> there is no userspace[19:47:13] <stargater> yes. ok[19:47:29] <stargater> but a console ouputs i see[19:47:35] <geist> yep[19:47:52] <stargater> gfxconcole a graphics console ;-)[19:48:03] <geist> just a little shell, it's just a module. not necessary[19:48:41] <stargater> and bash or zsh port to lk? and used[19:49:38] <geist> no, you really dont get it. it's an embedded kernel[19:49:50] *** oco has quit IRC[19:49:54] <geist> it's for cpus that are too small to run anything large. 64KB ram. 10mhz, etc[19:50:07] <geist> it's intended to be booted and run soemthing. the shell is there for debugging[19:50:12] <geist> you dont actually interact with it[19:50:36] <nortti> hmm. that hardware would be too limited for normal use even for me[19:51:02] <geist> right. that's the point. having a little preemptive system is handy, but it's for embedded stuff, which is where i spend most of my time nowadays. it's fun![19:51:22] <stargater> ok, but i the its a x86 port of lk[19:51:29] <geist> yep. there's an x86 port[19:52:50] <nortti> would lk be usable for day to day use?[19:52:55] <geist> no[19:53:09] <geist> well, 'usable' yes. not in the way you expect[19:53:14] <geist> it's an EMBEDDED KERNEL[19:53:26] <geist> runs on your microwave, or your car, or that sort of thing[19:53:27] <nortti> if we consisder freedos to be usable[19:53:31] <geist> not something you run on your PC[19:53:54] <geist> you dont use it directly, it runs on top of little cpus that do one or two things 24/7[19:54:20] <nortti> I get that[19:54:45] <nortti> I just like to use strange operating systems[19:54:50] <geist> sure[19:55:13] *** Blub\w has quit IRC[19:55:50] <stargater> geist: i remember newos have art app server ?[19:55:59] <geist> hmm?[19:56:21] <stargater> window manager apps with buttons etc[19:56:29] <geist> yes?[19:56:57] <stargater> this was intresting[19:57:06] <stargater> small os[19:57:07] *** rdmr has quit IRC[19:57:46] <nortti> hmm. was the windowing system API like beos or something completely different?[19:58:31] *** idefix_gromit has left #haiku[19:58:38] *** rdmr has joined #haiku[20:00:00] <stargater> it whas in wip nit finish, i think[20:00:17] <stargater> http://newos.org/features.php[20:01:51] <nortti> it has its own libx[20:01:56] <nortti> *libc?[20:02:46] <stargater> geist: what is this ? https://github.com/travisg/davesgalaxy any screen shots or a video of this?[20:03:34] <geist> no. it's a bunch of scripts to talk to a game called daves galaxy[20:05:05] <stargater> this = http://www.davesgalaxy.com/[20:07:05] *** vezhlys has joined #haiku[20:11:01] *** nortti has quit IRC[20:11:59] *** nortti has joined #haiku[20:24:16] *** nortti has quit IRC[20:25:11] *** nsuperbus has quit IRC[20:29:40] *** letharion has quit IRC[20:36:14] *** letharion has joined #haiku[20:36:20] *** nortti has joined #haiku[20:44:40] *** Skipp_OSX has joined #haiku[20:56:55] <jstressman> PulkoMandy: I'm having trouble figuring out when the visibility attribute stuff was added. :/[20:57:03] <jstressman> I just based that version check on one from LUA.[20:57:15] <jstressman> plus I'd like to change it a bit anyway...[20:57:32] <jstressman> to further add a check for __ELF__, since it only makes sense for that (from what I can tell).[21:01:58] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[21:03:49] *** leszek_ has joined #haiku[21:04:15] *** leszek has quit IRC[21:04:19] *** leszek_ is now known as leszek[21:10:07] *** martinhpedersen has quit IRC[21:13:52] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[21:17:53] <dreamed> morning[21:19:23] <CIA-63> HaikuPorts: scottmc * r2019 /haikuports/trunk/dev-libs/libffi/libffi-3.0.11.bep http://ports.haiku-files.org/changeset/2019 : Updated libffi to 3.0.11, this fixes #616.