August 4, 2011 
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August 4, 2011 [00:03:49] *** Barrett has quit IRC[00:04:42] *** brrant has quit IRC[00:05:01] <Duggan> hrm[00:05:58] *** GeekShadow has quit IRC[00:21:11] *** krckor has joined #haiku[00:23:42] *** Ingenu has left #haiku[00:27:12] <binkySMC> http://haikuware.com/directory/view-details/utilities/desktop-accessories/scriptassistant[00:27:14] <binkySMC> AWESOME ![00:27:59] <CIA-73> Haiku: tqh * r42559 /haiku/trunk/build/jam/UserBuildConfig.sample http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/42559 : Adding a sample on how to add a gfx driver, which is a driver and an accelerant. Makes a good example imo.[00:30:44] *** krckor has quit IRC[00:31:00] <PulkoMandy> binkySMC: mh... we may be able to drop manpages :)[00:31:33] <PulkoMandy> but... I'd rather use http://pulkomandy.lexinfo.fr/~beosarchive/?file=archive/nosource/util/homer_v1.0_x86.zip to NOT write shellscripts anymore :)[00:31:40] <binkySMC> nice little app, thankfully someone did it, I SUCK at terminal ![00:32:11] <binkySMC> Pulkomandy, you notice any regressions in webpositive performance with long term use ?[00:32:19] <binkySMC> IE installts that are a few months old ?[00:32:33] <PulkoMandy> BeZillaBrowser still has some annoying memory leak[00:32:52] <PulkoMandy> but the ones in app_server now seems fixed,we're moving in the good direction ;)[00:33:14] <binkySMC> no, not memory leak, MASSIVE cpu consumption and sluggish network behavior after a few weeks of regular use ![00:33:39] *** DaaT has joined #haiku[00:33:43] <Duggan> weeks? you mean days/hours right?[00:33:57] <binkySMC> this machine has a 3 month old dialy used 24hr on install cycle, most everything seems to work OK, but web+ just brings this thing to its knees[00:34:02] <binkySMC> I mean MONTHS[00:34:21] <binkySMC> 3 months old, on 24/7 continous use. dialy, hourly etc. I use this machine alot.[00:34:25] <Duggan> lol if your machine hasn't been rebooted in months, it might be a good idea to update :P[00:34:37] <binkySMC> It's been rebooted in the last 48 hours[00:34:48] <Duggan> then you do mean days/hours :)[00:34:53] <Duggan> lol[00:34:58] <binkySMC> I noticed web+ really sucking cpu on my home machine which ain't no slouch[00:35:11] <binkySMC> well, aside from power outages, this machine is always on[00:38:16] <PulkoMandy> well; Web+ is not really finished[00:38:39] <PulkoMandy> feel free to patch around :)[00:39:03] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[00:41:09] *** Out`Of`Control has joined #haiku[00:45:41] *** tqh2 has quit IRC[00:46:36] <mmu_man> LOL http://www.nbwn.com/products/4188/notebook-accessories/other-accessories/brainboxes-expresscard-1-port-rs232-45k1775.html[00:47:43] <saivert> I just got a regular USB-serial cable[00:47:59] <mmu_man> so do I, still it's funny it don't want to die[00:48:15] <saivert> well I use it for controlling servers without keyboard/monitor[00:48:22] <saivert> serial console gotta love it[00:48:47] <saivert> unfortunately it doesn't beat KVM over IP though[00:48:52] <saivert> but it doesn't cost as much[00:48:53] <binkySMC> wow, pcmcia serial cards, why do laptops even have those ports anymore with usb 2.0 around ?[00:49:15] <mmu_man> binkySMC: it's not even pcmcia, it's *ExpressCard*[00:49:16] <binkySMC> give me more usb 2 and 3 ports, they can keep the pcmcia ports[00:49:23] *** tqh has quit IRC[00:49:27] <binkySMC> oh is that the new version of PCIE for laptops ?[00:49:42] <mmu_man> it replaces pcmcia yeah[00:49:43] <saivert> Expresscard can use both USB or PCIexpress 1x[00:49:49] <binkySMC> give me more usb, my only beef with my toughbook, one usb port[00:49:53] <saivert> the slot has pins for both buses[00:50:07] <binkySMC> thats nice, shame my toughbook doesn't support it[00:50:47] <saivert> besides having certain devices integral is better than cables floating around.