August 14, 2011 
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August 14, 2011 [00:00:36] *** diver_ has left #haiku[00:00:51] <helf2> oh, that cpu doesnt do VT[00:00:53] <helf2> i was mistaken[00:01:01] <helf2> according to this, your chipset should work with it (i915)[00:01:01] <helf2> http://ark.intel.com/products/27485/Intel-Pentium-4-Processor-661-supporting-HT-Technology-(2M-Cache-3_60-GHz-800-MHz-FSB)#compatibility[00:01:52] *** diver_ has joined #haiku[00:05:22] *** mmlr has quit IRC[00:06:10] *** _marc` has joined #haiku[00:16:03] *** Stellar has quit IRC[00:23:59] *** scgtrp has quit IRC[00:26:43] *** aksr has quit IRC[00:40:45] *** JavaIrc has joined #haiku[00:41:35] *** JavaIrc is now known as dingolingo[00:44:56] *** VNA9216 has quit IRC[00:51:18] *** dingolingo has quit IRC[00:52:16] *** DaaT has joined #haiku[00:53:28] *** f1assistance has joined #haiku[01:05:16] <CIA-73> Haiku: czeidler * r42632 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/app/ (Desktop.cpp Desktop.h stackandtile/StackAndTile.cpp) http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/42632 : (log message trimmed)[01:05:16] <CIA-73> Activating all windows in a stack caused flickering. The reason to activate all[01:05:16] <CIA-73> windows was to get all windows form a stack into the upper window layers,[01:05:16] <CIA-73> otherwise it was possible that the top layer stack window is activated but[01:05:17] <CIA-73> another window in the stack is at the bottommost layer position. Sending this[01:05:17] <CIA-73> window to the back does not triggered sending the complete stack to the back.[01:05:18] <CIA-73> The send behind call is now redirected to the top most stack window to ensure[01:05:36] *** mmadia42 has quit IRC[01:16:45] *** scgtrp has joined #haiku[01:19:37] *** Tanami has quit IRC[01:27:21] *** f1assistance has left #haiku[01:28:20] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[01:30:39] *** volci has quit IRC[01:33:18] *** dflemstr has joined #haiku[01:56:18] *** jstressman has quit IRC[02:01:26] *** Tukeke has joined #haiku[02:06:18] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[02:10:22] *** MatthewH12 has quit IRC[02:12:16] *** MatthewH12 has joined #haiku[02:14:45] *** dak has joined #haiku[02:25:04] *** Tukeke has quit IRC[02:26:32] *** Tukeke has joined #haiku[02:30:11] <ericxjo> Has anyone here gotten gnash working on a1r3?[02:30:44] *** jstressman has joined #haiku[02:44:49] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[02:46:58] *** ericxjo has quit IRC[02:56:39] *** dflemstr has quit 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has joined #haiku[13:47:20] *** wallone has left #haiku[13:47:43] *** cebulon has joined #haiku[13:49:08] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[13:49:09] *** cebulon has quit IRC[13:49:34] *** cebulon has joined #haiku[13:52:12] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[13:54:08] *** Noz_on_haiku has joined #haiku[13:54:27] <Noz_on_haiku> hi all[14:00:00] <Anarchos> hi Noz_on_haiku[14:00:23] <Anarchos> first step to sparc accomplished : get qemu-system-sparc able to boot a sparc cd iso[14:01:23] <HeTo> are you using OpenBIOS?[14:01:55] <geist> which sparc does that emulate?[14:02:01] <Anarchos> HeTo no idea, i just compiled qemu[14:02:27] <geist> yeah.... might want to get some of those specifics nailed down[14:02:45] <HeTo> Anarchos: at least on Debian OpenBIOS is the default firmware used by qemu-system-sparc[14:03:13] <Anarchos> HeTo qemu version is 0.14.1[14:03:43] <HeTo> of course theoretically everything should run on any Open Firmware-compliant firmware, but in practice e.g. OpenBIOS can't boot Solaris[14:04:26] <HeTo> the firmware probably tells its name and version at the top of the screen when it boots[14:04:36] *** aksr has quit IRC[14:05:17] <Anarchos> HeTo OpenBIOS v1.0 built on Jan 30 2011 08:49[14:08:12] *** aksr has joined #haiku[14:12:22] <Anarchos> HeTo are there options to set/view the emulated machine ?