[21:23:55] <jessicah> gonx looks pretty interesting[21:24:15] <dreamed> wassat?[21:24:32] <jessicah> http://cotito.free.fr/projects/Gonx/0052.png[21:25:34] <Skipp_OSX> Jessicais that Zeta or some crazy Linux wm?[21:25:48] <jessicah> dunno[21:25:55] <nortti> jessicah: is that haiku with crazy theme?[21:26:01] <jessicah> beos[21:26:36] <Skipp_OSX> dano + photoshop?[21:26:59] <jessicah> http://dl.dropbox.com/s/h9lwd2caeule7va/haiku_gonx_theme.png[21:27:06] <jessicah> i think diver? trying to recreate[21:27:09] <stargater> oh no gonx is absolute bullshit stuff[21:27:42] <Skipp_OSX> jessicah, well, the Haiku one reasonable, Deskbar is not transparent and missing half of it, what is the tab at the bottom?[21:28:18] <jessicah> don't ask me[21:28:26] <jessicah> i was just looking at screenshots diver linked[21:28:35] <jessicah> trying to find more info atm :p[21:28:38] <Skipp_OSX> maybe a Deskbar replacement from Dan0 that never made the light of day[21:29:15] <PulkoMandy> photoshop[21:29:19] <PulkoMandy> http://cotito.free.fr/projects/[21:29:27] <PulkoMandy> (yes you have to read french to know it)[21:29:57] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[21:30:15] *** Dane_ has joined #haiku[21:30:38] <Skipp_OSX> I guess the transparent icons in the "dock" wouldn't be possible currently anyway[21:30:48] <Skipp_OSX> not that I'd want that[21:31:11] <PulkoMandy> well[21:31:19] <PulkoMandy> Paint Shop Pro 4 actually :)[21:31:19] <Dane_> Is there a way to use something like cat to combine a bunch of files, but to add the name of each file to the destination, thus indicating the start of each of the concatenated files?[21:31:33] <jessicah> google translate worked pretty well[21:32:01] <Dane_> mmu_man ?[21:32:35] <Skipp_OSX> you could alternate between cat and echo[21:32:46] <Dane_> Skipp_OSX How would that look?[21:32:53] *** ddavid123 has joined #haiku[21:33:21] <Skipp_OSX> Dane_: tricky...[21:33:37] <Dane_> Even better, is there a way to write the file creation date to the top of the contents of each file?[21:33:42] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[21:34:09] <Dane_> Ah, I have an even better idea...[21:34:17] <Dane_> Maybe this would be more doable.[21:34:22] <Skipp_OSX> Dane_: well, okay, you are gonna need to use awk to grab the data from ls and then use echo to write that to the stream[21:34:45] <Dane_> Skipp_OSX How 'bout the following...[21:34:45] <PulkoMandy> Dane_: I think find . -name "*" -exec something should work[21:34:59] <Dane_> PulkoMandy Check this out...[21:35:17] <jessicah> or you could just use a for loop with shell globbing[21:35:31] <Dane_> A script (or line) that grabs the name of each file in a folder and appends it to the beginning of every line in that file.[21:35:37] <Dane_> That would be the magic bullet in my case.[21:36:25] <PulkoMandy> find . -name "*" -print -exec cat {} \;[21:36:28] <PulkoMandy> that's recursive[21:36:34] <Dane_> woah[21:36:36] <PulkoMandy> but there are find options against that[21:36:39] <jessicah> so every line is like filename: the actual line...[21:36:40] <jessicah> ?[21:36:49] <Dane_> jessicah Yes[21:37:29] *** _marc` has quit IRC[21:38:03] <jessicah> smth like sed -i -e 's/^/$filename/g'[21:38:16] <PulkoMandy> grep . *[21:38:22] <PulkoMandy> that does the same, right ?