August 30, 2011 
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August 30, 2011 [00:01:03] *** MatthewH12 has quit IRC[00:01:11] *** Kernel86_ has quit IRC[00:01:11] *** jrabbit_ has joined #haiku[00:01:14] *** jrabbit has quit IRC[00:01:26] *** MatthewH12 has joined #haiku[00:01:27] *** jrabbit_ is now known as jrabbit[00:01:40] *** Kernel86 has joined #haiku[00:07:00] *** oco2 has quit IRC[00:07:13] *** Ziusudra has joined #haiku[00:11:41] *** hoelzro has quit IRC[00:20:02] *** luroh has quit IRC[00:24:40] *** PasNox has quit IRC[00:47:59] *** lukove has joined #haiku[00:48:53] *** negusnyul has quit IRC[00:52:46] *** lukove has quit IRC[00:53:27] *** nsuperbus has quit IRC[00:55:31] *** dflemstr has quit IRC[00:58:44] *** dru_ has quit IRC[00:59:06] *** dru_ has joined #haiku[01:03:25] *** dru_ has quit IRC[01:04:40] *** orbital_fox has quit IRC[01:09:33] *** Pinaraf has quit IRC[01:22:15] *** jrabbit has quit IRC[01:24:22] *** VNA9216 has quit IRC[01:26:28] *** Skipp_OSX has joined #haiku[01:35:51] *** jrabbit has joined #haiku[01:37:14] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC[01:38:36] *** VNA9216_ has quit IRC[01:45:36] *** drewid[rogue] has joined #haiku[01:48:50] *** Xeon4D has joined #haiku[01:49:02] *** slackee has quit IRC[01:51:57] *** agarnier has joined #haiku[01:54:13] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[01:54:13] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[01:54:14] *** slackee has joined #haiku[01:57:39] *** jmelesky has quit IRC[02:03:14] *** agarnier has quit IRC[02:14:05] *** jrabbit has quit IRC[02:14:10] <doggiebot> haikufrontpagenews: Haiku Bootstrap Architecture <https://www.haiku-os.org/node/4325>[02:14:15] *** jrabbit has joined #haiku[02:19:33] *** kingxerxes has joined #haiku[02:22:03] *** Mellowcow has joined #haiku[02:22:11] *** petterhj has quit IRC[02:32:07] *** skarmiglione2 has joined #haiku[02:36:01] *** [Beta] has joined #haiku[02:36:57] *** johndrinkwater has quit IRC[02:38:41] *** jrabbit has quit IRC[02:40:52] *** jrabbit has joined #haiku[02:44:27] *** SRC has joined #haiku[02:44:42] *** DDevine has joined #haiku[02:48:55] *** Feint has quit IRC[02:51:34] <SRC> I know quite a lot's happened with Haiku since my last encounter with it (perhaps more than six years ago now!) so I'm not too sure how far things have progressed, has full Wireless support been added yet?[02:51:56] *** Ziusudra has left #haiku[02:53:33] <Skipp_OSX> SRC: well, there is wireless driver support with WEP encryption, and WAP/WAP2 is on the way[02:55:28] <SRC> I see, so things are far more advanced than back in the days when I dabbled with Haiku, is the OS as a whole stable enough for use as a someone's main operating system?[02:55:36] <DDevine> s/WAP/WPA/[02:56:01] <DDevine> SRC: sort-of.[02:56:09] <DDevine> It depends on what you need it to do.[02:58:08] <SRC> I'm guessing for general browsing, typing it's fine, but how about audio/video editing, is there any competent software for it?[03:01:03] <DDevine> Mmm.... no.[03:01:08] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[03:01:40] <DDevine> For general browsing it lacks flash, and for 'typing' Koffice is a bit unstable.[03:02:54] <DDevine> Though if you were using Google docs it'd work AFAIK.[03:05:24] *** Disreali has quit IRC[03:05:42] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[03:08:28] <SRC> still no flash? wow, I thought that would have been sorted by now[03:08:55] <SRC> the OS I use at the moment, RISC OS, has hardly any flash support either, it can be a real pain at times[03:10:41] *** lukove has joined #haiku[03:20:50] <jrabbit> SRC: ?[03:20:58] <jrabbit> SRC: flash is depricated :P[03:22:05] <Disreali> HTML5 ftw![03:23:02] <SRC> meh[03:25:45] *** kingxerxes has quit IRC[03:27:29] <Skipp_OSX> well, there is some hope that the mobile space will make flash less and less common to the benefit of all OS's that don't have it.[03:27:56] <DDevine> Haiku is probably a decent steup up from RISC OS.[03:28:58] <SRC> it is as far as I can tell, I'm on the look out for a second OS at the moment, something that can do the things RISC OS can't, Haiku's looking like a nice option right now[03:29:12] <SRC> how's Javascript support for Haiku?[03:29:41] *** Disreali has quit IRC[03:30:02] <Skipp_OSX> SRC: well what support there is is in WebPositive which uses whatever WebKit gives you.[03:30:08] <cherrypie> wow riscos, I haven't come across that in years.... I can't even remember the last time I saw an acorn in person, maybe like 98 or so.[03:30:33] <cherrypie> and that was a bsuted old archemedies[03:32:05] *** Mellowcow has quit IRC[03:32:35] <SRC> you probably wouldn't recognise the OS these days then, there have been a lot of changes, and it open-source now too! I still have a few Archimedes machines in the loft somewhere, although god knows if they still work[03:33:07] <cherrypie> I'd love to play with it again some day, it was a good little os[03:33:20] <cherrypie> does it have preemptive multitasking yet?[03:33:56] <cherrypie> seem to recall that was my big beef with it way back when[03:34:07] <SRC> sort of, that's what the Open Source movement is concentrating on[03:34:44] <SRC> if you want to give it a try, there are two emulators available if you have a Windows, Mac or Linux box[03:34:55] <cherrypie> aah kk, hope they can tidy up the little quirks its gotta have some serious untapped potential there[03:35:11] <cherrypie> aah cool, yah I'm sort of on a mac... sort of lol[03:35:47] <SRC> I can't ever see it getting untapped really, there's way too much whining and winging in the RISC OS community, the constant flame wars get boring[03:35:58] <cherrypie> bummer[03:37:24] <cherrypie> we've been lucky here[03:37:32] <SRC> RISC OS 5 is open-source but RISC OS 6 is still a commercial product, so RO5 is developed by a different group than 6, so the whole scene is split in half, meaning that nothing actually gets done[03:37:43] <cherrypie> the BeOS community is the tightest OS community I've ever come across[03:38:30] <SRC> of what I've seen of it, I must agree, BeOS people are very friendly too as far as I can gather[03:38:45] <cherrypie> yep[03:38:50] <stpere> ^_^[03:39:26] <SRC> is there still a lot of active software development for BeOS?