[00:03:29] <vooshy> dru345: how are you?
[00:03:36] <dru345> i'm well
[00:04:04] <vooshy> dru345: cool, been up to much?
[00:04:30] <dru345> no, not a lot
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[00:05:06] <Skipp_OSX> oh well I just gave up and through an error
[00:05:37] <Skipp_OSX> I guess infinite results are kind of hard to work with anyway
[00:05:44] <dru345> I did some tracker work. been doing other things this week so far vooshy
[00:05:56] <Skipp_OSX> s/through/threw
[00:06:41] <vooshy> dru345: did you find what you were looking for in the tracker?
[00:06:54] <dru345> partially
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[00:13:06] <CIA-54> yourpalal * r37780 /haiku/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Updated BTextControl and its custom BLayoutItems. Also a bit of style cleanup. Broke up BTextControl::_InitData() method into _InitData() and _InitText() and moved initialization of the BTextView there.
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[00:32:39] <dru345> vooshy how is your project coming along?
[00:35:48] <vooshy> dru345: problems with my haiku laptop have set it back a bit, but im still working on it.
[00:36:14] <dru345> too bad about the problems. good that you're making progress :)
[00:37:27] <yourpalal> vooshy: am I correct in thinking that you're working on a word processor?
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[00:39:31] <vooshy> youpalal: correct
[00:40:19] <phoudoin> Duggan: still there
[00:41:34] <phoudoin> Guess no.
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[00:44:00] <yourpalal> vooshy: cool, is it going to use the open document formats? (.odt and friends)
[00:45:19] <vooshy> yourpalal: my aim is to make it as wide a format as possible, so open formats, microsoft, etc.
[00:45:53] <phoudoin> Paragraph or that other, hum, productive suite?
[00:46:29] <vooshy> yourpalal: would love to talk more but bit late here. feel free to drop me an email vooshy at vooshy dot co.uk
[00:46:36] <yourpalal> sure!
[00:46:58] <vooshy> phoudoin: Yes, Paragraph
[00:47:05] <vooshy> night all
[00:47:11] <dru345> goodnight vooshy
[00:47:13] <yourpalal> goodnight
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[00:47:32] <Duggan> phoudoin yeah
[00:47:34] <Duggan> whats up?
[00:47:41] <dru345> 'lo Duggan
[00:47:46] <Duggan> hey dru
[00:47:52] <Duggan> http://haikuware.com/directory/view-details/development/miscellaneous/personal-issue-tracker
[00:48:03] <dru345> was just gonna ask if u released
[00:48:08] <phoudoin> Duggan: yes, exactly.
[00:48:14] <Duggan> no I didn't get the mimetype stuff done but I let the cat out of the bag and people insisted I upload it
[00:48:26] <Duggan> exactly what? lol
[00:48:32] <phoudoin> That why you were looking in Tracker?
[00:48:43] <Duggan> no, thats dru345's stuff
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[00:48:55] <phoudoin> exactly the topic I was about to ask you on...
[00:49:06] <michaelvo> hi folks
[00:49:06] <Duggan> oh my project? lol
[00:49:09] <Duggan> hey michaelvo
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[00:49:17] <Duggan> well ask away phoudoin :)
[00:49:27] <PulkoMandy> 5 downloads already
[00:49:30] <l_n> of?
[00:49:32] <michaelvo> ;)
[00:49:36] <phoudoin> of PIT
[00:49:37] <PulkoMandy> 5 downloads alreadyC compilerhands down :)
[00:49:46] <l_n> wtf is PIT?
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[00:49:53] <PulkoMandy> you beat my 6809 C compiler hands down :)
[00:49:56] <phoudoin> Personal Issue Tracker
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[00:50:00] <michaelvo> #j mplayer
[00:50:02] <phoudoin> or Track?
[00:50:11] <phoudoin> Whatever, it's PIT :-)
[00:50:13] <Duggan> l_n my project is PIT
[00:50:34] <l_n> palming_of_trackpad_error++
[00:50:37] * l_n grumbles.
[00:50:45] <Duggan> lol PulkoMandy
[00:50:55] <Duggan> lol l_n
[00:51:07] <phoudoin> Duggan: do you use queries, or is SQLLite based?
[00:51:15] <dru345> sqlite :P
[00:51:32] <dru345> i'll download now Duggan
[00:51:44] <Duggan> phoudoin it uses sql queries in a sqlite database
[00:51:48] <phoudoin> oh. Then I don't understand why you were looking in Tracker, Duggan...
[00:51:59] <Duggan> I wasn't
[00:52:02] <phoudoin> ColumnListView?
[00:52:10] <Duggan> thats not tracker :P
[00:52:21] <Duggan> tracker doesn't even use it that I'm aware of, it has its own custom thing
[00:52:30] <dru345> tracker doesn't use it
[00:52:55] <dru345> not at this point anyway >.>
[00:52:57] <Duggan> drivesetup and devices do  though
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[00:54:29] <Duggan> BColumnListView is an undocumented control... its not "public" because its either not finished or too buggy, but it works fine for me
[00:55:04] <phoudoin> I though you were asking CLV questions here lately.
[00:55:23] <Duggan> I've been looking at CLV for a while now
[00:55:29] <Duggan> phoudoin PIT uses a CLV
[00:55:29] <phoudoin> Did you though about using BFS + Queries instead?
[00:55:51] <Duggan> phoudoin no clue how to go about doing that, you mean like searching for files?
[00:55:55] <phoudoin> That would make each ticket a file...
[00:56:04] <phoudoin> yep. Like for mails, or contacts.
[00:56:09] <Duggan> phoudoin that could be problematic though
[00:56:38] <Duggan> is there a downside to using sqlite?
[00:56:57] <l_n> i can't decide whether "Silent Library" is ridiculously amusing or retarded.
[00:57:08] <phoudoin> Only your app can use the tickets database.
[00:57:11] <yourpalal> l_n: both
[00:58:01] <l_n> "Bad Taste Toothbrush" - hrm...
[00:58:19] <l_n> 30 secs of brushing teeth with wasabi paste
[00:58:35] <phoudoin> I'm not saying your app is wrong, I already love it, I'm just wondering if using the queries power would not make sense here.
[00:59:11] <Duggan> at the moment I don't know of any other programs that would make use of them, and if there were some I'm sure I could accomodate :)
[00:59:29] <Duggan> the concept of importing and exporting between Trac and PIT has been thrown around
[00:59:41] <Duggan> phoudoin if you love it, rate it ;)
[00:59:51] <phoudoin> Ah. Then it make far more sense indeed.
[01:00:28] <phoudoin> Duggan: Not yet. I want to use it a bit more first :)
[01:00:33] <Duggan> lol ok
[01:01:19] <Duggan> I'm not saying the Trac/PIT thing isn't going to happen, I'm just saying it isn't going to happen right now... PIT needs to mature some before we try something like that
[01:01:21] <phoudoin> Anyway, that's a great idea, this kind of dev tool is often missing, not only on our beloved platform...
[01:01:37] <Duggan> phoudoin I've got more on the way ;)
[01:01:50] <phoudoin> Don't spoil!
[01:01:55] <Duggan> I'm not :P
[01:02:05] <Duggan> its staying hush hush for now ;)
[01:02:05] <Duggan> lol
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[01:03:06] <phoudoin> Teasers are often spoilers. But I must confuse with Holywood industry there.
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[01:03:47] <phoudoin> We needs a graphical merge tool, too. Would you mind? Thanks. By next month please. ;-)
[01:05:14] <Duggan> noted :P
[01:05:54] <phoudoin> I wasn't expect less.
[01:06:03] <phoudoin> expecting.
[01:06:05] <Duggan> lol
[01:06:36] <phoudoin> Foreign language is definitively less easy than native one. Wonder why...
[01:06:48] <Duggan> beats me :/
[01:07:21] <l_n> why am i still watching this?
[01:08:21] <phoudoin> sleep deprivation?
[01:10:22] <l_n> no.. it's only 19:11 here
[01:12:25] <l_n> i think the proper term is "Schadenfreude" ;)
[01:15:31] <phoudoin> I must believe you blindly.
[01:15:46] <Duggan> I'm not sure if its a good thing or a bad thing....
[01:15:59] <Duggan> but it took me about a week to write that program
[01:16:14] <Duggan> of course I was learning the Haiku API and SQLite at the same time
[01:16:27] <Duggan> but in C# I could've had that done in a couple hours :/
[01:16:51] <yourpalal> yeah, but then it'd be written in c# :P
[01:16:54] <phoudoin> Learning SQLite included?
[01:17:09] <Duggan> yep
[01:17:17] <Duggan> I already know SQL, just not SQLite
[01:17:35] <Duggan> I'm a bit rusty on joins... I prefer boolean operators :P
[01:19:36] <phoudoin> BTW, could be a good idea if you could also host a PIT built for R1a2 target. Not everybody downloading stuff from haikuware are using nighties...
[01:19:52] <phoudoin> s/host/publish
[01:20:03] <Duggan> I'll see what I can do
[01:20:36] <Duggan> I was going to see about a GCC4 build
[01:20:50] <Duggan> since some seem to consider that superior
[01:21:10] <phoudoin> well, for such app, it won't make that a difference.
[01:21:50] <Duggan> well it wouldn't hurt to allow it as much exposure as possible :)
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[01:22:37] <phoudoin> I mean, it's not CPU-intensive or whatever, any speed or memory print improvement you could get from gcc4 will go unnoticed
[01:22:50] <Duggan> no the issue is the libraries
[01:23:13] <Duggan> gcc2 programs won't work on a gcc4 non-hybrid build
[01:23:15] <phoudoin> oh, you mean for people who run haiku in gcc4 not hybrid?
[01:23:20] <Duggan> yep
[01:24:30] <l_n> the hybrids are actually the best builds. they allow legacy software and new stuff.
[01:24:55] * michaelvo building VegaStrike
[01:25:09] * michaelvo almost work... huumm..
[01:25:12] <Duggan> I know but there are people that argue that the gcc2 libs get in the way or are too confusing or whatever, so they run a gcc4 non-hybrid
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[01:26:55] <l_n> they don't 'get in the way' if you don't use setgcc to change to gcc2 and forget to change back..
[01:27:03] <l_n> and you install gcc2 libs in the right place
[01:27:41] <Duggan> yeah well, there are still those that prefer gcc4 regardless of whether they're misled, incompetent, or for whatever other reason
[01:27:57] <Duggan> honestly though
[01:28:04] <Duggan> I really don't have much reason to use gcc2
[01:28:17] <PulkoMandy> you don't have better ones to use gcc4
[01:28:23] <PulkoMandy> why bother about that ?
[01:28:25] <Duggan> I cant mount my R5 Pro cd, so its not like I can get GoBe off it :/
[01:28:39] <PulkoMandy> as long as it builds
[01:28:44] <yourpalal> gcc2 gets slightly better testing
[01:29:34] <Duggan> the one I've got works :P
[01:30:08] * michaelvo PLib was successful ported \o/
[01:30:45] <l_n> speaking of gobe, mmadia was right. i haven't gotten any response from them.
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[01:32:35] <Duggan> with better tools we will be productive
[01:32:46] <Duggan> with better tools also others will come to be productive
[01:33:01] <Duggan> and when others come they bring their users with them
[01:33:44] <Duggan> we won't need gobe... if we don't write something, someone else will :) we just need to empower them to do so quickly and easily
[01:34:40] <Duggan> why do you think I wrote PIT? :P
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[01:35:56] <l_n> Duggan: because you could?
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[01:36:02] <Duggan> that too
[01:36:50] <PulkoMandy> if someone has some time to spend, I have found a bug in SDL for programs with resizeable windows
[01:37:04] <PulkoMandy> the window grow 1 pixel each time you switch workspaces
[01:37:09] <PulkoMandy> please, please, fix this :)
[01:37:27] <PulkoMandy> and now, I go sleep.
[01:37:29] <PulkoMandy> 'night
[01:37:33] <Duggan> l8r PulkoMandy
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[02:15:27] <dru345> u here Duggan?
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[02:35:09] <Duggan> dru345 yeah whats up?
