August 27, 2011 
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August 27, 2011 [02:14:04] *** echelog has joined #haiku[02:16:39] *** Mazon has joined #haiku[02:19:05] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[02:24:43] *** jmelesky has quit IRC[02:33:13] *** mmadia has quit IRC[02:51:43] <Disreali> Mazon; I assume that echelog is fixed[02:54:12] *** xissburg has joined #haiku[02:54:28] *** MatthewH12 has quit IRC[02:58:30] *** MatthewH12 has joined #haiku[03:00:19] *** MatthewH12 has quit IRC[03:01:05] *** MatthewH12 has joined #haiku[03:12:07] *** Pinaraf has quit IRC[03:14:42] *** P4R4N01D has joined #haiku[03:17:11] *** polifasio has joined #haiku[03:20:14] *** kingxerxes has quit IRC[03:27:44] *** xissburg has quit IRC[03:28:21] *** xissburg has joined #haiku[03:41:17] *** adamk has joined #haiku[03:41:17] *** adamk has joined #haiku[04:00:32] *** dak has quit IRC[04:06:19] *** DDevine has joined #haiku[04:19:34] *** paul0 has quit IRC[04:20:13] *** paul0 has joined #haiku[04:21:34] *** paul0_ has joined #haiku[04:21:52] *** paul0 has quit IRC[04:21:52] *** paul0_ is now known as paul0[04:27:46] *** MatthewH12 has quit IRC[04:29:41] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[04:30:37] *** MatthewH12 has joined #haiku[04:40:05] *** mmadia has quit IRC[04:44:27] *** dobroerlanger has quit IRC[04:50:13] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[05:10:37] *** Cian has joined #haiku[05:43:12] *** kPb_in has joined #haiku[05:44:41] *** kPb_in has quit IRC[06:15:19] *** markos_ has quit IRC[06:26:08] *** Ketsuban has quit IRC[06:29:00] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[06:29:41] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[06:31:25] *** cherrypai has quit IRC[06:32:27] *** cherrypie has joined #haiku[06:35:06] *** kernel_joe has joined #haiku[06:46:58] *** jstressman has quit IRC[06:47:57] *** dreamed has quit IRC[06:54:57] *** Disreali has quit IRC[07:46:35] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[07:46:58] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[07:54:59] <CIA-35> Haiku: phoudoin * r42693 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/media/media-add-ons/usb_webcam/addons/uvc/UVCCamDevice.cpp http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/42693 :[07:54:59] <CIA-35> * Fix the "USB USB Webcam" name: now generic UVC USB webcam will be named, well, that:[07:54:59] <CIA-35> Generic UVC USB Webcam.[07:54:59] <CIA-35> * Added my own Logitech HD Pro C910, which publish a compound device class, not an UVC class.[07:59:37] *** kPb_in has joined #haiku[08:05:55] *** MatthewH12 has quit IRC[08:12:21] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[08:13:22] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[08:20:15] <jrabbit> http://tantek.com/2011/238/b1/many-ways-slice-url-name-pieces lol[08:20:30] <DDevine> Cool, webcam stuff.[08:39:18] *** VNA9216_ has joined #haiku[08:44:03] *** fhein has joined #haiku[08:45:03] *** [Katisu]_m has joined #haiku[08:46:51] *** xissburg has quit IRC[08:47:16] *** [Katisu] has quit IRC[08:47:16] *** [Katisu]_m is now known as [Katisu][08:50:09] *** Shisui has joined #haiku[08:59:26] *** paul0 has quit IRC[09:03:59] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[09:04:59] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[09:17:35] *** jstressman has joined #haiku[09:20:03] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[09:20:18] *** _marc` has quit IRC[09:21:15] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[09:35:39] *** humdinger has quit IRC[09:37:15] <kernel_joe> anyone using http://synrc.com/sync/client/haiku/ ?