[00:51:05] <mmu_man> other things like http://www.nbwn.com/products/11970/notebook-accessories/other-accessories/usb-30-expresscard-erweiterungskarte.html[00:51:22] <HeTo> Expresscard replaces Cardbus, which replaced PCMCIA[00:51:47] <HeTo> although Cardbus slots were compatible with PCMCIA cards unlike Expresscard[00:53:34] *** negusnyul has quit IRC[00:56:14] *** _arjen_ has quit IRC[00:58:15] <mmu_man> yep[00:59:22] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[01:03:02] <binkySMC> I just want 2 usb ports, not one. but panasonic made their choices.[01:03:27] <binkySMC> http://www.nbwn.com/products/11970/notebook-accessories/other-accessories/usb-30-expresscard-erweiterungskarte.html[01:03:29] <binkySMC> do want ![01:06:18] *** aksr has quit IRC[01:16:17] *** PasNox has quit IRC[01:17:59] <binkySMC> ttyl[01:18:06] *** binkySMC has quit IRC[01:25:49] *** Stellar has quit IRC[01:26:11] <CIA-73> Haiku: kallisti5 * r42560 /haiku/trunk/ (5 files in 3 dirs) http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/42560 :[01:26:11] <CIA-73> * create area for AtomBIOS[01:26:11] <CIA-73> * clone mapped AtomBIOS area into accelerant[01:29:21] <CIA-73> Haiku: kallisti5 * r42561 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/accelerants/radeon_hd/accelerant.cpp http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/42561 : * bug fix, wrong offset[01:32:25] *** DaaT has quit IRC[01:36:12] *** ericxjo has quit IRC[01:36:56] <CIA-73> Haiku: scottmc * r42562 /haiku/trunk/build/jam/OptionalPackages http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/42562 : Updated apr to 1.4.5, apr-util to 1.3.12 and subversion to 1.6.17.[01:39:35] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[01:50:27] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[01:54:25] <CIA-73> Haiku: czeidler * r42563 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/app/stackandtile/ (StackAndTile.h Stacking.cpp Tiling.cpp) http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/42563 : Disable S&T debug output and fix typo.[01:58:16] *** Barrett has quit IRC[01:58:36] *** Pinaraf has quit IRC[02:01:26] <tiffany> It turns out that I already have 4 primary partitions.. yay[02:09:07] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[02:09:10] *** HaikuUser is now known as BINKYSMC[02:10:22] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[02:13:18] *** Skipp_OSX has quit IRC[02:14:08] <Duggan> sounds to me like gallium very well may be a no-go[02:14:34] *** Tanami has quit IRC[02:14:34] *** Tanami has joined #haiku[02:18:40] *** Nozy has joined #haiku[02:22:43] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[02:23:25] *** jmelesky has quit IRC[02:26:12] <HaikuUser> Hello. I am using a laptop with Haiku, connected to another laptop with Win7, which has wireless usb networking.[02:26:40] <HaikuUser> Why does not my Haiku laptop connect to my USB networking card?[02:27:12] <mmadia> wireless usb networking isn't supported yet.[02:27:35] <HaikuUser> Bridge mode with rj-45 is a bit annoying. But I still prefer Haiku.[02:27:57] <HaikuUser> Any work going into this?[02:28:39] <mmadia> at the moment, none that i'm aware of.[02:36:38] <HaikuUser> What is being worked on right now? I understand that WPA is being worked on. Any other things?[02:38:34] <HaikuUser> Like... there's a bug preventing me from booting Haiku on my newest laptop with Sandy Bridge. Any work on fixing that?[02:40:58] <jrabbit> HaikuUser: is it filled?[02:41:35] <jrabbit> HaikuUser: also /nick to a unique nickname if you please[02:41:39] <jrabbit> http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/7869 relevant?[02:41:46] *** cb88 has joined #haiku[02:41:51] *** HaikuUser is now known as Dilbert[02:42:22] *** Dilbert is now known as AcerAspire[02:42:41] <jrabbit> ah that is your ticket :P[02:43:30] <AcerAspire> The bug was filed by someone else. I added my info to it to prove that the bug exist on my omputer too.[02:44:37] <AcerAspire> http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/7869 here it is. I am Dilbert on the forums, but the nick is already taken on IRC.[02:44:39] <jrabbit> well you'll be CC'd it looks like.[02:45:08] <AcerAspire> CC'd, what does it mean?[02:45:17] <Duggan> carbon copied....