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[01:03:26] <Duggan> those survey results are pretty interesting, but not very surprising...
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[01:11:36] <Disreali> Welcome to the Land of Oz
[01:12:35] <Disreali> <smalprint> beware flying monkeys. </smallprint>
[01:16:42] <Duggan> hehe hey Disreali
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[01:49:46] <me-alone> hi...is there a time line for haiku stable release ..?
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[01:54:21] <Duggan> nope... just when it's ready
[01:55:19] <me-alone> Duggan, any spaculation..?
[01:55:45] <Duggan> nope
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[01:56:22] <Duggan> next release will likely be the first beta, and who knows how many of those we'll go through before R1
[01:57:44] <me-alone> i am really excited . i loved bebox I want to try something new other than windows
[01:57:59] <Duggan> you can use it already :) it's my primary OS
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[01:59:31] <me-alone> i will must give it a try on my spare hardware
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[02:03:05] <Duggan> if you need any help, feel free to ask
[02:03:46] <me-alone> does it has its boot loader
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[02:10:57] <Duggan> it does but I've heard some people are having some troubles with it at present, but give it a shot anyway
[02:12:50] <Duggan> I don't use it myself, I use the windows one, it works fine for me
[02:13:34] <Duggan> (the one Vista uses)
[02:13:46] <OmniMancer> hmm?
[02:14:14] <Duggan> boot loaders
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[02:17:32] <sikosis> hey all ... if you have a flash enabled machine ... we're kicking off Haiku Down Under shortly -> http://haikudownunder.com/
[02:19:54] <OmniMancer> ironic that a haiku conference cannot be watched in haiku :P
[02:20:58] <mmadia> and is IRC via #haiku-au, sikosis?
[02:22:49] <OmniMancer> I guess there isn't a #haiku-nz as it would contain all of 1 or two people :P
[02:23:15] <mmadia> you and gabriel? :)
[02:28:18] <sikosis> yep mmadia .... have to be in the channel for the prizes :)
[02:28:24] <sikosis> about to start
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[02:34:35] <mmadia> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/haiku-down-under-2011 is the direct link to the UStream for Haiku Down Under.
[02:36:48] <Duggan> I'd LOVE to watch.... but I'm in Haiku :P
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[02:58:38] <silvertip257> I downloaded a copy of Haiku R1Alpha3 (anyboot) and attempted to boot it in VMware. It boots fine, but does not detect the network card (and it seems I'm not the only one to find this out). https://www.haiku-os.org/documents/user/how_to_install_beos_under_vmware - any work arounds?
[02:59:02] <umccullough> use the vmx we provide
[02:59:13] <umccullough> it changes the network chip in vmware to ipro1000 instead of vlance/pcnet
[02:59:21] <silvertip257> ahhh
[02:59:23] <silvertip257> great
[02:59:26] <umccullough> the nightly images include a driver for that chip, but not a3
[02:59:34] <silvertip257> I see
[03:00:20] <umccullough> btw, we do provide vmware images
[03:04:33] <silvertip257> yes - I saw that, but I prefer to find out how well an OS supports hardware.
[03:04:52] <umccullough> ok
[03:05:04] <umccullough> keep in mind, our vmware images are the exact same, with a vmdk header tacked onto the front
[03:05:12] <silvertip257> ah
[03:05:13] <umccullough> so, it's not anything special
[03:05:29] <umccullough> the vmx is the only thing that's "unique" per-se
[03:06:39] <umccullough> but yeah, i use anyboot images on usb sticks for all my hardware testing ;)
[03:06:54] <jrabbit> yay libptp2 chdk merged
[03:08:37] <silvertip257> umccullough: yeah - that's what I'm thinking. Might try Haiku on an Asus eee pc once I replace the hard drive.
[03:08:48] <silvertip257> (boot via USB + install)
[03:10:31] <umccullough> i almost bought another asus netbook today...
[03:10:38] <umccullough> $99 at best buy for an open-box 10.1"
[03:10:46] <umccullough> but... well i was looking for touchpads ;)
[03:11:00] <umccullough> haiku runs awesome on my Acer Aspire One
[03:12:25] <silvertip257> I got this netbook because the owner gave the hdd a hard shock/hit ... doesn't have the reinstall disk
[03:12:45] <umccullough> yeah, i don't think my aa1 came with a reinstall disc either
[03:12:52] <silvertip257> so yeah I'm going to probably toss a Linux distro (and maybe Haiku) on it now ... well when I have a new hdd
[03:13:10] <umccullough> not sure about the eeepc's, but haiku generally runs well on the atoms
[03:13:22] <umccullough> it runs decently on my atom330 box too
[03:13:25] <silvertip257> that eee pc has dual 1.2 atoms
[03:13:33] <silvertip257> 1.2 GHz
[03:13:38] <umccullough> dual?
[03:13:42] <umccullough> maybe hyperthreaded...
