August 1, 2010 
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August 1, 2010 [00:01:48] *** dru345-haiku has joined #haiku[00:10:21] <Anarchos> how to let a wait for a second or 2 in a prog ?[00:10:51] <pythium> depends, i think BeOS had some function called "snooze()" to sleep the current thread[00:11:01] <pythium> or use sleep()[00:11:26] <pythium> unistd.h[00:13:36] <Anarchos> pythium ok[00:16:18] <l_n> Anarchos: you can't just wait for a certain return value from the method that's causing the need for the delay?[00:16:53] <Anarchos> l_n no : interprocess communication, and the second thread is to slow[00:17:17] <l_n> hrm.. so a simple while(!foo) {} won't work, eh?[00:17:39] <Anarchos> l_n it is just for debugging needs, not a permanent need[00:17:47] <l_n> ah, okay[00:18:45] * l_n goes back to reading.[00:22:52] *** Megaf has joined #haiku[00:22:55] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[00:24:55] *** Shisui has quit IRC[00:25:15] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[00:25:32] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[00:27:47] *** pythium has quit IRC[00:36:07] *** vooshy has quit IRC[00:38:56] <l_n> stupid touchpad palming almost caused me to put a ; after #include <bleh>[00:39:09] *** RQ has quit IRC[00:51:00] *** marc_smith has quit IRC[00:55:24] *** Sir_Konrad has quit IRC[00:55:37] *** lorenzo has quit IRC[00:57:42] *** bubsy has quit IRC[00:57:50] *** adriano-src has quit IRC[01:00:15] *** bubsy has joined #haiku[01:03:59] *** PasNox has quit IRC[01:04:07] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[01:05:42] *** StreaK|ON has joined #haiku[01:06:55] *** _gringo has quit IRC[01:07:43] <StreaK|ON> another web browser for haiku to choose from -> http://omploader.org/vNTN0aQ :)[01:08:03] <StreaK|ON> seems to be even faster than qtweb..[01:08:23] *** lorenzo has joined #haiku[01:09:48] <StreaK|ON> but the name "weltweitimnetz" is awful imo :([01:10:19] <brobostigon> agreed,[01:10:33] <brobostigon> it doesnt pronouce well.[01:19:33] <StreaK|ON> g'night all[01:19:43] <dru345> goodnight StreaK|ON[01:19:58] *** StreaK|ON has quit IRC[01:31:49] *** jmayfield__ has quit IRC[01:32:31] *** saivert has quit IRC[01:39:50] *** saivert has joined #haiku[01:41:08] *** Hubert_ has joined #haiku[01:42:41] <mmu_man> ENTER console_type_create_toolbar_beos()[01:42:47] <mmu_man> ok temacs builds again[01:42:49] <mmu_man> but it crashes[01:45:41] <l_n> whatever happened to the work on xemacs and/or gnu emacs?[01:46:13] <mmu_screen> didn't touch xemacs for a while[01:46:22] <mmu_screen> I just branched from hg tip today[01:46:33] <mmu_screen> having to merge patches is painful[01:46:47] <mmu_screen> dunno about GNU Emacs, didn't look at it[01:46:53] <l_n> due to their policies or the source itself?[01:46:58] <mmu_man> ahh, fixed[01:47:02] <l_n> (the merging being a PITA..)[01:47:05] <mmu_man> they like to shuffle things around[01:47:11] <mmu_man> rename functions, change args[01:47:26] <mmu_man> Bootstrapping from temacs...[01:47:30] <l_n> that's not good practice.... :-/[01:47:37] <Anarchos> how to erase 'recent documents' ?[01:47:51] <l_n> renaming documented public api's is retarded.[01:48:49] <mmu_man> well i'ts not public API, it's internal functions that I use in the gui code[01:48:57] <mmu_man> still[01:48:58] *** saivert has quit IRC[01:50:42] <l_n> yeah.. but you still shouldn't rename stuff in non-OOP environments.. as you've stated, it causes much breakage in strange ways.[01:53:10] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[01:53:20] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[01:53:20] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[01:56:59] *** saivert has joined #haiku[02:02:23] <mmu_man> ok, now back to the previous state[02:02:28] <mmu_man> it opens a window but the wrong size[02:02:35] *** Barrett has quit IRC[02:02:58] *** dru345-haiku has quit IRC[02:04:52] <brobostigon> good night all, sleep well.[02:07:13] *** brobostigon has quit IRC[02:21:08] *** Hubert_ has quit IRC[02:32:14] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[02:33:55] *** x-pilot has quit IRC[02:41:28] *** Barrett has quit IRC[02:56:22] *** HaikuBuntu has joined #haiku[03:04:50] *** jmayfield__ has joined #haiku[03:05:15] *** Sir_Konrad has joined #haiku[03:19:57] *** Disreali has quit IRC[03:30:46] *** HaikuBuntu has quit IRC[03:35:24] *** Ola__ has quit IRC[03:43:50] *** Nozy has joined #haiku[03:45:14] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[04:02:53] *** pailknife has joined #haiku[04:15:35] *** __name__ has joined #haiku[04:17:38] *** pailknife has quit IRC[04:18:28] *** Megaf has quit IRC[04:19:46] *** Elench has joined #haiku[04:23:25] <Elench> Hi, sorry for an open ended question, but what is the thinking behind the UI and behind only allowing one UI in Haiku?[04:23:46] <Elench> Specifically, is there any way to switch to a tiling mode, or use a tiling WM[04:24:47] *** Megaf has joined #haiku[04:25:45] <mmadia> there is a work-in-progress feature called "Stack and Tile" ... there's a few videos on youtube that show case it.[04:26:18] <Elench> Oh, a related question, how mouse centric is the UI?[04:26:48] * Elench searches youtube[04:27:29] *** kurain has joined #haiku[04:28:15] *** Elench has quit IRC[04:28:37] *** Elench has joined #haiku[04:42:48] *** ari-free has joined #haiku[04:42:55] *** mmadia has quit IRC[04:43:35] *** Elench has quit IRC[04:43:52] *** Elench has joined #haiku[04:44:08] <Sir_Konrad> Elench: you ok?[04:44:31] <Elench> Sir_Konrad: more or less, why do you ask?[04:44:48] <Sir_Konrad> Elench: looks like you're having connection issues.[04:44:49] <Elench> The connect spam is due to rubbish wifi, sorry about that[04:44:58] <Sir_Konrad> oh ok. ;)[04:45:24] <kurain> hello xeon3d , dru345[04:45:28] <kurain> hello all[04:45:40] <Elench> Hello[04:46:28] <kurain> Xeon3D, what is the meaning of "fuzzy" in translation window?[04:46:42] *** xray7224 has quit IRC[04:50:18] *** Zetetic has joined #haiku[04:50:25] *** Elench has quit IRC[04:50:36] *** Zetetic is now known as Elench[04:53:43] *** __name__ has quit IRC[04:53:59] *** ragcsi- has joined #haiku[04:54:04] <kurain> gluon?[04:54:15] <kurain> can you tell me about that[04:55:17] <kurain> it seems that I have abandoned the user of it . and I want to know the real use of it![04:56:17] *** Elench has left #haiku[04:57:15] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[04:58:07] *** ragcsi has quit IRC[05:01:53] *** Elench has joined #haiku[05:02:47] <l_n> wb[05:05:16] <Elench> me? ty[05:05:38] *** Sir_Konrad has quit IRC[05:06:34] <l_n> Elench: here's some reference material for you: http://www.haiku-os.org/documents/[05:06:48] <l_n> some of it is related to development, some of it to use[05:07:30] *** Zetetic has joined #haiku[05:07:55] *** Elench has quit IRC[05:09:24] *** Zetetic is now known as Elench[05:10:11] <l_n> Elench: here's some reference material for you: http://www.haiku-os.org/documents/ (in case you missed it)[05:10:25] <Elench> I was looking at that, thanks[05:10:35] <Elench> Erm, i /am/ looking at that[05:11:32] <Elench> I've yet to find what i'm looking for, but hope springs eternal :@)[05:14:12] <l_n> what are you searching for?[05:14:26] <Elench> The reasoning behind the interface of haiku[05:14:42] <Elench> And a way of using a tiling interface(though i've given up on that part now)[05:15:34] <cpr420> Elench: http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~lutteroth/videos/stack-and-tile.html[05:15:50] <Elench> I've seen stack and tile, but thanks[05:16:22] <cpr420> That's the only tiling that's being worked on[05:16:30] <Elench> Hence the given up comment :-)[05:17:44] <l_n> http://www.haiku-os.org/community/forum/the_theory_behind_the_gui[05:17:52] * l_n hugs google[05:18:16] <Elench> I've mostly been trawling google for hints of tiling :-þ[05:19:17] <l_n> interesting use of a 'thorn' character :)[05:19:58] <Elench> That doesn't tell me anything about the theory behind Haiku's GUI[05:20:21] <Elench> The other thorn ‘Þ‘ also works for that smiley[05:21:14] <cpr420> you might be better off searching for the BeOS gui since it's inherited[05:21:38] <l_n> cpr420: that /was/ searching for 'beos UI design theory'[05:24:54] <Elench> Well, thanks for all your help[05:25:01] * Elench goes off in search of an operating system[05:25:03] *** Elench has left #haiku[05:27:55] <l_n> i don't think he was even close to being convinced to just *try* haiku.