August 6, 2012 
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August 6, 2012 [00:00:03] <jessicah> very outdated one...[00:00:08] <jessicah> http://life.jessicah.org/[00:00:32] <unheeding|haiku> hey baby, you crazy[00:00:39] <jessicah> :o[00:00:51] <jessicah> it's been almost 2 years since i updated...[00:00:55] <dreamed> that's pretty outdated yes[00:00:56] <dreamed> heh[00:01:15] <jessicah> i guess not having my blog uploading tool running would contribute to that[00:01:18] <dreamed> I like having tumblr integration with flickr .. means I can cheat and just click the share button >_>[00:01:26] <jessicah> :p[00:01:29] <unheeding|haiku> has anyone figured out a way to use two-finger scrolling in Haiku? I'm running it in VMWare on Win7[00:01:46] <stargater> jessicah: you need update of your blog ;-)[00:01:54] <jessicah> yeah...[00:02:13] <stargater> jessicah: do you work on haiku ?[00:02:44] <jessicah> i submitted a 3-4 line patch about a week ago[00:03:19] <stargater> jessicah: cool[00:03:28] <stargater> ah cats[00:03:49] <stargater> jessicah: no photos from your[00:04:05] <jessicah> from my...?[00:04:21] <dreamed> volcano lair?[00:04:36] <dreamed> I mean, while we're trying to finish that sentence.. may as well have fun with it[00:04:42] <jessicah> :D[00:04:42] <stargater> i see prefernces need more gui fixing , buttons are somtime left left and somtime left right[00:04:56] <stargater> left left is beos like[00:06:54] <leavengood> unheeding|haiku: there is a two finger scrolling preference in the Touchpad preferences, it seems to be on by default[00:06:59] <CIA-63> haiku.master: bonefish * hrev44474 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=7483c98 : Debugger (and some friends): 64 bit fixes[00:07:17] *** DaQatz has quit IRC[00:09:04] <CIA-63> haiku.master: leavengood * hrev44475 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=57c5b09 :[00:09:04] <CIA-63> Use be_control_look != NULL everywhere in the Interface Kit.[00:09:04] <CIA-63> Should not be a functional change. It is not in the Haiku Coding Guidelines but[00:09:04] <CIA-63> I feel like 'if (object != NULL)' is generally preferred to 'if (object)', plus[00:09:04] <CIA-63> in this case of be_control_look that is the more common style.[00:09:50] <jessicah> ugh, what is this new RTMP thing with youtube?[00:11:03] *** negusnyul has quit IRC[00:11:07] *** stargater has quit IRC[00:11:26] *** Guest75319 has joined #haiku[00:11:29] <Guest75319> re[00:11:40] *** Guest75319 is now known as stargater[00:11:57] <stargater> kallisti5: hi[00:17:23] <dreamed> still not quite awake[00:18:36] *** unheeding|haiku has quit IRC[00:19:25] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[00:20:15] <stargater> ok[00:20:47] <stargater> jessicah: what is the next what you do on haiku[00:24:01] *** DaQatz has joined #haiku[00:28:36] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[00:36:47] *** johnny_b has quit IRC[00:40:25] <jessicah> i dunno[00:40:56] <dreamed> efi mac support? ;)[00:44:26] <jessicah> ;)[00:45:53] <dreamed> I'll test it even ;)[00:46:44] <jessicah> youtube is making it harder to download their videos :([00:46:50] *** sarcas has quit IRC[00:46:54] *** Blub\w has quit IRC[00:49:21] <CIA-63> mmadia-github.separate-build-environment: mmadia-github * 3a0888ab8e03b44f6bb023624e0add155e2133be :[00:49:22] <CIA-63> Updates per mailing list reviews.[00:49:22] <CIA-63> Thanks for the help, Ingo![00:51:04] <stargater> n8[00:51:09] *** stargater has quit IRC[00:51:45] <dreamed> they're just following their "don't be evil" creed[00:51:57] <dreamed> I'm just starting to suspect that it's written in opposite land[00:52:38] <jessicah> they're being evil by proxy[00:55:22] <jessicah> ugh. now there's a 64-bit flash player?[00:55:47] <jessicah> i used to use ie9x64 for flash-free browsing[00:56:02] * jessicah sighs[00:56:25] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[00:56:41] *** swarfega is now known as swarfega[away][00:57:12] <dreamed> safari for flash free, chrome *spit* for flash[00:58:41] <dreamed> woo my lens is back![00:58:48] <dreamed> just in time for portrait night classes on Wed[01:08:02] <jessicah> yay :)[01:08:05] <jessicah> where did it go?[01:08:11] <dreamed> germany[01:08:18] <dreamed> back to solms to get worked on[01:08:41] <dreamed> time to go pick it up[01:08:44] <dreamed> bbiab ;)[01:08:48] <jessicah> k :)[01:09:34] *** un_spacyar has joined #haiku[01:10:58] *** un_spacyar has quit IRC[01:13:05] *** un_spacyar has joined #haiku[01:17:32] *** Negr0_VoP2P has quit IRC[01:24:06] *** happy4crazy has quit IRC[01:43:03] <dreamed> I think that was money well pent[01:43:05] <dreamed> spent, rather[01:49:13] <CIA-63> mmadia-github.separate-build-environment: mmadia-github * b969bd098f3dc639c2de219d0e3d6cad108da748 : Added target_null.h, target_size_t.h[01:51:01] *** hamishm has quit IRC[01:51:26] *** hamishm has joined #haiku[01:54:25] *** jayrulez has quit IRC[01:55:13] <jessicah> for your lens?[01:57:40] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[01:57:43] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[02:02:25] <dreamed> yeah[02:02:42] <dreamed> it wasn't focusing properly, and needed relubrication and coding (so the camera knows which lens it is automagically)[02:02:49] <dreamed> now it seems to focus bang-on[02:07:12] <dreamed> which is good because it cost me a month's wages :P[02:07:59] *** wbsd has quit IRC[02:10:26] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[02:12:23] <jessicah> :)[02:12:35] <dreamed> how's your day going, anyway?[02:14:03] *** JonathanThompson has joined #haiku[02:15:15] <jessicah> okay i guess[02:15:16] <jessicah> oh[02:15:19] <jessicah> need to call vet[02:16:14] <dreamed> true[02:17:14] <jessicah> and booked[02:17:20] *** Beretta021 has joined #haiku[02:24:13] *** alexandros_c has quit IRC[02:24:32] *** Feeck has joined #haiku[02:24:42] <Feeck> hi all!![02:24:48] <Feeck> anyone can help me with this http://epicfreeprizes.com/?ref=516747 ???? thank you! :)[02:25:25] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmadia[02:25:31] *** alexandros_c has joined #haiku[02:25:58] *** Feeck was kicked by mmadia (Ouch!)[02:26:11] <mmadia> don't bother clicking that link. it's spam.[02:27:37] <dreamed> no ban?[02:27:48] <mmadia> i'm looking up the syntax.[02:27:59] <augiedoggie> heh[02:28:12] <mmadia> i actually like the fact that i don't know that offhand :D[02:29:05] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[02:30:07] *** happy4crazy has joined #haiku[02:30:56] <dreamed> it certainly shows what a positive environment this channel is[02:31:02] *** Megaf has quit IRC[02:31:05] <dreamed> not knowing how to ban someone due to never needing to[02:31:13] *** Beretta021 has quit IRC[02:31:37] *** mmadia sets mode: +b *!*@187.Red-213-96-172.staticIP.rima-tde.net[02:31:41] *** mmadia sets mode: -o mmadia[02:33:14] *** hamishm has quit IRC[02:33:24] *** hamishm has joined #haiku[02:42:35] <jessicah> :o[02:51:38] <jessicah> i hate working with computers...[02:51:58] <jessicah> i'm so in the wrong profession >_<[02:52:40] *** BitPuffin has quit IRC[02:53:03] <dreamed> I think most IT professionals are in that boat[02:53:17] <dreamed> at least, my friends and colleagues all say the same thing heh[02:53:17] <jessicah> :|[02:53:27] <dreamed> but it pays better than most other stuff[02:53:31] <dreamed> so .. oh well[02:53:36] <jessicah> i used to like my job[02:53:41] <jessicah> when i got to do web dev[02:53:57] <jessicah> and had more creative freedom[02:54:05] * dreamed nods[02:56:07] <jessicah> http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/304881_10151339552859616_2006063951_n.jpg[02:56:11] <jessicah> epic :D[02:56:25] <dreamed> heh neat[02:59:32] *** Megaf has joined #haiku[03:04:17] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[03:04:41] *** Beretta021 has joined #haiku[03:05:46] *** Megaf has quit IRC[03:06:35] *** Postumus has quit IRC[03:10:29] *** luroh has quit IRC[03:11:07] *** un_spacyar has quit IRC[03:11:28] *** kcj has quit IRC[03:19:15] *** Megaf has joined #haiku[03:30:23] <dreamed> I'm not sure what's sadder. That I seem to be doing monthly reporting all the time.. or that I'm starting to enjoy it[03:35:20] <jessicah> lol[03:36:41] <dreamed> hush :P[03:38:04] <dreamed> I guess if I'm going to be doing it every month, I may as well learn to enjoy it[03:38:13] <dreamed> it takes about 8 hours of solid work for my section[03:38:20] <dreamed> and about another 8 from two others, each[03:38:27] <dreamed> maybe I'll get faster :P[03:39:51] <jessicah> :p[03:41:59] <dreamed> I think I've worked it out[03:42:14] <dreamed> I'm so graphical-environment-starved, that working with graphs makes me think "pretty pictures"![03:43:40] <jessicah> i made pretty 'graphs' for my web-app[03:43:44] <jessicah> box art, if you will[03:44:08] <dreamed> do they have gradients?[03:44:18] <dreamed> (low bar, I know .. but see: monthly reporting)[03:45:09] *** krazeivan has left #haiku[03:47:11] <jessicah> i have screenshots somewhere[03:47:26] *** Megaf_ has joined #haiku[03:47:46] <jessicah> http://screenies.jessicah.org/overview-grid-computers.png[03:47:55] <jessicah> http://screenies.jessicah.org/overview-grid-maintenance.png[03:48:24] <dreamed> >clickety<[03:48:52] <dreamed> heh[03:48:57] <dreamed> very colourful, I approve[03:49:31] *** Megaf has quit IRC[03:49:37] <CIA-63> mmadia-github.separate-build-environment: mmadia-github * 394b76762d9d22bb526090adae8ec8126c9ce5c7 : It's about time, I implemented target_time.h[03:49:38] <CIA-63> pdziepak-github.nfs4: pdziepak-github * e2e5f06d6e736c019ed37c475ff4f68e3c4f401c : nfs4: Do not sync too often if delegation is held [7 commits][03:53:05] *** jonfr500 has quit IRC[03:54:22] <jessicah> i kind of want to work on snowflake again[03:56:10] <jstressman> anyone else going to watch the Curiosity landing on Mars tonight?[03:56:36] <jstressman> ~3.5 hours from now I think is the touch down time roughly.[03:58:09] <jessicah> nope[03:58:11] <dreamed> not likely, but I'll look at the pictures tomorrow[03:58:12] <jessicah> i also don't have a tv[03:58:26] <dreamed> I don't have mine hooked up to receive broadcast[03:58:32] <dreamed> and I'll be working on a photography assignment[03:58:43] <dreamed> tv = rock band, afaic[03:58:57] <jessicah> :)[03:59:05] <jessicah> i'm still waiting for rocksmith to ship[03:59:15] <jstressman> I don't either.