[03:13:49] <silvertip257> I believe so - yeah probably HT
[03:14:01] <umccullough> yeah, my aa1 is an N270 hyperthreaded
[03:14:11] <umccullough> the atom330 is dual core, and I have a D510 which is dual core
[03:14:42] <umccullough> dual core hyperthreaded, so it shows 4 processors in haiku :D
[03:14:47] <silvertip257> hehe
[03:16:41] <silvertip257> To get other applications (Firefox, etc) I need to check out BeBits? If there's docs on this point me to them.
[03:17:05] <umccullough> installoptionalpackage bezillabrowser
[03:17:11] <silvertip257> ah
[03:17:25] <umccullough> it's pretty old though
[03:17:34] <umccullough> based on firefox2
[03:17:49] <umccullough> bebits or haikuware if you wanna find stuff
[03:17:49] <silvertip257> ah -- DeerPark probably
[03:17:53] <umccullough> yep
[03:18:09] <umccullough> installoptionalpackage has a few maintained apps
[03:18:20] <umccullough> i think if you run it standalone it provides a list of apps
[03:18:26] <umccullough> like git, cvs, etc
[03:18:26] <jrabbit> silvertip257: I'd recommend webpositive or arora/qt
[03:18:39] <umccullough> yeah, web+ should come with haiku already
[03:18:45] <umccullough> at least, the a3
[03:18:48] <silvertip257> jrabbit: yeah Arora on Linux is awesome
[03:18:56] <umccullough> web+ is also based on webkit
[03:18:58] <silvertip257> so I would figure it's great on Haiku
[03:19:04] <silvertip257> yep web+ is on the image already
[03:19:24] <jrabbit> silvertip257: web+ holds its own for most stuff.
[03:19:51] <umccullough> it renders pretty well at least ;)
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[03:20:21] * silvertip257 says time to order the hdd so I can start installing operating systems on it
[03:20:42] <umccullough> my aa1 has a 160gb in it
[03:20:51] <umccullough> it has linux, winxp, and several versions of haiku ;)
[03:21:00] <silvertip257> that's what I"ll probably buy or maybe something bigger if the price is right
[03:21:16] <umccullough> i installed haiku's bootloader menu
[03:21:20] <umccullough> so it's the real deal
[03:21:22] <silvertip257> oh another question - what does the file system support look like ... heck I don't know what Haiku uses as a default fs
[03:21:31] <umccullough> haiku uses BFS
[03:21:38] <umccullough> or rather, openbfs
[03:21:52] <umccullough> it supports read support on ext2/3 and maybe 4
[03:21:58] <umccullough> also read support on btrfs i think
[03:22:02] <umccullough> and reiserfs
[03:22:09] <umccullough> write support on fat
[03:22:18] <umccullough> and i think it supports read/write on ntfs now
[03:22:31] <silvertip257> sweet
[03:22:36] <umccullough> we might even have write support on ext2, not sure
[03:22:54] <umccullough> furthermore, there is a FUSE driver for BFS on linux
[03:23:02] <umccullough> so you can read/write haiku's filesystem
[03:23:33] <umccullough> bbiab
[03:24:31] <silvertip257> that's nice that there's a FUSE driver for Linux. I was going to ask something to that effect.
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[03:25:10] <silvertip257> well thanks for the info - I'll probably be back once I: 1- get a new drive, 2- install all my OSes ;)
[03:25:56] <jrabbit> I don't tihnk you need the FUSE fs the kernel has support iirc
[03:26:00] <jrabbit> maybe not write though
[03:26:05] <silvertip257> ah
[03:26:36] <silvertip257> Haiku doesn't happen to support LVM in any way does it?
[03:26:36] <umccullough> yeah, the old befs driver for linux is readonly
[03:26:41] <umccullough> nope
[03:26:43] <silvertip257> hehe
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[03:26:52] <silvertip257> my OS install was going to be on LVM on the eee pc
[03:27:41] <umccullough> haiku understands primary and extended partitions, but not much else
[03:27:53] <umccullough> i think it can handle GPT vs MBR as well
[03:29:12] <jrabbit> yay gpt :P
[03:30:23] <silvertip257> meh not a big problem ... I'll just have to resize my LVM phys vol if I need more space :D
[03:30:52] <silvertip257> thanks for the info guys - good night
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[04:27:58] <Xeon4D> 'Evening.
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[04:57:20] <Nozy> hey
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[05:04:23] <CIA-35> Haiku: kallisti5 * r42652 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/graphics/radeon_hd/driver.cpp http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/42652 : * a few additions to the PCI ID list
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[05:07:45] <diegoviola> hi
[05:07:48] <diegoviola> i want to try haiku
[05:08:01] <diegoviola> should i try the latest images in haiku-os.org?
[05:08:07] <diegoviola> or there is nightly builds?
[05:08:07] <umccullough> great news! we aren't going to stop you!
