July 26, 2010 
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July 26, 2010 [00:00:01] <PulkoMandy> variable over time[00:00:19] <PulkoMandy> I'd say 4 right now, but there were more than 10 at some point[00:00:36] *** rkbm has joined #haiku[00:00:59] <Duggan> haha ok[00:12:09] <MYOB> can a GCC4 binary load GCC2 SDL libraries on a gcc2hybrid?[00:13:53] <Duggan> my answer is no it can't[00:13:55] *** Sir_Konrad has joined #haiku[00:16:03] <CIA-54> zooey * r37744 /haiku/trunk/src/tools/locale/Catalog.cpp:[00:16:03] <CIA-54> * remove dead code[00:16:03] <CIA-54> * automatic whitespace cleanup[00:16:10] <Anarchos> Duggan i thought it was the job of runtime_loader, and in case of gcc2hybrid the answer is yes, or i am wrong ??[00:16:55] <MYOB> was that a lucky guess?[00:17:08] <MYOB> installed michael oliveria's gcc4 SDL off haikuware and its working[00:17:33] <Duggan> gcc4 SDL != gcc2 SDL[00:17:51] <Duggan> a program compiled with gcc4 needs gcc4 libraries, a program compiled with gcc2 needs gcc2 libraries[00:18:17] <cpr420> that's only for C++ libs though (SDL is mixed c/c++)[00:18:24] <Duggan> Anarchos yes, the runtime loader determines which libraries to load, but if the program was compiled with gcc4 it won't load gcc2 libraries[00:18:52] *** kirilla has quit IRC[00:18:53] <Duggan> cpr420 in the case of c libraries, I don't know[00:19:05] <cpr420> c libraries share abi and don't care[00:19:48] <Duggan> but if SDL is a mixture of the two, I'd say the c++ overrides the c in that case as any of the c++ api would be required to be built appropriately[00:20:03] <Duggan> unless there are no public c++ api calls[00:20:36] <cpr420> right, if there is any c++ at all then it needs libraries with the same abi[00:21:20] <Duggan> yes, so in the case of a gcc4 SDL program, it would need the gcc4 SDL libraries, which is why the gcc4 libraries MYOB is using works[00:21:33] <Duggan> but the question was whether gcc2 libs would work with a gcc4 program, and in that case the answer is no[00:21:43] <cpr420> it will if it's in c[00:21:45] <Duggan> ... for a c++ api[00:21:58] <Duggan> the question was specifically with respect to SDL[00:22:26] <Duggan> and i don't know SDL but if any of its public api is c++, then yes, gcc2 libs will not work for a gcc4 program[00:22:48] <PulkoMandy> SDL api is pure C...[00:23:07] <Duggan> PulkoMandy then it wouldn't matter :P[00:24:26] <cpr420> it has c++ classes internally that use the BeAPI so I think that's where the abi problems arise[00:24:30] <MYOB> the error in question was in relation to SDL and BDirectWindow anyway so it was SDL itself not the C app[00:24:43] <MYOB> anyway, need to relink the program at the very least as I'm getting mental gfx corruption[00:24:48] *** Barrett has quit IRC[00:24:54] <Duggan> cpr420 then yes that could affect it as well[00:25:36] <Duggan> how do you convert an account from a user account to a dev account on haikuware?...[00:26:04] <PulkoMandy> ah, yes[00:26:49] <Duggan> I guess you have to submit software :P...[00:27:34] *** augdawg has joined #haiku[00:27:39] <Duggan> hey augdawg[00:28:28] <augdawg> hey Duggan[00:28:37] <augdawg> hows it going[00:28:51] <Duggan> its going, how about you?[00:29:10] <augdawg> im pretty good.[00:29:35] <augdawg> i actually have to go. i might see you later[00:29:36] <augdawg> bye![00:29:43] <Duggan> l8r[00:29:58] <augdawg> bye ill probably be on later tonite[00:30:45] <Duggan> alright[00:30:47] <Duggan> see you then[00:32:26] <CIA-54> zooey * r37745 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/shared/StringForSize.cpp: * fix lost translation strings of StringForSize[00:34:25] *** augdawg has quit IRC[00:35:52] <Disreali> Haiku support is almost complete for NetBSD's pcksrc http://mail-index.netbsd.org/pkgsrc-users/2010/04/19/msg012055.html[00:37:10] <cpr420> old news :P[00:38:05] <Sir_Konrad> cpr420: hehehe... XD[00:38:15] *** Shisui has quit IRC[00:39:32] *** PasNox has quit IRC[00:42:43] *** toni__ has joined #haiku[00:44:02] <Duggan> hey Disreali[00:44:08] <CIA-54> zooey * r37746 /haiku/trunk/ (4 files in 4 dirs):[00:44:08] <CIA-54> * improved the locale kit build rules and headers to use a different set of[00:44:08] <CIA-54> B_TRANSLATE-macros when running collectcatkeys, simplifying the regex a lot[00:44:08] <CIA-54> * added B_TRANSLATE_NOCOLLECT...-macros for the case where a non-literal[00:44:08] <CIA-54> string shall be translated, but not picked up by collectcatkeys[00:46:25] *** warpdesign has quit IRC[00:47:52] *** Meanwhile has quit IRC[00:49:20] <MYOB> there's something very strange happening with that SDL build...[00:53:13] *** robert_ has quit IRC[00:54:06] *** robert_ has joined #haiku[00:54:58] <CIA-54> zooey * r37747 /haiku/trunk/src/ (23 files in 10 dirs):[00:54:58] <CIA-54> * fixed all build warnings by collectcatkeys that I found[00:54:58] <CIA-54> * automatic whitespace cleanup[00:57:52] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[00:59:02] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[00:59:21] *** acoos has quit IRC[01:00:02] *** StreaK|ON has joined #haiku[01:00:09] <StreaK|ON> hi all[01:00:36] <StreaK|ON> guys, do we have mkbfs in haiku ? i couldnt find it..[01:00:50] <StreaK|ON> or some replacement?[01:00:53] <mmadia> it's mkfs these days.[01:00:58] <StreaK|ON> :)[01:01:05] <StreaK|ON> thx, mmadia[01:01:05] <StreaK|ON> :)[01:04:11] <l_n> mmadia: due to the avail. of mult. fs's, correct?[01:05:05] <mmadia> pretty sure -- though i really haven't tried making anything other than BFS in Haiku[01:07:10] <MYOB> anyone know how to specify a version in haikuporter?[01:07:48] <cpr420> just use the full name port-x.y.z[01:07:59] <MYOB> cpr420 thanks[01:13:50] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[01:20:03] <Duggan> hey StreaK|ON[01:22:09] <StreaK|ON> hey Duggan[01:22:40] <dru345> finish that bcolumnlistview test app yet, Duggan? ;)[01:26:37] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[01:26:47] *** HaikuUser is now known as dru345-haiku[01:28:24] <Duggan> hey dru345[01:28:29] <Duggan> dru345 no :P[01:31:00] *** srbaker has quit IRC[01:31:28] <dru345> :([01:32:26] <dru345> you've had 3.5 hrs Duggan :P[01:33:19] <Duggan> you'll get over it :P[01:33:22] <Duggan> lol[01:33:32] <Duggan> I'm working on adding some BMenuFields[01:33:39] <Duggan> actually I'm working on fixing what I did last night...[01:34:27] <Duggan> I'm thinking I might have to put some goodies up on pastebin just so I can show off how jacked up this code is :/[01:35:10] <Duggan> how does this look? :P[01:35:12] <Duggan> ClsDataNode *head = *((ClsDataNode**)clsdn);[01:35:47] <dru345> fun :P[01:35:56] <Duggan> its not :/[01:36:32] *** Adek336 has quit IRC[01:36:41] <Duggan> maybe somebody can help me with it now... lol[01:36:58] <l_n> is that a pointer to a typecast multidimensional array?[01:37:14] <dru345> it's... (censored) :P[01:37:27] * l_n 's head explodes trying to mentally figure out the dereferencing[01:37:39] <Duggan> lol no but close[01:37:53] <Duggan> its a linked list passed by reference into a void pointer[01:38:07] <CIA-54> mmadia * r37748 /haiku/trunk/build/jam/BuildSetup: Remove useless commented code. No functional change.[01:38:13] <Duggan> at least its supposed to be... I don't think it works though[01:38:39] <MYOB> our SDL implementation and OpenTTD don't get along well[01:38:53] <dru345> fix it? :P[01:39:27] <l_n> MYOB: you think that's bad.. sdl+bglview fails by almost running.