August 15, 2011 
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Running it off a USB stick. Works fine, but for now, 2 questions.[07:44:14] *** fhein has joined #haiku[07:44:22] <bazakouille> 1. When I open the network window, it says "no link" I have not tried pinging yet, I was going to before talking here, but I forgot. Is there a quick simple solution?[07:44:28] *** rakshasa has quit IRC[07:46:19] <bazakouille> 2. I mounted a Win partition to see how it worked - seems fine. I tried the image editor just to see what would happen if I saved a file. I did, to a Win part. a bmp. It is there, but windows can't read it. The file starts with (as you probably know) HMF1. ?[07:48:45] <bazakouille> OK, just checked my FW setting... It was blockin g all activity... who knows why. I allowed Miranda.[07:49:00] <bazakouille> So if anyone HAS replied, that's why I haven't seen it - MAYBE.[07:50:34] <bazakouille> OK, I haven't used IRC for like 10 years... Is anyone there?[07:50:44] <Corn_man> I am.[07:50:57] <Corn_man> But I don't knowledge to help you.[07:51:02] <Ziusudra> nobody replied[07:51:25] <Ziusudra> was it a FAT or NTFS part?[07:51:43] <bazakouille> OK, thanks... It's FAT32.[07:53:14] <Ziusudra> do mean the file name or contents started with HMF1?[07:53:27] <bazakouille> The contents. The name was what I gave it.[07:54:12] <bazakouille> I used bmp becaiuse I figured if /anything/ would work, it'd be a BMP.[07:54:51] <bazakouille> Needless to say, Haiku DID read the bmp's in that directory, I just made a slight modification to see if it would work.[07:55:22] <bazakouille> And equally needless to say, Win does not even see the Haiku USB stick.[07:55:25] <Ziusudra> I don't know what to tell you, I would have thought that would work[07:56:23] <Ziusudra> so is the network wired or wireless? what chipset?[07:56:27] <bazakouille> Well, that's not a big deal - I will do most of my work in Win still, unless I really grow into H. The inability to connect to the internet is much more crucial - I have really had it with Windows and Internet[07:57:18] <bazakouille> It's a 6-8 year old Intel chipset. It works just fine with windows. It's the pro/100 or something.[07:57:53] *** HaikUbuntu has quit IRC[07:59:21] <bazakouille> I checked my settings to see if I had to enter a dns etc, but no, it's all done automatically. Dynamic IP. I really should have tried pinging - the modem had all the lights on, that;s why I thought it may be something very simple.[08:01:13] <bazakouille> Yeah, Intel PRO/100VM.[08:03:14] <Ziusudra> what general kind of modem? cable?[08:04:05] <bazakouille> It's a 2Wire, and I prefer cables. Like I said, all the lights were on, so there WAS a connection, but the little network window in Haiku said "no link". I looked through Haiku forums but couldn't find anything.[08:04:39] <Ziusudra> how is windows getting network settings? DHCP?[08:05:08] <bazakouille> I believe so...Let me check..[08:06:24] <bazakouille> Yeah, use DHNS for WINS, and DNS disabled. No gateway either. I guess it just gets it all automatically.[08:06:46] <bazakouille> It works perfectly in WIndows - as you can see ;-)[08:07:11] <bazakouille> DHCP, damn.[08:07:45] *** rotundNut has joined #haiku[08:07:59] <Ziusudra> and the Haiku network preference is trying DHCP also?[08:08:45] *** bazakouille4717 has joined #haiku[08:08:56] <bazakouille4717> I have NO idea what happened.[08:09:10] <bazakouille4717> Did I get kicked off because I said damn? ;-)[08:09:19] <Ziusudra> no[08:09:24] <bazakouille4717> OK :-)[08:10:04] <Ziusudra> looks like a random network congestion dc[08:10:12] <Ziusudra> and the Haiku network preference is trying DHCP also?[08:11:27] *** bazakouille has quit IRC[08:11:34] <bazakouille4717> I can;t remember. IIRC, there were no entries anywhere except the first two IP addresses, second one being 255 etc... The rest was empty. I was ging to put in 2 DNS servers, but it shows none in WIndows, so I could not.[08:13:38] <Ziusudra> http://www.haiku-os.org/docs/userguide/en/preferences/network.html[08:14:38] <bazakouille4717> OK. I'll check that out. Thanks. The user guide in haiku was not much use, maybe this will have more.