[03:59:17] <jstressman> all streaming.[03:59:33] <dreamed> jessicah: oh cool[03:59:46] <jessicah> october apparently[03:59:51] <jessicah> it's been almost a year[04:00:11] <jessicah> yeah, almost a year. order placed november 21, 2011[04:00:15] <dreamed> gosh[04:00:22] <dreamed> does it support drums?[04:00:30] <dreamed> I know it supports guitar[04:00:30] <jessicah> don't think so[04:00:44] <jessicah> i'd rather they make a separate game for separate instruments[04:00:56] <dreamed> I can't play anything, but the drums in rb 3 pro aren't dis-similar from the real thing, especially with a decent kit[04:01:03] <dreamed> right[04:01:41] <dreamed> I get hihat (no pedal), snare, small tom, medium tom, floor tom, bass drum, ride and crash cymbals[04:01:46] <dreamed> so pretty much a basic rock kit[04:01:51] <dreamed> minus hihat pedal[04:02:03] <jessicah> http://www.ibanez.com/HollowBodyGuitars/model-AFS75T < i have one of these[04:02:12] <dreamed> though I've got the tech to allow me to add other cymbals and pedals now[04:02:30] <dreamed> oh that's beautiful[04:02:35] *** happy4crazy has quit IRC[04:02:52] <dreamed> in the tobacco?[04:02:59] <jessicah> http://www.boppshop.de/images/ibanez_afs75tnwb.jpg < except this finish[04:03:10] <dreamed> ooh[04:03:10] *** MatthewH12 has quit IRC[04:03:13] <dreamed> lovely[04:04:12] <dreamed> http://www.ibanez.com/BassGuitars/model-SR750 is what turns my head everytime I see one[04:04:21] <dreamed> but I'll never commit enough time to learn[04:05:15] <dreamed> not with the committment to photography heh[04:06:12] <jessicah> :)[04:06:22] <jessicah> all you need is a game like rocksmith[04:06:35] <jessicah> then learning becomes fun, or so they claim... :p[04:06:40] <jessicah> we'll see if it actually is[04:07:56] <dreamed> heh[04:08:02] <dreamed> well, that's where rb and drums come in I guess[04:08:19] <dreamed> I'm more interested in bass really, but drums as a much lower barrier to entry[04:08:27] <dreamed> the notation is easy to read as well[04:08:32] <dreamed> since each note is a separate drum heh[04:08:43] <jessicah> i'm too uncoordinated for drums[04:08:53] <dreamed> it teaches coordination in some ways[04:09:06] <dreamed> though I still can't get a particular fill[04:09:09] <jessicah> mebbe if there was a drumkit for left-handed people? i dunno[04:09:23] <dreamed> there is .. you just switch them around[04:09:28] <jessicah> i'm not really left-handed, but i find normal drum setups backwards[04:10:19] <jessicah> jstressman: you're learning japanese right?[04:10:27] <jessicah> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZcWtl-hUDU[04:10:42] <jessicah> a japanese song for learning the elements :p[04:10:50] <jessicah> it's kinda catchy too :D[04:10:53] <jstressman> jessicah: yes.[04:10:54] * jstressman looks[04:12:34] <jstressman> btw, if anyone gets curious: http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html[04:13:03] <augiedoggie> "curious" :P[04:13:57] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[04:14:23] <jessicah> augiedoggie: didn't you know? all the gays went into space[04:14:43] <augiedoggie> uh, it was a reference to the name of the rover[04:15:04] <jessicah> oh[04:15:05] <dreamed> I guess his bread's not buttered on that side[04:15:07] <jessicah> :p[04:15:08] <jstressman> Mars Curiosity Rover. ;)[04:15:25] <jessicah> someone had linked an smbc comic the other day, that would've fit too[04:16:15] <jessicah> http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2694[04:16:56] <dreamed> heh nice[04:20:30] *** happy4crazy has joined #haiku[04:20:53] *** qptain_Nemo has quit IRC[04:31:55] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[04:49:14] <CIA-63> mmadia-github.separate-build-environment: mmadia-github * 3043b4b98d422d1a33b3350c4470b88ec57afea4 : Fixed the header guard.[04:58:04] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[05:00:14] *** happy4crazy has quit IRC[05:09:38] <dreamed> hoo joy. so much reporting.[05:09:55] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[05:10:42] <jessicah> can't it be automated?[05:10:57] <dreamed> I'm sure it could, with enough investment[05:11:07] <dreamed> the stats I'm reporting on have a lot of automation to get to where they are[05:11:23] <dreamed> but we have so many disparate systems to pull together into one near 100 page spreadsheet[05:11:26] <dreamed> er document[05:11:39] <jessicah> 100 pages?[05:11:48] <jessicah> and you do this every month?[05:11:51] <dreamed> TSM info, XiV info, DS info, Nseries info .. plus nagios graphs/data for all of those[05:11:54] <jessicah> that's ridiculous[05:11:54] <dreamed> yep[05:12:00] <dreamed> sort of[05:12:05] <dreamed> a lot of the pages are consumed by pretty graphs[05:12:07] <dreamed> which are just copy/paste[05:12:18] <dreamed> and as said, most of the data retrieval itself is now automated[05:12:23] <dreamed> but the compilation still isn't[05:12:37] <dreamed> the really daft part is three of us work on separate documents, then merge them once finished[05:12:45] <dreamed> so even more cut/paste[05:12:52] <jessicah> =/[05:13:00] <dreamed> ah well, this is what I get paid to do[05:13:09] <jessicah> :)[05:13:32] <jessicah> nearly time to go home, and take kitten to vet[05:15:37] <dreamed> I could go home now[05:15:47] <dreamed> but if I put in more time now, that's less time on friday[05:15:54] <dreamed> I worked a 6.5 hour friday last week thanks to a couple of 9 hour day[05:15:55] <dreamed> s[05:15:56] <dreamed> ;)[05:16:08] <jessicah> :)[05:16:18] <jessicah> not much point me trying to go home early on a friday[05:16:20] *** SMCollins has joined #haiku[05:16:22] *** paul0 has quit IRC[05:16:23] <dreamed> no?[05:16:27] <jessicah> i go to christian fellowship group on campus after work[05:16:31] <jessicah> dinner at 6pm[05:16:44] <dreamed> oic[05:16:48] <dreamed> yeah, may as well stick around[05:18:11] <SMCollins> anyone know how to get checkfs or the other files system tools to repair bad inode trees ?[05:18:13] <dreamed> I tend to sleep in on wednesdays atm, because night class ;)[05:22:02] *** JonathanThompson has joined #haiku[05:22:07] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[05:25:58] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[05:28:22] <dreamed> gosh[05:28:27] <dreamed> lots of data ingress this month[05:28:34] <dreamed> our ndmp backups alone account for 1.6PB[05:28:45] <dreamed> that's a rise of 300TB over last month[05:28:46] <jessicah> :o[05:29:11] * dreamed wonders wtf was so much bigger[05:39:07] *** MatthewH12 has joined #haiku[05:42:28] *** Postumus has joined #haiku[05:44:17] *** stpere has joined #haiku[05:45:22] *** kcj has joined #haiku[05:45:40] * stpere is sleep chatting[05:45:46] <dreamed> heh[05:45:49] <dreamed> oh sod it[05:45:56] <dreamed> my giveafuckometer is at an all time low[05:45:58] <dreamed> I'm going home[05:46:15] <stpere> :P[05:46:24] <dreamed> :P yourself[05:46:28] <jessicah> mine is almost always very low when i'm at work[05:46:36] <jessicah> also, i going home shortly too[05:46:39] <dreamed> heh[05:46:44] <jessicah> 4pm[05:46:49] <dreamed> it starts at low, and hits negatives by 3[05:46:56] <dreamed> ah well, ttyl[05:47:01] <jessicah> buhbyes dreamed[05:47:07] <stpere> I mistook mine for a plain x-axis.. but then I took an arrow in the knee[05:49:15] <CIA-63> mmadia-github.separate-build-environment: mmadia-github * fbb0cb221a220038c8ecefa331c57ce106b85acd : HaikuHostBuildConfig.h has size_t typedef'd with _HAIKU_BUILD_FEATURE___SIZE_TYPE__ [4 commits][06:03:37] *** oxoocoffee has quit IRC[06:05:56] *** stpere has quit IRC[06:07:47] *** redblue has quit IRC[06:10:48] *** redblue has joined #haiku[06:13:47] *** SMCollins has quit IRC[06:14:52] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[06:22:25] * dreamed yawns[06:22:29] <dreamed> how is it not even 5[06:22:43] *** Kernel86_ has joined #haiku[06:24:21] *** Kernel86 has quit IRC[06:28:16] <CIA-63> haiku.master: nielx * hrev44476 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=7753c38 : Update translations from Pootle[06:43:29] <CIA-63> haiku.master: leavengood * hrev44477 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=f022b1e :[06:43:29] <CIA-63> Rename ICO translator format name to "Microsoft icon".[06:43:29] <CIA-63> This matches the MIME type and is part of fixing #6782.[06:47:02] *** hamishm has quit IRC[06:49:40] <CIA-63> mmadia-github.separate-build-environment: mmadia-github * aeddc3cb059508d24681cd1bce860dba1cb44036 : Add target_TypeConstants.h [9 commits][06:52:24] *** kitrisah has joined #haiku[06:57:40] <dreamed> http://www.flickr.com/photos/hoodooyoudo/7722990684/in/photostream kitteh[07:03:31] <jessicah> it's now only just 5pm :)[07:03:39] <jessicah> kitten has an elevated temp[07:06:17] <dreamed> aww 'sno good[07:10:49] *** vezhlys has quit IRC[07:16:18] *** XenoDuck has quit IRC[07:18:11] <kitrisah> i was just re-reading some recent messages on the mailing list.[07:18:17] <kitrisah> I came upon the discussion of HDA drivers under Haiku.[07:18:21] <kitrisah> Someone suggested using Linux.[07:18:45] <kitrisah> Several people suggested against it, saying Linux is not good for audio work.[07:19:12] <kitrisah> Is it really that much worse than Haiku? It's got me wondering...[07:20:00] <dreamed> most of the audio folk I know use macs[07:20:03] *** mmadia has quit IRC[07:20:05] <dreamed> so I'm no help[07:21:15] <leavengood> Audio on Linux has gotten better, but generally is crap[07:21:32] <kitrisah> leavengood: you gave some input into the thread. Have you had personal experiences yourself?