August 20, 2011 
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August 20, 2011 [00:04:42] *** brrant has quit IRC[00:05:13] *** Tukeke has left #haiku[00:05:39] <oco> Sjekkie : if you finish the ARM port, then maybe yes...[00:06:30] *** paul0 has quit IRC[00:09:19] <mmu_man> Sjekkie: not yet, but I do have one[00:10:01] *** Negr0 has joined #haiku[00:12:27] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[00:14:11] *** VNA9216_ has quit IRC[00:14:25] *** oco has quit IRC[00:18:12] *** Sjekkie has quit IRC[00:18:19] *** Sjekkie has joined #haiku[00:20:27] <Sjekkie> Is there still interest in a port or will all efika-porting focus to the new i.MX53 EFIKA once it comes out?[00:20:39] <jrabbit> http://twitter.github.com/bootstrap/ neat.[00:25:19] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[00:30:52] <Anarchos> Sjekkie do you work on arm port ?[00:31:20] <Sjekkie> no, I can't even code C, let alone ASM[00:31:30] <Anarchos> Sjekkie ok[00:31:45] <Anarchos> cause i have problems to locate standard headers for a SPARC port[00:32:04] <Sjekkie> couldn't help you there[00:32:14] <Anarchos> Sjekkie no problem[00:33:05] *** hoelzro has quit IRC[00:34:12] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[00:35:58] *** elliottcable is now known as able[00:41:08] <mmadia> Sjekkie -- fwiw, x86 will continue to be the main focus .. at least until R1 is out. but, patches are always welcome and contributors are always free to work on it.[00:42:29] <Anarchos> mmadia i wonder why a cross compiler doesn't find the "algorithm" include[00:43:44] * mmadia shrugs :)[00:43:50] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[00:44:00] <Anarchos> mmadia no idea ?[00:44:11] <Anarchos> mmadia it is a gcc 4.5.3 for sparc[00:44:27] <mmadia> aside from using haiku's build system, i haven't dabbled into the buildtools..[00:45:51] <Anarchos> mmadia i built it with ./configure --build-cross-tools-gcc4 sparc buildtools/[00:45:53] *** farhaven_ is now known as farhaven[00:47:56] <mmadia> maybe Sparc has the "algorithm" header under a different path?[00:48:21] <Anarchos> mmadia i don't think so, everything is at same place as others platforms[00:52:06] *** mint_ is now known as jackotheshadows[00:52:33] *** jackotheshadows has joined #haiku[01:03:53] *** sikosis has joined #haiku[01:03:54] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o sikosis[01:06:32] *** able is now known as elliottcable[01:08:53] *** Tukeke has joined #haiku[01:09:53] *** PasNox has quit IRC[01:09:53] *** Tukeke has left #haiku[01:13:19] *** judgen has quit IRC[01:13:42] *** judgen has joined #haiku[01:14:44] <CIA-35> Haiku: kallisti5 * r42644 /haiku/trunk/ (12 files in 3 dirs) http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/42644 : (log message trimmed)[01:14:44] <CIA-35> * introduce mc control calls[01:14:44] <CIA-35> * malloc storage for mc state info[01:14:44] <CIA-35> * redo pll range struct[01:14:44] <CIA-35> * change to ATOM_ENCODER_MODE for connector info[01:14:45] <CIA-35> * redo pll calculations to match AtomBIOS requirements[01:14:45] <CIA-35> * some structure changes[01:16:00] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[01:18:08] *** Sjekkie has quit IRC[01:19:09] *** hdanak has 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http://www.precentral.net/hp-begins-touchpad-liquidation-16gb-cut-99-32gb-149-1[03:22:13] <Disreali> btw, how are you these days?[03:22:36] <OmniMancer> I am okay[03:23:22] <Disreali> jrabbit; that is a nice deal[03:23:33] <jrabbit> Disreali: webos is being killed :P[03:23:42] * jrabbit is looking into buying one maybe[03:24:56] <Disreali> I readthat, but the touchpads would still be good at that price[03:26:30] <OmniMancer> can they run android though?[03:27:31] <Disreali> that was my thought also[03:28:16] <Disreali> if nothing else, it will run NetBSD soon, if it does not already[03:31:01] <jrabbit> OmniMancer: maybe. a generic linux definitely[03:31:05] <OmniMancer> the people who took the risk of buying it on launch day are all mad that others can now get it for a fraction of the price :P[03:31:22] <stpere> well, early adopters..[03:31:37] <jrabbit> early adopters of dead tech at that[03:31:38] <jrabbit> :)[03:31:46] <helf2> hi[03:32:00] <helf2> did they put out a 64gb touchpad?[03:32:13] <helf2> damn, i want a touchpad now that they will be cheap[03:33:17] <jrabbit> theres 16/32[03:36:20] <geist> nice thing about webos is it's relatively open[03:36:25] <geist> you can get a shell and poke around[03:36:36] <geist> downside with the touchpad is it's qualcomm based, so you can't really go in and compile a new kernel[03:36:39] <jrabbit> nice I guess you could chroot debian?[03:36:42] <geist> you can[03:37:26] <jrabbit> geist: oh does the snapdragon not have good ARM support?[03:38:06] *** judgen has quit IRC[03:38:33] <geist> a snapdragon is an arm[03:38:45] *** Negr0 has quit IRC[03:38:46] <geist> the soc however is highly proprietary[03:38:50] <geist> since it's from qualcomm[03:38:52] <jrabbit> geist: then why can't you just compile a new kernel? :p[03:38:58] <jrabbit> soc?[03:39:02] <geist> system on chip[03:39:06] <jrabbit> oh.[03:39:17] <geist> that's what us embedded folk call those sorts of things[03:39:44] <geist> you probably can build your own kernel, if you use the hpalm provided kernel patches[03:39:55] <jrabbit> ah[03:40:09] <geist> but it would be that exact version, probably without a lot of modifications or it'll get out of sync with the modem firmware and it wont boot anymore[03:40:29] <geist> qualcomm socs tend to be very tightly integrated with the modem (since they're primarily a radio company)[03:42:52] <jrabbit> well the touchpads are wifi.[03:42:57] <jrabbit> no modem[03:44:08] <Disreali> modem = network interface[03:44:31] <OmniMancer> in the embedded world you tend to have CPU memory and various peripherals on one chip, thus system on chip[03:46:38] *** mmadia has quit IRC[03:49:40] <helf2> aha[03:49:46] <helf2> there is a 64gb model[03:49:52] <helf2> just in like france ;([03:51:20] <jrabbit> 74.645 < trsohmers> If you have education discount, you can get the 32GB for $87 and 16gb for $63[03:51:23] <jrabbit> oh my.[03:52:36] <helf2> daaaamn[03:52:48] <helf2> too bad i can get that[03:53:18] <geist> doesn't matter. qualcomm puts a modem on even if you dont use it[03:53:26] <geist> but in this case it's probably largely dormant[03:54:16] <geist> what makes qualcomms such a pain is they typically run the main applications processor (the one you're running linux on) as a pseudo slave to the modem processor (which is usually running L4 with their software stack on it)[03:54:34] <geist> so you end up witha lot of tightly coupled RPC between the two operating systems[03:56:32] <jrabbit> geist: from what i read there is no modem on this specific cpu[03:56:37] <jrabbit> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapdragon_(processor)[03:56:42] <DraX> OmniMancer: i bought a touchpad on launch day :P I'm just excited to buy another one[03:56:44] <geist> snapdragon is their core[03:56:45] <jrabbit> the APQ8060[03:56:55] <jrabbit> "Connectivity features not included"[03:56:58] <geist> they have a lot of different cpus. it may be the 8060 is a modemless version. that would be neat[03:57:13] <geist> i haven't followed them in a year or so[03:58:06] <geist> it's for sure an 8260 or 8660 with the radio turned off[03:58:23] *** [Beta] has quit IRC[03:59:01] <geist> their numbering converntion is usually <family><radio band supported><soc design>[03:59:17] <geist> so it's an 8000 series, 0 means no radio bits, 60[03:59:37] <geist> 2 would mean gsm, 6 would mean gsm + cdma[04:01:40] <geist> there was sometimes a 5 and sometimes a 9[04:01:56] <geist> that line uses a scorpion core, which is quite nice. about cortex-a9 class[04:02:06] <geist> their newer stuff is Krait based, which is a new core, very high end[04:02:11] <geist> probably cortex-a15+ class[04:04:56] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[04:19:26] *** DDevine has joined #haiku[04:20:29] *** GeekShadow has quit IRC[04:21:21] *** GeekShadow has joined #haiku[04:23:27] *** xissburg has joined #haiku[04:23:31] *** xissburg has quit IRC[04:23:50] *** xissburg has joined #haiku[04:27:24] *** Nozy has left #haiku[04:29:34] *** DDevine has quit IRC[04:31:05] *** DDevine has joined #haiku[04:32:38] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[04:32:41] *** HaikuUser is now known as SCollins2[04:43:18] *** SCollins2 has quit IRC[04:52:12] *** umccullough has joined #haiku[04:56:09] <umccullough> geist, so, i might pick up a couple touchpads tomorrow if they firesale 'em[04:56:20] <umccullough> my kids would love to play with them anyway ;)[04:57:02] <umccullough> i'm hoping *someone* will put together and maintain an OS for them[04:59:29] <jrabbit> umccullough: they're firesaling them right now[04:59:41] <jrabbit> umccullough: call their phone sales if you cant get the price online[05:00:58] <umccullough> i just went to best buy and they were full price[05:01:11] <umccullough> last i heard, the firesale is in canada[05:01:59] <jrabbit> i boguht one at hp.com via the student program[05:02:23] <umccullough> shit[05:02:27] <jrabbit> umccullough: lots of discussion in #webos on it[05:02:53] <jrabbit> umccullough: your best bet is to call them[05:02:59] <jrabbit> the website keeps changing prices[05:03:22] <jrabbit> but the phone guys have been using the new prices for a few hours[05:07:57] <umccullough> i'm trying to figure out how to get the student discount ;)[05:08:08] <umccullough> at those prices i'll buy 4 of them[05:08:16] <umccullough> maybe 5[05:09:15] <jrabbit> heh[05:09:22] <umccullough> i'm not kidding[05:09:31] <umccullough> i have 3 kids[05:10:14] <umccullough> i wonder if my kids qualify for that discount ;)[05:10:30] <umccullough> got a #?[05:11:41] <umccullough> hp.com still shows full price here[05:11:50] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[05:18:17] *** Disreali has quit IRC[05:18:20] *** Disreali_ has joined #haiku[05:20:12] *** Disreali_ has quit IRC[05:21:10] <jrabbit> umccullough: on the hp store website it has the sales #[05:23:25] <umccullough> yeah, i called it[05:23:28] <umccullough> they're closed[05:28:19] <umccullough> nm, i think this other number is working[05:30:00] *** rob__ has joined #haiku[05:31:22] *** rob__ is now known as hoelzro[05:34:41] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[05:38:28] <jrabbit> umccullough: good luck![05:39:00] *** Disreali has quit IRC[05:39:14] *** Qeos has quit IRC[05:39:47] <umccullough> jrabbit, what does it take to get the student discount?[05:39:50] <umccullough> how do they verify?[05:40:29] *** Qeos has joined #haiku[05:40:37] *** Qeos has quit IRC[05:41:09] *** Qeos has joined #haiku[05:42:45] <jrabbit> umccullough: college, k-12 etc[05:42:56] <jrabbit> umccullough: I think the school needs to be listed mine was[05:43:09] <umccullough> they just ask what school, you don't have to prove it?[05:43:14] <umccullough> i have 3 kids in k-12 ;)[05:43:34] *** kPb_in has joined #haiku[05:46:25] <jrabbit> umccullough: nope[05:46:46] <umccullough> HMMM[05:46:48] <umccullough> ;)[05:48:54] *** kPb_in has quit IRC[06:13:31] * umccullough is still on hold[06:13:38] <umccullough> been > 45 mins[06:17:02] <geist> no tablet for you![06:17:22] <geist> but i can probably scrounge up some consolation athlons or whatnot for you next weekend[06:19:02] <umccullough> lol[06:19:11] <umccullough> still got that phenom x4?[06:19:55] * umccullough is determined to buy 4 32gb touchpads[06:27:04] <geist> still haven't replaced it, but i have an older athlon x2 5000 i think somewhere[06:27:16] <geist> and i think i'll actually hook up that commodore you gave me[06:27:29] <geist> i have been furtzing around with my apple 2s again for the last couple weeks[06:27:45] <umccullough> nice[06:27:56] <umccullough> did you see the beer brewing bender?[06:28:26] <umccullough> http://www.asciimation.co.nz/bender/[06:28:29] <geist> hmm? no sir[06:28:45] <umccullough> complete with a 6502[06:28:50] <geist> sweet[06:29:58] <umccullough> my wife is ordering two 32gb touchpads from hp.com for $301 after tax and recycling fee[06:30:17] <jrabbit> :)[06:30:46] <umccullough> that's at $149/each and a $30 discount[06:30:50] <umccullough> heh[06:30:56] <umccullough> i'm still on hold for the student discount[06:34:01] *** P4R4N01D has joined #haiku[06:34:19] *** hoelzro has quit IRC[06:41:48] *** Ziusudra has joined #haiku[06:50:00] <umccullough> i bought 4 from the website[06:50:07] <umccullough> they wouldnt' give me any further discounts on the phone[06:50:14] <umccullough> lamers[06:51:15] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[07:08:39] *** VNA9216_ has joined #haiku[07:10:37] <DDevine> umccullough: The only seller of touchpads in australia pulled them from the shelves yesterday.[07:10:59] <DDevine> The first webos device in australia and it was taken away before I could get one.[07:11:54] <DDevine> umccullough: Where are you getting these discount touchpads?[07:12:40] <umccullough> DDevine, shopping.hp.com with the epp discount[07:12:44] <umccullough> but i suspect they're gone now[07:13:53] <DDevine> Yeah it looks like it.[07:14:10] <DDevine> Far out... The world is totally against me ever getting a WebOS device.[07:14:15] <umccullough> the lady i spoke with said there was 20 mins left before they ran out[07:14:21] <DDevine> I hope they license it to phone manufacturers...[07:14:27] <umccullough> you can probably find a shitload of them on ebay next week ;)[07:14:56] <DDevine> Yeah selling for $399[07:15:31] <umccullough> go stand in line at best buy in the morning[07:15:55] <DDevine> I'll hop on a plane to the USA tonight.[07:16:12] <umccullough> lol[07:28:40] <umccullough> jrabbit, did you just buy one?[07:28:45] <umccullough> 16 or 32?[07:28:49] <jrabbit> 16[07:28:53] <umccullough> heh[07:29:07] <umccullough> shit, this might actually make my develop some webos apps[07:29:15] <jrabbit> haiku/tablet[07:29:16] <umccullough> *me[07:29:21] <umccullough> eh[07:29:52] <umccullough> we'll see[07:30:03] <umccullough> i'll have a couple extras to play with ;)[07:30:19] <jrabbit> hah[07:30:34] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[07:31:00] *** Cenbe has quit IRC[07:32:14] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[07:37:17] *** Advant has quit IRC[07:37:40] <DDevine> oh boy, I just saw a touchpad ad on TV.[07:37:44] <DDevine> They're really messed up.[07:37:52] <umccullough> i played with one today at best buy[07:37:55] <umccullough> it wasn't bad at all[07:38:14] *** Advant has joined #haiku[07:38:15] *** Advant has joined #haiku[07:38:42] <DDevine> HP made a really retarded move making that announcement...[07:38:53] <umccullough> retarded? or brilliant?[07:39:06] <umccullough> they sold out of their stock within hours[07:39:28] <DDevine> I don't know about that...[07:39:31] <umccullough> there will be > 250k touchpads in use in a week[07:40:24] <umccullough> that's a lot of users all of a sudden - for a platform that hasn't been doing so well[07:40:38] <DDevine> I *really* hope you are right, but I don't think you are.[07:40:41] <umccullough> that makes webos quite nifty all of a sudden[07:40:52] <DDevine> I really wish it was that simple.