[08:14:57] <bazakouille4717> Yes, this looks good. I'll work with that and see what happens. Thank you very much.[08:14:59] *** HaikUbuntu has joined #haiku[08:15:19] <bazakouille4717> Thanks again, and good day or good night or whatever-)[08:15:30] <Ziusudra> I forget what Adapter: shows if Haiku can't one but it should be something like 'none'[08:15:40] <Ziusudra> your welcome and good luck[08:15:52] <Ziusudra> *you're[08:16:00] <Ziusudra> ;P[08:16:22] <bazakouille4717> :-)[08:16:40] *** bazakouille4717 has quit IRC[08:24:07] *** judgen has joined #haiku[08:32:16] *** judgen has quit IRC[08:39:28] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[08:52:06] *** HaikUbuntu has quit IRC[08:55:59] *** _marc` has quit IRC[09:00:04] *** Advant- has joined #haiku[09:02:16] *** Advant has quit IRC[09:05:58] *** prOSy has joined #haiku[09:09:13] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[09:18:59] *** judgen has joined #haiku[09:19:49] *** jstressman has quit IRC[09:20:19] *** jstressman has joined #haiku[09:23:18] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[09:29:29] *** judgen has quit IRC[09:32:18] *** judgen has joined 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MuteClown has joined #haiku[13:47:02] <MuteClown> .[13:47:15] *** zgaga has quit IRC[13:50:56] *** lukove has joined #haiku[13:51:30] *** disciple has quit IRC[13:53:44] *** disciple has joined #haiku[14:00:49] *** MuteClown has left #haiku[14:10:20] *** zgaga has joined #haiku[14:10:44] <zgaga> Does linux static libraries (like something.a) work under Haiku?[14:13:48] *** ab5tract has joined #haiku[14:15:52] *** zgaga has quit IRC[14:15:55] <scgtrp> no, but ELF static libraries built for haiku do[14:16:04] <scgtrp> timing: i am not good at it[14:18:47] *** ab5tract has quit IRC[14:19:19] <judgen> s sec[14:19:21] <judgen> 2[14:20:36] <Teknomancer> hi judgen[14:20:43] <judgen> hi Teknomancer[14:21:17] <judgen> anyone heard anything about the native webkit browser recently?[14:21:28] <Teknomancer> WebPositive?[14:23:16] <judgen> yeah[14:23:24] <judgen> i am reading about it on wikipedia[14:23:34] <judgen> Is it really included in the images nowdays?[14:23:52] <judgen> and does it have an adblocker?[14:23:52] <PulkoMandy> yes[14:23:57] <PulkoMandy> no, not yet[14:24:11] <PulkoMandy> it still needs some work, it uses a 1-year old webkit port now[14:24:17] <PulkoMandy> and that has some bugs[14:24:26] <PulkoMandy> the network backend uses curl, which is slow[14:24:43] <PulkoMandy> well, not good enough for me to completely give up bezillabrowser[14:24:50] <PulkoMandy> I use both :)[14:25:11] <Teknomancer> but[14:25:18] <Teknomancer> bezilla browser is not shipped with haiku is it?[14:25:24] <Teknomancer> i don't see it here...[14:25:27] <PulkoMandy> it's still an optional package[14:25:34] <PulkoMandy> but not installd by default anymore[14:25:41] <Teknomancer> okay[14:25:46] <Teknomancer> let me try the synthetic pkg manager[14:25:48] *** negusnyul has joined #haiku[14:25:49] <Teknomancer> now is a good time[14:26:01] <PulkoMandy> you don't need synthetic[14:26:08] <PulkoMandy> installoptionalpackage BeZillaBrowser[14:26:13] <PulkoMandy> and that's it[14:26:13] <Teknomancer> ohh okay[14:27:08] <lukove> with QT4 from www.qt-haiku.ru you can doenload and install more webkit browsers[14:28:55] <Teknomancer> hm where can I change the keyboard shortcuts for "alt" and "ctrl" ?[14:29:09] <Teknomancer> i don't find them udner preferences->keyboard or under preferences->shortcuts[14:29:52] *** iIngenu has joined #haiku[14:30:06] *** dru_ has joined #haiku[14:31:00] <Teknomancer> hmm "Cannot write to bezillabrowser-2.0.0.22pre-r1a2-x86-gcc2-2010-05-02.zip (Invalid Argument)[14:32:21] <Teknomancer> hah seems google has bought motorola[14:33:18] <PulkoMandy> Teknomancer: preferences > keymap[14:33:25] <PulkoMandy> (yeah we should merge all of them ...)[14:33:34] <Teknomancer> yeah was thinking the same[14:33:35] <PulkoMandy> mh, disk full ?