August 2, 2011 
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August 2, 2011 [00:01:15] <evildaemon> I don't mean to seem rude, but if you knew the answer to my original question, you never mentioned it.[00:02:15] <mmadia> no one has ported VirtualBox to Haiku yet.[00:02:23] <scgtrp> evildaemon: it requires a bit of porting[00:02:25] <evildaemon> I'm aware, whats missing?[00:02:32] *** brrant has quit IRC[00:02:34] <scgtrp> mostly, the kernel-side virtualization thingy[00:02:42] <evildaemon> Ah.[00:02:56] <scgtrp> (i assume you mean using haiku as a host)[00:03:01] <evildaemon> Of course.[00:04:58] *** Dane__ has quit IRC[00:12:29] *** vooshy has quit IRC[00:17:14] <evildaemon> http://haiku-os.org/community/getting-involved "Sending an e-mail to the Haiku mailing list, or posting a message in the forums are two good ways to let the community know you have someone to donate." typo[00:17:22] <evildaemon> (SOMEONE)[00:19:35] * jrabbit donates evildaemon[00:20:23] <evildaemon> But I don't know C++ yet!![00:20:48] <DraX> c++ is easy, juust put a drill to your temple, and press the trigger[00:21:34] <evildaemon> I hear as much.[00:21:35] *** Ingenu has left #haiku[00:22:27] <jrabbit> haha[00:24:23] *** LordLobo has quit IRC[00:26:04] <evildaemon> "Slave donations are always accepted in the Haiku project."[00:26:26] <jrabbit> sounds legal in the US :P[00:27:39] <evildaemon> 100%[00:28:05] * Cr0wb4r revs up its drill.[00:28:18] <smop> needs a built in bitcoin client[00:28:25] <evildaemon> What?[00:30:16] <jrabbit> For an politicos, the debt ceiling vote is soon the House is calling a quorum[00:31:14] <evildaemon> It's not exactly an entertaining scenario.[00:31:48] <CIA-73> HaikuPorts: scottmc * r1752 /haikuports/trunk/media-libs/libsdl/patches/libsdl-1.2-hg.patch http://ports.haiku-files.org/changeset/1752 : Removed an unneeded patch from the SDL-1.2-hg patch which only added a blank line to one of the files. No functional changes made.[00:32:05] <Duggan> thanks jrabbit, I appreciate it[00:32:29] <jrabbit> they're going to have two 15 minute votes[00:32:36] <jrabbit> quorum call then previous question[00:33:16] * Duggan fires up the CSPAN[00:33:24] <jrabbit> lol senate thinks they can run it into the rest of august 2[00:34:20] <evildaemon> More stalling?[00:34:34] <Duggan> sounds like it[00:34:34] *** negusnyul has quit IRC[00:34:54] *** negusnyul has joined #haiku[00:38:56] *** Skipp_OSX has joined #haiku[00:41:07] *** SiCuTDeUx has joined #haiku[00:43:30] <CIA-73> Haiku: kallisti5 * r42534 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/accelerants/radeon_hd/ (13 files in 3 dirs) http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/42534 :[00:43:30] <CIA-73> * Remove old legacy internal AtomBIOS parser[00:43:30] <CIA-73> * Import "new" AMD AtomBios Parser (aka AMD KGrids)[00:43:30] <CIA-73> * Add a new global storage struct for BIOS info[00:43:30] <CIA-73> (ex. location, size, etc)[00:47:06] *** DaaT has quit IRC[00:51:47] *** luroh has quit IRC[00:53:29] <jrabbit> final vote now[00:54:27] <Skipp_OSX> jrabbit: final vote for what?[00:54:43] <augiedoggie> whether emacs should be the default editor[00:54:45] <jrabbit> US debt ceiling raise in the house[00:55:09] <Skipp_OSX> jrabbit: ahh, I thought it was for something important haha[00:55:16] <jrabbit> Skipp_OSX: it is sort of[00:55:41] <jrabbit> Skipp_OSX: the go into recess after this (sp) and the treasury runs out of funds after August second[00:58:43] <CIA-73> Haiku: kallisti5 * r42535 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/accelerants/radeon_hd/ (atombios/atom.h bios.h) http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/42535 : * Add card_info struct used by AtomBIOS parser[00:58:56] *** oxoocoffee has joined #haiku[01:00:45] *** negusnyul has quit IRC[01:02:43] *** NeonLicht has quit IRC[01:03:01] *** aksr has quit IRC[01:03:30] *** NeonLicht has joined #haiku[01:10:45] <evildaemon> Is there an english translation of "The art of beOS programming"?[01:16:32] <augiedoggie> I would imagine most of it is covered by "Programming the Be Operating System" book[01:16:48] <mmadia> https://www.haiku-os.org/community/forum/art_of_beos_programming_translation[01:17:11] <evildaemon> Thanks.[01:17:14] <augiedoggie> yeah, the translation leaves a lot to be desired[01:24:59] *** MatthewH12` has joined #haiku[01:25:17] <Duggan> Chapter 6, there is no button to start tea...[01:25:37] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[01:25:59] <augiedoggie> nice, another game added to the humble bundle[01:28:22] *** oxoocoffee has quit IRC[01:28:24] <OmniMancer> hmm?[01:28:30] *** MatthewH12 has quit IRC[01:29:40] <OmniMancer> oooh[01:31:12] <augiedoggie> it'll probably make me want to upgrade my graphics card :/[01:33:42] <OmniMancer> :P[01:34:59] *** SiCuTDeUx has quit IRC[01:38:35] *** Pinaraf has quit IRC[01:44:36] <helf> this is the weirdest issue[01:44:45] <helf> im running firefox 6 and flash videos are slideshows[01:44:54] <helf> unless i move my mouse cursor around over them, then they play fine[01:44:55] <helf> wtf[01:49:30] <evildaemon> Thats odd.[01:49:50] <evildaemon> What OS?[01:55:07] <CIA-73> HaikuPorts: scottmc * r1753 /haikuports/trunk/media-libs/libsdl/libsdl-1.3-gsoc.bep http://ports.haiku-files.org/changeset/1753 : Added TEST section to libsdl-1.3-gsoc.bep to automate building of the tests.[01:56:30] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[02:06:39] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[02:11:39] *** GeekShadow has quit IRC[02:14:52] *** ddavid123 has joined #haiku[02:16:07] <ddavid123> Hello everyone! How are you?[02:16:51] *** ddavid123 has quit IRC[02:17:20] *** jmelesky has quit IRC[02:24:32] *** Nozy has joined #haiku[02:29:17] *** Skipp_OSX has quit IRC[02:36:18] *** Ziusudra has joined #haiku[02:36:19] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[02:36:32] *** JonathanThompson has joined #haiku[02:37:55] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[02:38:02] *** JonathanThompson has joined #haiku[02:39:23] <Duggan> hey guys[02:39:50] <Ziusudra> hi Duggan[02:40:09] <Duggan> hows it going? been a while...[02:41:14] <Ziusudra> not bad and you?[02:42:05] <Duggan> same[02:42:20] <Duggan> working on graphics stuff[02:58:42] *** thies has quit IRC[03:00:22] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[03:09:37] <CIA-73> Haiku: kallisti5 * r42536 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/accelerants/radeon_hd/mode.cpp http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/42536 : * Program DATA_FORMAT to non-interlaced[03:10:48] *** Nozy has left #haiku[03:12:11] *** Skipp_OSX has joined #haiku[03:14:53] *** diver_ has left #haiku[03:22:27] <Duggan> wb Skipp_OSX[03:23:13] <Skipp_OSX> hi Duggan[03:23:19] *** diver_ has joined #haiku[03:24:39] <Skipp_OSX> Duggan: I was just going to work on my Deskbar patch some more. I still haven't gotten it to size correctly in the case of a crash but I did improve some other stuff,[03:25:21] <Skipp_OSX> Duggan: For instance I got it to expand Tracker on startup without adding any additional code just by rearranging things a little bit.[03:26:05] <Skipp_OSX> Also nice because I don't have to check if Tracker is running or not nor do I have to make a special case. Any app that loads on startup will automatically get expanded.[03:30:47] *** ericxjo has joined #haiku[03:35:33] *** Ziusudra has quit IRC[03:47:14] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[03:50:05] <Duggan> Skipp_OSX ah nice, sorry it took so long, had to run to the store hehe[03:50:52] <Skipp_OSX> I am a little torn on one change though. I had a crash related to a NULL BarView(). But now I am 99% sure that BarView() will never be NULL. Should I remove the NULL check?[03:51:17] <Duggan> obviously it can be NULL at some point[03:51:37] <Duggan> so keep the check and figure out what causes that to happen[03:51:48] <Skipp_OSX> Duggan: well, I don't know, as long as it is after the constructor and something crazy doesn't happen, it can't be NULL[03:52:10] <Duggan> something crazy may be happening :)[03:52:29] <Skipp_OSX> Duggan: well, I fixed the crash, so it would have to be really crazy.[03:52:29] <Duggan> or it may be happening in the constructor...