[05:28:06] <l_n> too hung up on the ideas of tiling wm's[05:28:28] <l_n> which are *not* user friendly and require effort to learn to use effectively.[05:33:51] <saivert> there are several tiling window managers out there. at least according to http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Comparison_of_Tiling_Window_Managers[05:34:11] <saivert> I have personally never tried one.[05:34:48] <saivert> I can see there can be a problem with floating windows sometimes where you end up spending more time managing the windows than actually using the applications the windows represent.[05:35:40] <l_n> i think workspaces/virtual desktops + well thought-out window decorations elegantly solves that problem.[05:35:43] <saivert> but currently I just keep most of the windows maximized on the screen as I only use one application at a time. I switch between apps but I don't ever need to see multiple app windows at the same time. My brain just can't process that.[05:36:12] <l_n> yeah.. i focus on one thing at a time and ctrl-tab through stuff on the same workspace as necessary.[05:36:25] <l_n> i also group applications on workspaces by type/subject[05:36:53] <l_n> (i.e. i currently have vision on w1, bepdf and paladin on w2, web+ on w3)[05:36:59] <saivert> heh. I haven't gotten into workspaces yet. that means I have to spend time arranging the workspaces and make sure the right apps are in the right workspace.[05:37:13] <l_n> the pdf open is "learning to program with haiku lesson xx"[05:37:16] <saivert> some workspace managers let you lock an application to a specific workspace which saves some of the work though[05:37:52] <l_n> the alt-fN shortcut is nice.. and alt-shift-fN to move the currently focused app to wN is also useful.[05:38:30] <l_n> right now i only have 4 workspaces, but i may add more if needed.[05:44:56] <Duggan> l_n how are those lessons going for you?[05:48:56] <l_n> good.. i'm on 16[05:49:09] <l_n> still trying to shift my brain from c to c++[05:49:36] <l_n> lisp has been pushed to the darkest corner of my brain.. but it will resurface at some point :þ[05:50:10] <cpr420> hopefully as a better lisp (aka scheme) ;)[05:50:43] <l_n> cpr420: nope. common lisp in all of it's (bloated?) glory[05:50:59] <Duggan> l_n lol[05:51:11] <DraX_> mmm scheme[05:51:13] <l_n> i have yet to finsih "practical common lisp".. it's on my list of books to finish[05:51:13] <Duggan> l_n if you need any help, I'll do what I can, just ask[05:51:15] <DraX_> newlisp is kind of nice actually[05:51:31] <DraX_> i'm a bit unimpressed with clojure[05:51:42] <l_n> i actually bought the dead tree edition of PCL.[05:51:56] <DraX_> i'll probably never get to write in a dynamic language again anyway :([05:52:08] <l_n> DraX_: why not?[05:52:15] <DraX_> l_n: work doesn't like them[05:52:36] <cpr420> I thought Go had duck typing?[05:52:39] <DraX_> two are supported but are to be avoided[05:52:42] <DraX_> go is type-inferred[05:52:52] <DraX_> with structural typing for objects[05:52:53] <l_n> oh, a quote from a UI design essay (about what is the Right Way to design UI):[05:52:55] <DraX_> (i think that's what ocaml called it)[05:52:57] <l_n> It's too late for Linux. It's poisoned, full of garbage apps, and the native population are almost entirely programmers without any taste or design sense, so they won't appreciate it if you do write good apps[05:53:18] <l_n> ^^^that made me laugh.[05:53:31] <l_n> (and sad because it's true.)[05:53:43] <DraX_> i contest the definition of good apps on that :P[05:54:43] <l_n> he's speaking from a purely UI-based viewpoint[05:55:12] *** matthias9 has quit IRC[05:55:19] <l_n> functional and usable are two different states for a program to be in :P[05:55:37] <l_n> http://kuoi.com/~kamikaze/read.php?id=165 <-- full article[05:55:56] <l_n> it was written in '07[05:56:54] *** matthias9 has joined #haiku[05:57:41] *** havokmalo has joined #haiku[05:59:26] <Duggan> l_n yes its absolutely true :/[05:59:59] <DraX_> i want a lisp machine :([06:01:38] <havokmalo> Program one in Verilog and target an FPGA?[06:02:52] * l_n wants a *real* lispm from symbolics[06:03:05] <l_n> i think they're harder to find than BeBoxen[06:03:44] <DraX_> yeah[06:04:13] <DraX_> i want a space-cadet keyboard :)[06:08:38] <DraX_> actually, i want a machine that runs Synthesis :P[06:09:12] *** kitallis has quit IRC[06:09:58] <DraX_> i don't even know if the source for it is available[06:10:08] <havokmalo> What's synthesis?[06:10:55] <DraX_> it was a kernel implemented for a phd dissertation that dynamically rewrote itself[06:10:58] <DraX_> for optimization[06:11:14] <DraX_> like a JIT'd kernel[06:12:08] <DraX_> sadly the author now works for a patent troll[06:15:21] <DraX_> it's also lock-free which is kind of neat[06:16:48] <l_n> all of this UI stuff i'm reading is interesting.[06:17:47] <l_n> except the reference to haiku remaining in Beta for a long time due to suffering from NIH (since i don't know what "NIH" is and know that haiku devel is moving much more quickly since r1a1 was released)[06:17:59] <havokmalo> Drax, is the paper available?[06:18:03] <DraX_> havokmalo: yeah[06:18:08] <havokmalo> Got a link?[06:18:09] <DraX_> http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~library/TR-repository/reports/reports-1992/cucs-039-92.ps.gz[06:18:19] <DraX_> l_n: not invented here syndrome[06:18:30] <l_n> DraX_: danke[06:18:32] <DraX_> l_n: it's bsaically where you reinvent the wheel for everything[06:18:33] <DraX_> bitte[06:18:53] <DraX_> and haiku does indeed suffer from NIH[06:18:55] <l_n> which was necessary in haiku's case because of the (sad) history of BeOS[06:19:04] <DraX_> well, it could reuse *nix libraries[06:19:06] <DraX_> for example[06:19:09] <DraX_> and sometimes it does, but not always[06:19:30] <l_n> but just reusing *nix would bring along all of the current issues with those platforms...[06:20:21] <l_n> (which, as i understand it, was one of the major contributing factors to the decision to reimplement everything based on the documented BeOS API's)[06:22:13] <jmayfield__> because beos had no issues to bring along with it[06:22:40] <jmayfield__> beos even wiped your ass[06:23:50] *** kcj1993 has joined #haiku[06:29:02] *** dru345-haiku has joined #haiku[06:33:34] <DraX_> havokmalo: that's the sort of thing that's foolishly tempted me to consider grad school in the past[06:33:57] <DraX_> Self is another one of those things[06:34:07] <DraX_> though not that much i've seen recently has been that tempting[06:34:09] <DraX_> maybe AmbiantTalk[06:34:39] <havokmalo> I'd love to go to grad school.[06:34:48] <DraX_> i'd not.[06:35:10] <havokmalo> Oh I had a 2.76 by the time I graduated. No way could I go.[06:35:24] <DraX_> i have no idea what my gpa was[06:35:29] <DraX_> i hope to keep it that way[06:35:42] <DraX_> it was probably pretty bad[06:35:58] <havokmalo> I really want to go, but I can't pay for it myself.[06:36:24] <l_n> sounds like me and comm. coll. :([06:36:30] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[06:36:56] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[06:37:02] <l_n> due to my prev. employer, i "unofficially withdrew" from classes, my gpa fell below the 2.0 cutoff for financial aid and i couldn't go back.[06:38:18] *** Dj_Dexter has quit IRC[06:38:49] <DraX_> granted i have a highly useful cultural anthropology degree :P[06:39:59] <jmayfield__> i never even bothered with graduating high school[06:40:06] <jmayfield__> never stopped me[06:40:58] <jmayfield__> 2nd semester gpa of my 12th grade year was .45 or something[06:41:33] <DraX_> that's actually hard to do[06:42:10] <jmayfield__> i pretty much quit school after 9th grade[06:42:30] <jmayfield__> never stopped learning, just gave up on the rigamarole of schoolin'[06:42:41] <havokmalo> I have one in electrical engineering.[06:42:51] <havokmalo> I'm currently JOBLESS, and have been for over a month.[06:43:12] <jmayfield__> clements quote of 'dont let yer schoolin get in the way of yer learnin' is great.. i certainly took it to heart[06:43:32] <havokmalo> If someone has a hot tip on an engineering position, I'd go anywhere in the US[06:43:38] <havokmalo> (and many places overseas)[06:44:01] <Duggan> <-BS in CS too busy writing code to find a job :/[06:44:27] <jmayfield__> i never graduated anything, yet have had quite a career in software[06:44:30] <jmayfield__> heh[06:45:05] *** cpr420 has quit IRC[06:45:07] <DraX_> i have an anthropology degree and have only worked as a software engineer :)[06:45:19] <jmayfield__> while all my friends were building debt at college/uni, i was roaming europe working (teahcing english) and getting loaded[06:47:38] <jmayfield__> i totally lucked out though.. went from graveyard shift shelve stocker at a grocery store to lead dev/architect at a software company.. one hell of a first coding job[06:47:50] <jmayfield__> i am well aware of how lucky i have been.. hehe[06:58:18] *** lorglas has joined #haiku[07:03:23] *** bbjimmy has joined #haiku[07:03:49] <l_n> wow.. the images of the hobbit-based beos show just how far the ui design has come...