[07:21:36] <leavengood> I mean for the longest time it couldn't even multiplex[07:21:56] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[07:22:01] <kitrisah> I am not usually a fan of Linux, but it is interesting that several people knocked it down on this particular subject[07:22:21] <leavengood> I ran Ubuntu for a long time and used ALSA, and basically I couldn't listen to audio in Flash and also in a media player[07:22:29] <leavengood> this was only a few years ago[07:23:02] <leavengood> then they introduced "PulseAudio", which is a mixer, but when it first came out all it did was crash and use way, way too much CPU for being a freaking audio mixer[07:23:13] <leavengood> I still think it uses too much[07:23:33] <leavengood> just the whole architecture for audio is as mish-mash as everything else in Linux[07:23:34] <kitrisah> Personally, I know the transition to PulseAudio has given many people headaches (and backsteps for audio in general), me included.[07:23:50] <jessicah> beos r5 had/has better audio imo :)[07:24:07] <leavengood> Now I won't say the Haiku audio system is perfect by any means[07:24:26] <leavengood> but I'm pretty sure our basic mixing is a billion times better than the piece of crap PulseAudio[07:24:48] *** JonathanThompson has joined #haiku[07:25:25] <kitrisah> leavengood: I am aware that promoting BeOS as a "media OS" was sometimes more hype than fact. But still, learning that BeOS (and now Haiku) can still claim to be better than Linux, even while not being the main focus of Haiku. Well, it's kinda sobering.[07:26:09] *** vezhlys has joined #haiku[07:26:18] <leavengood> Linux is a really good kernel and server OS, but the desktop just is not that good.[07:26:27] <kitrisah> I know that historically, Mac has been a leader in this field. I also know that Windows has also gotten pretty serious about it too.[07:26:27] <leavengood> And I used it as a desktop system for many years[07:26:38] <leavengood> I just moved to a Mac, and well, it is like night and day[07:26:52] <augiedoggie> mac = night ?[07:26:56] <augiedoggie> :P[07:26:56] <kitrisah> For instance, I know that for video work, Vegas is considered by many to be the best, and it only runs on Windows.[07:26:59] <leavengood> hehe[07:27:23] <dreamed> augiedoggie: come to the dark side. we have cookies.[07:27:27] <leavengood> Windows 7 is OK for being Windows, but I now really like Lion[07:27:32] <jessicah> cookies![07:27:38] <dreamed> mountain lion spits all over lion[07:27:44] <dreamed> don't deny yourself the cheap upgrade[07:27:50] <kitrisah> leavengood: is there anything in particular that stands out to you, the contrast between Linux and Mac?[07:28:06] <kitrisah> leavengood: btw, how long ago have you had a Mac? How long did you use LInux before that?[07:28:14] <leavengood> I just bought my machine, I'm hoping to convince them for a free upgrade, though yeah it is only $20[07:28:21] <jessicah> it took windows until vista i think to have a proper mixer like beos had[07:28:34] <leavengood> been using a Mac for about a month and a half I guess[07:28:36] <dreamed> the biggest contrast between mac and linux is that on the mac the intent is for everying to just work[07:28:42] <leavengood> I'm using Ubuntu right now though :)[07:28:45] <dreamed> it shows in the applications developed for it[07:28:51] <dreamed> I run macs at home and unbuntu at work[07:28:53] <jessicah> i'm using windows[07:28:59] * dreamed pats jessicah[07:29:05] <jessicah> once haiku runs on macbook air, i'll be using haiku :D[07:29:07] <dreamed> I hear there's a group for that[07:29:11] <jessicah> even if it is unstable[07:29:14] <jessicah> a group?[07:29:18] <dreamed> like AA[07:29:21] <dreamed> just, for Windows[07:29:28] <jessicah> windows > os x[07:29:32] <augiedoggie> woot, parachute deployed![07:29:40] <jessicah> :p[07:29:43] <jessicah> haiku > *[07:30:05] <jessicah> the curiosity?[07:30:08] <augiedoggie> yeah[07:30:11] <dreamed> mm[07:30:13] <jessicah> neat[07:30:20] <leavengood> Honestly one of the main reasons I still work on Haiku is it is one system, where as Linux is like the worst possible mish-mash of all kinds of crap from a billion different developers with thousands of different philosophies.[07:30:27] <dreamed> baha[07:30:29] <dreamed> nicely put[07:30:51] <leavengood> It is a kick-ass kernel, but the stuff on top is just too diverse[07:31:12] <dreamed> too many cooks[07:31:18] <dreamed> to borrow a cliche[07:31:24] *** Postumus has quit IRC[07:31:43] <kitrisah> leavengood: you said several lines above that "our mixing is a billion times better than [Linux]". Have we had any developer that has been particularly good on this subject?[07:31:44] <leavengood> Mac OS X is a nice coherent system too, but it is closed source and run by a company who acts more and more evil, and who seems to want to turn it into a tablet OS[07:31:59] <dreamed> disagree on the last parts[07:32:08] <dreamed> apple is as evil as it's always been[07:32:14] <leavengood> maybe so[07:32:16] <dreamed> and they're borrowing the relevant bits from tablet os[07:32:23] <dreamed> I think there's still a clear desktop direction[07:32:31] <kitrisah> meh. evil is subjective[07:32:34] <dreamed> I'm not sure why closed source is associated with evil though[07:32:35] <augiedoggie> TOUCHDOWN! :P[07:32:41] <dreamed> I think google are far worse[07:32:48] <dreamed> then again, they're "open"[07:32:58] <leavengood> Well the closed source part is necessarily evil[07:33:02] <kitrisah> open source is not necessarily saintly, as you should know by now[07:33:06] <leavengood> I just like being able to hack on my OS[07:33:06] <dreamed> why is that evil?[07:33:13] <dreamed> it's not a moral judgement[07:33:22] <leavengood> I'm sorry, I left out not[07:33:28] <leavengood> it is not necessarily evil[07:33:44] <dreamed> where I'd say linux is preferable moralistically, is developer community and intent, and facing things like tpm[07:33:51] *** asiekierka has joined #haiku[07:33:52] <dreamed> I'm not sure that makes apple evil[07:34:11] <dreamed> but I certainly wouldn't disagree that they're in a position to be very evil, if it suited their purposes[07:34:13] <asiekierka> Im typing from an iPad and i believe i shouldnt join whatever argument is taking place right now[07:34:21] <leavengood> Apple acts evil with these stupid patent lawsuits and stuff more than how they develop the OS[07:34:24] <dreamed> it's all relative, really[07:34:32] <dreamed> leavengood: as opposed to the patent lawsuits that everyone else files?[07:34:57] <kitrisah> I have been bitten several times by the incredibly intolerant-to-anything-not-"Free" community[07:35:01] <leavengood> Don't do the "but the other guy does it too" BS[07:35:09] <dreamed> leavengood: why not?[07:35:11] <dreamed> what's the difference?[07:35:13] <leavengood> kitrisah: yeah I'm not in that camp either[07:35:20] <kitrisah> In some parts of the world, GPL zealots can get pretty nasty[07:35:23] <dreamed> I mean, seriously[07:35:26] <dreamed> what *is* the difference[07:35:27] <jessicah> =/[07:35:29] <jessicah> speed so slow[07:35:31] <dreamed> noone seems to be able to tell me[07:35:47] <leavengood> the difference is Apple could choose to not sue but use their patents only for defense, but they abuse the stupid US system suing for everything they can to stifle competition[07:36:02] <dreamed> er[07:36:03] <dreamed> again[07:36:06] <kitrisah> asiekierka: hello :)[07:36:06] <dreamed> as opposed to anyon eelse?[07:36:28] <leavengood> Google doesn't do that, as evil as they may be in other ways[07:36:49] <dreamed> google doesn't do that because they don't make their own hardware[07:36:49] <leavengood> Even MS is evil in that regard[07:36:59] <leavengood> I mean less evil[07:37:00] <dreamed> ms is especially evil in that regard, if increasingly less relevant[07:37:14] <leavengood> geez, I keep leaving out the negatory part, haha[07:37:23] <jessicah> lol[07:37:39] <dreamed> this said, do you think it's wrong for apple to have sued samsung over a device that has a near identical physical design? or should companies be able to get away with that?[07:37:44] <dreamed> I assume that's what you're talking about[07:37:53] <leavengood> Well whatever, I just hope the US patent system comes down in flames as soon as possible[07:38:03] <jessicah> dreamed: sure, why not[07:38:05] <dreamed> I don't think anyone on freenode would be against that[07:38:08] <jessicah> lots of cars look the same too[07:38:29] <kitrisah> leavengood: in Apple's defense (albeit, I'll defend them without too much conviction), Samsung could've made an effort to be more "their own thing", like most other manufacturers did. Heck, even Google proper suggested they were being too Apple-y[07:38:34] <jessicah> lots of monitors look the same[07:38:43] <jessicah> why should a phone be any different?[07:38:58] <leavengood> There is a nice TED talk about the fashion industry and how it basically has no IP protection and yet is very successful[07:39:16] <dreamed> I'm all for taking a design and making it better[07:39:28] <dreamed> I'm just not really fussed by taking a design and making it as similar as possible[07:39:34] <dreamed> it's just lazy[07:39:58] <leavengood> Building on the shoulders of giants...maybe theirs is better than the iPhone[07:40:08] <dreamed> I can't really debate the car argument though[07:40:21] <dreamed> so many classic japanese cars are almost direct knock-offs of european or american ones[07:40:26] <dreamed> nothing recent is though[07:40:28] *** Megaf_ has quit IRC[07:41:11] <kitrisah> all other android manufacturers made their hardware with a style significantly distinctive from the iPad and iPhone, including Asus, Sony, HTC, HP...[07:41:41] <dreamed> samsung pretty much copies everyone else across their entire product range[07:41:41] <leavengood> At some point the US is going to be crushed under the weight of no innovation because of these stupid patents, and either we crash and become a third world country or the idiots in the government will decide that maybe innovation is better than making sure every corporate pirates can profit off their inventions for all eternity[07:41:46] *** vezhlys has quit IRC[07:41:48] <dreamed> and they sell very well as a result[07:41:59] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[07:42:15] <dreamed> leavengood: american isn't far from being third world already[07:42:32] <leavengood> yeah I know, I live there[07:42:39] <leavengood> ;)[07:42:41] <dreamed> you have my deepest sympathy[07:43:04] <jessicah> hehe[07:43:27] <kitrisah> one thing is clear though: many geeks who have transitioned from Linux to Mac in recent years, tired of all the necessary manual tweaking, are now torn because of Apple's behavior at the courts.