[09:37:34] *** paul0 has joined #haiku[09:38:14] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[09:49:20] *** Shisui has quit IRC[09:58:22] *** Pinaraf has joined #haiku[10:00:29] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[10:06:12] *** tqh has joined #haiku[10:09:12] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[10:23:47] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[10:25:26] *** _marc` has joined #haiku[10:25:26] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[10:26:03] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[10:35:20] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[10:38:07] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[10:39:32] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[10:42:46] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[10:44:03] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[10:51:23] *** hUMUNGUs has quit IRC[10:51:24] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[10:53:42] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[10:59:47] *** The123king has joined #haiku[10:59:53] *** The123king has joined #haiku[11:04:21] *** VNA9216 has joined #haiku[11:08:16] <doggiebot> haikufrontpagenews: Haiku Down Under 2011 Report <https://www.haiku-os.org/blog/sikosis/2011-08-27_haiku_down_under_2011_report>[11:15:54] <CIA-35> Haiku: pulkomandy * r42694 /haiku/trunk/docs/user/ (Doxyfile storage/FindDirectory.dox) http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/42694 : Add some documentation for find_directory. This is very incomplete yet.[11:17:31] *** Hubert_ has joined #haiku[11:19:40] *** kPb_in has quit IRC[11:20:01] *** Tzibu has quit IRC[11:20:27] *** Tzibu has joined #haiku[11:20:44] *** humdinger has quit IRC[11:27:08] *** The123king1 has joined #haiku[11:27:15] *** sikosis has joined #haiku[11:27:15] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o sikosis[11:28:01] *** Shisui has joined #haiku[11:29:42] *** The123king has quit IRC[11:33:12] <sikosis> http://bit.ly/hdu2011report[11:33:25] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[11:35:58] <PulkoMandy> sikosis: we have a bot echoing the homepage news now :)[11:36:06] <PulkoMandy> <doggiebot> haikufrontpagenews: Haiku Down Under 2011 Report <https://www.haiku-os.org/blog/sikosis/2011-08-27_haiku_down_under_2011_report>[11:36:15] <sikosis> sweet[11:40:20] *** Umiashi has joined #haiku[11:44:47] *** Umiashi has quit IRC[11:44:58] *** Umiashi has joined #haiku[11:47:55] *** aksr has joined #haiku[11:53:35] <Duggan> I cried :([11:55:05] *** The123king1 has quit IRC[11:55:36] *** kPb_in has joined #haiku[11:58:06] *** tqh has quit IRC[11:59:30] *** tqh has joined #haiku[12:03:36] <sikosis> Haiku Down Under 2011 Event Evaluation Survey -> http://www.survs.com/survey/F9VS1SZE3D[12:12:20] *** The123king has joined #haiku[12:12:37] *** Hubert__ has joined #haiku[12:13:34] *** aksr has left #haiku[12:13:53] *** Hubert_ has quit IRC[12:14:03] *** Hubert__ is now known as Hubert_[12:14:46] <Duggan> no "not applicable" selections :/[12:14:52] *** Umiashi has joined #haiku[12:14:58] <jrabbit> http://i.imgur.com/KVFq5.jpg :3[12:15:16] *** Umiashi has quit IRC[12:17:00] <Duggan> sikosis my survey answers in short: "I use Haiku so I couldn't do anything but sit around in #haiku-au feeling sorry for myself because I was missing everything"[12:17:11] <Duggan> hope that helps :)[12:17:12] <Duggan> lol[12:18:50] *** The123king has quit IRC[12:19:02] <sikosis> lol … can one of those video downloading apps on haiku download the recorded session ? i haven't tried yet[12:19:36] <Duggan> hmm maybe... if it were on youtube it could I'm sure... if I had a direct link[12:20:17] <Duggan> YAVTD is the only one that works right now that I'm aware of but it currently only takes links, it can't search or anything..... not sure if it would work on other sites... haven't used it much[12:20:29] <Duggan> sikosis doesn't help me win anything though! :P[12:20:30] <Duggan> lol[12:20:38] <sikosis> hehe[12:20:54] <sikosis> fingers crossed next year things will be different[12:21:38] <Duggan> hell if nothing else we could probably develop some OSS to do it and make it work on multiple OSes just for purposes like this... not like we don't have access to enough info to write it ourselves anyway...