[05:08:19] <umccullough> you can try the alpha3 from http://haiku-os.org/get-haiku
[05:08:23] <stpere> umccullough: :)
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[05:08:26] <umccullough> or, the nightlies from http://haiku-files.org
[05:08:37] <diegoviola> ty
[05:09:47] <umccullough> more links in the topic :)
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[05:17:03] <diegoviola> ty
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[05:56:28] <OmniMancer> hi Disreali
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[06:29:33] <OmniMancer> hi Disreali
[06:29:43] <Disreali> hey there
[06:31:09] <Disreali> I just found out I miss the 'haiku down under' web conference :(
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[07:25:04] <diegoviola> how do i change the desktop resolution in haiku?
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[07:46:43] <umccullough> diegoviola, screen preferences
[07:46:51] <umccullough> click leaf menu, preferences->screen
[07:47:18] <diegoviola> ty
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[07:54:14] <diegoviola> i've tried haiku
[07:54:19] <diegoviola> i'm impressed
[07:54:26] <diegoviola> is anyone here using it as a primary OS?
[08:03:34] <diegoviola> it feels very nice and well integrated, the system itself, but i can't use it as my primary OS until i can do the following:
[08:05:07] <diegoviola> for laptops and such
[08:05:41] <diegoviola> other than that i don't know...
[08:05:58] <OmniMancer> python is there
[08:06:01] <OmniMancer> vim is too
[08:06:13] <OmniMancer> I think someone go ruby to build
[08:06:28] <OmniMancer> and I believe there is a latex port too
[08:06:42] <diegoviola> i actually don't need firebug
[08:06:45] <diegoviola> i can do without
[08:06:50] <jrabbit> ruby is an opt pkg
[08:07:20] <diegoviola> and vaapi/vdpau i don't need actually, i don't mind using my cpu
[08:07:22] <diegoviola> for movies
[08:09:30] <OmniMancer> that said I don't expect you to use it as your only OS :P
[08:11:38] <diegoviola> :)
[08:13:47] <diegoviola> ty
[08:14:47] <diegoviola> i actually don't need flash at all
[08:14:51] <diegoviola> i hate that flash thing
[08:15:05] <diegoviola> wget and mplayer for flash/youtube videos is fine, or even html5
[08:15:19] <diegoviola> i don't even have flash on linux installed
[08:15:49] <diegoviola> i treat flash as a virus
[08:19:45] <diegoviola> well not like that sorry :D
[08:19:57] <diegoviola> but i don't like it
[08:20:16] <diegoviola> anyways i'm happy to see haiku progressing
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[10:25:57] <Nozy> hey all
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[11:43:41] <CIA-35> Haiku: phoudoin * r42653 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/debugger/user_interface/gui/teams_window/TeamsListView.cpp http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/42653 :
[11:43:41] <CIA-35> Now always retrieve the team icon from the first B_APP_IMAGE image entry_ref.
[11:43:41] <CIA-35> Using team_info.args as before was not safe: when truncated, the
[11:43:41] <CIA-35> entry_ref could be an intermediate folder, which display a folder
[11:43:41] <CIA-35> icon as team's icon!
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[11:50:30] <DosAmp> has anyone had success in enabling sound with the Intel AC97 Driver on an old Intel ICH2 chipset? the sound chip is listed in listdev and under /dev/audio/hmulti/auich, all volume controls are at 100%, MediaPlayer succeeds in playing a WAV file, but there is no audible output
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[11:58:57] <DosAmp> okay, the media server just crashed, there must be something going really wrong
[12:00:46] <farhaven> just a dumb question... are your speakers on and turned up?
[12:01:36] <PulkoMandy> if the default driver doesn't work, you can try removing it and sing OSS instead
[12:03:32] <DosAmp> farhaven: yes they are, the best proof having heard sounds on Windows while burning the Haiku image ;)
[12:03:47] <farhaven> hehe
[12:09:11] <DosAmp> on Alpha 2 I had once the rare occurance of sound shortly working with VLC (OpenAL), but I haven't had the pleasure of it working again in a long time :(
[12:11:12] <CIA-35> Haiku: zooey * r42654 /haiku/trunk/src/preferences/locale/LanguageListView.h http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/42654 : Minor cleanup: match indentation level with styleguide.
[12:13:46] <phoudoin> DosAmp: sounds like a known issue indeed, and alas not yet resolved
[12:14:21] <phoudoin> Your best chance is to switch to OSS driver (it's an optional package IIRC now)
[12:15:07] <DosAmp> okay, installing OSS right now
[12:15:11] <jrabbit> http://www.addedbytes.com/blog/if-php-were-british/ hehe
[12:16:05] <DosAmp> the comments on OSS confuse me, shall i extract the zip file into /boot or /?
[12:16:44] <DosAmp> ah, there is also a "home" directory under /boot, so I guess the first
[12:19:00] <PulkoMandy> jrabbit: you know wxWidgets has both wxColor and wxColour classes, right ? :)
[12:19:05] <DosAmp> (and that's my home directory ... nevermind, I am just a little dumb Linux user)
[12:19:18] <jrabbit> PulkoMandy: so wrong.