[02:35:18] <dru345> hi
[02:35:22] <Duggan> hi
[02:36:18] <Xeon3D> hey
[02:41:45] <Duggan> hey Xeon3D
[02:43:35] <l_n> *yawn*
[02:43:47] <Duggan> yep
[02:43:54] <Duggan> try my program yet l_n? :P
[02:44:00] <Duggan> how about you Xeon3D? :P
[02:44:34] <l_n> not yet. no need yet.
[02:47:22] <l_n> hrm.. i'm still using r37165
[02:47:34] <l_n> what's svn up to now?
[02:47:55] <Duggan> its over 37700
[02:48:28] <Duggan> updating... I'll tell you when its done
[02:52:04] <l_n> cmd-a cmd-x is useful
[02:53:47] <Duggan> r37780
[02:55:16] <l_n> i should probably get out my usb stick, then.
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[03:01:44] <Xeon3D> I have no haiku installed :X
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[03:03:21] <CIA-54> anevilyak * r37781 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/tracker/FSUtils.h: (log message trimmed)
[03:03:22] <CIA-54> Fix yet another cause of the boot volume icon being mapped incorrectly (as
[03:03:22] <CIA-54> pointed out by a gcc warning): the value chosen for B_BOOT_DISK was well outside
[03:03:22] <CIA-54> of the range of the directory_which enum. Consequently it wound up getting
[03:03:22] <CIA-54> truncated and never correctly being matched in the switch that grabs the icon
[03:03:22] <CIA-54> from resources. Curiously, this bug/warning only showed up with a cross-compiled
[03:03:23] <CIA-54> executable, but not with one compiled with the development toolchain compiler
[03:12:28] <l_n> it's too bad you can't do a live update (i.e. replace *_server code on disk and restart the servers in a sane manner)
[03:18:19] <l_n> so in BWindow::SetWorkspaces(), is the bitfield counted from left to right or right to left? (i.e. is 10010000000000000000000000000000 workspaces 1 & 4 or 32 & 29?)
[03:19:08] <l_n> (yes, i just typed a 32bit bitfield. :P )
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[03:21:26] * Disreali has returned
[03:21:33] * l_n has never left.
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[03:24:04] <Disreali> I just got back from dinner at the best Greek restaurant ever
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[03:26:00] <Duggan> hey Disreali
[03:26:30] <Duggan> l_n can't help you with that one :/
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[03:33:44] <Xeon3D> Disreali, did you ever get those docs a few days ago?
[03:34:06] <l_n> vaguery in tech documents is inexcusable.
[03:34:33] <l_n> as i said, the BeBook says it's a bitfield, but not whether it's read from left to right or right to left
[03:34:46] <Duggan> "vaguery" is grammar is inexcusable
[03:34:58] <havokmalo> is grammar is?
[03:35:05] <Duggan> in grammar^
[03:35:11] <havokmalo> Awesome.
[03:35:21] <Duggan> tried to correct myself but the exponent thingy jacked up on me as it is wont to do
[03:35:25] <havokmalo> haha
[03:35:34] <Disreali> Xeon3D: yes, but I did not see much that was useful to me
[03:35:51] <l_n> meh. i could've sworn i've seen that used somewhere.
[03:35:53] <Disreali> I'' look at them more later
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[03:36:14] * l_n locks himself away for a while for his bad english
[03:37:15] <l_n> that should have been 'vagueness'
[03:37:20] <Disreali> no. mis-typing is excusable
[03:37:27] <Disreali> yes
[03:38:05] <l_n> (and i'm a native speaker :P )
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[03:42:43] <l_n> the links between anemia -> pagophagia -> glossitis are interesting...
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[04:00:59] <l_n> do modals in beos/haiku behave as in os x (i.e. blocking only the parent window and not the entire app)
[04:02:40] * l_n is talking/typing to himself again..
[04:05:48] <l_n> "Well, me, it's been nice talking to myself.  It's a credit to dementia.."
[04:07:36] <l_n> s/been//
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[04:14:28] <Disreali> l_n; iirc you are correct re: modal windows
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[04:44:16] <havokmalo> Interesting
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[04:47:09] <l_n> is there a way to force B_NOT_ANCHORED_ON_ACTIVATE as a user? (i.e. have windows move to current workspace when activated)
[04:48:11] <Duggan> haven't the foggiest :/
[04:51:59] * l_n goes digging in the preferences
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[04:56:16] <Disreali> l_n: you can do that in UserSetupEnvironment. not sure if it can be done by an app
[05:01:25] <l_n> do you just export the flag as an env var that == 1? or is there in env var for default window flags?
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[05:08:46] * Xeon3D just fell asleep at work and was woken up by the two hot swedes that were stayin here.
[05:14:24] <Duggan> lol
[05:14:26] <Duggan> lucky you
[05:21:03] <Duggan> Xeon3D you around?
[05:22:42] <dru345> he may be occupied with the swedes
[05:23:43] <Duggan> hey l_n what are you working on again?
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[05:28:49] <Duggan> up to 9 downloads now hehe... sorry PulkoMandy :(
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[05:38:53] <Duggan> Xeon3D if you ever come back around let me know, I'd like to continue our discussion from earlier :)
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[06:10:27] <Duggan> wow... this place is dead
[06:10:37] <dru345> mhmm
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[06:12:58] <dru345> hello IIsi50MHz
[06:13:14] <IIsi50MHz> Hej
[06:13:31] <IIsi50MHz> I got some more old PC133 modules to play with, stuck them in my BeOS box.
[06:13:49] <IIsi50MHz> First one got seen as 19 MB
[06:14:29] <Duggan> hej
[06:14:29] <IIsi50MHz> Second one got seen as 4.1 GB on the first POST, then 16, then consistently 80 MB
[06:14:38] <IIsi50MHz> But the kernel wouldn't load (-:
[06:14:48] <Duggan> lol
[06:15:04] <Duggan> that sucks
[06:15:28] <IIsi50MHz> Stupid intel VX chipset. The memory controller's logic becomes unpredictable above 48 MB
[06:15:49] <dru345> this a G3 BeBox ?
[06:16:03] <dru345> or just your old BeOS running 'puter?
[06:16:15] <IIsi50MHz> Some sources say it /can't/ address more than 48 MB due to blah-blah false technical information blah-blah
[06:16:20] <IIsi50MHz> It's a Presario 4505
[06:16:25] <dru345> oh :P
[06:17:00] <IIsi50MHz> But, yeah: sometimes a VX chipset will see more than 48 MB of RAM...but it's unpredictable.
[06:17:17] <IIsi50MHz> Apparently, some people got lucky and always POST with 80 MB
[06:18:03] <IIsi50MHz> But others are like me: random values POSTed, like zero, 16, 32, 48, 20, 80, 256, and 4.1 GB
[06:19:39] <IIsi50MHz> On the upside, I pulled the 'new' sticks from a Pentium 4 computer that got dontated to me + Both sticks are 512 MB = Maybe I can get Be/ku up on a less memory starved box!
[06:20:19] <IIsi50MHz> Duggan, Bell South? I expected Scandinavia, or perhaps Denmark.
[06:20:25] <Duggan> why?
[06:20:41] <DraX> denmark is in scandinavia..
[06:20:44] <IIsi50MHz> You answered "Hej" with "hej"
[06:20:45] <Duggan> because I said hej? hehe
[06:21:09] <IIsi50MHz> Well, from my point of view, Denmark is on the wrong side of the water. x-:
[06:21:10] <Duggan> yes and when you go I'll probably say hej då :P
[06:21:58] <DraX> IIsi50MHz: the other side of the oresund certainly is nicer
[06:22:21] <Duggan> once upon a time I was studying Swedish :P
[06:22:21] <DraX> at least from my (short) experience
[06:23:04] <DraX> i need to go back when it's not winter :)
[06:23:36] <IIsi50MHz> A few years upon a time, I was Opping a channel with some Swedes, Finns, and Norwegians
[06:23:51] <IIsi50MHz> DraX: heh
[06:23:52] <Duggan> I used to play a mud with alot of swedes
[06:24:00] <Duggan> but thats not why I was learning swedish hehe
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[06:26:17] * IIsi50MHz mutters "Hmm, according to Dell, this old P4 box should run 1.5 to 2.0 GHz. Wonder if it'll boot?"
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[06:28:10] <IIsi50MHz> Oh, foo!
[06:28:39] <IIsi50MHz> Out of stuff to plug into it. I'll have to shut something down.
[06:29:15] <OmniMancer> :(
[06:29:29] <dru345> hi OmniMancer
[06:29:42] <OmniMancer> hi
[06:29:54] <Duggan> hey OmniMancer
[06:29:59] <dru345> trying to boot haiku nightly in 64MB RAM
[06:30:49] <IIsi50MHz> Ooo, daring.
[06:31:10] <dru345> got deskbar
[06:31:14] <dru345> waiting on tracker
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[06:34:01] <Duggan> I'm still waiting on more feedback for my program :P
[06:34:12] <dru345> claims 57MiB used. only took 5 min to start up with all the page hits
[06:34:33] <dru345> can i do 32MB boot? ;P
[06:34:42] <Duggan> sure... well, you can try anyway :P
[06:35:05] <OmniMancer> what does your program do Duggan?
[06:35:23] <Duggan> its a bug tracking database kinda thing
[06:35:30] <Duggan> check out PIT on haikuware
[06:36:36] <HaikuUser> what program is that ?
[06:36:57] <HaikuUser> so how do I install software becuase the command line does not work for me.
[06:37:17] <Duggan> terminal doesn't work?
[06:37:56] <HaikuUser> either that or I don't know how to use it properly. high probobality on that.
[06:38:19] <Duggan> click on the leaf menu, go to Applications->Terminal
[06:38:36] <HaikuUser> ok
[06:38:38] <Duggan> what version are you using?
[06:38:39] <HaikuUser> next
[06:38:46] <HaikuUser> yesterdays nightly build
[06:38:52] <Duggan> ah
[06:38:53] <HaikuUser> on vmware
[06:39:11] <Duggan> is terminal still not working?
[06:39:20] <HaikuUser> hang on I can fire up a1r2 if you prefer
[06:39:27] <Duggan> no, the nightly should be fine
[06:39:33] <Duggan> is it gcc2hybrid?
[06:39:40] <HaikuUser> it didn't see a browser
[06:39:48] <HaikuUser> it is the gcc4 hybrid IIRC
[06:39:52] <Duggan> if terminal is up, I'll tell you how to get one
[06:39:54] <HaikuUser> hang on let me check the version
[06:40:21] <dru345> 32MiB and 48MiB send me to KDL xD
[06:40:29] <OmniMancer> :P
[06:40:32] <Duggan> lol
[06:40:32] <HaikuUser> gcc4 hybrid
[06:40:36] <Duggan> ok good
[06:40:38] <Duggan> is terminal up?
[06:40:41] <dru345> 56MB looks like it hangs after the rocket on boot
[06:40:41] <HaikuUser> yes
[06:40:51] <HaikuUser> welcome to Haiku shell
[06:41:00] <HaikuUser> dot dot dot dot dot dot dot it blinks to
[06:41:08] <Duggan> type: installoptionalpackage webpositive
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[06:41:18] <Duggan> hey kurain
[06:41:25] <kurain> hey duggan
[06:41:35] <dru345> however i can at least confirm 64MiB is still a minimum to boot to Tracker :P
[06:41:37] <HaikuUser> generating
[06:41:56] <HaikuUser> can someone please fix the mouse right click or tell me how to fix it
[06:41:59] <Duggan> once thats finished WebPositive is under Applications
[06:42:07] <Duggan> fix it? whats wrong with it?
[06:42:14] <HaikuUser> I am very used to the windows mouse behavior and after 25+ years of PC use I refuse to change
[06:42:28] <kurain> well, dru345, when using haiku ,I found a problem
[06:42:39] <HaikuUser> oh cool it is downloading and installing eb positive. thats prettty sweet !
[06:42:43] <dru345> tell me about your problem kurain
[06:42:54] <Duggan> well this isn't windows nor has it any intention of emulating windows... however I don't recall how the right mouse button is all that different from on windows...
[06:42:58] <kurain> when I mount the ntfs, I can't find come folders that have much files in it
[06:43:32] <kurain> such as a folder that has much video files
[06:43:42] <Duggan> HaikuUser to view the other packages available type: installoptionalpackage -l
[06:43:48] <Duggan> thats a lower case L
[06:43:49] <HaikuUser> says generating list of package names ________
[06:43:50] <HaikuUser> done
[06:43:51] <IIsi50MHz> Haiku has a control panel to set the mouse to one, two, or three buttons, right?