[14:33:54] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[14:34:06] <Teknomancer> ahh[14:34:15] <Teknomancer> that explains it[14:34:40] <Teknomancer> it's the vmdk[14:34:56] <Teknomancer> they should use expandable VBox VDIs :P[14:44:13] <HeTo> vmdk is as expandable[14:44:56] <HeTo> both have a maximum size they can expand to, because operating systems are usually only written to work with hard drives with finite size[14:46:20] <Teknomancer> how come then the vmdk here is restricted to 686 MB[14:47:09] <Teknomancer> i mean drivesetup sees it as a 686.06MB disk[14:47:32] <Teknomancer> if it were dynamically expanding, it should see it as a larger disk[14:47:50] <HeTo> also reduces the problem of the virtual hard drive taking up more space than the files on it because the operating system wasn't able to tell the virtualization software which parts of the disk it was actually using without special extensions[14:48:00] <HeTo> Teknomancer: the maximum size is set to 686 MB[14:48:04] <Teknomancer> i know about dynamically expanding images[14:48:16] <Teknomancer> yes, but why only 686?[14:48:49] <Teknomancer> you can set it to 12GB for instance, and just run a defrag and from the host side zero-compact the disk[14:48:53] <Teknomancer> the size would be the same[14:49:03] <Teknomancer> just hte guest will then see a 12GB dynamically expanding disk[14:51:52] <PulkoMandy> just we don't have defrag support inhaiku[14:52:09] *** deejam has joined #haiku[14:52:12] <PulkoMandy> and we don't ave any way to tell the emulator which parts of the disk are used[14:52:12] <Teknomancer> it doesn't matter after an initial install[14:52:38] <PulkoMandy> also, it's just converted from the raw image in the build system[14:55:28] *** zgaga has joined #haiku[14:56:50] <deejam> Is PoorMan localized for you guys in Deskbar and Tracker? I would like to know, I have a ticket for that. It might be solved.[14:58:28] *** lukove has quit IRC[15:00:49] <Teknomancer> PulkoMandy: that's not relevant, take a haiku ISO, create a 32GB (max size dynamically expanding VMDK/VDI)[15:00:58] <Teknomancer> install haiku on it. the file size on the host should be around 700MB[15:01:04] <Teknomancer> why not .zip this and redistribute?[15:01:37] <Teknomancer> this has nothing to do with "holes" in the virtual disk , at least no initially after installation[15:01:47] <Teknomancer> this is the whole idea of having dynamically growing disks[15:01:54] <Teknomancer> s/no/not[15:02:38] <Teknomancer> i can now have a ~700MB disk on my host with Haiku, but Haiku now sees a 32GB disk.[15:02:55] *** brrant has joined #haiku[15:03:50] <disciple> Teknomancer: you can do that on your machine anyway. Just create a new expanding image and install from the prebuilt image.[15:04:12] <Teknomancer> disciple: I know that[15:04:38] <Teknomancer> that wasn't my question :)[15:05:56] <Teknomancer> my question was, why distribute a dynamic sized VMDK capped to a such a low limit as 687 MB[15:06:38] *** iIngenu has quit IRC[15:08:07] <disciple> maybe a side-effect of being converted from the raw image. donno.[15:08:24] <Teknomancer> even if you're converting from a raw image, say, VBoxManage convertfromraw works for dynamically expanding VDIs[15:08:32] <Teknomancer> i have to see if VMDK works[15:08:47] <Teknomancer> probably that is the problem, and we don't have time to do a proper VM install of it[15:10:58] <Teknomancer> well, even convert from raw to dynamic VMDK is supported[15:11:13] <Teknomancer> which probably caps it at 686 :)[15:14:21] *** jsj has joined #haiku[15:16:45] <PulkoMandy> Teknomancer: no way to automate installing right now ?[15:16:51] *** [r4] has joined #haiku[15:17:19] <Teknomancer> yeah I guess so, but hold on I'm just checking if convertfromraw can specify the max. size[15:17:20] <PulkoMandy> and you have to build the raw image first before converting it[15:17:26] <Teknomancer> i don't see any reason it shouldn't[15:17:32] <PulkoMandy> (if you want to do it by converting)[15:17:32] <Teknomancer> yes it shouldn't matter[15:18:16] *** zgaga has quit IRC[15:18:22] <PulkoMandy> we also need to boot the image once to do the mimeset stuff, since that makes haiku slower than needed at first boot[15:18:34] <PulkoMandy> patches welcome for all of it :)[15:19:23] <Teknomancer> aah i see[15:19:37] <Teknomancer> yeah each OS has some work to do after the initial install[15:21:14] <HeTo> Teknomancer: just setting the maximum image size when