[02:45:24] <Duggan> if somebody posts something on the ticket you'll get an email[02:45:33] <Duggan> or modifies the ticket in any way[02:45:46] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[02:47:36] <jrabbit> AcerAspire: http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/7665[02:47:49] <jrabbit> maybe look throguh the blockers of that and see if those are applicable[02:48:15] <jrabbit> the code bits involving it haven't changed recently so I'm thinking its a platform issue[02:49:15] <jrabbit> AcerAspire: you have to click add to cc though[02:50:23] * jrabbit added soem keywords[02:53:15] <AcerAspire> One thing that's preventing me from using *only* Haiku is video.[02:53:46] <AcerAspire> I am not speaking of YouTube, but noprmal streaming from my country's national broadcast company[02:54:15] <AcerAspire> VLC can handle mms: streams, but WebPositie will not send them to VLC.[02:55:02] <Duggan> try bezilla.... web+ isn't finished yet[02:55:56] <jrabbit> AcerAspire: odd[02:56:07] *** TN-048 has joined #haiku[02:56:09] <jrabbit> bezilla is kind of dated though[02:56:28] *** Barrett has quit IRC[02:56:30] <jrabbit> AcerAspire: if the mms streams change maybe you coudl write a html scraper for them[02:58:07] <saivert> better port Firefox 5 over then[02:58:13] <saivert> gcc4 right??[02:58:16] <AcerAspire> I am unfortunately not a programmer. Just a Haiku fan and occationally a financial contributer.[02:59:30] <cb88> saivert : you mean firefox 8 ?[02:59:42] <cb88> why bother with the current stable :P[02:59:44] <saivert> oh yes[02:59:56] <jrabbit> AcerAspire: its very easy to scrape a url[03:00:03] <jrabbit> AcerAspire: its about as simple as css[03:00:04] <AcerAspire> how[03:00:22] <jrabbit> http://www.crummy.com/software/BeautifulSoup/[03:00:56] <jrabbit> https://code.google.com/p/html5lib/[03:01:49] <jrabbit> AcerAspire: if you link me I could do it pretty easily[03:02:09] <AcerAspire> http://www.nrk.no/nett-tv/klipp/769142/ link to a news broadcast[03:02:55] <saivert> Norsk du ja[03:03:01] <AcerAspire> jepp[03:03:04] <jrabbit> AcerAspire: https://github.com/jrabbit/python-snippets/blob/master/tcmotw.py thats a site that requires a login and scrapes a html element's text[03:03:04] <saivert> world is small[03:03:36] <jrabbit> AcerAspire: where is there an mss:// url? :P[03:04:24] <jrabbit> "/nett-tv/silverlight/getmediaxml.ashx?id=769142&hastighet=2422&vissuper=true" ?[03:04:51] <jrabbit> AcerAspire: how do you normally do this?[03:04:59] <AcerAspire> This is the NRK's website with streamable video. I don't know how to play it in Haiku. And I am not a programmer.[03:05:27] <AcerAspire> Normally, in Windows or Linux, there will be a box with video playing on the website.[03:05:30] <TN-048> There's no flash support in Haiku...[03:05:38] <augiedoggie> it's not flash[03:05:38] <TN-048> I beleive that is what you need[03:05:42] <jrabbit> AcerAspire: oh I thoguht you had it working in vlc[03:05:42] <augiedoggie> mms://straumod.nrk.no/disk01/Kveldsnytt/2011-07-30/NRK1_201107302309_NNFA_230730_11_488_1000.wmv[03:05:43] <tiffany> html 5 is better than flash[03:05:45] <saivert> That site also uses Windows Media Video plugin[03:05:45] <jrabbit> nvm.[03:05:54] <jrabbit> AcerAspire: oh how'd you pull that[03:06:01] <jrabbit> err augiedoggie *[03:06:08] <jrabbit> saivert: and silverlight[03:06:11] <AcerAspire> Is it flash? In Linux I usually right click on the video box, and choose Copy URL, then paste it in VLC[03:07:04] <augiedoggie> there's an embedded link to an aspx page which contains the stream links[03:07:05] <jrabbit> looks like silverlight[03:07:18] <saivert> yes if he choses that[03:07:28] <saivert> for me it plays in an embedded windows media player control[03:07:39] <saivert> anyways the video is .wmv[03:07:56] <jrabbit> augiedoggie: I don't get that without silverlight >_<[03:08:10] <augiedoggie> silverlight has nothing to do with it[03:08:24] <AcerAspire> yes it is a mms: stream in .Wmv. But I could not find any wmv in View source on the page.