[07:04:40] <dru345> images?[07:06:41] *** Dane__ has quit IRC[07:07:30] <lorglas> hi[07:09:04] <dru345> hi lorglas[07:10:34] *** l_n has quit IRC[07:17:51] *** JoeyA has quit IRC[07:26:29] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[07:26:32] *** humdinger has quit IRC[07:29:17] *** srbaker has joined #haiku[07:32:40] *** MadEchidna has joined #haiku[07:37:14] *** VinDuv has joined #haiku[07:44:00] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[07:46:47] *** Toekutr has joined #haiku[07:53:49] *** CK|iPod has joined #haiku[08:09:45] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[08:21:37] *** cpr420 has joined #haiku[08:29:53] *** CK|iPod has quit IRC[08:30:09] *** CK|iPod has joined #haiku[08:32:16] *** Toekutr has quit IRC[08:59:32] *** mrsun has joined #haiku[08:59:40] <mrsun> oo someone porting sphinx to haiku =)[09:00:02] <mrsun> with a neat media addon/whatever addon so its transparent to the user that could be quite neet =)[09:00:04] <mrsun> neat[09:09:55] <jmayfield__> sphinx the doc stuff?[09:10:22] <mrsun> voice regocgnition[09:10:48] <mrsun> http://cmusphinx.sourceforge.net/[09:15:51] <dru345-haiku> cool[09:16:37] <jmayfield__> ah... because a media addon for a documentation system seemed a little weird[09:16:47] <jmayfield__> hehe[09:34:59] <dru345> :)[09:37:57] *** ali3n0 has joined #haiku[09:38:07] <ali3n0> hi folks[09:40:18] <dru345> hi[09:41:05] <ali3n0> ha, I knew at least someone here was asleep[09:42:02] <OmniMancer> :/[09:42:08] <ali3n0> I want vim colored... today I know is the good one[09:42:25] <dru345> hi OmniMancer - what's new?[09:42:42] <OmniMancer> you should instead not use vim[09:42:52] <ali3n0> OmniMancer, what do you suggest instead?[09:43:08] <OmniMancer> :P[09:43:27] <ali3n0> what's wrong with vim ? :-P[09:43:55] <jmayfield__> no drop shadows[09:44:42] <jmayfield__> hehe[09:44:57] <jmayfield__> i use herald as my vim colorscheme[09:45:15] <ali3n0> jmayfield__, so you get colors on haiku's vim![09:46:09] <jmayfield__> never tried[09:46:36] <jmayfield__> havent tried haiku is at least a year[09:47:29] <Auronandace> a year?[09:47:40] <jmayfield__> probably closer to 2 years[09:47:41] <jmayfield__> heh[09:47:41] <Auronandace> you weren't tempted by the alpha 2?[09:48:00] <jmayfield__> i havent been tempted since beos r5, to be honest[09:48:44] *** kcj1993 has joined #haiku[09:51:07] <dru345> try it[09:51:26] <dru345> it's much better than a year or two ago[09:51:28] <jmayfield__> i did.. it was ten years ago[09:51:50] <dru345> i mean trying haiku :/[09:51:57] <jmayfield__> i am waiting for it to be interesting[09:52:05] <jmayfield__> like beos[09:52:30] <kcj1993> but it is interesting[09:52:51] * kcj1993 has only run R1[09:53:02] <jmayfield__> sure, as an intellectual exercise in recreating an old os[09:53:11] <jmayfield__> its neat in that regard...[09:53:29] <Auronandace> trying dev releases regularly gives you a feel of how quickly its reaching its target[09:53:59] <jmayfield__> i suppose.. i just feel like the 'target' was already met.. with r5[09:54:03] <Auronandace> i usually try every few 100 commits[09:54:46] <jmayfield__> i was interested in beos because it was new and different.. cant say the same for haiku[09:54:46] <Auronandace> you could be pleasantly suprised, especially with webpositive[09:55:04] <jmayfield__> meh[09:55:48] <kcj1993> Auronandace: what's webpositive?[09:55:58] <Auronandace> the haiku browser[09:56:08] <Auronandace> its based on webkit[09:56:12] <kcj1993> hmm[09:56:34] <Auronandace> get it via installoptionalpackage webpositve[09:57:01] <Auronandace> make sure you have the space though[09:57:24] <kcj1993> I don't have haiku atm[09:57:39] <jmayfield__> somehow, a less mature version of an otherwise decent browser doesnt seem very beosy, or interestin[09:58:08] <jmayfield__> or much of a draw for an os[10:01:07] <kcj1993> ...[10:01:45] <jmayfield__> i think i am just too old to give a shit[10:02:26] <kcj1993> so why are you here then?[10:03:09] <jmayfield__> because some of the people from back in beos days are here.. habit[10:03:09] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[10:03:18] <saivert> either you are interested in Haiku and want to use it as your os, OR YOU ARE NOT[10:03:20] <saivert> how about that[10:03:31] <kcj1993> true[10:06:32] <kcj1993> Auronandace: "installoptionalpackage" <- that is a ridiculously long command[10:08:22] <Xeon3D> hi o/[10:08:25] *** Ingenu has joined #haiku[10:09:05] <kcj1993> hello[10:10:44] <PulkoMandy> kcj1993: this command is not meant to stay, it's a temporary workaround for the lack of package manager[10:10:56] <kcj1993> ah[10:11:00] <PulkoMandy> unfortunately it's staying around for way too long time[10:11:06] <kcj1993> oh[10:11:12] <voidref> tab completion is your friend =D[10:11:17] <kcj1993> lol[10:12:30] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[10:12:51] *** marc_smith has joined #haiku[10:16:03] <OmniMancer> kcj1993: obviously you aren't a lisp programmer[10:16:11] <OmniMancer> destructuring-bind :P[10:16:57] <kcj1993> OmniMancer: I'm almost a C++ programmer[10:21:04] *** dru345-haiku has quit IRC[10:28:11] *** dru345a has joined #haiku[10:28:22] *** dru345 has quit IRC[10:29:16] *** brobostigon has joined #haiku[10:29:54] <brobostigon> morning all.[10:30:16] <dru345a> hi brobostigon[10:30:39] <Lelldorin1> morning[10:31:01] <brobostigon> morning dru345a and Lelldorin1[10:32:36] *** kcj1993 has quit IRC[10:45:31] <Xeon3D> yo brobostigon[10:45:49] <brobostigon> morning Xeon3D[10:45:58] <Xeon3D> g'morning :)[10:46:04] <brobostigon> :)[10:46:17] *** CK|iPod has quit IRC[10:46:36] *** CK|iPod has joined #haiku[11:00:56] *** kitallis has joined #haiku[11:02:05] *** 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<CK|iPod> Again, we need a greeting bot in here[12:01:23] <CK|iPod> =P[12:01:52] <NeonLicht> We have dru345, CK|iPod.[12:02:10] <CK|iPod> haha[12:02:14] <dru345> heh hi NeonLicht, CK|iPod[12:02:26] <NeonLicht> o/[12:02:28] <NeonLicht> :)[12:04:34] <StreaK|ON> dru345, nuttin' .. just yesterday i recompiled few apps in QT to haiku..[12:06:05] *** Barrett has quit IRC[12:09:00] <gluon> kurain: hello[12:09:02] *** dru345-haiku has joined #haiku[12:09:03] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[12:10:04] <gluon> kurain: Fuzzy in the translation tool means that the original text in english has changed therefore requiring the translation to be updated[12:11:31] <gluon> If you translate a section today and tomorrow the documentation author changes that same section your translation becomes fuzzy and it's time for you to review and update according to the new text[12:18:16] <kurain> oh,I got you[12:18:24] <kurain> thanks[12:19:42] <kurain> but why I can also make the "fuzzy" block?[12:20:23] <kurain> I am not a author yet[12:20:41] <kurain> gluon? there[12:20:58] *** HaikUbuntu has joined #haiku[12:22:43] <gluon> because you can notice the documentation has changed[12:22:53] <gluon> but don't want to translate yourself[12:22:59] <gluon> so you mark it fuzzy[12:23:12] <gluon> so that someone else in the translation team notices it :)[12:23:16] <gluon> or[12:23:31] <gluon> because you think your translation is incomplete or incorrect[12:24:50] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[12:29:20] *** ali3n0 has quit IRC[12:30:33] <StreaK|ON> need to go , cu[12:30:36] *** StreaK|ON has quit IRC[12:33:34] *** kurain has quit IRC[12:35:44] *** |PulkoMandy| has joined #haiku[12:35:44] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[12:37:55] *** dru345-haiku has quit IRC[12:40:05] *** HaikUbuntu has quit IRC[12:44:59] *** HaikUbuntu has joined #haiku[12:48:15] *** Ola__ has joined #haiku[12:50:35] *** sprma has joined #haiku[12:54:40] *** mrsun has quit IRC[12:58:52] *** mrsun has joined #haiku[13:04:28] *** kurain has joined #haiku[13:05:30] *** dru345-haiku has joined #haiku[13:12:50] *** kurain1 has joined #haiku[13:12:50] *** kurain has quit IRC[13:13:28] *** kurain1 has quit IRC[13:16:14] *** impy_ has quit IRC[13:18:47] *** Xbertl has joined #haiku[13:19:17] *** dru345-haiku has quit IRC[13:19:40] *** dru345-haiku has joined #haiku[13:23:32] *** Shisui has joined #haiku[13:26:06] <mmu_screen> plop[13:26:09] <mmu_screen> Shisui:[13:26:33] <Shisui> Hi mmu_screen :)[13:38:25] *** pgr has joined #haiku[13:38:46] <mmu_screen> Shisui: do you have the sources around of Services Kit ?