[07:40:55] <umccullough> i bet they sell it[07:41:33] <umccullough> they'll write off the loss[07:42:05] <umccullough> webos apps will pop up immediately[07:42:13] <umccullough> cuz there will be a major influx of devs and users[07:42:35] <umccullough> worst case scenario: someone ports android to it[07:42:40] <umccullough> game over[08:00:06] *** Ziusudra has quit IRC[08:01:04] *** Cenbe has joined #haiku[08:03:27] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[08:06:04] *** xissburg has quit IRC[08:12:55] *** Ziusudra has joined #haiku[08:26:00] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[08:27:39] <Anarchos> Hi everybody[08:27:58] *** fhein has joined #haiku[08:28:42] <Ziusudra> hi Anarchos[08:28:50] <Anarchos> hi Ziusudra[08:31:27] *** scgtrp has joined #haiku[08:32:02] *** Ziusudra has quit IRC[08:37:54] *** Ziusudra has joined #haiku[08:38:44] *** duvjones has joined #haiku[08:38:51] *** DDevine has quit IRC[08:40:52] *** LordLobo has joined #haiku[08:55:01] *** kPb_in has joined #haiku[08:55:55] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[08:58:33] *** tqh has joined #haiku[09:04:39] *** aksr has joined #haiku[09:06:24] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[09:12:48] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[09:17:02] <jrabbit> http://www.codecademy.com/#!/exercise/0 JS intro to programming pretty slick.[09:17:10] <jrabbit> Also creepy if your name is Ryan.[09:17:59] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[09:22:47] <smop> yeah[09:22:48] <smop> i saw it[09:22:51] <smop> really neat[09:23:13] <Anarchos> jrabbit fun, but how far does it go ?[09:23:23] <jrabbit> I don't know really.[09:24:45] <Anarchos> jrabbit lol : click ok to continue "yes" "no" :)[09:26:14] *** Ziusudra has quit IRC[09:27:16] *** jrabbit has quit IRC[09:27:20] *** aksr has quit IRC[09:28:00] <Anarchos> Where did i failed in the configuration : http://pastebin.com/CxR1c35h[09:29:27] *** kPb_in has quit IRC[09:32:09] *** jrabbit has joined #haiku[09:32:12] *** johndrinkwater has joined #haiku[09:33:17] *** kPb_in has joined #haiku[09:33:17] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[09:34:03] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[09:34:49] *** LordLobo has quit IRC[09:34:53] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[09:37:28] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[09:42:07] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[09:42:08] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[09:43:51] *** Ziusudra has joined #haiku[09:54:32] <Anarchos> No developer here ?[09:54:40] *** humdinger has quit IRC[09:56:59] *** sikosis has quit IRC[10:05:53] *** tqh has quit IRC[10:08:13] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[10:09:26] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[10:57:13] *** hdanak has joined #haiku[11:19:42] *** sikosis has joined #haiku[11:19:42] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o sikosis[11:20:01] *** _marc` has quit IRC[11:23:50] *** neena has joined #haiku[11:24:16] <CIA-35> Haiku: axeld * r42645 /haiku/trunk/src/preferences/mail/AutoConfigView.cpp http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/42645 : * Set the real name to the current user's real name by default.[11:25:17] *** leszek has joined #haiku[11:26:39] <leszek> hi[11:35:56] *** kPb_in has quit IRC[11:39:43] *** judgen has joined #haiku[11:40:02] *** kPb_in has joined #haiku[11:44:15] *** Ziusudra has quit IRC[11:44:53] *** [r4] has joined #haiku[11:45:19] <judgen> whee haiku has not crashed for me yet.[11:45:38] <judgen> But as soon as i do something that writes to disk alot it crashes.[11:45:51] <judgen> Also i am not rid of the strange folders on my desktop either[11:47:40] <leszek> judgen: on a clean alpha 3 install or an upgraded install ?[11:50:48] <judgen> clean alpha with some optional packages installed[11:50:52] <judgen> as well as some apps[11:50:55] <judgen> nothing more[11:50:58] <judgen> a3[11:54:06] <judgen> hmm bezilla does not start anymore either.[11:55:29] *** Corn-man has joined #haiku[11:55:32] <judgen> it was a settings error in the bezilla case[11:55:52] <leszek> hmm... I have the a3 running here since it came out without any problems xD[11:56:13] <leszek> even wireless lan works after installing the firmware for it[11:57:43] *** [Katisu]_m has joined #haiku[11:58:05] <judgen> leszek guess i am unlucky[11:58:32] <judgen> It runs beatufully otherwise though[11:58:49] *** Corn_man has quit IRC[11:59:00] <judgen> leszek Can you use CL-am without the default skin on a3?[11:59:04] <judgen> CL-Amp[12:00:02] *** [Katisu] has quit IRC[12:00:35] <leszek> judgen: hmm... never tested it xD. I am using the default media player[12:00:46] <leszek> let me try and test it[12:00:56] *** [Katisu] has joined #haiku[12:01:14] <leszek> ah damn, still compiling something in the background ...[12:01:26] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[12:01:34] <mmu_man> http://tech.slashdot.org/story/11/08/20/0122222/A-Decade-of-Haiku-OS[12:03:27] *** [Katisu]_m has quit IRC[12:04:55] *** Corn-man is now known as Corn_man[12:05:29] *** kPb_in has quit IRC[12:05:58] *** aksr has joined #haiku[12:06:11] <aksr> is it supported 1440x900 ?[12:06:45] <aksr> i have this, not so old, nightly, and it seems that 1440x900 isn't supported[12:07:15] <leszek> aksr: it depends on your graphics card, monitor and the driver you use[12:07:35] <leszek> if its only the vesa driver than you might run into problems[12:07:47] <aksr> i'm using haiku `out of the box'[12:08:00] <aksr> leszek: only vesa[12:08:14] <aksr> where to find drivers ?[12:08:20] <aksr> is it possible ?[12:08:24] <leszek> aksr: yeah vesa has problems with those kind of resolutions[12:08:38] <aksr> leszek: so, i need driver ? ati[12:08:44] <leszek> aksr: you might try haikuware.com but first just tell us which card do you have ?[12:09:10] <aksr> just a sec[12:09:23] <judgen> On this card i run 2048x1536@180hz[12:10:04] <aksr> Mobility Radeon X1350 leszek[12:10:20] <judgen> I just love the Deskbar... Best UI invention for a desktop ever made. And zsnake är just awsome for file management[12:11:08] <leszek> aksr: as far as I know there is a radeon driver in development. I don't know if your card is supported. Which nightly are you running ? Perhaps try a newer one[12:11:33] <leszek> judgen: zsnake can be enabled on haiku ?[12:11:53] <aksr> i will try, it's just i wanted to know, is it supported..[12:13:19] *** The123king has joined #haiku[12:14:12] <judgen> leszek the zsnake is not as pretty as in Zeta but as on all BeOS versions and Haiku it seems to work.[12:16:46] <judgen> Tracker navigation... just awsome[12:17:00] <judgen> no windows just zsnaking to any folder or file i want to use[12:17:44] <judgen> I wish that haiku took the idea of visually improving the navigation from zeta.[12:18:06] <judgen> It was indeed very much easier to see than gray+darker gray that is in Haiku[12:18:22] <aksr> leszek: i found my card listed here http://lists.berlios.de/pipermail/haiku-commits/2008-December/013719.html[12:18:23] <judgen> and the vertical indicator[12:18:34] <aksr> does this mean it's supported ? leszek[12:19:33] <leszek> aksr: it seems so[12:19:58] <judgen> aksr some integrated AMD cards has the gpu in northbridge and afaik those is not natively supported. It is is in the Southbridge though, they always seem to work.[12:20:04] *** Advant has quit IRC[12:20:15] <judgen> especially cheap ones fail in this matter.[12:20:20] <judgen> often atleast[12:20:23] <aksr> leszek: so, does this mean i have to download driver or.. ?