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[02:42:44] <HaikuUser> hello, anybody there
[02:43:31] <HaikuUser> using vision with haiku r1alpha3 as live cd
[02:44:45] <HaikuUser> how difficult is it to install haiku to a hard disk
[02:46:05] <HaikuUser> any activity here at all
[02:46:43] <HaikuUser> seems like lots of users signed on but little or no chat
[02:47:47] <HaikuUser> for what do people use haiku
[02:48:02] <HaikuUser> why sue haiku
[02:48:28] <HaikuUser> why use haiku (correction)
[02:49:04] <HaikuUser> maybe no one sees me here
[02:49:57] <HaikuUser> on cb radio in us there is a way to verify reception of transmission
[02:50:21] <HaikuUser> any way to verity that messages are seen by others
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[02:51:02] <helf2> hi...
[02:51:06] <helf2> too late..
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[03:57:10] <mayonek> hello OmniMancer
[04:02:39] <OmniMancer> hi
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[04:09:22] <mayonek> how's the calculator coming along?
[04:09:53] <Skipp_OSX> mayonek: well, I am done with what I was doing, now I am going a little bit over the deep-end
[04:10:49] <Skipp_OSX> mayonek: I got scientific mode working great including the key combinations and resizing and everything
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[04:12:43] <Skipp_OSX> mayonek: so here is where I went over the deep end. I thought to myself, now that I have this great scientific mode with all these extra keys and you can switch from basic mode to scientific, what if I made basic mode look like the keypad on your keyboard and then put all the extra stuff in the scientific mode
[04:13:58] <Skipp_OSX> Its an idea, I am not sure how well it will work out yet.
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[04:16:20] <Skipp_OSX> If you look at this screenshot: http://imagebin.org/170228 followed by this one: http://imagebin.org/169560 it shows the basics of what it looks like right now.
[04:16:33] <mayonek> Skipp_OSX: it sounds that you are talking about layout now
[04:18:04] <Skipp_OSX> mayonek: yeah, I was thinking of altering "normal mode" now called just "basic" to look like a keyboard keypad
[04:19:53] <Skipp_OSX> mayonek: so it would resemble this in basic mode: http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/9639/68595rwmswireddesktop50cc9.jpg
[04:20:54] <mayonek> Skipp_OSX so, do you mean separating one area from the other, or actually changing the aesthetics of the basic buttons?
[04:21:42] <Skipp_OSX> mayonek: seperating one area from the other, not messing with the aesthetics of the buttons
[04:22:00] <Skipp_OSX> I am saying that the layout will look like that, not the look
[04:22:39] <Skipp_OSX> at least I am playing with the idea
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[04:30:50] <mayonek> Skipp_OSX: if you manage to come back closer to the surface again, there's a couple of things that could also be useful. One could be copy/paste. You don't even need to implement a menu. Just making shortcut keys work would be great.
[04:33:57] <Skipp_OSX> mayonek: odd... cut works, but copy and past don't
[04:36:55] <mayonek> Skipp_OSX: so you want to make the interface kinda like this? http://haikuware.com/components/com_remository_files/file_image_118/img_118_01.jpg
[04:38:31] <Skipp_OSX> mayonek: sort of, except you would just have the keypad in the bottom left at startup and then you'd have to select scientific mode to get the rest
[04:43:48] <Skipp_OSX> mayonek: my mistake, copy and paste work, there just just no visual indicator
[04:46:37] <mayonek> Skipp_OSX: no, my mistake. The thing is that it works different from Windows Calculator, in the sense that you cannot just ctrl+c. You have to manually select the text area with the calculations.
[04:46:55] <mayonek> In Windows, you don't do that
[04:48:20] <Skipp_OSX> mayonek: well, Deskcalc is a little bit different in its design than Windows Calculator. It uses a standard text area that you can type anything you want into
[04:48:37] <mayonek> In Linux, gcalc works either way. You can activate a copy without selecting, or you can manually select the text area (or is it number area?)
[04:49:59] <mayonek> Skipp_OSX: gcalc works that way too. I'm not convinced that it's any better to allow any input in that area, if the app cannot work with it.
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[04:50:21] <Doomtron> Hello
[04:50:27] <mayonek> lo
[04:51:43] <Skipp_OSX> mayonek: well, I could probably implement that feature pretty easily, if you don't have anything selected copy it all, if so, copy just your selection
[04:51:55] <Doomtron> I've 'booted' haiku nigthly (I think it's last release) and my keyboard dont work
[04:52:16] <Doomtron> There is some trick I've missed to do ?