[03:39:34] <cherrypie> as long as you're not being a pain in the ass you can be a total newb and everyone will have time for you if they can spare it[03:42:03] <SRC> is IRC the main hangout point for BeOS users these days then? I know the greenboard forum used to be popular but these days its dead[03:42:05] <cherrypie> I'm not as up to date as I should be but there's lot of code going into the OS and there are some pretty decent projects in the works, don't know what the scene is like for smaller more specialized apps at the moment but there is already a pretty big base of beos software[03:42:33] <cherrypie> I only IRC but i'd think the forums would see more traffic[03:42:57] <SRC> yeah, I've had a look at BeBits (I think thats what its called) and there seems to be a decent amount of stuff on there[03:42:59] <cherrypie> it's rather quiet here outside of dev talk and a little light general chit-chat[03:43:09] <cherrypie> yep bebits :)[03:44:08] <cherrypie> I think it should at least serve you much better than riscos[03:44:56][03:44:57] <cherrypie> but I haven't used riscos lately, so I may be way off base, I only know from what I have looked at out of curiousity on the web[03:45:15] <DDevine> SRC: look at Haikuware, not BeBits.[03:45:34] <cherrypie> well there you go, see "out of touch" :D[03:46:01] <SRC> it'll probably serve me just as well if not better than RISC OS, although I'll probably use Haiku alongside it in the end[03:47:20] <SRC> I'm guessing ARM support is nowhere near a priority yet for Haiku is it? It would be pretty nice to get my RISC OS machines dual-booting RISC OS and ARM Haiku[03:48:13] <cherrypie> I lived on BeOS for a number of years, but the need for a few more specialized apps ended that relationship... I still have a love for it and play with haiku in a vm, but that's all I really do, play.[03:48:36] <DDevine> SRC: There are the beginnings of an ARM port... though I think you'll find that Haiku will go straight to ARM11 with HardFloat.[03:48:56] <DDevine> So those old machines definitely won't cut the mustard.[03:49:56] <DDevine> SRC: What sort of specs do your machines have?[03:49:59] <SRC> cherrypie, that's what at least half of all RISC OS users do these days, "play", because everything RISC OS can do can be done better with a mainstream OS[03:50:15] <SRC> my highest spec ARM machine is ARMv7[03:50:27] <cherrypie> hopefully haiku will find it's way onto the pandora so I have and excuse to buy one.[03:51:05] <DDevine> SRC: My phone is ARMv7[03:51:17] <DDevine> cherrypie: ololol[03:51:24] <SRC> ah, a RISC OS port to the Pandora is nearly finished too, its been a surprisingly quick project[03:51:45] <DDevine> I can't believe people are still interested in the Pandora.[03:52:30] <SRC> ddevine: the next step will probably be attempting to get RISC OS running on ARM based phones, it could potentially grab us some new users[03:53:00] <cherrypie> I quite like the pandora concept, but then I play a lot of emulated games so it's kinda cool for me[03:53:12] <DDevine> SRC: The problem is that with no apps or particularly interesting features it would never take off.[03:55:05] <SRC> the advantage with RISC OS is that it can boot off a ROM chip and requires no hard disc and extremely little memory, perfect for phones[03:55:45] <SRC> you'd probably be surprised at the amount of apps too, apart from web browsing and advanced video editing and gaming, RISC OS is pretty much up to speed[03:55:55] <DDevine> SRC: flash is standard faire these days. A lot of new ARM processors even have a good whack of it on their die.[03:56:07] <SRC> although web browsing really is our biggest problem[03:56:38] <DDevine> And the features that users are demanding simply demand RAM.[03:57:52] <SRC> true[03:57:54] <DDevine> I think a lot of the Cortex series have 512MB stacked on the chip - which is more than enough for a complete Android installation with a little wiggle room.[03:58:32] <DDevine> And then it's getting common to have 1GB of RAM too, which is insane.[03:58:41] <SRC> bah, I really don't see the fuss about Android, it's terrible[03:59:04] <DDevine> SRC: I wouldn't say terrible, but certainly not anything to fuss about.[03:59:16] <DDevine> I really liked WebOS but HP just went full retard.[03:59:19] <SRC> it's been written very, very shoddily and the code can confuse even the best coder[03:59:35] <SRC> I agree, WebOS had potential[03:59:45] <DDevine> SRC: That's Java for you. It sort-of encourages that type of practise.[04:00:07] * SRC nods[04:00:33] <DDevine> Writing a small Android App results in a mass of hideous crap.[04:00:59] <DDevine> Having said that, I'm happy Symbian is dead.[04:01:09] <SRC> I know that from experience sadly enough[04:01:16] <DDevine> Symbian was *horrible* in every sense of the word.