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[00:06:44] <CIA-35> Haiku: zooey * r42686 /haiku/trunk/src/preferences/locale/ (LanguageListView.cpp LanguageListView.h LocaleWindow.cpp) http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/42686  :
[00:06:45] <CIA-35> Improve drag'n'drop in Locale preflet:
[00:06:45] <CIA-35> * following a hint by Stephan: implement drawing of a drop target indicator,
[00:06:45] <CIA-35> a global one (bounds) for the available languages and an individual drop target
[00:06:45] <CIA-35> indicator ("between" the items) for the preferred languages
[00:06:45] <CIA-35> * fix drag'n'drop within preferred languages listview
[00:06:46] <CIA-35> * finish support for manipulating multiple items in preferred languages listview
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[00:45:51] <AlienSoldier> Steve Job is quiting Apple
[00:47:52] <Disreali> whaT??
[00:48:05] <Disreali> health reasons?
[00:48:19] <Disreali> url?
[00:49:13] <AlienSoldier> http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/24/us-apple-idUSTRE77N82K20110824
[00:49:39] <AlienSoldier> this smell like Jack Layton, probably healt reason
[00:49:55] <AlienSoldier> *health
[00:51:30] <Disreali> indeed
[00:53:30] <AlienSoldier> i don't think that this will make the stock drop much, but the anouncement of the successor might do that
[00:53:46] <AlienSoldier> Who know, perhaps JLG will take his chance
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[00:55:53] <stpere> AlienSoldier: yeah :-\
[00:56:04] <luroh> JLG as the new lord of Mordor? i doubt it
[00:56:26] <luroh> oh well
[00:56:31] <luroh> g'nite
[00:56:35] <stpere> nite!
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[00:57:20] <AlienSoldier> or a competitor could implant a mole to ruin Apple like i always suspected happened at Commodore (management can't be that stupid without evil intention behind it)
[00:59:45] <AlienSoldier> seem he will stay as administrator, Tim cook is said to be next to run the ship.
[01:00:33] <Disreali> you would be surprised
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[01:38:43] <CIA-35> Haiku: anevilyak * r42687 /haiku/trunk/build/jam/ReleaseBuildProfiles http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/42687  : Upped alpha profile image size to 750MB.
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[01:59:34] <HeTo> isn't an 80-minute cd 700 MB
[02:00:21] <HeTo> so no more Haiku alphas on cds?
[02:01:26] <mmadia> hopefully package management will bring the size back down, due to the compressed package format..
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[03:18:29] <HaikuUser> yo
[03:19:20] <HaikuUser> anyone here
[03:19:27] <stpere> of course!
[03:19:35] <HaikuUser> hehehe... just checking
[03:19:47] <stpere> :)
[03:21:32] <HaikuUser> ;)
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[04:18:08] <dobroerlanger> Hello. I can see a TV app in Haiku. Is it supposed to work with TV-tuners? Does it actually work?
[04:18:40] <Skipp_OSX> dobroerlanger: yes and no
[04:18:52] <dobroerlanger> :(
[04:18:54] <Skipp_OSX> dobroerlanger: or at least afaik it doesn't work
[04:19:22] <Skipp_OSX> dobroerlanger: sorry to disappoint, perhaps someone has some better explanation
[04:21:36] <dobroerlanger> Never mind. I just have an old computer with an old tv-card. That is weird but Haiku is the only OS it can boot. I hoped I could watch tv on it :)
[04:23:33] <Skipp_OSX> dobroerlanger: well, you could give it a show but I wouldn't get my hopes up
[04:29:14] <OmniMancer> try it
[04:29:26] <OmniMancer> I believe the supported tuners is rather sparse
[04:35:30] <dobroerlanger> "Can't find DVB node" etc. And Mythbuntu can't boot. Very sad.
[04:38:49] <Skipp_OSX> http://imagebin.org/169560 <-- something I am playing with
[04:39:22] <Skipp_OSX> For the uninitiated it is a scientific mode for Deskcalc
[04:45:10] <Skipp_OSX> comments?
[04:45:13] <Skipp_OSX> concerns?
[04:47:47] <OmniMancer> hmm
[04:47:58] <OmniMancer> would be interesting to back deskcalc with a scripting language
[04:48:00] <OmniMancer> or maxima
[04:48:47] <dobroerlanger> I see PI and don't see E.