[04:52:21] <Doomtron> Sorry my english
[04:52:52] <Skipp_OSX> Doomtron: well, there is no trick, perhaps the system doesn't recognize your USB ports
[04:53:24] <Doomtron> Skipp_OSX: so, i cant use haiku ?
[04:53:58] <Skipp_OSX> Doomtron: you could try holding down space during boot and selecting safe mode and see if that does it, otherwise I guess it doesn't work
[04:55:08] <Doomtron> Skipp_OSX: yeah, idid that cause, if dont do it, it dont show anything on my screen
[04:55:15] <mayonek> Skipp_OSX: the best one, in my opinion, the middle ground, is Apple's OSX's calculator. http://guides.macrumors.com/images/3/34/Calculator_OSX.jpg
[04:56:26] <mayonek> Doomtron: you can also try setting Haiku under a virtual machine software, like VMWare Player or VirtualBox
[04:56:27] <Skipp_OSX> Doomtron: I don't know what to tell you, I guess the keyboard isn't supported...
[04:57:16] <Doomtron> Oh man, how can a keyboard not to be supported ? :/
[04:58:43] <mayonek> Doomtron: hey, it's kinda hard to debug your troubles remotely..
[04:58:58] <Doomtron> mayonek: I know
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[04:59:53] <mayonek> Doomtron: the first troubleshooting step to try is what Skipp_OSX told you. Try rebooting, and see if you can go into "Safe Mode" (try pressing the space bar early in haiku splash screen before booting)
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[05:00:13] <Doomtron> mayonek: I already did that
[05:00:35] <mayonek> were you able to go into safe mode? or was the keyboard not recognized then either?
[05:00:49] <Doomtron> mayonek: actually, haiku only 'shows up' if boot in safe-mode
[05:01:19] <mayonek> Doomtron: so I guess you _were_ able to use the keyboard, if only to activate safe mode
[05:01:29] <Doomtron> no
[05:01:35] <Doomtron> I cant use keyboard in safe-mode
[05:02:53] <mayonek> ok. but how did you manage to get into safe mode? did it go into safe mode automatically? Or did you manually select your way into safe mode, using the keyboard initially?
[05:03:10] <Doomtron> yes
[05:03:18] <mayonek> yes what?!?
[05:03:33] <Doomtron> mayonek: after select to boot from pen drive I press space bar
[05:03:36] <Doomtron> spacebar*
[05:04:19] <Doomtron> and I get into a menu, than a selected safe-mode and video safe-mode, or something like that
[05:04:34] <mayonek> Doomtron: in other words, at some point in getting into Haiku, the keyboard *does* work
[05:04:57] <Doomtron> Yes
[05:05:16] <mayonek> what about the mouse?
[05:05:31] <Doomtron> touchpad works fine
[05:05:37] <Doomtron> its a netbook
[05:06:58] <mayonek> you had not mentioned that
[05:07:31] <Doomtron> sorry
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[05:09:45] <mayonek> what netbook do you have?
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[05:10:24] <Doomtron> mayonek: it's brazilian, a itautec infoway w7020
[05:11:07] <mayonek> see if you find any useful information here http://haikuware.com/hardware-database/
[05:12:29] <Doomtron> ok
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[05:16:30] <mayonek> bbl
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[05:17:28] <Doomtron> :/
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[06:07:03] <Doomtron> Hello
[06:09:05] <Doomtron> I did boot haiku again, and now I enabled all debug options and for my surprise my keyboard did work until I get into the graphical mode
[06:11:19] <Doomtron> I know it because I've to press keys to roll down the debugs messges
[06:12:59] <Doomtron> 94 peoples and no one to help me :/
[06:13:57] <AlienSoldier> i just don't know what is the problem
[06:14:21] <AlienSoldier> you could try the alpha 3 to see if the same happen, if yes fill a ticket
[06:15:00] <AlienSoldier> BeOS and Haiku is not about fiddling with settings, it's about getting it right
[06:15:52] <AlienSoldier> *what is the solution
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[06:16:50] <Doomtron> AlienSoldier: well, my keyboard dont work in graphical mode
[06:17:07] <Doomtron> AlienSoldier: I can boot just in safe-mode
[06:17:38] <Doomtron> AlienSoldier: there's alreay a ticket very simillar (is that right) with my issue
[06:17:53] <Doomtron> https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/6313
[06:17:54] <AlienSoldier> i don't know
[06:18:03] <Doomtron> already*
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[06:20:33] <AlienSoldier> Doomtron it might be related indeed
[06:24:04] <Doomtron> well, I've to go now
[06:24:15] <Doomtron> bb
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[06:59:40] <Chat1227> hi
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[10:12:35] <Xeon4D> hey duggan
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[10:48:26] <Duggan> hey  Xeon4D
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[11:09:17] <Teknomancer> Morning
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[11:18:57] <Duggan> hey Teknomancer
[11:19:59] <Teknomancer> hi Duggan
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[11:23:14] <Duggan> hows it going?