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[12:27:37] <CIA-35> Haiku: zooey * r42655 /haiku/trunk/src/preferences/locale/LanguageListView.cpp http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/42655 :
[12:27:37] <CIA-35> Drop TODO since the commented code doesn't have any effect and nothing else seems to be
[12:27:37] <CIA-35> missing either.
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[13:39:58] <DosAmp> hm ... the OSS drivers have a certain tendency to stutter, but they work most of the time :)
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[13:59:55] <KAZENOMANAZAS> Nya!
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[14:01:37] <Anarchos> hi KAZENOMANAZAS
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[14:03:47] <KAZENOMANAZAS> Hello!
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[14:05:19] <KAZENOMANAZAS> Oh...
[14:06:21] <Anarchos> KAZENOMANAZAS you've got a friend :)
[14:07:06] <KAZENOMANAZAS> I hope so!
[14:07:24] <KAZENOMANAZAS> But friend still silent
[14:08:24] <Anarchos> I have UsePrivateHeaders [ FDirName kernel disk_device_manager ] ; in Jamfile, but no disk_device_manager in the '-I' option while compiling, why ?
[14:08:49] <KAZENOMANAZAS> Dunno
[14:09:08] <KAZENOMANAZAS> I'm only running Haiku OS sometimes on VirtualBox
[14:09:25] <OmniMancer> Anarchos: check how UsePrivateHeaders is defined?
[14:09:30] <KAZENOMANAZAS> Just wanted to taste something new
[14:09:40] <Anarchos> OmniMancer it seems correct ?
[14:11:46] <Anarchos> OmniMancer it is defined in HeadersRules which i didn't modified
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[14:12:04] <OmniMancer> I didn't say you did
[14:12:15] <OmniMancer> just you might not be using the rule as intended...
[14:12:22] <OmniMancer> but I don't know
[14:12:35] <mmadia> can i see the code, Anarchos?
[14:13:06] <mmadia> and i'm not sure what you mean by 'but no disk_device_manager in the '-I' option while compiling'
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[14:16:05] <Anarchos> mmadia gcc -I.... <-- these lines don't content -I/kernel/driver/disk_device_manager
[14:16:19] <Anarchos> mmadia which code do you want to see ?
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[14:17:39] <mmadia> is this for building the buildtools for sparc?
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[14:18:54] <Anarchos> mmadia the buildtools are built, it is for compiling haiku
[14:19:34] <mmadia> as a basic 101 question, is the correct version of jam's installed? :)
[14:21:34] <CIA-35> Haiku: siarzhuk * r42656 /haiku/vendor/freebsd/current/dev/de/ (. dc21040reg.h if_de.c if_devar.h) http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/42656 : Going to merge support of DEC 21140 (Tulip) into dec21xxx driver.
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[14:25:25] <CIA-35> Haiku: siarzhuk * r42657 /haiku/vendor/freebsd/RELEASE_8_2_0/dev/de/ http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/42657 : tagging DEC 21143 support in RELEASE_8_2_0
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[14:27:12] <Anarchos> mmadia no idea !
[14:27:24] <mmadia> > jam -v
[14:27:25] <mmadia> Jam 2.5-haiku-20090626. OS=HAIKU. Copyright 1993-2002 Christopher Seiwald.
[14:27:39] <Anarchos> yes it is
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[14:29:23] <mmadia> forgive me... coffee hasn't kicked in yet. so, how are you getting to that issue?
[14:29:48] <Anarchos> mmadia i launch jam in src/system/boot/loader
[14:31:05] <mmadia> and the error?
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[14:35:04] <Anarchos> mmadia well it finds it sorry, just the old error about NAME_MAX not found
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[14:45:56] <me-alone> why dont haiku developers post video previews of haiku on youtube..?
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[14:47:16] <mmadia> Anarchos : this may help -- http://www.freelists.org/post/haiku-development/PATCH-Buildutils-on-Solaris-was-Buildutils-on-powerpc,2
[14:48:33] <mmadia> so, in BeOSBuildCompatibility.h, you may indeed need something like ...
[14:48:42] <Anarchos> mmadia thanks a lot, i will compare with my own modifs
[14:49:05] <mmadia> # if (defined HAIKU_HOST_PLATFORM_SUNOS || defined HAIKU_HOST_PLATFORM_SPARC ))
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[14:49:43] <mmadia> if you want, you could reply to ingo, with that email archive and ask for clarification.
