August 3, 2012 
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August 3, 2012 [00:06:40] *** PasNox has quit IRC[00:12:59] <Anarchos> If i move the bookmarks folder to another partition, and put a link to it, W+ doesn't find them anymore[00:15:25] *** Ingenu has left #haiku[00:18:22] *** kcj has joined #haiku[00:35:13] <jstressman> :/[00:35:55] <Anarchos> jstressman yes i thought it should work[00:37:41] *** GeekShadow has quit IRC[00:38:10] *** GeekShadow has joined #haiku[00:39:05] *** Blub\w has quit IRC[00:43:48] <jstressman> seems like it should.[00:43:58] <jstressman> the other partition is BFS?[00:46:30] *** happy4crazy has joined #haiku[00:47:54] <Anarchos> jstressman yes[00:50:42] *** happy4crazy has quit IRC[00:53:18] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[01:08:43] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[01:13:55] *** Prodito has quit IRC[01:18:41] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[01:18:42] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[01:18:49] *** letharion has quit IRC[01:19:37] *** GeekShadow has quit IRC[01:20:42] *** letharion_ has joined #haiku[01:25:40] *** jayrulez_ has quit IRC[01:31:02] *** happy4crazy has joined #haiku[01:36:49] *** happy4crazy has quit IRC[01:41:53] *** swarfega is now known as swarfega[away][01:43:54] *** GeekShadow has joined #haiku[01:45:37] *** Negr0_VoP2P has quit IRC[01:48:29] *** luroh has quit IRC[01:54:39] *** negusnyul has quit IRC[01:55:08] *** jjido has quit IRC[01:55:13] *** oco2 has quit IRC[02:00:02] *** BitPuffin has quit IRC[02:08:12] *** jmelesky has quit IRC[02:20:25] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[02:21:09] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[02:23:35] <adamk> kallisti5: Did you look into that bug report I opened up yet? :-)[02:30:01] <CIA-63> haiku.master: anevilyak * hrev44457 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=886f145 : Printf format adjustments to get ahci building on x86_64.[02:33:50] *** _0x0dev has joined #haiku[02:45:18] *** rdmr has joined #haiku[02:46:33] *** stpere has joined #haiku[02:49:13] *** _0x0dev has quit IRC[02:49:17] <CIA-63> mmadia-github.separate-build-environment: mmadia-github * 22142d098b60014995cebad90ce85ef48ce34e09 : Create wrapper header for os_target/target_SupportDefs.h [3 commits][02:52:54] *** _0x0dev has joined #haiku[03:04:47] *** rdmr has quit IRC[03:11:04] *** rennj has quit IRC[03:14:00] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[03:17:54] *** rennj has joined #haiku[03:24:43] *** _0x0dev has quit IRC[03:35:12] *** Postumus has quit IRC[03:35:19] *** mmadia has quit IRC[03:44:57] <krazeivan> having issues compiling hybrid gcc on 64bit freebsd 9[03:45:07] <krazeivan> that is it wont[03:45:09] <krazeivan> :P[03:45:20] <augiedoggie> it's a known issue[03:45:22] <krazeivan> same issue as though you are using a 64bit linux[03:45:28] <krazeivan> but no linux32[03:45:39] <krazeivan> obviously[03:45:45] <krazeivan> so gcc4 only[03:46:14] <augiedoggie> I did once hack around it, but it's ugly[03:46:29] <krazeivan> eek[03:49:14] <CIA-63> mmadia-github.separate-build-environment: mmadia-github * 37dfa8bbb433c915e0e71491515b6eb0a5da5d64 :[03:49:14] <CIA-63> Add posix_target to the included header directories. [3 commits][03:49:14] <CIA-63> This allows target_Errors.h to locate target_limits.h[03:50:40] *** jayrulez has joined #haiku[04:08:24] *** krazeivan has quit IRC[04:12:34] *** JonathanThompson has joined #haiku[04:21:34] *** MatthewH12` has joined #haiku[04:22:37] *** MatthewH12 has quit IRC[04:33:28] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[04:33:28] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[04:36:39] <jstressman> http://www.loopinsight.com/2012/08/02/microsoft-ditches-metro-now-using-windows-8-style-ui/[04:36:40] <jstressman> oops ;)[04:46:12] <JonathanThompson> I wonder how solid of a case the other Metro named users have :P[04:50:53] <jessicah> :o[04:51:42] *** orealis has joined #haiku[04:52:21] *** GeekShadow has quit IRC[04:52:37] *** GeekShadow has joined #haiku[04:53:13] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[04:58:01] *** _0x0dev has joined #haiku[04:58:24] *** leavengood has joined #haiku[05:04:42] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #638 of x86-FreeBSD-host is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://mmadia.dyndns.org:8010/builders/x86-FreeBSD-host/builds/638[05:16:59] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[05:21:24] *** mmadia has quit IRC[05:26:36] <CIA-63> haiku.master: leavengood * hrev44458 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=16e4281 : Remove the no longer needed hack from WebPositive. [2 commits][05:34:39] *** _0x0dev has quit IRC[05:42:09] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[05:47:19] *** MatthewH12` has quit IRC[05:58:12] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[06:02:14] *** stpere has quit IRC[06:11:07] *** nsuperbus has joined #haiku[06:12:28] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[06:13:19] *** kitrisah has joined #haiku[06:13:27] <kitrisah> hello[06:13:45] * dreamed waves[06:14:33] <kitrisah> I see there's more people here than in dev. Then again-- naturally.