[04:01:30] <SRC> oh, I didn't mind Symbian, it was cute[04:01:30] <Skipp_OSX> I am having a problem getting a shortcut key to work that I've added to the Pop-up menu in Deskcalc, and I really don't have a good idea on how to debug[04:01:54] <Skipp_OSX> I added it like this: fModeItemCompact = new BMenuItem(B_TRANSLATE("Compact mode"), new BMessage(MSG_OPTIONS_COMPACT_MODE), '0');[04:02:53] <Skipp_OSX> I assume just adding a BMenuItem with a shortcut key ('0' in this case), should be enough[04:03:07] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[04:03:56] <Skipp_OSX> The BeBook says that I don't need to pass any modifier keys and it will use B_COMMAND_KEY by default... which I assume means Alt?[04:04:10] <cherrypie> motorolas ezx-linux/qt ui was nice, I used that for a number of years, simple to use, fast and light on resources. My old motorola smart phone goes for about 7-8 days one charge, my android phone sucks the battery in 2 days most of the time.[04:04:18] <Skipp_OSX> Or rather it means windows key, but I don't have a windows key, I have a "real" command key[04:05:17] <SRC> my iPhone was terrible for battery life, only lasted a few hours if you used an app for a decent amount of time[04:05:30] <DDevine> Skipp_OSX: If you turn on SAT, which key enables window stacking?[04:05:59] <Skipp_OSX> DDevine: well, I am on a recent build so SAT should be on by default I think[04:06:26] <Skipp_OSX> DDevine: oh you are asking me, um, lets find out[04:06:53] <DDevine> Skipp_OSX: use setdecorator[04:08:01] <DDevine> That way when you do the tab locking thing you will know which key is your super key for sure.[04:08:03] <Skipp_OSX> DDevine: The Command key does[04:08:14] <DDevine> Well that's the right key then :)[04:09:13] <SRC> I'm surprised people haven't released variants of Haiku yet, much like in Linux, are there too many licensing issues in the way or does the community just rather it be one project and not a bunch of little ones?[04:09:23] <DDevine> SRC: There are variants.[04:09:34] <DDevine> Senyru and two others AFAIK.[04:09:43] <DDevine> Never used them though.[04:10:15] <DDevine> I think this community sees the value in sticking together for the most part.[04:10:17] <SRC> ah, I haven't come across them, what are the differences?[04:10:42] <DDevine> SRC: Not much. Mostly just tweaks and package management attempts AFAIK.[04:11:02] <Skipp_OSX> DDevine: The reason I am confused about the key is that it reports Alt in the menu: http://imagebin.org/170228[04:11:17] <Skipp_OSX> DDevine: and Alt should be option on my keyboard.[04:14:53] *** oxoocoffee has joined #haiku[04:16:11] <Skipp_OSX> Anyway, that's not the point, the point is that the modifier key doesn't actually call the message that it is suppose to, perhaps the key combination is getting blocked somewhere[04:16:42] *** DDevine has quit IRC[04:16:50] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[04:22:36] *** DDevine has joined #haiku[04:25:43] *** cb88 has joined #haiku[04:31:10] *** oxoocoffee has quit IRC[04:48:51] *** Xeon4D has quit IRC[04:55:15] *** jrabbit has quit IRC[04:55:22] *** jrabbit has joined #haiku[04:55:23] *** Xeon4D has joined #haiku[04:55:37] *** jrabbit has joined #haiku[05:00:41] *** j0hndoe has joined #haiku[05:01:01] <j0hndoe> hi I need help[05:02:31] <j0hndoe> I installed virtualbox, downloaded VM zip of haiku. Now what do I do? how do I make virtual box install VM copy of haiku?[05:04:27] <Skipp_OSX> j0hndoe: well if you downloaded a VMware disk image you just need to create a new virtual machine with unknown OS, unknown version and set the disk image of the vm to point to the image file in the zip[05:04:36] <DDevine> j0hndoe: you need to extract the archive and set that image to be a hard drive for the virtualmachine.[05:10:29] <j0hndoe> Skipp_0SX, DDevine, I already did that, so how do I set the disk image to point to the image file?[05:11:25] <DDevine> uh.[05:11:34] <DDevine> The image file *is* the disk image.[05:11:56] <DDevine> you may have to go into "media manager" or whatever it is called.[05:12:00] <OmniMancer> go to the storage settings[05:12:32] <j0hndoe> im in storage setting[05:13:01] <OmniMancer> does the IDE controller have anything other than the CD under it?[05:14:00] <j0hndoe> Haiku.vdi and Empty with disk icon next to it[05:14:21] <j0hndoe> Haiku is the name of the virtual machine i created i think[05:14:34] <OmniMancer> select the empty one[05:14:52] <OmniMancer> is the empty one a CD/DVD drive?[05:15:18] <j0hndoe> yea the Attributes says its a CD/DVD Drive[05:15:27] <OmniMancer> j0hndoe: do you want to install from the vm disk image to the haiku.vdi you made?[05:15:55] <j0hndoe> yea[05:16:12] <OmniMancer> okay then click the icon on the bottom of the list that has a plus ontop of a set of hdd platters[05:16:50] <j0hndoe> i cant, its grey out and can't be clicked[05:17:38] <OmniMancer> :/[05:17:48] <OmniMancer> trying to explain this is kinda hard[05:17:56] <OmniMancer> wait[05:18:05] <OmniMancer> click the one next to the IDE controller[05:18:09] <j0hndoe> I mean if there was a tutorial on the website I woulda use it. BUt they only show HDD installation or something like that[05:20:07] <OmniMancer> next to the IDE Controller there should be an icon to add a harddisk[05:20:11] <OmniMancer> click that[05:20:38] <j0hndoe> ya i cant click those too, i think its something to do with the way I created the system[05:21:06] <OmniMancer> how did you create it?[05:21:08] <j0hndoe> i created a 5 gig space[05:21:10] <OmniMancer> also is it running?[05:21:12] <j0hndoe> yea[05:21:16] <OmniMancer> :([05:21:22] <j0hndoe> im new to this VM stuff[05:21:24] <OmniMancer> turn the VM off![05:21:34] <OmniMancer> you can't fiddle with its settings while its running[05:21:50] <j0hndoe> add attachment?