[14:50:04] <Anarchos> mmadia thanks a lot
[14:50:43] <OmniMancer> mmadia defined is a function like operator
[14:51:06] <mmadia> that shows how much i code in c/c++ ;)
[14:51:46] <OmniMancer> also you have a spurious )
[14:51:58] <OmniMancer> but it does get across what you meant :D
[14:52:36] <CIA-35> Haiku: siarzhuk * r42658 /haiku/trunk/src/ (9 files in 5 dirs) http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/42658 : (log message trimmed)
[14:52:36] <CIA-35> * FreeBSD compatibility layer for network drivers is modified to handle
[14:52:36] <CIA-35> NULL-terminated list of driver_t* entries instead of single entry.
[14:52:36] <CIA-35> That allows to combine multiple FreeBSD drivers into single Haiku
[14:52:36] <CIA-35> driver add-ons;
[14:52:37] <CIA-35> * Support for DEC 21140 (Tulip) chipsets (provided by the 'de' driver)
[14:52:38] <CIA-35> incorporated into dec21xxx driver. That brings network connectivity to
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[15:07:45] <CIA-35> Haiku: phoudoin * r42659 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/debugger/user_interface/gui/teams_window/TeamsListView.cpp http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/42659 :
[15:07:45] <CIA-35> Followed Ingo's suggestion: use private get_app_ref(). This reduce code duplication.
[15:07:45] <CIA-35> Thanks.
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[15:24:44] <me-alone> hi
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[15:33:02] <me-alone> anybody here who is on haiku right now..??
[15:34:41] <PulkoMandy> sure
[15:35:54] <me-alone> PulkoMandy, what irc client is avilable for haiku , are you running it on actual hardware or VM
[15:38:43] <OmniMancer> Vision is included with haiku
[15:38:46] <OmniMancer> it is an IRC client
[15:39:36] <PulkoMandy> using it on real hardware
[15:39:41] <PulkoMandy> and yes, Vision works fine :)
[15:40:24] <me-alone> i am really excited to use haiku on my spare pc
[15:42:14] <CIA-35> Haiku: phoudoin * r42660 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/processcontroller/ (Jamfile Utilities.cpp) http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/42660 :
[15:42:14] <CIA-35> Fixed in ProcessController the same icon issue than in Debugger's running teams window.
[15:42:14] <CIA-35> Also get right of the ugly raster default app icon that was still used and visible in
[15:42:14] <CIA-35> memory & teams/threads submenus.
[15:42:27] <me-alone> its PIII 1ghz with 256 ram , sis 630 , cmedia 8738 sound card ethernet connecton
[15:44:31] <Anarchos> me-alone should run fine
[15:45:29] <me-alone> Anarchos, i wish there was a video installtion guide on youtube
[15:46:37] <PulkoMandy> well, it just needs 3 clicks
[15:46:39] <PulkoMandy> :)
[15:47:27] <me-alone> how stable it is right now..?
[15:48:04] <scgtrp> not-crashing stable or not-being-updated stable?
[15:48:19] <scgtrp> i haven't had many crashes that weren't my fault, but there were a couple
[15:48:48] <mmadia> me-alone http://haiku-screencasts.blogspot.com/ has some videos
[15:48:55] <me-alone> I loved Beos i will love haiku
[15:48:58] <PulkoMandy> it's good enough for using it as my main OS
[15:49:36] <me-alone> how many of you actully owned a bebox..??
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[15:50:20] <scgtrp> 'twas before my time, unfortunately :(
[15:54:47] <PulkoMandy> same for me
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[16:01:01] <OmniMancer> same for me
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[16:10:22] <CIA-35> Haiku: phoudoin * r42661 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/network/devices/dialup/dialup.cpp http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/42661 :
[16:10:22] <CIA-35> Fix gcc 4.5.2 build (unused static function is now an error).
[16:10:22] <CIA-35> No functional change, sorry.
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[16:27:14] <mmadia> any freebsd users around? i'm having trouble fixing a filesystem that won't mount.
[16:28:29] <HeTo> I use FreeBSD on my server
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[16:31:47] <mmadia> basically, /dev/ad12 which is UFS refuses to mount.
[16:32:49] <mmadia> # mount /dev/ad12 /mnt/whimper/
[16:32:50] <mmadia> mount: /dev/ad12 : Operation not permitted
[16:33:19] <mmadia> and that's within `sudo bash`
[16:35:46] <HeTo> dmesg could contain some info
[16:36:32] <HeTo> if it's really due to permissions it could be because the securelevel is raised, or because you're in a jail
[16:37:09] <HeTo> sysctl kern.securelevel should tell the securelevel
[16:37:44] <mmadia> http://pastebin.com/NBuvECPd
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[16:38:14] <HeTo> ah, run fsck as it tells you to
[16:38:18] <rennj> WARNING: R/W mount of /storage denied. Filesystem is not clean - run fsck
[16:38:23] <rennj> right in the message
[16:38:35] <rennj> enable softupdates next time
[16:38:45] <mmadia> how do i enable softupdates?