[06:15:40] <kitrisah> I haven't been here in over a month. But I still follow the mailing list.[06:16:11] <jessicah> what's in #haiku-dev?[06:16:29] <leavengood> shhh[06:16:31] <leavengood> secrets[06:16:40] <kitrisah> Which reminds me, can someone explain to me why there is an argument over eliminating About boxes?[06:16:48] <kitrisah> What's the reasoning behind that?[06:16:50] <jessicah> so is this the more social haiku channel?[06:16:55] <kitrisah> hello leavengood[06:17:00] <leavengood> hey[06:17:09] <augiedoggie> this is the one for regular discussion, the other is unlisted for a reason[06:17:16] <jessicah> about boxes theoretically have the same information as the system about box[06:17:39] <jessicah> so i guess it's about de-duplication[06:17:41] <kitrisah> oh. I didn't know 'twas 'sposed to be hidden[06:17:43] <leavengood> kitrisah: I'm not fully convinced, but the reasoning is that most about boxes just list people who have worked on an app, which can get quite long, and the developers are already in the main Haiku About box[06:18:07] <jessicah> personally, i think about boxes should stay; and that apps should be able to be updated independently of releases[06:18:11] <leavengood> so they are fairly redundant on included apps[06:18:23] <leavengood> well I kind of fall in that camp too[06:18:34] <jessicah> esp since you have stuff like web+ in there. does haiku really want to be like windows with a non-updating web browser?[06:18:45] <kitrisah> leavengood: jessicah: That reasoning will only work in the short term. In the medium/long term, there will inevitably be people specializing only in certain apps.[06:18:59] <kitrisah> ...even if they're bundled with the main haiku os.[06:19:08] <leavengood> yeah I don't care what anyone says, Web+ would get its own updates outside of Haiku if I have anything to say about it[06:19:33] <leavengood> well not outside of Haiku, just not tied to OS updates[06:19:43] <jessicah> personally, you shouldn't need to wait for a full system upgrade[06:20:00] <CIA-63> haiku.master: leavengood * hrev44459 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=477a6b7 :[06:20:00] <CIA-63> What if Magnify displayed a hex color instead of a useless index?[06:20:00] <CIA-63> Well now it does.[06:20:00] <CIA-63> The code needs much more love, but I fixed the coding violations in this code I[06:20:00] <CIA-63> touched.[06:20:20] <leavengood> That annoyed me, hence the cheeky comment ;)[06:20:52] <jessicah> index? into what?[06:21:14] <leavengood> a cmap8 color space[06:21:38] <kitrisah> leavengood: for instance, John Scipione has been very invested in the calculator. It's fair that there is a part of the application showcasing that he is an especially big contributor recently.[06:21:42] <leavengood> http://www.haiku-os.org/legacy-docs/bebook/BScreen.html[06:21:45] <leavengood> see IndexForColor[06:21:54] <leavengood> pretty much useless on modern machines[06:22:05] <leavengood> yeah[06:22:17] <leavengood> there is definite ownership to some extent[06:22:27] <leavengood> I sort of own ShowImage and Web+ (at the moment)[06:22:51] <leavengood> well the tickets are assigned to me and no one else really seems to work on them ;)[06:23:13] <jessicah> :p[06:23:21] <leavengood> though I'm being more "contributory" lately than I have been for a while[06:23:29] <jessicah> i tried to grok the web+ tree[06:23:38] <jessicah> but i haven't yet figured out how anything connects together[06:24:11] <jessicah> it's just a hierarchial mess of source code that doesn't seem to glue together coherently to me :p[06:25:00] <leavengood> haha[06:25:17] <leavengood> wait until you look at WebKit[06:25:26] <leavengood> Web+ is fairly well organized[06:25:38] <jessicah> a lil primer on how the source is organised, and how bits and pieces glue together[06:25:39] <kitrisah> Ryan, I believe that a significant part of open source efforts; one of the main paybacks, is not money, we know that. But a part of it is to show some hubris, to "gloat" over accomplishments. I believe About boxes are important part of that.