[13:39:01] <Xeon3D> yo[13:39:20] <mmu_screen> I've got a client for you[13:40:03] <Shisui> mmu_screen: sure, I'm working on integrating the Services Kit network layer within the Haiku webkit port ATM[13:40:09] <Shisui> do you want a tarball ?[13:41:04] <Shisui> I was planning to make a blog post today.[13:43:03] <mmu_screen> just checking, I started a Free fax printing transport[13:43:56] *** AlexFera has joined #haiku[13:43:57] <mmu_screen> if it's not too big[13:44:20] <Shisui> a Free fax printing transport ?[13:51:03] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[13:53:02] <mmu_screen> like http://www.clubic.com/telecharger-fiche37218-qfreefax.html[13:53:53] *** raichoo has joined #haiku[13:54:03] *** |PulkoMandy| has quit IRC[13:54:38] <mrsun> compiling newest ldc + llvm-2.7 and now compiling tango for that =)[13:54:45] <mrsun> soon new updated ldc-tango package maybe =)[13:55:12] *** simulacrum has joined #haiku[13:55:12] *** simulacrum has joined #haiku[13:55:20] *** odites has joined #haiku[13:56:58] *** kcj1993 has joined #haiku[13:57:30] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[13:57:42] *** HaikuUser has left #haiku[13:59:00] *** x-pilot has joined #haiku[13:59:08] *** raichoo has quit IRC[14:11:14] *** HaikUbuntu has quit IRC[14:11:58] *** kcj1993 has quit IRC[14:19:34] <mmu_screen> Shisui: it's a service of the "Free" ISP[14:19:50] <mmu_screen> you can fax PDF files from an online form[14:20:02] <Shisui> oh, i didn't see your last message.[14:20:08] <Shisui> yes yes, I understand[14:20:46] <Shisui> I believe you have to fill a form and attach a PDF file ?[14:21:13] <Shisui> if it's HTTP only Services Kit should do the job in it's current state :)[14:22:32] <mmu_screen> yes[14:22:49] <mmu_screen> actually fill a first form wih the login[14:22:54] <mmu_screen> then a multipart IIRC[14:23:04] <mmu_screen> it used to have a captcha, but I think it's gone no[14:23:05] <mmu_screen> wnow[14:23:07] <mmu_screen> now[14:24:40] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[14:24:47] <mmu_screen> plop[14:25:53] <Shisui> mmu_screen, I hope even non-google users are able to download files on google docs ?[14:30:02] <mmu_screen> dunno[14:30:42] <Shisui> try it, I sent you a notice with the download link[14:37:08] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_screen[14:37:52] <mmu_screen> notice ?[14:38:49] <mmu_screen> ah got it[14:38:54] <mmu_screen> didn't notice in the server messages[14:39:09] <Shisui> private irc messages, they should appear in the server messages window with irssi[14:39:15] <Shisui> ok :)[14:39:33] <mmu_screen> had to log in[14:39:43] <mmu_screen> hmm not available ?[14:40:00] <mmu_screen> Sorry, the page (or document) you have requested is not available[14:41:27] <Shisui> strange, retry ?[14:41:40] <PulkoMandy> google doc is evil :)[14:41:41] <mmu_screen> ah[14:43:41] <Shisui> PulkoMandy, if you have any other non-evil document sharing website, feel free to give me the url :p[14:44:46] <mmadia> new donations analysis for July : http://www.haiku-inc.org , http://www.haiku-inc.org/donations-analysis.php[14:47:08] <dru345> is that Goal for the fiscal/calendar year or ?[14:47:52] <mmadia> yeah, it's an amount that would represent a good year in donations.[14:47:59] <dru345> ok[14:48:04] <Anarchos> how to convert hexa to dec in DeskCalc ?[14:48:05] *** Hubert_ has joined #haiku[14:48:06] *** raichoo has joined #haiku[14:48:10] <Hubert_> hey[14:48:40] <dru345> hi Hubert_[14:49:20] <Hubert_> hi dru345[14:50:16] <mmadia> for the rest of the year, i'm estimating another $1500 through automatic recurring monthly donations and $3500 from Google sometime in the late fall (though, to split hairs that isn't a donation)[14:52:18] <Duggan> haha one time donations multiplied a good 80x in one month[14:52:19] <dru345> July was a good month and recurring donations seem generally stable.[14:52:34] <dru345> probably all for axel :P[14:54:11] *** odites has quit IRC[14:56:47] <Shisui> mmadia, is there any reason to keep the donations in their respectives currencies in the analysis ?[14:57:26] <mmadia> yes, because in PayPal we actually keep EUR as EUR.[14:58:00] <mmadia> and it'd go towards expenses, like RMLL costs and other conferences.[14:58:27] <Shisui> you keep paypal donation on the paypal account, ok :)[14:58:46] <mmadia> hrm?[15:00:19] <Shisui> I was wondering why keeping currencies since bank accounts are generally for a single currency, but if you keep paypal donations on the paypal account, it makes sense.[15:00:31] * mmadia nods[15:08:37] *** sprma has quit IRC[15:08:44] <mmadia> on a random note, Ryan & I made a script for parsing the CSV files ... so most of the analysis is done automatically :)[15:16:31] <mrsun> mmadia, you were to fast for me =)[15:16:34] <mrsun> i was just editing the ticket =)[15:16:49] <mrsun> forgot the damn formatting =)[15:18:34] * mmadia pets the preview button[15:18:46] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[15:24:52] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[15:26:13] *** RAW has joined #haiku[15:29:05] *** Johan__ has joined #haiku[15:29:36] *** Johan__ has quit IRC[15:30:07] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[15:32:37] *** lorenzo has quit IRC[15:34:07] *** jmayfield_ has joined #haiku[15:34:49] *** kurain has joined #haiku[15:35:40] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[15:37:27] *** jmayfield__ has quit IRC[15:38:50] <Hubert_> Shisui: Are you spam....?[15:40:02] *** RAW is now known as impy_[15:41:02] *** Hubert_ has quit IRC[15:41:46] <Shisui> erm ...[15:42:35] *** dru345-haiku has quit IRC[15:45:59] *** lorenzo has joined #haiku[15:53:44] *** dru345 has quit IRC[15:56:40] <Auronandace> how long has the haiku-inc website been around? i've never noticed it before[15:56:56] <humdinger> It's brand spanking new, Auronandace[15:57:08] <Auronandace> awesome[15:57:29] <Auronandace> it's very well set out[15:57:38] <Auronandace> i like the trademarks page[15:57:43] <humdinger> mmadia has done a good job.[16:00:43] <mmadia> SuperFAN!!~1![16:07:18] <Anarchos> does haiku sockets support PF_UNIX ?[16:08:24] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[16:08:34] *** l_n has joined #haiku[16:09:00] <mmu_screen> Anarchos: yes[16:09:11] <Anarchos> mmu_screen ok[16:09:12] <mmu_screen> though it's not much teted[16:09:14] <mmu_screen> tested[16:09:21] <Anarchos> mmu_screen i will remove those #ifdef :)[16:10:34] <l_n> gut morgen[16:10:38] <mmu_screen> where ?[16:11:49] <humdinger> mahlzeit[16:14:57] <l_n> mahlzeit?[16:16:08] <humdinger> after guten morgen :)[16:16:22] <humdinger> "meal time"[16:17:09] <l_n> yeah.. i found the meaning, but didn't understand it as a reply[16:17:11] <mmadia> is there a word for bierzeit? :)[16:18:26] <humdinger> kinda. that's "Feierabend" which is after work. "party evening"[16:19:19] <l_n> oddly enough, i am getting ready to eat some porridge made from steel cut oats :)[16:20:42] <humdinger> I'm having a hot tea at 30°C...[16:22:45] <l_n> kaffee für mich[16:26:51] <humdinger> If you disable "Escaping" from TextSearch, shouldn't you be able to use regular expressions like with grep?[16:27:33] *** sprma has joined #haiku[16:28:43] <l_n> kaffee für mich[16:28:47] <l_n> erm[16:28:50] <l_n> stupid arrow keys[16:28:54] <l_n> try it and report back[16:33:06] <mmu_screen> http://revolf.free.fr/beos/shot_xemacs_haiku_first_run_001.png[16:33:19] <mmu_screen> oddly it still have the issue I fixed with ZETA[16:34:30] *** raichoo has quit IRC[16:36:04] <humdinger> Hmm... regex with TextSearch appears to be working on r37184 on this netbook but not on r37437 on my notebook...[16:36:09] <humdinger> Have to retest there...[16:36:48] <humdinger> Can anyone try with an up-to-date Haiku? just look for Tr[aeu]cker in the bebook folder, for example.[16:44:23] *** Barrett has quit IRC[16:45:24] <l_n> i would, but i'm 600+ revs behind HEAD[16:46:34] <humdinger> On this netbook I'm too. here it works. the other machine is only 300 revs behind and it doesn't there.[16:46:59] <humdinger> I guess I'll file a bug this evening. If it has been fixed, someone will mark it invalid.