[05:21:56] *** duvjones has joined #haiku[05:22:38] <OmniMancer> no[05:22:41] <j0hndoe> should I click the button next to IDE Controller Add CD/DVD Device , Add Hard Disk, or at the bottom Add Attachment[05:22:43] <OmniMancer> add hard disk[05:23:12] <j0hndoe> create new disk choose existing disk? im guessing its the existing?[05:23:15] *** jrabbit has quit IRC[05:23:18] <OmniMancer> yes[05:23:50] <OmniMancer> then if it gives you a way to browse go find the vmdk image file[05:24:00] <j0hndoe> then point to the files in the zip? but there are 2 files[05:24:12] <OmniMancer> you must extract the zip[05:24:17] <OmniMancer> and you want the vmdk[05:24:41] <j0hndoe> which one should I choose, blank-bfs-2048mb.vmdk or haiku-r1alpha3.vmdk[05:25:12] <OmniMancer> from their names which do you think?[05:25:44] *** jrabbit has joined #haiku[05:25:45] <j0hndoe> i think haiku-r1 but what does blank-bfs do[05:26:07] <j0hndoe> ok its added now, do I remove Haiku.vdi?[05:26:21] <OmniMancer> its a blank 2gig image formatted with a BFS filesystem[05:26:26] *** Ziusudra has joined #haiku[05:26:28] <OmniMancer> you don't[05:26:42] <j0hndoe> ok, its added, i can load it now?[05:27:02] <OmniMancer> you want to install to haiku.vdi since the vmdk has only around 50mb of free space[05:27:44] <j0hndoe> ok how do I do that[05:27:51] <OmniMancer> you might need to swap the order of the disks for now[05:28:01] <j0hndoe> ah[05:28:02] <j0hndoe> ok[05:28:13] <j0hndoe> so this is like the LIVE USB thing or cd/dvd live thingie right?[05:28:41] <OmniMancer> once you boot it its like installing to a hdd on actual hardware[05:28:46] *** Ziusudra has left #haiku[05:29:07] <DDevine> the blank one is so that you can put data there while so you can replace the system image with a new one and not lose stuff.[05:30:52] <j0hndoe> how do I swap the disk order, i can't find the optoin[05:31:21] <j0hndoe> nvm[05:31:24] <OmniMancer> click on the haiku.vdi in the storage tree[05:31:37] <OmniMancer> found it?[05:32:16] <j0hndoe> ya i got it set to Primary Slave tho, does it matter between Primary Master/Slave?[05:32:43] <DDevine> That's fine, just leave it there.[05:32:46] <OmniMancer> um[05:32:55] <j0hndoe> the tree shows 1. Haiku-r 2. Empty 3. Haiku.vdi is that correct, or should I move Empty below Haiku.vdi[05:32:56] <OmniMancer> move the haiku.vdi to primary slave[05:33:07] <OmniMancer> and the other one to primary master[05:33:32] <j0hndoe> got it, haiku-r then haku.vdi then Empty[05:33:42] <j0hndoe> tha'ts the order I'm set to botting it up now rite?[05:33:42] <OmniMancer> yea[05:33:54] <DDevine> haiku.vdi is empty, you don't need it at all.[05:34:03] <OmniMancer> I think it boots the primary master[05:34:11] <j0hndoe> sweet i see the boot up screen, ty dudes[05:34:12] <DDevine> haiku.vdi was created when you set up the VM, but you want to replace haiku.vdi with the image you downloaded.[05:34:13] <OmniMancer> DDevine: please don't confuse him more[05:34:24] <DDevine> OmniMancer: having extra crap is confusing.[05:34:45] <OmniMancer> DDevine: you pretty much need to install to a bigger disk or you have doom[05:34:59] <OmniMancer> if he didn't need it I would have told him to remove it[05:35:05] <OmniMancer> you are just confusing matters[05:35:14] <OmniMancer> j0hndoe: does it boot?[05:35:36] <j0hndoe> yea[05:35:36] <j0hndoe> ty[05:35:45] <OmniMancer> now when you boot up[05:35:49] <OmniMancer> run installer[05:35:55] <OmniMancer> setup partitions[05:36:05] <DDevine> OmniMancer: Ok, fair enough.[05:36:08] <OmniMancer> though this should be covered in a tutorial on the site[05:36:20] <DDevine> It is, I had a look at it the other day.[05:36:20] <OmniMancer> if you have problems don't hesitate to ask though[05:37:32] <j0hndoe> OmniMancer, thnx a lot dude, im gonna go check this Haiku out. Cya[05:37:48] *** j0hndoe has quit IRC[05:40:48] <DDevine> OmniMancer: damn he left before I could give him TFM. http://www.haiku-os.org/guides/virtualizing/virtualbox#part_vmimage[05:41:41] <OmniMancer> DDevine: you do realise that is completely out of date now?[05:53:49] <DDevine> OmniMancer: Looks similar enough to me.[05:55:39] <DDevine> Hmm. I guess it is slightly different.[05:56:34] <DDevine> *sigh* I really have to stop procrastinating and go do some maths study.[05:57:23] <OmniMancer> the new VBox doesn't deal with images quite that way anymore[05:57:24] <DDevine> I was just about to set up an emulated ARM development enironment to have a play with Haiku in.[06:20:23] *** lollo64it has joined #haiku[06:21:18] *** drewid[ST] has joined #haiku[06:23:43] *** lollo64it has quit IRC[06:24:56] *** lollo64it has joined #haiku[06:31:25] *** j0hndoe has joined #haiku[06:31:59] <j0hndoe> hey dudes im back, OmniMancer, you still here?[06:32:48] <OmniMancer> yes[06:33:20] <j0hndoe> I was searching at wiki for Adobe Flash but couldn't find one. How/Did you get flash to work?[06:33:28] <j0hndoe> adobe flash[06:33:39] <OmniMancer> simple answer is: you don't[06:33:59] <j0hndoe> oh so they didnt implement it yet?[06:34:07] <OmniMancer> adobe flash does not work on haiku[06:34:17] <OmniMancer> and adobe will likely NEVER support haiku[06:34:21] <j0hndoe> is there alternative flash stuff[06:34:24] <OmniMancer> gnash does build I think[06:34:33] <OmniMancer> but it won't work on youtube AFAIK[06:34:45] <OmniMancer> and anyway I think flash is slowly dying[06:35:23] <j0hndoe> ya i think they gave up with html5 battle thingie, that's what I heard anyways[06:35:57] <OmniMancer> well over time JS and html and other open standards with open implementation will replace flash[06:42:03] <jrabbit> prob going to bed soon[06:42:09] <jrabbit> err sorry wrong channel lol[06:42:29] <OmniMancer> j0hndoe: why did you expect flash to work?