[06:25:49] <leavengood> the tab stuff is in its down directory, and autocompletion[06:25:54] <jessicah> esp stuff like adding platform specific stuff in, that would go a long way[06:26:13] <leavengood> kitrisah: yeah that is a good point[06:26:33] <leavengood> like I said I'm not totally for the about box removal, but some of the other devs are pretty set on it[06:26:45] <jessicah> also, beos about boxes always had a bit of unique developer flair put into them[06:26:50] <jessicah> they were quirky and fun[06:27:20] <leavengood> jessicah: anything realted to the browser (the browser window, the tabs, download window) is pretty much in the webpositive source in the Haiku tree[06:27:39] <leavengood> all the hardcore HTML stuff in is WebKit, which for now our version is here:[06:27:45] <kitrisah> leavengood: Then again, I cannot use this argument with Axel. OF ALL PEOPLE. :P[06:28:05] <leavengood> https://github.com/aldeck/haiku-webkit[06:28:47] <jessicah> i was kind of curious as to how to add video support :)[06:29:05] <jessicah> but haven't yet figured out how that works[06:29:17] <leavengood> me neither[06:29:20] <leavengood> :)[06:29:24] <kitrisah> jessicah: I am very aware of the flair put on About boxes. Heck, back in the day, it was even adviced to put some "personality" into the thing.[06:29:40] <jessicah> yup, that's what i meant :)[06:29:49] <leavengood> it is a too pronged complicated issue, in that you need to learn the Haiku Media Kit and how to integrate it with WebKit[06:30:16] <jessicah> one of the things i loved about beos, was how it had... uh, culture, i guess you could say[06:30:23] <kitrisah> jessicah: though personally, I'd prefer that they'd be normal ones, like everywhere else.[06:30:59] <jessicah> leavengood: the Be APIs are usually fairly well documented and easy to use[06:31:18] <jessicah> i've written stuff for the beos eons ago before[06:31:42] <jessicah> i just need to figure out how you plug stuff into webkit[06:31:48] <leavengood> yeah[06:32:04] <jessicah> obviously it requires some sort of sub-classing[06:32:04] <kitrisah> jessicah: did you put out any app out there?[06:32:30] <jessicah> nope[06:35:18] <kitrisah> leavengood: I'm reading that there has been a previous discussion of About boxes, before this one. How long ago was that? I'd like to know if there is any other reasoning to get rid of them, besides "it's because it's the same people from About Haiku".[06:36:36] <dreamed> almost hometime[06:36:42] <dreamed> everyone having a good day, I hope?[06:37:10] <kitrisah> Is it because of the bulk? If that is so, notice how other projects do it: for instance, KDE apps have About boxes with 3 tabs: one for information of release/license/description, one for authors, and another one for giving out thanks to particular people[06:37:26] <kitrisah> dreamed: hometime?[06:37:46] <dreamed> I'm at work[06:37:49] <dreamed> it's nearing five o'clock[06:38:03] <kitrisah> ohh[06:38:03] <dreamed> kitrisah: that approach looks cluttered though[06:38:11] <dreamed> compare an apple about box ;)[06:38:13] <dreamed> though to be fair[06:38:19] <dreamed> you can get the other view after you get the initial clean one[06:38:24] <dreamed> since 10.8[06:38:34] <leavengood> kitrisah: http://www.freelists.org/post/haiku-development/Removing-About-dialogs-altogether[06:38:40] <leavengood> took me a second to find it[06:38:45] <kitrisah> dreamed: fair enough. Macs have great About boxes. But they still have 'em.[06:39:05] <kitrisah> leavengood: thanks! I will read up.[06:39:53] <leavengood> well that was a newer discussion, let me find the oldest one ;)[06:40:00] <kitrisah> leavengood: dreamed: I believe that getting credit for your work is in part what separates licences (open source, proprietary, restrictive, or permissive) from works in the public domain.[06:40:11] <dreamed> kitrisah: depends[06:40:29] <dreamed> oh, re: macs having great about boxes[06:40:36] <dreamed> I think credit is always a nice thing in software[06:40:44] <dreamed> I was annoyed when Apple stopped doing that[06:40:53] <dreamed> that said, I don't think the average person cares[06:40:56] <dreamed> or rather[06:40:58] <dreamed> don't expect they care[06:40:59] <kitrisah> there is gonna be a point where the main team will need to focus only on specific parts, or risk spreading itself too thin.[06:41:02] <dreamed> since I haven't asked anyone[06:41:16] <dreamed> "are you average? mmk, do you care about credit on about boxes for developers?" I can see the look on their face now...[06:42:45] <jessicah> yay, nearly hometime too[06:42:48] <jessicah> i doing okay[06:43:16] <jessicah> though annoyed our server seemed to have deleted its pxe configuration/image[06:43:21] * dreamed winces[06:43:37] <jessicah> have to build it again =/[06:44:02] <kitrisah> dreamed: this is not necessarily only for the benefit of the average person. Some reasons in favor of about boxes: 1) version information 2) years of release (and/or copyright) like 2001-2009, that way you know how recent it is. 3) Credit to author (and maintainer) 4) Way to contact the author directly, or website for app, in case it is not included with system. 