[03:09:14] * jrabbit can't replicate[03:09:25] <tiffany> ._.[03:09:33] <saivert> that is the URL I pick up from the media player control[03:09:40] <saivert> which is a playlist[03:09:52] <augiedoggie> search for the second occurrence of application/x-mplayer2 and follow the link[03:09:56] <augiedoggie> in the main page[03:11:07] <jrabbit> http://i.min.us/ilR7Nk.png[03:12:31] <AcerAspire> is vlc not in installoptionalpackage?[03:13:13] <TN-048> No you need to download it from haikuware[03:13:32] <Duggan> after a rather lengthy discussion with marcheu from #dri-devel it would appear that porting gallium is not a prefferable method of implementing 3d hw acce on Haiku[03:13:43] <Duggan> accel^[03:13:49] <cb88> why is that?[03:14:23] <Duggan> fundamental difference in operation, underlying difficulties in porting and implementing DRM, etc[03:14:32] <jrabbit> augiedoggie: odd that I couldn't replciate what you're getting at[03:14:57] <cb88> ic... so what is the preferable method?[03:15:28] <AcerAspire> VLC for Haiku (which I just installed) does not seem to have a Open network stream- feature.[03:15:38] <Duggan> sounds to me like native drivers... you could probably steal code wherever you can get it, but no method would be easy at this point[03:15:50] <cb88> there is an updated version that requires the qt libs I wonder if it does?[03:15:56] <TN-048> You need to do it from the command line[03:16:01] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[03:17:50] <TN-048> Open a terminal and run the vlc binary (/boot/apps/vlc-0.8.6i/VLC\ Media\ Player) (for me) and then the stream URL[03:18:07] <AcerAspire> awesome. I am now watching a NRK news broadcast in VLC in Haiku. I loaded it from command line.[03:18:17] <cb88> so basically they said don't do it cause its hard X.x .. I mean serisouly.[03:18:56] <TN-048> Cool :P[03:19:11] <saivert> well Haiku is already using FreeBSD code for networking why not just take the DRI stuff as well?[03:19:34] <cb88> cause freebsd isn't going to have dri that stays up to date[03:19:37] <saivert> It was not like using FreeBSD networking stack was walk in the park either[03:19:52] <saivert> you have to think about the pay off[03:20:13] <saivert> will you really want to reinvent the wheel when it comes to complex stuff like graphics ?[03:21:05] <cb88> indeed... though I don't think taking the dri from freebsd would be wise as they track the linux dri from what I understand[03:21:14] <cb88> so may as well port the linux dri[03:21:22] <Duggan> if we get better performance than a convoluted linux gfx stack, I'd say it's worth it :P[03:21:54] <saivert> well DRI is part of the process of getting a better graphics subsystem for GNU/Linux[03:21:58] <Duggan> ... if we actually had the interest to actually put forth some effort on it anyway[03:22:01] <saivert> they are moving away from X11 as well[03:22:09] <cb88> well gallium is "native" if you port it... as native as it is on linux at least[03:22:31] <Duggan> well I've been looking at this stuff for a couple weeks now[03:22:33] <cb88> the classic drivers would nice to have too though.... for older cards[03:22:36] <cb88> ah[03:22:44] <saivert> Replacing X11 with Wayland[03:23:06] <saivert> times they are a-changing..[03:23:29] *** MAX2 has quit IRC[03:24:14] <Duggan> if there were a means to better understand how all those systems work maybe I'd have a chance, but without help I'm not going to make much progress[03:25:12] <Duggan> I'd just assume design a whole new native stack :/[03:26:39] *** MAX2 has joined #haiku[03:26:41] <cb88> how much of a pain would that be.... and adding features from mesa would that even be possible as far as supporting GL 3.x ... etc[03:27:13] <Duggan> tedious, not so much hard I believe[03:27:58] <OmniMancer> cb88: that depends whether you want to not implement the deprecated stuff[03:28:16] <Duggan> either way I believe it would be more tedious than difficult[03:28:22] <tiffany> I have opengl 4.1 on my graphics card :s[03:28:38] <cb88> not on haiku :P[03:28:52] <tiffany> I can't install haiku because bleh partitions[03:29:01] <tiffany> I'm going to have to find an HDD to use or something :/[03:29:31] *** TN-048 has quit IRC[03:30:02] <mmadia> ... in case no one suggested it, what about a USB stick?