[01:39:28] <Duggan> thats a good idea, dru345, you should do that... I'll expect it finished in 3.5 hours and if not, you're getting fired[01:39:53] <dru345> i like fire :P[01:39:57] <l_n> ridiculously aggravating.[01:40:00] <MYOB> l_n well, for whatever reason it keeps slowly resizing the main window of OpenTTD by 1x1...[01:40:02] <Duggan> its not as much fun as explosions[01:40:41] <l_n> Duggan: if you think that, you should watch the Mythbusters episode where they decide to find out whether it's better to go out with a bang or a slow burn...[01:40:53] <Duggan> l_n lol[01:40:55] <Duggan> haven't seen that one[01:41:02] <l_n> they wrapped a scooter in detonation cord and blew it up. then they *covered* a truck in thermite and lit it.[01:41:06] <Duggan> l_n do you think that line looks like what I tried to describe it as being?[01:41:20] <Duggan> l_n and what did they decide after it was over?[01:41:26] <l_n> the bomb squad guys said they had never seen that much thermite in one place.[01:41:32] <Duggan> lol[01:41:32] <l_n> Duggan: the thermite was better :)[01:41:38] <Duggan> hehe[01:41:38] * l_n <3's thermite[01:41:54] <l_n> that shit will burn through anything.[01:42:08] <l_n> Duggan: that line made my head explode.[01:42:12] <Duggan> yep yep.... and its easy to make XD[01:42:26] <l_n> if you're casting to a void type pointer, i would explicitly add 'void' to it.[01:42:37] <Duggan> l_n well fix it (if its broke) and maybe it'll be more like thermite.... since burning's better :P[01:42:40] <l_n> for clarity. right now it just looks like pointer hell.[01:42:48] <Duggan> no, I'm casting from a void pointer type[01:42:49] *** phoudoin has quit IRC[01:43:07] <l_n> all of that dereferencing looks like you've gotten overly complicated.[01:43:08] <Duggan> ok, starting off, I have a pointer to a struct[01:43:24] <Duggan> I pass that by reference into a function, so its a ** inside the function right?[01:43:32] <Duggan> well inside the function, it comes in as a void *[01:43:47] <Duggan> so I have to typecast it from a void* to a struct*[01:44:33] <Duggan> so even though it looks like a void * its actually a struct**[01:45:16] <Duggan> theres actually only one dereference on that line[01:45:38] <Duggan> I typecast the void * as a ClsDataNode**, then dereference it once[01:46:02] *** Disreali has quit IRC[01:46:32] <Duggan> l_n make sense?[01:48:14] <l_n> almost.[01:48:27] <Duggan> I don't know if its correct, seeing as that function isn't working properly :/[01:49:03] *** JoeyA has joined #haiku[01:53:08] *** havokmalo has quit IRC[01:55:22] *** _gringo has joined #haiku[01:57:44] *** f1assistance has joined #haiku[02:02:25] <velcroshooz> how do i get vbox to understand a vmware image? or does it have to be the iso[02:04:45] <yourpalal> velcroshooz: a .vmdk?[02:05:54] <velcroshooz> yeah .. ive checked the website, seems its possible, but the info is pretty outdated. vbox seems to have no clue about the filetype.[02:06:15] <dru345-haiku> you don't need to use the vmware image[02:06:37] <velcroshooz> so the iso is the better option in this case?[02:06:40] <dru345-haiku> yes[02:06:48] <luroh> vbox should be able to use the vmdk out of the box[02:07:03] <yourpalal> it works perfectly fine over here, just open vbox, file->Virtual media manager, add ... bingo bango[02:07:05] <mmadia> the iso is meant to be burned to an actual disc.[02:07:06] <dru345-haiku> iso, choose Other and for Network pick Intel Pro 1000 Desktop[02:07:21] <dru345-haiku> the iso can be used as a disc image though[02:07:25] <dru345-haiku> for a VM[02:07:29] <mmadia> there's some differences between the ISO and (anyboot, raw, vmdk)[02:08:05] <luroh> just checked, works fine[02:10:52] <l_n> rawr![02:12:05] <l_n> darkwyrm's lesson's are pleasantly written and concise enough to not bore me. :)[02:12:30] * l_n makes a mental note to let darkwyrm know at some point.[02:13:01] *** _gringo has quit IRC[02:13:34] <velcroshooz> i get 'halt! cannot boot from medium' with the vmdk :/ tbh im not very well versed in virtualbox. thats after selecting the vmdk in the virtual media manager.[02:14:25] <l_n> why not use the raw or anyboot to install to a freshly initialized vm image?[02:14:31] <l_n> it may save you some grief...[02:14:33] <yourpalal> hmm.. I'm not sure what thats about velcroshooz[02:15:00] <velcroshooz> ill try the iso and see how that goes.[02:15:02] <Duggan> l_n can you code in haiku with c++ now?[02:15:07] <luroh> velcroshooz: have you set the machine to boot from the virtual hard disk?[02:15:33] <dru345-haiku> maybe l_n can make that columnlistview demo app :P[02:15:50] *** f1assistance has left #haiku[02:16:30] *** toni__ has quit IRC[02:16:51] <Duggan> dru345-haiku good idea XD[02:17:07] <Duggan> better yet, maybe he can just fix it![02:17:29] <velcroshooz> luroh, where would i set that specifically?[02:17:50] <luroh> velcroshooz: system -> motherboard[02:18:47] <luroh> make sure hard disk is checked and above any other bootable media you may have there[02:19:13] *** knut_ has quit IRC[02:19:52] <velcroshooz> luroh, okay, have done that, cdrom and floppy were ahead of it, still same error[02:20:43] <luroh> ok, have you added the virtual disk to your machine (and not just made it available in the media manager)?[02:21:20] <luroh> the vmdk should be listed under 'storage' for your virtual haiku machine[02:21:42] <l_n> Duggan: i'm not done with the lesson thingies yet.[02:21:49] <Duggan> hey l_n, get this... everytime the function is called (its a callback) the value of my head node becomes 0, even though I know I just set it[02:22:25] <Duggan> so I'm dereferencing it correctly I believe[02:22:31] <velcroshooz> luroh, i do not see anything relating to the haiku image under storage[02:22:36] <l_n> are you accidentally reinitializing it?[02:22:48] <Duggan> I've checked I can't find it anywhere if that were the case[02:23:05] <luroh> velcroshooz: ok, that could be the problem then. try clicking the 'add hard disk' button and select the vmdk[02:23:16] <Duggan> theres no way the function thats calling it is doing it[02:23:34] <Duggan> and i know the value being passed in is the same because I checked with printf's[02:23:51] <velcroshooz> luroh, is this from within the storage menu? i have 'add attachments' and 'add controllers'[02:24:32] <luroh> velcroshooz: ok, if nothing is lested there, you first need to add an IDE controller[02:24:38] <luroh> listed*[02:24:57] <l_n> do you guys often use the movable title bars?[02:25:04] <l_n> (i rarely use that feature)[02:25:45] <Duggan> all the time[02:25:55] <MYOB> when I was using BeOS fulltime I did[02:26:00] <MYOB> stacking windows[02:26:05] <velcroshooz> luroh, aha! i see the option now. added vmdk image to ide controller and now i see the haiku splash! thanks much for the help. i will follow the install guide now.[02:26:14] <luroh> oki doki :)[02:26:50] <dru345> i use it a little bit l_n[02:28:51] *** MYOB has quit IRC[02:29:00] <velcroshooz> luroh, may i ask one more thing as you seem to be good with virtualbox. does 'guest additions' work? can i get native resolution?[02:29:14] <luroh> velcroshooz: nope[02:29:41] <velcroshooz> luroh, okay. no problem.[02:29:48] <luroh> alright[02:39:11] *** oco2 has quit IRC[02:40:02] *** acoos has joined #haiku[02:46:19] <dru345> any tips on creating/editing a keymap?[02:47:18] <l_n> hrm.. the lisper in me is wanting to separate all of the stuff that darkwyrm has in main() in the lesson 10 project into lots of smaller functions that each do one thing...[02:47:25] <l_n> dru345: read the others and emulate them?