[04:49:03] <Skipp_OSX> OmniMancer: um... wouldn't that just make it bc?
[04:49:15] <OmniMancer> it would make it more than bc
[04:49:21] <Skipp_OSX> dobroerlanger: I was thinking of replacing atan2 with E...
[04:49:26] <OmniMancer> if you allowed certain things
[04:49:36] <OmniMancer> Skipp_OSX: is exp e^x?
[04:49:44] <OmniMancer> where exp is the arg?
[04:49:52] <Skipp_OSX> E = x10^ not Euler's constant....
[04:49:58] <OmniMancer> oh
[04:49:59] <Skipp_OSX> OmniMancer: yup
[04:49:59] <OmniMancer> okay
[04:50:06] <OmniMancer> yea
[04:50:10] <Skipp_OSX> OmniMancer: exp is e*(x)
[04:50:15] <Skipp_OSX> exp(1) = e
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[04:50:22] <OmniMancer> you mean e^(x)
[04:50:33] <OmniMancer> its not multiplication
[04:50:34] <Skipp_OSX> OmniMancer: yes, sorry
[04:50:41] <Skipp_OSX> OmniMancer: that is what I mean, typo
[04:50:49] <Skipp_OSX> e^(x)
[04:50:49] <OmniMancer> what is BS?
[04:50:57] <Skipp_OSX> OmniMancer: backspace
[04:51:02] <Skipp_OSX> OmniMancer: that is already there
[04:51:17] <OmniMancer> yea but E is usually there on sharp scientific calc
[04:51:18] <OmniMancer> s
[04:51:58] <Skipp_OSX> OmniMancer: yeah, I will replace atan2 with E... I don't even know what atan2 does
[04:52:30] <dobroerlanger> You can find atan2 in wikipedia. But it is hardly ever used.
[04:52:32] <Skipp_OSX> I know that it is a 2 argument arctangent, but I have no idea what is is for, never heard of it outside of deskcalc/mapm
[04:52:47] <polifasio> Skipp_OSX: my take is that once you make it this featureful, you should start considering adding a menu where you can setup options, with things like copy and paste, and maybe with ability to save "paper tape"
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[04:53:16] <Skipp_OSX> polifasio: send patches :)
[04:53:55] <polifasio> hey, you post a screenshot, not a svn
[04:54:06] <Skipp_OSX> technically the ! doesn't work right now so I could get rid of it if I don't implement it
[04:54:27] <Skipp_OSX> but the π key does work, I implemented that
[04:54:39] <dobroerlanger> To be honest I don't see any reason to make a "supreme calc". It is usually faster to take your smartphone or open terminal and use what you like.
[04:55:16] <Skipp_OSX> dobroerlanger: well, deskcalc supports all this stuff already, I am just providing an interface to access the features more easily
[04:56:17] <polifasio> ummm. To be honest I don't see any reason to use a word processor. It is usually faster to take a pen and paper and jot something down.
[04:56:32] <OmniMancer> its a convenience I think
[04:56:40] <dobroerlanger> Ok. But if you're working on interface, do something with that gross replicant icon. It looks awful on the face of deskcalc
[04:57:09] <dobroerlanger> polifasio, what about backspace? :)
[04:57:10] <polifasio> dobroerlanger: that's not a deskcalc thing
[04:57:28] <polifasio> scratch scratch
[04:57:38] <polifasio> liquid paper
[04:57:42] <OmniMancer> polifasio: when you don't want to jot something down you want a word or document processor
[04:57:50] <polifasio> rip out the offending part
[04:58:31] <Skipp_OSX> dobroerlanger: the little hand?
[04:59:23] <polifasio> I might be showing my age here, but in no way is getting a processor up and running, typing stuff, and then printing it out, any faster than jotting it on a post it.
[04:59:37] <dobroerlanger> yep. It is little but it looks alien on such neat buttons ;_;
[04:59:40] <polifasio> Skipp_OSX: I think it's meant to be an itty wrench
[05:00:29] <OmniMancer> polifasio: I am not saying you should use a word processor for jotting notes, you should use it for writing reports
[05:00:36] <polifasio> I think that replicant thingy is still one of the most useful features of any app that sport it
[05:00:59] <Skipp_OSX> polifasio: well whatever, I am not taking that out, I don't need to start a holy war, besides, it is useful
[05:01:03] <OmniMancer> you could possibly override BDragger and give it a different icon?