[12:21:06] <judgen> aksr In the image you downloaded there should be a driver.[12:21:06] <leszek> aksr: the driver should be included and used[12:21:19] <leszek> maybe the pci id for your particullary card is missing. Try perhaps fill in a bug report and try reporting your id[12:21:31] <judgen> aksr It might also be a vary easy to fix problem with an odd deviceID[12:22:11] <judgen> leszek Does the images have the dev enviroment included nowdays?[12:22:28] <aksr> leszek: RV516[12:22:39] <leszek> judgen: I don't know[12:22:40] <aksr> this is my ID on lspci..[12:22:53] <leszek> aksr: no thats not the right one[12:22:54] <judgen> if so, he could just do a checkout and recompile of the driver with his id added.[12:22:58] <leszek> it needs to be in hex[12:23:05] <judgen> aksr that is the core version not the ID[12:23:26] <aksr> judgen: you have to be more specific[12:23:29] <aksr> :)[12:23:30] <judgen> it is almost always something like 0x34eF[12:23:41] <judgen> that is a network card though[12:24:57] <aksr> judgen: how to get it ?[12:25:03] <aksr> with which command..[12:25:08] <leszek> aksr: just enter listdev in a terminal (under haiku) and try to post the information about your card into a bug report[12:25:25] <aksr> leszek: ok :)[12:25:26] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[12:26:03] <judgen> aksr you can see it in deviceManager i think[12:26:14] <judgen> "Devices"[12:26:39] <aksr> judgen: also under haiku ?[12:27:10] <judgen> devices>PCI information>device/id> mine is 0x295 (geforce 9400m)[12:27:50] <aksr> ok[12:28:03] <leszek> judgen: I don't find devices under alpha 3 xD[12:28:03] <aksr> i'll try, now, i'm on the linux[12:28:33] <leszek> judgen: ah I found it under applications , how strange to put it here[12:28:38] <leszek> it belongs under preferences :P[12:28:39] <judgen> i know[12:29:38] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[12:30:08] * judgen is firing up his pipe[12:30:29] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[12:30:31] *** HaikuUser2 has joined #haiku[12:31:22] <judgen> leszek but you can not change anything in it so it is not a preference.. just a list[12:31:30] <judgen> so it kindof belong in apps[12:31:55] *** HaikuUser2 has quit IRC[12:32:50] <leszek> judgen: true[12:33:03] *** aksr has quit IRC[12:33:42] <leszek> in beos the devices app could change irqs. I guess that was the reason it was under preferences there[12:34:06] <leszek> bbl[12:34:27] <scgtrp> "preferences and other things that don't really belong elsewhere"[12:34:52] <judgen> leszek the something i hated in zeta was that the app_server did not allow maximizing apps over the deskbar. Kind of defeats the purpose of the awsome deskbar and it's default position[12:35:11] <judgen> And the tabs[12:35:25] *** leszek has quit IRC[12:35:28] <judgen> The leaf is alwasy visible withouth wasting screen estate[12:35:32] <judgen> i love it[12:35:35] <scgtrp> it didn't? O_o[12:35:41] <judgen> scgtrp nope[12:35:43] <scgtrp> (i can't remember and may have not even used zeta)[12:36:03] <judgen> scgtrp There were some good ideas in Zeta but that sure was not one of them.[12:42:14] *** aksr has joined #haiku[12:53:28] <aksr> judgen are you there ?[12:54:21] <aksr> is this what we talked about ? 0x7196 is device/id[12:57:45] <judgen> oh yes i am[12:57:51] <judgen> I was playing a game[12:58:03] <judgen> gimme a sec to google the ID[12:58:08] <aksr> i'm in 'devices'[12:58:41] <judgen> http://pcidatabase.com/search.php?device_search_str=0x7196[12:58:48] <judgen> it is indeed your gfxcard[12:59:09] <aksr> so, does this mean it's supported ?[12:59:12] <judgen> unless your computer is from the early 90's that is =D[12:59:14] <Anarchos> judgen hi, are you skilled in jam configuration ?[12:59:32] <judgen> Anarchos Not äs good as many other of the pro's here.[13:00:02] <Anarchos> judgen i got that : http://pastebin.com/CxR1c35h[13:00:08] <aksr> judgen so, what now ?[13:00:13] <aksr> how to set it right ?[13:00:16] <judgen> My programming efforts has a working wine version for haiku on the agenda still... but it is a moving target.[13:00:26] <Anarchos> judgen the /boot/system headers are included instead of only those of haiku local checkout[13:00:32] <judgen> I can use many small apps through wine though[13:00:59] <judgen> aksr Do you have SVN from optionalpackages?[13:01:22] <aksr> i don't understand ?[13:01:46] <judgen> aksr you can check out the radeon driver, then just find the ID's in the code and add yours on a new line. Compile and BAM you got a supported card.[13:02:25] <judgen> Anarchos i do not understand the question, if it was a question.[13:02:40] *** hdanak has quit IRC[13:03:55] <judgen> aksr run "installoptionalpackage Subversion" in terminal[13:04:17] <judgen> then use Subversion to check out the driver code from the haiku site.[13:06:44] <judgen> then add your ID to the code and just "make" the file and place the finalled binary in /home/config/add-ons/kernel/drivers/bin then make a link in /home/config/add-ons/kernel/drivers/dev[13:06:46] <judgen> Done[13:06:57] <judgen> then you got a parfectly working driver in your system[13:07:55] <Anarchos> judgen when i build with jam it includes the system headers instead of those of the build directories[13:08:23] <judgen> Anarchos yes that is the default behaviour...[13:08:57] <judgen> Anarchos I do not want to sound rude, i am just very poor at english today it seems.[13:09:39] <judgen> you could simply rename the headers folder to *.old and make a symlink to the new ones in the dir.[13:10:48] <judgen> it might be the "wrong way" to do it but that is hiw i do it for cross compiles[13:10:56] <judgen> it is soo much faster[13:11:11] <judgen> no configing needed =D[13:11:27] <Anarchos> judgen i would prefer to config correctly...[13:11:38] <judgen> Anarchos Why?[13:11:47] <Anarchos> judgen i want my sparc port to be clean ![13:11:58] <judgen> Oh sorry, i should not teach bad practices... you are correct[13:12:20] <judgen> is it not just to sort out the build env?[13:12:25] <judgen> in that case[13:12:35] <judgen> Are you working on a SPARC port=!!!![13:13:06] <judgen> Holy crap i want the images eventually... what sunstation are you running it on?[13:13:21] <judgen> I got an S11 here[13:13:46] <judgen> it runs solaris, but solaris feels dead as anything desktop wise.[13:14:09] *** aksr has left #haiku[13:14:20] *** aksr has joined #haiku[13:14:30] <judgen> aksr wellcome back[13:14:35] <aksr> :)[13:14:53] <aksr> judgen it says `bash: subversion: command not found'[13:15:07] <aksr> even, though, i installed it..[13:15:28] <aksr> maybe i have to have latest nightly ?[13:15:36] <aksr> this, my, is rather old[13:16:11] *** brechtm has joined #haiku[13:17:25] <Anarchos> judgen i just figured out how to write the bootsector, copying the one of HelenOS ....[13:17:26] <judgen> aksr the command is svn[13:18:17] <Anarchos> judgen i don't know how to sort out the build env[13:18:26] <judgen> aksr i will do the interface driver for the S11 for you if you need it later.[13:19:09] <judgen> heleno=assebly operating system?[13:19:13] <Anarchos> judgen i can't continue if my jam is broken with the system headers :.([13:19:34] <Anarchos> judgen www.helenos.org , not pure assembly, but a clean bootsector in assembly[13:19:39] <judgen> You could try the cheat i mentioned earlier and fix it later...