[14:12:55] <HeTo> Anarchos: yes, try qemu-system-sparc -M \?[14:13:21] <HeTo> then there's qemu-system-sparc64[14:13:27] <HeTo> they all probably use OpenBIOS though[14:13:32] <Anarchos> HeTo ok i have all SuperSparc flavours (sun4m sun4d)[14:13:51] <Anarchos> geist it is a SS5 by default[14:14:15] <geist> ah, so it's a sun4m. sparcv8[14:14:25] <Anarchos> yes[14:14:42] <Anarchos> i can try to see if qemu-system-sparc64 works if you want[14:14:57] <HeTo> you can also supply your own firmware file with an option if you find an OpenBOOT one (the one used on real Sun boxes)[14:15:14] <HeTo> although IIRC OpenBOOT doesn't support the display on qemu, you have to use the serial port[14:15:27] <Anarchos> HeTo i will get a real hardware in september[14:15:34] <HeTo> there's also The Machine Emulator (tme)[14:15:43] <geist> yeah, niot sure if the openbios stuff is actual sparc code, or it's some mechanism that traps bios calls and acts like it[14:16:02] <Anarchos> HeTo for now i plan to copy the boot architecture from linux (with Berkeley's prom.h help)[14:16:23] <geist> might want to copy from netbsd[14:16:28] <geist> easier license wise[14:17:02] <Anarchos> HeTo does tme work on haiku ?[14:17:17] <HeTo> no[14:17:27] <Anarchos> so i forget it sadly[14:17:31] <HeTo> I'm not sure how well it runs on Linux either[14:17:33] <Anarchos> ok folks, time to eat[14:17:40] * Anarchos is idle: eating[14:17:46] <HeTo> a slightly obsolete version of it works on FreeBSD, it works best on NetBSD[14:21:25] *** scgtrp has quit IRC[14:24:32] *** tqh has quit IRC[14:24:42] *** disciple has joined #haiku[14:49:24] *** dak has joined #haiku[14:55:18] *** aksr has quit 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<vooshy> Anarchos: not so much on sparc http://wiki.osdev.org/Category:Sparc[16:53:45] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[16:54:45] *** negusnyul has joined #haiku[16:56:54] *** negusnyul has quit IRC[17:04:55] <NeonLicht> Sparc? Haiku or FreeBSD?[17:06:00] <DDevine> SPARC... The only SPARC based thing I've ever seen is my Netgear NAS.[17:06:36] <DDevine> Oh, and some old Sun Microsystems terminals somebody was throwing out.[17:07:03] <NeonLicht> Throwing them? :([17:08:08] <NeonLicht> I love Sun systems, I have 1 Ultra 10, 1 3 Ultra 1, 1 SS20, 1 SS10, 1 Classic, 1 IPC, 2 IPX, and a few external HDDs, CDs, tapes.[17:08:15] <DDevine> Well they're basically useless for modern computing.[17:08:23] <NeonLicht> Unfortunately I don't have any terminals.[17:08:35] <DDevine> I think they were Ultra 10s actually.[17:09:09] <DDevine> I don't really know much about Sun hardware so I can't be sure.[17:09:17] <DDevine> They were popular when I was in nappies.[17:09:37] <NeonLicht> Man, my Ultra 10 is my most powerful Sun box![17:18:50] <vooshy> NeonLicht: in case you missed it earlier - Anarchos> first step to sparc accomplished : get qemu-system-sparc able to boot a sparc cd iso[17:20:54] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[17:21:34] <NeonLicht> I missed that, vooshy, indeed. He referef to Haiku, right?[17:22:08] <NeonLicht> s/referef/referred/[17:22:51] <HaikuUser> hello. If i drop file to the shell script in tracker, how i can catch path/filename in script?[17:22:52] <vooshy> hes attempting to port haiku to sparc as far as im aware - tough job in my opinion.[17:23:21] *** aksr has quit IRC[17:23:51] <NeonLicht> It'd be nice to have Haiku running on Sparc.