[05:01:29] <polifasio> Skipp_OSX: umm. I think you got it mixed up. I am FOR the replicant thingy
[05:01:48] <Skipp_OSX> polifasio: oh, okay, sorry, well, in that case don't worry, I won't touch it :)
[05:01:48] <OmniMancer> someone wanted it to look less obtrusive
[05:03:12] <Skipp_OSX> OmniMancer: well, it could be placed better, although I don't have any good ideas
[05:05:48] <polifasio> like the kde cashew? http://kde-look.org/CONTENT/content-m1/m91009-1.png
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[05:10:10] <Skipp_OSX> polifasio: I don't understand how that helps... you mean replace the hand (or wrench or whatever) with a cashew?
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[05:23:28] <polifasio> actually, what I meant was that the kde cashew is another idea that is not good :P
[05:25:35] <polifasio> I'm trying to think of examples of draggables that are not ugly. I can't think of many. Maybe the URL favicons, or draggable titlebar icons, like on the corner of Windows' windows. Or Zeta's icon on the far right of menu bars. That last one was probably the oddest one.
[05:39:15] <Skipp_OSX> factorial support is a go!
[05:41:43] <Skipp_OSX> ... perhaps I should make a patch just for that, since it is useful even without a button
[05:42:21] <OmniMancer> how did they screw up factorial?
[05:43:10] <OmniMancer> brb
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[05:44:48] <Skipp_OSX> OmniMancer: didn't screw it up, it just wasn't implemented
[05:47:40] <Skipp_OSX> You can even calculate π! = 1.0875234426
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[05:54:20] <Skipp_OSX> OmniMancer: factorial isn't implemented, I implemented it
[05:55:02] <OmniMancer> ah
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[06:34:51] <Skipp_OSX> shoot, locked up Haiku...
[06:35:26] <Skipp_OSX> don't try and calculate tan(pi/2)! it is large :)
[06:38:03] <scgtrp> that... shouldn't lock up the whole os
[06:38:18] <Skipp_OSX> scgtrp: well, I think it was calculating...
[06:38:35] <Skipp_OSX> scgtrp: and while the OS wasn't locked up, it was struggling
[06:40:47] <Skipp_OSX> scgtrp: It was trying to calculate ∞! which will take a while
[06:41:03] <scgtrp> pfft, that's easy. it's 4
[06:41:31] <Skipp_OSX> scgtrp: I was thinking of implementing ∞ support in Deskcalc
[06:41:51] <Skipp_OSX> scgtrp: it actually wouldn't be that hard and could be useful
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[06:50:57] <Duggan> any ops know what's going on with echelog?
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[07:03:34] <Duggan> geist, Sikosis, anybody home?
[07:03:34] <Duggan> geist, Sikosis, anybody home?
[07:03:34] <Duggan> geist, Sikosis, anybody home?
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[07:04:57] <geist> sup
[07:04:57] <geist> sup
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[07:05:15] <geist> not sure kicking that would help
[07:05:22] <Mazon> fixing it ...
[07:06:15] <Duggan> thanks :)
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[08:58:43] <Skipp_OSX> well, I need to shutdown now. Lightning storm outside
[08:58:50] <Skipp_OSX> g
[08:58:53] <Skipp_OSX> g'night all
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[11:16:06] <Teknomancer> Morning
[11:16:47] <Androo> Howdy Teknomancer.
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[12:31:19] <mmu_man> Everyone please explain @NeelieKroesEU all the bad things #steevejobs has really done to the digital world! #BashNeelie :-P
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[13:00:15] * Androo wishes he could understand why Haiku isn't installing on one of his systems :/
[13:02:27] <dobroerlanger> Use debug options during boot.
[13:03:21] <Androo> It don't boot.  Strange, actually ... LiveCD boots fine, install goes fine, but the bootloader can't find the Haiku install.
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[13:05:51] <dobroerlanger> Try to insert LiveCD, press space and boot from Hard Disk.
[13:08:10] <Androo> LiveCD doesn't show it either.  Also, if I use the bootloader installed to the hard disk, the Haiku LiveCD is also not an option (not so if I use the bootloader from the CD).
[13:11:38] <Androo> If I boot to the LiveCD after the install, DriveSetup no longer shows a Haiku volume.