[13:19:52] <Anarchos> judgen i have a qemu-system-sparc working on haiku to test[13:20:49] <aksr> judgen ok, how to check for radeon driver, sorry for being boring[13:20:56] <judgen> Any programming i can learn you would probablt not be textbook ways... you should as Axel och Francois[13:22:09] <judgen> aksr i know i am beeing a drag, but https://www.haiku-os.org/documents/dev/using_subversion_with_the_haiku_source_repository[13:22:59] <judgen> pretty short and proper though[13:24:07] <judgen> writing it on irc would just be annoying for you[13:26:47] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[13:32:33] *** brechtm has left #haiku[13:42:25] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[13:47:01] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[13:54:19] <judgen> whee no crash[13:54:53] <judgen> i know that a checkbfs will crash the system though[13:55:11] <judgen> and i hav shit on my desktop... but i can live with it[14:02:42] *** aksr has quit IRC[14:11:58] <Anarchos> judgen now i have conflict : ../../../headers/build/config_build/types.h:32: error: conflicting declaration 'typedef int32_t __haiku_int32' /boot/develop/headers/config/types.h:31: error: '__haiku_int32' has a previous declaration as 'typedef long int __haiku_int32'[14:14:54] *** daedaluz has joined #haiku[14:15:40] <daedaluz> is having 100% backwards compatibility with BeOS really something so valuable to offer so much time on having?[14:19:30] *** idefix_xifedi has quit IRC[14:24:29] <judgen> daedaluz yes[14:24:38] <judgen> And it is not 100%[14:25:50] <judgen> but refraction (photoshop clone) runs and Personal studio works (wich is better than enything ever made public for linux users)[14:26:18] <judgen> the commercial apps is awsome[14:26:47] <judgen> there is also automocad[14:26:58] <judgen> the onley and best CAD app ever made[14:27:20] <judgen> It is like[14:27:52] <judgen> so YES we need gcc2 hybrids until those are updated or replaced[14:31:27] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[14:31:45] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[14:32:55] *** daedaluz has left #haiku[14:34:54] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[14:45:53] *** me-alone has joined #haiku[14:46:11] *** me-alone has left #haiku[14:51:29] <judgen> it seems i can dp witjouut[14:52:48] <judgen> Is there ab option in vision to filter out part/leave[14:58:51] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[14:59:27] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[15:05:33] *** judgen has quit IRC[15:06:24] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[15:08:52] *** me-alone has joined #haiku[15:09:25] <me-alone> hi..can haiku be installed on actual hardware as solo OS[15:10:23] <OmniMancer> yes[15:12:49] <me-alone> does it has a web browser , media player a word processor and spreadsheet[15:15:00] *** me-alone has quit IRC[15:15:10] <sikosis> web browser = webpositive mediaplayer = mediaplayer word processor ... hrmmm there is koffice, but its a little iffy like abiword is[15:15:13] <sikosis> damn he left[15:16:00] <sikosis> oh well ... im off to bed ... 11 hours til HDU 2011 http://haikudownunder.com/[15:16:35] *** sikosis has quit IRC[15:21:19] <Anarchos> where can i find besting ?[15:25:25] *** judgen has joined #haiku[15:26:41] <Anarchos> judgen hi back, i experienced some network lost with my recent haiku :)[15:27:16] *** lukove has joined #haiku[15:30:16] <Anarchos> judgen i test a new idea : build a cross compiler for x86 to see if i have the same problems with includes, or if it is due to my Jamfiles for sparc[15:32:03] *** The123king has quit IRC[15:33:56] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[15:41:16] *** lukove has quit IRC[15:41:39] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[15:42:26] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[15:42:36] *** DDevine has joined #haiku[15:42:52] <judgen> wow i just read avout one of the swedish UN representatives that got robbed in NY[15:42:57] <judgen> scary shit[15:43:46] <judgen> He said, if you kill me SÄPO will get you and kill you, no matter where you live or how long it ever takes. And it is true.[15:44:35] <judgen> I äm scared and almost cries about the authority of SÄPO in sweden[15:45:14] <judgen> They actually have the authority to kill pepole[15:45:25] <judgen> and diplomatic immunity[15:46:17] <judgen> it might be good in a war situation though[15:46:50] <judgen> But in an open society that kind of evil..[15:48:00] *** xissburg has joined #haiku[15:48:05] <judgen> and they just say "international law" but just because franceor germany does it is not LEGAL[15:48:59] *** Shisui has joined #haiku[15:50:50] <judgen> it felt very scary wheen they hunted me[15:51:28] <judgen> thewy wew very polite and mostly asked about my friends[15:52:03] <DDevine> Heh.[15:52:42] <judgen> It feels very strange to allow people in that is legaly allowed to kil you[15:54:31] <DDevine> Everybody is allowed to kill everybody, depends on the circumstances.[15:54:33] <judgen> they had terrorist charges against me... and wtf i hardly even live in my appartment[15:55:10] <DDevine> Ah, yeah... I can see how they would not be so nice to a suspected terrorist.[15:55:49] <judgen> And HS people in tje us is better....then sweden has gone toooo far[15:56:03] <Anarchos> a ARM user/developer for haiku[15:56:11] <Anarchos> around ?[15:56:29] <DDevine> Anarchos: I really like ARM, but I don't have the skills to port Haiku to ARM yet.[15:56:50] <DDevine> Will not be too long though. I'm picking things up fairly quickly.[15:57:00] <judgen> Anarchos i am traumatized, bur do you also maintain ARM[15:57:43] <Anarchos> judgen not at all[15:58:09] <Anarchos> judgen i just wonder if what i want to do for sparc has been done for ARM[15:58:26] <judgen> terrorist searches is scary[15:58:42] <judgen> I am immigrating to vanada[15:58:51] <judgen> canada[15:59:05] <Anarchos> judgen my wife comes from montreal :)[15:59:31] <DDevine> Anarchos: Sparc is dead on the desktop.[16:00:01] <judgen> But they hav a very low acceptamce rat unless you are poor[16:01:19] <judgen> DDevine yes but haiku+rdf gives market op's[16:03:11] <DDevine> judgen: What does RDF have to do with Haiku?[16:03:52] <CIA-35> Haiku: zooey * r42646 /haiku/trunk/build/jam/OptionalBuildFeatures http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/42646 :[16:03:53] <CIA-35> Update icu packages again:[16:03:53] <CIA-35> * update icu packages for x86 in order to incorporate a fix[16:03:53] <CIA-35> * add updated icu package for ppc, too[16:04:50] <Anarchos> DDevine the problem is not that sparc is dead, the problem is that it is fun to try to run haiku on it ![16:07:08] <DDevine> It would surely be a huge amount of work.[16:11:34] <Anarchos> DDevine yes :)[16:12:07] *** pdlnhrd has joined #haiku[16:21:27] <umccullough> ok, who got their touchpads?[16:21:46] * umccullough is gonna travel to a few stores today[16:22:08] *** luko has joined #haiku[16:27:36] <umccullough> geist, did you find one to order?[16:28:04] <scgtrp> umccullough: i ordered a couple from office depot[16:28:25] <umccullough> nice[16:28:28] <umccullough> 16 or 32?[16:28:31] <scgtrp> 16[16:29:15] <scgtrp> probably going to use mine more as an ebook reader and "i feel like coding something for not-pc today" device[16:29:20] <scgtrp> so i don't need too much space[16:30:12] <umccullough> yeah, i might pick up a couple 16s today[16:30:20] <umccullough> give one to my in-laws[16:30:23] <umccullough> maybe one for my mom[16:30:33] <umccullough> although, she has a kindle[16:30:44] <helf> woo hoo![16:30:49] <helf> bought a 32gb touchpad[16:31:05] <helf> microcenter still has the 16/32s in stock online for the reduced price[16:31:13] <umccullough> link?[16:31:15] <helf> they are the only online retailers i could find that still had them instock at the reduced prices[16:31:34] <helf> http://www.microcenter.com/hp/index.html?nMXID=39848&nVID=7240393[16:32:01] <umccullough> looks like full price?