August 13, 2011 
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August 13, 2011 [00:05:21] *** luroh has quit IRC[00:05:23] *** pfoetchen is now known as pfoetchenCCC[00:14:07] *** hoelzro has quit IRC[00:16:01] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[00:42:50] *** oco has joined #haiku[00:46:00] *** fhein has quit IRC[00:58:03] *** oco has quit IRC[00:59:37] *** scgtrp has quit IRC[01:10:54] *** Duggan has joined #haiku[01:12:47] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[01:24:59] *** PasNox has quit IRC[01:29:32] *** lollo64it has quit IRC[01:31:40] *** Nozy has joined #haiku[01:34:33] *** Nozy has left #haiku[01:35:01] *** lollo64it has joined #haiku[01:46:01] <CIA-73> Haiku: mmadia * r42627 /haiku/trunk/data/system/data/licenses/Be Sample Code License http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/42627 : Added the Be Sample Code License.[01:46:12] *** DaaT has quit IRC[01:46:55] *** DaaT has joined #haiku[01:49:22] *** hdanak has joined #haiku[01:51:45] *** mmu_CCC has quit IRC[01:56:31] *** lollo64it has quit IRC[02:00:54] *** lollo64it has joined #haiku[02:01:45] *** negusnyul has quit IRC[02:05:08] *** lollo64it has quit IRC[02:09:52] *** lollo64it has joined #haiku[02:12:09] *** _arjen_ has quit IRC[02:19:08] *** jmelesky has quit IRC[02:19:28] *** lollo64it has quit IRC[02:22:53] *** lollo64it has joined #haiku[02:26:38] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[02:41:30] *** eriaranth000 has joined #haiku[02:41:52] *** VNA9216_ has quit IRC[02:42:58] *** dak has quit IRC[02:50:42] *** DaaT has quit IRC[02:53:57] *** lollo64it has quit IRC[03:06:43] *** lollo64it has joined #haiku[03:23:48] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[03:58:53] <CIA-73> Haiku: mmadia * r42628 /haiku/trunk/build/jam/OptionalPackages http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/42628 : Automatic whitespace cleanup. No functional change.[04:36:16] <CIA-73> Haiku: mmadia * r42629 /haiku/trunk/data/bin/ (install-wifi-firmwares.sh installoptionalpackage) http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/42629 : Minor cleanup. No functional change.[04:39:31] <CIA-73> Haiku: mmadia * r42630 /haiku/trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs) http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/42630 : Added two scripts, which attempt to load the appropriate localized docs.[04:54:15] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #haiku[04:58:03] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[05:04:45] *** Feint has joined #haiku[05:05:36] *** Skipp_OSX has joined #haiku[05:12:39] <CIA-73> Haiku: mmadia * r42631 /haiku/trunk/data/system/data/licenses/Cortex http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/42631 : Added the license file for Cortex, from docs/apps/cortex/license.html[05:19:14] *** DDevine has joined #haiku[05:19:53] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[05:21:56] *** eriaranth000 has quit IRC[05:30:56] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[05:40:17] *** Stellar has quit IRC[05:48:55] *** kPb_in_ has joined #haiku[05:59:48] *** Disreali has quit IRC[06:16:27] *** bbjimmy has joined #haiku[06:26:59] *** hdanak has quit IRC[06:32:28] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[06:42:15] *** mmadia has quit 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The123king has quit IRC[12:04:01] *** The123king has joined #haiku[12:12:05] *** The123king has quit IRC[12:12:22] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[12:14:05] *** The123king has joined #haiku[12:14:25] <Anarchos> Sparc port on the tracks :)[12:28:55] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[12:30:54] *** Ziusudra has quit IRC[12:31:49] *** kPb_in has joined #haiku[12:34:18] <geist> yep. should bust out the old ss20 to play[12:34:28] *** negusnyul has joined #haiku[12:34:32] <geist> think it's quad core, or at least dual[12:34:46] *** Nozy has joined #haiku[12:35:38] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[12:35:54] *** Nozy has left #haiku[12:37:04] *** kPb_in has quit IRC[12:41:19] <Anarchos> geist ss20 quad core ??