[02:47:34] <dru345> lol ok l_n[02:48:20] <l_n> eh, it seemed the logical answer.[02:49:14] * l_n tries to suppress the lisper hiding in his brain.[02:52:31] <Duggan> I can't find the long s :/[02:52:56] <l_n> ß ?[02:53:34] <Duggan> no, not the eszet, the long s[02:53:49] <Duggan> the eszet is a combination of the long s and the short s[02:54:08] <l_n> ah, ja. ß is /sharp/ s, not long s.[02:54:24] <Duggan> hehe[02:54:26] <Duggan> 's' is short s[02:54:31] <Duggan> ß - s = long s[02:54:41] <Duggan> looks kinda like an f[02:54:51] <l_n> das stimmt. ich verstehe jetzt.[02:55:10] <Duggan> you lost me lol[02:55:20] <l_n> that's correct. i understand now.[02:55:25] <Duggan> ah....[02:55:47] <Duggan> I want to say I knew what verstehen was but I couldn't remember[02:55:56] <Duggan> and I know I knew what jetzt was.... once upon a time lol[02:58:47] *** velcroshooz has quit IRC[02:59:40] <l_n> is there a shortcut for 'remove line' in Pe?[02:59:56] <l_n> (using the mouse to delete a line is horribly inefficient.[02:59:57] <l_n> )[03:00:12] <Duggan> end, shift+home, del[03:00:23] <Duggan> or home, shift+end, del[03:01:32] <l_n> ctrl-k is better :)[03:01:48] <l_n> wow. ctrl-k works.[03:02:29] *** StreaK|ON has quit IRC[03:02:59] <l_n> and it puts the cut text onto the clipboard.[03:03:10] <l_n> emacs++[03:03:11] <l_n> :)[03:03:57] <Duggan> this boggles my mind...[03:04:03] <Duggan> there *really IS* no long s....[03:04:22] <l_n> it was abandoned by english in the 19th century, IIRC[03:05:07] <Duggan> by some people maybe... maybe I want to transcribe something in an earlier english?[03:07:58] *** velcroshooz has joined #haiku[03:11:29] *** kurain has joined #haiku[03:26:30] <Duggan> hmm[03:27:33] *** JoeyA has quit IRC[03:35:59] <kurain> hello duggan[03:37:57] *** surround1r has quit IRC[03:38:12] *** surrounder has joined #haiku[03:39:08] *** Ola__ has quit IRC[03:41:59] <kurain> is Tracker of Haiku just like Thunar of Xfce environment[03:42:25] <dru345> same purpose[03:44:36] <kurain> but tracker sounds like a tool of hacker to track the net[03:44:49] <dru345> the name comes from BeOS[03:45:24] <kurain> oh. I want to give it a chinese name, but it is not that easy[03:46:10] <dru345> originally BeOS had the "Browser" when it got BFS they created Tracker. They open sourced it as Open Tracker. Haiku Tracker uses the Open Tracker code.[03:46:17] <dru345> Yes that could be confusing.[03:46:24] <CIA-54> anevilyak * r37749 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/aboutsystem/AboutSystem.cpp: Moved Alex Wilson to current maintainers list.[03:47:08] <dru345> the idea is to track or hunt down files.[03:47:42] <dru345> dogs are often used for hunting which is probably why the tracker mascot / icon is a dog[03:48:15] <kurain> haha, maybe I coud call it "file manager" but it seems that the name lacke the element of haiku/beos[03:52:47] <kurain> "file tracker" could be ok?[03:53:13] <dru345> i think so[03:53:45] *** dru345-haiku has quit IRC[03:54:11] <kurain> or "file broswer"?[03:54:21] <dru345> yes[03:54:58] <dru345> i have something i want to share with you. it may help or not. give me a few minutes to scan[03:55:06] <mmadia> why do you want to rename it, kurain?[03:55:09] <kurain> ok[03:55:43] <velcroshooz> is it moveable? tracker and the whole section to the right?[03:55:45] <kurain> I want to make the users know its function once they see it[03:56:40] <mmadia> iirc, the names of the programs are generally viewed as Proper Nouns that shouldn't be localized.[03:57:16] <kurain> wow, I know[03:57:42] <kurain> but some names really hard to know its real function[03:57:59] <kurain> or it will make the users confused[03:58:23] <kurain> especially the new users,[03:59:01] <cpr420> That's what the userguide is for[04:00:08] *** Sir_Konrad has quit IRC[04:00:46] <kurain> well, I have give the "Queries" "Index" "Attrubutes" the reffered chinese names. are they Proper Nouns?[04:01:05] <velcroshooz> seems odd to me arrows in the menu point > and they open the opposite side. possible to move menu to the left of desktop or no?[04:01:38] <mmadia> there's a ticket about that velcroshooz.[04:01:58] <velcroshooz> okay. so not implemented yet.[04:02:49] <mmadia> iirc, that's fine kurain.[04:03:48] <velcroshooz> i hope it gets attention, i would much like it if everything was flipped. menu on left links on right. personal preference i guess.[04:05:32] <kurain> mmadia, I will try to keep their origin names, but it is based that the users won't be confused about that[04:06:28] <mmadia> i'm pretty certain that the names of applications are not supposed to be localized ... if you want, drop a line on haiku-i18n to check.[04:07:36] <kurain> well ,I have list them in the translation terminology[04:10:49] <l_n> fread() terminates the string for you, no?[04:10:57] <l_n> (silly opengroup manpage doesn't specify)[04:12:23] <mmadia> kurain : here's one of the threads : http://www.freelists.org/post/haiku-development/Localization-of-file-names,11[04:15:06] <kurain> you mean I can't localized the names in deskbar?[04:15:24] <kurain> or it will make some unexpected mistake[04:17:01] <mmadia> like the names in /boot/home/config/be/Applications , /boot/home/config/be/Preferences should not be localized. in non-english languages, they should be kept.[04:18:15] <kurain> I know , I have seen these cases in linux, so I know what you mean[04:18:19] <dru345> kurain - pm?[04:18:22] <mmadia> even though their names are common and descriptive in english, they're still the name of the software.[04:18:53] <kurain> I won't change the name of certain folders[04:19:09] <mmadia> ... or the applications.[04:19:24] <mmadia> (i'm pretty sure)[04:24:13] *** AlonzoTG has quit IRC[04:26:50] *** acoos is now known as acous[04:36:43] *** AlonzoTG has joined #haiku[04:37:04] <l_n> yay. i finished lesson 10's project and it works. (only took 3 compilation attempts)[04:38:55] <Duggan> lol congrats, l_n :)[04:40:35] <kurain> you mean the haiku programing lesson 10?[04:43:33] <dru345> yes that's what he's working on kurain[04:44:13] *** ahhhquestions has joined #haiku[04:44:35] <kurain> wow, he is translating that ?[04:45:23] <kurain> I have been working on that, but now focusing the user guide .[04:49:56] *** cherrypie has quit IRC[04:50:39] *** ahhhquestions has quit IRC[04:57:05] <kurain> mmadia, what is the final sulution of the problem reffered in the mial you gave[04:58:01] <kurain> I have checked the reffered mails ,but they didn't give an obvious solution.[05:06:35] *** Nozy has quit IRC[05:08:33] *** jmayfield has joined #haiku[05:09:30] <jmayfield> 2560x1600 is a sweet res[05:13:25] <l_n> kurain: i'm not translating it.. i'm reading it and doing the exercises :P[05:14:30] <kurain> great, I haven't experienced it yet. for the paladin has been localized in chinese ,:P[05:22:11] <kurain> maybe , I should tell dark that I am translating his lessons, and ask him about the license that the translations should be under[05:22:12] <kurain> ?[05:24:29] <Duggan> kurain I believe the book is distributed under the creative commons license, but I'd suggest checking whether he allows derivative works or not[05:24:54] *** cpr420 has quit IRC[05:25:41] <kurain> yes, but I haven't had a talk with him. for I have just translated about six lessons[05:26:35] <Duggan> ah well thats good[05:28:42] *** LordRam has quit IRC[05:31:14] <l_n> the lessons are CC[05:31:50] <kurain> well, that is possible[05:32:01] <kurain> I will make it under CC[05:34:54] <l_n> cc: by nc nd[05:35:07] <l_n> are the license terms on the title pages.