[17:24:11] <HaikuUser> HELP ME[17:24:15] <pulkomandy> HaikuUser: not sure that works[17:24:25] <pulkomandy> IIRC on BeOs you had to use xicon[17:24:51] <mmadia> HaikuUser btw, CAPS = SHOUTING, which is not appreciated.[17:24:55] <HaikuUser> xicon?[17:25:08] <mmadia> HaikuUser -- you can try scriptPath=`dirname $0` scriptFilename=`basename $0`[17:25:50] <mmadia> ... hmmm, i might've misunderstood what you meant.[17:26:07] <HaikuUser> i tried this. it return filename of script which running[17:26:55] *** DDevine has quit IRC[17:26:56] <pulkomandy> http://www.goodeveca.net/beos/xicon.html[17:27:53] <OmniMancer> I think he wants to know how to get the path of a file dropped onto a shell script from in the script[17:28:39] <pulkomandy> xicon is the only way I know[17:29:04] <pulkomandy> unless there is someting in Haiku I didn't hear about yet[17:29:34] <HaikuUser> i want to make shortcut to qemu which run dropped file that qemu -hda [filename][17:30:16] <vooshy> qemu is broken on haiku[17:30:38] <HaikuUser> in alpha3 it working nice[17:30:54] <HaikuUser> in my[17:32:00] <HaikuUser> any ideas?[17:33:13] <vooshy> back when it worked on my machine i would just create several sh scripts for each hd and just click on each one[17:34:11] <vooshy> or theres the gui wrappers for qemu made over at haikuware[17:35:21] <pulkomandy> (mh... any problem with the xicon solution ?)[17:36:21] <HaikuUser> and xicon pass parameters to the script?[17:36:38] <pulkomandy> yes[17:37:47] <pulkomandy> you just have to drag your script onto the "convert to xicon script" in the xicon folder[17:38:04] <pulkomandy> and it will make it an xicon script, which can use arguments[17:38:07] *** Scollins1 has quit IRC[17:38:35] <pulkomandy> if there's a problem with it, pete goodeve is still around so he will likely be able to help[17:43:07] *** prOSy has quit IRC[17:44:47] <HaikuUser> anybody know how native app catch parameters?[17:46:12] <HaikuUser> maybe i can make wrapper to pass arguments in shell scripts[17:48:22] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[17:48:55] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[17:53:28] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[17:57:29] *** piepsi has quit IRC[18:06:24] *** DaaT has quit IRC[18:07:29] <pulkomandy> HaikuUser: there is a ArgsReceived call in BApplication[18:07:34] <HaikuUser> ok. anybody know how make script which send STDIN to the file file.txt[18:07:34] <pulkomandy> but that's exactly what xicon does[18:12:03] *** prOSy has joined #haiku[18:12:50] *** dru_ has joined #haiku[18:23:10] *** phalax has joined #haiku[18:29:25] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[18:31:57] *** MatthewH12 has joined #haiku[18:35:17] <HaikuUser> ok. Where is placed mimetypes settings?[18:36:18] <humdinger> Filetypes preferences?[18:38:37] <HaikuUser> yep[18:39:16] *** phalax has quit IRC[18:39:18] <humdinger> So, the Filetyped preferences isn't what you're looking for?[18:39:27] <humdinger> *FIletypes[18:40:55] <HaikuUser> i want to associate *.iso with my shell script[18:42:58] *** dru_ has quit IRC[18:43:20] <humdinger> Doesn't it work to set your script as preferred app in Filetypes prefs under application/ISO CD image?[18:46:02] <HaikuUser> dont know. i will try[18:46:25] <humdinger> should work... :)[18:46:35] <Anarchos> NeonLicht i have qemu-system-sparc able to boot netbsd on a haiku host :)[18:47:19] *** negusnyul has joined #haiku[18:47:54] <NeonLicht> Ah, Anarchos, I missunderstood wverything then. I understood Haiku run *on* Sparc.[18:48:15] <Anarchos> NeonLicht not yet, i am not skilled enough for that, but it is one of my goal :)[18:48:35] <NeonLicht> :-)[18:48:56] <Anarchos> NeonLicht i just don't know how to make a basic boot block and test it[18:52:29] <NeonLicht> Isn't it documented for other OSs?