5) standardization, it would be odd to have about boxes on some apps and not on others. Not every[06:44:03] <kitrisah> one know if an app is third party[06:45:03] <dreamed> I guess it depends on how you treat the apps - if they're part of the system (which is how apple treats them), or separate[06:45:17] <leavengood> I don't think we are arguing about removing all about boxes in applications written for Haiku, just the ones included in the system[06:45:20] <dreamed> it also means that if your system apps have that info, either they need to draw it from the same place, or it's so many things to update[06:45:23] <kitrisah> *Not every one know[s] if an app is third party software[06:45:36] <dreamed> there's no good reason for third party apps not to have it[06:45:49] <dreamed> but there's compelling reasons to combine all that info into one set of credits for the os + bundled apps[06:45:57] <dreamed> there're even[06:46:26] <kitrisah> dreamed: every single Mac app has an about box, it does not matter if it is part of the system or third party. Heck, they are the most prominent thing in every app. About boxes in macs are the first item of the first app menu.[06:47:05] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #714 of powerpc-any-host is complete: Failure [failed [ppc] haiku-image [ppc] @nightly-raw] Build details are at http://mmadia.dyndns.org:8010/builders/powerpc-any-host/builds/714 blamelist: Ryan Leavengood <leavengood at gmail dot com>[06:47:17] <leavengood> hmmm[06:47:31] <leavengood> PPC, wth[06:47:56] <dreamed> there is[06:47:59] <dreamed> but it has no credit in it[06:48:06] <dreamed> i.e. Mail in Snow Leopard;[06:48:07] <dreamed> Mail[06:48:12] <dreamed> Version 4.5 (1084)[06:48:21] <dreamed> Copyright (c) 1995-2011 Apple Inc.,[06:48:24] <dreamed> All Rights Reserved[06:48:27] <dreamed> that's it[06:48:44] <kitrisah> Those 4 lines can be very important.[06:49:46] <dreamed> I agree that's important[06:49:48] <kitrisah> Version number and build number can vary from system to system, specially once package manager is up and working. A computer may have one of their apps more up to date than others.[06:49:52] <dreamed> I just wouldn't include developer credit there[06:50:12] <kitrisah> Copyright information is also important (as is years of development).[06:50:20] <leavengood> yeah I think we can convince the about box haters about that[06:50:42] <leavengood> and the build failure was from haiku-files.org being down :/[06:50:47] <dreamed> you get nice clean about boxes that way, with just the bare bone useful info[06:50:55] <kitrisah> In the case of Haiku, a blurb about license could be indicated, or at least a clickable link. Ditto for authors, maintainers, or people who helped.[06:50:58] <dreamed> which is easy to add, and doesn't require a lot of maintenance[06:51:15] <dreamed> well[06:51:26] <dreamed> I'd argue authors and maintainers should all be rolled into a single place, with credit for each app[06:51:36] <dreamed> say Apple Menu > About this Mac > More Info[06:51:44] <dreamed> as a comparable example (though it doesn't have credit)[06:53:05] <kitrisah> dreamed: I respectfully disagree, in regards to having all credits in one place. I think it would be cleaner/nicer to have each app their own people. If you put them only in one place, and only there, the list will end up being longer than the credits in Titanic or Dark Knight series.[06:53:14] <kitrisah> ...15 pages long...[06:53:47] <kitrisah> dreamed: I think getting credit is especially important in open source projects.[06:54:14] <kitrisah> More so than traditional systems like Windows or Mac.[06:57:08] <dreamed> I agree[06:57:13] <dreamed> I just think it should be in one place[07:00:03] <kitrisah> One other reason in favor of having credits (and contact information) accessible from the about box: the user will find it easier to get in touch with the particular person. I think it is better that users of a particular app are encouraged to get in touch with the author himself/herself. I think that is better than to tell the user to go to a forum or a general mailing list.[07:00:46] <dreamed> do you want to encourage that over a ticket?[07:00:51] <dreamed> especially if it's bundled with the os[07:02:49] <kitrisah> I mentioned the case of DeskCalc earlier. John Scipione has been putting special effort into that lately. I believe that having a way to get a message to him directly can help solve things quicker.[07:03:00] <kitrisah> Why does it have to be either/or, in terms of ticket?[07:03:33] <kitrisah> A ticket may be activated from the same mechanism, *but* assigned to him specifically.[07:05:33] <kitrisah> I am aware that one of the strengths of the Haiku project so far is the integration from the ground up. I just think that at some point, for the project to grow in a sustainable way, individual people will need to claim a stake of their own.[07:08:35] <kitrisah> Let me see if I get this straight: *Reasons for getting rid of the About Box* (so far)...[07:08:37] <kitrisah> 1) The authors of bundled apps are the same as the authors listed in "About Haiku"[07:09:03] <kitrisah> 2) About boxes full of credits are messy and ugly and bulky[07:09:17] <kitrisah> 3) ...