[13:13:44] <CIA-35> wxWidgets Toolkit for Haiku: mrNoisy * r70 /wx/trunk/ (13 files in 4 dirs)  : Cumulative commit. It's just small part of the task to get working wxUniversal GUI controls.
[13:15:28] <Teknomancer> wx Widgets in Haiku?
[13:15:30] <Teknomancer> interesting..
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[17:00:54] <zgaga> any expert on audio programming with haiku here?
[17:01:55] <Disreali> not really.  it might be best to post to one of the mail lists  http://www.haiku-os.org/community/ml
[17:02:19] <Disreali> most likely the dev list
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[17:03:18] <zgaga> does hook function for BStreamingGameSound run in separate thread from main program?
[17:03:34] <Disreali> no idea
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[17:04:29] <Disreali> again, I would suggest asking your questions on the dev mail list
[17:04:43] <zgaga> yes
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[18:37:14] <CIA-35> Haiku: korli * r42688 /haiku/trunk/src/ (7 files in 3 dirs) http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/42688  : Patch from Gabriel Hartmann for his GSoC UVC project. Coding style updates by myself. Thanks!
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[21:54:42] <CIA-35> HaikuPorts: scottmc * r1769 /haikuports/trunk/dev-util/bsdbuild/ (. bsdbuild-2.9.bep patches/ patches/bsdbuild-2.9.patch) http://ports.haiku-files.org/changeset/1769  : Initial patch and bep for building bsdbuild, may not be working yet, haven't tested it.
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[22:21:01] <CIA-35> Haiku: zooey * r42689 /haiku/trunk/src/preferences/locale/LanguageListView.cpp http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/42689  :
[22:21:01] <CIA-35> * improve look of drop target indicator in Locale prefs, as it was too ugly even for
[22:21:01] <CIA-35> my not so visually inclined taste - we now use a gradient which IMHO gives much
[22:21:01] <CIA-35> more pleasant results
[22:21:02] <CIA-35> * add TODO about whether or not code for drawing drop target inidicators should be
[22:21:02] <CIA-35> added to ControlLook (or some other class with similar purpose)
[22:22:12] <x3nU> hello
[22:22:15] <x3nU> i have problem
[22:22:19] <x3nU> some old sdl games
[22:22:21] <x3nU> made for beos
[22:22:30] <x3nU> like for example wolf3d
[22:22:37] <x3nU> or rocks'n'diamonds
[22:22:41] <x3nU> or kobodeluxe
[22:22:43] <x3nU> works only
[22:22:48] <x3nU> if executed from
[22:22:49] <x3nU> terminal
[22:22:57] <x3nU> is there any way to fix it?
[22:23:24] <x3nU> i don't know if sdl games made for haiku have this problem
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[22:30:43] <x3nU> anyone's there?
[22:31:24] <PulkoMandy> yes
[22:31:38] <PulkoMandy> this is a classical problem with bad ports
[22:32:12] <PulkoMandy> basically, starting an app from tracker makes it run with ~/home as its working directory, and most linux apps don't expect being run that way
[22:32:30] <PulkoMandy> it needs some work to do a clean port, and people are too lazy to do it unfortunately
[22:33:25] <x3nU> is there better workaround than making shell script to run application?
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[22:34:07] <PulkoMandy> maybe using xicon
[22:34:18] <PulkoMandy> but it's mostly the same as a shellscript
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[22:43:18] <x3nU> so there's no way to hide terminal when running such application?
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[22:58:51] <Ziusudra> x3nU, you try spawning the game in it's own thread (which I forget how to do) and exitting the terminal
[22:59:50] <Ziusudra> there is also the "hey" command which might be able to just hide the terminal window, but I also forget how to use that
[23:00:00] <Ziusudra> helpfull, aren't I
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[23:11:41] <Anarchos> Ziusudra i did it to launch latex in command line without a Terminal
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[23:15:12] <Anarchos> Ziusudra you do it with execve()
[23:21:26] <Ziusudra> Anarchos, were talking about how to do it from a bash script
[23:21:56] <Anarchos> Ziusudra you can just put "open prog" in your script, it will open every kind of app or document
[23:22:48] <Ziusudra> or append an & to the end of the command
[23:23:16] <Ziusudra> that will let the script continue without waiting for the game to return
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