[21:38:44] <jessicah> sed edits the file[21:38:59] <Dane_> trying the sed thingy[21:39:09] <Dane_> ~/Desktop/Output Logs> sed -i -e 's/^/$filename/g'[21:39:10] <Dane_> sed: no input files[21:39:10] <Dane_> ~/Desktop/Output Logs>[21:39:12] <jessicah> make a backup of your files :)[21:39:17] <Dane_> jessicah yep did[21:39:24] <jessicah> oh you need to give it files to use[21:39:31] <jessicah> that's not a fully working command :)[21:39:43] <Dane_> You have to realize you're talking to a complete idiot on this stuff :-)[21:39:48] <Skipp_OSX> ls -l | awk '{print $6 " " $7 " " $8 " " $9 }' will print the mod date and filename of a dir[21:40:07] <Skipp_OSX> it's not recursive like find though[21:40:33] <PulkoMandy> I still think "grep . *" is simpler :)[21:40:37] <PulkoMandy> well, it lacks the date[21:40:41] <Skipp_OSX> yeah[21:41:04] <Dane_> jessicah What do we need to add, to actually get the files?[21:41:22] <jessicah> well, the $filename wouldn't magically work like that either[21:41:28] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[21:42:02] <Skipp_OSX> shell golf[21:42:03] <Dane_> hmm[21:42:12] *** jayrulez has joined #haiku[21:42:30] <Dane_> PulkoMandy Would that find line do the whole job? "find . -name "*" -print -exec cat {} \;" ?[21:42:38] <mmu_man> Dane_: ?[21:42:44] <Dane_> mmu_man (typing)[21:43:12] <PulkoMandy> Dane_: finds all files in current dir (recursively), print the name, then cat the whole file[21:43:15] <Dane_> I'm trying to find a way to write the file creation date to the start of each line in a file... and to do the same for each of the other files in a folder[21:43:23] <PulkoMandy> if that's ok for you, then it does the job :)[21:43:50] <Dane_> PulkoMandy Where does it print the name to? The first line in the file?[21:44:02] <PulkoMandy> to the standard output[21:44:06] <Dane_> k[21:44:11] <Dane_> mmu_man Puzzler, eh?[21:44:19] <PulkoMandy> writing it to the file itself with find is a bit more tricky[21:44:21] *** Negr0_VoP2P has quit IRC[21:45:11] <Dane_> Yeah, what I described above, writing the file creation date to the start of each line in the file, and doing the same to each of the other files, that's what I have to nail.[21:45:47] <Dane_> So if the file is called PulkoMandy, then each line should start with PulkoMandy. If the file is mmu_man, each line in the file should start with mmu_man etc.[21:46:38] <PulkoMandy> adding the name is easy with the grep trick[21:46:58] <PulkoMandy> do you need to modify each file, or is it ok to merge the result into one big file ?[21:47:05] <mmu_man> you might use /bin/stat[21:47:14] <Dane_> PulkoMandy Each file[21:47:15] <mmu_man> though not sure it supports creation time[21:47:23] <mmu_man> it's not traditionally present in unix[21:47:26] <Dane_> mmu_man How about modified date instead?[21:47:41] <mmu_man> that's possible[21:47:50] <ddavid123> I am surprised Haiku does not use Busybox![21:48:00] <nortti> why would it?[21:48:17] <PulkoMandy> stat output is quite verbose...[21:48:26] <mmu_man> ddavid123: Haiku is not an embeded OS, + BeOS compat = GNU tools compat[21:48:45] <Dane_> mmu_man Otherwise, if I can write the filename to the start of each line in the file, that would work too...just would need it to do the same for each file in a folder.[21:49:00] <PulkoMandy> stat --printf="%y %n" somefile gets us the infos we need[21:49:04] <nortti> mmu_man: well slitaz linux is not embedded and still it uses busybox instead of braindead gnu junk[21:49:05] <PulkoMandy> now to add it to each line ...[21:50:54] *** ddavid123 has quit IRC[21:51:14] *** jua_ has joined #haiku[21:51:21] *** juaa_ has quit IRC[21:51:59] *** ddavid123 has joined #haiku[21:52:18] <ddavid123> Sorry, computer crashed[21:52:36] * Dane_ waits hopefully[21:53:10] <ddavid123> What were you saying about busybox?