[07:43:28] <augiedoggie> can third world countries land a rover on a planet 350 million miles away?[07:43:29] <leavengood> some of us want to try to fix the broken things here, but it is pretty hard with all the entrenched interests[07:43:58] <dreamed> augiedoggie: nasa are pretty impressive, especially with how little their budget is now[07:44:09] <dreamed> leavengood: eat the rich[07:44:32] <kitrisah> augiedoggie: India has recently announced plans for this next year...[07:44:37] <dreamed> kitrisah: meanwhile those of us who transitioned to mac from windows are like ... business as usual eh[07:45:18] <dreamed> I see USA is 12th on the world rankings for gun deaths per 100,000 population / year[07:45:35] <kitrisah> dreamed: i've been like a pinball machine: windows, os/2, beos, windows, linux, windows, mac, haiku, mac...[07:45:44] <dreamed> NZ is 34th[07:45:49] <dreamed> kitrisah: I love pinball![07:46:54] <dreamed> I've always had an interest in graphical user interface design and interaction[07:46:59] <dreamed> I think mac does it better than windows[07:47:02] <dreamed> but I always liked beos[07:47:04] <dreamed> and next[07:47:09] <dreamed> and os/2 to an extent[07:47:23] <kitrisah> leavengood: I know the topic has been devolving into politics and morals. But I'm curious about something that I asked up there: has Haiku had a developer(s) with particular expertise in audio/multimedia?[07:47:54] <dreamed> huh[07:48:06] <dreamed> NZ has 0.17 gun homicides per 100,000 population / year[07:48:11] <dreamed> but 2.14 gun suicides[07:48:15] <dreamed> that's a little worrying[07:48:28] <dreamed> compare germany - 0.22 vs 1.17[07:48:40] <dreamed> at 40th place, vs 34th[07:49:15] <CIA-63> mmadia-github.separate-build-environment: mmadia-github * ae8e9a42823003831815bb12b5c3727ca3caf58d :[07:49:15] <CIA-63> Fixed header include. [2 commits][07:49:15] <CIA-63> Only *_target/target_*.h headers are supposed to include themselves.[07:49:15] *** vezhlys has joined #haiku[07:49:22] <leavengood> kitrisah: well not as much at the moment. Generally the Media Kit guru was Marcus Overhagen, but his Haiku time has been limited for a long time.[07:49:30] *** vezhlys has quit IRC[07:49:54] <leavengood> Other people have worked on the mixer though, I think Adrien, aka pulkomandy did some work on it before[07:50:23] <augiedoggie> francois did the opensound port and other stuff[07:50:35] <kitrisah> dreamed: on the topic of homicides, I've got you beat. Where I am, the number is 87 a year.[07:50:48] *** asiekierka has quit IRC[07:50:49] <kitrisah> 87 per 100k i mean[07:51:03] <dreamed> south africa?[07:51:40] <kitrisah> no, i'm much closer to you geographically... but let's not keep going on that topic... :([07:52:03] <dreamed> where are you from? that aside[07:52:40] <kitrisah> leavengood: I see that Dane from TT had the intention of putting up a bounty, but apparently Karl said he needed to put up more than Dane could afford right now[07:53:34] <kitrisah> dreamed: :-\ http://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/data-and-analysis/homicide.html[07:53:37] *** kcj has quit IRC[07:54:18] <leavengood> Other people have worked on the mixer though, I think Adrien, aka pulkomandy did some work on it before[07:54:28] <leavengood> oops, sorry, wrong window[07:55:21] <kitrisah> leavengood: I must say I am impressed that this thing could be such a strenght of Haiku. I had no idea. I don't think that projects of similar size to Haiku can claim that sort of thing, can they? (Syllable, AROS, ReactOS, eCommstation, SkyOS when it was at it)[07:55:56] <kitrisah> leavengood: seems appropriate for this window...[07:56:37] <leavengood> kitrisah: I repeated something I said before, by hitting up when I meant to repeat a terminal command ;)[07:57:15] <leavengood> kitrisah: well I think the strength Haiku has (but we are not quite there yet) is low latency, because BeOS had that and we are trying to mimic it[07:57:37] <leavengood> our scheduler is not yet as good as the BeOS one[07:59:30] <kitrisah> leavengood: it's interesting that you highlight on latency. When I've spoken with Ingo, Axel, Travis, they concede that BeOS was not that awesome to begin with, all things considered.[07:59:43] <kitrisah> However it is interesting to learn that it's not that bad either.[07:59:49] *** letharion__ has quit IRC[08:00:22] <kitrisah> However, in terms of scheduler, well, afaik, to this day, the scheduler can be a hot topic for Linux core developers.[08:00:32] <kitrisah> I see it can be a big deal.[08:00:34] <leavengood> well maybe I'm wrong, I always thought the BeOS latency was excellent, but I'm not an audio guy[08:01:21] <leavengood> I don't think the general Linux scheduler is as nice to the user as Haiku's[08:01:35] <leavengood> It is still pretty server oriented[08:02:19] *** RQ has joined #haiku[08:02:24] <leavengood> But beyond that the Haiku architecture inherited from BeOS tends to make things feel faster, even if the highly threaded design is harder to program for[08:04:05] <OmniMancer> indeed haiku attempts to prevent an action being blocked by other work being done by the program[08:04:11] <OmniMancer> so you don't have the perceived slowness[08:04:16] *** letharion_ has joined #haiku[08:05:14] <jessicah> how would hdcp affect haiku, if at all?[08:05:33] <jessicah> it's a pain with my macbook air[08:05:35] <dreamed> is hdcp supported?[08:06:06] <leavengood> I'm pretty sure not[08:06:13] <jessicah> audio often clipped at the start when beginning playback & other glitchy behaviour under windows[08:06:17] <leavengood> stupid DRM[08:07:27] <jessicah> i wonder if my eeebox has hdcp[08:07:44] <jessicah> because it doesn't have any of the problems my mba has[08:08:18] <jessicah> going to put haiku on my eeebox this week[08:08:23] <dreamed> how does the mba deal with it in osx?[08:08:36] <jessicah> dunno[08:08:44] <jessicah> it might have same problem[08:08:46] <dreamed> could be driver related[08:08:49] <jessicah> i not used it enough[08:09:01] <kitrisah> eeebox, as in eeepc portable, or is there an eee desktop?[08:09:20] <jessicah> it's a 1L vesa mountable desktop[08:09:48] <jessicah> http://event.asus.com/eeepc/microsites/eeebox/en/[08:10:25] <jessicah> the atom cpu in mine is a lil underwhelming thouogh[08:10:43] <jessicah> but with haiku, it might turn out to be super snappy[08:10:48] <jessicah> compared to win7[08:11:32] <jessicah> couldn't play 1080p video on it[08:11:37] <jessicah> so we'll see[08:11:54] <kitrisah> leavengood: there was a time, several years ago, where I used to only have access to 4-5 year old systems with limited memory, and greatly appreciated BeOS for using them. Then one time, I used a brand new Dell with spanking new Vista, and was floored by how fast Windows has become in relation to how it was before.[08:12:28] <kitrisah> jessicah: that's nice.[08:13:45] <jessicah> hmm, $200 for a 128gig ssd, that doesn't seem too bad[08:13:57] <dreamed> that's very well priced[08:14:08] <dreamed> consider good 240s still go for 800[08:14:50] <jessicah> hmm, a corsair 240 is $330[08:15:05] <dreamed> I really need to point jeremy at a better website then[08:15:09] <dreamed> he quoted that at me yesterday[08:15:09] <dreamed> heh[08:15:31] <dreamed> newmac is still. not. here.[08:15:46] <jessicah> 512gb < $800 here[08:15:50] <dreamed> I'm not sure where my gruntles are, but there's certainly an absence of them[08:15:56] <jessicah> and ascent isn't even the cheapest[08:16:05] <jessicah> dreamed: do you not use pricespy?[08:16:12] <CIA-63> haiku.master: leavengood * hrev44478 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=adfe152 : (log message trimmed)[08:16:12] <CIA-63> Sort the translation formats in AddTranslationItems by name.[08:16:12] <CIA-63> This is used by ShowImage and CodyCam to create a list of image formats which a[08:16:12] <CIA-63> file can be saved as. Tracker sorts the image MIME types used in the Find[08:16:13] <CIA-63> window by name, so this makes these Save As menus match that (minus the icons[08:16:13] <CIA-63> which I think are superfluous.)[08:16:14] <CIA-63> Fixes #6782.[08:16:14] <dreamed> ascent's service more than makes up for price discrepancies[08:16:18] <dreamed> jessicah: I told him to look for it[08:16:22] <dreamed> since he wanted to buy it off me[08:16:31] <dreamed> I paid 400 for it, and mentioned that to him[08:16:39] <dreamed> (from wife)[08:17:16] <jessicah> intel drives are very costly[08:17:26] *** _joppefan has quit IRC[08:17:26] *** jpfn has joined #haiku[08:17:29] <dreamed> this is an aram ultra 2[08:17:44] <leavengood> kitrisah: Sadly I'm shocked how slow my relatively new MacBook can feel and especially that I NEED 8GB to work on it doing Ruby on Rails development.[08:18:13] <kitrisah> jessicah: what is the name of this category of mini desktops? For instance, the category that imitates MacBook Airs is now named "Ultrabooks". And laptops on the category of netbooks is hard to find :\[08:18:15] <dreamed> leavengood: osx uses all of the rams[08:18:23] <dreamed> it doesn't like any of them to feel left out or anything[08:18:30] <leavengood> But Ruby is a memory hog and I tend to use too many browser tabs[08:18:33] <leavengood> hehe[08:18:57] <dreamed> chrome is an absolute pig in osx[08:19:02] <leavengood> But a coworker was getting kernel panics in OS X from running out of memory when he had 4GB[08:19:04] <dreamed> if you're using it[08:19:08] <leavengood> yeah I am[08:19:10] <kitrisah> leavengood: I own a recent MacBook Pro, and I consider it quite snappy (but it's subjective, of course)[08:19:10] <dreamed> whut?[08:19:16] <dreamed> I haven't seen osx kernel panic in years[08:19:23] <leavengood> yeah he had them all the time[08:19:36] <dreamed> faulty hardware maybe?[08:19:40] <dreamed> very unusual[08:19:40] <kitrisah> leavengood: I previously had macbook air, white macbook, mac mini, and powerbook g4...