[03:30:10] <mmadia> the performance is surprising.[03:30:34] <OmniMancer> tiffany: WRONG you don't have opengl 4.1 on your graphics card :P[03:31:15] <tiffany> in my nvidia driver settings stuff it says OpenGL version is 4.1.0 NVIDIA 275.09.07[03:31:50] <saivert> yes. the driver supports that level of OpenGL[03:32:08] <OmniMancer> the graphics card doesn't care :P[03:32:21] <saivert> the driver translates the OpenGL calls into whatever code the GPU expects[03:32:26] <OmniMancer> its a large stream processor with a waveform generator attached :P[03:32:36] <saivert> haha[03:32:39] <cb88> same thing with my old geforce2... driver said 2.0 but it really only supported 1.4 in hardware[03:33:00] *** MAX2 has quit IRC[03:33:12] *** jrabbit has quit IRC[03:33:12] <OmniMancer> cb88: ouch :/[03:33:29] <OmniMancer> atleast more modern cards a slightly more generic[03:33:29] *** jrabbit has joined #haiku[03:33:37] <cb88> acutally it is fairly decent... runs alot of things decently still[03:34:26] <tiffany> newegg says that my GPU supports 4.0[03:34:27] <tiffany> :I[03:34:38] <tiffany> I got it really recently, it's a gt430[03:34:52] <OmniMancer> tiffany: it does[03:35:06] <OmniMancer> but the graphics card doesn't know what openGL is[03:35:14] <OmniMancer> the driver implements openGL[03:35:27] <OmniMancer> and the graphics card is there to do a lot of arithmetic very fast[03:35:32] <AcerAspire> have to go now. Have a nice day :-)[03:35:44] <tiffany> and all this time people are saying that opengl provides hardware acceleration and stuff[03:35:46] <cb88> its basically a pile of alus with a unified memory :P[03:35:58] <tiffany> I'm going to make my own renderer with openCL or something :I[03:36:01] *** AcerAspire has quit IRC[03:36:01] <OmniMancer> tiffany: it does[03:36:07] <cb88> it provides access to it via an API... yes[03:36:19] <OmniMancer> the driver implements openGL[03:36:22] <cb88> mesa is getting openCL support :D[03:36:32] <OmniMancer> and offloads all the computational work to the GPU[03:36:38] <OmniMancer> cb88: yes through gallium[03:36:43] <cb88> its stupid symantics anyway...[03:37:02] <tiffany> I meant hardware acceleration as in actual parts dedicated to doing a certain thing, not as in using the GPU versus CPU..[03:37:22] <OmniMancer> cb88: semantics ![03:37:37] <OmniMancer> tiffany: it was once like that[03:37:40] <cb88> GPUs are not dedicated to do a certain thing nearly as much as they used to be :/[03:37:41] <OmniMancer> that way is horrible[03:37:52] <OmniMancer> inflexible and generally undesirable[03:37:57] <cb88> if you wanna do openCL go with AMD...[03:38:06] <cb88> otherwise you should be doing CUDA[03:38:16] <OmniMancer> :P[03:38:31] <OmniMancer> ironically nvidia is also involved in the openCL stuff :P[03:38:51] <OmniMancer> the point is that the slow part of graphics is vector math[03:38:51] <cb88> yes however.... X.x Nvidia cards have fewer ALUs[03:38:59] <tiffany> mm[03:39:09] <OmniMancer> the graphics card is there to do a lot of math all at once[03:39:17] <OmniMancer> this allows speeding up the rendering[03:39:19] <cb88> no the slow part is memory access...nearly all cards are memory bandwidth limited[03:39:29] <tiffany> I would have gotten an ATI card with 300 stream processors at 750MHz but instead I was convinced into getting an NVIDIA with 96 at 700MHz[03:39:36] <OmniMancer> cb88: yes now[03:39:54] <cb88> well at least your drivers will be stable :D ... AMD drivers are aweful[03:40:10] <OmniMancer> but the time spent doing vector calculcations is the largest part of the rendering[03:40:47] <OmniMancer> also I would be wary deciding what those numbers mean[03:40:49] <tiffany> I wrote a polygon based renderer in lua once[03:41:02] <OmniMancer> they are different between different manufacturers and architectures[03:42:39] <cb88> indeed... it depends on teh application... if you are doing pure math