[03:52:50] <Skipp_OSX> Duggan: I guess paranoia is good though[03:52:53] <Duggan> hehe well it's still a possibility[03:53:11] *** ericxjo has quit IRC[03:53:19] <Duggan> if the NULL check found a NULL, then it was NULL.... you just need to find out under what circumstances that happens[03:53:43] <Skipp_OSX> Duggan: well, it was happening because I was calling it before it was constructed[03:53:50] <Duggan> that can do it[03:54:56] <Skipp_OSX> Duggan: really, it wasn't my fault, it was the fault of the jerk who didn't construct BarView early enough :)[03:55:24] <Skipp_OSX> No, I am joking, I understand what they were thinking.[03:55:29] <Duggan> hehe[03:55:37] * Duggan swears it wasn't him...[03:55:55] <Skipp_OSX> ... so now on to this resizing bug...[03:56:35] <Duggan> if you need anything, let me know[04:10:24] *** Skipp_OSX has left #haiku[04:10:29] *** Skipp_OSX has joined #haiku[04:11:31] <Duggan> wb[04:14:33] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[04:14:41] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[04:28:55] *** ddavid123 has joined #haiku[04:33:25] <ddavid123> I am still having issues with data in the Desktop directory surviving after partition initialization during install in latest nightly builds[04:34:51] <ddavid123> the data, a folder shows to be created the same day and hour of install, but the folder was created days before![04:35:25] <ddavid123> brb[04:37:51] <Skipp_OSX> ddavid123: Are you sure that the install is not recreating those files?[04:38:09] <ddavid123> How would that happen[04:38:23] <Duggan> ddavid123 some files are placed on the desktop during install[04:38:33] <ddavid123> I am re-initializing the partition[04:38:45] <Duggan> are you installing Haiku on it before accessing it?[04:38:56] <ddavid123> the data was on the desktop durring install[04:39:22] <Duggan> the date on the files is likely the date it was placed in the image used... also, try accessing the partition after initialization but before installation[04:39:43] <ddavid123> I will try that.[04:40:23] <ddavid123> I do mount the partition to copy the data from the partiton to the Live cd and then re-install.[04:40:42] <ddavid123> but when I go to copy the files back, they are still thee[04:40:45] <ddavid123> there[04:41:44] <ddavid123> do you think that is the problem[04:42:39] <Duggan> well, if you're copying them *to* a live cd, I don't know...[04:43:09] <Duggan> I would suggest copying somewhere that can be written to, my luck I'd lose everything doing something like that[04:43:31] <ddavid123> The data is not all that important, C++ in 21 days, stuff like that[04:44:33] <ddavid123> I do have an external usb hard drive I could use for backup and see if that solves the problem[04:44:48] <Duggan> well, copy them, reinitialize the drive (make sure you commit it) then mount it and open it up and see what's there[04:45:02] <ddavid123> I will[04:45:15] <ddavid123> May take a half hour[04:45:29] <ddavid123> Cya in a while![04:45:35] <Duggan> alright l8r... good lucki[04:45:42] <Duggan> luck[04:46:15] *** ddavid123 has quit IRC[05:00:35] *** Shisui has joined #haiku[05:05:37] *** mmadia has quit IRC[05:07:32] *** DDevine has joined #haiku[05:20:28] *** ddavid123 has joined #haiku[05:21:21] <ddavid123> This time I did not mount the partition before re-initialization and the folder was gone![05:22:06] <ddavid123> I don't know why that makes a difference but it does![05:22:34] <Duggan> yeah you can't initialize a partition if it's mounted[05:23:06] <ddavid123> My mistake![05:23:15] <Duggan> if you've ever used Drive Setup you'd know :)[05:23:17] <Duggan> hehe no prob[05:23:32] <ddavid123> I have used it many times[05:24:04] <ddavid123> I thought it would unmount it before re-initializing it[05:24:21] <ddavid123> everything seemed to go ok.[05:24:30] <ddavid123> no warnings or errors[05:24:59] <ddavid123> ddavid hangs his head in shame and dishonour![05:25:17] <Skipp_OSX> well you are doing better than[05:25:20] <Skipp_OSX> I am[05:26:20] <ddavid123> In what way Skipp_OSX[05:26:24] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[05:26:25] *** HaikuUser is now known as Binkysmc[05:27:00] * Binkysmc is fustrated with intalloptionalpackage[05:27:14] <ddavid123> Are you having trouble with the install?[05:27:30] <Binkysmc> having trouble with using it to instal anything[05:27:34] <Binkysmc> aarrgghh[05:28:24] <ddavid123> what do you want to install?[05:29:17] <Binkysmc> sdllibs, and its dropping into debugger and fialing to install[05:29:44] <ddavid123> what version of Haiku are you using?[05:30:02] <Binkysmc> 42507[05:30:06] <Binkysmc> gcc2 h[05:30:18] <ddavid123> Is that the latest nightly?[05:30:57] <Binkysmc> i dunno, goes back a few days IIRC[05:31:22] <ddavid123> And "installoptionalpackage -a sdllibs" gives you debugger[05:31:43] <Binkysmc> yep[05:31:50] <Binkysmc> put me into a white screen gdb twice[05:32:06] <Binkysmc> also notiicing some pretty big kernel instability[05:32:33] <ddavid123> I will try it on my install (latest nightly) and see if it is a problem with sdl or Haiku or the installer.[05:32:43] <ddavid123> brb[05:32:46] <Binkysmc> somethings broke[05:39:26] <ddavid123> Everything has installed with no Debug screen.[05:40:02] <Binkysmc> must be a buggy nightly, guess I'll have to do a drive cleaning and reinstall again[05:40:10] <ddavid123> so either it was a problem with one of the packages and got fixed, or it is a problem with your nightly build[05:40:14] <ddavid123> build[05:40:20] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[05:40:39] <Binkysmc> hell, it could be all of the above for all I know[05:40:46] <ddavid123> lol[05:41:01] <ddavid123> remember, this is Alpha ware[05:41:16] <Binkysmc> I know, I think somethings fubared in the fielsystem honestly[05:41:40] <ddavid123> like the bumper sticker says "crap happens"[05:41:59] <Duggan> hey Binkysmc[05:42:25] <Binkysmc> hi duggan ![05:42:31] <ddavid123> gots to go, see u later![05:42:38] <Duggan> l8r ddavid123[05:42:40] <Binkysmc> ddavid, can i download the packages individually from somewhere[05:42:53] *** smop has quit IRC[05:43:16] <ddavid123> I don't know, I am the newbie too[05:43:17] <Duggan> "crap happens"?.... you mean "shit happens" right?[05:43:46] <Binkysmc> shit always happens, and systemically it happens to me alot for no explicable reason to[05:44:03] <ddavid123> Duggan I was trying to convey that phrase without getting kicked or banned or something[05:44:36] *** smop has joined #haiku[05:44:46] <Binkysmc> haiku channel doesn't have a G rating I am aware of[05:44:56] <Binkysmc> more like pg-13/r lol[05:45:01] <Duggan> yeah it usually doesn't[05:45:21] <ddavid123> Always remember the three most important words, Crap always happens and expect the unexpected![05:46:04] *** DDevine has quit IRC[05:46:05] <ddavid123> the two three leter sentances both have the same definition![05:46:23] <Duggan> hehe[05:47:01] <ddavid123> Cya later![05:47:05] *** ddavid123 has quit IRC[05:49:36] *** DDevine has joined #haiku[05:55:25] *** nsuperbus has joined #haiku[05:59:07] *** Devine has joined #haiku[06:00:48] *** DDevine has quit IRC[06:04:17] *** Binkysmc has quit IRC[06:10:24] *** Devine has quit IRC[06:17:07] *** Nozy has joined #haiku[06:17:51] *** Nozy has left #haiku[06:22:21] *** Stellar has quit IRC[06:40:57] *** Shisui has quit IRC[06:41:45] *** Stellar has joined #haiku[07:02:51] <CIA-73> Haiku: czeidler * r42537 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/app/Window.cpp http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/42537 : Check size limit of all stacked windows when resizing. Fixes #7893 thanks to diver (again).[07:04:44] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[07:09:27] *** kPb_in has joined #haiku[07:09:47] *** kPb_in_ has joined #haiku[07:14:33] *** kPb_in has quit IRC[07:14:33] *** kPb_in_ is now known as kPb_in[07:18:47] *** The_Ringmaster has joined #haiku[07:19:55] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[07:19:55] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[07:24:28] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[07:27:37] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[07:32:01] *** Stellar has quit IRC[07:41:26] *** Stellar has joined #haiku[07:41:27] *** Stellar|2 has joined #haiku[07:45:48] *** umccullough has joined #haiku[07:46:28] <umccullough> geist, played vvvvvv yet?[07:48:31] <umccullough> highly recommended: http://www.humblebundle.com/[07:52:46] <Duggan> hey umccullough[07:53:01] * umccullough goes to find more beer[07:54:40] *** redblue has quit IRC[07:55:09] <umccullough> anyway, i emailed the VVVVVV author to see if he's interested in porting it to haiku[07:55:30] <umccullough> no response yet :P[07:55:47] <Duggan> hehe I guess I hope he does[07:55:53] <umccullough> have you played it?