[07:09:22] <kitrisah> ?[07:10:00] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #562 of x86-Linux64-host is complete: Failure [failed [x86gcc4]] Build details are at http://mmadia.dyndns.org:8010/builders/x86-Linux64-host/builds/562 blamelist: Ryan Leavengood <leavengood at gmail dot com>[07:14:46] <kitrisah> ...[07:15:18] *** JonathanThompson has joined #haiku[07:16:26] <dreamed> I don't like people contacting me directly rather than using a ticket, if there's a ticket system in place[07:16:29] <dreamed> because I rely on it[07:16:38] <dreamed> if I'm not using a ticket system, that's cool[07:16:40] <dreamed> anyway, hometime[07:16:57] <kitrisah> have a nice trip homeward[07:17:10] <dreamed> the main reason to avoid credits in all about boxes is having to change information in multiple places[07:17:15] <dreamed> hence suggesting a single location[07:17:16] <dreamed> anyway[07:17:17] * dreamed waves[07:17:36] <kitrisah> I would think that could be somehow automated.[07:52:31] <dreamed> re[07:52:36] <dreamed> you would think that[07:52:41] <dreamed> but it isn't always[07:52:48] <dreamed> not sure if it is, or isn't, in this case[07:53:22] *** Tekn0z has joined #haiku[07:53:41] <augiedoggie> Tekn0z! :P[07:53:51] <Tekn0z> Hi augiedoggie![07:54:08] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[07:58:08] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #563 of x86-Linux64-host is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://mmadia.dyndns.org:8010/builders/x86-Linux64-host/builds/563[08:01:37] <CIA-63> haiku.master: leavengood * hrev44460 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=e19488b :[08:01:37] <CIA-63> Make Deskbar respect the menu text color settings. [2 commits][08:01:37] <CIA-63> Hard-coding black is bad, mmmkay?[08:01:38] <CIA-63> This makes Deskbar usable on dark background with light text color schemes.[08:02:18] <dreamed> that's a nice fix[08:03:09] <leavengood> yeah[08:03:23] <leavengood> I'm trying to fix that sort of stuff[08:03:40] <dreamed> I liked your comment a lot[08:03:41] <dreamed> heh[08:04:27] <leavengood> yeah I could just hear Mr MAckey saying that[08:04:40] <dreamed> yep[08:06:08] <leavengood> alright, I need to go to bed[08:06:12] <leavengood> see you folks later[08:07:38] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[08:08:49] *** leavengood has quit IRC[08:09:12] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[08:09:28] <kitrisah> bye[08:19:09] *** johnny_b has joined #haiku[08:20:12] *** kitrisah has quit IRC[08:26:58] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #715 of powerpc-any-host is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://mmadia.dyndns.org:8010/builders/powerpc-any-host/builds/715[08:28:09] <Sikosis> so adding deskbar replicant support to an app ... i take it that's not too difficult[08:28:39] <augiedoggie> not too bad[08:29:06] <augiedoggie> depends on the app though[08:29:37] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[08:32:21] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[08:32:21] *** JsobCloud_ is now known as JsobCloud[08:36:33] <Sikosis> so if i was writing it from scratch I take its not that hard ... i was going to look at how the network pref app did it[08:36:43] <Sikosis> i take it that'd be a good example[08:37:11] <augiedoggie> I don't recall how complex that one is[08:37:24] *** Disreali has quit IRC[08:38:02] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[08:39:08] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[08:39:42] *** adev has joined #haiku[08:42:38] <Sikosis> ah good ... something for me to play with this w/e[08:52:08] <CIA-63> HaikuPorts: phoudoin * r1990 /haikuports/trunk/app-text/gpp/ (gpp-2.4.bep licenses/ licenses/GPP) http://ports.haiku-files.org/changeset/1990 : Fix GPP license[08:54:50] *** trn has quit IRC[09:00:53] *** trn has joined #haiku[09:06:23] *** tqh has joined #haiku[09:07:14] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[09:09:22] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[09:10:04] *** Negr0_VoP2P_LMin has joined #haiku[09:11:27] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[09:15:12] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[09:36:45] *** P4R4N01D has joined #haiku[09:37:13] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[09:39:34] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[10:00:02] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[10:02:55] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[10:02:55] *** JsobCloud_ is now known as JsobCloud[10:09:13] *** OmniMancer1 has joined #haiku[10:09:26] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[10:11:31] *** tqh has quit IRC[10:33:50] *** TimKack has joined #haiku[10:34:10] <CIA-63> haiku.master: jscipione * hrev44461 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=9f5d4ec :[10:34:11] <CIA-63> Style fixes, update copyright, add myself as author.