[12:22:37] <Duggan> I bet you guys didn't even save me any pizza...[12:22:54] <jrabbit> Duggan: theres minitube on qt[12:23:09] <Duggan> jrabbit youtube downloader?[12:23:59] *** luroh has joined #haiku[12:24:22] <sikosis> yeh YAVTD is pretty good but its direct links only[12:24:51] <Duggan> just talked to humdinger a bit ago, he's wanting to put some work into YAVTD and we agreed I'd support him[12:25:14] <jrabbit> Minitube plays youtube videos[12:25:19] <Duggan> I wouldn't mind helping more directly, but it was his suggestion and he needs the practice anyway :)[12:25:20] <luroh> Duggan: http://ustream.vo.llnwd.net/pd18/0/1/16/16781/16781108/1_8879289_16781108.flv[12:25:45] <Duggan> that the HDU video?[12:25:54] <luroh> yeah[12:25:58] <Duggan> nice, thanks :)[12:26:03] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[12:26:03] <luroh> np[12:27:06] <Duggan> jrabbit that's good but probably wouldn't work with streaming events like HDU[12:27:16] <Duggan> we still need a solution for that right?[12:33:28] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[12:34:16] *** Ziusudra has quit IRC[12:34:17] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[12:34:41] <jrabbit> Duggan: use ogv[12:37:58] <Duggan> ?[12:38:36] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[12:38:41] <jrabbit> streaming ogg video[12:38:54] <Duggan> ah gotcha, a lib?[12:39:18] <jrabbit> millions :P[12:39:22] <jrabbit> google it[12:39:25] <jrabbit> icecast[12:43:35] *** Hubert_ has quit IRC[12:44:04] <Duggan> thanks for the info[12:45:30] *** idefix_oneiric has joined #haiku[12:45:46] <jrabbit> theres also Google's vp8[12:48:49] <Duggan> how goes the development on the webcam drivers for haiku?[12:48:53] <Duggan> who's working on that again?[12:49:42] <DDevine> I don't know but something was committed for it a few hours ago.[12:49:56] <Duggan> I'm wondering how difficult it would be to not only be able to view streaming data but also produce it under Haiku...[12:55:14] <DDevine> And as far as streaming goes the easiest solution to make it extremely cross platform is this type of setup. http://dvswitch.alioth.debian.org/wiki/large_meeting/[12:55:36] <DDevine> Requires a twinpact for VGA to DV conversion.[12:56:09] <DDevine> It worked really well at LCA, and obviously DebConf.[12:56:52] <DDevine> I assume VLC in Haiku can do Icecast.[12:57:13] <DDevine> If not, then we need to get HTML5 video support...[12:57:19] <jrabbit> It can view it.[12:57:23] <Duggan> if you guys already know so much about this how come we don't already have something set up? :P[12:57:37] <DDevine> Nobody asked.[12:57:42] <jrabbit> I don't know what can source to icecast.[12:57:45] <jrabbit> on haiku[12:57:50] <jrabbit> especially video[12:58:00] <jrabbit> most people use icecast like shoutcast, only for audio[12:58:02] <Duggan> lol ok, well next year HDU will be hosted ON HAIKU and I'll be attending from within Haiku as well :D get to work! :P[12:59:18] *** idefix_oneiric has left #haiku[12:59:21] <Duggan> hrm... hosting feeds from conferences would be great too...[12:59:29] <Duggan> if that were possible anyway[12:59:41] <DDevine> What do you mean?[12:59:41] <jrabbit> also see Mozilla Air[12:59:51] <jrabbit> http://air.mozilla.org/[13:00:23] <jrabbit> they boradcast all of their working group meetings there[13:00:31] <DDevine> Yeah that parts the easy part.