stuff AMD is faster... nvidia may be faster on physics and graphics though[03:42:47] *** mmadia has quit IRC[03:42:58] <tiffany> I dislike physx[03:43:00] <tiffany> :|[03:43:03] <OmniMancer> so just because you have a number saying the nvidia one has 96 "things" and the AMD one has 300 "different things"[03:43:11] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[03:43:26] <cb88> indeed it doesn't mean much cause they don't really tell you what exactly they are or how they work[03:43:34] <OmniMancer> since you don't have technical design specs on what a "thing" and a "other thing" are[03:43:41] <OmniMancer> you can't tell how they work or compare[03:43:50] <OmniMancer> exactly[03:43:50] *** Skipp_OSX has joined #haiku[03:43:52] <BINKYSMC> cb88, my amd drivers have been terrifically stable. never a problem[03:43:53] <tiffany> well AMD labels them as stream processors[03:43:53] <Skipp_OSX> join #haiku-dev[03:44:00] <tiffany> and NVIDIA labels them as core processors[03:44:11] <Skipp_OSX> woops[03:44:12] <OmniMancer> tiffany: you say that as if they are the same thing[03:44:17] <OmniMancer> but you cannot know that they are[03:44:26] <tiffany> well I know what a stream processor is[03:44:38] <cb88> BINKYSMC : what card?[03:44:43] <OmniMancer> but do you know what they mean when they say stream processor?[03:44:57] <tiffany> I'm hoping they mean stream processor >_>[03:45:03] <OmniMancer> I find that nvidia beta drivers seem really stable[03:45:06] <cb88> stream processors have different designs just like CPUS.... some[03:45:13] <BINKYSMC> several, hd3xxx hd4xxx hd5xxx hd6xxx never a problem. Never had a problem with nvidia drivers either.[03:45:24] <OmniMancer> and the ones that I am "supposed" to install because they are "stable" are unstable as hell[03:45:29] <tiffany> there was a bug with 32bit linux drivers that crashed xorg every 42.7 days or something[03:45:36] <tiffany> but they have since fixed it :s[03:45:46] <cb88> nvidia cards don't handle double presicion as fast as amd cards...[03:46:01] <BINKYSMC> thats on the evil windows os however. I have never been able to get binary drivers to work properly with linux.[03:46:08] *** Hery has quit IRC[03:46:12] <cb88> BINKYSMC : I've only got a mobility its a bit oddball so thats probably why ... mostly OEM issues that I have heard of[03:46:17] <OmniMancer> that is likely because AMD put more work into designing its double prec FPUs :P[03:46:24] <tiffany> I couldn't get NVIDIA drivers to work on fedora[03:46:36] <tiffany> other than that they've always worked from the repos[03:46:43] <OmniMancer> I am on the windows too[03:46:54] <cb88> thats because they ripped out the parts of the kernel the drivers need... form what I remember[03:47:24] <cb88> on fedora that is...[03:47:33] <OmniMancer> stupid linux :P[03:47:45] <cb88> indeed[03:47:56] <tiffany> I found fedora 12 to really suck at sound, other than the repos having nothing it was fine[03:48:08] <cb88> X.x pulseaudio crap I suppose[03:48:47] <tiffany> I could play 5 seconds of audio before pulseaudio crashed[03:49:08] <tiffany> gstreamer managed to corrupt my root partition somehow after installing it[03:49:09] <cb88> its like "its only a flesh wound" and put a pulseadio bandaid on it[03:49:23] <BINKYSMC> pulseaudio?? uugghh. I tried to record something with whatever that linux daw is, Just aweful performance.[03:49:41] <tiffany> Everyone says linux has terribad audio but I've never had a single issue with alsa :I[03:49:41] <cb88> well you would be wanting jack for that...[03:49:52] <cb88> alsa is great when it works...[03:50:08] <cb88> however it doesn't always " just work"[03:50:36] <BINKYSMC> jack, crash the audio subsystem every try[03:50:53] <cb88> well gotta go.. gonna try to pxe boot my laptop as haiku hosed my ext partition :D ahem living dangerously I was got bitten for it[03:51:13] <cb88> no cd.. can't boot from usb X.x so PXE it is[04:01:51] *** cb88 has quit IRC[04:08:24] *** mmadia has left #haiku[04:10:29] <Duggan> would anybody be interested in helping rework the gfx stack and work on hw accel drivers?