converting from raw wouldn't do the trick, you'd also need to expand the file system to the maximum size[15:21:34] <Teknomancer> right, i was thinking of that[15:21:50] *** hey68you has joined #haiku[15:21:57] <Teknomancer> so right now it's a raw to vmdk conversion[15:22:14] <Teknomancer> not too different from a Live CD[15:22:15] <Teknomancer> in the end[15:22:18] <HeTo> the other option is to make the raw image so big that it's the maximum size of the expandable image, and hope that the conversion process will encode zeros as expandable storage that's not used[15:23:39] *** MatthewH12 has joined #haiku[15:24:40] *** The123king has joined #haiku[15:27:36] *** GeekShad1w has joined #haiku[15:27:37] *** GeekShadow has quit IRC[15:27:47] *** LordLobo has joined #haiku[15:28:26] *** deejam has quit IRC[15:33:42] *** [r4] has quit IRC[15:40:20] *** GeekShad1w is now known as GeekShadow[15:40:36] *** GeekShadow has quit IRC[15:40:36] *** GeekShadow has joined #haiku[15:42:03] *** zgaga has joined #haiku[15:42:31] <zgaga> I'm planning to create very simple to use audio node graph system for Haiku. Anyone interested?[15:45:58] <Teknomancer> zgaga: have you taken a look at Cortex?[15:46:27] <zgaga> yes. but it has many bugs[15:46:53] <zgaga> another reason is that current graph system is too complicated imo[15:47:07] *** redblue has quit IRC[15:47:27] <Teknomancer> i see, not sure of the bugs[15:47:36] <Teknomancer> but when i used it in BeOS for my primitive audio redirection purposes[15:47:39] <Teknomancer> it worked pretty weell[15:48:07] <Teknomancer> like rerouting SoundPlay's filtered output to an audio recorder/disk[15:48:10] *** Alam_Squeeze has quit IRC[15:48:45] <Teknomancer> zgaga: what ideas do you have in mind regarding a new one?[15:48:53] <Teknomancer> as in how different from cortex would it be?[15:50:15] <zgaga> I got idea from mac os'x core audio graph system. I am focusing on simplicity of developing[15:50:50] <Teknomancer> hmm[15:51:03] <Teknomancer> i don't remember dabbling with a cortex-like app on OS X[15:51:08] <Teknomancer> seems interesting though[15:54:11] *** oxoocoffee has joined #haiku[16:03:05] *** fhein has quit IRC[16:03:11] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[16:03:30] *** HaikuUser2 has joined #haiku[16:03:34] *** negusnyul has quit IRC[16:05:19] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[16:05:19] *** HaikuUser2 has quit IRC[16:05:46] *** brianb_ has joined #haiku[16:06:12] *** Alam_Squeeze has joined #haiku[16:08:37] *** brianb has quit IRC[16:09:21] *** rotundNut has joined #haiku[16:14:14] *** lukove has joined #haiku[16:22:28] *** oxoocoff_ has joined #haiku[16:25:31] *** oxoocoffee has quit IRC[16:32:33] *** hey68you has quit IRC[16:35:48] *** lukove has quit IRC[16:40:23] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[16:43:11] *** rotundNut has quit IRC[16:43:27] *** Sue has quit IRC[16:43:46] *** Sue has joined #haiku[16:47:47] *** hoelzro has joined #haiku[16:50:43] <PulkoMandy> zgaga: did you have a look at the Music Weaver, too ?[16:50:58] <zgaga> no, what's that?[16:51:06] <PulkoMandy> anyway, feel free to write your own or improve the existing one :)[16:51:19] <PulkoMandy> it's another graphical connection tool for audio[16:51:39] <PulkoMandy> http://www.goodeveca.net/beos/musicweaver.html[16:52:31] <zgaga> PulkoMandy: Does it use current Haiku's graph systems or it implements it's own?[16:54:33] <zgaga> I mean does it use things from Haiku like BMediaAddOn, BMediaNode... or it has it's own stuff?[16:57:47] <zgaga> well, Music Weaver doesn't come with source code[17:07:47] * mmu_man pays a visit to a hacker space in paris on the return trip from CCC[17:16:51] *** J-Ho has left #haiku[17:20:00] *** kPb_in has joined #haiku[17:26:27] *** MatthewH12 has quit IRC[17:30:16] *** fhein has joined #haiku[17:33:41] *** GeekShad1w has joined #haiku[17:34:09] *** GeekShadow has quit IRC[17:39:35] *** jmelesky has joined #haiku[17:44:06] *** Luko has joined #haiku[17:47:30] *** _marc` has quit IRC[17:59:34] *** kPb_in has quit IRC[17:59:35] *** GeekShad1w is now known as GeekShadow[17:59:50] *** GeekShadow has quit IRC[17:59:50] *** GeekShadow has joined #haiku[18:00:35] *** kPb_in