[21:53:17] * Anarchos manages to put a newline in a file name :)[21:53:40] <jstressman> PulkoMandy: https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/8882[21:53:56] <jstressman> that's as much as I know and can do. you knowledgeable folks will have to take it from here. ^_^;[21:54:29] <nortti> ddavid123: all of busybox related messages after your 22:47 < nortti> why would it? 22:48 < mmu_man> ddavid123: Haiku is not an embeded OS, + BeOS compat = GNU tools compat 22:49 < nortti> mmu_man: well slitaz linux is not embedded and still it uses busybox instead of braindead gnu junk[21:55:39] <ddavid123> So GNU is bad?[21:56:21] <mmu_man> GNU is GPL :p[21:56:30] <mmu_man> wait, busybox too rightN[21:56:31] <mmu_man> ?[21:56:40] <nortti> GNU is GPLv3 and GNU is bloated[21:56:46] <nortti> busybox is GPLv2[21:56:58] <ddavid123> I have no problem with GPL[21:57:12] <nortti> me neither excluding GPLv3[21:57:21] <ddavid123> GNU is quite bloated I agree[21:57:36] *** pseudomind has joined #haiku[21:58:16] <nortti> I hope toybox gets usable as it is under MIT license[21:58:23] <mmu_man> Dane_: on BeOS or Haiku ?[21:58:32] <Dane_> mmu_man BeOS[21:58:34] <mmu_man> IIRC sed is too old for -i[21:58:37] <mmu_man> in BeOS[21:58:37] <mmu_man> ok[21:59:06] <ddavid123> MIT license is more "liberal" than GPL[21:59:13] <ddavid123> lol[21:59:23] <nortti> what?[22:00:00] <nortti> MIT license is not more free than GPL?[22:00:08] <Dane_> brb[22:00:27] <ddavid123> From the standpoint of users freedom, GPL is the way to go. From the standpoint of the developer, BSD or MIT is more appropriate![22:01:18] <Skipp_OSX> what is wrong with busybox again?[22:01:36] <Skipp_OSX> what is wrong with the braindead GNU junk for that matter?[22:02:08] <ddavid123> How about run the Linux kernel in BSD?[22:02:16] <ddavid123> FreeBSD[22:03:04] *** tt_user has joined #haiku[22:03:04] <ddavid123> Have you heard that GCC is switching to C++[22:03:15] *** tt_user is now known as Dane_BeOS[22:03:22] <Dane_BeOS> mmu_man I'm over here now in BeOS[22:03:30] <ddavid123> it is being written only in C++\[22:03:46] <PulkoMandy> Dane_: cat somefile|while read line; do echo "`stat --print %y%n: fizzbuzz.c` $line" ; done[22:04:13] <PulkoMandy> it seems to strip spaces at the start of lines in the file[22:04:20] <PulkoMandy> but works ok otherwise[22:04:22] <ddavid123> brb[22:06:07] <Dane_BeOS> PulkoMandy groovy![22:06:09] <Dane_BeOS> Trying it[22:06:32] <jstressman> just reconfirmed the KDL on quake3 exit in virtualbox. now to confirm on bare metal.[22:06:37] *** ddavid123 has quit IRC[22:07:17] <Dane_BeOS> PulkoMandy somefile: No such file or directory[22:07:48] *** pseudomind has quit IRC[22:08:06] <PulkoMandy> well yes, replace somefile with the name of the file[22:08:19] <Dane_BeOS> PulkoMandy OK so works with one file at a time.[22:08:19] <PulkoMandy> we need to wrap that in find to do it for all file now[22:08:25] <Dane_BeOS> ah ok[22:08:29] <Dane_BeOS> trying it on a single file[22:10:09] <nortti> Skipp_OSX: problem with busybox is that it doesn't support every feature, problem of GNU coreutils is that is is bloated[22:11:44] *** rdmr has quit IRC[22:13:43] <Dane_BeOS> PulkoMandy So the single file version should look like?[22:13:43] <Dane_BeOS> cat OutputLog_040112.csv|while read line; do echo "`stat --print %y%n: fizzbuzz.c` $line" ; done[22:13:44] <Dane_BeOS> ?