[10:34:11] <CIA-63> No functional change.[10:35:09] *** OmniMancer1 has quit IRC[10:39:28] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.[10:39:35] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[10:45:07] *** negusnyul has joined #haiku[10:56:14] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[10:56:41] *** TimKack has quit IRC[10:56:59] *** TimKack has joined #haiku[10:57:04] <jstressman> morning brobostigon[10:58:41] *** P4R4N01D has quit IRC[11:00:40] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[11:03:48] <brobostigon> morning jstressman[11:05:09] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[11:09:18] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[11:13:22] <arfonzo> hey all[11:13:27] <netstar> HI[11:14:39] <arfonzo> how's everyone today[11:16:46] *** negusnyul has quit IRC[11:16:48] *** negusnyul_ has joined #haiku[11:19:32] <netstar> asleep by the looks of things :)[11:21:23] *** Tekn0z has left #haiku[11:22:47] <arfonzo> netstar: aye... well, I'm working here, but I guess that qualifies as a sleep-like state :) :([11:22:52] <netstar> :)[11:22:58] <netstar> you a scotsman?[11:23:05] <brobostigon> hi arfonzo and netstar[11:23:19] <netstar> Morning brobostigon[11:23:28] <brobostigon> arfonzo: on the mend, my eczems is improving, so good, :). and you?[11:23:49] <brobostigon> eczwma*[11:23:54] <brobostigon> eczema*[11:28:44] <jstressman> that is certainly a non-spelling-friendly word.[11:29:29] <jstressman> I think arfonzo is a brit.[11:29:37] <jstressman> well...[11:29:52] <jstressman> maybe he just said UK?[11:29:57] <jstressman> and Scotland is part of the UK...[11:30:02] <arfonzo> I live in London UK, but I'm not a Brit. 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[6 commits][16:49:36] <CIA-63> xyzzy-github.x86_64: xyzzy-github * a9ee7a51329c8a6c6e205e91907c2a753bb62495 :[16:49:36] <CIA-63> Added new BIOS module for calling BIOS interrupts.[16:49:37] <CIA-63> This module provides an interface for drivers to use to perform calls[16:49:37] <CIA-63> to the BIOS (only really for use by graphics drivers which need to use[16:49:37] <CIA-63> the VESA BIOS). It uses the x86emu library from X.org which emulates[16:49:37] <CIA-63> a real mode x86 CPU. This is necessary for x86_64 as virtual 8086 mode[16:49:38] <CIA-63> no longer exists there.[16:50:38] *** _marc` has quit IRC[17:01:51] *** _scanty is now known as scanty[17:06:40] *** happy4crazy has joined #haiku[17:09:20] *** idefix_gromit has joined #haiku[17:11:59] *** Negr0_VoP2P_LMin has quit IRC[17:13:55] *** happy4crazy has quit IRC[17:19:52] *** idefix_gromit has left #haiku[17:24:20] <CIA-63> haiku.master: jscipione * hrev44463 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=593808d : (log message trimmed)[17:24:20] <CIA-63> Return authors name's to DeskCalc headers.[17:24:20] <CIA-63> No functional change.[17:24:20] <CIA-63> * Surround email addresses in angle brackets.[17:24:20] <CIA-63> * Add myself to ExpressionParser.cpp and .h[17:24:20] <CIA-63> * Remove myself from ExpressionTextView.cpp and .h[17:24:21] <CIA-63> * Alphatetize authors by last name.[17:24:28] *** wuffi600 has joined #haiku[17:25:45] <arfonzo> hey friends, does anyone know where in the code I'd have to look to modify the WM so that windows "snap harder"?[17:33:08] *** happy4crazy has joined #haiku[17:40:04] *** Premislaus has joined #haiku[17:40:07] <Premislaus> hi[17:40:33] <Premislaus> Is it possible to compile FreeOrion in Haiku?[17:40:51] <Premislaus> http://www.freeorion.org/index.php/Main_Page[17:41:57] *** _marc` has joined #haiku[17:42:36] <Premislaus> http://www.freeorion.org/index.php/Compile[17:47:14] *** JonathanThompson has joined #haiku[17:49:16] <CIA-63> xyzzy-github.x86_64: xyzzy-github * 9f90e8a9649d7b63607e2d90f94717bed2b072b5 : Updated drivers to use BIOS module instead of vm86. 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I got more 3GB (32bit) in my computer.[17:53:29] <OmniMancer> I am not sure[17:53:42] <OmniMancer> at the moment haiku on x86 is 32 bit[17:53:56] <OmniMancer> so processes can only use 4GB of address space[17:54:29] <OmniMancer> but I think there is Physical Address Extensions support in the kernel so it might be able to use more than 4GB of physical ram[17:54:35] *** losch has quit IRC[17:55:57] *** happy4crazy has quit IRC[17:56:51] *** Luko has joined #haiku[17:57:06] <Luko> hi follks[17:57:37] *** jmelesky has joined #haiku[18:04:17] *** adev has quit IRC[18:04:36] *** Luko has quit IRC[18:07:12] *** TimKack has quit IRC[18:08:02] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[18:11:26] *** happy4crazy has joined #haiku[18:12:42] *** BitPuffin has joined #haiku[18:16:57] *** Premislaus has quit IRC[18:25:43] *** losch has joined #haiku[18:31:34] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[18:33:18] *** Luko has joined #haiku[18:35:01] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[18:36:24] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[18:42:04] *** JsobCloud_ has joined #haiku[18:44:26] *** kag_anil has joined #haiku[18:44:47] *** JsobCloud has quit IRC[18:44:47] *** JsobCloud_ is now known as JsobCloud[18:48:23] *** qptain_Nemo has joined #haiku[18:49:04] <CIA-63> haiku.master: xyzzy * hrev44464 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=e9e70c0 : Fixed compilation of remote_disk_server on OS X hosts.