[08:19:50] <leavengood> seems to have been lack of RAM[08:20:20] <leavengood> dreamed->SetAppleFanboySetting(-100000);[08:20:26] <leavengood> please :)[08:20:40] <dreamed> ibook g4 + g3 powermac > mdd g4 powermac > core2duo mac mini > macbook pro > macbook pro > macbook pro > macbook pro retina[08:20:43] <leavengood> They ain't perfect[08:20:43] <dreamed> >_>[08:20:54] <dreamed> leavengood: bit hard, see above[08:20:58] <leavengood> But overall I really like my Mac[08:21:05] <leavengood> hehe[08:21:09] <dreamed> there's also a g4 quicksilver powermac by my desk at work[08:21:11] *** Disreali has quit IRC[08:21:34] <jessicah> kitrisah: i have no idea[08:21:55] <dreamed> I'd never suggest mac is perfect[08:22:00] <dreamed> I have a love hate relationship with Apple[08:22:06] <jessicah> it's just a low power mini PC[08:22:17] <dreamed> they keep making osx better .. but also removing many of the things I liked about it[08:22:28] <dreamed> and nz mac hardware support is utterly abysmal[08:22:36] <kitrisah> leavengood: granted, new apple fans can get quite annoying. Unfortunately, given my experiences in community work, Linux zealots can get even agressive. So given a choice between the two, I'd rather deal with the first. Windows fans? as in, an organized fan club? nope, never seen that...[08:22:37] <jessicah> the part i like best about it is b/c it's based on a laptop design, it has an inbuilt battery that acts like a UPS[08:22:51] <dreamed> jessicah: huh, wasn't aware of that[08:22:53] <dreamed> that's cool[08:23:20] <jessicah> yup, loved my eeebox[08:23:21] <dreamed> linux zealots seem to be better informed than google zealots though[08:23:30] <kitrisah> jessicah: "mini pc". i guess that sounds familiar. thanks![08:23:31] <jessicah> would love to see it rejuvenated with haiku :D[08:23:51] <jessicah> wonder if replacing the slow 2.5" drive with an SSD would be worthwhile[08:24:30] <dreamed> if haiku operates in any way like unix (i.e. flat config files etc) ssd would probably benefit it[08:24:34] <dreamed> though given how speedy it already is..[08:24:45] <leavengood> SSD helps everything[08:24:51] <augiedoggie> eh, haiku doesn't do TRIM[08:24:59] <leavengood> neither does Linux[08:25:04] <kitrisah> TRIM?[08:25:13] <augiedoggie> I'm pretty sure it does[08:25:21] <dreamed> linux definitely does TRIM[08:25:34] <leavengood> Read up on it[08:25:39] <jessicah> it's an ATA command added that increases lifespan of SSDs[08:25:44] *** _marc` has quit IRC[08:26:17] <augiedoggie> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRIM#Operating_system_support[08:26:23] <kitrisah> got it! http://www.intel.com/support/ssdc/hpssd/sb/CS-031846.htm?wapkw=%28TRIM%29[08:26:58] <dreamed> so yes, linux has had trim for 4 years[08:27:34] <jessicah> except not all FS support it[08:27:41] <jessicah> notably absent is ext3[08:27:47] <leavengood> it is disabled by default[08:27:54] <dreamed> mmm btrfs[08:28:05] <leavengood> and not recommended, making it essentially something Linux doesn't do[08:28:21] <leavengood> so you guys can shut up now[08:28:25] <leavengood> ;)[08:28:35] * dreamed stuffs leavengood's mouth full of broccoli[08:29:01] <augiedoggie> a) it's some semi-random guy on a forum[08:29:02] <leavengood> Seriously though, I was looking into it to see how Haiku could do it, and read the above.[08:29:07] <augiedoggie> b)it's 2 years old[08:30:14] <leavengood> augiedoggie: Do you have an SSD with Linux and it is working with TRIM?[08:30:28] <augiedoggie> haven't made the plunge yet[08:30:34] <augiedoggie> but I'm getting closer[08:30:34] <dreamed> hrmm trim isn't enabled for non apple ssds[08:30:43] <dreamed> mine's not the os disk, but I should still run a util on it[08:30:45] * dreamed ponders[08:31:09] *** Negr0_VoP2P has joined #haiku[08:31:15] <leavengood> I'm using Ubuntu here with an SSD, so I should figure out how to do it I guess[08:31:34] <leavengood> But it seems to be a pain in the butt[08:31:59] <leavengood> requiring a cron to run so often, manual editing of files, typical Linux bullshit[08:32:20] <augiedoggie> "there's a distro for that" :P[08:32:35] <jessicah> hmm, i wonder if you use the "Solid-state drive" option in vbox, whether you can use that to test an implementation for TRIM[08:32:58] <leavengood> yeah we hope so, because I don't think anyone wants to trash a real SSD[08:33:08] <jessicah> yeah...[08:33:20] <dreamed> leavengood: my expectation of linux users is that they will put up with that sort of crap[08:33:24] <dreamed> I cbf, hence mac[08:33:25] <dreamed> ;)[08:33:31] <jessicah> is there a ticket for TRIM support in BFS?[08:33:47] <augiedoggie> I believe so[08:33:55] <augiedoggie> iirc, jonas started working on it[08:34:01] * jessicah gives search a whirl[08:34:29] <leavengood> kallisti5 started working on it[08:34:34] <jessicah> #7876[08:37:20] *** stargater has joined #haiku[08:37:22] *** Negr0_VoP2P has quit IRC[08:37:27] <stargater> moin[08:39:19] <augiedoggie> and http://www.freelists.org/post/haiku-development/RFC-TRIM-request-support-in-ahci-with-code[08:40:56] <kitrisah> leavengood: thank you for voicing up about About boxes! I realize you probably didn't do it for me, but still, thanks anyways :D[08:42:18] *** jpfn has quit IRC[08:42:32] <jessicah> hihi stargater[08:43:20] <leavengood> yeah I tried[08:43:45] *** paul0 has joined #haiku[08:43:47] <leavengood> alright, heading to bed (and way too late)[08:43:54] <dreamed> nn[08:43:58] <kitrisah> bye[08:44:00] <kitrisah> me too[08:44:14] *** leavengood has quit IRC[08:44:21] <kitrisah> quick question: does haiku support swap already?[08:44:37] <kitrisah> swap as in disk cache...[08:45:40] <kitrisah> as in paging...[08:45:51] <geist> yes[08:46:56] <kitrisah> geist: hellooo!![08:46:58] *** MatthewH12 has quit IRC[08:47:57] <geist> hiya[08:49:17] <kitrisah> I've said this out loud before, but let me say it again: thank you very much, sir, for all your work. the end. :)[08:50:36] <kitrisah> like ryan, I'm gonna be leaving too[08:50:38] <kitrisah> cheers all[08:50:50] *** kitrisah is now known as kitrisah_z[08:52:24] *** kcj has joined #haiku[08:53:14] *** kcj has quit IRC[08:53:30] *** kcj has joined #haiku[08:54:23] *** P4R4N01D has joined #haiku[08:58:20] *** letharion_ has quit IRC[08:59:44] * kitrisah_z goes zz[09:00:52] <dreamed> nn[09:01:04] <jessicah> night night[09:01:57] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[09:02:06] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[09:02:59] <jessicah> an hour to go[09:04:05] <dreamed> until?[09:04:17] <jessicah> episode 8![09:05:52] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[09:05:53] *** JsobCloud_ is now known as JsobCloud[09:06:19] <jessicah> you know, it's patently ridiculous that my unbuntu server install doesn't add an ntp daemon out of the box[09:06:32] <jessicah> or if it does, doesn't configure it properly[09:06:44] <jessicah> a server shouldn't have inaccurate time...[09:07:09] <jessicah> it's out by 30 minutes now[09:07:35] <dreamed> odd[09:07:38] <dreamed> episode 8 of what?[09:07:45] <jessicah> falling skies![09:07:51] <dreamed> oooh[09:08:14] <jessicah> there was no episode last week[09:08:24] <jessicah> so been waiting two whole weeks[09:08:34] <augiedoggie> first season?[09:08:49] *** rimio has joined #haiku[09:08:49] <jessicah> season 2[09:09:00] <augiedoggie> hm, I haven't been paying attention[09:09:08] <jessicah> :p[09:09:11] <augiedoggie> didn't realize they were up that high yet[09:10:21] *** Negr0_VoP2P_LMin has joined #haiku[09:11:30] <stargater> any freelancer here ? = https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.maui.workdeliveredlight[09:11:42] <stargater> Negr0_VoP2P_LMin: hi[09:12:05] <dreamed> http://www.flickr.com/photos/hoodooyoudo/7723555774/lightbox/[09:12:10] <dreamed> need dinner[09:12:15] <dreamed> so does the complaints department[09:12:35] <stargater> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/856/myhaiku2012.png/[09:13:00] *** letharion has joined #haiku[09:13:37] <jessicah> dreamed: wicked pic[09:15:29] <jessicah> serenity is cool too[09:15:52] <jessicah> complaints department?[09:17:50] <Negr0_VoP2P_LMin> stargater: hi[09:23:05] *** _marc` has joined #haiku[09:24:42] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[09:27:36] *** TimKack has joined #haiku[09:33:46] <dreamed> oh ta[09:33:51] <dreamed> complaints department = cat[09:34:31] <jessicah> oh lol[09:34:44] <jessicah> my cats don't complain too much[09:35:17] <dreamed> mine's a bit vocal[09:35:24] <dreamed> though usually it's because I'm not playing with him[09:35:36] <dreamed> or he's just come in from the rain and needs towelling off[09:35:46] <dreamed> (this is a problem because he likes rain, and goes back out)[09:37:12] <jessicah> :p[09:37:39] <jessicah> i do have 6 cats though... so they can usually play with each other[09:37:45] <dreamed> ah[09:37:52] <dreamed> he had 2 brothers and 3 sisters[09:37:58] <dreamed> but they're all with other people now[09:38:04] <dreamed> and he's never been social[09:38:09] <dreamed> at least, not with other cats[09:38:27] <jessicah> starburst is the most social out of the bunch[09:38:42] <dreamed> is starburst ... nom?[09:38:57] <jessicah> when i had friends over for movie night, he was the only one who played with my guests[09:39:10] <jessicah> nom?[09:39:26] <dreamed> well you know, om nom nom[09:39:33] <dreamed> given, name[09:40:42] <jessicah> :o[09:40:52] <jessicah> he's cute...[09:42:49] <jessicah> so much headache pain[09:43:14] <jessicah> been getting worse all day :([09:44:27] * dreamed sears[09:44:30] <dreamed> aww such :/[09:44:34] <dreamed> er, swears[09:44:52] *** diver has left #haiku[09:45:55] <dreamed> landlord's daughter wants to move in here[09:45:56] <dreamed> sigh[09:46:02] <dreamed> it's been so nice here, too[09:48:02] <jessicah> evict you?[09:48:06] <dreamed> yup[09:48:24] <jessicah> i'm pretty sure they can't do that[09:48:30] <dreamed> they absolutely can[09:48:35] <dreamed> there's a provision in the law[09:48:39] <dreamed> 6 weeks noticed required for family[09:48:49] <jessicah> :o[09:48:50] <dreamed> my mum rented a place out and we talked about me renting it[09:48:54] <dreamed> plus[09:48:58] <dreamed> lease is up in six weeks anyway[09:50:20] <dreamed> 7 weeks notice at least[09:50:22] <dreamed> heh[09:50:25] * dreamed sighs[09:52:58] <jessicah> weird[09:53:02] <jessicah> i didn't know that[09:53:12] <jessicah> i hope all goes well with the prospective move[09:53:22] <dreamed> I try to learn as much about rental law as possible after having a nasty landlord[09:53:22] <jessicah> i've been in my flat for 5 years now[09:53:50] <dreamed> I've moved on average every six months for the past 7 years[09:53:55] <dreamed> I was hoping to drop that habit[09:54:04] <jessicah> :([09:54:21] <jessicah> i couldn't imagine moving that often...