has joined #haiku[18:05:42] *** phalax has joined #haiku[18:11:07] *** kPb_in has quit IRC[18:19:19] *** zgaga has quit IRC[18:23:29] *** The123king has quit IRC[18:24:33] *** phalax has quit IRC[18:26:29] *** zgaga has joined #haiku[18:27:10] *** OmniMancer1 has quit IRC[18:27:37] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[18:29:22] *** dobroerlanger has joined #haiku[18:32:04] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[18:33:43] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[18:37:22] *** luroh has joined #haiku[18:44:51] *** _arjen_ has joined #haiku[18:48:44] *** Negr0 has joined #haiku[18:52:56] <Luko> hi. has haiku ftp client?[18:53:25] <Luko> for uploading files to ftp site[18:55:25] *** _marc` has joined #haiku[18:59:28] <PulkoMandy> ftp in command line, or you can install NetPenguin or Beatware Get-it if you want a GUI[19:00:27] *** scgtrp has quit IRC[19:00:49] <Luko> PulkoMandy: thanks[19:01:03] <Luko> i am go look to haikuware[19:01:27] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[19:01:45] <Luko> netpenguin is from 2000 year[19:03:14] <Teknomancer> and ftp is from 1971[19:03:20] <Luko> :)[19:03:50] <Luko> haiku have BONE compatible stack?[19:06:38] *** negusnyul has joined #haiku[19:11:44] *** aksr has joined #haiku[19:15:05] *** aksr has quit IRC[19:15:16] *** tqh has joined #haiku[19:15:56] *** negusnyul has quit IRC[19:17:08] <PulkoMandy> yes[19:20:19] <dobroerlanger> Hello. How can I install librt?[19:21:17] *** kPb_in has joined #haiku[19:27:48] <CIA-73> HaikuPorts: scottmc * r1765 /haikuports/trunk/media-libs/agar/ (. agar-1.4.1.bep) http://ports.haiku-files.org/changeset/1765 :[19:27:49] <CIA-73> Initial bep file for agar, note that it is currently broken and my need to have BSDBuild ported in order to generate it's[19:27:49] <CIA-73> configure script correctly.[19:35:42] <PulkoMandy> dobroerlanger: as in posix realtime extensions ?[19:37:23] <dobroerlanger> unfortunately I don't know anything about these extensions. I only know that if ld cannot find -lrt that means librt is needed :\[19:37:53] <PulkoMandy> no, you don't need it[19:38:03] <PulkoMandy> it's part of our libroot as libc and libm[19:38:08] <zgaga> Booting Haiku from flash hd would be extremly fast[19:38:11] <PulkoMandy> so just remove the ld flag and it will work[19:38:32] <dobroerlanger> Okay, thank you.[19:39:17] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[19:40:52] *** loll has joined #haiku[19:41:48] *** brianb has joined #haiku[19:41:58] <loll> hi. i'm trying to restobe MBR with bootman but i vain. use BootManager UnInstall|Uninstall|-Uninstall ...[19:42:03] <loll> Any idea ?[19:43:18] *** LordLobo has left #haiku[19:44:27] *** brianb_ has quit IRC[19:45:11] <loll> Any idea for bootman ?[19:46:08] <PulkoMandy> uninstalling will only work if you have a backup of your MBR[19:46:17] <PulkoMandy> would be easier to install something else on it[19:46:30] <loll> and no help flags online[19:46:31] <PulkoMandy> (I don't remember how to put windows default one)[19:47:21] <loll> PulkoMandy; i've got my MBR file and i want to restore this. i've check source but is seems restore is incomplete ....[19:48:24] <loll> and i'm not sure of a dd as i don't know if partition table is included (2048b)[19:49:39] <loll> for windows, need to boot from windows media, emergency console and bootmgr /blah blah....[19:50:02] *** negusnyul has joined #haiku[19:50:40] <PulkoMandy> you should be able to restore just the MBR code with DD[19:50:44] <loll> or something closes to that :-)[19:50:47] <PulkoMandy> using the proper bs and count parameters[19:51:00] <loll> yep ... got them ?[19:51:41] <loll> dd if=MBR of=/dev/disk/ata/4/raw bs=2048 count=1[19:51:47] <PulkoMandy> bs=446 count=1 according to http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_boot_record[19:51:59] <loll> but partition table should be in MBR backup ???[19:52:02] <PulkoMandy> (in order to copy only the MBR code and leave the partition table)[19:53:02] <loll> so MBR file saved by BootManager is biger than boot manager size ?!?