[12:41:43] <Anarchos> anyway i dislike the confusion between processors and cores today,[12:41:53] <Anarchos> cause in multicores there is only one cache !![12:44:23] <geist> not entirely, no. it's more complicated now[12:44:31] <geist> there are multiple levels of cache, multiple levels of memory, etc[12:47:31] <Anarchos> geist but i don't remember that ss20 could be four processors ![12:49:12] <geist> yeah, there were dual cpu cards[12:49:24] <geist> though i seem to remember they were prone to overheating[12:54:40] *** _arjen_ has joined #haiku[12:54:47] *** Duggan has quit IRC[12:55:53] *** Duggan has joined #haiku[12:57:25] <Anarchos> geist should not be a problem with modern fans :)[12:59:02] *** piepsi has quit IRC[12:59:43] <geist> yeah, but remember the pizza boxes weren't that well ventilated[13:03:26] <Anarchos> geist do you know if openfirmware and openboot prom are same things ?[13:07:58] <Anarchos> i wonder if i can reuse the openfirmware dirs or if i should add openboot files[13:08:08] <Anarchos> like berkeley famous prom.h and so on[13:12:43] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[13:13:38] *** Barrett has quit IRC[13:14:48] <geist> i think it depends[13:14:55] <geist> iirc, openprom was a precursor to openfirmware[13:16:29] <Anarchos> yes i know but i want to compile for real hardware so no idea of which include files i need[13:22:41] <geist> you're doing the sparc port?[13:27:45] <Anarchos> geist i try yes[13:28:03] <geist> are you familiar with sparc and the architecture?[13:28:21] <Anarchos> geist no, i never did assembly so i thought why not learning sparc assembly while porting haiku ?[13:30:35] <geist> ahhh. well....[13:30:53] <geist> you know porting an os to an architecture like sparc is *extremely* hard, right?[13:31:47] <jrabbit> more productive than making your own toy OS though.[13:32:09] <geist> you insinuating something?[13:32:56] <jrabbit> geist: no.[13:33:22] <jrabbit> I have a friend writing his own kernel[13:34:21] <jrabbit> geist: sorry if that came off wrong[13:34:28] <geist> kk[13:35:06] <geist> well, my 'toy os' that i hacked ended up turning into haiku[13:35:12] <geist> so...[13:42:45] *** Feint_ has joined #haiku[13:46:01] *** Feint has quit IRC[13:48:22] *** GeekShadow has joined #haiku[14:08:41] <Anarchos> geist lol[14:09:42] * geist goes to sleep[14:11:08] *** tqh has joined #haiku[14:11:19] *** Feint_ has quit IRC[14:16:01] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[14:16:26] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[14:21:39] *** leszek has joined #haiku[14:21:44] <leszek> hi[14:24:03] <Anarchos> hi leszek[14:28:36] <Sue> i wish i knew a way i could help other than bug reports[14:29:31] <Anarchos> Sue translations ? Documentations ?[14:30:18] <Sue> that's why i said i couldn't do bug reports ;D i have a terrible time describing things[14:35:06] <Sue> i've loved watching haiku grow over the years but i can't ever make sense of the abi to port any of my favorite things over[14:40:34] *** _marc` has quit IRC[14:42:11] <Anarchos> Sue what are your favorite things ?