[16:38:52] <rennj> tunefs i beleive
[16:38:59] <rennj> /etc/fstab
[16:39:00] <HeTo> fsck first
[16:39:05] <rennj> been a while
[16:39:12] <HeTo> no editing of fstab required
[16:39:15] <rennj> yeah dont do softupdates till you fsck it
[16:39:52] <HeTo> if it's flagged to have softupdates with tunefs then it will always use them, but fsck first before turning them on
[16:40:31] <rennj> man smartos is looking sexy with kvm now
[16:40:45] <rennj> zfs,zones,dtrace and now kvm
[16:41:59] <rennj> haiku works on it
[16:42:11] <rennj> http://www.smartos.org/
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[16:42:56] <rennj> i actually may dump vmware ...testing the linux kvm out now...
[16:43:46] <rennj> qemu-system-x86_64 -m 512 -enable-kvm -soundhw hda -net user -net nic,model=rtl8139 -hda haiku.iso seems to work fine
[16:44:04] <rennj> i do have to restart media server for sound for some odd reason
[16:44:12] <HeTo> if the file system is in fstab it should have been checked on boot before trying to mount it
[16:44:45] <mmadia> HeTo : indeed, i needed to boot a live fs disk, in order to remove the entry from fstab.
[16:45:02] <rennj> heh
[16:45:17] <HeTo> but the last column will have to have a 1 or 2 for that (2 should be used for file systems other than /)
[16:45:18] <mmadia> atm, `fsck -t ufs /dev/ad12` is running
[16:45:46] <HeTo> mmadia: didn't the check succeed on boot?
[16:45:58] <mmadia> /dev/ad12 /storage ufs rw 3 3 #from /etc/fstab
[16:46:37] <mmadia> nope. it failed, causing / to be mounted RO.
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[16:47:57] <rennj> GPT LABEL error doesnt sound good either
[16:48:50] <HeTo> isn't that a file system on a whole disk?
[16:49:03] <rennj> geom is what mirror raid right
[16:49:09] <rennj> and encrypted disk shit
[16:49:38] <mmadia> http://pastebin.com/E1AnUxGj :(
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[16:52:04] <HeTo> the disk could be broken, but as long as you have backups of that, couldn't you just try answering y
[16:52:14] <rennj> fsck -y for that purpose
[16:52:20] <rennj> could be 1000's of prompts
[16:52:27] <HeTo> well yes if it gets lots of prompts
[16:52:43] <HeTo> running smartctl would be good too if it's available
[16:53:05] <rennj> resilver time
[16:53:08] <HeTo> smartctl -a /dev/ad12 and check if it says it's failing or passed and check if any of the values in the table are below threshold
[16:54:51] <mmadia> http://pastebin.com/AcpTkTS2
[16:56:09] <rennj> so you do have softupdates on... man fsck -p option
[16:56:25] <rennj> i used that but can recall what it does
[16:56:41] <mmadia> should i kill fsck -t ufs /dev/ad12 or let it finish?
[16:56:50] <HeTo> fsck -p won't be good now
[16:56:53] <rennj> preen
[16:57:02] <HeTo> fsck -p is what's done automatically during boot
[16:57:06] <rennj> is this a raid drive?
[16:57:19] <mmadia> nope. just a single drive.
[16:57:21] <HeTo> i.e. not check clean file systems or file systems with soft updates enabled
[16:57:55] <mmadia> iirc, one of those WD green drives that have the weird blocks that report to the OS as a different size.
[16:58:02] <rennj> 4k shit
[16:58:50] <rennj> 4k sector drives..more crap to know, gpt labels, uefi...bah
[16:59:30] <HeTo> you can use a regular MBR partition table on 4k drives just fine, as long as they're smaller than 2 TiB
[17:00:01] <HeTo> just DOS fdisk software and other software that aligns the partitions like it does will misalign the partitions
[17:00:02] <rennj> im still on 250GB, 5 years now
[17:00:15] <rennj> it hard living in that space
[17:00:37] <rennj> i been deleting for long time...movies first, then audio
[17:00:48] <rennj> books and computer stuff i never delete
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[17:04:09] <mmadia> http://pastebin.com/gcmgGKve = smartctl -a /dev/ad12
[17:05:33] <rennj> yeah thats another why are fsck /dev/ad12
[17:05:37] <rennj> yeah thats another why are fsck /dev/ad12a
[17:05:41] <rennj> grrr
[17:06:26] <HeTo> hm the drive seems to think it's alright at least
[17:06:36] <HeTo> yet fsck complains it can't read some blocks
[17:06:46] <rennj> fsck /dev/ad1a
[17:07:06] <mmadia> ad1a?
[17:07:30] <rennj> partion vs slice
[17:07:36] <rennj> /dev/ad12 is partition
[17:07:44] <rennj> but fbsd use slices inside partition
[17:07:53] <HeTo> ad12 is a disk
[17:07:53] <rennj> /dev/ad12a,b,c,d,e is partition
[17:08:15] <rennj> grrr
[17:08:23] <HeTo> ad12s1 would be a slice (PC partition)
[17:08:57] <HeTo> ad12s1a would be a BSD partition inside slice, ad12a would be a BSD partition directly on the disk
[17:09:07] <rennj> you know what i mean HeTo
[17:09:34] <HeTo> well it looks like the file system is directly on a raw disk
[17:09:47] <mmadia> i think it is, HeTo.