[07:55:59] <Duggan> haven't even seen it yet but by the way you talk I'd try it out[07:56:11] <Duggan> no, haven't booted into windows recently[07:56:15] <umccullough> you can pirate it via torrent[07:56:26] <umccullough> or buy it via humble bundle for $0.01[07:56:35] <umccullough> i recommend throwing a few $ at it[07:56:46] <umccullough> it's addictive and challenging while being dead simple[07:56:51] <Duggan> hehe[07:56:54] <umccullough> and the 8 bit music is awesome[07:57:09] <umccullough> it doesn't disappoint[07:57:29] <umccullough> also runs on linux and os x if that's your thing[07:58:00] <Duggan> what a deal! pay $0.01 and play minecraft for FREE for 14 days! ................... :|[07:58:06] <umccullough> that too[07:58:13] <Duggan> hehe[07:58:20] <umccullough> i paid $10 before the two bonuses were added[07:58:28] <Duggan> I don't do linux or osx... it's either haiku or windows.... and right now it's entirely haiku[07:58:30] <umccullough> i already paid for minecraft anyway[07:58:54] <umccullough> i've bought all the humble bundles so far for $10 each[07:59:03] <umccullough> usually at least one game that is worth it ;)[07:59:13] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[07:59:17] <umccullough> mostly i play them on windows[07:59:22] <umccullough> but also on linux[07:59:30] <umccullough> i ported gish to haiku when it was opened[07:59:36] <umccullough> runs like shit without accelerated 3d[08:00:02] *** redblue has joined #haiku[08:00:04] <Duggan> working on that...[08:00:09] <umccullough> https://picasaweb.google.com/umccullough/HaikuScreenshots#5555637047411601602[08:00:28] <umccullough> someday i'll send a patch back :P[08:00:59] <umccullough> https://picasaweb.google.com/umccullough/HaikuScreenshots#5555637055962647346[08:01:48] <Duggan> looks cool[08:01:56] <Duggan> I'm working on the gfx problem hehe[08:01:57] <umccullough> it's kinda neat, but not my style[08:02:08] <umccullough> you play a tarball[08:02:12] <umccullough> literally[08:02:23] <Duggan> hehe[08:02:56] <Duggan> I still don't know what the best course of action would be, but I'm working on DRM right now[08:03:28] <Duggan> problem I've run into now is that posix monotonic clocks aren't supported in Haiku[08:03:43] <umccullough> i thought that was added at some point[08:03:52] <umccullough> semi-recently[08:04:47] <umccullough> at least, i seem to recall something in ingo's signal patches[08:04:49] <umccullough> post A3[08:05:39] <Duggan> hmm well the build I'm running doesn't seem to have them and whatever revision opengrok is using doesn't seem to have them either...[08:05:59] <umccullough> r41756 for example mentions them[08:06:07] <umccullough> the opengrok is years old :P[08:06:50] <umccullough> http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/41756[08:06:52] <Duggan> why isn't it maintained? :/[08:06:59] <Duggan> I use it all the time :/[08:07:03] <umccullough> i dunno, do you run it? i don't...[08:07:09] <umccullough> nobody here does[08:07:21] <umccullough> none of the haiku devs...[08:07:30] <umccullough> someone in sweden[08:07:44] <Duggan> hrm...[08:07:56] <umccullough> that's the problem with lots of disconnected projects[08:07:59] <Duggan> is there any way someone can set one up on a more official server?[08:08:01] <umccullough> people disappear[08:09:52] <umccullough> anyway, seems monotonic clock support should be there for at least 2 months now[08:10:20] <CIA-73> Haiku: kallisti5 * r42538 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/accelerants/radeon_hd/ (8 files in 2 dirs) http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/42538 :[08:10:20] <CIA-73> * Initial work on bios_init for setting up AtomBIOS parser[08:10:20] <CIA-73> * Refactor AtomBIOS parser to use non-linux-kernel calls[08:10:20] <CIA-73> (normally I would keep it as-is and do wrappers, but the[08:10:20] <CIA-73> AtomBIOS parser has been rewritten from scratch twice[08:10:21] <CIA-73> by its creator in the last 5 years.. so eh.[08:10:22] <CIA-73> * Refactor AtomBIOS parser to be more haiku-like stylewise[08:10:46] <umccullough> i think ingo merged it in after A3[08:10:49] <Duggan> this build is newer than 2 months...[08:11:00] <umccullough> he was developing it in a branch[08:11:07] <umccullough> i'm just saying... it's there, you just didn't get it[08:11:26] <umccullough> either because it's still in a branch, or he merged it to trunk after your build[08:11:37] <Duggan> gotcha[08:11:40] <umccullough> aren't you on the commit list?[08:11:43] *** dreamed has quit IRC[08:12:08] <Duggan> no, dev and I think 3rdparty but i haven't checked that email account in ages[08:12:50] <umccullough> the commit and dev lists are the only ones i think are worth sub'ing to now[08:13:05] <umccullough> looks like he merged in r42116[08:13:14] <umccullough> on 2011-06-12[08:13:37] <Duggan> hmm alright[08:13:43] <Duggan> I'll update I guess hehe[08:13:44] <umccullough> you can easily figure out what rev you're on with uname -a[08:13:54] <umccullough> or the AboutSystem[08:14:07] <Duggan> I was about to say, or leaf->AboutSystem[08:14:08] <Duggan> hehe[08:14:32] *** _arjen_ has quit IRC[08:14:34] <Duggan> I should theoretically have it... I'm using r42211[08:15:58] <umccullough> http://dev.haiku-os.org/browser/haiku/trunk/headers/posix/time.h#L27[08:16:47] <Duggan> let me check something...[08:17:23] <umccullough> lookshttp://dev.haiku-os.org/browser/haiku/trunk/headers/posix/unistd.h#L50[08:17:26] <umccullough> http://dev.haiku-os.org/browser/haiku/trunk/headers/posix/unistd.h#L50[08:17:34] <umccullough> http://dev.haiku-os.org/browser/haiku/trunk/headers/posix/unistd.h#L128[08:19:16] <umccullough> anyway, i dunno if it's a complete implementation, just noted that there was some support added[08:19:20] <umccullough> time for sleep now[08:19:28] <Duggan> thanks for the help[08:19:42] *** umccullough has left #haiku[08:33:26] *** Pinaraf has joined #haiku[08:42:16] *** adominguez has joined #haiku[08:48:41] <CIA-73> Haiku: czeidler * r42539 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/app/ (6 files in 3 dirs) http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/42539 : Fix coding style pointed out by Axel. Thanks for the array trick haven't known this one :-)[08:51:00] <geist> mmmm, vvvvvv looks fun[08:56:19] <OmniMancer> it is[08:56:24] <OmniMancer> and incredibly infuriating[08:59:02] <jrabbit> yup[08:59:57] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[09:01:24] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[09:01:24] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[09:02:28] *** GeekShadow has joined #haiku[09:19:29] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[09:22:17] *** bbjimmy has joined #haiku[09:22:29] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[09:24:18] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[09:32:04] *** Pinaraf has quit IRC[09:38:29] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[09:53:42] *** Ingenu has joined #haiku[10:10:51] *** MatthewH12` has quit IRC[10:15:25] *** aksr has joined #haiku[10:16:32] *** Stellar has quit IRC[10:20:19] *** Borland has joined #haiku[10:20:59] <Borland> Hello. I use a nightly build on my laptop. It has wired and wireless networking.[10:21:25] *** Stellar has joined #haiku[10:21:42] *** Drakevr has quit IRC[10:21:56] <Borland> I struggled with wpa_supplicant whithout any luck, but now the wired network card has disappeared from Network Preferences.[10:22:20] <Borland> How to get it back, so I can use wired networking?[10:23:09] <augiedoggie> rm /boot/common/settings/network/interfaces[10:24:17] <Borland> Anyway, I have to congratulate u guys. I used my laptop all night before the problem occured, and it was just like Windows. I forgot uit was Haiku. The latest nightly worked perfectly except my trouble with wpa_supplicant and the loss of wired network. WELL DONE![10:26:00] <Borland> I could surf all sorts of websites except flash. My internet bank provider works fine now. It did not in the past. I am converting to Haiku on my second laptop.