[19:53:59] *** phalax has joined #haiku[19:54:10] <PulkoMandy> yes, it stores everything before te start of first partition[19:54:24] <PulkoMandy> (there MAY be other stuff in there depending on what was your original MBR)[19:55:29] <loll> ok, i will restore only the first 446 first byte. thanks. (praying mode)[19:55:56] *** HaikuUser2 has joined #haiku[19:56:00] *** HaikuUser2 is now known as Scollins2[19:56:11] <PulkoMandy> keep a backup of the current one first maybe :)[19:57:22] <loll> yep.... and bootman needs some improvements ;-) not enought end user....[19:58:53] <loll> bye. reboot to check....[19:58:55] *** loll has quit IRC[19:58:55] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[20:01:07] <Scollins2> I rather like bootman, simple,eays and short and sweet.[20:03:17] <PulkoMandy> it needs a GUI for installing[20:04:21] <Scollins2> bootman ? it has a gui[20:04:38] <Scollins2> likely could be improved a bit though[20:07:48] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[20:08:36] *** Luko has quit IRC[20:11:34] *** surrounder has quit IRC[20:13:37] *** surrounder has joined #haiku[20:17:24] *** phalax has quit IRC[20:20:41] *** Stellar has joined #haiku[20:20:41] *** Stellar has joined #haiku[20:22:03] *** negusnyul has quit IRC[20:22:18] *** negusnyul has joined #haiku[20:25:55] *** Stellar has quit IRC[20:25:55] *** trn has quit IRC[20:35:34] *** trn has joined #haiku[20:35:38] *** pgr has joined #haiku[20:39:43] *** tqh has quit IRC[20:40:01] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[20:40:15] *** GeekShadow has quit IRC[20:40:33] *** Negr0 has quit IRC[20:40:51] *** tqh has joined #haiku[20:40:53] *** GeekShadow has joined #haiku[20:43:51] *** dak has quit IRC[20:44:04] *** negusnyul has quit IRC[20:44:58] *** dak has joined #haiku[20:45:12] *** negusnyul has joined #haiku[20:47:45] *** brianb_ has joined #haiku[20:49:49] *** brianb__ has joined #haiku[20:50:27] *** brianb has quit IRC[20:51:03] *** kPb_in has quit IRC[20:52:37] *** brianb_ has quit IRC[21:02:04] *** zgaga has quit IRC[21:03:07] <Anarchos> where is created the ppc bootsector ?[21:04:09] *** oxoocoff_ has quit IRC[21:04:21] *** oxoocoffee has joined #haiku[21:09:36] <dobroerlanger> Wow, I have finally got PANIC. Weird.[21:09:55] <Scollins2> your surprised or it was a concerted effort ?[21:12:02] <dobroerlanger> I am surprised. It is not usual when any system panics just because of configure scripts running. And it is even less usual that I can continue without rebooting.[21:12:33] <Scollins2> depends on what paniced. Haiku seems to take crashing fiarly well for the most part, sort of the design IIRC[21:12:45] <PulkoMandy> rather not hide the errors[21:12:58] <PulkoMandy> but we should fix the bugs someday[21:13:09] <Scollins2> I thought you guys were fixing the bugs ?[21:14:38] *** Colin_Finck|lap has joined #haiku[21:15:20] <PulkoMandy> we are, but not all of them are easy to track[21:15:30] <Anarchos> Scollins2 some try hard to fix but some try harder to find new bugs[21:17:59] <Scollins2> Ah, well I have found a few. Nothing to serious. I still think the quality is fialy high for what Haiku is with the size of the group working on the project. amazing amount of developer talent. Makes me feel good about investing time into the effort 1[21:21:18] *** lukove has joined #haiku[21:24:47] *** brianb has joined #haiku[21:27:10] *** brianb__ has quit IRC[21:27:33] <dobroerlanger> I wonder why are there so many broken ports?[21:27:34] *** stef__ has joined #haiku[21:27:59] <Scollins2> ??? many ports are old and need updating[21:28:28] *** phalax has joined #haiku[21:29:18] *** Corn_man has quit IRC[21:29:36] *** stef has quit IRC[21:30:12] *** Colin_Finck|lap_ has joined #haiku[21:30:22] *** Corn_man has joined #haiku[21:31:51] *** Colin_Finck|lap has quit IRC[21:31:59] *** Colin_Finck|lap_ is now known as Colin_Finck|lap[21:33:59] *** tqh has quit IRC[21:38:48] *** tqh has joined #haiku[21:39:30] *** phalax has quit IRC[21:42:02] *** pgr2 has joined #haiku[21:42:46] *** Colin_Finck|lap has quit IRC[21:43:12] *** pgr2 has left #haiku[21:44:05] *** pgr has quit IRC[21:44:14] *** Colin_Finck|lap has joined #haiku[21:45:02] *** Colin_Finck|lap has quit IRC[21:45:02] *** Colin_Finck|lap has joined #haiku[21:50:05] *** stef__ is now known as stef[21:50:41] <PulkoMandy> dobroerlanger: because people don't take care of doing it properly[21:50:54] <PulkoMandy> please report problems at Haikuware in comments for them :)[21:51:55] <Scollins2> Yes, please do that ![21:52:03] <Scollins2> it irks Karl though[21:52:53] <dobroerlanger> I am trying to make good port instead of reporting about outdated broken port to lazy maintainer :\[21:53:42] <PulkoMandy> not all of them are outdated[21:53:54] <PulkoMandy> but sure, better if you make it properly :)[21:55:04] *** brianb_ has joined #haiku[21:56:22] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[21:57:57] *** brianb has quit IRC[21:58:45] <dobroerlanger> I am trying... But it is hard when you are facing ungoogleable errors :([21:59:06] *** lukove has quit IRC[22:00:38] *** lukove has joined #haiku[22:01:26] <PulkoMandy> ask here, in #haiku-3rdpaty or the haiku-3rdparty-dev at freelists dot org mailing list[22:02:36] *** PasNox has quit IRC[22:03:57] *** nsuperbus has quit IRC[22:05:19] <dobroerlanger> I have just noticed that there is no "nice" command. Is it ok?[22:07:09] *** MatthewH12 has joined #haiku[22:08:11] *** Dane__ has joined #haiku[22:08:14] <Dane__> http://haikuware.com/blogs/entry/fair-harbor-radio-now-running-247-under-haiku[22:08:25] <Scollins2> Hi Dane ![22:08:29] <Dane__> Scollins2 Howdy![22:08:42] <Scollins2> hows it going ?[22:08:52] <Dane__> good! Interesting development in article above[22:09:01] <Scollins2> waiting for it to load[22:09:09] *** disciple has left #haiku[22:09:16] <Dane__> brb[22:12:56] <Dane__> re[22:12:56] *** tqh has quit IRC[22:13:05] *** Ziusudra has joined #haiku[22:13:41] <Scollins2> nice write up.[22:13:50] <auronandace> alpha 3 uses python 2.6 by default, any plans to get python 3.2 installable too?[22:13:57] <Scollins2> I haven't run into the MP3 issues though[22:13:57] *** tqh has joined #haiku[22:18:35] <PulkoMandy> Dane__: great news ! :)[22:18:54] *** oxoocoffee has quit IRC[22:19:05] <Scollins2> tuned into fiarharbor radio now actually[22:19:10] <Dane__> cool![22:19:23] <Scollins2> Dane, is the problem with the mp3 files fixeable with armyknife ?[22:19:25] *** brianb has joined #haiku[22:19:33] <Scollins2> or even the file attribute editors ?[22:19:57] <Dane__> Scollins2 They seem to be misidentified to the system[22:20:01] <Dane__> It doesn't know what to do with them[22:20:05] <Scollins2> link to the ticket ?[22:20:07] <Dane__> Here are some of the ones we've had problems with...[22:20:08] <Dane__> http://www.fairharborradio.com/audiofiles/[22:20:10] <Dane__> sec[22:20:28] <Scollins2> are these files comming from another file system ?[22:20:51] <Dane__> Scollins2 They come from all over[22:21:01] <Dane__> Most of them are public service messages downloaded from the Internet[22:21:02] <Dane__> http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/7848[22:22:13] *** brianb_ has quit IRC[22:22:17] <Dane__> The bottom post is the most clear about the situation[22:23:33] <Scollins2> I think the issue is likely related to header info on the mp3 file. I just popped open some in disk prove known good mp3's and these that fail, the front portions of the files look different, not that I would actually know what differences would matter.[22:23:56] <Dane__> Scollins2 I suspected it was something like that.[22:23:58] <Scollins2> diskprobe[22:24:09] <Scollins2> I just see structural differences[22:24:24] <Scollins2> could be the current mp3 decoder isn't fleixable enough to handle these variances[22:24:38] <Dane__> I think you hit the nail on the head[22:25:26] <Dane__> PulkoMandy :-)[22:25:30] * Scollins2 used to looking at stuff in binary[22:25:32] <Scollins2> lo[22:25:33] <Scollins2> l[22:26:00] <Dane__> Scollins2 Would you be able to add a comment to the ticket regarding what you see/found?[22:26:26] <Scollins2> no, becuase i really don't know What I am adding, things look different, I just can't quantify the differences.