[06:43:52] <HaikuUser> >>>>>
[06:44:10] <Duggan> IIsi50MHz I think so, let me check
[06:44:20] <HaikuUser> is that I of L ?
[06:44:23] <Duggan> but by default its set to at least 2
[06:44:25] <HaikuUser> i or L
[06:44:29] <Duggan> lower case L
[06:44:32] <HaikuUser> ok
[06:44:47] <IIsi50MHz> BeOS does. Don't have Haiu booted right now (on a machine that's elsewhre)
[06:45:00] <IIsi50MHz> +k
[06:45:04] <Duggan> IIsi50MHz yes, it can set the number of buttons
[06:45:16] <Duggan> the Mouse preflet
[06:45:28] <HaikuUser> ok it found the packages. what do I do now ?
[06:45:34] <HaikuUser> I got a huge paragraph of stuff
[06:45:44] <HaikuUser> you guy need a install application badly
[06:45:50] <HaikuUser> I suck at this stuff
[06:45:54] <Duggan> I was just saying you could view other packages with that, I didn't mean you had to do anything else
[06:46:03] <Duggan> if webpositive is installed, you have a web browser now
[06:46:08] <HaikuUser> well how would I go about installing those packages. ?
[06:46:17] <Duggan> same way you did webpositive
[06:46:20] <OmniMancer> installoptionalpackage <packagename>
[06:46:24] <Duggan> installoptionalpackage <packagename>
[06:46:34] <IIsi50MHz> Oh, I had an interesting experience with scrolling mice recently. A PS2 mouse with clickable scroll wheel worked for scrolling and middle clicke, but a USB one wouldn't scroll. When I stuck an old Logtiech USB->PS2 mouse adapter on it, scroll started working.
[06:46:37] <Duggan> but theres not much sense in just installing packages for the sake of installing packages
[06:47:03] <HaikuUser> I like pakcages
[06:47:09] <HaikuUser> especially when I can get the
[06:47:12] <HaikuUser> ohh nevermind
[06:47:41] <HaikuUser> so how can I change the mouse behavior to something more akin to MS XP ?
[06:47:45] <OmniMancer> IIsi50MHz: is that the kind of adapter that is just a pin adapter and the mouse knows how to do ps2 aswell or an actual adapter?
[06:47:47] <HaikuUser> default
[06:47:55] <IIsi50MHz> Pakcages: where you keep your German WWII anti-tank guns? :-D
[06:47:59] <OmniMancer> HaikuUser: what is your problem with the current one
[06:48:27] <Duggan> whats the difference? :/
[06:48:30] <HaikuUser> I just really dislike the behavior of the right click features
[06:48:46] <HaikuUser> with MS XP you right click and you get a drop down
[06:48:51] <IIsi50MHz> I thought it was just a pin adapter, but the mouse isn't Logitech. The adapter is Logitech.
[06:48:53] <HaikuUser> then you select the action with a left click
[06:48:58] <OmniMancer> what is this mystical behavior you hate?
[06:49:01] <HaikuUser> not a right click and hold and release
[06:49:15] <HaikuUser> ahh nag on
[06:49:16] <OmniMancer> ah
[06:49:18] <IIsi50MHz> Maybe they used the same scheme, or pin adapters are expected now.
[06:49:25] <OmniMancer> you will learn or not use haiku
[06:49:30] <Duggan> HaikuUser its actually faster and you get used to it quickly
[06:49:38] <OmniMancer> no the mice are backward compatible to ps2
[06:49:39] <HaikuUser> brb gotta wash hands. Just got in from work and they are still pretty grimmy. Keyboard is getting nasty
[06:49:56] <HaikuUser> actually I don;t mind the speed decrease. It is the precision I like
[06:50:02] <HaikuUser> to easy to input the wrong command
[06:50:10] <HaikuUser> speed is good up until the user finds it difficult.
[06:50:25] <Duggan> you'll get used to it :)
[06:50:29] <OmniMancer> if you connect the data+ and data- lines to the ps/2 cvlock and data the right way then the mouse firmware detects it and acts like ps/2
[06:50:36] <HaikuUser> Not to mention if you want anyhope of making a foothold. Basic common schemes like that really do make people more comforatble.
[06:50:39] <OmniMancer> HaikuUser: you can always cease to have a problem with it
[06:50:50] <IIsi50MHz> Hrm, at least in BeOS R5, right-click menus can stay open for you.
[06:50:51] <Duggan> actually I don't have to hold the button down on menus...
[06:50:56] <Duggan> not most of the time anyway
[06:51:06] <HaikuUser> I do on the menus. Maybe something is configured wrong ?
[06:51:08] <IIsi50MHz> I don't recall trying to do that in Haiku.
[06:51:27] <HaikuUser> omnimancer its not a personal attack.
[06:51:33] <HaikuUser> or a attack on haiku
[06:51:39] <Duggan> I think it used to be that way in BeOS but that was so long ago :/
[06:51:45] <HaikuUser> hell it runs faster in VM ware then my windows install does natively.
[06:51:51] <HaikuUser> thats whats bizzare
[06:51:53] <Duggan> HaikuUser we hear that alot :)
[06:51:59] <IIsi50MHz> Buahaha!
[06:52:18] <Duggan> btw, I'm running Haiku natively
[06:52:28] <OmniMancer> HaikuUser: I think it stays open depending on a few things :/ not sure what they are :P
[06:52:45] <Duggan> on the desktop I don't have to hold it down
[06:52:47] <IIsi50MHz> Although...it won't run faster if you try to boot the install image without enough RAM configured to the VM. Installation will hang after a day or two (-;
[06:52:56] <Duggan> I think its context menus in applications and it may depend on the application, I'm not sure :/
[06:53:21] <OmniMancer> I think it depends on what class they used to make the popup menu or something
[06:53:37] <OmniMancer> I would like it to support both
[06:53:38] * IIsi50MHz has been that foolish, trying to boot the Haiku install image with only 48 MB of RAM in the VM
[06:53:41] <OmniMancer> if you hold the button select what you release on
[06:53:50] <Duggan> yeah, most likely legacy software using the BeOS libs? statically linked? I dunno...
[06:53:54] <OmniMancer> if you click keep open till you select or click elsewhere
[06:54:08] <OmniMancer> Duggan: no its probably a setting in the constructor or something
[06:54:13] <OmniMancer> something is different :P
[06:54:36] <Duggan> I haven't come across it in any of my development efforts... of course I haven't used context menus yet
[06:54:54] <IIsi50MHz> Omni: that's the way it worked in R5. RClick1-stay-open and RDown-drag-select
[06:55:01] <cpr420> it's a known problem, people have attempted to fix it in the past
[06:55:24] <Duggan> like I said I imagine its statically linked libs in legacy software
[06:56:32] <Duggan> I don't recall any native haiku software acting like that
[06:57:33] <OmniMancer> there are no static libbe
[06:57:40] <OmniMancer> its a shared object
[06:58:48] <Duggan> checked out my program yet? lol
[06:59:03] <HaikuUser> who else gets 500 fps on teapots in VMware ?
[06:59:09] <IIsi50MHz> Blahg, one of the downsides of working with older computers is that USB keyboard support is usually off by default...so you can't enter BIOS Setup from the USB keyboard to turn it on.
[06:59:31] <Duggan> hehe
[06:59:44] <dru345> i get about 200 fps HaikuUser
[06:59:48] <HaikuUser> thats if I enable 4 core acess to the CPU though
[07:00:03] <HaikuUser> running on one 3ghz core it runs about 250
[07:00:17] <dru345> i only give it 1 core
[07:00:34] <HaikuUser> I figured i'd see what happened if I let it eat
[07:00:37] <HaikuUser> fucking insane
[07:00:50] <HaikuUser> is there a way to import media files from on OS to another ?
[07:01:18] <Duggan> you can mount ntfs partitions and ext2/3/4/whatever is in the works....
[07:01:22] <HaikuUser> IE I have mp3 files in my Windows install that I'd like to move to haiku. I have been wanting to try the media player
[07:01:28] <Duggan> I think some ext partitions are mountable but I dunno, I don't have any :P
[07:01:52] <Duggan> right click on your desktop and select "Mount" then pick the drive you want to mount
[07:02:03] <HaikuUser> so mounting the drives should in thoery let me see them files ?
[07:02:08] <Duggan> but I don't know if you can do that from inside VM
[07:02:31] <Duggan> in fact it will, but likely not from within VM
[07:02:47] <HaikuUser> nope not happening. I wish you had a dropbox client. Would be easy
[07:04:06] <Duggan> l_n, Xeon3D, you guys awake yet? :P
[07:04:33] * dru345 offers to turn a firehose on them for Duggan
[07:04:51] <Duggan> go for it, don't expect any money though :P
[07:05:00] <IIsi50MHz> Well, I'm just gonna have to accept some more #haiku withdrawl. My only PS2 keyboard is on this machine right now.
[07:05:10] <Duggan> :/
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[07:05:45] <OmniMancer> :(
[07:06:05] <Duggan> lol nice quit message at least
[07:06:18] <dru345> heh
[07:07:00] <HaikuUser> I have 20 good ps2 keyboards. are they really that hard to find ?
[07:07:02] <OmniMancer> HaikuUser: you can if you are on the same machine, most VM software does not allow direct disk access to the VM so you can't
[07:07:06] <HaikuUser> dell's most of them.
[07:07:06] <OmniMancer> there is always ftp
[07:07:09] <OmniMancer> or sftp :P
[07:07:24] <HaikuUser> hmmm I could ftp.
[07:07:27] <dru345> what is your host OS, HaikuUser?
[07:07:33] <HaikuUser> or I could put stuff on a thumb driver ?
[07:07:38] <HaikuUser> windows XP SP#
[07:07:41] <HaikuUser> sp3
[07:07:47] <dru345> yes that works too
[07:07:47] <dru345> oh XP
[07:07:48] <cpr420> OmniMancer: which vm software doesn't allow direct access?
[07:07:52] <kurain> HaikuUser, so am i
[07:08:15] <HaikuUser> I am running vmware right now but I also have virtualbox
[07:08:20] <kurain> but I have centos on my hardware
[07:08:22] <HaikuUser> with a1r2 installed
[07:08:37] <dru345> doesn't XP allow you to share files with some kind of personal web sharing?
[07:08:41] <OmniMancer> cpr420: most VM software on windows
[07:08:51] <OmniMancer> they do allow shared folders
[07:08:54] <HaikuUser> ehhhh yeah I would never allow that level of acess on my machine
[07:09:11] <HaikuUser> Its all pretty much been molested enough to keep it from ever comming on. registry key tweaks
[07:09:13] <cpr420> OmniMancer: I know for a fact vbox allows direct access and I'm almost positive that qemu and vmware do too
[07:09:19] <OmniMancer> but not without gues additions
[07:09:26] <dru345> i often use the web server (web sharing) on Mac OS to get files to my Haiku VMs
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[07:09:35] <dru345> hi yourpalal
[07:09:36] <OmniMancer> cpr420: I have never found an easy way to do so, not that I've looked
[07:09:42] <OmniMancer> and it likely doesn't work on windows
[07:09:44] <yourpalal> hi dru345
[07:10:03] <HaikuUser> shame you can't just dump it in the VMware virtualdrive folder
[07:10:07] <cpr420> I boot Haiku off a partition using vbox on windows without problem
[07:10:31] <HaikuUser> hang on a sec.
[07:11:17] <HaikuUser> I have a web browser now. I can put the stuff on dropbox !
[07:11:19] <HaikuUser> duh
[07:12:05] <OmniMancer> not necessarily
[07:12:14] <OmniMancer> dropbox doesn't like webpositive
[07:13:25] <cpr420> I haven't had a problem using it with webpositive
[07:13:57] <HaikuUser> haiku can handle mp3 files right ?
[07:14:02] <OmniMancer> hmmm maybe just me then :P
[07:14:03] <dru345> yes
[07:14:05] <OmniMancer> yes
[07:14:31] <dru345> i'll try dropbox here
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[07:15:51] <dru345> hmm had to shut down the vm to start dropbox
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[07:16:09] <HaikuUser> hey anybody tried using the email client yet ?