[14:50:47] *** urnenfeld has joined #haiku[14:51:01] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[14:55:22] *** _marc` has joined #haiku[15:01:38] *** urnenfeld has quit IRC[15:02:00] *** mmadia has quit IRC[15:05:34] *** urnenfeld has joined #haiku[15:11:09] *** dak has quit IRC[15:11:38] *** dak has joined #haiku[15:14:06] *** GeekShad1w has joined #haiku[15:16:28] *** GeekShadow has quit IRC[15:19:22] *** GeekShad1w is now known as GeekShadow[15:19:38] *** GeekShadow has joined #haiku[15:22:19] *** tqh has quit IRC[15:23:24] *** tqh has joined #haiku[15:25:31] *** Stellar has joined #haiku[16:07:15] *** oco has joined #haiku[16:07:46] *** mmu_man has 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has joined #haiku[21:21:49] *** Barrett has quit IRC[21:29:54] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[21:48:58] *** nsuperbus has quit IRC[21:51:52] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[21:57:37] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[21:57:54] *** HaikuUser is now known as ericxjo[21:58:16] *** DaaT has quit IRC[21:58:16] *** luroh has joined #haiku[21:59:33] *** aksr has quit IRC[22:05:43] *** brechtm has left #haiku[22:09:31] *** Ziusudra has joined #haiku[22:12:23] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[22:12:31] *** aksr has joined #haiku[22:17:32] *** tqh has quit IRC[22:27:45] *** ablyss has joined #haiku[22:28:41] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[22:32:43] *** Tukeke has joined #haiku[22:32:44] *** Tukeke has joined #haiku[22:34:25] *** Tukeke has left #haiku[22:40:00] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[22:40:22] *** MatthewH12 has joined #haiku[22:45:45] *** mmlr has joined #haiku[22:47:48] *** The123king has quit IRC[22:47:57] <helf2> hi[22:49:33] <mmadia> 'lo[22:51:07] <Anarchos> hi mmadia[22:51:16] <Anarchos> i am recompiling qemu[22:51:31] <mmadia> Cool.[22:51:45] <mmadia> Orchestra digerwas trying that the other day[22:52:17] <Anarchos> mmadia it is easy in fact, just to tweak so macors in softfloat-native.h[22:52:25] <Anarchos> some macros[22:53:13] <helf2> is it qemu with acceleration?[22:54:30] *** phalax_ has joined #haiku[22:56:54] *** phalax has quit IRC[22:57:20] <Anarchos> helf2 no idea in fact[22:58:08] <mmlr> what version?[22:58:18] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[22:58:42] <helf2> oh[23:00:36] <Anarchos> mmlr 0.14.1[23:01:19] <mmlr> as mentioned I did already port that[23:01:54] <mmlr> but there are some underlaying issues that prevent it from working[23:02:25] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[23:02:54] *** _arjen_ has quit IRC[23:03:03] <Anarchos> mmlr that is why i compile in debug mode :)[23:03:28] <mmlr> also, it will require kvm, as otherwise it's pretty pointless[23:05:19] <Anarchos> mmlr is it to be downloaded separately ?[23:06:22] *** ablyss has quit IRC[23:06:39] <mmlr> it is a linux kernel module[23:07:10] <helf2> is that hte module that lets it pass off actual cpu opcodes without running them through an emulated chip?[23:07:58] *** PasNox has quit IRC[23:09:39] <mmlr> yes[23:10:10] <mmlr> without it, most anything will be too slow to be usable[23:11:02] <mmlr> back then there was kqemu, which already was kind of a bit faster than plain emulation[23:11:30] <mmlr> but this is not supported anymore, in favor of kvm[23:11:38] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[23:11:44] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[23:12:28] <mmlr> that's also why everything besides linux is stuck with qemu <= 0.11[23:12:55] <helf2> ah[23:15:25] *** fhein has quit IRC[23:15:55] *** oco has joined #haiku[23:16:41] *** oco has quit IRC[23:22:55] *** _marc` has quit IRC[23:24:38] <Anarchos> helf2 i wonder how you can pass the opcodes to the chip without troubles[23:24:42] *** mmlr has quit IRC[23:25:06] *** mmlr has joined #haiku[23:26:28] *** mmlr has quit IRC[23:27:07] *** mmlr has joined #haiku[23:27:16] <helf2> no idea. I dont code :p[23:27:26] <helf2> it sounds like virtualization done completely in software[23:27:48] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[23:30:05] *** scgtrp has joined #haiku[23:30:17] *** mmadia42 has joined #haiku[23:31:48] *** mmadia has quit IRC[23:32:49] <Anarchos> helf2 the accelerant is the inverse : take virtual code and execute on real