[09:54:40] <dreamed> I don't own very much stuff anymore heh[09:54:59] <jessicah> i have too much stuff to move that often[09:55:07] *** diver has joined #haiku[09:55:31] <jessicah> two pianos, two guitars, bike, two extra sets of wheels, on top of all the regular stuff[09:55:36] <jessicah> too many shoes[09:55:44] <dreamed> heh[09:55:47] <dreamed> pianos? nice[09:56:02] <jessicah> one digital (and broken), one upright[09:56:12] <dreamed> car, extra set of wheels, tv, whiteware, bed, writing desk, gaming / photography stuffs[09:56:14] <jessicah> i'd like to get the broken one fixed one day....[09:56:37] <jessicah> oh and six cats[09:56:46] <jessicah> them alone make moving difficult[09:57:01] <jessicah> because odds of people wanting to rent a property to you is slim[09:57:18] <dreamed> yes[09:57:30] <dreamed> a cat was a massive issue in wellington[09:57:32] <dreamed> it's a nonissue up here[09:57:40] <dreamed> people here worry a bit about dogs, but never care about cats[09:57:42] <jessicah> really?[09:57:45] <dreamed> mmhmm[09:57:51] <jessicah> weird[09:58:00] <dreamed> most of the rental stuff out here is family homes[09:58:06] <jessicah> people usually aren't fussed about one cat[09:58:07] *** stargater has quit IRC[09:58:15] <dreamed> wellington places were fussed about one cat heh[09:58:39] <jessicah> totally weird[10:00:52] <jessicah> lol, one of my friends was showing me pics from her wedding[10:01:03] <jessicah> and one of her bridesmaids was wearing sandals[10:01:07] <jessicah> soooo fail[10:01:20] <augiedoggie> you guys do know that IRC allows private chats right? :P[10:01:31] <dreamed> lol[10:01:41] <dreamed> I guess that's a fair point[10:01:46] <jessicah> nobody else is talking :p[10:02:01] *** swarfega[away] is now known as swarfega[10:04:43] <jessicah> anyways, time to watch falling skies now :D[10:04:48] <dreamed> have fun ;)[10:04:51] <dreamed> time to look for a hoose[10:05:34] * jessicah thinks augiedoggie just feels left out of the convo ;p[10:05:46] <dreamed> does somebody need a hug?[10:05:49] <augiedoggie> eh, I wasn't trying to be rude, everyone does it in here[10:06:02] <augiedoggie> it = offtopic[10:06:41] * jessicah huggles augiedoggie[10:07:54] *** diver has left #haiku[10:15:14] *** diver has joined #haiku[10:16:25] *** vezhlys has joined #haiku[10:21:14] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[10:21:32] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[10:21:59] *** ttcoder has joined #haiku[10:23:50] <ttcoder> Anybody wants to fix a lil' typo? :-) I've noticed the last line goes "red green red" instead of "red green blue": http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=477a6b7bfb793e1f9842907cc47bcb7213ea8840[10:24:56] <augiedoggie> you missed leavengood by a few hours[10:25:02] *** asiekierka has joined #haiku[10:25:23] <augiedoggie> I can ping him about it sometime or you can file a ticket[10:26:01] <ttcoder> Was thinking of filing a ticket, but seemed overkill for a one-liner (3 characters) change ;) Figured i'd just throw it in here in IRC it's such a small commit to do[10:26:41] <augiedoggie> if you are around for another hour or two the european devs will come online and you can ask them[10:32:19] *** lucak3 has joined #haiku[10:32:26] *** lucak3 has left #haiku[10:33:22] <TimKack> Good morning. Has there been any attempt to build gcc 4.7? Just curious if we will see more languages in core gcc (gccgo, objc etc)[10:33:46] <TimKack> I have for the longest had the idea that I should really try to add at least objc but it is just very complicated[10:34:41] <augiedoggie> I believe the consensus was to have the other languages as optional packages[10:34:52] <augiedoggie> and only distribute c/c++ with haiku[10:35:29] <augiedoggie> re: https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/3561#comment:10[10:36:44] <TimKack> hmm.. Ok.. Thanks augiedoggie[10:37:12] <TimKack> I understand the reasoning behind keeping the build tools clean from unused dependencies[10:37:59] <TimKack> So I guess I just need to build gcc 4.7 and have two libgcc_s[10:38:14] *** vezhlys has left #haiku[10:38:15] *** Smartnow has joined #haiku[10:38:41] <augiedoggie> I'm not sure if someone has tried 4.7 lately[10:38:56] <augiedoggie> I vaguely recall someone saying the new optimizers were causing issues[10:39:42] <TimKack> I guess I can first get the porting of libobjc2 going on 4.6.1 of course[10:40:16] <TimKack> Just need to see how the haikuporter stuff works since that is probably the best way of doing this[10:40:22] <TimKack> :)[10:41:11] <TimKack> Doh.. Half the work is already done: https://webkeks.org/haiku-objc.patch[10:54:45] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.[10:57:11] *** pfcode has joined #haiku[10:57:22] <pfcode> Hey, i have a problem[10:57:46] <pfcode> I have haiku nightly build on cd and alpha3 iso on hdd[10:58:10] <pfcode> And want to install a3 from nightly. How can i do that?[10:58:11] <asiekierka> pfcode - Get anyboot, dd if=anyboot.image bs=1M of=/dev/disks/usb/?/?/raw (get ? from DriveSetup or something)[10:58:26] <asiekierka> Then boot from CD and select hard drive to boot from[10:58:44] <pfcode> I wasnt expecting answer from you, asiekierka :P[11:01:24] <pfcode> Can u give me a link to anyboot? There's no web browser in nightly![11:01:37] <pfcode> Use goo.gl, please[11:02:20] <jessicah> :o[11:02:26] <jessicah> web+ should be in the nightly[11:02:39] <pfcode> Hm?[11:02:52] <jessicah> web+, the browser[11:02:53] <pfcode> I dont see webpositive[11:03:07] <jessicah> mebbe you have an old nightly?[11:03:13] <pfcode> 44469[11:03:23] <jessicah> it's been in all nightlies i've downloaded[11:03:26] <jessicah> weird[11:03:51] <jessicah> are you using a hybrid? like gcc2h?[11:04:21] <pfcode> Hm.. i think i'm not[11:04:33] <pfcode> X86gcc2[11:04:44] <jessicah> that might be why then[11:04:44] <pfcode> Maybe it[11:04:48] <jessicah> web+ needs gcc4[11:04:52] <pfcode> Oh[11:05:07] <jessicah> the standard nightlies are gcc2h[11:06:02] <jessicah> http://goo.gl/iQhaZ[11:06:21] <jessicah> that's 44469 gcc2h anyboot xz[11:06:33] <pfcode> Thanks[11:06:35] <pfcode> :)[11:07:59] <jessicah> you should use gcc2 hybrid unless you have a specific use case :)[11:08:16] <jessicah> since R1 will be a gcc2 hybrid release[11:09:40] <jessicah> augiedoggie: we can be on topic too ;) hehe[11:09:43] * jessicah goes to sleep[11:09:50] <jessicah> night night[11:09:55] *** Negr0_VoP2P_LMin has quit IRC[11:10:59] *** Negr0_VoP2P_LMin has joined #haiku[11:16:14] *** AndChat|264089 has joined #haiku[11:16:18] *** pfcode has quit IRC[11:22:42] *** johnny_b has joined #haiku[11:23:07] *** AndChat|264089 has quit IRC[11:24:26] *** pfcode has joined #haiku[11:33:37] *** pfcode has quit IRC[11:42:49] *** XenoDuck has joined #haiku[11:45:56] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[11:46:14] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[11:49:18] <CIA-63> xyzzy-github.x86_64: xyzzy-github * 44672ada83568d55e0bc5bdf60ad932161e13e2c : Add usb_hid to image and get it building/working. [3 commits][12:02:35] *** macbookcolor has joined #haiku[12:06:19] *** macbookcolor has left #haiku[12:09:22] *** cherrypai has joined #haiku[12:10:20] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[12:10:35] *** negusnyul has joined #haiku[12:11:51] *** cherrypie has quit IRC[12:12:53] *** Postumus has joined #haiku[12:23:15] *** qptain_Nemo has joined #haiku[12:26:59] *** qptain_Nemo has quit IRC[12:40:13] *** HGN_ has joined #haiku[13:00:27] *** The123king has joined #haiku[13:01:04] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[13:03:00] <The123king> Any known issues with wifi in the recent nightlies?[13:03:45] *** happy4crazy has joined #haiku[13:04:38] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[13:04:39] *** JsobCloud_ is now known as JsobCloud[13:07:11] *** Megaf has joined #haiku[13:08:18] <Megaf> good morning folks[13:08:52] <The123king> Morning[13:09:58] <asiekierka> hello[13:10:46] <Megaf> Good to see people around. :)[13:11:28] <Megaf> hows Haiku going lately? I've been away from Haiku for quite awhile.[13:13:56] <asiekierka> We've got an OpenJDK port[13:14:53] <Megaf> wow, that's cool[13:15:14] <Megaf> now someone need to test Minecraft on Haiku! :P[13:15:27] <asiekierka> LWJGL is not ported yet[13:16:08] <arfonzo> Ahoy all.[13:16:11] <arfonzo> The123king: what's wrong with your wifi?[13:16:32] <arfonzo> It was fiddely for me, but I did get it working in the end (intel wifi here)[13:16:35] <xyzzy> probably would need 3D acceleration too, Minecraft is incredibly badly optimized :P[13:16:46] <asiekierka> i tested it on a 2D-accelerated machine ones[13:16:47] <asiekierka> 0.1 FPS[13:16:51] <asiekierka> and that's on tiny[13:17:03] <asiekierka> but that was a 1.2GHz ARM - a faster machine may work a bit better[13:17:05] *** Smartnow has quit IRC[13:17:19] <xyzzy> ouch :P[13:18:23] <ttcoder> Anyone with commit privileges reading this? I'm eager to transfer this baby to someone else :-b Reposting:[13:18:26] <ttcoder> Anybody wants to fix a lil' typo? :-) I've noticed the last line goes "red green red" instead of "red green blue": http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=477a6b7bfb793e1f9842907cc47bcb7213ea8840[13:20:52] <Megaf> asiekierka, how did you manage to run Minecraft on ARM?[13:21:55] <arfonzo> I've run minecraft on my 1ghz android arm, which has 3d acceleration, and it ran fine, I guess that indicates a need for 3d accel.[13:23:56] * ttcoder believes it's in good hands here, signing off[13:24:01] *** ttcoder has quit IRC[13:27:38] <The123king> My wifi card is atheros in an EeePC 701 running r44469[13:28:58] <The123king> Also, any idea what (more) would it take to get LWJGL on Haiku?[13:29:54] <The123king> Being a second year CS student who's gonna be studying C++ and Java next year....