[07:16:21] <dru345> haiku email client?
[07:16:22] <dru345> i use it
[07:16:40] <HaikuUser> how do you configure it ?
[07:17:12] <dru345> there's a mail 'preflet' in preferences
[07:17:31] <HaikuUser> hang on I am trying to DL a dropbox file and play it.
[07:17:32] <dru345> E-mail, that is
[07:19:20] <HaikuUser> ah ok so how do I setup the email client. file is DLing
[07:20:16] <dru345> there's a 'preflet' in Preferences called E-Mail
[07:20:40] <HaikuUser> ok got it
[07:20:49] <HaikuUser> now what standard pop3 stuff ?
[07:21:09] <dru345> depends on your mail provider
[07:21:22] <HaikuUser> comcast
[07:21:30] <dru345> for mine their server is just "pop-server" but yours may be different.
[07:22:05] <dru345> you can check the settings in Outlook or whatever emailer you normally use in XP
[07:23:45] <HaikuUser> so what do I to check mail
[07:25:07] <dru345> double-click the Mail icon in Applications ?
[07:25:32] <dru345> whoops. that's to create mail
[07:25:55] <dru345> when you set up the account, click the Settings tab
[07:26:08] <dru345> you can have it check email for you automatically
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[08:00:22] <HaikuUser> how do you get sound to work ?
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[08:04:26] <dru345> HaikuUser you will need to installoptionpackage
[08:04:30] <dru345> o :/
[08:07:05] <OmniMancer> um
[08:07:34] <OmniMancer> I think the virtualised sound cards don't tend to work well with haiku
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[08:08:50] <dru345> they don't OmniMancer but you'll get sound via that OSS thing
[08:08:55] <dru345> OOS?
[08:08:59] <dru345> the linux thing :/
[08:09:01] <Duggan> OSS
[08:09:08] <dru345> lol
[08:09:15] <CK|iPod> Open Sound System
[08:09:20] <dru345> 10 downloads btw Duggan
[08:09:31] <Duggan> haha thanks
[08:09:32] <CK|iPod> Opensound or OSS for short
[08:09:51] * Duggan refreshes web+
[08:10:00] * CK|iPod wants some yummy WPA support in haiku
[08:13:28] <Duggan> so the guy said "5 stars just for the name" but he didn't even vote :P
[08:13:29] <Duggan> lol
[08:14:26] <CK|iPod> What are we downloading?
[08:14:33] <Duggan> PIT
[08:14:39] <CK|iPod> ?
[08:14:44] <Duggan> Personal Issue Tracker :)
[08:14:52] <CK|iPod> Ah :)
[08:14:58] <Duggan> give it a shot XD
[08:15:10] <dru345> http://haikuware.com/directory/view-details/development/miscellaneous/personal-issue-tracker
[08:15:30] <Duggan> let me know what you think, comments/criticisms/but reports/feature requests are always welcome :)
[08:15:38] <Duggan> and questions too
[08:15:41] <Duggan> thanks dru345 :)
[08:16:21] <Duggan> dru345 you see, the link you posted says "directory" and mine did before, but now all of a sudden its saying "remository"....
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[08:17:29] <Duggan> 10dl in <24hrs... on my way to over 300 a month now XD
[08:17:29] <Duggan> lol
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[08:19:48] <OmniMancer> CK|iPod: how good are you at kernel debugging?
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[08:20:32] <CK|iPod> OmniMancer: Sorry, I'm
[08:20:39] <CK|iPod> Still a dev in training
[08:20:51] <CK|iPod> Though in general I know how to debug
[08:21:01] <CK|iPod> But not in kernel
[08:22:11] <OmniMancer> :P
[08:22:31] <OmniMancer> the thing blocking wpa support is some bug in the wifi stack / kernel somewhere
[08:26:09] <CK|iPod> I heard axeld was on the case
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[08:30:31] <dru345> when does his latest contract expire?
[08:31:16] <Duggan> CK|iPod still a dev in training? hehe
[08:31:49] <CK|iPod> I'm totally not 15 or anything either *shot*
[08:32:28] <Duggan> hehe
[08:32:31] <Duggan> can you code?
[08:34:38] <MrSunshine__> gah i need another harddrive in my stationary computer so i can use haiku on it =)
[08:34:54] <CK|iPod> C++, C#, Objective-C, Python, PHP
[08:35:00] <MrSunshine__> but its hell on earth trying to get it out, and last time i added a harddrive it didnt even start :P
[08:35:00] <CK|iPod> Is what I know decently
[08:35:17] <Duggan> ah good stuff
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[08:38:59] <Duggan> hey mmu_screen
[08:39:52] <dru345> is it possible to just boot haiku to a terminal, no loading of tracker, deskbar, etc. is there support for that, or a full screen terminal ?
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[08:47:05] <yourpalal> dru345: I don't think that is supported, I'm not sure if Haiku has a terminal mode...
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[08:49:52] <OmniMancer> dru345: they failsafe mode might do that
[08:50:08] <dru345> will take a look
[08:51:00] <MrSunshine__> OmniMancer, http://ports.haiku-files.org/wiki/sys-devel/llvm <-- is there a patch or is stuff in the llvm source tree?
[08:51:53] <dru345> doesn't OmniMancer
[08:56:49] <OmniMancer> :/
[08:57:01] <OmniMancer> MrSunshine__: should compile from trunk
[08:57:08] <MrSunshine__> oki =)
[08:57:37] <dru345> MrSunshine__ still working on graphics drivers?
[08:57:46] <OmniMancer> if it doesn't then tell me
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[08:58:01] <MrSunshine__> dru345, havent done much at all :/ dont remember aything anymore either :P
[08:58:12] <dru345> ok :P
[08:58:56] <MrSunshine__> i wonder how aljens work is going tho =)
[08:58:58] <MrSunshine__> with gallium
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[08:59:12] <OmniMancer> slowly
[08:59:14] <OmniMancer> I think
[08:59:20] <Duggan> wb CK|iPod
[08:59:22] <OmniMancer> pay him money so he doesn't need to work :P
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[09:59:15] <Xeon3D> 'morning
[10:02:11] <dru345> hi Xeon3D
[10:03:54] <Duggan> hey Xeon3D
[10:03:57] <Duggan> been looking for you :P
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[10:04:12] <Duggan> how was slee... er work :)
[10:04:40] <Xeon3D> mannn
[10:04:52] <Xeon3D> I was awoken by 2 gorgeous swedes...
[10:05:05] <Xeon3D> how much better can it get?
[10:05:50] <Duggan> waking up next to 2 gorgeous swedes?
[10:06:05] <Xeon3D> on
[10:06:05] <Xeon3D> no
[10:06:09] <Xeon3D> oh
[10:06:10] <Xeon3D> right.
[10:06:12] <Xeon3D> :)
[10:06:18] <Duggan> need coffee?
[10:06:21] * Xeon3D is still sleepy
[10:06:23] <Xeon3D> yes ty
[10:06:33] <Duggan> screw off... MY COFFEE!
[10:06:42] <Xeon3D> meh
[10:06:45] <Duggan> hehe
[10:06:50] <Xeon3D> there's no coffee like portuguese coffee anyways
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[10:15:46] <dru345> h'lo PulkoMandy
[10:16:12] <Duggan> hey PulkoMandy
[10:18:30] <PulkoMandy> hi :)
[10:19:39] <Xeon3D> bonjour!
[10:19:45] <Xeon3D> ça va?
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[10:35:17] <CIA-54> yourpalal * r37782 /haiku/trunk/src/bin/ (Jamfile notify.rdef): Add an rdef file for /system/bin/notify which specifies the B_BACKGROUND_APP flag. Fixes #6399.
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[10:38:53] <jamy> http://haiku-user.info was die?
[10:40:23] <Xeon3D> jamy, haven't heard of that site before.
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[10:52:10] <marshan> morning
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[11:14:44] <StreaK|ON> hi all
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[11:18:30] <Duggan> hey StreaK|ON
[11:20:04] <StreaK|ON> hey Duggan..
[11:20:12] <StreaK|ON> ive just tested PIT
[11:20:42] <StreaK|ON> and it crashed, when You try to add a ticked without creating / opening db
[11:21:25] <StreaK|ON> btw.. can i connect pit with haiku tracker somehow?
[11:21:40] <Duggan> haha thanks :) AnEvilYak already pointed it out and its fixed, just not uploaded yet
[11:21:43] <StreaK|ON> to use it as bugs grabber
[11:21:54] <Duggan> you mean Trac?
[11:22:00] <StreaK|ON> jep
[11:22:05] <dru345> see Duggan :P
[11:22:07] <Duggan> not yet, but the idea's been thrown around... it seems pretty popular
[11:22:15] * dru345 throws
[11:22:50] <Duggan> so its likely to be implemented at some point in the future
[11:23:06] <StreaK|ON> because it seems to be completely offline :) .. so "personal" to me :)
[11:23:10] <StreaK|ON> yes yes, excellent
[11:23:14] <Duggan> exactly :P
[11:23:15] <Duggan> lol
[11:23:37] <StreaK|ON> but nice at the moment
[11:23:51] <Duggan> so what do you think? whats good about it? whats bad about it? what can be added? removed? replaced?
[11:24:08] <Duggan> I'm grilling as many people about it as I can :P
[11:24:20] <marshan> what's PIT?
[11:24:37] <marshan> other than the hardware interruptible timer
[11:24:49] <StreaK|ON> oh.. maybe its needed a little add on to download and convert trac database into sql db ?
[11:24:59] <Xeon3D> Problems Interactive Tracker ? :P
[11:25:09] <StreaK|ON> not rearrange all PIT
[11:25:28] <Teknomancer> hmm
[11:25:45] <Duggan> PIT is Personal Issue Tracker... a program I wrote and uploaded to haikuware yesterday
[11:25:45] <StreaK|ON> just a little addon that downloads trac db
[11:26:08] <Duggan> StreaK|ON I'll figure something out, don't worry :)
[11:26:18] <StreaK|ON> good :)
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[11:28:13] <Teknomancer> hi iIngenu
[11:28:24] <StreaK|ON> ah.. forgot to mention "Net ticket" / "view ticket" is too big in height
[11:28:38] <StreaK|ON> for netbooks..
[11:28:40] <StreaK|ON> :P
[11:28:41] <iIngenu> hi
[11:28:41] <dru345> hello Teknomancer
[11:28:48] <Teknomancer> hi dru345
[11:28:50] <Duggan> hey Teknomancer
[11:28:53] * iIngenu updated my CV
[11:28:54] <StreaK|ON> hi Teknomancer
[11:29:00] <Teknomancer> hello Duggan , StreaK|ON
[11:29:06] <Teknomancer> iIngenu: looking for a change? :P
[11:29:07] <iIngenu> need write covering letters now
[11:29:07] <StreaK|ON> new* ticket
[11:29:14] <Duggan> too big in height?
[11:29:19] <iIngenu> yes I'm wasting my time here
[11:29:25] <Teknomancer> irc?
[11:29:39] <iIngenu> I didn't learn anything technical in 8 months
[11:29:43] <iIngenu> huge failure
[11:29:46] <Teknomancer> ah
[11:29:50] <Duggan> btw, StreaK|ON... it does not use the layout system right now, but it will
[11:30:00] <Teknomancer> that's exactly the criteria i use to change as well
[11:30:08] <iIngenu> if I was *that* good I wouldn't care
[11:30:22] <iIngenu> but I feel that I still gave a lot to learn
[11:30:22] <Teknomancer> rarely the case :)
[11:30:24] <StreaK|ON> Duggan, mean.. its not fit in standard netbook screen, i need to resize it , but then OK button is missing.. :P
[11:30:33] <iIngenu> have*
[11:30:40] <Teknomancer> yes, probably if i was as good as geist or something I wouldn't bother either :P
[11:31:00] <Teknomancer> i'm still having problems with stupid ELF code :/
[11:31:04] <iIngenu> hehe
[11:31:31] <iIngenu> bbl getting tea
[11:31:35] <Teknomancer> tyt
[11:32:58] <StreaK|ON> Duggan > found another one -> click new ticket > and close new ticket window without saving > new ticket created anyway.. :/
[11:33:09] <dru345> :O
[11:33:10] <Duggan> StreaK|ON ok I understand
[11:33:18] <dru345> i saw that one but forgot to tell u :D
[11:33:29] <dru345> i should've made a ticket for it ;P
[11:33:33] <Duggan> StreaK|ON yeah that one's kind of strange... I handle it but my handling it doesn't handle it :P
[11:33:36] <StreaK|ON> ys :)
[11:34:03] <Duggan> oh I think I know what the problem was.... lemme check real quick
[11:35:29] * Xeon3D thinks Duggan is gonna handle the handling that should've handled what was supposed to be handling what wasn't being handled.