[05:35:36] <l_n> which i assume means: show who wrote it (by), no charge (nc), no derivation (nd)[05:35:55] <yourpalal> attribution, no commercial, no derivs[05:37:56] <l_n> kurain: you'll need explicit permission to publish *any* of your translations due to the no derivative works licensing.[05:40:26] *** Alam_Squeeze has quit IRC[05:40:39] *** Alam_Squeeze has joined #haiku[05:42:34] <l_n> hrm.. is it considered bad style to use foo=fopen(buf, sizeof(char), 1024, file) as the test for an if() statement? (i ask because it seems more concise to do it that way, but the example solution darkwyrm provides uses to statements to accomplish the same task)[05:43:35] * l_n looks up the guidelines on haiku-os.org[05:48:40] *** lookingforcode has joined #haiku[05:49:08] *** lookingforcode has quit IRC[05:50:55] <Duggan> l_n I don't know what the guidelines say but I've seen it in the code[05:51:04] <Duggan> I don't think its particularly readable[05:53:02] <l_n> hrm.. i have a feeling that if i ever learn perl, i'll be playing perl golf semi-regularly :P[05:53:11] <l_n> and the IOCCC is interesting[05:55:15] *** matthias9 has quit IRC[05:57:04] *** matthias9 has joined #haiku[06:14:47] *** velcroshooz has quit IRC[06:18:53] *** velcroshooz has joined #haiku[06:23:40] <l_n> so silent in here...[06:29:43] <kurain> nop[06:29:48] <kurain> I am here[06:31:51] <velcroshooz> shh. sleeping.[06:33:03] * l_n turns on some meshuggah for velcroshooz's benefit. :)[06:33:37] *** Kernel86 has quit IRC[06:34:22] *** acous has quit IRC[06:34:47] <velcroshooz> l_n, i have seem them in concert ;) you get a cookie[06:36:28] *** ianj has joined #haiku[06:42:33] <l_n> velcroshooz: you bastard. did they play "bleed"?[06:43:36] <velcroshooz> l_n, yes. they were with devil driver and another band i cant remember.[06:48:38] *** veve-mao has joined #haiku[06:50:36] *** l_n has quit IRC[06:50:54] <Duggan> why the hell would sqlite tell me my db is locked :/[06:53:49] <jmayfield> it crashed mid-doing-something?[07:00:10] *** Kernel86|Laptop has joined #haiku[07:01:20] *** LordRam has joined #haiku[07:02:36] *** kitallis has quit IRC[07:03:31] * dru345 gives Duggan a key[07:06:19] <Duggan> jmayfield if it is, its not telling me[07:06:22] *** havokmalo has joined #haiku[07:06:44] <CIA-54> yourpalal * r37750 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/support/Archivable.cpp: Update (de)mangle_class_name() functions to be compiler version aware.[07:09:29] *** 17SAA5PZQ has joined #haiku[07:15:44] <havokmalo> Hey all[07:15:55] <yourpalal> hi havokmalo[07:18:20] <havokmalo> Hi yourpalal, how's it going[07:18:30] <yourpalal> good, you?[07:18:56] <havokmalo> No complaints[07:19:00] <havokmalo> :D[07:19:31] <Duggan> hey havokmalo[07:19:50] <havokmalo> Hey Duggan what's up[07:20:47] <havokmalo> Anyone working on anything fun?[07:21:28] <Duggan> not much[07:21:35] *** saivert has quit IRC[07:21:38] <Duggan> I'm working on something but right now its not fun[07:26:37] <havokmalo> ...Does someone know what "debugging symbols" means when I'm installing packages from Synaptic? (I'm using Ubuntu, yes I could Google it, I just thought I'd ask here first)[07:27:25] <yourpalal> If you want to debug a program that uses a certain library, the debugging symbols for that library will give you alot of important info[07:27:37] <yourpalal> they are not needed for general use[07:27:44] *** saivert has joined #haiku[07:28:26] <havokmalo> Thanks yourpalal[07:28:44] <yourpalal> np, havokmalo[07:29:22] <havokmalo> Is everyone running Haiku directly on hardware, or through virtualbox? Is there any disadvantage to running it virtualized?[07:29:33] <dru345> i use it virtualized[07:29:50] <dru345> disadvantage being slower if you plan to compile haiku on itself.[07:30:26] <yourpalal> it will be faster on real hardware, but running virtual definitely gives you some added flexibility, although I guess you lose some too :P[07:32:37] <Duggan> I use it on native hardware[07:37:06] <havokmalo> Hum[07:37:14] <havokmalo> Are there any disadvantages from a programming side?[07:37:55] <havokmalo> I was running Haiku on my primary machine, but I've got a dual monitor setup and it would always run in the secondary monitor and the mouse acted sketchy.[07:37:57] <yourpalal> compiling will be faster on real hardware,[07:38:22] *** surrounder has quit IRC[07:38:57] *** IIsi50MHz has joined #haiku[07:41:33] <dru345> hello IIsi50MHz[07:41:50] <IIsi50MHz> Yo, dru[07:42:22] <IIsi50MHz> My SoundPlay started crashing with a segment violation in BW_Reader )-:[07:42:23] <dru345> compiling apps is fast in VM. compiling all of Haiku is slow (took me hours).[07:42:27] <dru345> :([07:43:01] <IIsi50MHz> As I recall, I had this problem once before, long ago.[07:43:05] <IIsi50MHz> No clue how I solved it.[07:43:06] *** surrounder has joined #haiku[07:43:13] <dru345> i've not used soundplay.[07:45:10] <yourpalal> dru345: depends how big your apps are :P[07:45:13] <IIsi50MHz> I think it happens sometimes when SoundPlay tries to resume a connection to a streaming source that doesn't exist any more, is refusing connections, or something else[07:45:43] <IIsi50MHz> So I looked for a prefs file, but didn't find one.[07:45:51] <IIsi50MHz> Agh.[07:48:03] *** redblue has joined #haiku[07:55:40] <IIsi50MHz> Ok, it's a plugin crash.[07:56:31] <IIsi50MHz> Renaming the Plugins folder lets it launch.[07:56:35] <IIsi50MHz> Time to go Conflict Catcher on this.[07:57:04] *** Ola__ has joined #haiku[08:00:03] <IIsi50MHz> Can't reslaunch SoundPlay yet; LotR music coming in (-:[08:00:10] <IIsi50MHz> relaunch*[08:00:27] * IIsi50MHz tries to figure out what 'reslaunch' would mean while the song ends[08:00:31] *** jamy has joined #haiku[08:09:08] *** slaye has joined #haiku[08:09:51] *** andreas_dr has joined #haiku[08:11:14] <IIsi50MHz> Ok, so removing all the plugins from the Plugins folder and adding them back by half->quarter->eighth->16th->... doesn't reproduce the problem[08:11:36] <IIsi50MHz> Because doing so resets all plugins to "inactive" state.[08:15:12] <IIsi50MHz> Speculation: the offending plugin is TitleSpectrumAnalyzer, because I /think/ the only other active plugins I had before would not have been doing anything at the time; TSA tries to get song title immediately and place it in the window's title.[08:16:29] *** CK|iPod has joined #haiku[08:18:29] <IIsi50MHz> While I was draggin plugins around to different folders, I found myself being Very Careful to no accident'ly drop them on the icon of the folder I was dragging the /from/.[08:19:34] <IIsi50MHz> I wonder if Haiku has the old R5 glitch where dragging an item onto the icon of its folder essentially deletes the item without warning?[08:19:44] <dru345> o.O[08:20:26] <dru345> i'll check in a bit. that's an interesting 'bug'[08:20:52] <IIsi50MHz> When the target folder and source folder have their icons very close together, it's easy to miss...with potentially Very Bad consequences.[08:20:59] <dru345> so i you drag something onto it's container's icon it's deleted since it can't really be moved anywhere instead of throwing up the appropriate error?[08:21:17] <IIsi50MHz> I think.[08:21:19] <dru345> this isn't the draggable folders, right?