[13:00:40] <Duggan> have a camera / mic set up at a con (like Ohio Linux Fest coming up) and send that stream to a server somewhere else for distribution... that'd be neat I think[13:01:03] <jrabbit> CCC did ogv steaming and h264 iirc[13:01:04] <DDevine> Duggan: Yep that's what we did at LCA[13:01:28] <jrabbit> a well built stack for that for everyone mgiht be nice[13:01:28] <DDevine> Duggan: Even within the conference. If a room was too full we could pipe a high def stream to another room.[13:01:31] <jrabbit> haikucentric or not[13:02:04] <DDevine> jrabbit: We made it work fairly easily, but its not "all in one package".[13:02:23] <jrabbit> it should be :P[13:02:40] <jrabbit> i.e. you shouldn't need someone with experince there to set it up[13:02:45] <DDevine> jrabbit: it can't be.[13:02:53] <DDevine> You need it in a nice flexible toolchain.[13:03:04] <Duggan> DDevine I figure just shipping it off to an offsite server should work? I'm not sure how streaming video is distributed exactly but I'm pretty sure it involves sending the same data to a whole lot of clients lol[13:03:07] <tqh> anyone know if btrfs gotten support for >4kb attributes yet?[13:03:09] *** idefix_oneiric has joined #haiku[13:03:21] <jrabbit> just because you have flexibility doesn't mean that a single well supported one isn't good[13:03:28] <DDevine> Duggan: Yes you *must* ship it off to a content distribution grade service.[13:03:31] <DDevine> And you can.[13:03:44] <Duggan> yes, and I don't think you'd get that at a con[13:03:54] <Duggan> not cheaply anyway[13:04:12] <DDevine> Duggan: With LCA's budget it was easy. But I think you will find that even podcasts can do it. Linux Outlaws did it.[13:04:51] <DDevine> They had an icecast server so that people didn't need flash to watch live. (though they also used to use ustream)[13:05:25] *** idefix_oneiric has left #haiku[13:05:36] <DDevine> I can't remember what the service they hired the icecast server from was called.[13:06:08] <jrabbit> DDevine: any server would work...[13:06:22] <DDevine> jrabbit: You need phat pipes.[13:06:23] <jrabbit> if it hits capacity you get another[13:06:43] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[13:07:01] <DDevine> jrabbit: If you are at a big enough university you might have a fat enough pipe, but just guy some service. It's not that expensive from what I hear.[13:07:08] <DDevine> s/guy/buy/[13:07:28] <jrabbit> DDevine: unmetered servers aren't that expensive either lol[13:09:01] <jrabbit> also linode and others are probably a good place to look to[13:09:01] <sikosis> yeh I'm open to try any of theses solutions if it means the stream can be viewed in Haiku[13:10:06] <jrabbit> ogv is probably the best bet[13:10:48] <jrabbit> does haiku support html5 ogv already in media kit?[13:11:39] <OmniMancer> don't think so[13:11:50] <OmniMancer> since media kit AFAIK is not streaming friendly[13:11:54] <jrabbit> ah[13:12:04] <DDevine> Yeah but VLC supports it I'm pretty sure.[13:12:06] <OmniMancer> and AFIAK web+ does not support <video> yet[13:12:10] <OmniMancer> but VLC will work[13:12:12] <jrabbit> will <video> doesn't mean streaming at all[13:12:15] <jrabbit> ah ok[13:12:41] <OmniMancer> regardless of the source if the video usually you want to watch <video> tags in a streamed manner[13:12:48] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[13:14:49] <OmniMancer> can you not stream with just VLC?[13:15:17] <OmniMancer> though that depends on what you wish to stream and if you can expose it to VLC in the right way[13:15:24] <jrabbit> OmniMancer: I mean live streaming[13:15:31] <jrabbit> not I'm downloading this http file[13:15:50] <Duggan> web+ doesn't really support much of anything, but I'm impressed at what it does support[13:18:07] <OmniMancer> jrabbit: VLC allows streaming though and can receive streaming[13:18:22] <OmniMancer> the only problem comes in giving VLC the video/audio to stream if you want live streaming[13:18:32] <OmniMancer> you can stream a webcam easily[13:18:37] *** tqh has quit IRC[13:19:04] <DDevine> OmniMancer: VLC can stream your screen using X11, but that's not going to work under Haiku.