[11:35:49] <StreaK|ON> did you put save routine in "QuitRequested" , maybe?
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[11:38:20] <dru345> hello mmadia
[11:38:29] <mmadia> even'n
[11:39:29] <Teknomancer> hi mmadia
[11:40:05] <mmadia> how've you been Teknomancer?
[11:41:26] <StreaK|ON> need to go, CU
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[11:44:20] <yourpalal> wel, its off to bed for me!
[11:45:17] <dru345> goodnight yourpalal
[11:46:07] <Duggan> hey mmadia
[11:46:10] <Duggan> l8r yourpalal
[11:46:17] <iIngenu> there are a few BeOS users around here :)
[11:46:20] <Teknomancer> i've been fine mmadia, just busy
[11:46:31] * Teknomancer misses BeShare days
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[11:47:06] <iIngenu> BeShare was great
[11:47:21] <Teknomancer> yep
[11:47:23] <iIngenu> friendly community access + file sharing
[11:47:24] <Duggan> new version is up for anyone interested
[11:47:34] <phoudoin> was. Muscle is still! ;-)
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[11:47:46] <phoudoin> new PIT?
[11:47:53] <Duggan> yep
[11:47:54] <phoudoin> Hi Duggan
[11:47:54] <Teknomancer> + no ISP would threaten you with traffic peeking from beshare/muscle :P
[11:47:58] <Duggan> hey phoudoin
[11:48:16] <iIngenu> should be in Haiku, provided more people use it
[11:48:35] <OmniMancer> some ISPs just shape all traffic
[11:48:38] <Teknomancer> i'm sure if it's included, it can be revived
[11:48:56] <OmniMancer> also I dislike the need to forward ports
[11:49:04] <phoudoin> Does BeShare works already under Haiku?
[11:49:06] <OmniMancer> and the lack of UPnP support
[11:49:11] <OmniMancer> it does
[11:49:14] <phoudoin> and the MUSCLE beshare server?
[11:49:19] <OmniMancer> shrug
[11:49:46] <phoudoin> oh. So it's more a question of porting MUSCLE / fixing our net stack...
[11:50:12] <OmniMancer> there exists atleast one server still up...
[11:50:23] <iIngenu> I thought Haiku stack is good ?
[11:50:35] <OmniMancer> the net stack works
[11:50:38] <iIngenu> network
[11:50:54] <OmniMancer> would be nice if beshare supported UPnP for port forwarding
[11:51:05] <iIngenu> gah lame sentence of mine
[11:51:07] <OmniMancer> alternatively port eMule
[11:51:15] <phoudoin> someone knows why MUSCLE beshare server don't work then?
[11:51:26] <OmniMancer> I don't know if it does or does not
[11:51:33] <OmniMancer> I have only run BeShare
[11:51:42] <OmniMancer> there exists a muscle server already
[11:51:48] <mmadia> somewhere i've seen 2.28 for Haiku.
[11:51:53] <marshan> that's probably not running on Haiku
[11:52:54] <OmniMancer> what is wrong with Kadamlia or eDonkey? :P
[11:53:05] <Teknomancer> ugh @ eDonkey
[11:53:09] <Xeon3D> EWWWWW
[11:53:10] <phoudoin> Quick poll guys: do you prefer PowerStatus battery icon being horizontal (like today) or vertical (like... will see) ?
[11:53:22] <Xeon3D> vertical
[11:53:26] <OmniMancer> I don't care much :P
[11:53:37] <Xeon3D> Muscle 5.32 has haiku on it's makefile :P
[11:53:40] <Teknomancer> as long as it shows the status clearly i think either way is fine
[11:53:40] <OmniMancer> or torrents but only have the DHT :P
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[11:54:00] <Xeon3D> i like personal http servers :D
[11:54:09] <phoudoin> people used to mobile device may be more used to horizontal, but I find horizontal orientation being wastefull in deskbar
[11:54:11] <Xeon3D> or newsgroups
[11:54:24] <phoudoin> Xeon3D: +1
[11:54:25] <Xeon3D> phoudoin, +1
[11:54:29] <OmniMancer> make it diagonal or rotating
[11:54:31] <Xeon3D> lol
[11:54:50] <phoudoin> OmniMancer: rotating! Nice idea.
[11:55:09] <OmniMancer> :P
[11:55:11] <phoudoin> Pulsing and rotating. I'm a GUI god!
[11:55:22] <OmniMancer> or make it round then it has no horisontal or vertical
[11:55:44] <Xeon3D> phoudoin, here's an idea... make it beat like if it was a heart with the beating speed varying accordingly to the charge.
[11:55:56] <phoudoin> Well, for a start I'll make it filled from + to empty at - (today it's the reverse :-) )
[11:56:34] <phoudoin> Pulsing could be usefull for low level alert, I was not totally joking.
[11:56:50] <phoudoin> Rotating, otherwise, is, well...
[11:57:23] <Xeon3D> hmm curious...
[11:57:33] <Xeon3D> why people tend to use large icons on the desktop on Haiku
[11:57:35] <Xeon3D> :P
[11:57:42] <phoudoin> because they can?
[11:57:56] <Xeon3D> I have seen netbook screens with hueg 64 ou 128x128 icons :P
[11:58:02] <Xeon3D> waste of screen space? :P
[11:58:32] <Teknomancer> what else do you use desktop for?  storing other files?
[11:58:34] <phoudoin> because a overfilled desktop make you a productive guy?
[11:58:38] <Teknomancer> for so few shortcuts, i think large icons are good
[11:58:55] <Teknomancer> and when we have really HUUUUGE screens 128x128 will be small :P
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[11:59:50] <OmniMancer> like 18.4 inch laptop screens :P
[12:00:13] <Duggan> phoudoin it is more wasteful, I thought it was vertical before?
[12:00:15] <phoudoin> the next screens we will all use are mobile device screens. 128x128 will stay huge there.
[12:00:31] * Teknomancer has Two 24 inch screens here at the moment
[12:00:46] <Xeon3D> http://a.imageshack.us/img835/5662/workspace1003.png <- ?
[12:00:48] <phoudoin> IIRC, the PowerStatus icon was always horizontal, and emptying in the wrong way :-)
[12:01:48] <dru345> lol tiny icons
[12:02:05] <surrounder> Xeon3D: lawl
[12:02:11] <phoudoin> okay guys, someone have either visual deficiency or muscle motor issues... ;-)
[12:02:11] <surrounder> the icons scale nicely though :P
[12:02:36] <OmniMancer> there is no wrong way to empty a battery symbol
[12:02:38] <phoudoin> surrounder: you got it : people does it because it scale nicely now.
[12:02:54] <Duggan> well I for one would prefer vertical :)
[12:03:04] <x-pilot> Xeon3D: omg
[12:03:11] <Duggan> it would fit nicely right next to process controller
[12:03:20] <phoudoin> OmniMancer: symbolicaly, no. But there is definitively a wrong way to empty (or load)  a battery.
[12:03:26] <Xeon3D> I had the dock also magnified, but strangely the screenshot thing didn't get it...
[12:03:36] <Xeon3D> surrounder, svg icons rock :P
[12:04:10] <OmniMancer> if you load it the wrong way it is charging :P
[12:04:12] <dru345> speaking of icons Duggan needs one for PIT
[12:04:23] <marshan> Xeon3D is that Ubuntu?
[12:04:28] <phoudoin> I love the Icons screensaver for the same reason: I could see icons beautyfied there.
[12:04:40] <Xeon3D> Linux Chronos 2.6.34-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Mon Jul 5 21:03:38 UTC 2010 i686 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU P8700 @ 2.53GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
[12:05:04] <phoudoin> PIT icon: merge Tracker icon's dog with Bug icon?
[12:05:06] <marshan> gnome right?
[12:05:10] <Xeon3D> yup
[12:05:15] <marshan> where do you change the icon size?
[12:05:17] <Xeon3D> can't use anything else. :)
[12:05:24] <Xeon3D> right click icon -> Stretch
[12:05:30] <Duggan> phoudoin I thought that was trackers new icon?
[12:05:31] <Xeon3D> it's icon by icon...
[12:05:32] <Teknomancer> can't seem to find it here
[12:05:35] <Teknomancer> ugh
[12:05:37] <Teknomancer> that's fugly
[12:05:57] <Teknomancer> btw Teknomancer == marshan :) so don't get confused
[12:05:59] <Duggan> probably should've been tracker's icon all along hehe
[12:06:52] <Xeon3D> Teknomancer:
[12:06:59] <Teknomancer> this per-icon size is an overkill without "change all icons to ___ size"
[12:07:00] <Xeon3D> will work with desktop icons as well...
[12:07:13] <Xeon3D> ^^
[12:07:15] <Teknomancer> what if i want ONLY the desktop
[12:07:23] <Teknomancer> to have certain size icons ?
[12:07:24] <phoudoin> I think there is a gnome config to set default icon size...
[12:07:35] <Teknomancer> ah some gconf-editor
[12:07:36] <Teknomancer> perhaps
[12:07:46] <Teknomancer> i'll go hunting for that a little later ;)
[12:08:10] <phoudoin> That would be a well spent time...
[12:08:16] <phoudoin> :p
[12:08:25] <Teknomancer> hehe
[12:09:24] <phoudoin> Duggan: you didn't warn people about PIT's Haiku minimal revision and GCC flavor, did you,
[12:09:26] <phoudoin> ,
[12:09:28] <phoudoin> ?
[12:09:31] <phoudoin> (Grr)
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[12:09:40] <ali3n0> hi folks
[12:09:44] <phoudoin> hi ali3n0
[12:09:51] <Xeon3D> Teknomancer, Open gconf-editor, navigate to apps > nautilus > desktop > icon_view and see if the value for default_zoom_level does anything you like.
[12:09:54] <Xeon3D> hi ali3n0
[12:10:09] <ali3n0> Xeon3D, seen? I've reviewed my post ;)
[12:10:15] <Duggan> phoudoin the revision, yes
[12:10:19] <dru345> bluetooth mice/keyboards in haiku? yes? no? coming soon?
[12:10:27] <Xeon3D> ali3n0, nope, I rarely visit haikuware...
[12:10:41] <Xeon3D> and when I do is to get my wifi link drivers which I always forget to keep
[12:10:42] <ali3n0> ah, though you were the admin. nevermind
[12:10:45] <Xeon3D> noo :P
[12:10:48] <Duggan> and theres a mention in the talkback about needing sqlite
[12:10:54] <Xeon3D> I was the admin of PlanetHaiku :P
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[12:11:00] <ali3n0> wifi did work by the way, or at least driver finds the iface
[12:11:01] <Teknomancer> Xeon3D: that's the same setting as setting it from the GUI
[12:11:09] <Xeon3D> is it?
[12:11:16] <Duggan> I'll add it real quick...
[12:11:17] <Xeon3D> since it mentions desktop :P
[12:11:21] <ali3n0> I'm pretty new in haiku ecosphere sorry, don't know every site yet
[12:11:21] <phoudoin> ali3n0: oh, great new
[12:11:35] <Teknomancer> Xeon3D: hm wait i don't have that setting under "desktop"
[12:11:38] <Teknomancer> i only have it under "icon_view"
[12:11:40] <ali3n0> phoudoin,  unfortunately I've not way to test it
[12:12:08] <phoudoin> no hotspot nearby?
[12:12:18] <ali3n0> not with wep
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[12:12:41] <phoudoin> well, okay, but what you could check is if the driver detect WLAN nearby at least
[12:12:49] <Duggan> erm what kind of formatting does haikuware use? my line breaks keep going away :/
[12:12:51] <Xeon3D> Teknomancer, well I've also ready that that is not possible due to the desktop being drawn by nautilus as well.