[10:26:29] <saivert> My Bank requires Java[10:26:41] <saivert> Java is used for the authentication part[10:26:47] <saivert> two-factor authentication[10:29:40] *** tqh has joined #haiku[10:29:51] <Borland> My internat bank (Postbanken, Norway gives an error message "your browser does not support java" or something. It then offers a second login method involving a different password than if I used Java, and also the code chip, an electronic device that gives a random 6 digit code every time I push a button.[10:30:37] <Borland> I logged into my internet bank twice: once in bezillabrowser and once in webpositive.[10:30:59] <Borland> Haiku is for me becoming a real alternative for almost everyday use.[10:31:20] <Duggan> some of us use it for our primary OS[10:32:12] <Borland> I can't do that because I use certain websites like Youtube and programs that require Linux or Windows.[10:32:44] <Borland> But I find myself using Haiku more and more often.[10:33:08] <Duggan> I miss youtube when I'm using Haiku, but it's worth it[10:33:38] <Borland> yes, definitively.[10:34:20] <Borland> I also avoid Windows because websites log user stats. I want to increase Linux and Haiku stats.[10:36:17] <Borland> augiedoggie: I ran that command in terminal, and it returned nothing. What did it do?[10:36:38] <augiedoggie> it should rescan for interfaces on the next boot[10:37:01] <Borland> Wired networking did not come back to the network manager. Will it after a reboot?[10:37:10] <augiedoggie> probably[10:37:18] <Borland> rebooting[10:37:44] <Borland> it's so quick.[10:37:51] <Borland> back already.[10:38:14] <Borland> you were right. wired is available again.[10:38:20] <Borland> Thanks[10:38:29] <augiedoggie> I think there is an open ticket about that one[10:38:34] <augiedoggie> can't remember[10:39:17] <Borland> Can you explain what just happened? I am a complete n00b. I have interest in exotic computer os'es but no skills.[10:39:41] <augiedoggie> when you connect to a wireless network it stores some settings in that file[10:39:49] <augiedoggie> but it gets confused when switching back[10:40:20] <augiedoggie> it expects to see a wired information in there too, but it gets erased for some reason[10:40:26] <Borland> what kind of command is rm?[10:40:30] <augiedoggie> remove[10:40:36] <augiedoggie> aka delete file[10:40:52] <Borland> I just deleted the network preferences file?[10:40:57] <augiedoggie> it gets recreated[10:41:05] <Borland> great.[10:41:28] <Borland> My solutions to problems like this is reinstall. I am a noob.[10:42:50] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[10:42:50] *** HaikuUser is now known as Borland2[10:43:58] <Borland> test[10:44:10] <Borland2> test[10:44:15] *** kPb_in has quit IRC[10:44:41] <Borland2> great. It's working. This is me on my Acer Aspire with haiku and fully working network. Thanks a lot.[10:44:54] <augiedoggie> yup[10:44:59] * augiedoggie sleep[10:46:36] <Borland2> Any idea when the wpa_supplicant can be integratet with the network manager?[10:46:48] <Borland2> I hate this short rj45 cable.[10:47:48] <Duggan> don't really know right now...[10:48:00] <Duggan> I don't know much about the networking stuff, just the API[10:49:26] <Borland2> Is it the first priority of the Michael Lotz, or does he work on other things first?[10:50:11] <Duggan> I couldn't tell you[10:50:38] <Duggan> brb[10:50:49] *** Duggan has quit IRC[10:58:52] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[10:59:04] <HaikuUser> what is this crap...[10:59:08] *** HaikuUser is now known as Duggan[11:01:38] *** tqh has quit IRC[11:02:46] *** Duggan has quit IRC[11:02:55] *** Borland has quit IRC[11:02:57] *** Duggan has joined #haiku[11:03:32] <Borland2> I have two laptops. Haiku rons fine on My aging Acer Aspire. My other laptop is a super awesome Asus G73S with 64 bits i7 processor and 6 gb ram. Haiku does not load on this one. I don't remember the error message. Any ideas?[11:04:00] <Borland2> Oh there I fount the CD. The error message is the folowing:[11:04:20] <Borland2> *** PANIC ***[11:05:43] <Borland2> mmu_init(): Failed to add physical memory range 0xdf7e8000 - 0xdf7fd000[11:05:49] <Borland2>[11:05:56] <Borland2> Press key to reboot[11:06:57] <Borland2> Does Haiku not like incredibly fast gaming laptops? Perhaps Haiku has issues with huge RAMs?[11:07:13] <Duggan> sounds like it[11:07:48] <Borland2> RAM, or too much of it, bothers Haiku?[11:08:23] <_taos_> Your problem sounds a little like http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/7869[11:12:58] <Borland2> yeah Quite similar. No quicq fix?[11:13:34] <_taos_> AFAIK, not yet[11:15:08] <Borland2> Is the problem with huge ram, or with sandy bridge?[11:17:03] <_taos_> I've no idea, I've just remembered reading a ticket describing a similar problem[11:17:11] <Borland2> ok[11:19:19] <_taos_> You might find more information somewhere in http://echelog.matzon.dk/logs/browse/haiku/1311458400 searching for sandy bridge[11:24:08] <Borland2> did not find anything interesting[11:25:53] <_taos_> You could add your system information to the ticket[11:26:31] <_taos_> maybe, it helps to find the underlying problem faster[11:33:56] *** negusnyul has joined #haiku[11:38:36] <Borland2> added my info to ticket[11:38:42] *** _taos_ has quit IRC[11:38:56] *** _taos_ has joined #haiku[11:39:24] <Borland2> added my info to ticket as u said[11:40:50] <_taos_> Thanks.[11:42:32] <Borland2> np. Just want my favorite os to improve.[11:43:20] <_taos_> Now it's obvious that's not a weird bug only affecting one person[11:48:12] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[11:51:26] <Borland2> Any new on the donations? Is it happening fast enough?[11:51:50] <Borland2> Can Lotz be hired for a full year?[11:53:06] *** kPb_in has joined #haiku[11:53:11] <humdinger> I think the decision to renew the contract will be made near the end of his first term.[11:53:21] <geist> hmmm, i wonder if haiku counts as a non-profit[11:53:56] <Duggan> Haiku Inc. does[11:54:03] <Duggan> *geist[11:54:22] <Duggan> so yes, you can donate to Haiku Inc. and get a tax deduction[11:54:55] <Duggan> http://www.haiku-inc.org/[11:56:05] <Borland2> I have donated 726 USD. But I live in Norway. Can only Americans get tax cuts?[11:56:40] <humdinger> Yes Borland2.[11:56:51] <humdinger> non-USers are outa luck.[11:57:02] <Duggan> wouldn't that depend on their local law?[11:57:06] <Borland2> *insert foul words*[11:57:37] <Duggan> Borland2 I don't think anything would be keeping you from starting one in your local nation to support the project...[11:57:38] <humdinger> I think Haiku Inc. is only registered as non-profit in the US.[11:57:50] <Duggan> if they could register elsewhere that would work too...[11:57:54] <humdinger> But some countries may recognize that, I doubt it.[11:58:28] <Duggan> I doubt it too, but it's worth looking into anyway.... that and maybe Haiku Inc. registering in other countries... or the possibility of someone starting an affiliated company for donation purposes[11:59:00] <Borland2> Right... Norwegians get tax cuts for donations to non-profit organisations. But perhaps those organisations must be registered here in Norway..?[11:59:14] <Duggan> I mean Haiku Inc. owns the rights to the name and logo, but it's developed by people all over the world, I don't see why you couldn't start a similar deal in another country to help with donations[11:59:23] <Duggan> so long as you have Haiku Inc.'s blessing[11:59:40] <humdinger> I bet Haiku Inc. wouldn't resist.[11:59:56] <humdinger> It's just so much boring work, I imagine.[12:00:06] <Duggan> I would hope not, especially in scandinavia... seems we have quite a few folks here from those parts[12:00:27] <Duggan> haven't picked up the Japanese crowd just yet...[12:00:37] <Duggan> I wonder what Be did to get all that business over there...[12:02:41] <Borland2> It's amazing how I can use PayPal in WebPositive. I kinda thought I would be restrictet to reading news... This OS has come a long way in a short time. Awesome[12:03:17] <Borland2> I am not missing anything except YouTube.[12:03:27] <Duggan> hehe the OS has taken a long time to get to where it is though[12:03:36] <Duggan> this project's been going on since, what, 2001?[12:03:40] <Borland2> But how is HTML5 support going? Youtube supports HTML5.[12:04:03] <Duggan> and people were getting irked that it hadn't even reached it's first alpha until a couple years ago... but were saying it was more like a beta than an alpha hehe[12:04:58] <Borland2> Yeah, but it's been quick progress lately. Alpha2 was cool but unuseable. Could not use my bank. Now I miss Haiku when I use Windows 7. Haiku is finally good enough for every day use.