[17:09:49] <HeTo> otherwise the fsck wouldn't get started at all would it
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[17:11:46] <rennj> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/faq/disks.html
[17:11:52] <rennj> start reading
[17:12:50] <rennj> fbsd doesnt have simple "fdisk -l"
[17:13:13] <rennj> i got fbsd 5.4 vm but thats really before geom
[17:14:04] <mmadia> yeah, 8.2-RELEASE here.
[17:14:59] <rennj> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/disks-adding.html
[17:16:46] <mmadia> no, /dev/ad12 is a secondary disk. /dev/ad10 is my primary disk with ad10s1a as '/' and ad10s1d as /Build-O-Matic
[17:18:54] <rennj> so wouldnt you fsck /dev/ad12s1c or something like that
[17:19:37] <mmadia> no, iirc i created the filesystem directly on /dev/ad12. i forget the documentation that suggested that for the 4KB drive.
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[17:22:10] <rennj> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=bsdlabel&
[17:22:17] <rennj> says large drives use gpart
[17:22:27] <rennj> bsdlabel heh
[17:22:31] <rennj> been while
[17:23:14] <rennj> gpart recover
[17:23:24] <rennj> Recover corrupt partition's scheme metadata on the geom geom.
[17:23:25] <rennj> See the section entitled RECOVERING below for the additional
[17:23:25] <rennj> information.
[17:23:49] <rennj> gpart show
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[17:37:44] <rennj> gpart show -l ad12 ? show the layout?
[17:37:58] <rennj> geom, gpart look into those man pages for sure
[17:38:07] <mmadia> sorry, i stepped away, while letting fsck -y run.
[17:38:36] <rennj> cause bsdlabel doesnt do large drives i guess...i was just trying to figure the layout of drive
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[18:08:14] <CIA-35> Haiku: kallisti5 * r42662 /haiku/trunk/headers/private/graphics/common/video_electronics.h http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/42662 :
[18:08:14] <CIA-35> * add a new generic video electronics define,
[18:08:14] <CIA-35> this seems like it could be useful for more then
[18:08:14] <CIA-35> just radeon_hd.
[18:08:14] <CIA-35> * idea from linux drm driver
[18:08:14] <CIA-35> * feedback / flames welcome
[18:08:15] <CIA-35> * can move into radeon_hd private defines if requested
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[18:31:44] <CIA-35> Haiku: axeld * r42663 /haiku/trunk/src/preferences/time/ (AnalogClock.cpp AnalogClock.h) http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/42663 :
[18:31:45] <CIA-35> * Applied patch by hamish to fix layouting the clock.
[18:31:45] <CIA-35> * This closes #7937, thanks!
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[18:56:23] <me-alone> what is haiku
[18:58:49] <mmadia> http://www.haiku-os.org/about
[19:01:04] <me-alone> does it use linux kernel
[19:01:08] <phoudoin> nope
[19:01:29] <phoudoin> it has his own kernel, a fork from NewOS kernel
[19:01:39] <mmadia> http://www.haiku-os.org/about/faq
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[19:03:41] <CIA-35> Haiku: siarzhuk * r42664 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/network/dec21xxx/dev/ (dc/glue.c de/glue.c) http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/42664 : No functional changes. Code style violations fixes. Thanks to Axel for pointing out.
[19:06:10] <me-alone> phoudoin, i think ddevs are trying to build BeOS from scratch
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[19:08:33] <phoudoin> me-alone: I know
[19:08:37] <mmadia> btw, thanks rennj + HeTo. the machine's back online.
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[19:08:57] <rennj> what did you do to solve?
[19:09:02] <rennj> fsck -y was all
[19:09:04] <rennj> ?
[19:09:23] <mmadia> yeah, that had to be run twice and then gpart recover /dev/ad12
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[19:09:24] <phoudoin> mmadia: oh, so the window during which one could break everything without being noticed is closing!?