[16:54:11] <mmu_screen> bleh[16:56:45] *** raichoo has joined #haiku[16:57:28] *** Geoz has joined #haiku[16:58:33] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[17:01:14] *** humdinger has quit IRC[17:03:31] <l_n> mmu_screen: foo[17:04:16] *** oco2 has joined #haiku[17:05:41] <mmu_screen> we violate the BeBook on http://www.haiku-os.org/legacy-docs/bebook/TheInterfaceKit_MessageConstants.html#B_VIEW_RESIZED[17:07:22] <mmadia> howso?[17:09:15] <mmu_screen> we use floats instead of int32[17:13:00] <mmadia> mmu_screen : "Non-member submission to closed-post list."[17:14:24] <mmu_screen> WTF[17:14:27] <mmu_screen> again ?[17:14:37] <mmadia> yep. i'll add you as protected or something.[17:16:19] <mmu_screen> sure freelists doesn't blacklist free.fr as spam ?[17:16:55] <mmadia> dunno, i set you as PREAPPROVE User's posts are automatically approved when user posts to a moderated list. and PROTECTED User will never be unsubscribed by bouncer.[17:17:39] *** Megaf has quit IRC[17:18:35] <mmu_screen> well if posts bounce I need to know[17:18:49] <mmu_screen> as I didn't approve my ISP to do any spam filtering[17:19:07] <mmu_screen> if they do they are doing wrong[17:19:36] <mmadia> well, that address wasn't on the list of users just before.[17:19:50] <mmu_screen> very odd[17:31:49] *** kurain has quit IRC[17:37:25] *** Megaf has joined #haiku[17:41:12] <l_n> hrm.. lesson 16's project, while demonstrating operator overloading, seems like a lot of typing to avoid having to type *foo.fValue as opposed to foo.fValue[17:41:18] <l_n> :-/[17:42:10] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[17:42:10] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[17:42:44] <l_n> would the floats instead of int32 be considered a bug or an improvement?[17:43:19] <mmu_screen> well it's a bug since the BeBook says int32 :p[17:43:52] <mmu_screen> obviously it might not have been done correctly in the first place since BView coordinates are float but well[17:45:36] *** NightlyUser has joined #haiku[17:47:22] *** Xbertl has joined #haiku[17:48:41] <NightlyUser> its awesome how usable haiku r1a2 is[17:48:53] <Anarchos> NightlyUser yes it is :)[17:49:39] <NightlyUser> to me its only alpha in name only[17:49:53] <NightlyUser> the quality certainly doesnt feel alpha[17:50:45] <l_n> the nightlies are even better.. many more bugfixes, features have been completed, etc.[17:50:48] <mmu_man> hmm I hope this BFS isn't screwed up[17:50:48] <mmu_man> KERN 'python'[621]: hey! the kernel is lying to me! (vnid 0x2539c6 = NULL)[17:51:34] <NightlyUser> i've tried a recent nightly, suprised to see notifications[17:51:57] <NightlyUser> also a new development logo[17:52:17] <NightlyUser> though the network is undergoing some heavy changes[17:52:22] <l_n> yeah.. mmadia added that last week IIRC[17:52:49] <mmadia> i've been tinkering with a HAIKU Compatible logo ... but that's not going as well.[17:52:53] <l_n> and axeld is being paid to fix the networking :D[17:53:08] <NightlyUser> yeah, i noticed[17:53:28] <NightlyUser> fits nicely with the ipv6 work being done too[17:53:40] <l_n> i'm wondering if he's doing the "this could break the stack" changes in a branch or if he's committing them to trunk/[17:53:53] <mmadia> ... to trunk[17:54:20] <NightlyUser> i think he said that in his blog post[17:54:26] <mmadia> NightlyUser : here's the ticket about the compatible logo's if you're curious : http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/6385[17:54:44] <NightlyUser> cool, thanks[17:56:29] <Anarchos> NightlyUser i come from university background, and is astonished to be able to use latex with BeTex :)[17:58:11] <NightlyUser> nice logos, the last one would be more suited as a sticker in my opinion[17:58:46] <mmadia> yeah, stippi's square logo's really don't fit well in the applications.[18:00:22] <Anarchos> what means EINVAL in bind ?[18:00:25] <NightlyUser> sorry Anarchos never used latex in my life so i don't know how remarkable an accomplishment that is[18:01:04] <Anarchos> NightlyUser look at "typography latex" on google. It is the system use to typeset professionnal science books[18:01:37] *** sprma has quit IRC[18:01:47] <NightlyUser> i'm glad it works well for you[18:05:41] *** CK|iPod has quit IRC[18:07:30] <l_n> and, IIRC, Tex has not changed much since the original implementation[18:16:27] <Anarchos> l_n yes it is incredibly fucked up to understand :)[18:16:30] *** LinuxKeitaro has quit IRC[18:20:30] *** adriano-src has joined #haiku[18:25:06] *** simulacrum has quit IRC[18:25:13] *** simulacrum has joined #haiku[18:26:23] <l_n> this is really annoying.[18:27:17] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[18:27:23] <l_n> g++ is telling me that +, -, >, <, <=, >=, !=, and == can only take (zero or|exactly) one argument(s)[18:27:36] * l_n glares at the compiler.[18:29:17] <l_n> oh. my mistake.[18:29:22] * l_n glares at l_n[18:30:27] *** LinuxKeitaro has joined #haiku[18:37:57] *** l_n has quit IRC[18:39:39] *** Trezker has quit IRC[18:41:52] *** Jessica_lily has joined #haiku[18:43:02] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[18:48:59] *** raichoo has quit IRC[18:49:33] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[18:49:49] *** krzaczor93 has joined #haiku[18:52:37] <krzaczor93> Hi![18:53:00] <krzaczor93> Maybe somebody knows how to run Huawei E220 on Haiku Alpha 2?[18:53:11] *** Trezker has joined #haiku[18:55:06] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[18:55:36] *** prizm has joined #haiku[18:56:26] <Auronandace> http://www.haiku-os.org/guides/daily-tasks/wireless[18:56:36] <Auronandace> i can't see it in that list[18:56:37] *** prizm is now known as CommieYoshi|afk[18:56:40] *** CommieYoshi|afk is now known as prizm[18:57:07] <luroh> that's a USB 3g modem, isn't it?[18:57:29] <krzaczor93> yep[18:58:02] <luroh> i've never heard of anyone being able to use those[18:58:17] <krzaczor93> :<[19:00:02] <luroh> ethernet might work, some wifi chipsets sort-of work...3g modems are not even on the roadmap[19:00:17] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[19:00:17] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[19:03:35] *** Cheshire_Cat has joined #haiku[19:03:40] *** Cheshire_Cat has joined #haiku[19:04:09] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[19:04:43] *** Jessica_lily is now known as xray7224[19:04:44] *** xray7224 has joined #haiku[19:05:52] *** Geoz has quit IRC[19:07:03] *** krzaczor93 has quit IRC[19:10:15] *** The123king has joined #haiku[19:10:15] *** The123king has joined #haiku[19:10:44] *** cpr420 has quit IRC[19:11:41] <MadEchidna> mmm Haiku[19:11:50] <MadEchidna> so guys does WPA work yet?[19:12:00] <MadEchidna> I can tether my phone in safety then :3[19:12:05] <humdinger> not yet MadEchidna[19:12:32] <humdinger> Axel is looking into it soon.[19:13:14] <MadEchidna> define soon :P[19:13:20] <MadEchidna> also yay axel[19:13:30] <mmu_screen> WPA2 has been broken anyway[19:13:48] <humdinger> In his last blog he said it's next on his todo list.[19:13:58] <MadEchidna> <mmu_screen> WPA2 has been broken anyway[19:14:02] <MadEchidna> no it hasn't[19:14:12] <MadEchidna> they discussed this on the recent episode of Security Now[19:14:20] <mmu_screen> well, almost :p[19:14:36] <MadEchidna> the recent issue is that if someone else is on the same network ALREADY they can see your packets[19:14:45] <MadEchidna> still don't hurt the security of a secret password in your home[19:15:16] <MadEchidna> although the android wireless tether has a block list so I could just use that without security for the time being[19:15:27] <MadEchidna> I'm not that worried about packet sniffing I can always just use VPN[19:15:38] <MadEchidna> my main reason for using security is I don't feel like sharing the bandwidth[19:15:53] <MadEchidna> I get about 1.5 mb down on the highway with my HTC Hero[19:16:48] *** kmargar has joined #haiku[19:16:59] *** Cheshire_Cat is now known as Geoz[19:17:00] *** markos_ has quit IRC[19:17:47] *** cpr420 has joined #haiku[19:18:15] <MadEchidna> when they make a movie about Haiku, geist will be played by alec baldwin[19:18:23] <MadEchidna> and mmadia will be played by Leonardo Dicaprio[19:18:58] <MadEchidna> oh, and Jean Reno as JLG[19:20:41] <humdinger> you're mad, echidna. More like Michael Cera and Jonah Hill...[19:21:12] <MadEchidna> hahahhaa[19:21:21] <MadEchidna> if you want to go that route[19:21:51] <MadEchidna> even though he's not that active, Phos needs a role[19:22:03] <MadEchidna> maybe that guy who played the Scarecrow in Batman Begins :P[19:23:49] *** acous has joined #haiku[19:24:36] *** mvfranz has joined #haiku[19:29:26] *** raichoo has joined #haiku[19:31:57] *** Qeos|2 has joined #haiku[19:35:11] *** Qeos has quit IRC[19:36:30] <CIA-53> axeld * r37830 /haiku/trunk/src/bin/addattr/main.cpp: * Added "icon" type for adding icons (ie. B_VECTOR_ICON_TYPE).