[12:05:44] <geist> yeah, i might have to toss a bit of money at haiku[12:05:55] <Borland2> Start call it beta. This is not alpha. :-)[12:07:09] <humdinger> it's beta when it's feature complete.[12:07:28] <humdinger> The package manager is the big hurdle for this.[12:07:31] <Duggan> yeah a2 was pretty crap[12:07:50] <Duggan> I think the next release will be a beta[12:07:54] <Duggan> I seriously hope[12:07:59] <Borland2> What exactly does that mean? "feature complete"[12:08:07] <Duggan> no new stuff, just squashing bugs[12:08:23] *** helf has quit IRC[12:08:32] *** Tanami has quit IRC[12:08:40] *** Tanami has joined #haiku[12:08:50] *** aksr has quit IRC[12:08:58] <Borland2> Microsoft never stoped adding features. Neither did Jobs or Thorvalds. How can you say "no new stuff"?[12:08:59] <Duggan> when the devs/community are happy with where it's at as a usable system and decide there's nothing new that needs to be added before R1 so they start fixing bugs instead of making new stuff[12:08:59] <humdinger> all features needed/planned for R1 are complete (and full of bugs :) )[12:09:12] <Duggan> Borland2 they stopped long enough to release an OS :)[12:09:27] <humdinger> or work on new stuff in a branch.[12:10:48] <Borland2> Has Lotz' contract started?[12:10:51] *** helf has joined #haiku[12:12:01] <humdinger> I haven't heard anything of mmlr having started yet.[12:12:13] <humdinger> I think it was planned for mid/end of august.[12:12:46] <Borland2> cool. Haiku has become really good, and he hasn't even started yet :-)[12:12:58] <Duggan> there's PLENTY left to do...[12:13:03] <Duggan> like flash support...[12:13:30] <Duggan> ... and 3d hardware accelerated graphics...[12:13:40] <humdinger> an uptodate webkit is more important.[12:13:41] <Borland2> What's his priority list? I kinda thought that WPA_supplicant was his work[12:13:59] <Duggan> humdinger I wasn't implying he'd be working on any of that hehe[12:14:19] <Duggan> Borland2 who knows... you'd have to ask him :/[12:14:25] <humdinger> I don't think webkit is on his agenda either[12:14:35] <humdinger> there was an article, right?[12:14:54] <Duggan> an article announcing it, but I saw no definitive list of what he'd be doing or in what order[12:15:03] <Duggan> just a few brief mentions[12:15:23] <Duggan> nor any list of what would be expected for him to have completed by the end of his contract[12:15:44] <humdinger> I guess he'll pick what to do while going along...[12:15:52] <humdinger> One thing leading to the next...[12:16:09] <humdinger> I think that there's no list is deliberate.[12:16:23] <humdinger> It's more a time based contract that specific projects.[12:16:33] <Borland2> Is he hired to work on whatever he likes for six months? My employer is much more specific.[12:16:36] <Duggan> me too... I don't think I like the idea, but I'll keep faith...[12:17:10] <humdinger> I wouldn't have anybody come in and hire him for 6 months.[12:17:22] <humdinger> Michael is a proven and good guy.[12:17:38] <Duggan> yeah he's got a rep, that's why I'm keeping faith hehe[12:17:57] <humdinger> Also, he couldn't show his face at BeGaistert any more:)[12:18:01] <Duggan> anybody less I may not trust so much hehe[12:18:04] <humdinger> *BeGeistert[12:18:17] <Duggan> hehe yeah[12:19:26] <Duggan> what do you think, humdinger... 3d hw accel ready for R1? :D[12:19:57] <humdinger> That depends totally on you, mate. :)[12:20:14] <humdinger> But I kinda doubt it...[12:20:21] <Duggan> gee thanks :P[12:20:25] <humdinger> hehe[12:20:28] <Duggan> lol[12:22:07] <Borland2> Will there be a year till next release?[12:22:27] <Borland2> Over a year passes from r2 to r3[12:23:03] * humdinger is looking for his crystal ball[12:23:35] <Borland2> I>'m just asking. Ubuntu deliberately follows a calendar.[12:23:46] * Duggan stole humdinger's crystal ball a couple years back but pawned it for a lawnmower a couple months later.[12:24:06] <Duggan> you're in the wrong room, try #Ubuntu :)[12:24:11] <humdinger> I just had a look: "Maybe"[12:24:14] <humdinger> http://web.ics.purdue.edu/~ssanty/cgi-bin/eightball.cgi[12:24:49] <humdinger> Duggan pwnd me again...[12:25:25] <Borland2> All this nonsense means that Haiku does not follow a calendar sceduale, and the next release could be anytime?[12:25:29] <Duggan> lol[12:25:40] <Duggan> I asked it: will I implement 3d hardware acceleration in haiku soon?[12:25:45] <Duggan> answer?.... "no way!" :'([12:25:58] <Duggan> Borland2 yes.... whenever it's ready[12:27:13] <_taos_> Hehe, but I got a "yes" for "Will be there a haiku beta release next year?[12:28:08] <humdinger> A self-contradicting 8-ball, unheard off. Probably a bug in the implementation...[12:28:11] <Borland2> Have I ever had sex with Penelope Crus? ..... Yes.[12:28:14] <Duggan> ah!!! " is the probability that you are usually wrong high?" answer: "Yes"[12:28:15] <humdinger> hi _taos_, btw.[12:28:37] <_taos_> hi humdinger[12:29:10] <Borland2> I would not play the stock marked based on eightball[12:29:39] *** The123king has joined #haiku[12:30:36] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[12:30:53] <Duggan> aha! I got it![12:31:13] <Duggan> were you wrong when I asked if I would have 3d hardware acceleration in haiku finished soon? : My sources say no.[12:31:28] <Duggan> was your last statement false? : Absolutely![12:31:44] <Duggan> ok back to work...[12:31:55] * humdinger is cracking the whip[12:32:07] <Duggan> I was talking to you, humdinger :P[12:32:07] <Duggan> jk[12:32:11] <Duggan> got a DRM driver to work on...[12:32:20] <humdinger> oh :)[12:32:44] <Borland2> drm? as in digital rights management or something else?[12:33:03] <Duggan> as in some crap from the linux gfx stack[12:33:10] <OmniMancer> direct rendering management I think[12:33:12] <Duggan> direct some watchamadinger or other[12:33:25] <humdinger> Lunch![12:33:27] <humdinger> Mahlzeit![12:33:30] *** aksr has joined #haiku[12:33:31] <Borland2> good. i hate drm.[12:33:42] <Duggan> then you don't get 3d hw acceleration![12:33:46] *** humdinger is now known as humdinger_stuffi[12:34:56] <Borland2> has codycam ever worked for anybody?[12:35:05] <Duggan> yep[12:35:07] <_taos_> not for me[12:35:14] <Duggan> back when the BeOS was shiny and new...[12:35:23] <Borland2> me neither on 3 different laptops[12:36:26] <Borland2> What's missing? webcam drivers? They work in Linux.[12:36:48] <OmniMancer> Borland2: works on linux is not reason for it to work anywhere else[12:37:46] <Duggan> directx works in windows...[12:38:26] <_taos_> seems haiku doesn't like built-in usb webcams[12:38:40] *** Nozy has joined #haiku[12:39:03] <Borland2> If it works in Linux, it probably means opensource drivers exist. Which could be adaptd for Haiku easily, I hope[12:39:19] <OmniMancer> Borland2: I see you aren't a programmer[12:39:25] <Borland2> correct[12:39:27] <OmniMancer> and are unfamiliar with linux[12:39:52] <OmniMancer> drivers existing does not mean they are easy to read or decipher[12:40:09] <Borland2> ok. i already daid i am a noob.[12:40:20] <OmniMancer> in some cases on linux it means they will be impossible to decipher or read them[12:40:40] <OmniMancer> anyway easily is not the adverb to describe the action[12:40:48] <Borland2> how can anything be impossible if u got the source code?[12:41:28] <Borland2> just asking. I am not a programmer. I don't know how it works[12:41:37] <geist> source code != documentation for hardware[12:41:43] <OmniMancer> exactly[12:42:11] *** Nozy has left #haiku[12:42:13] <Borland2> so u need documntation before u can adapt a lnux driver for Haiku?[12:42:41] <OmniMancer> also most linux code seems to be written under a style guide that suggests that putting comments in the code will have you taken outside and executed.[12:42:44] <geist> generally, yes[12:42:54] <OmniMancer> just because you have code that does something[12:43:14] <OmniMancer> doesn't mean you know what the something does to the hardware, or more importantly why you do that something[12:43:37] <geist> so sometimes you can crib a working driver by reading another one, but most of the time you'll just end up frusterated and unhappy[12:44:22] <Borland2> ok.[12:44:51] <geist> double so since linux drivers are GPL so you can't even copy word for word something you donmt understand but knows works[12:45:24] <Borland2> test[12:45:24] <Borland2> can u read? my rj45 was unplugged[12:45:42] <OmniMancer> yes we hear you[12:45:51] <Borland2> great[12:45:58] <OmniMancer> geist: indeed[12:46:39] <Borland2> why not just copy it and release under the same licence?