[19:09:44] <mmadia> yup :P
[19:09:48] <rennj> nice
[19:10:08] <phoudoin> okay, then I won't do another commit today :-)
[19:10:11] <mmadia> ... and cue the sound of thunder. :|
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[19:17:04] <Cian> mmadia APC time ;)
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[19:24:39] <CIA-35> Haiku: zooey * r42665 /haiku/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs) http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/42665 :
[19:24:39] <CIA-35> * add protected accessor for baseline offset to StringItem, as that value is of
[19:24:39] <CIA-35> interest to derived classes
[19:25:56] <CIA-35> Haiku: zooey * r42666 /haiku/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs) http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/42666 : * add predicate FormattingConventions::AreCountrySpecific()
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[19:31:54] <CIA-35> Haiku: zooey * r42667 /haiku/trunk/src/preferences/locale/ (LanguageListView.cpp LanguageListView.h LocaleWindow.cpp) http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/42667 : (log message trimmed)
[19:31:55] <CIA-35> Fix drawing artefacts in Locale prefs (and IMHO improve the look):
[19:31:55] <CIA-35> * separate LanguageListItemWithFlag from LanguageListItem
[19:31:55] <CIA-35> * draw the flag in front of the text instead of at wherever the right bounds happen to
[19:31:55] <CIA-35> be, fixing the drawing artefacts when scrolling
[19:31:55] <CIA-35> * size the flag to match the size of the list item, which looks much better when
[19:31:56] <CIA-35> using a largish default font
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[19:38:22] <CIA-35> Haiku: kallisti5 * r42668 /haiku/trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs) http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/42668 :
[19:38:22] <CIA-35> * add video_electronics.c
[19:38:22] <CIA-35> (.c to keep compatibility with older C accelerants)
[19:38:22] <CIA-35> * use functions for decoding video_electronics
[19:38:22] <CIA-35> * thanks for the guidance Axel!
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[20:49:53] <Chat9242> :D
[20:50:47] <Chat9242> hi
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[20:51:49] <ployea> :o)
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[21:05:07] <yourpalal> does Haiku Inc. have a dreamhost affiliate account? I'm thinking of signing up for hosting with them.
[21:05:49] <mmadia> .. affiliate account?
[21:06:03] <yourpalal> http://dreamhost.com/affiliates/
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[21:06:31] <yourpalal> Each referal gives the affiliate (eg Haiku Inc) $97
[21:06:39] <mmadia> * umccullough ?
[21:07:20] <yourpalal> I figure if I'm going to sign up with them anyway, I might as well take the opportunity to send some cash to my favourite FLOSS OS :)
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[21:10:45] <mmadia> http://www.dreamhost.com/r.cgi?375935
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[21:11:10] <yourpalal> awesome :)
[21:11:26] <mmadia> lemme look at the account some more first.
[21:12:25] <yourpalal> ok, I won't be doing it right away, but I wanted to check now in in case Haiku Inc hadn't signed up yet or something.
[21:14:12] <mmadia> "Clicks http://www.dreamhost.com/r.cgi?375935 and then signs up without entering any promo code or referrer"
[21:15:45] <mmadia> ok.. that should be it on Haiku, Inc.'s side.
[21:17:09] <yourpalal> awesome :)
[21:17:56] <mmadia> thanks :)
[21:19:29] <yourpalal> No problem :) It's a way for me to donate despite my cash-strappedness.
[21:21:24] <mmadia> `svn commit` is a good way to donate too :P
[21:22:53] <yourpalal> haha I know :P Hopefully I'll have some time to get back to work on Haiku soon
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[21:23:43] <yourpalal> My Haiku time for now is all going towards GSoC
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[23:17:52] <CIA-35> Haiku: kallisti5 * r42669 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/accelerants/radeon_hd/atombios/atom.cpp http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/42669 :
[23:17:52] <CIA-35> * remove tracing on AtomBIOS parser
[23:17:52] <CIA-35> * fix a few compile issues when tracing is disabled
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[23:29:06] <CIA-35> Haiku: kallisti5 * r42670 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/accelerants/radeon_hd/ (6 files in 2 dirs) http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/42670 :
[23:29:06] <CIA-35> * add gConnector for card connector storage
[23:29:06] <CIA-35> * add detect_connectors to detect card connectors
[23:29:06] <CIA-35> * add infinitely compex detect_connectors_manual
[23:29:06] <CIA-35> (used when detect_connectors fails)
[23:29:06] <CIA-35> * add missing AtomBIOS header
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[23:35:52] <CIA-35> Haiku: zooey * r42671 /haiku/trunk/src/preferences/time/ZoneView.cpp http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/42671 : Fix typo that (suprisingly only) broke the gcc4 build.
[23:37:53] <CIA-35> Haiku: zooey * r42672 /haiku/trunk/src/preferences/locale/LanguageListView.cpp http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/42672 : Follow hint by Marcus and make colors static *const*.
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[23:56:48] <jrabbit> the Libyian civil war may be over...
[23:57:54] <helf2> or close to it :)
[23:58:09] <helf2> they havent yet gotten to tripoli (as of an hour ago when i last saw a blurb..)
[23:58:12] <helf2> have they taken it yet?
[23:58:29] <jrabbit> helf2: Gaddafi's sons have saurrendered.
[23:58:36] <helf2> nice
[23:58:44] <jrabbit> conflicting reports on if gaddafi is dead
[23:59:03] <jrabbit> He just issued an audio message. (it didn't exactly confirm anything)
[23:59:46] <jrabbit> helf2: They took over the city from the inside in a coordinated assult, the rebel army is at green square by now :P
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