[16:33:45] <umccullough> once you add to your cart :)[16:33:48] <umccullough> discount![16:34:20] <helf> crap[16:34:23] <helf> 16gb models are out[16:34:28] <helf> bought two 32gb[16:36:15] <CIA-35> Haiku: kallisti5 * r42647 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/accelerants/radeon_hd/ (accelerant.h bios.cpp) http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/42647 :[16:36:15] <CIA-35> * correction to AtomBIOS register loopback calls[16:36:15] <CIA-35> * cail calls have their registers multiplied by 4[16:36:15] <CIA-35> * solves infinite loops[16:37:58] <umccullough> helf, i hear a rumor that microcenter will be canceling all orders[16:38:02] <umccullough> but it's just a rumor[16:39:08] <helf> lies[16:39:13] <umccullough> :)[16:39:15] <helf> you just dont want me ordering[16:39:15] <helf> :p[16:39:17] <umccullough> you can call them to confirm i guess[16:39:27] <umccullough> nah, i don't care - i already ordered four last night[16:39:28] <helf> man, ive been wanting one for ages but i wasnt gonna pay that price :p[16:39:32] <helf> loser[16:39:42] <helf> i woke up super early to try and order directfrom hp and they had sold out already[16:39:52] <umccullough> direct from HP before they ran out of 32s[16:39:57] <helf> HP is run by morons :p if they had sold the touchpad at slightly above cost, it'd probably have taken off[16:40:11] <umccullough> i dunno, someone told me their cost was $300/ea[16:40:18] <umccullough> rumor of course[16:40:25] <helf> yeah, but they were selling them for $500[16:40:29] <umccullough> did anyone ever do a teardown and estimate the price?[16:41:06] <umccullough> helf, did microcenter give free shipping?[16:41:34] <umccullough> i had to pay tax, but shipping was free, and then I also got $15 off each one[16:41:44] <pfoetchen> Anarchos: I don't remember exactly what I did for arm but I had to fiddle arround with the compiler settings quite a bit...[16:41:45] <umccullough> which offset the tax and recycling fee[16:42:57] * pfoetchen wants a touchpad, too but can't find it for the discounted price in europe :([16:44:06] *** DDevine has quit IRC[16:45:37] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[16:47:08] *** luko has quit IRC[16:49:57] <helf> wtf umccullough[16:50:03] <helf> lol[16:50:07] *** [r4] has quit IRC[16:50:14] <helf> i didnt have to pay tax (yay alabama) but i did have to pay for shipping[16:50:28] <umccullough> did you have to pay a recycle fee? i think that's a california thing[16:50:31] <pfoetchen> Anarchos: for the "algorithm" include that might have to do something if your sparc stuff is compiled for a real FPU or uses emulated FPU (at least I had some fun with that for ARM ;))[16:50:32] <helf> nope[16:50:32] <umccullough> $6/ea[16:50:35] <umccullough> meh ;)[16:50:38] <helf> :p[16:50:47] <helf> have you gotten email confirmations yet?[16:50:48] <helf> :|[16:50:53] <umccullough> let me check[16:51:06] <umccullough> doesn't seem like it[16:51:09] <helf> me neither[16:51:11] <umccullough> but my orders were "processing"[16:51:18] <helf> im at work at the helldesk. i cant call them at the moment[16:51:19] <umccullough> as opposed to "verifying" which usually meant they were out[16:51:28] <helf> oh[16:51:40] <helf> mine all say orders were successfully completed[16:53:01] <xissburg> Where can I find a 'smoke forbidden' t-shirt?[16:56:59] <helf> umccullough, i bought two on my dads creditcard for him and my brother and i paid for mine on my debit card and the money has already been taken out of my acount for mine. so im hoping that means my order has gone through properly :p[17:00:12] <umccullough> :)[17:00:36] <umccullough> helf, you can idle in #webos and see chatter ;)[17:01:05] <helf> what language[17:01:05] <helf> lol[17:01:11] <helf> trying to force someone to do the price drop?[17:01:21] <umccullough> yeah, everyone's talking about where to get them[17:01:31] <Anarchos> pfoetchen i don't remember what i put for options about FPU on my gcc[17:02:04] <helf> umccullough, webos already has a bit of a cult following. it sjust gonna get worse now that its dead :p[17:02:04] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[17:02:11] <helf> be funny to see how long people support the touchpad[17:03:30] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[17:03:49] <Anarchos> helf we supported beos for 10 years :)[17:04:45] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[17:04:47] <pfoetchen> I only played around with webos for a short time but I found it much more beautifull than ios or android... ;) usabilitywise I don't realy remember anymore ;)[17:04:57] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[17:05:02] <umccullough> there will be a hell of a lot more webos devices out there than beos ;)[17:05:17] <umccullough> consider that they've been selling the pres and pixis for a while[17:05:29] *** HaikuUser is now known as bagaroo[17:06:43] <helf> heh[17:06:46] <helf> i really like webos[17:10:09] <helf> umccullough, all these poor retailers probably werent expecting to be swamped[17:11:37] <Anarchos> pfoetchen i am building a cross-compiler gcc4 for arm to see the difference[17:14:47] <umccullough> helf, it's like black friday "on the fly"[17:14:50] <umccullough> it's crazy[17:15:08] <umccullough> and it rolls into saturday :D[17:15:19] <helf> :p[17:15:37] *** SecMonk has joined #haiku[17:15:51] <helf> i wish i had just stayed up last night till hp started their sell and then ordered ;([17:15:59] <umccullough> "started"?[17:16:08] <umccullough> they were selling them all night - you just had to know how to get the discount online, or call them[17:16:14] <helf> lame[17:16:19] <helf> :/[17:16:23] <umccullough> i got mine usig the EPP discount and the SAVE30HP coupon[17:16:32] <helf> ah[17:16:35] <helf> oh well[17:16:41] <umccullough> you had to register with a 2727 code to get the epp discount ;)[17:16:45] <helf> no huge loss if my orders get cancelled. would just be fun to play with[17:18:12] <umccullough> i'm gonna go find a couple 16gb units[17:18:27] <helf> have fun[17:18:30] <umccullough> :)[17:18:33] <helf> buy extras, if my order gets cancelled ill buy yours[17:18:34] <helf> ;P[17:18:38] <umccullough> lol[17:18:42] <umccullough> technically, i already have extras :D[17:18:45] <umccullough> assuming they ship[17:19:08] *** brianb_ has joined #haiku[17:19:24] <helf> seriously, ill buy your extras if i cant get mine[17:19:30] <helf> :p[17:19:58] <helf> webos doesnt seem like a chan id want to idle in for long[17:20:45] <umccullough> yeah, that place is currently a fuster-cluck[17:20:50] <umccullough> last night was a lot of devs[17:20:54] <umccullough> today a lot of bleh[17:21:14] <helf> arguing over texting while driving right now?[17:21:17] <helf> ugh[17:22:07] <helf> ive never held a touchpad. i juts noticed the darn things are 0.54" thick. jeez :p[17:22:54] *** brianb has quit IRC[17:22:59] <helf> HPs promo page for the touchpad is awful :o[17:23:10] <helf> It looks like they are aiming it at highschoolers[17:23:18] *** bagaroo has quit IRC[17:23:53] *** yourpalal has joined #haiku[17:24:28] *** luko has joined #haiku[17:29:34] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[17:29:49] <helf> morning, mmadia[17:30:03] <mmadia> 'morning[17:32:58] *** xplt has joined #haiku[17:35:25] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[17:36:12] <Anarchos> hi mmadia[17:36:50] *** SecMonk has quit IRC[17:39:27] <humdinger> Anyone from the web team around?