chip[23:35:06] <helf2> oh[23:35:08] * jrabbit shakes fist at pentium 4 for not being able to conver ogv fast[23:35:53] <scgtrp> jrabbit: sounds like you need more p4s![23:36:00] *** phalax_ has quit IRC[23:36:12] <helf2> maybe you should use a better video format ;)[23:36:22] <jrabbit> scgtrp: well I am expecting it to do something I've only done of a quad core xeon XD[23:36:30] <helf2> lol[23:36:46] <scgtrp> helf2: pfft, take any excuse you can to build an epic array of p4s covering an entire wall[23:36:48] <jrabbit> but I did convert this video in advance so that should'nt matter[23:36:58] <helf2> scgtrp, that scares me[23:37:16] <helf2> i actually have a pile of 2.8 and 3ghz p4 boards with 512mb to 1gb ram each sitting next to my pc at work[23:37:19] <helf2> 10 of them[23:37:32] <scgtrp> not nearly big enough, but it's a start[23:37:38] <jrabbit> helf2: omg want[23:37:38] <scgtrp> get some duct tape and get started[23:37:50] <jrabbit> helf2: build a haiku build cluster for mmadia42[23:37:54] <helf2> lol[23:38:02] <jrabbit> helf2: buildbot works on linux :P[23:38:03] <helf2> i just ujpgraded our classroom at work to i3s[23:38:13] <helf2> so its the left over bits[23:38:26] <jrabbit> hm I really can't take them I'm moving in soon >_>[23:38:55] <helf2> :p[23:38:57] <helf2> where to?[23:39:27] <jrabbit> Hampshire in Amherst, MA[23:39:29] <jrabbit> :3[23:39:41] <helf2> ah, neat[23:39:50] <jrabbit> I'm bringing that p4 with me on the plane I think + laptop[23:40:18] <helf2> is it s478 or lga775?[23:40:31] <helf2> i have a p4 661. D0 stepping (65w tdp!)[23:41:04] <helf2> hyperthreading, 2MB cache, 800mhz fsb, vt, 64bit, sse3, ran great at 4.7ghz with little vcore raising :p[23:41:20] <helf2> its a cedarmill core, default is 3.6ghz[23:41:32] <helf2> as far as netburst goes, it was pretty pimp[23:44:13] <jrabbit> helf2: hmmm I donno[23:44:21] <jrabbit> oh the conenctor 775.[23:44:35] <jrabbit> mine is the oen right before they added vt >>[23:44:38] <jrabbit> *one[23:45:05] <helf2> bios might still work with it[23:45:13] *** luroh has quit IRC[23:45:15] <helf2> ive had plenty of machines boot up and say unsupported cpu and then keep running :p[23:45:20] <helf2> whats the chipset?[23:45:47] <jrabbit> https://gist.github.com/1144275[23:46:04] <jrabbit> gah side scrolling is so broken in chrome now[23:46:30] <jrabbit> they made two finger side swipe the forqard/back gesture its very bggy (in dev channel)[23:46:43] <jrabbit> wow my typing is really terrible today sorry.[23:49:18] <helf2> i dont care for chrome much[23:49:32] <helf2> im using it on this laptop because its the default browser and im too lazy to change it, lol[23:50:09] <helf2> jrabbit, i need your actual northbridge model to determine if this cpu will function with it[23:50:31] <jrabbit> huh oh you mean you'd give me the cpu? XD[23:50:37] <jrabbit> how do I determine that[23:51:35] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[23:52:06] <helf2> type in[23:52:14] <helf2> dmesg | grep Chipset[23:52:17] <helf2> case sensitive[23:52:54] <jrabbit> not in dmesg[23:52:58] <jrabbit> does dmesg get cut off?[23:53:04] <jrabbit> i.e. its been runnign forever[23:53:12] <helf2> oh[23:53:13] <helf2> i dunno[23:53:15] <helf2> maybe?[23:53:36] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[23:53:36] <jrabbit> sudo grep Chipset /var/log/kern.log[23:53:37] <helf2> is it an intel chipset? try dmesg | grep intel and see what it spits out[23:53:38] <jrabbit> no dice[23:53:45] <jrabbit> yeah its intel[23:54:02] <helf2> is it an oem box?[23:54:08] <jrabbit> helf2: oh yeah[23:54:46] <jrabbit> hmmm I don't have the guide anymore (damn I didn't back up that whole books/text folder)[23:54:51] *** judgen has quit IRC[23:55:05] <jrabbit> lemme grab the faceplate[23:55:14] <jrabbit> dimension 4700[23:56:13] <jrabbit> dell ofc[23:57:27] *** Anarchos has quit IRC