[06:43:37] <j0hndoe> I think I remember seeing a vid on youtube about guys showing off haiku and watching youtube, might've bee na diff O.S. tho[06:44:22] <OmniMancer> ah[06:44:28] <OmniMancer> that would likely have been with gnash[06:45:01] <OmniMancer> the other thing is the new browser does not yet support the plugin API that gnash needs[06:45:10] <OmniMancer> so you can't use gnash with web+ anyway[06:45:17] <OmniMancer> and bezilla (firefox 2) is ancient[06:46:02] <slackee> so uhh[06:46:11] <slackee> anyone here using atheroswifi?[06:47:03] <OmniMancer> slackee: what encryption?[06:47:06] <slackee> none[06:47:16] <slackee> having a problem where if I leave the room with my router in it, I get 70-80% packet loss[06:47:27] <slackee> was wondering if this is a common thing[06:47:40] <OmniMancer> not sure[06:47:51] <slackee> on OpenBSD I had no problems so I know it's got to do with Haiku[06:48:03] <OmniMancer> what about freeBSD?[06:48:12] <slackee> haven't used it with FreeBSD[06:48:31] <slackee> I could try though[06:48:48] <OmniMancer> since I believe all the network drivers come from freeBSD[06:48:55] <slackee> hmm[06:49:07] <slackee> well I will see if it's a problem there too[06:49:20] <OmniMancer> it may be something unrelated[06:49:23] <OmniMancer> I don't know[06:49:30] <slackee> I keep an eye on syslog[06:49:38] <slackee> I see a lot of ``media change'' messages[06:58:19] <j0hndoe> 0mniMancer, yea well, Haiku is still in alpha and it seems like a great O.S., only been testing it for about an hour. Can't wait for more cool things to come.[06:58:45] <OmniMancer> it doesn't have an 0 in it its an O[06:59:17] <j0hndoe> Omnimancer, ah ok[06:59:53] <j0hndoe> have you tried KolibriOS ? I'm gonna check that out next, its base on assembly language[07:00:15] <OmniMancer> no I haven't[07:01:30] <j0hndoe> I'm on a hunt for O.S. that use minimal system requirements after checking out a few tiny linux distro I come across Haiku, and KolibriOS, so yeah.[07:01:57] <j0hndoe> well ttyl i'ma come here from time to time when I got question for haiku, cya.[07:02:10] <j0hndoe> thnx for that VM help thingie earlier.[07:02:20] *** j0hndoe has quit IRC[07:07:59] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[07:08:27] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[07:31:48] *** [r4] has joined #haiku[07:33:08] *** jrabbit has quit IRC[07:33:28] *** jrabbit has joined #haiku[07:44:15] *** [r4] has quit IRC[07:44:42] *** drewid[ST] has quit IRC[07:45:03] *** Advant has joined #haiku[07:45:05] * Disreali is away: AFK[07:45:11] *** Advant has quit IRC[07:45:11] *** Advant has joined #haiku[07:47:00] *** fhein has joined #haiku[07:48:16] *** Advant- has quit IRC[07:49:23] *** jstressman has left #haiku[07:51:56] *** Disreali has quit IRC[08:05:15] *** _marc` has quit IRC[08:06:15] *** kPb_in has joined #haiku[08:13:02] *** jrabbit has quit IRC[08:18:32] *** jrabbit has joined #haiku[08:26:39] *** nsuperbus has joined #haiku[08:33:53] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[08:43:40] *** MatthewH12 has quit IRC[08:44:23] *** jrabbit has quit IRC[08:45:34] *** adominguez has joined #haiku[08:48:43] *** Xeon4D has quit IRC[08:59:52] *** Pinaraf has joined #haiku[09:08:10] *** _marc` has joined #haiku[09:09:29] *** skarmiglione2 has quit IRC[09:09:29] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[09:11:16] *** orealis has quit IRC[09:11:40] *** orealis has joined #haiku[09:12:01] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[09:12:02] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[09:13:06] *** Ketsuban has quit IRC[09:32:24] *** Pinaraf has quit IRC[09:49:49] *** Cian has joined #haiku[09:56:15] *** Cian has quit IRC[10:23:15] *** VNA9216_ has joined #haiku[10:29:12] *** kieselsteini has joined #haiku[11:01:38] *** vooshy has joined #haiku[11:05:03] *** P4R4N01D has joined #haiku[11:11:11] <Teknomancer> Morning[11:17:34] *** negusnyul has joined #haiku[11:26:43] *** f1assistance has joined #haiku[11:27:28] *** Ketsuban has joined #haiku[11:35:30] *** doggiebot has quit IRC[11:44:58] *** kPb_in has quit IRC[11:54:15] *** f1assistance has left #haiku[11:56:45] *** vooshy has quit IRC[11:58:12] *** doggiebot has joined #haiku[12:30:18] *** kPb_in has joined #haiku[12:33:13] *** zgaga has joined #haiku[12:33:27] <zgaga> Anyone have Sound Blaster Live 5.1 ?[12:42:39] *** SRC has quit IRC[13:02:17] *** zgaga has quit IRC[13:09:08] *** kPb_in has quit IRC[13:11:27] *** zgaga has joined #haiku[13:11:52] *** vooshy has joined #haiku[13:11:58] <zgaga> I made photo of kernel panic which appeared at copying files from external USB to desktop[13:12:55] <DDevine> Hmmm... that was a hard blog post to write, and I'm not quite happy with it... http://ddevnet.net/blog/2011/08/30/the-haiku-social-desktop-buddycloud/[13:14:12] <Teknomancer> no screenshots?[13:14:34] *** Out`Of`Control has quit IRC[13:16:52] <zgaga> http://imageshack.us/f/269/kernelpanic.jpg/[13:17:21] <DDevine> Teknomancer: yeah needs pretty pictures.[13:19:24] <zgaga> can I make bug report with this pic?[13:19:34] <vooshy> DDevine: no mention of caya, no mention of the hardwork stippi put in to make webpositive work with facebook.[13:21:59] *** Xeon4D has joined #haiku[13:23:29] <DDevine> vooshy: Yeah, that's not where I was taking it.[13:25:41] <DDevine> Every platform has IM clients and a Browser. It's not really part of what is referred to as "the social desktop".