[08:21:43] *** iMax_pp has joined #haiku[08:21:54] <IIsi50MHz> No, it's dragging an item from an open folder window onto the icon of the folder window (on the desktop or in another window([08:21:56] <yourpalal> IIsi50MHz: it does indeed![08:21:57] <IIsi50MHz> gah[08:22:12] <yourpalal> oh wait[08:22:28] <yourpalal> no it doesnt :P[08:22:30] <yourpalal> sorry![08:22:39] <IIsi50MHz> Don't scare me! :-P[08:23:39] *** veve-mao has quit IRC[08:24:07] <IIsi50MHz> aaannd...now I can't reproduce it.[08:24:36] *** iMax_pp has quit IRC[08:24:37] <IIsi50MHz> Maybe it only bites when there's a large enough set of files dropped that it might be disasterous?[08:24:47] <IIsi50MHz> Or...I dreamed it? O.o[08:24:54] <dru345> i'll look at that a bit[08:25:05] <IIsi50MHz> Could swear I was bitten several times.[08:27:32] * dru345 checks IIsi50MHz's water for hallucinogenic[08:27:33] <IIsi50MHz> Oddly, I found that I now get the error "You can't replace a folder with one of its subfolders." when I try to drag a file named the same as the parent folder up to the parent's containing folder.[08:27:48] <dru345> that's expected.[08:27:51] <IIsi50MHz> I knew it! I knew you were checking Something Else.[08:28:00] <dru345> lol[08:28:09] <IIsi50MHz> But...a file _isn't_ a subfolder.[08:28:50] <dru345> obviously :P[08:29:01] <dru345> file a ticket for me to fix :)[08:29:02] <IIsi50MHz> So it shouldn't say that.[08:29:24] <IIsi50MHz> Ah, right. >.>[08:34:05] *** Qeos has joined #haiku[08:36:36] <IIsi50MHz> Well, SoundPlay problem fixed.[08:36:59] <dru345> yay. what was it?[08:37:13] <IIsi50MHz> One of the plugins.[08:37:33] <IIsi50MHz> When I moved the plugins out and then back in, they all got reset to "inactive".[08:38:44] <IIsi50MHz> Of the few I remember being active, only one should have had any effect on the issue: TitleSpectrumAnalyzer (which tries to get the current song's title immediately upon launch, and puts it in the window titlebar).[08:39:07] <IIsi50MHz> The titlebar is a bit easier to read from across the room (-:[08:40:10] *** um|www has joined #haiku[08:40:16] <um|www> hello[08:40:33] *** um|www is now known as ulterior[08:40:42] <IIsi50MHz> I think TSA was trying to get a song title that didn't exist yet, because the title hadn't been received from the network.[08:41:19] <dru345> hello ulterior[08:42:00] <IIsi50MHz> Hello-goodbye. I was just shutting down and heading for bed.[08:42:03] <ulterior> It has been awhile since I've been here. I am pleasant surprised at haiku's progress.[08:42:32] <dru345> goodnight IIsi50MHz[08:42:35] <IIsi50MHz> I'll remember to put in a ticket when I bring my good machine back home.[08:42:41] <IIsi50MHz> ttfn dru345[08:43:15] *** IIsi50MHz has quit IRC[08:46:00] <CK|iPod> Why isn't MediaPlayer playing an MP3[08:46:09] <CK|iPod> It says unknown media type[08:47:01] <dru345> check the mimetype?[08:47:26] <dru345> right click -> add-ons -> File typer[08:51:38] *** Shisui has joined #haiku[08:51:57] <CK|iPod> I'll have a look when I can, I was just kicked off my test system[08:53:29] *** odites has joined #haiku[08:53:31] *** ulterior has left #haiku[08:54:33] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[08:54:42] <dru345> hello OmniMancer[08:54:47] <OmniMancer> hi[08:57:20] <havokmalo> Did DarkWyrm publish a book?[08:57:27] <dru345> yes[08:57:34] <havokmalo> ...is it any good?[08:57:39] <havokmalo> Anyone had a chance to read it?[08:58:05] <dru345> I think it's only a collection of the lessons published on the site.[08:58:05] <yourpalal> l_n is reading it, and has said that he likes it[09:04:28] <havokmalo> Hum[09:04:35] <havokmalo> I might have to pick up a copy[09:06:25] <havokmalo> Paladin says it isn't intended to replace complex build systems for complicated projects such as Haiku itself. If that's true, what do people use to do their Haiku development on for large projects?[09:08:06] *** lorglas has joined #haiku[09:08:40] <OmniMancer> havokmalo: what it means is that the build system part of the IDE is not meant for large projects[09:08:50] <OmniMancer> not that you can't edit stuff with it :P[09:08:57] <OmniMancer> I think a lot of them use Pe[09:10:12] <havokmalo> Ah ok[09:11:00] <havokmalo> What kind of setups are you guys using to get your Haiku VM's online?[09:11:13] <havokmalo> I've tried NAT and Bridged and seem to be having some issues getting to the internet[09:11:26] <OmniMancer> havokmalo: you have changed the card to an intel?[09:11:33] <CK|iPod> You need to edit the gmc[09:11:36] <CK|iPod> Vmx*[09:11:49] <Duggan> havokmalo I'm not using a VM :P[09:11:51] <yourpalal> set the inteface to Intel PRO/1000 MT Desktop[09:12:21] <OmniMancer> I run native but you must use an intel card instead of the default PCNet card[09:12:34] <OmniMancer> I am somewhat surprised they don't fix that in the vm distro...[09:13:03] <havokmalo> Ah nice[09:13:11] <havokmalo> Let me try this again[09:13:20] *** Nozy has joined #haiku[09:14:15] <havokmalo> Briilliant![09:14:19] <havokmalo> Thanks all :)[09:15:51] <havokmalo> I had haiku running on my system directly, but it was a pain in the ass[09:16:09] <havokmalo> Only took up one monitor, had issues with mice, etc.[09:16:34] <havokmalo> This is a much better setup to USE - hopefully to program something in it it works out well too[09:16:38] <havokmalo> Very exciting[09:18:35] <OmniMancer> to "use" where use means unusable because it runs so slowly :P[09:19:35] <havokmalo> Really? Hum[09:19:40] <havokmalo> I wonder how much slower it is[09:19:54] <havokmalo> So compiling a nightly build would be the test right?[09:20:41] <havokmalo> I've never done that before - could someone give me some pointers and I'll get started on it?[09:21:13] <yourpalal> havokmalo: http://www.haiku-os.org/guides/building[09:22:17] <OmniMancer> building on it is prohibitively slow[09:23:58] <havokmalo> Damn[09:24:03] <havokmalo> I'll get back to this tomorrow[09:24:11] <havokmalo> I really want to test that out and see how slow it goes[09:24:21] <havokmalo> Then maybe I'll make room for it in a partition and build it there[09:24:32] <havokmalo> good night all, thanks for all the help :D[09:24:41] *** havokmalo has left #haiku[09:33:11] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[09:34:53] <Duggan> anybody happen to know much about using sqlite? :/[09:35:06] <OmniMancer> no[09:35:14] <OmniMancer> I know it exists :P[09:36:15] <Duggan> I'm working on a function that generates a query and I'm curious as to how I would go about using "true" and "false" statements since there are none in sqlite[09:36:32] <Duggan> I tried 0 and 1 but that doesn't seem to give me the results I want[09:40:59] *** CyberKitsuneAndr has joined #haiku[09:41:03] *** andreas_dr has quit IRC[09:41:42] <OmniMancer> no true and false statements? that doesn't sound good[09:41:44] <PulkoMandy> the answer is likely 'dont use them' :)[09:41:55] *** CyberKitsuneAndr is now known as CK|Android[09:42:10] <PulkoMandy> …or switch to a more powerful sql incarnation[09:43:30] <OmniMancer> PulkoMandy: are there any other embedded SQL engines?[09:43:51] <PulkoMandy> no idea...[09:44:41] *** naaina has joined #haiku[09:49:41] *** The123king has joined #haiku[09:51:19] <Duggan> don't need to[09:51:43] <Duggan> actually I think 0 and 1 worked there was just some trouble with my data and thus my query, but it got fixed[09:52:02] <Duggan> in the mean time I replaced 0 and 1 with 1=0 and 1=1 :P[09:53:55] *** CK|iPod has quit IRC[09:55:11] <OmniMancer> oh generating true and false by comparison :P[09:57:21] *** wesbluemarine has quit IRC[09:57:48] *** waveshaper has joined #haiku[09:58:59] <CIA-54> yourpalal * r37751 /haiku/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): In BUnarchiver::IsInstantiated(), catch a possible NULL dereference, make archive parameter to BUnarchiver::IsArchiveManaged() const.