[18:49:07] <kag_anil> how to enable HAIKU_OPENSSL_ENABLED feature[18:49:08] *** qptain_Nemo has quit IRC[18:49:16] <CIA-63> xyzzy-github.x86_64: xyzzy-github * 9bfe064799922abfaa9e139b8d59ce0a01914715 : GCC 2 compilation fix for x86emu. [2 commits][18:49:49] *** Ingenu has joined #haiku[18:49:49] *** qptain_Nemo has joined #haiku[18:50:31] <kag_anil> can any one tell how to enable the openssl feature for compiling mail applications[18:52:50] <kag_anil> or can anyone tell me if there is any feature related to setting up any variable like $HAIKU_OPENSSL_ENABLED at compile time in jam??[18:59:56] <CIA-63> haiku.master: kallisti5 * hrev44465 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=33d23e8 :[18:59:56] <CIA-63> DriveSetup: Show a quick warning when formatting raw disk [4 commits][18:59:56] <CIA-63> * Another translation candidate :)[19:01:51] <humdinger> kag_anil: from haiku/build/jam/OptionalBuildFeatures: "[19:01:51] <humdinger> # Automatically enable the SSL feature, when the optional OpenSSL optional[19:01:52] <humdinger> # package is enabled.[19:02:19] <humdinger> it looks like that's automatic if you have the OpenSSL optional packae installed.[19:02:25] <kag_anil> or can it be done via invoking jam with -s option[19:03:16] <humdinger> no idea...[19:11:03] <kag_anil> humdinger: if openssl library is not available in the source code[19:11:13] <kag_anil> then what can be done[19:12:02] <kag_anil> i'm will i be i need to download the openssl library or is there some pre defined option available??[19:14:57] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #627 of x86-debug-any-host is complete: Failure [failed [x86gcc4]-debug] Build details are at http://mmadia.dyndns.org:8010/builders/x86-debug-any-host/builds/627 blamelist: John Scipione <jscipione at gmail dot com>[19:22:29] <kag_anil> can anyone tell me how to install openssl or 1st of all how to know if it's there on the system[19:25:13] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[19:27:28] *** rimio has quit IRC[19:28:11] <mmadia> kag_anil -- in Terminal, run installoptionalpackage -l[19:28:47] *** negusnyul has joined #haiku[19:28:51] <mmadia> or perform a file query for 'libssl.so' on the boot drive.[19:29:21] <kag_anil> this file is there[19:29:40] <kag_anil> in /boot/common/libs/[19:30:20] <mmadia> then it's installed.[19:30:31] <kag_anil> yup it's installed ..[19:30:49] <kag_anil> but how do i let Jam know about it's existence[19:31:40] <mmadia> what are you trying to do?[19:32:09] <mmadia> build something within Haiku's source tree, use the jamfile-engine for something independant?[19:32:32] <kag_anil> jam -s HAIKU_OPENSSL_ENABLED=y imap_tester within source tree[19:33:00] <kag_anil> it gives me error about the openssl/ssl.h file missing[19:33:51] <mmadia> ah, you may need to edit your UserBuildConfig[19:34:22] <kag_anil> but the system has also downloaded a version of openssl in it's downloads folder via wget[19:34:29] <mmadia> or try jam -q -sHAIKU_BUILD_FEATURE_SSL=1 imap_tester[19:38:15] <kag_anil> thanks mmadia sir, it seems to be working.. as it is downloading the openssl package right now...[19:42:38] *** krazeivan has joined #haiku[19:45:13] *** Diver has left #haiku[19:47:08] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[19:47:40] *** Diver 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#haiku[22:00:39] *** PasNox_ has joined #haiku[22:00:45] *** PasNox has quit IRC[22:04:57] *** happy4crazy has quit IRC[22:05:25] *** luroh has joined #haiku[22:08:41] *** happy4crazy has joined #haiku[22:09:22] *** volci has joined #haiku[22:12:44] *** losch has left #haiku[22:23:39] *** keks___ has joined #haiku[22:24:07] *** keks___ has quit IRC[22:36:39] *** dcase has quit IRC[22:41:05] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[22:43:49] *** luko has joined #haiku[22:49:36] *** echelog has joined #haiku[22:54:27] *** johnny_b has quit IRC[23:14:46] <Anarchos> how to know if i compiled a hybrid or a gcc2-only haiku version ?[23:15:27] <mmadia> before or after you boot that image?[23:16:03] *** bbjimmy-at-home has joined #haiku[23:16:51] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[23:17:12] <Anarchos> after[23:17:19] <mmadia> AboutSystem.[23:17:41] <mmadia> everything except a gcc2hybrid will mention what type of system it is.[23:17:52] <Anarchos> mmadia it says Walter (revision hrev44456-dirty)[23:18:14] <mmadia> yep a gcc2hybrid.