[17:39:42] *** xplt has quit IRC[17:39:54] <mmadia> thanks, forgot to re-read that email ;)[17:41:33] <mmadia> humdinger : http://www.haiku-os.org/files/Survey-Results-OS-Haiku.pdf[17:41:44] <humdinger> cool thanks![17:41:56] <humdinger> I'll be submitting the little article then.[17:52:04] *** prOSy has joined #haiku[17:52:05] <humdinger> Hmm... anyone got a catchy title for the survey story?[17:52:35] <mmadia> Survey says: "People love Haiku!" :P[17:52:57] <humdinger> well... "Haiku fans love Haiku"...[17:53:05] <Anarchos> humdinger Walter's got a friend[17:53:15] <mmadia> what, they're not people?[17:54:04] <humdinger> I have my doubts.[17:54:17] *** xplt has joined #haiku[18:00:21] *** lollo64it has quit IRC[18:01:47] <humdinger> I'd love to read the rest of Miroslav's master thesis.[18:01:58] <humdinger> But 19 EUR...[18:02:02] <humdinger> hmmm[18:02:13] <helf> $25 to read a thesis?[18:02:15] <Anarchos> humdinger what about ?[18:02:23] <Anarchos> master thesis are free in europe[18:02:34] <humdinger> From what I've read in the teaser, he fell for the old "MultimediaOS" canard... :)[18:02:43] <humdinger> Anarchos: http://www.cuvillier.de/flycms/de/html/30/-UickI3zKPS77f08=/Buchdetails.html[18:03:18] *** Cenbe has quit IRC[18:04:50] <Anarchos> humdinger free here : ww.haiku-survey.com/Survey-Results-OS-Haiku.pdf[18:04:51] *** lollo64it has joined #haiku[18:05:09] <humdinger> I know. That'S just chapter 6[18:06:10] <Anarchos> oh sorry[18:06:15] <Anarchos> no idea where to find the rest[18:07:26] *** dak has joined #haiku[18:09:17] *** klaudeclaw has joined #haiku[18:09:41] *** humdinger has quit IRC[18:10:02] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[18:10:18] <humdinger> The deterioration of the site is disconcerting[18:10:22] <humdinger> and annoying[18:10:42] <humdinger> Does anyone know if Vincent Duvert could be contacted wrt http://i18n.haiku-os.org/userguide ?[18:12:07] <mmadia> it may be easier to find another person who's willing to do php development.[18:12:12] <doggiebot> haikufrontpagenews: Survey results in <https://www.haiku-os.org/news/2011-08-20_survey_results>[18:12:42] * humdinger pads doggiebot. Good boy![18:13:33] <humdinger> mmadia: I think deejam would be interested, maybe... but we apparently don't have any consent of VinDuv to take, change etc. his web code.[18:14:23] <mmadia> ah[18:17:03] * humdinger gets on his bike now to enjoy the evening sun[18:17:10] <humdinger> laters![18:17:26] *** humdinger has quit IRC[18:18:11] *** luko has quit IRC[18:34:14] *** luko has joined #haiku[18:34:50] *** Polybun has joined #haiku[18:43:17] *** yourpalal_ has joined #haiku[18:43:33] *** yourpalal has quit IRC[18:44:20] *** luko has quit IRC[18:45:15] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[18:47:38] *** dufu1982 has joined #haiku[18:52:34] *** duvjones has quit IRC[18:53:35] *** yourpalal_ has quit IRC[19:02:33] *** luko has joined #haiku[19:10:09] *** Cld has joined #haiku[19:10:14] <Cld> plop[19:10:42] <Anarchos> Cld plip[19:27:18] *** dak has quit IRC[19:34:09] <xissburg> ¬ ¬[19:39:02] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[19:39:10] *** Negr0 has joined #haiku[19:45:05] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[19:52:49] *** humdinger has quit IRC[19:53:17] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[19:54:02] <CIA-35> Haiku: korli * r42648 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/timer.cpp http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/42648 : Disable interrupts when updating real time clock. Fixes #7872. Seems to have been introduced in r42116.[19:59:06] *** luko has quit IRC[20:05:22] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[20:14:43] *** klaudeclaw has left #haiku[20:20:34] *** markos_ has joined #haiku[20:22:04] *** humdinger has quit IRC[20:22:52] *** _arjen_ has quit IRC[20:24:40] *** Cenbe has joined #haiku[20:28:43] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[20:31:07] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[20:33:39] *** eriaranth000 has joined #haiku[20:36:06] *** phalax has joined #haiku[20:45:32] <CIA-35> Haiku: zooey * r42649 /haiku/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs) http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/42649 : Translate all regions in Time prefs[20:49:04] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[20:49:19] <Anarchos> Who did work on arm port ?[20:50:21] <mmadia> mmu_man + pfoetchen + ithamar.[20:54:39] <Anarchos> mmadia i want to know which tricks they applied to gcc[20:55:14] <mmadia> iirc pfoetchen did the initial work on gcc.[20:55:41] <mmadia> ... you could always mail the development list.[20:56:18] <Anarchos> mmadia cause the gcc for arm compiles for a very long time compared to my gcc for sparc[20:57:17] <mmadia> oh, did you figure out the algorythm missing bit?[21:00:35] <helf> umccullough, what were the different emails you got from microcenter? did "processing" mean limbo or ?[21:01:23] <Anarchos> mmadia no[21:01:56] *** dobroerlanger has joined #haiku[21:02:45] <Anarchos> mmadia i don't know if it is related to my gcc tricks or to a misconfiguration in jam[21:04:33] *** luroh has joined #haiku[21:07:20] *** hdanak has joined #haiku[21:10:37] *** eriaranth000 has quit IRC[21:11:28] *** P4R4N01D has quit IRC[21:20:11] <pfoetchen> Anarchos: is the algorithm stuff missing while compiling gcc? or while compiling haiku itself?[21:20:42] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[21:20:48] *** Duggan has quit IRC[21:20:49] <HaikuUser> hi[21:20:50] <HaikuUser> :D[21:20:51] <HaikuUser> :D[21:20:51] <HaikuUser> :D[21:22:10] <Anarchos> pfoetchen while compiling haiku itself, and supportdefs causes problems too[21:22:23] <Anarchos> (right now i am recompiling gcc4 for sparc)[21:23:00] *** Shisui has quit IRC[21:24:25] <HaikuUser> hello someone knows how to get tiltos working ?, when i run box --sync-repos keeps on "please wait" forever and i dont see any network activity[21:27:20] *** prOSy has quit IRC[21:30:19] <Cld> Anarchos: which kind of arm ?[21:30:48] *** Advant has joined #haiku[21:31:06] <Anarchos> Cld no idea, i just build a cross compiler for arm and use it afterwards to jam in src/system/boot[21:31:27] <Cld> Anarchos: oh ok, in cross compiling[21:32:21] *** dufu1982 has quit IRC[21:32:50] <Cld> *cross architecture compiling :)[21:34:10] <Cld> if it was on native architecture, compiling is very dependant of L2 memory cache, and on ARM it's generaly low... contrary to SPARC...[21:34:55] <Anarchos> Cld i know :)[21:39:43] *** Cian has joined #haiku[21:42:06] <HaikuUser> someone knows a easy way to share files in a local network in haiku ?[21:44:17] <Anarchos> HaikuUser BeShare ?[21:44:38] <Anarchos> HaikuUser or ftp[21:45:37] *** hdanak has quit IRC[21:46:03] <HaikuUser> yes[21:46:20] <HaikuUser> ftp is one but i looking for something mor like samba[21:46:34] <HaikuUser> where you dont have to download the files and have them copied[21:46:39] <HaikuUser> when you need it[21:47:15] <HaikuUser> also theres any ftp client for haiku the ones i found on haikuware dont work look to by old beos apps[21:48:41] *** Ziusudra has joined #haiku[21:52:03] <Cian> the old BeOS ones should be working...[21:52:10] <Cian> there's the command line 'ftp' obviously[21:52:13] <Anarchos> HaikuUser i know nothing abnout network apps, so i can't help you more[21:52:45] <Cian> as goes samba there are various attempts to get SMB or NFS working but nothing as yet[21:52:52] <HaikuUser> ok thanks i take a look again at haikuware[21:53:03] <HaikuUser> i see theres a nfs mount command on haiku but hangs[21:53:10] <HaikuUser> and i have to kill it[21:53:29] <Cian> its NFSv2-and-no-higher I'm almost sure[21:54:13] <HaikuUser> im using microsoft unix services for windows as nfs server[21:54:22] *** luko has joined #haiku[21:54:24] <luko> hi[21:54:29] <HaikuUser> you know if tiltos ports still works on haiku ?