[12:13:09] <phoudoin> it's ugly, but you should see wlan scan result dumped in /var/log/syslog
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[12:13:28] <marshan> Xeon3D hmm okay
[12:13:30] <marshan> lunch bbl
[12:13:39] <Duggan> l8r Teknomancer
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[12:13:44] <Xeon3D> Duggan, that's what you get by using Drupal as a base :/
[12:13:57] * Xeon3D doesn't like Drupal a bit.
[12:14:07] <Duggan> Xeon3D ok so theres no way to fix it? :P
[12:14:21] <ali3n0> phoudoin, I'm booting up, I'll tell you in a while
[12:14:22] <Xeon3D> tried using html's <br /> or <p> ?
[12:14:22] <phoudoin> Duggan: saw the "built on r37607", but I suggest to change it to "requires Haiku r37607 or sooner"
[12:14:44] <Xeon3D> sooner?
[12:14:46] <Duggan> phoudoin I'll change it as soon as I can figure out how to make my line breaks stay :/
[12:14:51] <phoudoin> later
[12:14:52] <phoudoin> sorry
[12:14:53] <Duggan> Xeon3D sooner or later
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[12:14:59] <Duggan> :P
[12:15:07] <Xeon3D> I'd go for "bigger"
[12:15:07] <Xeon3D> lol
[12:15:25] <phoudoin> if there is no wrong way to empty a battery icon, there should be no wrong way to travel in time!
[12:15:51] <Xeon3D> Duggan, sooner or later what's happening? :X
[12:16:49] <ali3n0> phoudoin, how do I scan for wifi hotspots?
[12:16:49] <OmniMancer> phoudoin: I mean emptying from negative or positive side doesn't matter
[12:17:30] <Duggan> Xeon3D somebody will use my program?
[12:18:04] <Xeon3D> Duggan, they already are using it...
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[12:18:25] <jamy> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yX8yrOAjfKM&feature=related
[12:18:26] <Xeon3D> OmniMancer, anyway one should start emptying from the positive side.
[12:18:46] <OmniMancer> why?
[12:18:48] <Xeon3D> as in imagine the battery as a bottle of coke.. and the coke being the energy...
[12:19:04] <OmniMancer> why not empty from the top of the horizontal battery :P
[12:19:04] * ali3n0 goes to have some lunch
[12:19:07] <Xeon3D> because that's how the rest of the world does it ? :X
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[12:19:45] <OmniMancer> why is the rest of the world right?
[12:19:47] <Xeon3D> I hate it when people invent words for stuff that already has a solid name.
[12:20:01] <Xeon3D> OmniMancer, Why isn't it?
[12:20:17] <mrsun> what are we angry at!? :)
[12:20:19] <phoudoin> ali3n0: it should do it periodically all alone, as soon the wifi driver is up
[12:20:20] <Xeon3D> like... preflets?
[12:20:42] * mrsun got himself a new 320gb harddrive .. time to get haiku on this computer =)
[12:20:44] <dru345> 'night o/
[12:20:49] <Xeon3D> bye dru345
[12:20:54] <mrsun> cost me my food for the rest of the month but hell i need to lose weight anyways :P
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[12:21:19] <away345> 'nite Xeon3D
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[12:21:44] <phoudoin> OmniMancer: I have one version of my pending patch which show empty horizontal battery from the top.
[12:22:11] <Xeon3D> phoudoin, make it a choice for the users
[12:23:16] <Duggan> Xeon3D haiku just "knows"... it doesn't need to ask :P
[12:23:22] <phoudoin> mrsum: the rest of the month is 3 days off. Cheap HD ;-)
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[12:24:13] <phoudoin> yep, Haiku knows what a battery icon should looks like.
[12:24:51] <phoudoin> Too bad it don't knows what a battery state means, though: discharging when plugged on DC?
[12:25:19] <phoudoin> I suspect ACPI is the guilty one here.
[12:25:41] <phoudoin> So, let's build BillardGL... and have lunch.
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[12:26:49] <phoudoin> Oh nice, german source filenames.
[12:27:08] <Duggan> lol
[12:27:15] <phoudoin> Netzwerk.cpp
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[12:27:27] <mrsun> k'naan wavin' Flag (Coca Cola) ... should be haikus theme song! =)
[12:32:12] <OmniMancer> :P
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[12:37:07] <mrsun> gah
[12:37:13] <mrsun> stupid coordinate systems in heekscad
[12:37:37] <phoudoin> BBL, lunch time (plus BillardGL is compiled, but I must implemente GLUT Game Mode before being able to link it...)
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[12:40:30] <leszek> hi
[12:43:25] <Anarchos> mrsun what is heekscad ?
[12:43:37] <mrsun> Anarchos, what i use to generate my gcode for my mill
[12:43:39] <mrsun> cad program =)
[12:43:58] <Anarchos> mrsun for computer electronics board ?
[12:44:08] <mrsun> huh ? :P
[12:44:18] <mrsun> atm im making a spices rack :P
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[12:45:05] <OmniMancer> for a CNC mill
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[12:45:41] <StreaK|ON> Guys -> Whate the heck it means? -> 1mb inaccessable -> http://omploader.org/vNTJpbw
[12:45:59] <OmniMancer> one MB is reserved for various things
[12:46:00] <StreaK|ON> since fev
[12:46:03] <OmniMancer> :P
[12:46:04] <mrsun> heh
[12:46:07] <mrsun> never seen that :P
[12:46:26] <StreaK|ON> rev's
[12:46:47] <StreaK|ON> ah, ok OmniMancer..
[12:47:07] <StreaK|ON> i though it indicates my ram are damaged
[12:47:18] <OmniMancer> in this case real mode bios calls I think
[12:47:22] <OmniMancer> no
[12:48:09] <StreaK|ON> uff, thx
[12:48:10] <StreaK|ON> :)
[12:49:18] <StreaK|ON> this "inaccesable" info could be confusing.. should be named "reserved"
[12:49:28] <StreaK|ON> or sth
[12:49:35] <StreaK|ON> similar
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[12:57:59] <Duggan> hrm...
[12:58:51] <Duggan> so I just tried building tracker...
[12:59:13] <Duggan> I stepped out for a few minutes and come back to over 1gb memory being eaten up
[12:59:24] <leszek> StreaK|ON: did you find a server or space for SPM ? I send you a mail few weeks ago mentioning wuala.com which gives you 1 GB and unlimited traffic. If you click my link you will get even 250MB more
[12:59:55] <leszek> I can resend the mail if you didn't get it
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[13:01:54] * PulkoMandy wonders what is SPM :)
[13:02:27] <leszek> PulkoMandy: Synthetic Package Manager
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[13:03:15] <PulkoMandy> oh
[13:03:36] <PulkoMandy> what do you need ? a package repository ?
[13:03:44] <marshan> is there an Organic Package Manager? :P
[13:04:39] <leszek> :P
[13:04:39] <leszek> PulkoMandy: StreaK|ON needs a cheap or free server for the archive
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[13:05:58] <leszek> I suggested wuala.com as I have good experiences with it and zevenos. You can get easily 10 GB of free space if you allow wuala to use 10 GB of your disk space. Of course you need about 14 % online time to get the full 10 GB
[13:06:20] <leszek> but its working quite nice
[13:08:33] <ali3n0> phoudoin, mmm, it isn't showing up anything, but I'm pretty sure there's an active wifi here around
[13:08:56] <PulkoMandy> mh
[13:09:38] <PulkoMandy> reminds me of this idea of a bittorrent-based package downloader/installer for some reason:)
[13:10:12] <ali3n0> leszek, what about dropbox?
[13:10:46] <leszek> ali3n0: dropbox has a traffic limit
[13:11:06] <ali3n0> ah, didn't know
[13:11:21] <leszek> a nasty traffic limit, as I couldn't access my own data when reaching the limit
[13:11:32] <PulkoMandy> "BUY NOW"
[13:11:39] <leszek> :)
[13:11:47] <ali3n0> how much for the pro version?
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[13:12:16] <ali3n0> I really can't notice, I just keep my config files updated and not much more
[13:12:42] <ali3n0> "3.5% of 2.8gb used"
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[13:25:35] <CIA-54> pulkomandy * r37783 /haiku/trunk/ (headers/os/locale/Collator.h src/kits/locale/Collator.cpp): * Collator API now actually uses ICU.
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[13:30:34] <Duggan> has there been any problems with jam in recent memory?
[13:31:28] <marshan> jam trashes the TLB too often? ;)
[13:31:46] <Duggan> TLB?
[13:31:53] <marshan> hehe, nevermind
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[13:32:19] <Duggan> I'm trying to build and jam is eating resources and doing nothing else
[13:33:00] <marshan> could be due to so many reasons
[13:33:13] <marshan> is your host swapping a lot? low memory?
[13:33:24] <marshan> is it an IO bottleneck?
[13:33:38] <Duggan> once jam eats all my memory up, yes
[13:33:52] <marshan> are you doing parallel building?
[13:33:56] <marshan> i.e. using all cores etc.?
[13:34:00] <Duggan> I kill it once it gets to 1.25Gb ram
[13:34:06] <marshan> try notching down the number of cores Jam uses (if it does)
[13:34:49] <marshan> brb, attending a sick box
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[13:36:33] <PulkoMandy> Duggan: jamming from haiku source tree, 1.25GB is usual
[13:37:06] <Duggan> seemed to be taking longer than usual.... haven't even gotten one ...patience... yet
[13:37:14] <PulkoMandy> if you don't want to build a full image, there are some tricks in userbuildconfig to not use the root jam and look only in a particular subdirectory
[13:41:35] <Duggan> thats what I started with
[13:41:40] <Duggan> I started trying to jam tracker
[13:41:52] <Duggan> but when it got up to 1.25gb of ram used I figured something was wrong
[13:42:02] <Duggan> just for tracker
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[13:42:43] <PulkoMandy> no, if you just jam Tracker it's expected
[13:43:04] <PulkoMandy> basically jamwill crawl the whole source tree and compute dependancies for every single file
[13:43:07] <OmniMancer> it jams everything tracker depends on
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[13:43:21] <OmniMancer> including libbe and libroot :P
[13:43:21] <PulkoMandy> yes
[13:43:30] <OmniMancer> so most of the OS
[13:43:36] <Duggan> figures :/
[13:43:56] <PulkoMandy> including the locale kit and many other things
[13:44:11] <PulkoMandy> if memory is low start off by jamming just libroot for example
[13:44:21] <PulkoMandy> and then build other parts going up
[13:45:47] <OmniMancer> kernel too maybe?
[13:45:52] <OmniMancer> or not?
[13:48:11] <Duggan> how much ram does it generally take?
[13:48:50] <OmniMancer> enough ram :P
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[14:04:47] <PulkoMandy> Duggan: I think it's up to 2GB when doing a full build
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[14:05:08] <PulkoMandy> at least Ioccasionally get "out of memory" errors on this machine with 2GB ram
[14:05:28] <Duggan> ok thanks PulkoMandy
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[14:09:23] <mrsun> yey haiku soon installed =)
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[14:24:47] <mrsun> yey
[14:24:49] <mrsun> in haiku =)
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[14:28:20] <intranut> hia ll
[14:28:28] <intranut> hi
[14:30:10] <intranut> what is the min space required to install in my hdd 5gb will do?
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[14:31:39] <mrsun> well a fresh install is about 700mb
[14:32:02] <mrsun> WOW
[14:32:08] <mrsun> even sound works in haiku directly after install =)
[14:32:13] <mrsun> had heaps of problems in linux with it
[14:32:22] <PulkoMandy> :)
[14:32:25] <PulkoMandy> linux is evil
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[14:33:03] <PulkoMandy> intranut: 700MB for alphas (with some software), about 200MB for dev builds with minimal system only
[14:33:10] <mrsun> and no more jittering in the sound
[14:33:10] <PulkoMandy> (no web browser etc)
[14:33:14] <marshan> do we have wireshark for Haiku yet?
[14:33:15] <mrsun> as it was last time i had haiku on this computer
[14:33:21] <marshan> or does it have any other native packet tracer?