[12:46:55] <Duggan> licenses don't work that way[12:47:12] <OmniMancer> the gpl is INCREDIBLY annoying[12:47:16] <Borland2> how do they work in this case?[12:47:48] <Borland2> can't you release a mit haiku containing a gpl driver for webcam?[12:48:08] <geist> probably not[12:48:17] <OmniMancer> drivers must be linked into the kernel[12:48:30] <OmniMancer> if it was lgpl then the license need only apply to the driver[12:48:41] <OmniMancer> but gpl requires that the kernel be under the gpl in this case[12:49:01] <OmniMancer> so by putting in a gpl driver the whole kernel must be gpl[12:49:08] <geist> right, might be able to run it in user space and be okay mostly. especialyl if it's a usb webcam[12:49:39] <OmniMancer> but that would likely require enough understanding to implement it yourself :/[12:49:45] <geist> exactly[12:49:54] *** schaapie has joined #haiku[12:50:09] <geist> hardware drivers are always a huge pain. back in the original Be days it was a bit worse, because there usually wasn't even a linux driver around[12:50:18] <Duggan> if however you find BSD drivers, that might be a different question... they might be MIT licensed (MIGHT)[12:50:32] <OmniMancer> or atleast not gpl[12:50:34] <geist> now it's slightly better, but in some ways worse, because the hw manufacturers are like 'well, we have an open source driver, why are you complaining?'[12:50:35] <Duggan> yep[12:50:42] <OmniMancer> I believe BSD license is not as annoying[12:50:48] <Duggan> not nearly[12:51:09] <OmniMancer> BSD license isn't viral[12:51:12] <Duggan> it would allow for linking as far as I know, but still can't change the driver's license... but I'm not entirely sure[12:51:46] <OmniMancer> Duggan: you can't change the license[12:51:48] <OmniMancer> but you don't need to[12:52:07] <OmniMancer> since it only requires attribution much like MIT I believe[12:52:08] <Duggan> I know you can't change the license, I was saying that about the linking question[12:52:26] <geist> anyway, driver apis vary widely between oses[12:52:28] <Duggan> that's why I said "but still can't change the driver's license" :)[12:52:28] <OmniMancer> and it doenst need the license change for either thing for linking[12:52:47] <geist> so unless you write a layer of code that emulates the other OSes driver api (like haiku did for freebsd nic drivers) you have to hack it up a lot anyway[12:52:52] <OmniMancer> geist: indeed, most drivers are rather entwined with the API too[12:53:20] <Duggan> any idea on what the technical percentage is before it's no longer "the same product"?[12:53:31] <Duggan> I think it's like 60% or something, but I'm not sure[12:53:38] <geist> not that i'm aware of[12:53:48] <geist> it's relaly what holds up in court, if someone were to call you on it[12:53:55] <Duggan> yep[12:54:02] <OmniMancer> the important thing is not percentages in copyright[12:54:11] <OmniMancer> its whether you copied the important part of the work[12:54:14] <Duggan> but then again, the BSD guys may be willing to change the license if you asked nicely enough.... who knows hehe[12:54:34] <OmniMancer> Duggan: why are you obsessed with changing the license when a BSD license is fine[12:54:43] <Duggan> OmniMancer I'm not :/[12:56:18] <Duggan> gcc works perfectly fine, but there's been a little talk here and there of replacing it with llvm... why do you think that is?[12:56:18] *** Barrett has quit IRC[12:56:28] <Duggan> only because the license is more in line with Haiku's MIT license[12:56:38] <Duggan> llvm in this case I believe is MIT as well...[12:56:44] <OmniMancer> yes[12:57:02] <OmniMancer> that and clang has much prettier error messages[12:57:10] <Duggan> so why would they bring that up if gcc works fine? same reason I was talking about the licenses for the drivers in question[12:57:17] <geist> last I checked MIT == 2 clause BSD[12:57:24] <geist> pretty much the same thing just without the attribution clause[12:57:26] <Duggan> geist effectively, yes[12:57:51] <Duggan> 3 clause has attribution and even that I don't mind so much[12:58:02] <OmniMancer> and the attribution clause would only need an entry in about system[12:58:09] <Duggan> yep[12:58:28] <Duggan> and 2 clause wouldn't even require that[12:59:11] <CIA-73> Haiku: czeidler * r42540 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/app/Window.cpp http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/42540 : Check if there is still a decorator. Fixes #7894.[12:59:14] <OmniMancer> people don't mind those things[12:59:26] <OmniMancer> they mind gpl because of various annoying qualities of it[12:59:39] <geist> yeah, most of my stuff is 2 or 3 clause BSD, which is why it was compatible with haiku's eventual license[12:59:55] <geist> back in the openbeos days it was one of the main reasons they liked newos[13:01:51] <OmniMancer> :)[13:04:41] <Teknomancer> haiku is MIT right?[13:05:45] <Duggan> Teknomancer yes :|[13:05:47] <Duggan> lol[13:05:58] <Teknomancer> right, for a long time[13:06:02] <Teknomancer> i was under the impression it was BSD[13:06:39] <Teknomancer> but close enough i guess to MIT[13:09:41] <Duggan> any of you guys happen to know what a *.in file is in an automake system?[13:10:03] <Duggan> do they define different targets or what?[13:12:38] <OmniMancer> they are the files that are processed to produce the actual files used for the build[13:13:40] <Duggan> it looks in this one like it defines a target... I'm not sure though[13:14:03] <Duggan> I thought DRM was supposed to be one driver, but if this file describes a target then it certainly isn't one driver[13:16:51] <Duggan> automake really sucks :/[13:17:01] <Duggan> it would probably be pretty awesome if it worked :/[13:17:24] <Borland2> bye[13:17:32] <Duggan> l8r Borland2[13:17:56] *** Borland2 has quit IRC[13:20:46] *** humdinger_stuffi has quit IRC[13:23:41] *** _taos_ has quit IRC[13:30:36] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[13:30:43] *** HaikuUser is now known as _taos_[13:50:05] *** Drakevr has joined #haiku[13:50:50] *** aksr has quit IRC[13:51:13] *** aksr has joined #haiku[13:51:44] *** aksr has joined #haiku[14:00:45] *** Drakevr has quit IRC[14:00:45] *** Drakevr has joined #haiku[14:15:15] *** aksr has quit IRC[14:15:31] *** aksr has joined #haiku[14:21:08] *** Nozy has joined #haiku[14:21:22] <Nozy> hi all[14:30:59] <Nozy> how do you take a screen shot on haiku ?[14:32:05] <Teknomancer> print screen key?[14:32:24] <Nozy> that works ?[14:32:27] <Nozy> ok[14:32:35] <Nozy> LOL it does[14:32:53] <Nozy> not sure why I did not try that at all[14:42:00] <Nozy> thank Teknomancer[14:42:16] <Teknomancer> no prob[14:47:20] *** Nozy has quit IRC[14:47:44] *** Nozy has joined #haiku[14:56:39] *** dak_ has joined #haiku[14:57:29] *** kPb_in has quit IRC[14:59:00] <Nozy> night all[14:59:08] *** Nozy has quit IRC[15:04:48] *** aksr has quit IRC[15:04:55] *** kPb_in has joined #haiku[15:05:53] *** adominguez has quit IRC[15:09:39] *** aksr has joined #haiku[15:10:38] *** kPb_in has quit IRC[15:11:20] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[15:15:39] *** kPb_in has joined #haiku[15:16:41] *** MatthewH12 has joined #haiku[15:19:16] *** brrant has joined #haiku[15:21:30] *** LordLobo has joined #haiku[15:23:19] *** WebDawg has quit IRC[15:23:43] *** kPb_in has quit IRC[15:26:21] *** kPb_in has joined #haiku[15:28:48] *** fhein has joined #haiku[15:33:53] *** WebDawg has joined #haiku[15:34:31] *** WebDawg has quit IRC[15:36:30] *** cherrypai has joined #haiku[15:37:01] *** judgen has joined #haiku[15:39:13] *** cherrypie has quit IRC[15:48:04] *** aksr has quit IRC[15:57:34] *** mmlr_work has joined #haiku[15:57:54] <humdinger> hi mmlr_work[16:09:09] <mmlr_work> hi humdinger[16:09:13] <mmlr_work> what's up?[16:09:28] <humdinger> not much...[16:09:38] <humdinger> Have you already started your 6 months Haiku work?[16:10:22] <mmlr_work> nope[16:10:30] <mmlr_work> early september[16:10:40] <humdinger> OK.[16:10:42] <humdinger> cool![16:14:00] <mmlr_work> yeah, been pretty busy in my free time recently, so I didn't get very far haiku wise[16:14:18] <mmlr_work> once the contract starts both can finally go alongside eachother[16:14:34] <mmlr_work> it just sucks that the usd/chf rate is dwindling[16:14:59] <humdinger> Maybe by the time it's payday, it'll be up again...[16:15:34] <mmlr_work> possibly[16:16:11] <mmlr_work> if it would stop going down for once that'd be a start[16:17:07] <humdinger> Yeah, the US economy isn't that impressive recently...