[13:19:37] <jrabbit> does haiku support a way to do it?[13:19:51] <jrabbit> I'm sure you could get it patched in I think they support it on osx even[13:20:05] *** tqh has joined #haiku[13:20:20] <DDevine> You can run a X11 client on Haiku...[13:20:29] <Duggan> you could grab the framebuffer if you wanted to, but that would only last until 3d hw accel is implemented... I think that would do away with the in-memory backbuffer we have[13:20:53] <DDevine> But if you have a TwinPact you wouldn't need to. Just pipe the screen output over to a linux box running something like this But you could certainly rebroadcast to something like justin.tv really easily using http://apiwiki.justin.tv/mediawiki/index.php/VLC_Broadcasting_API[13:20:59] <DDevine> That streams out to Justin.tv[13:21:06] <DDevine> (Notch used it recently)[13:21:13] <Duggan> I kind of like the idea of native solutions myself :P[13:21:14] <Duggan> hehe[13:21:19] <Duggan> anyway, I think I'm off to take a nap[13:21:46] <DDevine> Though if VLC can capture haiku's screen I think we could recompile that thing.[13:22:36] <OmniMancer> jrabbit: but the haiku down under doesn't tend to use haiku as its streaming OS does it?[13:22:48] <Duggan> OmniMancer it would be nice if it did, wouldn't it?[13:22:53] <jrabbit> I have no idea at all[13:23:15] <jrabbit> does haiku notsupport vnc/rdp either?[13:23:27] <DDevine> OmniMancer: No.[13:23:38] <OmniMancer> there is a VNC server for haiku[13:23:46] <OmniMancer> but its so slow its barely usable over a LAN[13:24:00] <DDevine> That's why using the video output is a good diea.[13:24:08] <jrabbit> that sounds like a haiku bug :P[13:24:21] <DDevine> jrabbit: Off you hop, go fix it.[13:24:54] <OmniMancer> jrabbit: to be fair it's an old BeOS VNC server[13:25:09] <OmniMancer> mmlr or mmu_man may have an RDP server[13:25:15] <jrabbit> ah[13:25:22] <OmniMancer> I think one of them did the VNC server port from tightVNC to beos[13:25:30] <jrabbit> well the point beign those techniques could be used to source the info to vlc[13:25:50] <jrabbit> thats not a now solution but it might be worthwhile[13:27:12] <Duggan> still waiting for axel to look at #7870 :/ just need to know whether one variable needs to be set or not, if so then one line needs to be added to my patch (and I'm pretty sure it does) if not, then the patch is good as-is[13:27:48] <Duggan> so yeah... off to take a nap... l8r guys[13:46:59] *** kPb_in_ has joined #haiku[13:47:09] *** kPb_in has quit IRC[13:47:09] *** 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;)[15:07:32] *** MasterStarman has joined #haiku[15:07:40] <HaikuUser> (shann sur #haiku-fr)[15:09:18] <PulkoMandy> :)[15:10:42] <HaikuUser> je part à la chasse aux bugs (utilisatation d'Haiku au quotidien) ;)[15:11:11] *** Disreali has quit IRC[15:11:29] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[15:11:50] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[15:15:57] *** Disreali has quit IRC[15:16:12] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[15:18:25] *** bosii has quit IRC[15:18:46] *** bosii has joined #haiku[15:20:21] *** Disreali has quit IRC[15:21:59] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[15:23:34] *** bosii has quit IRC[15:23:51] *** shann has left #haiku[15:26:13] *** Disreali has quit IRC[15:26:28] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[15:30:37] *** Disreali has quit