[19:38:07] *** lorenzo has quit IRC[19:51:25] *** mvfranz has quit IRC[19:51:39] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[19:57:28] *** Blub\0 has quit IRC[19:57:32] *** simulacrum has quit IRC[19:59:03] *** simulacrum has joined #haiku[19:59:28] *** prizm has quit IRC[20:02:37] *** humdinger has quit IRC[20:07:39] *** symptom has joined #haiku[20:18:05] *** x-pilot has quit IRC[20:18:05] *** Koshie has joined #haiku[20:18:14] <Koshie> Bonjour / Hello[20:18:31] <stpere> hi Koshie[20:18:47] *** fildon has joined #haiku[20:19:07] <Koshie> I want to test a new OS :)[20:22:26] <Koshie> Haiku work in dual-boot with Ubuntu (so GRUB 2) ?[20:22:41] *** Megaf has quit IRC[20:23:18] *** CyberKitsune has joined #haiku[20:24:21] <mmu_screen> Koshie: yes, just run makebootable after installing[20:24:28] <mmu_screen> then in grub you just chain load it[20:24:49] <mmadia> the instructions in Installer may be for grub v1[20:24:51] <Koshie> Ok :)[20:25:02] <MadEchidna> > CyberKitsune[20:25:10] <Koshie> And this RaLink RT3090 Wireless work ?[20:25:15] <mmu_screen> alternatively you can use the scripts I did for debian/ubuntu: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=590897[20:25:27] <mmu_screen> though you must have the partition mounted in linux[20:25:39] <MadEchidna> hey guys, I need some quick advice for someone who hasn't used Haiku in a few months[20:25:47] <MadEchidna> should i get the alpha 2 or is there a lot of new stuff in the nightlies[20:26:10] <Koshie> Thank for the advice.[20:26:13] <Koshie> Bye[20:26:14] *** Koshie has left #haiku[20:26:50] <MadEchidna> what do you think CyberKitsune[20:27:03] <CyberKitsune> about what[20:27:07] <CyberKitsune> I'm usually here =O[20:27:09] <CyberKitsune> =P*[20:27:10] <MadEchidna> look up >_>[20:27:35] <CyberKitsune> I see the topic[20:27:44] <MadEchidna> <MadEchidna> hey guys, I need some quick advice for someone who hasn't used Haiku in a few months[20:27:45] <MadEchidna> <MadEchidna> should i get the alpha 2 or is there a lot of new stuff in the nightlies[20:27:57] <CyberKitsune> alpha 2 has a lot[20:27:59] <CyberKitsune> but[20:28:10] <CyberKitsune> nightlies have axel's new network addons[20:28:15] <MadEchidna> oooh[20:28:23] <CyberKitsune> MadEchidna, nightlies build at 1PM our time[20:28:25] <MadEchidna> axel you stud you[20:28:31] <CyberKitsune> so hold out till then[20:28:33] *** HeTo is now known as HeTo-_-[20:28:39] <CyberKitsune> then grab the latest one[20:28:40] <mmadia> the nightlies don't follow a rigid schedule.[20:28:46] <CyberKitsune> lol[20:28:56] <CyberKitsune> I thought it was automated[20:29:13] <MadEchidna> if one person knows it's mmadia[20:29:13] <mmadia> yes, but automated != at X hour, upload.[20:29:20] <CyberKitsune> ah[20:29:38] <MadEchidna> mmadia is like knuckles, he guards the master builds[20:30:01] <CyberKitsune> LOL[20:30:04] <MadEchidna> :P[20:30:46] <MadEchidna> also CyberKitsune, Haiku Inc. is in the same city as Kate[20:31:42] <CyberKitsune> :O[20:31:48] <CyberKitsune> That's cool[20:32:15] <MadEchidna> yeah[20:32:23] <MadEchidna> most of my Father's side of the family lived there too[20:32:28] <MadEchidna> i think my Aunt still does[20:32:35] <MadEchidna> it's no Menlo Park but it's a nice enough place[20:37:37] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[20:39:44] <voidref> working in menlo park was really nice[20:40:29] *** MadEchidna has quit IRC[20:41:20] <mmu_screen> plop[20:41:25] <mmu_screen> voidref: 'up ?[20:41:29] <voidref> hey[20:41:37] <voidref> making coffee[20:41:44] <voidref> gotta jam to go to later[20:41:53] <voidref> and you?[20:42:25] <voidref> ok, coffee done, bbiab[20:42:57] <mmadia> voidref : heya. Yak says hi.[20:43:44] <voidref> hey yak! why you never come in here?[20:43:45] <voidref> =)[20:44:08] <voidref> you in .. Georgia (?) with him?[20:44:27] <mmadia> no, he's out of the house ATM.[20:44:38] <voidref> kk[20:44:41] <mmadia> he even moved to So. Carolina iirc[20:44:46] *** Megaf has joined #haiku[20:45:18] *** HeTo-_- is now known as HeTo[20:45:29] <voidref> yes, I see that he is near hwy 85 right now =)[20:45:41] <voidref> forgot that I had put that tracker on him[20:45:46] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[20:46:36] <mmadia> heh[20:49:30] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[20:49:48] <voidref> did yak lose a golf ball?[20:59:16] *** Megaf has quit IRC[21:00:13] *** l_n has joined #haiku[21:00:13] *** l_n has joined #haiku[21:01:58] <l_n> this is odd. i can double click the title bar of the paladin project window to hide it, hover the mouse over where it used to be, and still get the tooltip popup. and, the tooltips show up on different workspaces as well.[21:02:16] <l_n> i assume it's a Paladin bug and not a haiku bug..[21:07:49] *** AlexFera has quit IRC[21:08:26] *** Sir_Konrad has joined #haiku[21:11:12] *** DaaT has joined #haiku[21:11:28] <DaaT> howdy[21:11:40] <DaaT> mmmmmm... does the "seen" command work here? Can't recall[21:11:43] *** Megaf has joined #haiku[21:12:36] <DaaT> whoa.. voidref![21:13:00] <mmadia> thanks for the article, DaaT :)[21:13:14] *** LinuxKeitaro has quit IRC[21:13:14] <DaaT> mmadia, my pleasure :)[21:13:32] <DaaT> sorry it was only today[21:13:36] <mmadia> when you visited, was the meter updated for july?[21:14:00] <DaaT> the last update date was Aug 1[21:14:20] <DaaT> yep, correct[21:14:24] <mmadia> yep. $9,604 in 7months.[21:14:30] <DaaT> (just rechecked)[21:14:33] <DaaT> nice[21:14:40] <DaaT> 10 more Eur from me :P[21:14:41] <voidref> heya DaaT![21:14:47] <DaaT> (I'll donate some more in a few weeks)[21:14:51] <DaaT> Alan! How goes?[21:15:00] <voidref> not bad, and you Daniel?[21:15:01] <l_n> grr..[21:15:18] <DaaT> doing good thanks. Now based in the UK[21:15:19] * l_n contemplates rm -rf Fixed/[21:15:29] <voidref> well then, what's going on theref or you?[21:16:01] <DaaT> well, job hunting atm :)[21:16:17] <DaaT> (got here about 3 weeks ago)[21:16:19] <voidref> ok then, how did you end up there?[21:16:51] <DaaT> gf's been here since february (she got a job here back then, that's why we decided a move was a good choice)[21:17:35] <DaaT> mmadia, how did you guys come up with the 15k goal? just a random figure or a specific reason? (just curious)[21:17:58] <DaaT> what about you voidref, what have you been up to? How's Lisa?[21:18:05] <DaaT> and when are you coming to BG again? ;)[21:18:11] <mmadia> semi-random. Urias and I pegged that as a good year -- between donations, gsoc, & cafepress[21:18:25] <DaaT> mmadia, ok :)[21:18:26] <voidref> i have been working for Nokia, haha, probably not going to show up at BG unless it's near where I live =)[21:18:55] <DaaT> voidref, Nokia? Cool. And me with a recently purchased android phone... sorry... :)[21:19:04] <DaaT> voidref, still in the US right?[21:19:22] <DaaT> mmadia, speaking of cafepress, that mug's looking quite good (as is the magnet) :)[21:19:40] <voidref> yeah, well, I have an iPhone 4 .. that's how great I think Nokia's phones are...[21:20:09] <DaaT> :D[21:20:26] <cpr420> lol, Gotta have more LEDERHOSEN!![21:20:31] <mmadia> nice! :) I've been drafting a blog post about asking people to research about companies that could sell Haiku Swag[21:20:34] <voidref> nayway, gotta pack up, have a jam to get to. cu all later![21:20:41] *** voidref has quit IRC[21:20:49] <DaaT> i like them, have been with nokia for... mmmmmm... 12 or 13 years now... but I feel they've dropped the ball a bit, hence the move to android[21:20:55] <DaaT> c ya voidref, take care[21:21:01] *** CyberKitsune has quit IRC[21:21:04] <DaaT> cpr420 ;)[21:21:15] *** CyberKitsune has joined #haiku[21:21:25] <DaaT> mmadia, not happy with cafepress or just want to spread the love?[21:22:01] <mmadia> spread it around baby![21:22:21] <DaaT> :)[21:22:33] <l_n> yeah.. i finally get them to change the large mug, and i have to wait to get one... :([21:22:44] <mmadia> CafePress is decent for the US, UK, and a few other countries ... but the import taxes to europe is insanely expensive.[21:23:00] <Anarchos> mmadia UK is not in europe ? ;)[21:23:09] <DaaT> Anarchos :)[21:23:21] * DaaT is still in Europe[21:23:30] <mmadia> y'know what i mean :P[21:23:42] <l_n> continental europe, no?[21:23:59] <mmadia> yes.