[16:19:48] *** The_Ringmaster has quit IRC[16:21:20] <Teknomancer> hmm[16:21:58] *** aksr has joined #haiku[16:31:33] *** schaapie has quit IRC[16:31:54] *** smop has quit IRC[16:35:02] *** lollo64it has quit IRC[16:38:18] *** smop has joined #haiku[16:45:17] *** dr_evil_ has joined #haiku[16:45:30] *** tqh has joined #haiku[16:48:01] *** noz_mob has joined #haiku[16:48:39] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[16:49:22] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[16:49:57] *** lollo64it has joined #haiku[16:50:08] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[16:51:05] *** humdinger has quit IRC[16:54:38] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[17:01:02] *** zgaga has joined #haiku[17:01:32] <CIA-73> Haiku: kallisti5 * r42541 /haiku/trunk/ (6 files in 3 dirs) http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/42541 : (log message trimmed)[17:01:32] <CIA-73> * Move bios_info into shared info[17:01:32] <CIA-73> * Pull pci_rom base address from pci subsystem[17:01:32] <CIA-73> * Point AtomBIOS parser to pci rom address[17:01:32] <CIA-73> to set up and malloc atom_context[17:01:32] <CIA-73> * This is untested! Don't run on an[17:01:32] <CIA-73> expensive card until I test it on a cheaper[17:06:33] *** tqh has quit IRC[17:22:03] *** helf2 has joined #haiku[17:24:12] *** helf has quit IRC[17:24:14] *** helf2 is now known as helf[17:28:15] *** lollo64it has quit IRC[17:33:40] *** iMe has joined #haiku[17:41:01] *** fhein has quit IRC[17:41:02] *** VboxHaiku has joined #haiku[17:44:17] *** Colin_Finck|lap has joined #haiku[17:44:31] *** Colin_Finck|lap has quit IRC[17:44:31] *** Colin_Finck|lap has joined #haiku[17:48:05] *** jmelesky has joined #haiku[17:48:11] *** bigs has quit IRC[17:53:46] *** aksr has quit IRC[17:56:40] <judgen> g'day mates[17:57:24] <judgen> AtomBIOS, what would that do?[17:58:41] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[17:59:56] <judgen> I someone working on the ION graphics (i wish) or is this related to the Atom intel gfx chip?[18:01:04] *** VboxHaiku has quit IRC[18:02:15] *** jjido has joined #haiku[18:03:05] *** jjido has quit IRC[18:07:53] *** negusnyul has quit IRC[18:09:00] *** negusnyul has joined #haiku[18:18:09] <CIA-73> Haiku: kallisti5 * r42542 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/accelerants/radeon_hd/Jamfile http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/42542 :[18:18:09] <CIA-73> * Fix Jamfile to properly reference external source file.[18:18:09] <CIA-73> (thanks DeadYak!)[18:23:26] <zgaga> what is this "add-ons/accelerants" for ?[18:26:50] *** AmineKhaldi has quit IRC[18:39:19] *** elliottcable is now known as sad_elliottcable[18:41:24] *** sad_elliottcable is now known as elliottcable[19:01:35] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[19:02:15] *** Barrett has quit IRC[19:02:50] *** AmineKhaldi has joined #haiku[19:06:56] *** Cr0wb4r has quit IRC[19:15:03] *** tqh has joined #haiku[19:16:22] *** MAX2 has quit IRC[19:16:23] *** mmlr_work has quit IRC[19:22:45] *** Animal-X has joined #haiku[19:23:03] *** lukove has joined #haiku[19:24:19] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[19:24:55] *** luroh has joined #haiku[19:24:55] *** Animal-X has quit IRC[19:25:07] *** Animal-X has joined #haiku[19:30:41] *** MAX2 has joined #haiku[19:39:46] *** Colin_Finck|lap is now known as Colin_Finck|afk[19:45:17] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[19:47:53] *** oco2 has joined #haiku[19:48:05] *** vooshy has joined #haiku[19:55:22] *** GeekShadow has quit IRC[19:57:00] *** Animal-X has quit IRC[19:57:17] *** Animal-X has joined #haiku[19:58:57] *** AmineKhaldi_ has joined #haiku[19:59:08] *** Tapionp has joined #haiku[20:02:02] *** AmineKhaldi has quit IRC[20:02:11] *** BDifferent has joined #haiku[20:02:30] <BDifferent> Hello all :-)[20:04:15] *** fhein has joined #haiku[20:04:30] *** lollo64it has joined #haiku[20:04:34] <BDifferent> Is it safe to install Haiku R1 alpha 3 onto an existing partition (ATM alpha 2 is installed on that partition)? Do I have to some special stuff afterwards (for alpha2 I had to do update the MIME database)?[20:06:23] <augiedoggie> it can be done but there were so many changes you'll probably want to start clean[20:07:05] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[20:08:29] <CIA-73> Haiku: kallisti5 * r42543 /haiku/trunk/ (5 files in 4 dirs) http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/42543 :[20:08:29] <CIA-73> * Map AtomBIOS specified by PCI rom into virtual memory[20:08:29] <CIA-73> * Point AtomBIOS to PCI rom mapped in memory[20:08:29] <CIA-73> * Things no longer crash, but we get an Invalid BIOS Magic error[20:08:29] <CIA-73> in the logs.[20:08:32] <BDifferent> but the files that have changed will be overwritten anyway with the new ones. can you explain? (maybe with an example)[20:09:22] <augiedoggie> a lot of the optional packages have changed directory layout, so you'll end up with many old files laying around[20:09:40] <augiedoggie> I believe a couple drivers were removed and those will be left laying around[20:09:53] *** Pinaraf has joined #haiku[20:09:55] <BDifferent> okay that makes sense[20:17:31] <CIA-73> Haiku: kallisti5 * r42544 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/accelerants/radeon_hd/atombios/atom.cpp http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/42544 :[20:17:31] <CIA-73> * Quick style cleanup[20:17:31] <CIA-73> * Check for failed malloc in atom_parse[20:18:06] *** idefix_xifedi has quit IRC[20:20:38] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[20:25:41] <BDifferent> is it a problem if the partition to install to - from the alpha 3 disk - is named Haiku, just like the source? just had a panic[20:26:37] *** vooshy has quit IRC[20:27:57] <_taos_> BDifferent, I think there shouldn't be a problem[20:27:58] *** iMe has quit IRC[20:28:36] <_taos_> I've installed from Haiku to Haiku myself[20:29:47] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[20:29:47] *** HaikuUser is now known as binkySMC[20:35:34] <BDifferent> @taos:yes, that was not the problem. it just panicked again during install. will have to search for a solution[20:35:50] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[20:36:25] <BDifferent> does that ring a bell for someone? "PANIC: ASSERT FAILED (.../kernel/slab/MemoryManager.cpp:979)"[20:37:02] <binkySMC> what kind of hardware ?[20:37:29] <BDifferent> acer aspire timeline 1810 tz (netbook, core2)[20:37:59] <binkySMC> intel hardware ? could be a corrupt virtual memory swap file[20:39:25] <BDifferent> what can i do about it?[20:39:51] <BDifferent> it occurs during install from the alpha 3 cd[20:40:07] <BDifferent> onto a freshly init'ed BeFS partition[20:40:07] <binkySMC> ooh, I thought this was happening on a running install[20:40:11] <BDifferent> no[20:40:14] <binkySMC> oh[20:40:16] <binkySMC> sorry[20:40:22] <binkySMC> cd or usb ?[20:40:37] <BDifferent> cd[20:40:51] <binkySMC> try usb ?[20:41:02] <HeTo> BDifferent: IIRC the line number was different, but I had the same problem[20:41:02] <_taos_> I had some problems with a corrupted cd once[20:41:23] <_taos_> live-cd mode worked fine, but I got a panic during install[20:41:32] <BDifferent> @HeTo: could you solve it?[20:41:45] <HeTo> BDifferent: it was solved post-alpha 3[20:41:56] <BDifferent> hm, I could try live-cd mode and then run the installer from there[20:42:13] <HeTo> BDifferent: or download a nightly[20:42:15] <BDifferent> @HeTo: so you tried a later revision?[20:42:19] <BDifferent> yes[20:42:48] <binkySMC> bdifferent that might work, but you might wanna try from a usb stick to see if the problem persists, could be a problem with the ide/sata driver and your hardware[20:43:09] <PulkoMandy> well try a newer nightly[20:43:11] <HeTo> BDifferent: yeah I tried a later revision after the bug got fixed[20:43:17] <PulkoMandy> if it works, no need to bother researching further[20:43:46] <HeTo> BDifferent: see the reopening of http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/6237[20:43:54] <BDifferent> i had problems using usb stick when i tried to install from my usb sticks (st the time of alpha 2). i will try a nightly first[20:46:17] *** kPb_in has quit IRC[20:47:05] *** Hery has joined #haiku[20:48:52] <BDifferent> i assume it is safe to just use the latest revision? I cannot remember anything from the mailing lists in the last days that tells me that the latest revisions are less stable than former ones (as long as i do not use the radeon driver :-) )[20:49:31] <augiedoggie> the radeon_hd isn't included anyhow[20:50:24] <_taos_> The deskbar might move around a little (probably because of S&T restructuring)[20:51:03] <PulkoMandy> the EXR Translator is still broken, preventing many R5 apps to run[20:51:08] <_taos_> and Mails are saved without status attributes (e.g. new)[20:51:10] <PulkoMandy> delete it if it annoys you[20:51:20] <binkySMC> EXR translator ?