IRC[15:32:09] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[15:33:11] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[15:33:19] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[15:34:52] *** Cld has quit IRC[15:35:19] *** Cld has joined #haiku[15:36:51] *** mrsunshine has quit IRC[15:36:59] *** Disreali has quit IRC[15:37:18] 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that way :D[16:05:59] <HaikuUser> sure, but i think the _application_ of both oses is the same[16:06:14] <HaikuUser> meaning, i could see haiku being a great os for basic tasks[16:06:24] <HaikuUser> since the app library is minimal[16:06:40] <polifasio> HaikuUser: Haiku is fast and lightweight, like Chrome OS, but it has more than just a browser[16:06:41] <farhaven> well, there's a C compiler, there's a shell, there's vim[16:06:42] <HaikuUser> and its just ridiculously fast :)[16:06:47] <farhaven> about everyhting i need :)[16:07:00] <farhaven> wpa support would be nice though[16:07:14] *** Disreali_ has joined #haiku[16:08:40] *** Disreali__ has joined #haiku[16:09:07] *** Disreali has quit IRC[16:09:09] <HaikuUser> farhaven: why not ubuntu or some other open os?[16:09:14] <HaikuUser> just wondering[16:09:36] <farhaven> i use openbsd...[16:09:42] <farhaven> ubuntu just plain _sucks_[16:09:56] <OmniMancer> farhaven: alpha 3?[16:10:03] <farhaven> and i think i have kind of an attachment to haiku because i used beos when i was a child[16:10:05] <HaikuUser> yeah ive never used it[16:10:15] <HaikuUser> same!:)[16:10:22] <PulkoMandy> farhaven: there's a patch for enabling wpa somewhere[16:10:22] <farhaven> OmniMancer: does that have wpa support now?[16:10:27] <farhaven> whee[16:10:29] <PulkoMandy> look for "haiku alpha 3 wpa backport"[16:10:39] <HaikuUser> i was talking to a friend about how the recent droppage of webos sucks[16:10:40] <farhaven> hmm, i just might do that[16:10:41] <OmniMancer> yea finding the archive for you[16:10:49] <HaikuUser> as it reminded me of beos[16:11:01] <HaikuUser> so i downloaded this vm for nostalgia :)[16:11:08] <OmniMancer> its not a patch so much as wpa supplicant[16:11:38] *** Disreali_ has quit IRC[16:12:02] <farhaven> OmniMancer: i'd rather have wpa support openbsd style[16:12:17] <OmniMancer> farhaven: you use wpa supplicant regardless[16:12:24] <farhaven> with the wpa state machine inside the wifi driver layer and not inside some supplicant[16:12:38] <OmniMancer> if you would "rather have it X way" then submit a patch[16:12:45] <farhaven> yeah, but that takes work :P[16:13:05] <OmniMancer> http://haiku.mlotz.ch/wpa_supplicant_r1alpha3.zip[16:13:08] *** Disreali__ has quit IRC[16:13:11] <OmniMancer> then no complaining[16:13:25] <OmniMancer> also there are good reasons to not have things in kernel space[16:13:25] <HaikuUser> how about vmware tools?[16:13:50] <HaikuUser> the one i tried made the mouse move 2px whenever i click :)[16:14:17] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[16:15:35] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[16:19:00] *** Disreali has quit IRC[16:20:02] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[16:24:35] *** Disreali has quit IRC[16:25:48] *** xissburg has joined #haiku[16:26:19] *** xissburg has left #haiku[16:28:17] *** auronandace has quit IRC[16:40:37] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[16:41:02] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[16:44:01] *** auronandace has joined #haiku[16:48:04] *** Colin_Finck|lap has joined 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Window greyed out when I try[19:31:07] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[19:31:44] <OmniMancer> Alias?[19:39:13] *** P4R4N01D has quit IRC[19:49:41] *** mmadia has quit IRC[19:56:26] *** leszek has joined #haiku[19:58:53] *** jrabbit has joined #haiku[20:00:00] *** cprodescu has joined #haiku[20:20:30] *** leszek has quit IRC[20:20:39] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[20:26:11] <mrsunshine> "alias l ls" i guess ?