[21:55:00] <luko> how far usable is current radeon hd driver?[21:56:19] <Cian> HaikuUser in theory they should... gcc2 ones anyway[21:56:27] <Cian> gcc4 ABI can and has changed as its not set yet[21:56:58] <Cian> what are you looking for from tiltos specifically?[21:57:44] <HaikuUser> i see theres ports from most of kde4 apps[21:58:07] * Anarchos is idle: parti manger[21:58:10] <HaikuUser> they can by helpfull considering the lack of up2date beos software[21:58:26] <Cian> luko http://unixzen.com/ has the best details on that as its the blog of the lad writing it[21:58:44] <Cian> they're GCC4 and may not work if they're not compiled for R1a3[21:59:25] <HaikuUser> i see[21:59:45] <HaikuUser> the web page of the tiltos project dont look to by updated on a long time[21:59:53] <HaikuUser> seems to by dead anyway[22:00:40] <luko> Cian; thanks :)[22:00:50] <Cian> there are current QT4 packages for R1a3 anyway: http://qt-haiku.ru/index.php?option=com_rokdownloads&view=file&Itemid=60&id=134:qt-4-7[22:01:57] <HaikuUser> wow[22:02:00] <HaikuUser> that is great :D[22:02:23] <HaikuUser> kde 4 apps look very good on the screenshots, maybe look better that on linux[22:02:44] <Cian> I've only used the QT port for about ten seconds so I've no idea what they look like or how well it works[22:02:46] <HaikuUser> haiku alpha3 is gcc4 or gcc2 ?[22:03:06] <HaikuUser> i figure it out no problem[22:03:07] <Cian> gcc2 hybrid[22:03:15] <HaikuUser> thanks cian[22:03:27] <Cian> core is GCC2, default compiler is GCC2 but it can run properly packaged GCC4 apps[22:03:39] <Cian> and compiler can be switched[22:04:02] <HaikuUser> so you can run any apps compiled[22:04:50] <Cian> GCC4 apps compiled for earlier releases may not run[22:07:16] <HaikuUser> ok[22:15:31] *** Duggan has joined #haiku[22:16:44] <CIA-35> Haiku: korli * r42650 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/ (smp.cpp timer.cpp) http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/42650 : As suggested by Ingo, revert r42648 and apply patch from Alex Smith provided in #7872. Thanks![22:18:18] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[22:19:46] *** Negr0 has quit IRC[22:20:11] <jrabbit> umccullough: any idea if they'll ship the touchpads this weekend or if they only ship on weekdays?[22:23:51] *** luroh has quit IRC[22:24:22] *** luroh has joined #haiku[22:26:00] *** HaikuUser2 has joined #haiku[22:26:19] *** HaikuUser2 has quit IRC[22:29:35] *** Shisui has joined #haiku[22:33:41] *** luko has quit IRC[22:36:39] *** rawfodog has joined #haiku[22:37:13] <rawfodog> why would I use haiku ? What makes it different then other distros ? What is the difference between beOS and linux ?[22:37:23] * rawfodog is a noob but interestted[22:38:47] <scgtrp> it's not a distro, it's an entirely different os[22:38:51] <scgtrp> not linux-based at all[22:39:14] <scgtrp> which you'd use depends on what you're doing[22:43:43] *** luko has joined #haiku[22:43:53] <CIA-35> Haiku: zooey * r42651 /haiku/trunk/headers/os/locale/TimeZone.h http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/42651 : * minor formatting cleanup[22:45:00] <HaikuUser> haiku is much better in my opinion[22:45:13] <HaikuUser> lot faster & repsonsive[22:45:27] <HaikuUser> even for the aplha 3 stability is great[22:45:28] <Cld> it's depend what you want to do...[22:45:32] <HaikuUser> yes[22:45:38] <HaikuUser> for desktop use[22:45:44] <HaikuUser> looks great[22:48:38] <Duggan> linux is good for servers and whatnot, haiku is purely a desktop OS... there are some servers for Haiku, but not many as that's not what it's designed for[22:50:01] <Cld> well... *BSD are lot greater for server... Linux is good for nothing :)[22:50:31] <Cld> But Linux have software... Well... Haiku it's not that for the moment[22:51:00] <Cld> (but it's in progress)[22:52:47] <rawfodog> k[22:53:04] <rawfodog> so if Im a programmer I should stick with my linux, but for my house desktops I should use haiku[22:53:14] <rawfodog> (getting the image right now gonna check it out)[22:53:44] <Cld> haiku is good for developping too ![22:53:55] <Cld> it's depend what you want to develop ![22:53:59] <dobroerlanger> If you're C++ programmer you could use Haiku ;)[22:54:36] <Cld> (vim, gcc, python, you don't need more :))[22:55:09] <HaikuUser> theres a lack of applications but at this moment theres enough stuff to by usable in day to day tasks, for mi. i have it running on dual monitors two 1920x1080 22" and it flies even using a lot of apps web browser open etc.. memory usage repots 125 megabytes usage.[22:55:12] <HaikuUser> :D[22:55:33] *** kieselsteini has joined #haiku[22:55:48] <HaikuUser> im coding on freebasic :D[22:55:59] <Duggan> rawfodog how do we get software for haiku if nobody develops it?[22:56:23] <HaikuUser> good question[22:56:36] * dobroerlanger slaps HaikuUser with a large trout.[22:56:40] <rawfodog> does it use GTK ?[22:56:40] <HaikuUser> what was first the chiken or the egg, seems to by the classic beos problem[22:56:44] <Duggan> rawfodog no[22:56:50] <rawfodog> I'd love to try some stuff out for it :F[22:57:39] <Duggan> the API: http://www.haiku-os.org/legacy-docs/bebook/[22:57:49] <Duggan> the API is entirely object oriented[22:57:52] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[22:59:30] <Duggan> (virtually... there are a few stray functions here and there)[22:59:35] <Cld> rawfodog: GTK exist, but the native API seems to be LOT LOT better...[22:59:52] <jrabbit> qt apps do well.[23:00:05] <Cld> (<troll>but it's not difficult to do better than GTK...</troll>)[23:00:15] <jrabbit> as they always do on any platform heh[23:00:30] * jrabbit thinks Gtk et al gave up on native stuff[23:00:44] <Duggan> the BeAPI was developed at the same time as Qt was originally developed... it's not really known which influenced which, but they are (or at least were) pretty similar[23:02:10] <Duggan> well I can't say "pretty similar" I guess, but they do have similarities[23:07:17] *** Pinaraf has joined #haiku[23:13:42] <rawfodog> So to program in haiku, I need to use the API, and it's OOP ? SO like I gotta use java or Mono ?[23:13:52] <jrabbit> no...[23:15:12] <rawfodog> Ill look at the link :D[23:18:15] *** Nozy has joined #haiku[23:18:18] *** markos_ has quit IRC[23:19:07] *** Cian has quit IRC[23:20:36] *** xissburg has quit IRC[23:21:46] <Duggan> rawfodog no, c++[23:21:58] <Duggan> but it's also largely POSIX compliant[23:22:17] <Duggan> so you can use C if you want (for console apps)[23:22:22] <rawfodog> k[23:22:53] <Duggan> java/mono have not been ported yet[23:24:15] *** [Katisu] has quit IRC[23:24:30] *** luroh has quit IRC[23:25:02] *** [Katisu] has joined #haiku[23:26:06] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[23:26:26] <Duggan> alot of us prefer native apps versus ports so some of us spend more time writing those versus worrying about stuff like that[23:31:50] *** fhein has quit IRC[23:33:37] *** luko has quit IRC[23:35:29] *** Barrett has quit IRC[23:36:49] <rawfodog> k[23:40:56] *** luko has joined #haiku[23:46:10] <HaikuUser> t[23:48:19] *** Negr0 has joined #haiku[23:49:44] <scgtrp> e[23:50:00] <HaikuUser> a[23:50:35] <HaikuUser> this qt ports are great they almost look like haikuapps[23:50:53] <HaikuUser> and run much faster that in linux using the same machine[23:51:24] <HaikuUser> the only problem is that most of the ported apps are usless[23:54:28] *** Cenbe has quit IRC[23:59:22] *** Cenbe has joined #haiku