[14:33:23] <marshan> like tcpdump
[14:33:32] <mrsun> now if only facebook would work in web+
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[14:35:15] <mrsun> haiku rules your boxors
[14:35:38] <intranut> so if i give 3gb free space to use it as full system is it enough
[14:38:05] <PulkoMandy> yes
[14:38:08] <intranut> 20gb hdd
[14:38:21] <PulkoMandy> I have a 1.5GB partition for my install
[14:38:24] <intranut> full install?
[14:38:28] <PulkoMandy> (keeping my data out of it)
[14:38:40] <intranut> ok
[14:38:48] <mrsun> i have a 60gb partition =)
[14:38:55] <mrsun> tho i intend to keep it and develop under it so :P
[14:38:57] <PulkoMandy> you may put some more for apps if you want :)
[14:39:08] <PulkoMandy> I have a bigger partition for my personal data
[14:39:22] <PulkoMandy> so I can wipe the system one and reinstall from time to time
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[14:41:49] <Trezker> that is a very good tactic
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[14:43:11] <marshan> sadly Haiku never booted fine on any of the real hardware i tried so far :/
[14:43:19] * marshan will wait longer
[14:43:26] <Trezker> one thing that bugs me about it though is that in Linux lots of preferences are also saved under /home and remains active for the new install
[14:43:43] <Trezker> Where does haiku save settings for system stuff?
[14:44:08] <marshan> haiku doesn't exactly have multi-user support yet afaik
[14:44:21] <marshan> so at the moment it's not all that relevant
[14:44:54] <PulkoMandy> Trezker: home/config/settings
[14:45:19] <PulkoMandy> and I think there's common/settings or something
[14:45:25] <PulkoMandy> but most of it is in home for now
[14:45:29] <PulkoMandy> (including kernel settings)
[14:47:04] <OmniMancer> think ssh settings live somewhere in /boot/common
[14:48:00] <Trezker> yeah, I see a network folder there too
[14:48:35] <mrsun> hell the sound is even alot nicer in haiku then in linux with alsa
[14:48:44] <Trezker> really?
[14:48:46] <mrsun> just alot nicer somehow
[14:48:54] <mrsun> its more uggly in linux :P
[14:49:09] <Trezker> heh, I think you're just mentally compromised by the qualiy of the OS in general
[14:49:14] <mrsun> haha :P
[14:49:32] <mrsun> just missing ALOT of tools that i need in haiku
[14:49:35] <mrsun> cnc software etc :P
[14:50:23] <mrsun> but it feels like haiku has improved alot in the like half year i havent used it
[14:50:33] <mrsun> (im on haiku svn head atm)
[14:52:36] <OmniMancer> porting time mrsun
[14:52:59] <mrsun> OmniMancer, well ... then i would have to port wxwidgets, wine etc :P
[14:53:03] <mrsun> so no thanks =)
[14:53:11] <OmniMancer> nonono
[14:53:16] <OmniMancer> then rewrite :P
[14:53:20] <mrsun> lol
[14:53:23] <mrsun> like this kid at a part
[14:53:30] <mrsun> "wouldnt you be able to program me an os to do blabla"
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[14:53:46] <ali3n0> hi folks
[14:53:49] <mrsun> so i replayed "haiku has gone on for like 9 years and still not production quality os ... so how about NO!!!"
[14:53:51] <mrsun> :P
[14:54:03] <OmniMancer> at a part?
[14:54:11] <PulkoMandy> party :)
[14:54:39] <mrsun> party  ... :P
[14:54:42] <mrsun> duh :)
[14:55:16] <mmu_screen> mrsun: there is already a wx port attempt (2nd actually)
[14:55:28] <mmu_screen> http://dev.osdrawer.net/projects/wx-haiku
[14:56:11] <mrsun> and the biggest beast of them all ... opencascade
[14:56:14] <mrsun> that depends on java :P
[14:58:31] * PulkoMandy needs either kicad or eagle
[14:58:40] <PulkoMandy> or is there some similar software for haiku ?
[14:59:05] <mrsun> need boost and openmp also :/
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[14:59:18] <PulkoMandy> that should be ok
[14:59:27] <PulkoMandy> they are on ports.haiku-files.org I think
[15:00:13] <intranut> so in Haiku mp3 will play without any external software
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[15:00:28] <PulkoMandy> yes, why not
[15:00:35] <intranut> cool
[15:00:42] <PulkoMandy> ogg and wma too
[15:00:52] <PulkoMandy> and some other formats I don't even know about, likely :)
[15:01:08] <mrsun> not binaries atleast
[15:02:53] <intranut> i am excited my cd is ready to boot from Haiku and try to install in my hdd
[15:02:59] <intranut> wish me goodluck
[15:03:02] <PulkoMandy> http://haikuware.com/directory/view-details/development/class-libraries/boost
[15:03:06] <PulkoMandy> here, binaries
[15:03:52] <mrsun> i searched there but didnt find
[15:03:55] <mrsun> bad search function
[15:05:37] <PulkoMandy> I just typed boost
[15:05:49] <mrsun> so did i =)
[15:05:50] <mrsun> haha
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[15:07:44] <tqh> btw ppl which have computers that don't boot Haiku, plz report bugs or add a comment on existing bug that it's broken on your computer as well. We need reports to fix issues.
[15:08:18] <mrsun> so far i havent found a single issue on my computer =)
[15:08:55] <tqh> nice
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[15:11:27] <phoudoin> mrsun: you could also report the lack of issue :-) but on HaikuWare hardware matrix.
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[15:12:01] <phoudoin> To reply your above two questions, no we don't have a WireShark port but yes we do have tcpdump.
[15:12:32] <CIA-54> pulkomandy * r37784 /haiku/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs):
[15:12:32] <CIA-54> * Fix collator text
[15:12:32] <CIA-54> * Fix archiving/unarchiving to provide at least a valid object. However, ICU archiving system doesn't look like it's working well.
[15:12:32] * ali3n0 loves tcpdump
[15:12:50] <mrsun> gonna test the usb stuff
[15:12:54] <marshan> thakns phoudoin
[15:12:56] <mrsun> always had problem with that on all my computers
[15:13:05] <marshan> i thought it was -me- that asked about tcpdump :P
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[15:18:44] <phoudoin> marshan: two birds with a stone :p
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[15:19:04] <marshan> :)
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[15:23:17] <mrsun> aparently need boost_python also
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[15:24:42] <michaelvo> hi folks
[15:25:10] <michaelvo> PulkoMandy: you have the fix por SDL +1 pixel bug ? :P
[15:25:17] <michaelvo> for
[15:28:23] <PulkoMandy> no
[15:28:33] <PulkoMandy> I tried but didn't manage to compile .so from sdl
[15:28:42] <PulkoMandy> so I reported the bug to sdl bugzilla
[15:28:50] <PulkoMandy> if you find a patch, tell me
[15:32:43] <CIA-54> phoudoin * r37785 /haiku/trunk/src/libs/mesa/glut/ (glut_util.c glutint.h): Reduce warnings noise/signal a bit under gcc4
[15:33:30] <phoudoin> michaelvo: the SDL window increasing by 1 pixel each time they changes workspace?
[15:33:47] <michaelvo> But i't in BWindow implementation... I filled a ticket there about SDL+OpenGL 9 months ago, and I have no answer
[15:34:19] <phoudoin> in SDL's implementation using BWindow, or *our* BWindow?
[15:34:23] <PulkoMandy> phoudoin: yes, that one
[15:34:34] <phoudoin> It's a fun bug, though.
[15:34:36] <michaelvo> phoundoin: yes.. but is not only changing workspace. If you click in the desktop, the window will increase too.. See Mplayer port
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[15:35:05] <PulkoMandy> I think one of them use 0-based size and not the other one
[15:35:13] <mmu_screen> michaelvo: the current SDL BeOS code is broken anyway, probably noone maintains it anymore
[15:35:13] <michaelvo> No.. it's all about SDL Bwindow :D
[15:35:22] <mmu_screen> so bg reports... unless you send a patch...
[15:35:31] <phoudoin> sounds like a bug in WindowActivated() hook then
[15:35:37] <michaelvo> hahaha! sad but true
[15:35:42] <mmu_screen> I started fixing the BWindow stuff but I'm busy
[15:36:27] <michaelvo> phoudoin: with Glut game functions VegaStrike will work! \º/ it already builds without :D
[15:37:09] <phoudoin> I'm working on it. BilliardGL is waiting...
[15:37:44] <michaelvo> With the right fixes in SDL, I think that 150 more apps/games could ship in Haiku today
[15:39:07] <mmadia> but isnt your sdl package only workin on gcc4hybrids?
[15:39:35] <phoudoin> I don't plan to implemente joystick support yet, though. Tha API will be there, but GLUT will report no joystick supported.
[15:39:54] <michaelvo> nope;; I already builds games that use SDL gcc2.. the same problem occours
[15:40:27] <phoudoin> I also hope to find time to fix the hybrid GL renderers support, currently broken.
[15:40:28] <michaelvo> phoudoin: ok! without joystick. Showing stuff on the screen is better :D
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[15:41:54] <phoudoin> This GLUT implementation is a mess. I agree with Axeld, we should reimplement it from scratch one day, maybe porting from openglut or freeglut.
[15:42:09] <phoudoin> I dunno which one is a better basis, both code and license-wise.
[15:43:37] <phoudoin> Regarding SDL, someone knows if Hg (Mercurial client) works behind a proxy under Haiku?
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[15:44:06] <michaelvo> I was working on OpenGlut yesterday. but have many definitions there for wgl and glx.. and Haiku don't have anything that could replace it
[15:44:18] <gluon_> started having hard freezes which didn't happen a couple of days ago, is there anything I can do to debug?
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[15:46:05] <PulkoMandy> gluon_: you can get the syslog after a warm reset
[15:46:14] <PulkoMandy> and save it to anusb stick
[15:46:27] <PulkoMandy> (you have to use the boot menu for that)
[15:47:37] <gluon_> hm, I'm having to cold reset :\
[15:48:06] <gluon_> which is weird bc it didn't happen for a month
[15:48:14] <gluon_> but started happening yesterday
[15:51:42] <CIA-54> phoudoin * r37786 /haiku/trunk/src/libs/mesa/glut/ (Jamfile glutGet.cpp): Expanded glutDeviceGet() support. Now reports the key repeat settings I added a few days ago.
[15:52:41] <phoudoin> michaelvo: See, that's official: glutDeviceGet(GLUT_HAS_JOYSTICK) will returns 0 ;-)
[15:53:34] <michaelvo> \o/ MARVELOUS! Thank you phoudoin!
[15:53:37] <phoudoin> And until we have USB joystick support, it will stay that way.
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[15:53:59] <phoudoin> Okay, back to screen mode switching paradise...
[15:55:19] <michaelvo> hahaha!
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[16:01:23] <intranut> do i need to write to menu.lst manually after succesful installation?
[16:02:15] <PulkoMandy> if you use grub, yes
[16:02:28] <PulkoMandy> if you use our bootmanager called bootman, there is no menu.lst
[16:04:58] <intranut> yea grub
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[16:06:11] <michaelvo> rebooting to Haiku
[16:06:12] <intranut> what should i write my haiku is installed on /dev/sda7
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[16:09:11] <PulkoMandy> intranut: chainload it like a windows install
[16:09:30] <PulkoMandy> something like root=(hd0,6) \n chainloader +1
[16:09:45] <intranut> oki
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[16:13:00] <mmu_screen> intranut: if you use ubuntu or debian you can try http://revolf.free.fr/beos/60haiku
[16:14:17] <mmu_screen> wget it; then
[16:14:32] <mmu_screen> sudo mv 60haiku /usr/lib/os-probes/mounted
[16:14:39] <mmu_screen> sudo update-grub2
[16:14:49] <mmu_screen> it should detect Haiku partitions automatically
[16:14:56] <intranut> yes i am on mint
[16:15:10] <mmu_screen> well if you use grub2 it should work anyway
[16:15:16] <mmu_screen> if it uses os-prober
[16:15:30] <mmu_screen> try as sudo os-prober
[16:15:34] <mmu_screen> to see if it's installed
[16:15:42] <intranut> ok
[16:15:54] <mmu_screen> note you have to have the Haiku partition mounted when doing that as it walks the mount list
[16:16:02] <mmu_screen> (with befs, not bfs-fuse)
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[16:17:13] <phoudoin> mmu_screen: what about writing this GRUB2 os-probes trick in the Installer documentation?