[21:24:02] <DaaT> mmadia, another shop which is better for the EU and which gives Haiku a larger percentage... go for it!! :)[21:30:11] <PulkoMandy> I sent some links in the rmll t-shirts thread, one of them was an online store dedicated to open source software[21:30:22] <PulkoMandy> did you check that or should I find the link again ?[21:30:57] <mmadia> freeware.org or something?[21:33:24] <PulkoMandy> yes[21:33:26] <PulkoMandy> freewear[21:34:18] <mmadia> and some on debian's page may allow customers to pay a higher price, which becomes a donation.[21:39:57] <DaaT> that would be nice[21:46:35] <DaaT> bbiab[21:49:53] * l_n d/l's a chromimumOS build just to put on a USB stick and play around with.[21:49:58] <l_n> chromium*[21:50:44] <l_n> now i just have to remember where i put my usb stick[21:50:46] *** marc_smith has joined #haiku[21:56:22] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[22:03:54] *** DraX_ is now known as DraX[22:04:02] *** DraX has joined #haiku[22:06:39] <stpere> l_n: if you looked everywhere, there is only one place you can't easily see[22:07:08] <stpere> if you remove every impossible hypothesis but one, however improbable, is the truth[22:07:24] <stpere> or something like that[22:09:50] *** MadEchidna has joined #haiku[22:10:13] *** havokmalo has quit IRC[22:13:34] *** Malmis has quit IRC[22:14:46] *** DaaT has quit IRC[22:17:35] <l_n> meh[22:18:25] <marc_smith> stpere: now that sounds like methodological literature stuff ;)[22:18:39] <marc_smith> Karl Popper maybe?[22:18:47] *** nitpicker has joined #haiku[22:19:01] <stpere> spock[22:19:05] <stpere> :P[22:19:13] <marc_smith> heheh[22:19:23] <marc_smith> INTPd spock[22:20:14] * l_n wonders how many people in #haiku are INTP's[22:20:50] <marc_smith> hmm, definitely not me[22:21:02] <marc_smith> I'm a different type[22:21:56] * l_n is extremely INTP[22:22:29] <l_n> it drives my ESFJ wife insane.[22:23:28] <l_n> (yes, i married an ESFJ the most ridiculously emotional of the types and i'm one of the most logical of the rationals)[22:23:40] <marc_smith> yeah, but you are in the opposition, which is good[22:24:14] <marc_smith> I'm INTJ and I can't say I have luck with dealing with people, or that people have luck with dealing with me[22:24:22] <CIA-53> zooey * r37831 /haiku/trunk/ (53 files in 9 dirs): (log message trimmed)[22:24:22] <CIA-53> Largish cleanup sweep concerning the Locale Kit (sorry it got so big):[22:24:22] <CIA-53> * refactored private/mutable stuff out of LocaleRoster into MutableLocaleRoster[22:24:22] <CIA-53> * moved management of Locale/Time settings file and broadcasting of any changes[22:24:22] <CIA-53> out of preflets and into MutableLocaleRoster[22:24:23] <CIA-53> * added proper sorting to the listviews of the Locale preflet[22:24:24] <CIA-53> * the Time preflet no longer overlaps long timezone names into the actual time[22:24:32] <l_n> i like to believe her ridiculous(ly useless) emotions help to balance my extreme lack of them. and the flipside of that is that my ridiculous logic helps to balance her emotions.[22:24:54] <l_n> marc_smith: try getting people to understand the intp pov[22:25:12] <l_n> not many people "get" me or my thought patterns.[22:25:12] <marc_smith> I know the pain rationals used to feel[22:25:50] <l_n> what's pain? :þ[22:25:56] <marc_smith> they usualy escape to their emo-world when things get too complicated[22:26:13] <marc_smith> or they use emotional arguments during conversations[22:26:21] <marc_smith> which is really, really irritating[22:26:24] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[22:26:34] <marc_smith> I'm talking about Exxx types[22:26:51] <l_n> yeah.[22:27:07] <marc_smith> they can't get the things they really are, they had to get it their way[22:27:07] *** Blub\0 has joined #haiku[22:27:13] <l_n> presenting a well-reasoned logical argument to my wife fails every time.[22:27:22] <marc_smith> I'm sure it does[22:28:07] <l_n> in fact, if i present a logical reason for my actions, 9/10 times i'm "making excuses"[22:28:25] <marc_smith> hell yeah ...[22:28:27] <l_n> i just stop arguing.[22:28:50] <marc_smith> and that's the best thing you can actually do[22:29:12] <marc_smith> have you checked out personality forums? MBTI ones for example?[22:29:25] <l_n> intpcentral.org and intpforums.org[22:29:32] * l_n lurks on both of those.[22:29:43] <l_n> it's interesting when non-intp's start posting there.[22:30:13] <marc_smith> yeah, same goes to intj-related forums[22:30:14] <l_n> gr.. 2G takes forever to dd to a usb stick[22:30:20] <marc_smith> I used to see many Exxx posts there[22:30:26] <marc_smith> and many INTP - which is good[22:30:34] <marc_smith> INTPs get INTJ pretty well[22:30:37] <marc_smith> and vice-versa[22:31:23] <marc_smith> the only difference is between 'perceiving' and 'judging' subtype[22:32:08] <marc_smith> INTJs lack perceiving, and INTP seems to lack judgind, so it seems to be complementary afterall[22:32:56] <DraX> all types get narcissism though![22:33:07] <marc_smith> well, probobly many of them[22:33:27] <marc_smith> but I wouldn't say 'every', 'noone', etc. That's a poor thing to do[22:33:32] *** mrsun has quit IRC[22:33:45] <marc_smith> at least I don't like to generalize[22:33:52] * Duggan is a proud INTJ[22:33:54] <DraX> i was making fun of y'all :P[22:34:05] <DraX> for actually caring[22:34:34] <jmayfield_> ahh.. people and their incessant need to draws lines to define teams and then join them[22:34:51] *** The123king has quit IRC[22:34:52] *** PasNox has quit IRC[22:35:40] <Duggan> jmayfield_ you must not know much about INTJ's then lol[22:35:52] <marc_smith> yeah, he certainly doesn't[22:35:58] <jmayfield_> "i am an american, aquarius, INTP, raiders fan that uses apple products[22:36:23] <PulkoMandy> geekcode anyone ? :)[22:36:30] <jmayfield_> Duggan, actually, its more about thinking its a load of shitr[22:36:34] *** saimen has joined #haiku[22:36:59] *** saimen has left #haiku[22:37:18] <Duggan> to each their own :)[22:37:54] <jmayfield_> i suppose..[22:38:19] <jmayfield_> its just that teams and team joiners cause so much f'ing trouble.[22:39:07] <Duggan> my point was, INTJ's don't do teams unless they're leading them[22:39:15] <jmayfield_> and yes, those personality "classifications" srte bullshit teams[22:39:16] <marc_smith> what teams actually?[22:39:21] <marc_smith> I don't see any[22:39:27] <marc_smith> I do not participate in any of them[22:39:32] <Duggan> there's none here for sure :P[22:39:34] <marc_smith> I am not a *registered member*[22:39:53] <jmayfield_> now youre just being literal and silly[22:40:09] <marc_smith> that's your point of view[22:40:15] <marc_smith> not so broad[22:40:20] <marc_smith> bot it;s yours[22:40:21] <jmayfield_> huh?[22:40:22] <Duggan> if you weren't meant to be taken literally, how were you meant to be taken? theres a bit of a breakdown in communiation here[22:40:52] <jmayfield_> i just figured people were capable of normal language use.. but oh well[22:41:08] <jmayfield_> ya know, metaphor and what-have-you[22:41:28] <marc_smith> anyway, really, jmayfield_ , you seem to act as some sort of anticonformist, you are denying everything you can just to deny. Now that's silly[22:41:34] <Duggan> INTJ = intuitive introverted thinking judging (for those who prefer plain english)[22:41:36] <jmayfield_> the point i thought i was getting at is that when peopel are given the opportunity to 'belong[22:41:42] <Duggan> I may have my 'i's mixed up though[22:41:53] <jmayfield_> '' to some classification, team, whatever, they do.. and it gets dumb real quick[22:42:16] <Duggan> no, I never did any such thing :)[22:42:29] <jmayfield_> marc_smith, what did i nonconform to?[22:42:38] <marc_smith> have you ever try to point good things? little change[22:43:04] <marc_smith> well, you are simply putting yourself in a forced opposition[22:43:15] <jmayfield_> uh[22:43:18] <marc_smith> whatever the topic is[22:43:30] <marc_smith> you just have to say : "no, I don't agree, that's a bullshit, etc'[22:43:34] <jmayfield_> if the topic is something i oppose, then sure[22:43:57] <marc_smith> well, so my question is:what are you satisfied with?[22:44:03] <jmayfield_> if the topic was, say, why political borders are lame.. then i would be in full agreement[22:44:10] <jmayfield_> hehe[22:44:17] <l_n> jmayfield_: have you actually studied any of the jungian/meyers-briggs theory?