[04:10:31] <BINKYSMC> how does one boot from pxe ?[04:13:45] <OmniMancer> with magic :P[04:15:41] <BINKYSMC> I found the article. need to setup some infastructure to do so though[04:19:36] <OmniMancer> yea[04:19:38] <OmniMancer> magic[04:20:33] <BINKYSMC> I geuss theres a good sized hit/miss rate with functionality ?[04:47:20] *** redblue has quit IRC[04:51:34] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[04:51:55] *** oxoocoffee has joined #haiku[04:58:49] *** bbjimmy has joined #haiku[05:02:50] *** MAX2 has joined #haiku[05:04:12] <Duggan> I'll take that as a resounding "no"[05:07:12] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[05:19:27] *** oxoocoffee has quit IRC[05:19:42] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC[05:25:24] *** XenoDuck has quit IRC[05:25:40] *** oxoocoffee has joined #haiku[05:58:00] <CIA-73> Haiku: kallisti5 * r42564 /haiku/trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs) http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/42564 :[05:58:00] <CIA-73> * use create_area correctly[05:58:00] <CIA-73> * AtomBIOS is now loaded and passed into the radeon_hd accelerant[05:58:00] <CIA-73> * correct pointer passing in bios_init[05:58:00] <CIA-73> * AtomBIOS is now read and initialized by AtomBIOS parser[05:58:01] <CIA-73> * feel free to start testing the driver again :-)[05:58:30] *** oxoocoffee has quit IRC[05:59:51] <CIA-73> Haiku: kallisti5 * r42565 /haiku/trunk/build/jam/HaikuImage http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/42565 : * undo accidental change[06:03:43] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[06:07:02] *** kPb_in has joined #haiku[06:10:52] <Duggan> hey Skipp_OSX[06:11:31] <Skipp_OSX> hey Duggan[06:12:12] <scgtrp> hey CIA-73[06:12:12] *** mrsunshine has quit IRC[06:12:44] <Duggan> hey echelog[06:13:02] *** mrsunshine has joined #haiku[06:13:10] <BINKYSMC> are you guys going to toilet paper the tree now ?[06:13:47] <Duggan> as soon as I find the tree...[06:14:35] <BINKYSMC> http://karenswhimsy.com/public-domain-images/tree-clipart/tree-clipart-4.jpg[06:18:28] <Duggan> I was thinking http://dev.haiku-os.org/browser/haiku/trunk but that works too...[06:21:39] *** oxoocoffee has joined #haiku[06:24:21] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[06:30:11] *** Nozy has quit IRC[06:32:10] *** oxoocoffee has quit IRC[07:00:43] <CIA-73> Haiku: kallisti5 * r42566 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/graphics/radeon_hd/radeon_hd.cpp http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/42566 :[07:00:43] <CIA-73> * clean up style[07:00:43] <CIA-73> * remove some un-needed log messages[07:00:43] <CIA-73> * memset area from create_area just incase[07:00:43] <CIA-73> * add enabled bios read in addition to disabled one[07:06:32] <BINKYSMC> haiku does not support webm/vp8 yet ?[07:23:53] *** kPb_in has joined #haiku[07:24:53] *** jjido has joined #haiku[07:27:43] *** jjido has quit IRC[07:27:55] *** jjido has joined #haiku[07:32:02] *** redblue has joined #haiku[07:32:30] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[07:34:57] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[07:35:59] <CIA-73> Haiku: czeidler * r42567 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/app/stackandtile/StackAndTile.cpp http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/42567 : Don't remove the window if there is only one window in the group. Fixes #7884.[07:56:25] <CIA-73> Haiku: czeidler * r42568 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/app/Window.cpp http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/42568 : Only redraw visible region.[07:57:52] *** octopus has joined #haiku[07:58:14] *** octopus has quit IRC[07:59:03] *** ericxjo has joined #haiku[08:00:56] <CIA-73> Haiku: czeidler * r42569 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/app/Window.cpp http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/42569 : Ok, ok if we redrawn the complete visible region anyway we don't have to calculate any dirt.