[22:14:18] <PulkoMandy> you need to also replace fizzbuzz.c with the filename[22:15:02] <mmu_man> find test/ -type f -exec sh -c 'tmpf=/tmp/tmp_file_$$; sed "s/^/`stat -c %y {}` /" < {} > "$tmpf"; mv "$tmpf" {}' \;[22:15:06] <mmu_man> Dane_BeOS: something like ^[22:15:06] <mmu_man> ?[22:15:15] <Dane_BeOS> mmu_man Trying it, thanks![22:15:18] <mmu_man> touches everything in test/[22:15:19] <PulkoMandy> http://paste.debian.net/183424/[22:15:27] <PulkoMandy> here's my version with an helper script[22:15:30] <mmu_man> make sure you have a backup :p[22:15:44] <Dane_BeOS> mmu_man test/ refers to a folder?[22:15:48] <Skipp_OSX> nortti, okay, so busybox is light but doesn't support every feature, coreutils is bloated but featureful. I really don't see the problem...[22:15:48] <mmu_man> yup[22:15:58] <mmu_man> it's recursive inside[22:15:59] <Dane_BeOS> at the root of the drive, correct?[22:16:14] <mmu_man> where the files you want to change are[22:16:14] <Dane_BeOS> /boot/test ?[22:16:17] <Dane_BeOS> ok[22:16:21] <Dane_BeOS> trying it![22:16:24] <mmu_man> it doesn't test for text file[22:16:29] <mmu_man> it changes everything[22:16:34] <mmu_man> so it will break bins[22:17:12] * Dane_BeOS swallows hard...[22:17:14] <Dane_BeOS> :-)[22:17:16] <Dane_BeOS> here we go[22:17:35] <Dane_BeOS> /bin/find: test/: No such file or directory[22:17:39] <Dane_BeOS> Oh, inside the bin folder[22:17:43] <Dane_BeOS> I put it at the root[22:18:11] <Dane_BeOS> mmu_man so confirming[22:18:27] <Dane_BeOS> I have put the files in the folder, /boot/home/config/bin/test[22:18:42] <mmu_man> we should fix stat to handle crtime too...[22:19:00] <mmu_man> might even be already fixed upstream since Hurd also has it[22:19:03] <Dane_BeOS> hmm[22:19:07] <Skipp_OSX> jstressman, is there a ticket for the Quake3 KDL?[22:19:36] <Skipp_OSX> jstressman, nm, I found it, #8870[22:20:01] <jstressman> yeah.[22:20:04] <Dane_BeOS> $ find /boot/test/ -type f -exec sh -c 'tmpf=/tmp/tmp_file_$$; sed "s/^/`stat -c %y {}` /" < {} > "$tmpf"; mv "$tmpf" {}' \;[22:20:04] <Dane_BeOS> /bin/sh: stat: command not found[22:20:11] <mmu_man> grmbl[22:20:16] <mmu_man> don't tell me BeOS didn't have stat ?[22:20:18] <mmu_man> which stat[22:20:22] <mmu_man> /bin/stat[22:20:38] <jstressman> brb. rebooting to bare metal test.[22:21:16] *** Spacewalker has quit IRC[22:21:19] *** jstressman has left #haiku[22:21:33] <Dane_BeOS> dang...so close yet so far![22:21:58] <mmu_man> ls might do instead...[22:22:30] *** MatthewH12 has joined #haiku[22:25:12] *** stargater has quit IRC[22:25:49] <Dane_BeOS> mmu_man How would that change the line?[22:26:02] <mmu_man> dunno[22:26:16] <mmu_man> hmm with find -fprintf it might be possible to do otherwise[22:30:35] <Dane_BeOS> PulkoMandy I replace fizzbuzz.c with the same filename as "somefile"?[22:31:15] <Skipp_OSX> no stat on BeOS 5, confirmed here[22:31:46] <Dane_BeOS> Skipp_OSX k thanks[22:32:44] <PulkoMandy> Dane_BeOS: yes[22:32:48] <Dane_BeOS> k thanks[22:32:49] <Dane_BeOS> trying that[22:33:02] <PulkoMandy> but you will get the same problem with stat I think[22:33:18] <Dane_BeOS> ah[22:33:21] <Dane_BeOS> didn't notice that[22:33:23] <Dane_BeOS> k[22:33:27] <Dane_BeOS> yeah, command not found[22:33:31] <Dane_BeOS> arrgh![22:33:49] <Dane_BeOS> OK what if I were to do this in Haiku?[22:33:50] <Skipp_OSX> no way you can use ls -l right?[22:33:57] <Dane_BeOS> How would that change the situation?[22:34:15] <Dane_BeOS> If I brought the folder to Haiku, could I try the same types of lines as PulkoMandy and mmu_man posted above?[22:34:25] <PulkoMandy> seems to work for me in Haiku[22:34:32] <Dane_BeOS> PulkoMandy OK I'll do that.