[13:26:29] *** SRC has joined #haiku[13:41:24] *** agarnier has joined #haiku[13:45:07] *** Cobi has quit IRC[13:47:52] *** Cobi has joined #haiku[13:49:37] *** Out`Of`Control has joined #haiku[13:53:06] *** xplt has joined #haiku[13:54:44] *** vooshy has quit IRC[13:56:24] *** SRC has quit IRC[13:58:01] *** Out`Of`Control is now known as Viper[14:04:49] *** nsuperbus has quit IRC[14:12:07] *** Cortex has joined #haiku[14:18:51] *** lollo64it has quit IRC[14:24:22] *** lollo64it has joined #haiku[14:28:17] *** vooshy has joined #haiku[14:32:46] *** xplt has quit IRC[14:52:11] *** zgaga has quit IRC[15:00:40] *** [Katisu]_m has joined #haiku[15:02:39] *** [Katisu] has quit IRC[15:02:40] *** [Katisu]_m is now known as [Katisu][15:11:16] *** adominguez has quit IRC[15:16:55] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[15:27:30] *** Xeon4D has quit IRC[15:27:50] *** Xeon4D has joined #haiku[15:29:45] <CIA-35> Haiku: siarzhuk * r42700 /haiku/trunk/data/catalogs/ (25 files in 19 dirs) http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/42700 :[15:29:45] <CIA-35> Updated Belarusian and Russian catkeys from HTA.[15:29:45] <CIA-35> Unfortunately I have failed snatching out Ukrainian ones for 3 days of attempts. :-([15:31:48] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[15:34:02] *** LordLobo has joined #haiku[15:35:38] *** LordLobo has left #haiku[15:43:15] *** tt_user has joined #haiku[15:43:17] <tt_user> yo![15:43:29] *** tt_user is now known as Dane___[15:43:33] <Dane___> boink[15:43:37] <Teknomancer> hey Dane___[15:43:49] <Dane___> Teknomancer Howdy![15:43:51] <Dane___> What's new?[15:44:02] <Teknomancer> Not much, getting prepared to join german classes (again)[15:44:06] <Teknomancer> and you?[15:44:12] <Teknomancer> how's TT going?[15:44:16] <Dane___> Taking it a little easy since it's summer.[15:44:19] <Dane___> TT's going fine.[15:44:25] <Dane___> We're making good progress toward Haiku[15:44:30] <Teknomancer> sounds good[15:44:37] <Dane___> Haiku itself still needs some progress though :-)[15:44:40] <Teknomancer> stability issues sorted?[15:44:48] <Dane___> Teknomancer Yes, pretty much.[15:44:52] <Teknomancer> yeah :)[15:44:55] <Dane___> Very stable with TT itself[15:45:09] <Teknomancer> and soundplay?[15:45:14] <Dane___> Good to go there[15:45:31] <Dane___> Teknomancer Ever think about doing BeShare again?[15:45:43] <Teknomancer> I didn't write Beshare :)[15:45:44] * Dane___ hopes everybody will eventually be in BeShare[15:45:55] <Dane___> I mean "occupy"[15:46:00] <Teknomancer> oh yeah[15:46:09] <Teknomancer> But only after getting Haiku[15:46:10] * Dane___ hangs out in the neonplasma server[15:46:11] <Teknomancer> on rael hwardware[15:46:16] <Dane___> oh[15:46:19] <Teknomancer> i got the hardware[15:46:24] <Dane___> good![15:46:27] <Teknomancer> i just need to sort out Windows so I can partition things the way I want[15:46:31] <Teknomancer> the haiku Live CD works[15:46:33] <Dane___> oic[15:46:38] <Teknomancer> i just hope it boots from the disk fine too[15:46:58] * Dane___ thinks Teknomancer won't have trouble figuring it out :-)[15:47:05] <Teknomancer> For some stupid reason Win7 refused to let me shrink it to less than 250 GiB[15:47:15] <Dane___> that's weird[15:47:15] <Teknomancer> yeah, just need to spend time on it :)[15:47:25] <Teknomancer> Well I have two 512GB disks in that laptop[15:47:37] <Teknomancer> so I can still use disk 2 if i have to[15:47:40] <OmniMancer> use the other disk?[15:48:00] <Teknomancer> I want to use Haiku mainly only for dev and keep my music etc. somewhere else[15:48:06] <Teknomancer> so I won't need a huge partition for Haiku[15:48:26] <Teknomancer> but I want GRUB, I don't want to try my luck with bootman or Windows bootloader :)[15:48:27] <Dane___> Teknomancer I assume you won't be using BFS attributes on your music[15:48:43] <Teknomancer> No, I don't think I have that much use for BFS attributes anymore[15:49:07] <Teknomancer> currently my music just resides in a FAT32 in a USB drive, which is kind of a pain (plugged in always)[15:49:40] <Teknomancer> I don't want to invest in a full fledged network storage solution.. at least not at this point[15:49:56] <Teknomancer> my parents will kill me if they visit and find I have more computers than furniture :P[15:50:11] * Dane___ ponders whether it might be possible to store the equivalent of BFS attributes on the Haiku (or BeOS) partition for a drive that isn't formatted BFS[15:50:15] <Dane___> That might be interesting.[15:50:26] <Teknomancer> Dane___: have you tried AudioTagger on ZETA?[15:50:31] <Teknomancer> i wrote it :}[15:50:40] <Teknomancer> it's like ArmyKnife[15:50:43] <Dane___> Teknomancer I vaguely remember it.[15:50:45] <Teknomancer> plus PecoRename of sorts[15:50:51] <Teknomancer> and it could do Album artwork etc.[15:50:57] <Dane___> Teknomancer I LOVE PecoRename...wish you'd kept with that![15:51:14] <Teknomancer> yes indeed[15:51:28] <Dane___> But regarding AudioTagger, I assume it only works on BFS partitions.[15:51:38] <Teknomancer> No, it could handle MP3 tags[15:51:41] <Teknomancer> and attributes[15:52:22] <Teknomancer> it was just like a fancy tag<->attribute / renamer for audio files[15:52:28] <Teknomancer> well mp3s mainly[15:52:31] <Dane___> Teknomancer If the files on a non-BFS partition were not MP3, and you attempted to mark attributes, what would happen?[15:52:44] <Teknomancer> i probably checked the BVolume[15:52:50] <Teknomancer> for attribtue support[15:53:02] <Teknomancer> and it'd probably just silently ignore/report failure, shouldn't be too hard[15:53:34] <Dane___> Teknomancer Imagine if Haiku's version of BFS could be smart enough to store BFS attributes for files located on non-BFS volumes.[15:54:31] <Teknomancer> Can be made to work of sorts, but in FSs that have no meta data whatsoever, it'd probably have to write to another file[15:54:36] <Teknomancer> and somehow keep associations[15:54:49] <Dane___> Right, that's what I was kinda thinking.