[13:30:12] <The123king> And has a Minecraft and Haiku obsession....[13:32:03] <arfonzo> The123king: can you be more specific about your wifi issue please?[13:32:40] <arfonzo> "in general", AFAIK, atheros wifi is supported, but I don't have an atheros wifi card myself.[13:32:45] <asiekierka> Megaf - I got Ubuntu on my old tablet[13:32:50] <asiekierka> Installed the swx11 mesa[13:32:53] <asiekierka> and found ARM native binaries[13:33:23] <Megaf> I see[13:33:27] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[13:33:45] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[13:36:05] <The123king> Well sometimes it hangsdeskbar and the network preflet, but most of the time it just hangs on "configuring"[13:36:32] <The123king> IIRC R1A3 worked fine[13:36:43] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[13:37:01] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[13:38:36] <arfonzo> what's your hrev?[13:38:50] <The123king> R44469[13:40:37] <arfonzo> have you tried running net_server from terminal, that gives more output[13:42:30] <arfonzo> Also, this should be fixed, however there used to be a problem with the binary being stripped, check filesize of wpa_supplicant[13:42:36] <The123king> How'd i do that?[13:44:11] <The123king> The net_server from terminal?[13:44:15] <The123king> Kill it first?[13:44:45] <arfonzo> yep, for example "hey net_server quit"[13:45:11] <The123king> Ah, hey[13:45:38] <The123king> Wpa supplicant is 230.41kb[13:45:44] <The123king> So i guess its ok[13:46:20] *** pfcode has joined #haiku[13:47:09] <arfonzo> I had this strange problem in my case, where it would be stuck on "Configuring", like you. It worked after reboot.[13:47:51] <arfonzo> This was on my thinkpad tablet X61t from a hrev a month or so ago[13:48:36] <The123king> Reboots don't fix it[13:49:15] <CIA-63> xyzzy-github.x86_64: xyzzy-github * 2997a1912589c1b6c3276eaa4ab797040cd69230 : Fixed UHCI for x86_64.[13:50:08] <arfonzo> The123king: have you checked the dev tracker for tickets regarding your specific device?[13:50:46] <The123king> Tbh no, but i'll go look[13:51:27] <arfonzo> It may provide some more insight.[13:51:32] <The123king> I thought that if it was a know issue someone in IRC would know[13:52:29] <The123king> Ah[13:52:33] <arfonzo> Someone in here probably does, however they may be AFK.[13:53:21] <The123king> According to the net server debug, "DHCP failed miserably!"[13:53:31] <The123king> I love haiku's debug messages[14:01:02] <The123king> I'm a bit out of the loop with Haiku. I stopped following before the switchover to GIT...[14:04:50] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[14:05:10] <The123king> arfonzo: Just tried wired too. No luck[14:05:37] *** pfcode has quit IRC[14:05:52] <arfonzo> Have you tried to see if you can setup a static ip?[14:08:36] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[14:08:37] *** JsobCloud_ is now known as JsobCloud[14:09:23] *** HGN_ has quit IRC[14:10:03] <The123king> Yep, no luck[14:11:06] *** happy4crazy has quit IRC[14:13:57] *** oco has joined #haiku[14:17:44] <The123king> The ethernet chipset shows up in devicEs bu[14:18:05] <The123king> But the network preflet doesn't show it[14:18:19] <The123king> As well as the wifi issues[14:19:09] *** Bryanstein has quit IRC[14:19:14] *** backb0ne_ has joined #haiku[14:20:39] *** backb0ne_ has quit IRC[14:26:15] *** adev has joined #haiku[14:33:28] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[14:33:29] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[14:36:10] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[14:36:28] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[14:39:19] *** happy4crazy has joined #haiku[14:40:37] *** happy4cr_ has joined #haiku[14:44:01] *** happy4crazy has quit IRC[14:50:44] *** oco has quit IRC[14:52:05] *** oco has joined #haiku[14:53:18] *** Soft has joined #haiku[14:54:49] *** Cian has joined #haiku[14:54:52] *** johnny_b has quit IRC[14:55:19] <Cian> vlc 2.0.3 now has an extremely badly corrupt but "working" audio output again :D[14:58:52] *** Cian has quit IRC[14:59:38] *** oco has quit IRC[15:04:35] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[15:04:52] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[15:07:10] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[15:07:13] *** backb0ne has quit IRC[15:07:28] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[15:09:34] *** arfonzo has quit IRC[15:10:54] *** arfonzo has joined #haiku[15:13:06] *** kcj has quit IRC[15:13:19] *** hamishm has joined #haiku[15:13:30] *** cherrypai has quit IRC[15:14:09] *** backb0ne has joined #haiku[15:14:56] *** nsuperbus has joined #haiku[15:20:53] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[15:22:35] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[15:23:58] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[15:23:59] *** JsobCloud_ is now known as JsobCloud[15:28:19] *** jayrulez has joined #haiku[15:41:34] <jstressman> regarding that VLC rant I did... they made the change I suggested already. reduced the volume to the old range, and reduced the directsound output to the microsoft 100% limit.[15:41:42] <jstressman> that should solve all the problems.[15:42:46] <jstressman> they apparently made them between the last rude dismissal of the problem, and my latest post. ;) haha[15:42:50] <jstressman> I should have double checked first.[15:43:27] <jstressman> either way, I got to vent about their attitudes, and got the change I wanted in the end. so I'm happy, if a little embarrassed at my oversight. ;)[15:45:49] *** kazenomanazashi has joined #haiku[15:46:17][15:46:34] <kazenomanazashi> KASUMI KASUMI KASUMI[15:46:37] *** kazenomanazashi has left #haiku[15:48:06] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[15:48:34] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[15:50:43] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[15:54:22] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[15:54:23] *** JsobCloud_ is now known as JsobCloud[16:00:40] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[16:21:43] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[16:32:25] *** Bryanstein has joined #haiku[16:36:42] *** Postumus has quit IRC[16:37:56] *** Luko has joined #haiku[16:39:24] *** dcase has joined #haiku[16:43:43] *** happy4cr_ has quit IRC[16:43:59] *** leszek has joined #haiku[16:44:49] <leszek> hi[16:49:15] <CIA-63> mmadia-github.separate-build-environment: mmadia-github * 5246df2692d891624926752599feae95c76da612 : Fixed a typo. 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We want Russia First Channel to show our favorite Anime! Please, sign our petition! http://www.change.org/petitions/-kimagure-orange-road If there is some russian otakus we gonna be very pleased by they're signs![17:46:09] *** kazenomanazashi has left #haiku[17:46:10] *** Negr0_VoP2P has joined #haiku[17:47:02] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmadia[17:47:30] *** mmadia sets mode: +b *!*@93-80-195-233.broadband.corbina.ru[17:47:35] *** mmadia sets mode: -o mmadia[17:50:12] *** Miika-- has left #haiku[17:50:46] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[17:51:05] <leszek> LOL spam in the irc :P[17:54:51] *** TimKack has quit IRC[17:58:07] *** adev has quit IRC[18:00:40] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[18:03:10] *** jmelesky has joined #haiku[18:03:15] *** tqh has joined #haiku[18:08:23] *** Megaf has quit IRC[18:14:58] *** Megaf has joined #haiku[18:15:45] *** luroh has joined #haiku[18:17:49] <Anarchos> leszek yes, very strange[18:18:34] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[18:18:34] *** arfonzo has quit IRC[18:20:11] *** arfonzo has joined #haiku[18:21:29] *** Negr0_VoP2P has quit IRC[18:22:49] *** mmadia is now known as mmadia_[18:23:21] *** Luko has quit IRC[18:23:51] <CIA-63> haiku.master: humdinger * hrev44479 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=4d99b24 : Removed Mr.Peeps from a ResEdit alert. Thanks Eagleeye Ryan! 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This oversight in hrev44359 made[20:07:44] <CIA-63> checkfs incorrectly rebuild valid indices, causing #8762.[20:07:44] <CIA-63> Signed-off-by: Axel Dörfler <axeld at pinc-software dot de>[20:09:41] *** idefix_gromit has joined #haiku[20:13:57] *** qptain_Nemo has joined #haiku[20:14:00] *** mmadia_ is now known as mmadia[20:17:15] *** BitPuffin has quit IRC[20:17:17] *** pulkomandy has quit IRC[20:19:36] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[20:20:25] *** pfcode has joined #haiku[20:25:04] *** asiekierka_ has joined #haiku[20:28:07] *** echelog` has joined #haiku[20:28:09] *** echelog has quit IRC[20:29:08] *** echelog` is now known as echelog[20:29:08] *** echelog has quit IRC[20:29:22] *** echelog has joined #haiku[20:30:33] *** mmu_man_ has joined #haiku[20:30:34] *** cnuke_ has joined #haiku[20:31:05] *** NeonLich1 has joined #haiku[20:31:19] *** js___ has joined #haiku[20:33:07] *** brobosti1on has joined #haiku[20:34:15] *** echelog has joined #haiku[20:34:28] *** brobostigon has quit IRC[20:34:46] *** brobosti1on is now known as brobostigon[20:34:47] *** asiekierka_ has quit IRC[20:35:07] *** arfunzu has joined #haiku[20:36:01] <CIA-63> HaikuPorts: scottmc * r2003 /haikuports/trunk/dev-libs/mpfr/mpfr-3.1.1.bep http://ports.haiku-files.org/changeset/2003 : Fixed datarootdir for mpfr.[20:36:24] *** orealis has quit IRC[20:38:30] *** orealis has joined #haiku[20:38:59] *** letharion__ has joined #haiku[20:39:06] *** letharion has quit IRC[20:39:06] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[20:39:07] *** arfonzo has quit IRC[20:39:09] *** js has quit IRC[20:39:10] *** cnuke has quit IRC[20:39:12] *** NeonLicht has quit IRC[20:39:13] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[20:39:17] *** js___ is now known as js[20:39:18] *** dimonov has quit IRC[20:39:20] *** Drakevr has quit IRC[20:39:21] *** JsobCloud has joined #haiku[20:39:52] *** dimonov has joined #haiku[20:42:31] *** Drakevr has joined #haiku[20:46:07] *** bbjimmy-at-home has joined #haiku[20:48:14] *** jayrulez_ has joined #haiku[20:49:13] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[20:49:13] *** bbjimmy-at-home is now known as bbjimmy[20:50:02] *** jayrulez has quit IRC[20:50:38] *** happy4crazy has joined #haiku[20:51:47] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[20:53:02] *** stpere has joined #haiku[20:57:41] *** pfcode has quit IRC[21:01:33] *** vezhlys has quit IRC[21:02:10] *** vezhlys has joined #haiku[21:02:31] *** vezhlys_ has joined #haiku[21:03:52] *** Cian has joined #haiku[21:07:48] <Cian> does anyone know what the standard size_t of a buffer packet BSoundPlayer expects from its callback function?