[22:44:24] <marc_smith> ok then, everything is lame,, stupid and dumb. Satisfied? ;)[22:44:56] <jmayfield_> l_n, yes.. i did my stint of psychology classes[22:45:13] <jmayfield_> marc_smith, that statement was very specifically designed that way.. i was being funny[22:45:17] *** cpr420 has left #haiku[22:45:28] <l_n> "Run away![22:45:29] <l_n> "[22:45:44] *** Malmis has joined #haiku[22:45:47] <Duggan> I'd rather not have some dumbass in china, or russia, or germany, or the UK, or botswana tell me how to live my life.... and thus, I rather like political boundaries :)[22:46:18] <Duggan> now if I can just get the dumbasses here to stop telling me how to live it I'd be set :/[22:46:27] <jmayfield_> marc_smith, but really though.. of course I am satisfied with 'things' . its quite normal for things that are ok/good/just fine to not enter into conversation, as they are ll good already[22:47:20] <marc_smith> well, you're not being selective at all, you're just bashing everything, but it's ok ;) that's your way[22:48:20] <marc_smith> Duggan: true! I wouldn't like to live in - say - China. What a nigthmare[22:48:33] <jmayfield_> um, what? I didnt 'bash' anything, I made a statement about peopels propensity to take the "teams" they jopin too literally[22:48:33] <l_n> heh.. there's a subforum on intpcentral.com "How to deal with XXXX type?" :P[22:48:39] *** kallisti5 has quit IRC[22:48:45] * OmniMancer puts up the please don't feed the trolls sign.[22:48:59] *** kallisti5 has joined #haiku[22:49:19] <marc_smith> yeah, there's also 'how to deal with INTJs'[22:49:27] <marc_smith> some tips are really funny[22:49:28] * l_n places a plate of food next to OmniMancer's sign.[22:49:36] <Duggan> if only I as an INTJ could figure out how to deal with everybody else :/[22:49:50] <Duggan> not that I care to[22:50:04] <l_n> Duggan: follow the example of the intp: look at them like they're stupid for not understanding you and then resume acting as if they don't exist.[22:50:18] * OmniMancer underlines the channel name in a very very bold style[22:50:20] <Duggan> lol l_n[22:51:40] <Duggan> hmm an rpg where classes are based on personality types.... "Mastermind" all the way >:D[22:53:54] <l_n> wow.. dd is *still* writing the image to the usb stick.[22:53:54] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[22:54:05] <l_n> i wish dd had some sort of progress/verbose mode.[22:54:34] <mmadia> what blocksize did you use, l_n?[22:54:46] <l_n> 1024[22:54:56] <l_n> it's a 1.9G image, though.[22:54:58] <marc_smith> I usually set bs=32m[22:55:03] <l_n> so it's gonna take a while[22:55:11] <OmniMancer> there is a signal you can send it that makes it print progress[22:55:11] <mmadia> 1024 or 1M ?[22:55:17] <marc_smith> and it always takes a hell lot of time under OpenBSD[22:55:20] <l_n> mmadia: bs=1024[22:55:30] <marc_smith> on linux and freebsd it's just ok[22:55:34] <OmniMancer> that's 1k isn't it?[22:55:40] <l_n> hrm.[22:55:55] <l_n> yeah.[22:55:56] <mmadia> yep, it defaults to BYTES[22:55:59] <l_n> damnit.[22:56:14] <marc_smith> just restart it with higher valkue[22:56:16] <marc_smith> value[22:56:29] <l_n> i did. changed it to 1M[22:56:33] <marc_smith> go with 32m[22:56:46] *** JoeyA has joined #haiku[22:56:56] <marc_smith> It won't destroy anything, although I am not sure it it makes a huge difference[22:57:32] <marc_smith> worth noticing: BSDs='m', Linux='M'[22:57:57] <OmniMancer> hmmm 32 millibytes :/[22:58:20] <marc_smith> hmm, must be me doing it wrong then, hehe[22:58:39] <marc_smith> I always confuse it[22:58:55] <marc_smith> but it just worked for me[22:59:55] <l_n> bbl. gonna test chromium os. i must satisfy my curiosity.[23:00:22] *** l_n has quit IRC[23:00:41] <marc_smith> I was kind of dissapointed[23:00:52] <marc_smith> hope you won't get dissapointed with it[23:01:17] <OmniMancer> he will[23:01:23] <marc_smith> ehehe[23:01:53] <marc_smith> and what do you think about AndroidOS?[23:02:24] <marc_smith> It used to be less secure with more ways to exploit it[23:02:33] <marc_smith> from what I've seens[23:02:36] <OmniMancer> why the appending superfluous OS onto everything when the name has no OS in it?[23:02:38] <marc_smith> seen[23:02:55] <marc_smith> ok then, Android ;)[23:03:06] *** DaaT has joined #haiku[23:03:13] <marc_smith> my mistake[23:03:26] <DraX> mmm toast[23:03:27] <OmniMancer> just now you will start with that HaikuOS nonsense[23:03:32] <OmniMancer> :P[23:03:36] <marc_smith> lol[23:03:42] <DaaT> re[23:03:55] <marc_smith> I used to refer to it as "The H"[23:04:03] <marc_smith> or H[23:04:08] <drano> that's weird[23:04:16] <marc_smith> not at all, jk[23:04:37] <marc_smith> but if you really want to make long things short[23:04:40] <marc_smith> then why not?[23:05:25] *** JoeyA has quit IRC[23:06:02] *** JoeyA has joined #haiku[23:09:24] * DraX stares into space[23:10:07] <DaaT> anything interesting?[23:10:09] <DaaT> ships?[23:10:17] <DraX> blankness[23:11:58] <DaaT> dang[23:12:57] <marc_smith> autism[23:13:54] *** l_n has joined #haiku[23:14:02] <mmu_man> sheeps![23:14:03] <l_n> this is....interesting.[23:14:21] <l_n> i've never thought of a browser as an OS interface.[23:14:38] <marc_smith> personally I can't say I like that concept[23:14:42] <marc_smith> what do you think of it?[23:14:47] <marc_smith> do you like it?[23:15:05] <l_n> i don't know.. i haven't played with it long enough[23:15:11] <marc_smith> k[23:15:11] <DaaT> likewise marc_smith (though I haven't tried it)[23:15:40] <l_n> after using haiku since r1a1, anything else is....odd.[23:15:41] <marc_smith> well, I don't think you have to try it to say you don't like it[23:16:14] <marc_smith> OS is and OS, browser is a ... browser, d'oh![23:16:18] <DaaT> no but it could change one's opinion :)[23:16:24] <marc_smith> probobly[23:16:42] <marc_smith> I can only say for myself[23:17:22] <DaaT> exactly[23:17:31] <marc_smith> Haiku has almost everything to be a clear winner. It's fast, offers you a lot of options and it's free[23:17:38] <l_n> what i want to know is how in the hell do you do any development in this type of interface?[23:17:43] <marc_smith> maybe not in that stage[23:18:46] <marc_smith> don't know much about the things behind Chrome/iumOS. They probobly offer some SDK, IDEs, whatever[23:19:07] <l_n> chromeOS may take off because of google's name.. they could actually make inroads with netbook OEM's to have chromeOS on netbooks[23:19:23] <marc_smith> I hope not[23:19:45] <marc_smith> I'd like to be able to buy netbook with a real OS, not an imitation of it ;)[23:20:02] <marc_smith> eh, I sold my netbook anyway[23:20:18] <marc_smith> but it came with XP_HE [Lenovo one][23:20:25] <marc_smith> [former IBM][23:21:13] <OmniMancer> l_n: you don't develop on it :P[23:22:19] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[23:23:33] *** raichoo has quit IRC[23:24:30] <l_n> okay. next stupid question. where do you find software for it? i see some default 'apps', but nowhere is there a link to 'find more stuff...'[23:24:37] *** kirilla has joined #haiku[23:26:47] <DaaT> atm I don't know. In the future maybe they'll use something like the android app market[23:26:53] <DaaT> but atm... nope, no idea[23:26:55] <DaaT> :)[23:28:20] *** NightlyUser has quit IRC[23:30:30] <brobostigon> good night all, sleep well.[23:30:48] <DaaT> night[23:31:10] <brobostigon> night DaaT[23:31:26] *** brobostigon has quit IRC[23:34:06] *** simulacrum has quit IRC[23:35:13] *** marc_smith has quit IRC[23:37:28] *** Barrett has quit IRC[23:37:55] <l_n> this is an interesting concept.[23:38:10] <l_n> ridiculously crippled linux that runs no local applications.[23:38:53] <OmniMancer> they probably have NaCL[23:38:56] <OmniMancer> NaCl[23:38:59] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[23:41:46] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[23:43:01] *** jmayfield_ has quit IRC[23:47:23] *** StreaK|ON has joined #haiku[23:48:32] <StreaK|ON> official dating site for haiku users -> http://bit.ly/rWWNx ?? :)[23:49:21] <Disreali> haha.. BeOS users actually[23:50:04] <DaaT> :)[23:50:49] *** Sir_Konrad has quit IRC[23:51:06] <stpere> hahaha[23:52:24] <Disreali> has anyone use CDPlayer on recent builds? I am not getting any soundfrom it, yet MediaPlayer works fine[23:54:53] *** simulacrum has joined #haiku[23:55:00] <StreaK|ON> Disreali, nope[23:55:25] <Disreali> ok[23:55:43] <DraX> Disreali: has cd player ever worked for you?[23:56:14] <Disreali> yes, though it looks quite different now[23:57:03] <Disreali> I also don't like that it creates a ~/cd dir to store cd info[23:57:23] <Disreali> but that is another issue[23:57:58] <Disreali> I miss SoundPlay[23:58:02] *** Sir_Konrad has joined #haiku[23:58:53] <DaaT> is marco still around?