[20:26:31] <mrsunshine> alias l=`ls -l`[20:28:22] *** Colin_Finck|lap is now known as Colin_Finck|afk[20:28:29] <mrsunshine> alias l='ls -CF' more like it :P[20:30:33] *** brechtm has quit IRC[20:39:46] *** _marc` has joined #haiku[20:40:57] *** jrabbit_ has joined #haiku[20:41:50] *** jrabbit has quit IRC[20:45:26] *** kingxerxes has joined #haiku[20:45:52] *** jrabbit_ has quit IRC[20:47:52] <mrsunshine> "The developers behind the Mesa 3D graphics library, which provides the default graphics driver support for most hardware on Linux (and BSD/Solaris), has ended their support for older hardware. Being removed from Mesa (and therefore versions of Linux distributions) is support for hardware like the 3Dfx Voodoo, Intel i810, ATI Rage, and S3 Savage graphics processors. Also drivers being dropped were for Matrox and[20:47:52] <mrsunshine> VIA graphics. Mesa developers also decided it's time to end support for the BeOS operating system. Dropping this code lowered the developers' responsibility by some 100k L.O.C., so maybe we will see GL3 support and OpenCL in Linux a bit sooner."[20:47:53] <mrsunshine> hmm[20:48:04] <mrsunshine> does that affect haiku ?[20:50:17] *** Colin_Finck|afk is now known as Colin_Finck|lap[20:53:34] <stpere> mrsunshine: yeah, I wondered the same[20:53:44] <stpere> but I can't tell[20:54:11] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku[20:54:38] *** cprodescu has quit IRC[20:57:11] <dr_evil> my 74GB raptor HDD just died. that was my workstation and development machine[20:57:13] <mrsunshine> <DrNick> to answer your original question, nobody uses Haiku, so nobody will be effected[20:57:13] <mrsunshine> <DrNick> it's like trees falling in forests and landing on mimes[20:57:25] <mrsunshine> well the mesa devel people sure has a great attitude...[20:58:20] <dr_evil> it had 5 years of warrenty, I just checked when it ended: Out of Limited Warranty 7/28/2011[21:01:09] *** Ziusudra has joined #haiku[21:01:36] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[21:02:11] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[21:04:11] <mrsunshine> aparently they are missing a maintainer for the mesa code for beos/haiku, but hell with the attitude they have i dont know what to say realy[21:11:40] <x3nU> hello i have another problem with haiku[21:11:52] <x3nU> i have moved netpositive window[21:11:56] <x3nU> to top[21:12:09] <x3nU> and top bar isn't visible[21:12:21] <x3nU> so i can't move or maximize window[21:14:01] <x3nU> creating new window[21:14:03] <polifasio> x3nU: it is also possible to drag windows from its borders. The thin, tiny borders[21:14:13] <x3nU> and closing old one[21:14:15] <x3nU> solved problem[21:14:31] <x3nU> polifasio: ahh, i see :)[21:14:52] <x3nU> thanks[21:16:25] <Ziusudra> actually, if you hold ctrl+alt you can move a window by click-dragging any where inside it[21:28:27] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[21:28:31] *** fhein has quit IRC[21:29:36] *** Skipp_OSX has joined #haiku[21:31:09] <Skipp_OSX> Is PulkoMandy around?[21:35:09] <PulkoMandy> sure[21:35:42] <Skipp_OSX> PulkoMandy: In the Button docs, the FrameResized() method is not right.[21:35:54] *** cprodescu has joined #haiku[21:36:06] *** kingxerxes has quit IRC[21:38:31] <PulkoMandy> oh[21:38:35] <PulkoMandy> FrameMoved isn't either[21:39:37] <PulkoMandy> should I fix them ?[21:40:19] *** f1assistance has joined #haiku[21:40:59] *** f1assistance has left #haiku[21:41:17] <CIA-35> Haiku: pulkomandy * r42695 /haiku/trunk/docs/user/interface/Button.dox http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/42695 : The description for frameMoved and FrameResized was wrong. Thank Skipp_OSX for noticing.