[22:34:33] <Skipp_OSX> Dane_BeOS, yes, Haiku has stat[22:34:35] <Dane_BeOS> back shortly[22:35:45] *** leszek has quit IRC[22:37:39] <mmu_man> Dane_BeOS:[22:37:48] <mmu_man> find test/ -type f -exec sh -c 'tmpf=/tmp/tmp_file_$$; sed "s/^/`find {} -printf "%Ax"` /" < {} > "$tmpf"; mv "$tmpf" {}' \;[22:38:04] <mmu_man> you'll have to play with the format string to get the date as you want[22:40:11] <mmu_man> http://linux.die.net/man/1/find search for %Ak[22:40:58] <mmu_man> hmm aw, %A might not be the good one[22:41:09] <CIA-63> HaikuPorts: scottmc * r2020 /haikuports/trunk/dev-libs/zziplib/zziplib-0.13.59.bep http://ports.haiku-files.org/changeset/2020 : Added a hack to fix zziplib build for building with gcc4, may need to conditionally skip this fix on gcc2.[22:42:25] <mmu_man> find test/ -type f -exec sh -c 'tmpf=/tmp/tmp_file_$$; sed "s/^/`find {} -printf "%Tx"` /" < {} > "$tmpf"; mv "$tmpf" {}' \;[22:42:32] <mmu_man> %T should do[22:42:47] * dreamed looks at discussion[22:42:52] <dreamed> o_O brain hurty[22:42:55] * dreamed leaves again[22:45:39] *** oco has joined #haiku[22:46:55] <Dane_> re[22:47:46] <sambagirl> hi dane[22:47:54] <Dane_> howdy sambagirl[22:47:54] <sambagirl> dane with tunetracker systems?[22:47:57] <Dane_> yep[22:48:08] <sambagirl> wow can i pm u?[22:49:20] *** iMe has joined #haiku[22:49:34] <Dane_> sambagirl apparently not...status gone away[22:54:25] *** PasNox has quit IRC[22:55:12] <Dane_> mmu_man Beauteous![22:55:25] <mmu_man> enjoy[22:58:42] *** [r4] has joined #haiku[22:59:05] *** MarkDLeBlanc has quit IRC[23:00:14] <Dane_> mmu_man thanks as always[23:00:20] <Dane_> Thanks PulkoMandy too for your help![23:00:26] <PulkoMandy> :)[23:01:16] *** Megaf_ has joined #haiku[23:03:47] *** Megaf has quit IRC[23:05:42] <mmu_man> Dane_: just sent it to @climagic on twitter to tell others :p[23:06:20] <mmu_man> https://twitter.com/climagic[23:08:08] <Dane_BeOS> roger that[23:08:11] *** Dane_BeOS has quit IRC[23:12:03] *** JonathanThompson has joined #haiku[23:13:49] *** martinhpedersen has joined #haiku[23:18:05] *** dcase has quit IRC[23:23:15] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[23:26:05] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[23:26:05] *** JsobCloud_ is now known as JsobCloud[23:30:14] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[23:30:53] *** stargater has joined #haiku[23:30:59] <stargater> re[23:31:10] *** johnny_b has quit IRC[23:32:01] *** jstressman has joined #haiku[23:34:35] *** backb0ne has quit IRC[23:35:33] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[23:35:33] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[23:36:41] *** happy4cr_ has joined #haiku[23:36:53] *** ddavid123 has joined #haiku[23:36:55] *** happy4crazy has quit IRC[23:38:39] *** MarkDLeBlanc has joined #haiku[23:39:52] *** ddavid123 has left #haiku[23:40:29] *** ddavid123 has joined #haiku[23:41:17] <jstressman> confirmed the same KDL on bare metal.[23:48:58] *** backb0ne has joined #haiku[23:50:22] *** happy4crazy has joined #haiku[23:50:36] *** happy4cr_ has quit IRC[23:52:22] <jstressman> updated the ticket.[23:52:27] *** jayrulez has quit IRC[23:53:08] *** [r4] has quit IRC[23:54:23] *** Ingenu has left #haiku[23:56:13] *** iMe has quit IRC[23:56:57] <jessicah> unfortunately the backtrace doesn't show what called free()[23:57:47] *** MarkDLeBlanc has quit IRC[23:58:40] <jessicah> but either way, you have a corrupted heap :)[23:58:43] <Skipp_OSX> from what I can tell it is something in quake3[23:59:02] <jessicah> the backtrace is all kernel code[23:59:22] <jessicah> all 4 frames of it