[11:23:37] <Teknomancer> going good, and you?
[11:25:26] <Duggan> meh
[11:26:34] <Teknomancer> hm why?
[11:26:46] <Teknomancer> code not running as expected?
[11:28:48] <Duggan> no, not exactly
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[11:30:32] <dns53> apart from be bits, is there a good place to find applications?
[11:30:40] <Duggan> www.haikuware.com
[11:30:49] <dns53> thx
[11:30:55] <Duggan> np
[11:31:13] <Duggan> haikuware actually acquired bebits
[11:35:04] <Teknomancer> cool
[11:35:12] <Teknomancer> so bebits is not likely to get shutdown
[11:35:51] <Duggan> that's why they acquired it :)
[11:35:59] <Duggan> to make sure it doesn't
[11:36:34] <Duggan> not that it serves much purpose these days
[11:36:51] <Duggan> besides sentamental purposes :P
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[11:39:27] <Teknomancer> right
[11:39:56] <dns53> yeah i can remember using it around 14 years ago
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[11:56:05] <Duggan> wb... everybody but me
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[13:40:34] <Wizard> hi Duggan
[13:40:36] <Wizard> ;)
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[15:41:42] <timkoh> hello
[15:42:46] <timkoh> i just ported a visual novel game engine called onscripter-en and was wondering if anyone is running haiku atm that would like to test it with a demo game
[15:43:33] <timkoh> btw, why does irc have more people than beshare?
[15:44:48] <Teknomancer> good question
[15:45:01] <Teknomancer> probably because it's an old established and adopted standard
[15:45:06] <Teknomancer> that works on nearly every OS
[15:45:43] <timkoh> i see
[15:46:09] <timkoh> i just remember beshare used to be quite a large community, but now it's tiny..
[15:46:54] <timkoh> you on haiku?
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[15:47:38] <HaikuUser> i am Korean
[15:47:45] <Teknomancer> yes it was largeish you could say
[15:47:50] <Teknomancer> i miss those days :)
[15:47:56] <Teknomancer> timkoh: no i'm not on Haiku now
[15:48:04] <Teknomancer> Haiku doesn't like this laptop of mine last time I tried it
[15:48:07] <Teknomancer> so i only run it on a VM
[15:48:38] <timkoh> ah, i see
[15:48:58] <timkoh> i managed to get it installed on an old sony vaio netbook
[15:49:34] <Teknomancer> nice
[15:49:41] <timkoh> was very suprised that everything i needed was supported. wifi, sound, video
[15:50:01] <timkoh> well video was vesa, but it's still fast enough to watch videos with
[15:50:05] <HaikuUser> Oh~sorry sorry my name is doyoung and....i am not HikuUser
[15:50:07] <Teknomancer> which netbook is this?
[15:50:14] <timkoh> TX series
[15:50:22] <Teknomancer> ahh yes but I heard vesa in haiku
[15:50:26] <Teknomancer> is way better than on BeOS
[15:50:28] <Teknomancer> which was a real CPU hog
[15:50:48] <timkoh> vgn-tx52b that i bought in japan on a holiday then
[15:51:00] <timkoh> yeah, in beos it was quite slow
[15:51:05] <Teknomancer> ah okay
[15:51:20] <timkoh> even ethernet and wifi work
[15:51:36] <Teknomancer> in BeOS i wouldn't use it if i had to do some real work on it
[15:51:41] <Teknomancer> (with VESA)
[15:51:44] <timkoh> so after confirming all that worked i blew away ubuntu and i'm happy using a faster lighter os
[15:51:57] <Teknomancer> hmm
[15:52:05] <Teknomancer> i'd dual partition but hey :)
[15:52:08] <Teknomancer> whatever works
[15:52:15] <timkoh> hehe
[15:52:22] <timkoh> true, but it's an old machine
[15:52:27] <Teknomancer> ah ok
[15:53:08] <timkoh> hi Doyoung
[15:53:53] <timkoh> i left this laptop uncharged for almost a year.. i was very suprised that the battery still kept a charge after charging it overnight
[15:54:20] <HaikuUser> Ye iam glad to meet you
[15:54:52] <timkoh> Doyoung I think you can change your nick with a / nick command
[15:55:26] <HaikuUser> my note is under VMware...so is very slow working now..