[21:41:18] <Skipp_OSX> PulkoMandy: that is correct. You could fix it or I could send you a patch[21:41:25] <PulkoMandy> fixed :)[21:41:35] <Skipp_OSX> PulkoMandy: okay, that works, thank you[21:41:52] <PulkoMandy> I added some doc for find_directory today, keep in sync :)[21:42:04] <PulkoMandy> (and feel free to make it more complete)[21:42:24] <Skipp_OSX> PulkoMandy: yeah, I noticed, thank you, filling out the storage kit![21:43:12] <Skipp_OSX> PulkoMandy: I could fill out those methods more I suppose, but what you just did is fine, much better.[21:44:13] <PulkoMandy> well, if you have more to add, feel free to, but I think the complete explanation should go in BControl[21:45:01] <Skipp_OSX> PulkoMandy: In the BeBook, it is filled out in BView[21:45:23] *** cprodescu has quit IRC[21:45:27] *** eriaranth000 has joined #haiku[21:45:51] <PulkoMandy> yeah, that works too :)[21:46:10] <Skipp_OSX> PulkoMandy: okay, that works, I'll get to the V's eventually :)[21:46:14] <PulkoMandy> (but you're not allowed to look at the bebook when oing the haiku book :))[21:46:31] *** dru_ has joined #haiku[21:47:47] <Skipp_OSX> PulkoMandy: yeah yeah yeah, derived work and all, I know[21:52:39] <Skipp_OSX> PulkoMandy: also, I submitted a patch for one of your bugs: http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/7855[21:53:11] <Skipp_OSX> PulkoMandy: just sayin' :)[21:54:52] <PulkoMandy> oh, thanks :)[21:56:06] *** jmelesky has quit IRC[21:56:34] <CIA-35> Haiku: pulkomandy * r42696 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/deskbar/CalendarMenuWindow.cpp http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/42696 :[21:56:34] <CIA-35> Patch by jscipione : make sure deskbar calendar is always above deskbar. Thanks![21:56:34] <CIA-35> Fixes #7855.[21:59:16] <Skipp_OSX> PulkoMandy: nice![22:07:24] *** Pinaraf has joined #haiku[22:18:28] *** oco2 has joined #haiku[22:19:30] *** lollo64it has quit IRC[22:21:13] *** helf2 has joined #haiku[22:25:24] *** dru_ has quit IRC[22:29:25] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[22:30:54] *** bbjimmy has joined #haiku[22:31:52] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[22:32:01] *** cprodescu has joined #haiku[22:32:59] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[22:35:52] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[22:37:52] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[22:44:34] *** corn_man has quit IRC[22:55:43] *** MasterStarman has quit IRC[22:59:21] *** lollo64it has joined #haiku[23:02:15] *** kingxerxes has joined #haiku[23:15:13] *** kingxerxes has quit IRC[23:20:05] <CIA-35> Haiku: zooey * r42697 /haiku/trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs) http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/42697 :[23:20:05] <CIA-35> Apply patch by Hamish, closing #7947 - thanks![23:20:05] <CIA-35> * determine first day of week and draw calendarview accordingly[23:20:05] <CIA-35> * some cleanup: drop superfluous DateTimeView::Draw()[23:20:06] <CIA-35> * automatic whitespace cleanup[23:26:38] *** cprodescu has quit IRC[23:28:11] *** Colin_Finck|lap has quit IRC[23:41:30] *** eriaranth000 has quit IRC[23:41:47] *** eriaranth000 has joined #haiku[23:46:53] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[23:47:16] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[23:51:04] <HaikuUser> hi hi :D :D[23:55:55] <Duggan> hey[23:56:15] <Duggan> hey Skipp_OSX it looks to me like you're doing more work on Haiku than all the devs put together, you're doing great :)[23:56:42] <Duggan> seems every commit in the last week has your name in it somewhere lol[23:56:53] *** gouchi has quit IRC[23:57:24] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[23:57:24] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man