[10:01:17] *** naaina has quit IRC[10:05:04] *** Nozy has quit IRC[10:05:22] *** Qeos|2 has joined #haiku[10:05:56] *** Qeos|2 has quit IRC[10:07:21] *** Qeos has quit IRC[10:13:54] *** toni__ has joined #haiku[10:15:48] <CIA-54> phoudoin * r37752 /haiku/trunk/src/libs/mesa/glut/glutEvent.cpp: Style fixes.[10:17:55] *** saivert has quit IRC[10:23:59] *** saivert has joined #haiku[10:30:04] *** saivert has quit IRC[10:31:57] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[10:34:04] *** naaina has joined #haiku[10:35:51] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[10:37:18] *** naaina has quit IRC[10:37:53] *** saivert has joined #haiku[10:39:08] *** naaina has joined #haiku[10:42:32] *** kPb_in has joined #haiku[10:44:58] *** saivert has quit IRC[10:49:08] *** iIngenu has joined #haiku[10:51:10] *** saivert has joined #haiku[10:54:24] <lorglas> hi, who can help me? I want to implement in darkwyms fortune example a keyboard switch, so i can press the F1 key and the about window will be open?[10:56:11] *** saivert has quit IRC[11:01:58] <yourpalal> lorglas: you will want to implement the KeyDown method, there is a good example for function keys in the bebook here: http://www.haiku-os.org/legacy-docs/bebook/BView.html#BView_KeyDown[11:03:04] <PulkoMandy> and PostMessage(B_ABOUT_REQUESTED)[11:03:11] <PulkoMandy> (well, modulo syntax correctness)[11:03:12] *** saivert has joined #haiku[11:03:22] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o PulkoMandy[11:03:23] <yourpalal> yes, good point PulkoMandy[11:05:59] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[11:06:09] *** HaikuUser is now known as dru345haiku[11:18:28] <CIA-54> pulkomandy * r37753 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/shared/StringForSize.cpp: * FixStringForSize : without context, the locale kit was in trouble finding the right string.[11:23:13] <lorglas> thanks[11:24:16] <yourpalal> np, lorglas[11:27:08] <lorglas> cu[11:27:13] *** lorglas has quit IRC[11:28:04] *** saivert has quit IRC[11:34:13] *** jmayfield has quit IRC[11:35:46] *** saivert has joined #haiku[11:38:57] *** surround1r has joined #haiku[11:42:03] *** surrounder has quit IRC[11:43:56] *** surrounder has joined #haiku[11:44:14] *** surround1r has quit IRC[11:45:10] *** yourpalal has quit IRC[11:54:25] *** bubsy has quit IRC[12:00:39] *** lorglas has joined #haiku[12:01:57] *** brobostigon has joined #haiku[12:02:39] <brobostigon> morning all.[12:02:57] <OmniMancer> hi[12:03:11] <brobostigon> hi OmniMancer[12:05:31] <CIA-54> stippi * r539 /webkit/trunk/WebKit/haiku/WebPositive/tabview/TabContainerView.cpp:[12:05:31] <CIA-54> Account for the fact that the visible frame of a tab is one pixel larger at[12:05:31] <CIA-54> the bottom. Will fix Haiku ticket #6383 when a new package is made available.[12:06:15] *** Mongin has joined #haiku[12:07:01] *** bubsy has joined #haiku[12:07:32] *** Mongin is now known as warpdesign_[12:15:35] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[12:16:24] *** lorglas has quit IRC[12:19:11] *** jamy has quit IRC[12:21:35] *** dru345haiku has quit IRC[12:23:24] *** CK|Android has quit IRC[12:26:58] *** dru345 is now known as away345[12:46:41] *** kitallis has joined #haiku[12:49:01] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[12:53:16] <gluon> hey[12:53:45] <gluon> seems like the background logo is missing in the latest build[12:54:08] <mmadia> http://www.freelists.org/post/haiku-development/Summary-of-changes-relating-to-building-from-source-HAIKU-logos[12:54:35] <gluon> oh, thanks[12:54:39] <gluon> didn't know that[12:55:01] <mmadia> ... yeah, i was debating sending it to [haiku] too[12:56:43] <OmniMancer> mmadia why do you want to steal the beautiful logo from us?[12:57:35] * mmadia hunches over and pets logo ... My precious[12:59:07] <OmniMancer> why can't we have nice things?[12:59:22] <mmadia> it's still there and everything.[13:00:15] <mmadia> the nightly images have a "development" logo, similar to the "alpha 2" logo -- this is to make it clear that someone is running a non-release build.[13:00:18] *** jamy has joined #haiku[13:01:07] <gluon> mmadia: I think it makes a lot of sense[13:01:11] <mmadia> then at that point, it was fairly easy to add the logic to strip the logos when building a non-release/non-official image.[13:01:21] <PulkoMandy> still it would ne nice to throw in some leaves[13:02:19] <mmadia> yeah, originally i suggested the leaves too, but axel didn't like it : http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/6183#comment:1[13:03:26] <PulkoMandy> just the leaf isn't enough (and it's too big that way)[13:03:45] <PulkoMandy> but something like 3 falling autumn leaves could look nice[13:04:07] <PulkoMandy> at least on the desktop, for example :)[13:04:43] *** Hubert_ has joined #haiku[13:06:40] <mmadia> making the "development" overlay was challenging enough for me :P[13:08:32] <PulkoMandy> just take the haiku logo and remove "haiku" from it, no ?[13:09:09] <mmadia> would that be for the 'compatible' or 'default' though?[13:09:41] <mmadia> like for the default, i do like the idea of reverting to 'walter'[13:11:39] * OmniMancer hides from mmadia's stealing of his nice things.[13:12:43] * mmadia turns his back and talks with Smeagol about his precious.[13:12:50] <OmniMancer> maybe I should make a non trademarked version of the leaves :P[13:14:09] <PulkoMandy> do we have the wonderbrush files of haiku logo ?[13:14:26] <mmadia> yeah all of that's in data/artwork[13:15:17] <PulkoMandy> ah yes, missed it :)[13:15:28] <mmadia> http://www.freelists.org/post/haiku/Haiku-User-Group-Logo-What-is-wanted http://www.freelists.org/post/haiku-inc/Defining-the-Terms-of-Use-HAIKU-Background-Leaf are somewhat relevant too.[13:16:27] *** saivert has quit IRC[13:16:27] <OmniMancer> I guess ukiaH is not trademarked?[13:17:20] <mmadia> depending on how you make it, it could be viewed as 'intentionally confusing' and thus not allowed.[13:18:12] <PulkoMandy> mh... how can I crop the canvas in wonderbrush ?[13:19:28] <mmadia> you can use the Shape tool, to define 4 points of a rectangle.. then set it's Propery Mode: Erase,[13:19:39] <mmadia> and apply it to the same layer.[13:20:16] <mmadia> OmniMancer , like if someone made soda "ispeP" with the Pepsi graphics, there'd be issues.[13:20:17] <OmniMancer> mmadia: could I make a logo that is the same font but spells ukiaH instead?[13:20:41] <mmadia> why would you want to?[13:20:47] <OmniMancer> and the leaves on the same index letters as the current logo[13:20:56] <mmadia> no, that'd be intentionally confusing.[13:21:11] <OmniMancer> to get a logo that can be put on the dev builds that has the same asthetic but is obviously not official[13:21:23] <mmadia> that's using one trademark to give credit and familiarity to a new one.[13:21:29] <PulkoMandy> the dev builds are allowed to use haiku[13:21:36] <PulkoMandy> only the homegrown ones aren't[13:21:52] *** LinuxKeitaro has quit IRC[13:21:58] <mmadia> no, personal use of the TM is fine. always has, always will be.[13:22:04] <OmniMancer> can one build it themselves with no changes and use the default background?[13:22:14] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[13:22:19] <OmniMancer> so you aren't trying to be nazi and steal personal dev builds logos?[13:22:25] <PulkoMandy> build yes, distribute no[13:22:25] <mmadia> hell no.