[22:26:32] <Dane__> ok[22:26:39] <Scollins2> although, you could diskprobe for yourself ![22:26:44] <Dane__> k thanks[22:26:50] <Scollins2> your programmer would know better then I anyways ![22:27:32] *** vezhlys has joined #haiku[22:27:36] <Scollins2> now, if you got a 1990 transam, I can help you with that binary interpretation, used to edit those eproms in excel and by handwith spreadsheets, god that sucked ! Glad we have gui's for editing now ![22:27:43] <Dane__> lol[22:28:00] <Scollins2> used to just disable the checksum ![22:28:15] <Scollins2> adres 08 set to AA[22:29:00] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[22:30:20] <Dane__> Scollins2 See my added post... https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/7848[22:32:11] <Scollins2> that fine, AFAIK the info about the mp3 file , format, bit rate etc are all stored in the first few bytes. if the translator can't figure it out, it will just throw back WTF is this Dane, what am I supposed to do with this file ?[22:32:15] <Scollins2> know what I am saying ?[22:32:33] <Dane__> sure[22:32:36] <Dane__> Totally[22:32:51] <Dane__> Yeah, the translator might be the tidbit that needs some education[22:32:53] <Scollins2> it's likely some freeware encoder doing a crap job to[22:33:08] <Dane__> Could be, but there are an awful lot of files that don't work in my experience[22:33:15] <Scollins2> AFAIK haiku uses FFmpeg which is very stnadards complaint IIRC[22:33:15] <Dane__> Some of them come from advertising agencies, etc.[22:33:39] <Scollins2> well, advertising agencys could be using some propritary software that has a shitty encoding backend.[22:33:50] <Scollins2> do we know which agencys are generating the garbage files ?[22:33:59] <Dane__> Let me put it another way. :-) BeOS doesn't have any trouble with any of them.[22:34:14] <Scollins2> BeOS also had a purchased MP3 liscense IIRC[22:34:16] <Dane__> Nor does Windows[22:34:26] <Scollins2> could be FFMPEG missed the spec[22:34:47] <Scollins2> either way, it'd be nice to know which agencys and what software they use, could be a trend[22:35:10] <Scollins2> I might gander a geuss at either Adobe audition or ProTools[22:35:12] * Dane__ just doesn't want to see Haiku get released R1 with such wobbly audio file handling.[22:35:30] <Dane__> Scollins2 Could be[22:35:31] <Scollins2> I haven't run into the issue personally and I have a MASSIVE mp3 collection[22:35:48] <Dane__> Scollins2 How much of it is stuff you ripped yourself?[22:36:04] <Scollins2> dane I will try encoding some files to mp3 tonight with protools, adobe audition etc and see if I can replicate the problem.[22:36:12] <Dane__> Nice[22:36:13] <Scollins2> maybe 205 stuff I have ripped myself[22:36:16] <Dane__> Let me know how it goes[22:36:42] <Scollins2> my thought is that some company 'eh hem avid" is likely producing some file using some wierd variation of the specification[22:36:58] <Dane__> Possble[22:37:08] <Scollins2> that would be way in line with their software, I have exported wav stems from protools that canot be imported on ocassion[22:37:18] <Dane__> I *have* noticed it more with the public service announcements than with songs.[22:37:33] <Scollins2> well, who is doing the PSA's by and in large ?[22:37:41] <Scollins2> NPR ?[22:37:56] <Dane__> There isn't a single entity that we can point to...[22:38:01] <Dane__> They come from all over.[22:38:20] <Dane__> But quite a few come from the feds in Pueblo, CO[22:38:29] <Scollins2> they got a site ?[22:38:33] <Dane__> Office of Consumer protection I thinki?[22:38:35] <Dane__> Looking[22:38:43] <Scollins2> any of the ones coming from Pueblo Co not work ?[22:39:30] *** prOSy has quit IRC[22:40:24] <Dane__> Scollins2 Can't tell you right off hand[22:40:30] <Dane__> I can try downloading a few and trying them[22:40:50] <Scollins2> they got a website[22:41:06] <Dane__> Ok[22:41:09] <PulkoMandy> Dane__: they are likely truncated mp3 files with no header[22:41:14] <Dane__> The office of consumer protection and the ad council[22:41:20] <PulkoMandy> this works with most decoders, but not ffmpeg[22:41:21] <Dane__> http://www.adcouncil.org/default.aspx?id=15[22:41:38] <Dane__> k[22:41:43] *** jjido has joined #haiku[22:41:53] <PulkoMandy> (which means we may have problem listening to an icecast stream too, since that also just starts "anywhere" when you connect and start playing)[22:42:03] *** jjido has quit IRC[22:42:22] *** jjido has joined #haiku[22:42:27] 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