[15:54:52] <Teknomancer> would be hackish, depends on if BFS attributes are really worth it[15:55:02] *** Xeon4D has quit IRC[15:55:49] <Teknomancer> problem is there are no real standards to meta-data, and BFS attributes you define, while good, end up being incompatible with other systems[15:56:07] <Dane___> Teknomancer Traditionally, the database-like structure of BeOS/Haiku has been one of its big strengths. I'm just picturing that capability extended to any drive that happens to be plugged in.[15:56:32] <Dane___> All the "thinking" and "storing" of the metadata would be kept locally.[15:56:45] <Teknomancer> As in a different volume?[15:57:03] <Dane___> Stored? I mean locally on the Haiku drive, as a file.[15:57:21] <Teknomancer> That's not good[15:57:28] <Dane___> Basically, it would be "extensible" BFS.[15:57:53] <Teknomancer> so in essence, a Haiku volume with attribute for files residing in a non-BFS volume?[15:58:32] <Dane___> I mean that the attributes of the Haiku volume would be "extensible" to the files on other non-BFS volumes, giving them full searchability in Tracker queries.[15:59:03] <Dane___> And when those volumes are opened in Tracker, the same attribute columns would be editable.[15:59:23] <Dane___> To the user, it would seem just like "more Haiku files."[15:59:43] <Dane___> To the system, the additional volume data would be stored inside Haiku's volume.[15:59:58] <Ketsuban> Which is a preferable solution to the problem of storing BFS attribute data on non-BFS volumes - the OSX method of co-files which contain the extra data, or a database in the volume root with all metadata in one place?[16:00:25] <Teknomancer> Yes but still the main problem is the differences in the actual FS, i.e. storage of BFS attributes in non-BFS volumes[16:00:40] <Dane___> Ketsuban I wish I knew enough about those two options to be able to venture an opinion. :-)[16:00:43] <Teknomancer> once you have the storage the queries can be somehow tweaked to work[16:01:06] <Teknomancer> probably indexing would be slow as you'd have to open each of those attribute files[16:01:45] * Cortex is away: I'm either busy, or I've been mauled by a gang of wild racoons.[16:02:54] <Ketsuban> I was going to opine that a single file in the volume root is the preferable solution because then you're only slurping one file rather than trawling the whole volume for the co-files.[16:03:08] <Dane___> Ketsuban That seems logical to me.[16:03:26] <Dane___> You mean the volume root of the BFS volume, right?[16:03:41] <Dane___> Or would it be on the "guest" volume?[16:03:58] <Dane___> I suppose the guest volume would make sense.[16:04:02] * Teknomancer googles opine[16:04:10] <Dane___> Teknomancer Offer an opinion[16:04:17] <Teknomancer> thx :)[16:04:20] <Dane___> :-)[16:04:28] <Dane___> Ketsuban On the guest volume, right?[16:05:22] <Teknomancer> Guest volume is probably better[16:05:30] <Dane___> Yeah[16:05:42] <Dane___> Then when BFS sees a newly mounted volume, it checks for the file right away.[16:05:46] <Teknomancer> that way you have an independent non-BFS volume with all BFS attributes in one single file (which has pros and cons)[16:07:46] *** vooshy has quit IRC[16:08:38] <Dane___> tic are you still alive? :-)[16:16:48] *** Ketsuban has quit IRC[16:17:00] *** _marc` has quit IRC[16:18:47] *** Xeon4D has joined #haiku[16:19:57] *** hoelzro has joined #haiku[16:37:48] *** DDevine has quit IRC[16:55:57] *** Xeon4D has joined #haiku[16:58:40] *** Xeon4D has quit IRC[17:00:14] *** zgaga has joined #haiku[17:00:44] *** The123king has joined #haiku[17:04:45] *** zgaga has quit IRC[17:09:14] *** zgaga has joined #haiku[17:09:29] <zgaga> damn[17:09:49] <zgaga> another panic while unzipping bepdf via installoptionalpackage[17:10:04] <zgaga> it happens always at the same action[17:10:26] <zgaga> it has to do something with vnode already existing[17:11:00] <OmniMancer> run an fsck?[17:11:12] <zgaga> what's that?[17:11:23] <OmniMancer> file system check?[17:11:33] <zgaga> ok, will try that[17:11:40] <OmniMancer> I think its fsck[17:12:03] *** zgaga has left #haiku[17:13:43] *** zgaga has joined #haiku[17:14:29] <zgaga> OmniMancer: fsck comand not found in terminal[17:15:40] *** The123king has quit IRC[17:16:16] *** brianb has joined #haiku[17:16:51] <OmniMancer> try ckfs[17:17:04] <zgaga> same[17:18:41] <OmniMancer> :/[17:18:45] <Teknomancer> checkfs ?[17:18:55] *** brianb_ has quit IRC[17:18:56] <OmniMancer> yea try checkfs[17:19:05] <Teknomancer> warning i haven't tried running it :)[17:19:35] <zgaga> checkfs does work. What is device name, which must be specified?[17:21:19] <Teknomancer> checkfs /Haiku ?[17:21:21] <OmniMancer> I think it's the device file[17:21:22] *** zgaga has quit IRC[17:21:27] <OmniMancer> or the mountpoint[17:21:39] <OmniMancer> try that or checkfs /boot[17:21:40] *** zgaga has joined #haiku[17:21:44] <zgaga> lol[17:21:55] <zgaga> get another k. panic while running checkfs[17:22:14] <zgaga> I'll try latest nightly build if it helps[17:26:42] <cb88> its the device file[17:29:00] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[17:29:01] *** agarnier has quit IRC[17:31:13] *** fhein has quit IRC[17:34:12] <zgaga> after sucessfuly running checkfs now I can install optional package without troubles[17:34:41] <zgaga> and panic doesn't appear when copying folder from external usb drive to desktop (for which I submitted bug report)[17:36:22] <zgaga> is this known issue with BFS or what?