[13:22:51] <mmadia> right PulkoMandy, distributing a build is no longer 'personal use', but distribution.[13:23:00] *** kitallis has quit IRC[13:23:19] <PulkoMandy> that mean I can't just run installer from my mainpartition to share haiku at the rmll if I built it myself with the logo[13:23:24] <OmniMancer> what constitutes distribution?[13:23:36] *** fishpond has joined #haiku[13:23:40] *** saivert has joined #haiku[13:25:18] <mmadia> basically -- providing the build to other people to download/use/obtain[13:25:19] *** kitallis has joined #haiku[13:26:01] <mmadia> it's the same reason why "BeZillaBrowser" isn't called "Firefox" nor uses the Firefox icon.[13:26:57] <mmadia> .. sure, it's mostly the same code, but it isn't an official build produced by Mozilla --and-- it's being provided to people to use.[13:27:13] <away345> pedantic moment - the firefox icon would violate the icon design guidelines anyway :P[13:27:21] <PulkoMandy> http://pulkomandy.ath.cx/drop/noHaiku.svg[13:27:24] <PulkoMandy> does this work ?[13:27:54] <OmniMancer> hmmm FF seems pissy about rendering that :/[13:28:11] <PulkoMandy> anyway, wonderbrush file : http://pulkomandy.ath.cx/drop/noHaiku.zip[13:28:42] <mmadia> for 'compatible' or 'default' though?[13:28:45] <OmniMancer> I think we should call non official firefox builds phyrephoqs[13:28:50] <away345> PulkoMandy seems to be 3 leaves?[13:28:55] <PulkoMandy> yes[13:29:08] <mmadia> OmniMancer : that could be considered 'confusing' too.[13:29:23] <PulkoMandy> ...andthere's a png at the same address for those of you not happywith other formats[13:29:32] <mmadia> like selling "Koka Koluh"[13:29:42] <PulkoMandy> mmadia: well, no idea, just trying to use my grafix skills :)[13:30:31] <mmadia> For 'compatible', i do like the idea of using the leaves -- even for creating derivative logos (eg, HUG and other for-Haiku websites)[13:30:44] <PulkoMandy> I'd say this is haiku-compatible, as for the rest, I think it'd be acceptable not to build at all and error out telling 'put your own logo here to make it work'[13:30:52] <mmadia> but for 'default', eg no connection to the trademarks, i don't like it.[13:31:56] <PulkoMandy> default isn't something to worry too much about, if people go there, it's basically a fork and there's no link with haiku at allanyway[13:32:00] * OmniMancer argues that anything is confusing thus violates trademarks and so everone should be disallowed from using anything that is trademarked including those who trademarked it in the first place[13:32:08] <PulkoMandy> they can switch to the linux kernel if they want[13:32:23] <OmniMancer> problem is that default is the default :P[13:32:39] <PulkoMandy> yes, the default build should be haiku-compatible I guess[13:32:51] <mmadia> configure --help :P[13:33:02] <OmniMancer> mmadia that is confusing[13:33:21] <PulkoMandy> "sane defaults", you know ?[13:33:26] <PulkoMandy> it also apply to the sourcecode[13:33:33] <OmniMancer> therefore it violates the haiku trademark by causing confusion[13:33:37] <mmadia> but not TM's[13:33:59] <mmadia> well,.. at least not the 'official release' TM.[13:34:02] <PulkoMandy> mmadia: maybe switch to "haiku-compatible" when building a gcc2h[13:34:34] <PulkoMandy> at least it would solve all the mixups with libsplacement and everything[13:35:20] <PulkoMandy> a "default" (not haiku-compatible) build can only be done by either doing something else than gcc2h, or messing with the sourcecode[13:35:26] <mmadia> for the nightly images, 'official' is still being used.[13:35:27] <PulkoMandy> the latter is somewhat hard to detect[13:36:10] <PulkoMandy> (well, we could likely try running svn status andsvn info to detect if it's na svn+ssh checkout... but ...)[13:36:33] <OmniMancer> mmadia perhaps I should arrange for someone to set off a stick of dynamite under your chair every time you bug some one about trademarks :P[13:36:55] <PulkoMandy> OmniMancer; the idea is to start with something very restrictive[13:37:08] <PulkoMandy> but then, allow thingsto happen in a case-by-case basis[13:37:20] <PulkoMandy> and then adjust the policy to open more areasas we see fit[13:37:34] <PulkoMandy> just to make sure not to open too much at once and get the trademark stolen[13:37:59] <mmadia> and if you actually look at the current official TM policy, it's incredibly restrictive.[13:38:10] <mmadia> http://www.haiku-os.org/about/trademark_policy[13:38:44] <mmadia> it allows "web media", "desktop wallpapers", "domain names". everything else is not allowed.[13:39:25] <mmadia> i've been working on improving the TM policy to something much more usable and on-par with other F/OSS projects.[13:40:25] <mmadia> it just sucks incredibly horribly because it balloons into a giant herd-of-elephants task[13:43:01] *** fishpond has quit IRC[13:43:10] <OmniMancer> if it allows desktop wallpapers does that mean that we may personally use the official logo in the desktop wallpaper?[13:44:04] <mmadia> provided that the "unacceptable use" is observed[13:44:22] <mmadia> if you're curious, here's the new policy i've been working on http://www.haiku-inc.org/trademarks.html[13:44:41] <mmadia> in fact, that site launched today too : http://www.freelists.org/post/haiku-inc/Introducing-haikuincorg :)[13:45:06] <gordonjcp> Usage in any unlawful, defamatory, threatening, obscene, pornographic or any other way which would degrade Haiku's reputation or bring civil liability upon Haiku.[13:45:27] <gordonjcp> ^^^^^ so we can't get Ceren Ersen a latex catsuit with a Haiku logo? Damn, FreeBSD really *does* have all the luck[13:45:51] <mmadia> gordonjcp : FreeBSD has the same policy to 'good taste'[13:46:26] <mmadia> http://freebsdfoundation.org/documents/Guidelines.shtml[13:46:53] <OmniMancer> it just hasn't sued them :P[13:46:59] <gordonjcp> mmadia: I did notice that FreeBSD didn't seem to make so much noise about the Beastie pics any more; I thought it was just that Ceren got out of modelling[13:47:02] <Duggan> mmadia fantastic new website :)[13:47:37] <mmadia> ... do i want to know what the 'Beastie pics' are?[13:47:42] <OmniMancer> you could always make the case probitively something to take to court[13:48:09] <gordonjcp> mmadia: surely you remember, the FreeBSD "expo stand girl" pics with the woman in the red rubber catsuit?[13:48:38] <gordonjcp> mmadia: and all the "Why FreeBSD really is better than Linux" hilarity that surrounded it[13:49:08] * OmniMancer prefers such things to not happen as it causes unforeseen consequences[13:49:18] <mmadia> OmniMancer : do you think any F/OSS group wants to seek legal action at anytime?[13:49:41] <gordonjcp> mmadia: anyway, the joke loses its impact somewhat when you have to spend four minutes explaining the backstory[13:49:51] <mmadia> thanks Duggan. gordonjcp : indeed :)[13:50:00] <Duggan> a quick search of images.google.com for "bsd girl" comes up with some rather interesting results...[13:51:04] <Duggan> mmadia the FSF does it all the time... well, threatens it anyway[13:51:23] <Duggan> they love it... they thrive on it[13:52:03] <PulkoMandy> http://www.haiku-inc.org/tm-permission-of-use.html < I'd add permission to use the logo in slides for talk at the RMLL and other events here[13:52:38] <mmadia> PulkoMandy : wouldn't that be "SHouwing support for the Project" and such in http://www.haiku-inc.org/trademark-allowed-usage.html ?[13:53:11] <mmadia> ... as in, anyone can create promotional material assuming that they follow the Usage Requirements[13:53:32] <mmadia> Duggan : isn't that what the FSF was created for?