[20:52:05] *** MAX2 has quit IRC[20:52:22] <BDifferent> that sounds stable enough to me :-)[20:52:59] *** GeekShadow has joined #haiku[20:58:19] *** phalax has joined #haiku[20:58:39] <PulkoMandy> binkySMC: well yes, the translator that allows apps to open EXR images[20:58:44] <PulkoMandy> (rather rare format)[21:01:12] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[21:03:28] *** pulkomandy has joined 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<binkySMC> I use it everyday ![21:30:20] <BDifferent> thanks :-) know it already, beos user since 1999 :-)[21:30:28] *** lollo64it has quit IRC[21:31:08] <binkySMC> just waiting for GOBE productive and some real accounting software with a good gui !, then i'll switch the bussines over.[21:33:38] *** zgaga has left #haiku[21:33:39] <DaaT> i'm waiting for michael to finish wpa[21:34:34] *** BDifferent has quit IRC[21:35:33] *** heroid has quit IRC[21:42:16] *** pulkomandy has quit IRC[21:43:43] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[21:54:26] *** phalax has joined #haiku[21:55:12] *** iMe has joined #haiku[22:08:55] *** markos_ has quit IRC[22:16:31] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[22:19:44] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[22:26:43] *** Telek has quit IRC[22:28:00] *** negusnyul has quit IRC[22:28:02] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[22:28:40] *** negusnyul has joined #haiku[22:29:46] *** negusnyul has quit IRC[22:30:12] <evildaemon> I use a wired connection, WPA is only relevant for me on a laptop.[22:31:23] <DaaT> bingo[22:31:57] *** negusnyul has joined #haiku[22:33:46] *** Colin_Finck|afk is now known as Colin_Finck|lap[22:37:03] <binkySMC> I don't have wireless anywhere, everything is wired for me, but wpa/wpa2 is fiarly critical[22:38:21] *** fhein has quit IRC[22:40:17] *** `marianne` has quit IRC[22:41:05] <DaaT> binkySMC: I would say bloody critical, not "fairly critical"[22:41:34] *** `marianne` has joined #haiku[22:41:45] <binkySMC> if you say so[22:44:22] *** oxoocoffee has joined #haiku[22:46:28] <binkySMC> who's working on wpa now ?[22:50:58] *** phalax has quit IRC[22:54:41] <PulkoMandy> mmlr should start soon[22:54:56] <PulkoMandy> it's already working actually, just needs a GUI around it and a commit to trunk[23:00:07] <DaaT> PulkoMandy: _almost_ working :)[23:00:31] <PulkoMandy> didn't try it :)[23:01:08] <DaaT> :)[23:02:32] <binkySMC> wow, thats pretty awesome ![23:03:05] <binkySMC> so knock one of the list, only like 20 more things to go, I have noticed mmlr is a coding machine[23:03:29] <DaaT> he's quite focused yes :) and working fulltime...[23:03:43] <binkySMC> is he fulltime on haiku now ?[23:03:49] <binkySMC> I thought that started soon ![23:04:28] <DaaT> he will start soon[23:04:50] *** Colin_Finck|lap has quit IRC[23:04:51] <binkySMC> I have a feeling we are going to see a very big forward movement[23:05:10] <PulkoMandy> that's the idea :)[23:05:20] <negusnyul> what is the status of nvidia support in Haiku?[23:05:30] *** GeekShadow has quit IRC[23:05:34] <binkySMC> watching mmlr work on io-apic was impressive and then fixing the amd usb issues was equally impressive ![23:05:56] <binkySMC> nerusnyul I belive the haik driver works into the 6xxxx series card for mode setting[23:06:27] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[23:07:12] <binkySMC> it has trouble with a few resolutions on some monitors though[23:07:17] <negusnyul> I have a gt 220 card, any chance that I can get better resolutions than 1024x768?[23:07:25] <binkySMC> has trouble with my 1280x1024 panel[23:07:59] <PulkoMandy> binkySMC: if it's actually the nvidia driver (not vesa), you can force a resolution in its settings file[23:08:00] <binkySMC> negsnyul, how old is your install ? Axel made some changes to the vesa driver recently I think in the 424xx series[23:08:19] <binkySMC> Pulkomandy the resolution sets, it just looks all distroted[23:08:52] <binkySMC> vertically stretched actually[23:09:11] <PulkoMandy> oh[23:09:18] <PulkoMandy> may be a problem with the GTF then[23:09:37] <negusnyul> binkySMC: some nightly between A2 and A3, I will try a fresh nightly build then[23:10:47] <negusnyul> 1920x1080 would be fantastic[23:11:39] <binkySMC> ehhh, next issue will be under/overscalling if its on hdmi dvi[23:11:51] <negusnyul> I'm seriously considering switching to Haiku as my main OS, now WPA is almost done, the only big hardware issue is the graphics driver for me[23:11:55] <binkySMC> that shit drives me crazy, why in the world did they start that nonsense[23:14:22] <binkySMC> about to try frogatto on a gcc2hybrid, maybe it'll work, maybe it won't ![23:14:27] <HeTo> binkySMC: do you mean reduced blanking?[23:14:51] <binkySMC> no I mean underscalling, IE where there is a border around the panel[23:16:46] <PulkoMandy> well I prefer that to zooming and making everything look blurry[23:17:32] <binkySMC> I'd prefer if they'd just standardize the damn gpu instruction set and interface design so one driver could work with every card.[23:17:34] *** The123king has quit IRC[23:18:05] <binkySMC> frogatto no worky on a3, damn that sucks[23:20:46] <PulkoMandy> michaelvo seal of quality, what did you expect ?[23:21:04] <binkySMC> well, Hes trying at least.[23:21:17] <PulkoMandy> a standard gpu interface would lock any improvements to it[23:21:23] <PulkoMandy> there's a good reason they all are different[23:21:52] <PulkoMandy> but they could try not to change the modesetting part... and release the specs to their cards too. That would make it a lot easier[23:22:11] <PulkoMandy> wel, he's not trying, we told him countless time to NOT build stuff in a gcc4h system[23:22:18] <PulkoMandy> he doesn't want to switch to gcc2h[23:22:33] <PulkoMandy> so he's messing everyone's install[23:28:44] *** oxoocoffee has quit IRC[23:31:29] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[23:32:13] <HaikuUser> oops[23:32:59] <vooshy> correction - all users that trust michaelvo's seal of quality[23:36:56] <HaikuUser> i am currently running the nightly vmdk, is there a webbrowser in this image ?[23:40:41] *** HaikuUser2 has joined #haiku[23:40:41] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[23:42:38] <vooshy> HaikuUser2: you need to install the webbrowser open a terminal and run "installoptionalpackage webpositive"[23:43:57] <HaikuUser2> thanks[23:45:37] *** lukove has quit IRC[23:48:27] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[23:49:30] *** Skipp_OSXI has joined #haiku[23:50:58] <negusnyul> just downloaded and booted the latest nightly on my laptop but the max available resolution is 1024x768[23:51:36] <negusnyul> is there any way I can get 1366x768 with intel integrated graphics?[23:52:14] <tiffany> I haven't gotten around to burning an ISO yet... :I[23:52:33] <vooshy> ~[23:53:20] <augiedoggie> ☊[23:53:29] <scgtrp> negusnyul: i've hacked that into the vesa mode list here, i'm not sure if it'll work on real hardware[23:53:35][23:53:46] *** _arjen_ has joined #haiku[23:54:14] <negusnyul> scgtrp: and how can I enable it? (It's Intel HM57)[23:55:12] <scgtrp> negusnyul: add a line to the vesa driver and recompile it :P[23:55:23] <vooshy> negunsnyul: i use 1280x720 by holding shift on boot[23:55:34] <scgtrp> ... oh, you can do that? shiny[23:55:52] *** nsuperbus has quit IRC[23:56:07] <negusnyul> vooshy: trying that right now[23:56:42] <DaaT> negusnyul: you can update bug #7751, if that doesn't work. Update it with your hardware and a syslog[23:57:54] <negusnyul> vooshy: no, I cannot select widescreen resolutions in the bootloader's menu[23:58:11] <Skipp_OSXI> negusnyul... where do I know that name from...[23:59:04] <negusnyul> Skipp_OSXI: don't know, I've written some small patches, maybe that :)[23:59:27] <vooshy> negusnyul: theres usually one near the bottom :S as i said something like 1280x700 or similar[23:59:40] *** tqh has quit IRC