[17:37:03] <OmniMancer> zgaga: file systems don't tend to enjoy working when they are inconsistent[17:37:22] <OmniMancer> something must have broken some part of the FS[17:37:36] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[17:40:18] *** _marc` has joined #haiku[17:41:16] *** jmelesky has joined #haiku[17:42:30] *** Kernel86 has quit IRC[17:43:58] *** Kernel86 has joined #haiku[17:46:51] *** zgaga has quit IRC[17:56:51] *** Cian has joined #haiku[17:58:45] *** MatthewH12 has joined #haiku[17:59:46] *** MatthewH12 has quit IRC[18:00:07] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[18:01:10] *** MatthewH12 has joined #haiku[18:06:22] *** MYOB has joined #haiku[18:07:16] *** markos_ has quit IRC[18:07:20] *** zgaga has joined #haiku[18:08:07] *** Cian has quit IRC[18:10:19] *** markos_ has joined #haiku[18:14:15] *** kieselsteini has quit IRC[18:21:13] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[18:28:50] *** humdinger has quit IRC[18:30:18] *** x3nU has quit IRC[18:42:24] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[18:46:30] *** negusnyul has quit IRC[18:46:37] *** luroh has joined #haiku[18:47:10] *** tqh has joined #haiku[18:57:59] *** grafZeppelin has joined #haiku[18:58:14] <grafZeppelin> hello[19:02:04] *** dufu1982 has joined #haiku[19:04:08] *** Tukeke has joined #haiku[19:04:41] *** lollo64it has quit IRC[19:05:27] *** lollo64it has joined #haiku[19:05:58] *** lollo64it has joined #haiku[19:10:57] *** negusnyul has joined #haiku[19:17:13] *** Macintech has joined #haiku[19:18:41] *** MasterStarman has quit IRC[19:18:41] *** Macintech is now known as MasterStarman[19:21:30] *** diver_ has quit IRC[19:21:58] *** MasterStarman has quit IRC[19:25:52] *** Tukeke has left #haiku[19:29:20] *** dr_evil_ has joined #haiku[19:33:31] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[19:33:47] *** zgaga has left #haiku[19:34:08] *** grafZeppelin has quit IRC[19:48:47] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[20:23:56] * Cortex is back (gone 04:22:09)[20:26:10] *** oco2 has joined #haiku[20:30:19] *** luko has joined #haiku[20:31:22] *** negusnyul has quit IRC[20:33:40] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[20:38:36] <Anarchos> hi mmu_man[20:55:32] *** negusnyul has joined #haiku[21:00:18] *** dflemstr has joined #haiku[21:10:07] *** fhein has joined #haiku[21:13:16] *** Cortex has left #haiku[21:18:19] *** markos__ has joined #haiku[21:21:08] *** markos_ has quit IRC[21:24:59] *** dufu1982 has quit IRC[21:25:22] *** tqh has quit IRC[21:26:57] *** tqh has joined #haiku[21:41:20] *** Pinaraf has joined #haiku[21:43:22] <mmu_man> hmm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJRV558OLMc#t=0m35s[21:44:20] <Anarchos> mmu_man c quoi ?[21:45:31] <mmu_man> Quake 2 running on ReactOS to test their network stack :)[21:46:30] <Anarchos> ok[21:52:28] *** Cld has quit IRC[21:52:38] *** negusnyul has quit IRC[21:54:51] *** Cld has joined #haiku[21:56:23] *** Mellowcow has joined #haiku[21:57:14] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[22:08:41] *** negusnyul has joined #haiku[22:17:57] *** Xeon4D has joined #haiku[22:18:02] *** Xeon4D has joined #haiku[22:18:13] <Xeon4D> Hello :P[22:18:35] <Xeon4D> Is there a compatibility website other than Haikuware?[22:19:04] <mmu_man> the sources :p[22:19:43] <Xeon4D> hey mmu_man, well I was looking into adding to it and believe me, you don't want me anywhere near the sources... :)[22:21:19] <Wizard> :][22:21:23] <Wizard> good evening[22:21:43] <Xeon4D> Good evening Wizard[22:25:26] <Xeon4D> Oh well, if anyone wants to, they can add the Intel D410PT as totally compatible (VGA, Sound, Lan)[22:25:37] <Xeon4D> Gonna rebuild the machine with a D525MW[22:25:44] *** Xeon4D has quit IRC[22:27:50] <Wizard> hmm, if somebody wants to - he can add asus eeepc mt101 as totally incompatible ;D[22:29:37] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[22:32:46] *** luko has quit IRC[22:35:37] <Wizard> anybody arround willing to help poor wizard?[22:35:57] *** Mellowcow has left #haiku[22:37:49] <Wizard> I've heared wpa support for alpha3 is possible[22:46:37] <CIA-35> Haiku: korli * r42701 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/busses/usb/ehci.cpp http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/42701 : Read the previous descriptor pointer before freeing transfer and transfer descriptors.[22:52:55] *** fhein has quit IRC[22:53:21] *** lollo64it has quit IRC[22:54:04] *** luko has joined #haiku[22:54:46] *** P4R4N01D has quit IRC[23:00:12] *** Cian has joined #haiku[23:03:42] *** MYOB has quit IRC[23:04:01] *** tqh has quit IRC[23:04:34] *** Cian has quit IRC[23:10:09] *** [r4] has joined #haiku[23:14:44] *** Xeon3D has joined #haiku[23:15:53] <Xeon3D> I guess you can add the D525MW to the list as well :)[23:17:01] *** Xeon3D has quit IRC[23:19:20] *** luko has quit IRC[23:22:13] *** Ketsuban has joined #haiku[23:25:44] <CIA-35> Haiku: aldeck * r42702 /haiku/branches/developer/aldeck/tracker_layout/src/ (8 files in 3 dirs) http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/42702 :[23:25:44] <CIA-35> * Added a simple PoseViewTest to ease the decoupling work since PoseView can almost be used like a customisable control now (i.e[23:25:44] <CIA-35> independent of BContainerWindow).[23:25:44] <CIA-35> * The test app already helped to spot remaining BContainerWindow coupling issues in BPoseView.[23:25:44] <CIA-35> * Addded missing _NotifySelectionChanged call in the recent _EndSelectionRect method[23:25:45] <CIA-35> * Some cleanup, enhanced comments[23:30:10] *** orbital_fox has joined #haiku[23:36:50] *** luko has joined #haiku[23:38:05] *** Xeon4D has joined #haiku[23:52:42] *** Xeon4D has quit IRC[23:53:24] *** Xeon4D has joined #haiku