[15:55:41] <timkoh> i see
[15:56:03] <timkoh> native haiku is much faster than one running under vmware or virtualbox
[15:56:12] <HaikuUser> and BeOS do not have utf-8 kits?
[15:57:00] <timkoh> hmm, i think it can display other languages, but not sure if it's utf-8 that it uses.. i think it is..
[15:57:14] <HaikuUser> but i like very much this BeOS....
[15:57:28] <timkoh> i can type Japanese with Haiku. これはテストです。
[15:57:46] <timkoh> i'm not sure if there is an input method for Korean though..
[15:58:28] <timkoh> I think BeOS does have input methods for Korean but i'm not sure if it will work in Haiku.
[15:58:28] <HaikuUser> I had setupped this in 1999....i had suprised then...
[15:58:45] <Teknomancer> HaikuUser: BeOS has UTF8 support natively
[15:58:47] <Teknomancer> so does Haiku
[15:58:56] <timkoh> I tried Anthy input method in haiku from Haikuware and it crashed Haiku..
[15:58:57] <HaikuUser> Oh~really?
[15:59:20] <timkoh> I had to use the latest copy from the porter's website SHINTA
[15:59:22] <HaikuUser> Ya i do try it now
[15:59:58] <HaikuUser> yes thanks...SHINTA....
[16:01:28] <HaikuUser> I am very glad to meet to you thank you...
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[16:03:02] <timkoh> well, my laptop battery is getting flat, i'm gonna logoff now nice chatting to you all
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[16:43:44] <Dane> Blink
[16:48:50] <Dane> Is there someone currently working on the media kit?
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[17:28:41] <CIA-35> Haiku: kallisti5 * r42705 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/accelerants/radeon_hd/ (7 files) http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/42705  :
[17:28:41] <CIA-35> * reformulate display and connector storage to match AtomBIOS requirements
[17:28:41] <CIA-35> * each active gDisplay references a gConnector index
[17:28:41] <CIA-35> * add atombios DAC sense.. this really won't be the main call used...
[17:28:41] <CIA-35> AtomBIOS expects you to attempt an EDID read to detect connected displays
[17:28:41] <CIA-35> * remove old manual DACSense
[17:28:42] <CIA-35> * next we attempt to add ddc / edid
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[18:16:10] <mrAshley> is it okay for me to just install haiku over an existing (but very plain) alpha copy?
[18:17:15] <mrsunshine> mrAshley, haiku will only overwrite the system directory if a system is detected
[18:17:29] <mrsunshine> so i guess it is =)
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[22:16:51] <HaikuUser> Hallo everyone
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[22:17:48] <ThomasJ73> First time on Haiku, LOVE IT! Kinda just poked around on google looking for additional apps, anyone have any quick links for apps for Haiku?
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[22:18:48] <HeTo> http://www.haikuware.com/
[22:19:12] <ThomasJ73> HeTo: Thank you, Sir!
[22:20:49] <ThomasJ73> Uh, lol, guess I should've checked bookmarks in WebPositive!
[22:22:55] <ThomasJ73> When I am downloading pakages (Google Chrome for instance) do I want rpms or debs?
[22:23:57] <HeTo> neither RPMs nor debs distribute Haiku apps
[22:24:13] <HeTo> and there is no Google Chrome or even Chromium for Haiku
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[22:25:07] <ThomasJ73> Copy.  Thank you. So I will have to stick to only those apps dev'd for Haiku
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[23:22:23] <phoudoin> hi
[23:22:47] <DaaT> hey phoudoin
[23:22:48] <DaaT> how goes?
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[23:36:28] <phoudoin> DaaT: fine
[23:37:14] <phoudoin> I'm just crossing my fingers that my PSU which is sick will stay up enough so I can code a bit tonigh
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[23:39:06] <DaaT> better get a new one though
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