[08:05:21] *** jjido has quit IRC[08:07:14] *** BINKYSMC has left #haiku[08:18:27] *** Pinaraf has joined #haiku[08:28:46] *** Skipp_OSX has quit IRC[08:29:07] *** LiquidInsect has joined #haiku[08:29:34] *** witukind has joined #haiku[08:31:28] *** jalopeura has joined #haiku[08:40:35] *** Pinaraf has quit IRC[08:40:38] *** Pinaraf_ has joined #haiku[08:44:59] *** tqh has joined #haiku[08:45:18] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[09:05:02] *** adominguez has joined #haiku[09:12:41] *** Sikosis 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MatthewH12 has quit IRC[11:18:44] *** kPb_in has joined #haiku[11:19:52] <Teknomancer> Morning[11:25:30] *** lollo64it has quit IRC[11:37:26] *** lollo64it has joined #haiku[11:40:32] *** Stellar has joined #haiku[11:52:26] *** f1assistance has left #haiku[11:54:47] <CIA-73> Haiku: tqh * r42570 /haiku/vendor/acpica/current/ (326 files in 35 dirs) http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/42570 : Load acpica-unix-20110623 into current.[11:55:03] <CIA-73> Haiku: tqh * r42571 /haiku/vendor/acpica/20110623/ http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/42571 : Tag current as 20110623[12:02:49] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[12:22:36] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[12:38:32] *** Nozy has joined #haiku[12:38:37] *** Barrett has quit IRC[12:38:39] *** witukind has quit IRC[12:39:02] *** witukind has joined #haiku[12:55:28] *** GeekShadow has joined #haiku[12:58:02] *** negusnyul has quit IRC[13:01:43] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[13:25:55] *** peerkoel has quit IRC[13:30:57] *** peerkoel has joined #haiku[13:53:23] 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r42572 /haiku/trunk/build/jam/UserBuildConfig.sample http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/42572 : * these examples should really be commented out[17:04:08] *** negusnyul has quit IRC[17:07:19] *** luroh has joined #haiku[17:11:47] *** kPb_in has joined #haiku[17:13:35] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[17:15:08] *** tqh has joined #haiku[17:15:17] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[17:15:22] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[17:28:43] *** oxoocoffee has joined #haiku[17:29:46] *** tqh2 has joined #haiku[17:31:56] <CIA-73> Haiku: kallisti5 * r42573 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/graphics/radeon_hd/radeon_hd.cpp http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/42573 :[17:31:56] <CIA-73> * move create_area for kernel AtomBIOS into radeon_hd_getbios[17:31:56] <CIA-73> * only create_area if we found a valid AtomBIOS[17:31:56] <CIA-73> * lock down write access to kernel AtomBIOS area after populating[17:31:56] <CIA-73> * remove locking on kernel AtomBIOS area as it's not needed[17:32:01] *** aksr_ has quit 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<Teknomancer> i have my doubts[18:25:56] *** humdinger has quit IRC[18:26:53] <DaaT> lemme check[18:27:18] <DaaT> yes, my real name is Alexey[18:27:19] <DaaT> :P[18:27:22] <Teknomancer> lol[18:27:32] <Teknomancer> could be identity theft[18:27:39] <Teknomancer> DaaT the hacker[18:27:53] <DaaT> mwhahaha![18:29:50] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[18:36:50] *** DDevine has quit IRC[18:38:57] *** lukove has joined #haiku[18:41:28] *** iMe has quit IRC[18:55:37] *** phalax has quit IRC[18:58:29] *** tqh has quit IRC[18:58:47] *** tqh2 has quit IRC[18:59:07] *** _arjen_ has joined #haiku[19:01:44] *** tqh has joined #haiku[19:12:08] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[19:12:26] *** tqh2 has joined #haiku[19:12:59] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[19:38:43] *** duvjones has quit IRC[19:52:52] <CIA-73> Haiku: korli * r42574 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/interface/Window.cpp http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/42574 : Patch from X512 (ticket #7408): Don't notify input server of focus change if window is not 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