[18:52:49] <Anarchos> yes it should[18:52:49] *** ddavid123 has joined #haiku[18:52:53] <Anarchos> but i am not so skilled[18:54:18] <NeonLicht> Perhaps someone on one of the SunHelp lists could give you a hand with that.[18:55:58] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[19:04:50] *** dak has quit IRC[19:06:36] *** ddavid123 has quit IRC[19:09:09] <Anarchos> NeonLicht i wonder if i can reuse openfirmware or if i need to add openboot in src/system/boot/platform[19:10:26] <NeonLicht> No idea, Anarchos.[19:12:27] <Anarchos> NeonLicht i will copy openfirmware and replace some files with a good old bsd_openprom.h :)[19:12:37] <Anarchos> NeonLicht i open the can of worms :)[19:12:51] <NeonLicht> :D[19:15:42] *** The123king has joined #haiku[19:21:40] * GeneralMaximus needs a backup plan[19:21:50] * GeneralMaximus nearly lost 2 years' worth of photos[19:22:22] *** humdinger has quit IRC[19:22:59] *** judgen has joined #haiku[19:23:16] <NeonLicht> You don't need a backup plan.[19:23:24] <NeonLicht> What you need is do some backups! :)[19:23:58] <pulkomandy> GeneralMaximus: 2 kind of computer users : those who already lost important data, and those who will soon lose important data[19:24:19] <GeneralMaximus> heh[19:24:48] <GeneralMaximus> i'm thinking of another external hard drive to go with Time Machine[19:25:23] <GeneralMaximus> hm, but i still need something for email and code[19:27:44] *** luko has joined #haiku[19:28:07] <Anarchos> NeonLicht wow i found a full thesis whose subject is "Porting SPARTAN kernel to SPARC V9 architecture" :)[19:29:11] <NeonLicht> It sounds good, Anarchos :)[19:29:30] <Anarchos> NeonLicht yes i will improve my time learning the V9 :) and the porting process !![19:31:26] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[19:32:56] <NeonLicht> What Sun hardware do you have (and plan to run Haiku on)?[19:35:27] <Anarchos> NeonLicht i should get an enterprise from pfoetchen in september[19:35:51] <Anarchos> NeonLicht currently i have qemu running sparc and sparc64 without graphics on haiku host[19:38:36] *** dru_ has joined #haiku[19:41:22] <CIA-73> Haiku: mmadia * r42633 /haiku/trunk/data/system/data/licenses/Cortex http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/42633 :[19:41:22] <CIA-73> Remove Cortex license file. It is equal to the BSD (3-clause) license and[19:41:22] <CIA-73> AboutSystem lists it as such.[19:41:26] <NeonLicht> Oh, and wouldn't it be better to run Unix on the Enterprise?[19:44:35] *** aksr has joined #haiku[19:45:05] *** dak has joined #haiku[19:47:53] *** Barrett has quit IRC[19:47:54] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[19:47:59] *** HaikuUser is now known as Scollins1[19:50:08] <Anarchos> NeonLicht i am just interested in learning sparc assembly and porting haiku :)[19:50:51] <CIA-73> Haiku: mmadia * r42634 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/cortex/ (224 files in 22 dirs) http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/42634 : Moved Cortex license file into each of its source files. No functional change.[19:53:05] *** Scollins1 has quit IRC[20:03:36] * Anarchos wonders why Vision has a thread named "seti at home" :)[20:08:19] <jrabbit> lolol[20:10:21] *** lollo64it has quit IRC[20:11:24] *** oco has quit IRC[20:11:28] <CIA-73> Haiku: mmadia * r42635 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/cortex/ (31 files in 4 dirs) http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/42635 :[20:11:28] <CIA-73> Adjusted the copyright header, to account for Be Sample Code License and[20:11:28] <CIA-73> copyrights. Automatic whitespace cleanup. 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