[23:18:25] <Anarchos> mmadia but setgcc doesn't answer[23:19:05] <mmadia> if you want confirmation for yourself, look at /system/lib there will be a gcc4 subfolder in it.[23:19:35] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[23:19:37] *** bbjimmy-at-home is now known as bbjimmy[23:19:55] <Anarchos> mmadia yes there is, but "which setgcc" gives no answer[23:20:40] <mmadia> did you install any Development optional packages?[23:20:41] <Anarchos> i compiled with "jam haiku-anyboot.image "[23:20:50] <mmadia> ah. that's why.[23:21:22] <Anarchos> mmadia i shouldn't ?[23:21:40] <mmadia> eh.[23:21:56] <mmadia> http://www.haiku-os.org/guides/building/userbuildconfig will be useful to you.[23:22:21] <Anarchos> mmadia did i mention that W+ refuses to work now ? :)[23:22:22] <mmadia> e.g., you should edit your UserBuildConfig and make your own build profile.[23:22:51] <mmadia> i doubt that you have /boot/common/lib/libwebkit.so and friends.[23:23:04] <Anarchos> the haiku-anyboot.image target, is it deprecated ?[23:23:41] *** bbjimmy-at-home has joined #haiku[23:23:44] <mmadia> no. i must've overlooked the case for that (re: W+). can you file a ticket for that and assign it to me?[23:23:57] <Anarchos> mmadia i did installoptionalpackage -a webpositive, but it crahsshes while downloadding an archive[23:23:59] <Disreali> Anarchos: jam @alpha-anyboot would be a better target. it includes more stuff[23:24:18] <mmadia> Anarchos -- yeah, can you file a ticket for that too? :)[23:24:30] <Anarchos> Disreali thanks i will try it. And subpixel lcd lissage put my cursor before the last letter....[23:25:00] <Anarchos> mmadia don't forget my revision is href444456-dirty[23:25:10] <Anarchos> which means i did dirty things to socket.h :)[23:25:33] <mmadia> i understand. you still pointed out some issues that i overlooked when tweaking the webkit/webpositive build rules.[23:25:51] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[23:25:55] <Anarchos> mmadia i did ? Wow i don't remember :)[23:26:26] <mmadia> that installoptionalpackage doesn't support W+ anymore.[23:26:29] <Anarchos> mmadia ok so i will recompile an alpha , reinstall, and after that i will be able to file tickets for you :)[23:26:52] <mmadia> thanks. just the one about installoptionalpackage will suffice.[23:26:54] <mrsun> hell yeah, 10km managed 10km of jogging today! =) second wind ftw =)[23:27:06] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[23:27:07] *** bbjimmy-at-home is now known as bbjimmy[23:27:42] <Anarchos> mmadia may i paste my error ihere ?[23:28:27] <mmadia> if it's multiple lines use http://pastebin.com or another pastebin-like service.[23:29:03] <Anarchos> Extracting cert-2012-07-04.zip ... <snip> Unhandled archive extension in InstallOptionalHaikuImagePackage()[23:30:14] <Anarchos> Disreali the @target syntax, is it related to UserBuildConfig ?[23:31:29] <Disreali> there are already several @<target> defined by the build system[23:31:51] <Disreali> alpha is already defined, so you can just use that[23:33:08] <mmadia> odd.[23:33:26] <Disreali> I use the UserBuildConfig to add stuff that is not already defined, like adding Bezilla, stickit, and Joysticks to the image[23:33:56] <Disreali> mmadia: ??[23:34:32] *** bbjimmy-at-home has joined #haiku[23:34:41] <CIA-63> HaikuPorts: cian * r1991 /haikuports/trunk/sys-devel/gettext/ (gettext-0.18.1.1-dev.bep patches/gettext-0.18.1.1-dev.patch) http://ports.haiku-files.org/changeset/1991 :[23:34:41] <CIA-63> gettext-dev .bep which works on current Haiku nightlies. Significantly[23:34:41] <CIA-63> simpler than the previous attempt from Alpha 3, passes as many tests as[23:34:41] <CIA-63> the runtime and appears functional when used by other ports that depend on it.[23:35:18] *** nsuperbus has quit IRC[23:35:49] <Cian> VT-x rocks for getting this like that done. Would have had to wipe a partition to install the clean image I needed for testing otherwise...[23:35:58] <Disreali> hmm... what is in gettext-dev that is not in the regular port? I'll have to google that[23:36:09] <Cian> Disreali all the tools[23:36:11] <mmadia> i don's see why IOP would fail to extract that zip.[23:36:31] <Cian> gettext-runtime only contains the libraries, fine to run something but not to build it[23:36:56] <Cian> "gettext" in haikuports is gettext-runtime[23:37:11] <Disreali> mmadia: I've seen it do that before. re-running iop a 2nd time would usually work[23:37:28] <Disreali> sometimes a reboot was needed[23:37:48] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[23:37:49] *** bbjimmy-at-home is now known as bbjimmy[23:38:08] <Disreali> iirc it was a network issue. packages were not d/l-ed properly[23:38:16] <Disreali> Cian: thanks for the info[23:38:46] <Cian> we need to sort that out properly when there's dependency resolution etc but for now it works fine[23:53:39] *** qptain_Nemo has quit IRC[23:57:37] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[23:57:39] *** bbjimmy-at-home has joined #haiku