[16:17:44] <mmu_screen> I'll try to push it upstream
[16:18:38] <phoudoin> even better, except for people not updating their grub2 automatically...
[16:18:47] <phoudoin> upgrading
[16:18:56] <intranut> it says grub2 not found
[16:19:23] <mmu_screen> intranut: update-grub2
[16:19:26] <CIA-54> pulkomandy * r37787 /haiku/trunk/src/ (kits/locale/Collator.cpp tests/kits/locale/collatorTest.cpp):
[16:19:26] <CIA-54> * Fix some issues in collators archiving and key computation
[16:19:26] <CIA-54> * The test now pass. But unarchiving still isn't working and restores the default collator instead of the archved one.
[16:19:29] <intranut> ok
[16:20:07] <mmu_screen> os-prober should give you a list anyway
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[16:28:38] <CIA-54> phoudoin * r37788 /haiku/trunk/src/libs/mesa/glut/ (Jamfile glutState.h): Ooops, should not have been commited yet. Sorry.
[16:30:01] <mrsun> hmm does openmp have to be compiled into the compiler somehow ?
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[16:42:11] <CIA-54> pulkomandy * r37789 /haiku/trunk/ (headers/os/locale/Collator.h src/kits/locale/Collator.cpp): * Style fixes pointed out by Axel.
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[16:51:49] <Anarchos> i am on alpha. which gcc (2 or 4) to use and which flags to pass to get source code in Debugger ?
[16:54:03] <CIA-54> pulkomandy * r37790 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/locale/TimeZone.cpp: * Fix wrong function call in TimeZone.Code() leading to a localized string being returned instead of the expected code.
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[16:56:18] <Anarchos> and which is the recommended gcc
[16:58:24] <phoudoin> gcc -g
[16:58:37] <phoudoin> both should work
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[16:59:37] <Anarchos> i tried with an empty main function and i only see assembly :/
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[17:09:48] <PulkoMandy> Anarchos: debuger needs the sourcecode to show anything else
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[17:09:57] <PulkoMandy> maybe it can't access it or don't knowwhere it is ?
[17:11:19] <Anarchos> PulkoMandy i compile and debug from the same dir
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[17:20:29] <CIA-54> phoudoin * r37791 /haiku/trunk/src/libs/mesa/glut/ (glutEvent.cpp glutWindow.h): Fixed warnings about ErrorCallback() hidding BGLView method. Should works as expected now. Plus, no more warnings. Yeah.
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[17:22:11] <phoudoin> time to go reclaim my car. bbl.
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[17:38:01] <Anarchos> PulkoMandy in fact i have source code in debugger with g++ not gcc (coming with alpha2)
[17:39:42] <PulkoMandy> mh
[17:39:51] <PulkoMandy> for C++ I'd say that'sexpected
[17:40:00] <PulkoMandy> for C, gcc should work
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[17:41:23] <Anarchos> gcc-lib/i586-pc-haiku/2.95.3-haiku-100420/specs gcc version 2.95.3-haiku-100420
[17:41:50] <oxoocoffee> Hello guys
[17:42:29] <marshan> hey oxoocoffee
[17:43:06] <oxoocoffee> I read axeld post . really cool work.
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[18:23:14] <CIA-54> zooey * r37792 /haiku/trunk/src/preferences/time/ (24 files):
[18:23:14] <CIA-54> Cleanup, no functional change
[18:23:14] <CIA-54> * coding style adjustements
[18:23:14] <CIA-54> * fixed all warnings
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[18:58:16] <dancxjo> Yo, yo, Haikuzoids!
[18:58:29] <marshan> Yo
[18:59:11] <dancxjo> Anything of great import happening?
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[19:05:30] <CIA-54> axeld * r37793 /haiku/trunk/ (18 files in 13 dirs):
[19:05:30] <CIA-54> * Applied next work in progress patch by Atis that takes into account most of
[19:05:30] <CIA-54> my comments so far. Thanks!
[19:06:35] <dancxjo> I have a question about legal issues.
[19:06:56] <mmadia> ... what type of legal issues?
[19:07:00] <dancxjo> If it were possible to obtain some translations from Zeta...could those be adapted legally for Haiku?
[19:07:25] <dancxjo> Translations aren't really copyrighted, are they?
[19:07:34] <mmadia> mmu_screen : any idea on this?
[19:08:28] <marshan> hmm, don't think just copying stuff is a good idea, but not sure if it's a purely legal issue
[19:08:37] <marshan> ethically we're better off with original translations IMHO
[19:09:00] <dancxjo> What if I put them into a suggestion database
[19:09:16] <dancxjo> That would have to be approved of by translation managers?
[19:09:38] <dancxjo> (Similar to the way HTA-Pootle uses Gnome/KDE translations)
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[19:12:24] <dancxjo> Who is vasper at beosmax dot org?
[19:15:59] <mmadia> vasper used to build and provide the BeOSMax images.
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[19:17:25] <dancxjo> He had some Greek translations for Zeta on his beosmax webpage...just curious
[19:17:47] <dancxjo> anyway
[19:17:51] <dancxjo> just checking
[19:18:20] <dancxjo> I'm going to continue work on my Zend extension now...a nice break from HTA
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[19:20:55] <humdinger> hey yourpalal. You're the king of the layout kit, right?
[19:21:13] <yourpalal> haha, I don't know about that, but whats your question?
[19:21:55] <humdinger> Nothing specific. I was wondering if you plan to write some more examples who it's used after your gsoc's done.
[19:22:07] <humdinger> who-> how...
[19:22:11] <humdinger> pfft
[19:22:27] <yourpalal> yes, I do, I'm also going to be documenting the classes in the HaikuBook
[19:22:43] <humdinger> cool. looking forward to it!
[19:22:47] <yourpalal> :D
[19:23:05] <humdinger> btw, when's gsoc over?
[19:23:17] <yourpalal> hmm. Its over in August some time
[19:23:24] <yourpalal> I'm not sure of the exact date :P
[19:23:57] <humdinger> so, one last hectic month.
[19:25:13] <yourpalal> haha, I think so!
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[19:34:42] <CIA-54> axeld * r37794 /haiku/trunk/ (43 files in 24 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[19:34:42] <CIA-54> * Reworked the complete stack to allow more than one address per network
[19:34:42] <CIA-54> interface - this caused quite a number of changes.
[19:34:42] <CIA-54> * Network interfaces, and its addresses are now reference counted (not yet
[19:34:42] <CIA-54> complete, though, InterfaceAddresses need to hold references to their
[19:34:43] <CIA-54> interface as well).
[19:34:43] <CIA-54> * There are two known regressions of this commit that I will fix later:
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[19:40:54] <humdinger> Crikey. Contracting axeld seems to pay off...
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[19:45:55] <havokmalo> Axeld is contracted it work on Haiku?
[19:46:38] <mmadia> yes for 120hours, with a focus on networking issues.
[19:47:07] <yourpalal> havokmalo: http://www.haiku-os.org/news/2010-07-14_opportunity_pay_axel_code_haiku
[19:47:15] <mmadia> in 42hours after publishing an article about this, over $3,500 was donated
[19:47:29] <mmadia> err,  $3,000.
[19:47:51] <mmadia> (over $3,500 is closer to the final tally)
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[19:56:25] <CIA-54> axeld * r37795 /haiku/trunk/src/libs/compat/freebsd_network/compat/net/if.h: * Should have been part of the last commit.
[19:58:24] <helf> wow
[19:58:29] <helf> thats a good donation turn out
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[20:23:21] <Anarchos> what is the keyword in ifdef for c or cplusplus condition ? __cplusplus__ ?
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[20:30:46] <yourpalal> Anarchos: __cplusplus I think
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[20:52:21] <Duggan> hi all
[20:52:29] <RQ> hi
[20:53:45] <Duggan> tried my program yet? :)
[20:55:02] <Duggan> Personal Issue Tracker on haikuware... seems people think its useful, so if you think it'd help, feel free to give it a shot :)
[20:55:48] <RQ> not yet
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[22:00:00] <CIA-54> yourpalal * r37796 /haiku/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs):
[22:00:00] <CIA-54> Update BTabView for layout-friendly archiving. Added _InitContainerView() method
[22:00:00] <CIA-54> that is called from _InitObject() but also called on its own during unarchival.
[22:00:00] <CIA-54> Implemented BTabView::AllUnarchived() and implemented a case for this in
[22:00:00] <CIA-54> BTabView::Perform().
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[22:09:05] <CIA-54> mmadia * r37797 /haiku/trunk/build/jam/NetBootArchive: Fixed the haiku-netboot-archive, as ipv4_datagram was removed in r37794.
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[22:11:55] <ali3n0> hi folks
[22:12:18] <ali3n0> is there a shortcut to "click" on the deskbar?
[22:12:31] <RQ> what do you mean?
[22:12:41] <mmadia> try the 'menu' key.
[22:12:56] <ali3n0> mmadia, exactely
[22:13:07] <ali3n0> didn't even think about that key
[22:13:50] <mmadia> there may be a bug of not being 'unclick' using just the keyboard or something ... maybe pressing the menu key twice.
[22:14:23] <RQ> Is there a bug to make it call context menu instead?
[22:14:31] <cpr420> escape will do it, but you have to hit it twice to completely deselect it
[22:14:49] <ali3n0> yep I've noticed
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[22:19:06] <mmadia> from a GSoC mailing list : "Code for America Accepting Applications for Fellows"  http://codeforamerica.org/fellows/
[22:19:49] <ali3n0> I suggest to add the "hit the menu" button here somewere: file:///boot/system/documentation/userguide/en/deskbar.html
[22:20:51] <mmadia> filing that as an enhancement ticket will make sure humdinger sees it.
[22:20:53] <Anarchos> what is the ellipsis in C++ types ? f(...) ?
[22:22:15] <yourpalal> Anarchos: varargs
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[22:22:43] <Anarchos> yourpalal i have to declare my function as void * f(varargs a) ?
[22:23:15] <yourpalal> no, f(...) is the declaration that it can take a variable amount of args
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[22:24:09] <Anarchos> yourpalal can i type "typedef value (*c_primitive)(...);"
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[22:25:53] <yourpalal> I don't think so, see this page for how to deal with them http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stdarg.h
[22:26:23] <Duggan> hi guys
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[22:40:34] <Anarchos> yourpalal ok , how to cast fucntion types in c++ to add arguments ?
[22:42:38] <yourpalal> what do you mean, to cast a  value (*someFunc)(...) to a value (*someFunc)(someType, ...) ?
[22:42:51] <Anarchos> yes
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[22:44:46] <yourpalal> I'm not really sure, I would just write a little app to try it, if it works, yay! But I'm not sure how varargs affect the calling convention (I assume they get pushed on the stack too, but I don't know if there is extra info there as well)
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[22:49:58] <PulkoMandy> quick stupid question : I want to add a "description" attribute to some files and show it in tracker, how would I do this ?
[22:50:41] <cpr420> have you already added the attribute?
[22:52:49] <VinDuv> PulkoMandy: IIRC, you need to create a special file type or change the original one
[22:52:50] <PulkoMandy> I'm not sure what I did :)
[22:52:54] <VinDuv> see http://svn.haiku-os.org/haiku/haiku/trunk/docs/userguide/fr/workshop-filetypes+attributes.html
[22:55:15] <PulkoMandy> thanks
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[23:50:15] <gluon_> who's in 'charge' of importing the latest freebsd wlan driver revisions into haiku?
[23:50:51] <mmadia> axel might  be doing that as part of his contract.
[23:51:08] <gluon_> there's a serious problem in haiku's current revision which was already addressed in freebsd's HEAD
[23:51:11] <kirilla> korli imports a lot
[23:51:11] <gluon_> oh nice
[23:51:48] <gluon_> the infamous atheros chip hangs
[23:51:48] <tqh> gluon_, file a bug/task about updating it
[23:51:52] <mmadia> if you can submit an ticket, with a reference to that, it may spark axel's priority :)
[23:52:13] <gluon_> alright, I should create the ticket soon
[23:52:28] <gluon_> I'm trying the new code myself before to see if it works
[23:52:51] <tqh> even better :)
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[23:56:13] <mmadia> gluon : http://www.haiku-os.org/blog/axeld/2010-07-27_network_stack_update#comment-16612

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