[21:12:07] <hamishm> buffer size is specified in the format you use to create the BSoundPlayer isn't it?[21:13:35] <Cian> there is one there, yes... didn't think of that[21:13:58] <Cian> I've spent two solid days fighting VLC and all I've got so far is slightly spitchy audio so my brains been fried[21:15:44] *** bbjimmy-at-home has joined #haiku[21:17:01] *** rdmr has quit IRC[21:18:14] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[21:18:15] *** bbjimmy-at-home is now known as bbjimmy[21:21:34] *** nsuperbus has quit IRC[21:21:57] *** Megaf has quit IRC[21:25:41] *** oco has joined #haiku[21:25:59] *** rdmr has joined #haiku[21:26:57] *** Megaf has joined #haiku[21:27:43] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[21:28:00] <Anarchos> Cian i can't even use CDplayer for same reason[21:28:11] *** Luigi021 has joined #haiku[21:28:16] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[21:28:21] <Anarchos> CHARLOTTE[21:28:50] * dreamed quirks an eyebrow Anarchos' way[21:28:54] <dreamed> tourettes?[21:29:03] <HaikuUser> fff[21:29:17] *** BitPuffin has joined #haiku[21:29:19] <HaikuUser> cd ..[21:29:32] <Anarchos> Thalie[21:29:34] <HaikuUser> top[21:29:43] <HaikuUser> ls -la[21:29:56] <PulkoMandy> HaikuUser: this is not the terminal[21:30:00] <HaikuUser> exit[21:30:03] *** HaikuUser was kicked by augiedoggie (HaikuUser)[21:30:03] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[21:30:04] <Anarchos> just kids learning the keymap with their names :)[21:30:18] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[21:30:39] <Cian> Anarchos everything else works fine auido wise, its solely VLC / how I have it handing over its internal buffers[21:30:50] *** Megaf has quit IRC[21:30:51] <Anarchos> anthony[21:32:47] *** rdmr has quit IRC[21:33:54] *** bbjimmy has joined #haiku[21:35:08] <hamishm> Cian: how does vlc hand over its internal buffers?[21:35:38] <Cian> hamishm this is where I'm horribly over my head and surprised I've got this far...[21:36:26] <Cian> the buffer is handed over as a "block_t" which is a struct containing a block of the buffer and details on how long it is, etc; as an argument to a callback function.[21:37:10] <stpere> Anarchos, cats tend to try this also.. with various level of success :)[21:37:29] <Cian> because BSoundPlayer has a callback function of its own to fill the buffer, I have it created already and just load the provided buffer to another block_t that's accesible from outside the function (free'ing it before loading or else I get insane memory leaks...)[21:38:01] <Cian> in the BSoundPlayer callback, the contents of block_t->pbuffer which is teh audio is memcpy'ed in to the BSoundPlayer buffer[21:38:25] <Cian> which is how VLC 0.8 did it back in the old days, but the source buffer was handed over completely differently then.[21:38:30] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[21:38:38] <hamishm> I guess you'd get major sync problems between the two callbacks[21:39:11] <hamishm> you might want to try having a shared queue of some sort[21:39:15] <Cian> presumably yes[21:39:28] <hamishm> when you get a buffer from vlc, dump the contents into the queue[21:39:35] <Cian> hamishm that, unfortunately, is where you've lost me... my programming knowledge is extremely poor[21:41:02] <hamishm> a queue is basically a container for data, where you place data on the end and remove data from the front[21:41:29] <Cian> push/pop effectively? (going back to my C++ For Dummies memories here)[21:41:50] <hamishm> yes, except the push and pop happens at opposite ends[21:42:34] <hamishm> so the first thing you push will be the first thing to pop[21:43:12] <hamishm> so in the VLC callback you push the samples from the buffer onto the queue[21:43:42] <hamishm> and in the BSoundPlayer callback you pop the samples[21:44:11] <Cian> ok. will give that a go[21:49:57] *** asiekierka has quit IRC[21:53:42] *** juaa_ has joined #haiku[21:53:51] *** jua_ has quit IRC[21:53:58] <CIA-63> haiku.master: phoudoin * hrev44481 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=b292f69 : Fix typo, spotted by ttcoder. Thanks.[21:56:50] <Cian> hamishm well I've got it playing through a queue now and its still sounding wonky... time to check my block sizes match properly[21:58:20] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[21:58:58] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[22:01:01] *** Luigi021 has quit IRC[22:01:02] <hamishm> when you say wonky do you mean it's crackly?[22:01:04] <hamishm> or something else[22:02:32] <Cian> crackly as if the last bit of the buffer is missing[22:02:36] <Cian> its still entirely intelligible[22:03:35] <hamishm> ah. have you tested whether you manage to fill the entire BSoundPlayer buffer?[22:08:47] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[22:10:40] *** tqh has quit IRC[22:12:53] *** backb0ne has quit IRC[22:13:59] *** luko has joined #haiku[22:13:59] <Cian> hamishm I'm trying to figure out how to do that[22:14:33] *** luko has quit IRC[22:14:42] *** luko has joined #haiku[22:14:52] <luko> hi[22:14:56] <kitrisah_z> oy[22:15:06] *** tqh has joined #haiku[22:15:21] *** kitrisah_z is now known as kitrisah[22:15:52] <hamishm> Cian: printf the size of the soundplayer buffer, and printf the number of samples read from the queue[22:16:03] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[22:23:16] <CIA-63> haiku.master: kallisti5 * hrev44482 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=bef63a4 :[22:23:16] <CIA-63> radeon_hd: fix cosmetic encoder order [2 commits][22:23:17] <CIA-63> * While Travis is listed before Nutmeg[22:23:17] <CIA-63> in ObjectID.h, their values are reversed.[22:25:44] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[22:26:26] *** HaikuUser is now known as Robaux[22:30:25] *** kitrisah has quit IRC[22:32:41] *** Megaf has joined #haiku[22:37:51] *** _marc` has joined #haiku[22:38:34] <Cian> hamishm I'm beginning to think something else is horribly wrong with my code here. The BSoundPlayer buffer was smaller than what was being sent to it, but I corrected what's being sent and it sounds the same[22:38:59] *** RQ has quit IRC[22:43:44] <hamishm> well that's the point of using a queue, you only need to read the amount BSoundPlayer needs from the queue[22:44:10] <hamishm> could you pastebin your code maybe?[22:45:08] *** luko has quit IRC[22:45:46] *** leszek has quit IRC[22:46:00] <Cian> I was just pushing the structs to the queue... will see if I can figure out putting the data only there.[22:46:58] *** asiekierka has joined #haiku[22:47:44] <hamishm> I doubt that would work[22:48:12] <hamishm> as the data the struct points to may well be cleared/written over by the next time the vlc callback is called[22:48:29] *** dcase has quit IRC[22:49:30] <CIA-63> ahenriksson-github.production: ahenriksson-github * 5cbffd392ebc19ddcecc1ccc64fe20a1c36e370f : Fix deadlock when reinitializing block allocator [11 commits][22:49:50] *** oco has quit IRC[22:53:23] *** oco has joined #haiku[22:57:15] *** asiekierka has quit IRC[22:57:33] *** idefix_gromit has left #haiku[23:00:28] <CIA-63> HaikuPorts: scottmc * r2004 /haikuports/trunk/dev-libs/libiconv/libiconv-1.12.bep http://ports.haiku-files.org/changeset/2004 :[23:00:28] <CIA-63> Fixed libiconv-1.12 so that it builds again.[23:00:28] <CIA-63> Added icon.m4 file to the distribution package, see #549.[23:04:42] <jessicah> Cian: if you'd like some help, i can have a look when i get to work[23:05:07] <jessicah> i've written basic audio driver & media player for my lil kernel project before[23:05:38] <Cian> jessicah I may take you up on that. Rebooting the VM to make sure nothing's broken badly now...[23:05:41] <dreamed> morning[23:06:01] <jessicah> morning :)[23:13:15] *** Negr0_VoP2P has joined #haiku[23:13:34] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[23:14:47] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[23:19:55] *** backb0ne has joined #haiku[23:22:10] *** johnny_b has quit IRC[23:22:16] *** NeonLich1 is now known as NeonLicht[23:25:50] *** negusnyul has quit IRC[23:33:23] *** Postumus has quit IRC[23:37:53] *** tqh has quit IRC[23:38:58] *** piepsi has joined #haiku[23:40:13] <Cian> hamishm got the audio clean now, I'm just leaking memory like crazy now but I'll figure that out![23:45:34] <hamishm> that's odd[23:45:43] <hamishm> you're not allocating any buffers yourself other than the queue?[23:48:06] <Cian> hamishm I'm not. I think it's not releasing the used blocks of the buffer though.[23:49:21] <CIA-63> pdziepak-github.nfs4: pdziepak-github * 224d602294491975618b856227b84120a5e1e0fc : nfs4: Add support for CB_GETATTR [6 commits][23:52:32] <jessicah> aaaand at work[23:53:23] <dreamed> been here since 6:57[23:53:24] <dreamed> ;)[23:53:38] <jessicah> :p[23:54:07] <dreamed> woke up stupid early, figured I'd come to work[23:54:23] <dreamed> probably couldn't get back to sleep because my brain is unhappy about house hunting[23:55:01] <Cian> hamishm found the leak but fixing it screws the audio up again. I think I might leave this till tomorrow![23:55:07] <jessicah> ohh :([23:55:20] <jessicah> Cian: do you have a WIP i can look at?[23:55:40] <Cian> jessicah I can throw one up but you might need to compare it to other VLC aout's[23:55:55] <jessicah> sure, i can do some googling[23:56:50] <Cian> and bear in mind that I'm not a programmer; I'm a windows/SQL sysadmin :/[23:57:14] <dreamed> Cian: there's a cream for that[23:58:19] <Cian> http://pastebin.com/FWy4qA8W[23:59:11] <hamishm> the main problem is that you are pushing a pointer to the audio buffer onto the queue[23:59:40] <Cian> hamishm I vaguely suspected that, but I've no idea how to push the data rather than the pointer