[13:54:41] *** iIngenu has quit IRC[13:56:34] <OmniMancer> the FSF was created to give opensource a bad name but make all projects except GNU look infinitely better than GNU :P[13:56:54] <OmniMancer> now to remember how to use eigenvalues and eigenvectors[13:56:54] *** saivert has quit IRC[13:57:23] <OmniMancer> I think I should use convoluted logic to trademark the letters a, e, i, o and u[13:57:33] <OmniMancer> as well as the word the and the word and[13:58:15] <Duggan> lol[13:58:28] <PulkoMandy> someone tried to patent the wheel... but prior art prevented it[13:58:36] <PulkoMandy> (and yes, it actually hapenned)[13:59:13] <PulkoMandy> http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn965-wheel-patented-in-australia.html[13:59:30] <OmniMancer> I think I should patent friction[14:00:36] <robert_> hai Techno[14:01:19] <OmniMancer> it seems like they invented something that does nothing[14:01:24] <OmniMancer> good old australians[14:01:36] <OmniMancer> its something that takes no work to get but does not perform its purpose[14:01:41] *** kitallis has quit IRC[14:02:39] <OmniMancer> hi robert[14:02:54] <OmniMancer> interesting that kitallis times out after that comment :/[14:03:23] *** kitallis has joined #haiku[14:03:28] <OmniMancer> I kitallis[14:03:30] <OmniMancer> hi[14:04:06] *** michaelvo has joined #haiku[14:04:13] <Duggan> hey michaelvo[14:04:32] <michaelvo> hi!![14:04:35] <michaelvo> I'm back[14:04:44] <OmniMancer> hi michaelvo[14:05:07] *** saivert has joined #haiku[14:05:28] <michaelvo> hi folks! :P[14:06:12] <michaelvo> I just rebuilded Haiku this morning and the beautifil splash screen logo are gone[14:06:14] <michaelvo> :)[14:06:17] <Hubert_> hi michael[14:06:27] <michaelvo> Hi Hubert_![14:06:42] <michaelvo> let's work in something.. like vp8[14:06:42] <mmadia> [07:00] <gluon> seems like the background logo is missing in the latest build[14:06:43] <mmadia> [07:01] <mmadia> http://www.freelists.org/post/haiku-development/Summary-of-changes-relating-to-building-from-source-HAIKU-logos[14:07:07] <Hubert_> http://cia.vc/stats/project/OpenBeOS[14:07:23] <PulkoMandy> we're startin a contest to get a replacement, non trademarked logo[14:07:30] <Hubert_> r37740 etc[14:07:34] <michaelvo> huuumm.. I'm arrived now.. travel..[14:08:10] <michaelvo> so, what is the file that I can modify to set HAIKU_OFFICIAL_RELEASE?[14:08:36] <michaelvo> found haiku/trunk/build/jam[14:08:48] <michaelvo> BuildSetup[14:09:13] <mmadia> you don't want to set HAIKU_OFFICIAL_RELEASE ,,, just configure --distro-compatibility official[14:10:14] <mmadia> no, you don't want to edit trunk/build/jam/BuildSetup[14:10:36] <mmadia> if anything <generated>/build/BuildConfig[14:12:25] <michaelvo> huum.. ok[14:12:26] <michaelvo> !![14:12:27] *** cherrypie has joined #haiku[14:12:46] * michaelvo let's play with SDL bug[14:15:18] <michaelvo> where is in the world HTA?[14:17:26] <PulkoMandy> hta.polytect.org last time I heard of it[14:18:39] <mmadia> was there a reason for not migrating it to haiku-os.org?[14:21:01] <CIA-54> jackburton * r37754 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/terminal/ (6 files):[14:21:01] <CIA-54> Terminal will issue an alert, if there are active processes and the[14:21:01] <CIA-54> user closes the window (doesn't work if the user closes only a tab, yet).[14:21:01] <CIA-54> Active by default but can be disabled by a checkbox.[14:21:26] *** iIngenu has joined #haiku[14:23:13] <PulkoMandy> mmadia: yes, there's yet another update in the work at another address[14:23:26] <PulkoMandy> (using pootle, an existing software)[14:23:31] <mmadia> ah[14:24:15] <OmniMancer> can we please not have duke nukem forever syndrome?[14:24:29] <PulkoMandy> well, hta is available for the time being[14:24:43] <PulkoMandy> and offloading it to an existing tool is better in the long term[14:24:50] <PulkoMandy> as we get free updates :)[14:25:03] <PulkoMandy> (else it would be like rewriting trac and svn...)[14:26:12] *** iIngenu has quit IRC[14:30:18] <CIA-54> jackburton * r37755 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/terminal/TermWindow.cpp: Style[14:33:28] *** iIngenu has joined #haiku[14:35:43] <CIA-54> jackburton * r37756 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/terminal/ (Arguments.cpp Arguments.h PrefWindow.cpp): Style[14:36:11] <michaelvo> only here thar since Alpha2 release typing in terminal don't change the line?[14:36:24] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[14:36:37] <michaelvo> it continues overwriting the same line?[14:37:11] *** ali3n0 has joined #haiku[14:37:13] <mmadia> humdinger : i couldn't figure out how to add more visible events to the front page.[14:37:15] <ali3n0> hi folks[14:37:30] <humdinger> mmadia: Thanks for trying. :)[14:37:34] <humdinger> hi ali3n0[14:38:37] *** bubsy has quit IRC[14:38:47] <ali3n0> got a customer laptop full of s**t (winxp semi-exploded)... I'm going to do some haiku testing before formatting[14:42:22] <humdinger> mmadia: nice work on the Haiku Inc. site![14:42:42] <humdinger> I'd still prefer the Haiku blues... :)[14:42:55] <mmadia> danke.[14:43:07] <mmadia> these are the Walter blues :)[14:43:33] <humdinger> You could take those to the Walter Inc. site :)[14:44:12] <PulkoMandy> "Walter Corporation"... mh... sounds good :)[14:44:43] <humdinger> Also, navigation would be even easier, when the current page name in the nav-bar would be white and all others grey (like the visited-link colour.)[14:45:59] <mmadia> then what should the visited-link colour be?[14:46:21] <humdinger> I wouldn't use that at all.[14:46:48] <Duggan> hehe Walter Corp.[14:46:52] *** kitallis has quit IRC[14:47:59] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[14:48:50] *** saivert has quit IRC[14:49:50] * michaelvo getting an empty white SDL+GL window instead a black one[14:51:09] <CIA-54> phoudoin * r37757 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/devices/ (7 files):[14:51:09] <CIA-54> Applied patch by Alexander von Gluck (kallisti5) - ticket #6350.[14:51:09] <CIA-54> Small changes done: append ACPI node name to device name.[14:56:34] *** saivert has joined #haiku[14:56:52] <mmadia> humdinger : any suggestions for a:link in the right navigation table?[14:57:22] <humdinger> what's wrong with it now?[14:57:56] <mmadia> atm it's white for a:link, a:visited.[14:58:31] *** Hubert_ has quit IRC[14:59:11] <humdinger> since only the currently "selected" chapter is bold, I'm not sure it has to be changed.[15:00:39] <humdinger> if you're in a sub-chapter, like "icons" under "trademarks" the chapter's name in the navbar should still be marked active, e.g. http://www.haiku-inc.org/haiku-icons.html[15:01:18] <mmadia> but then how to navigate back to http://haiku-inc.org/trademarks.html ?[15:01:21] *** away345 has quit IRC[15:01:44] *** dru345 has joined #haiku[15:02:03] <humdinger> it could still be linked there. Maybe lose the "<< >>" around it?[15:02:12] *** michaelvo has quit IRC[15:02:43] <mmadia> so, then #FFF + being an a:link ?[15:03:24] <humdinger> I think so. Theoretically, without seeing it... :)[15:03:50] <humdinger> These are only small details, so if you think it's not worth it or looks stupid, leave it...[15:04:33] <mmadia> well, the navigation was one of the things that need improvement.[15:05:19] <mmadia> like axel didn't like that the right-floating block links to new pages, instead of #SomePartOnThatPage[15:06:11] *** dru345 has quit IRC[15:07:00] <humdinger> That's different that e.g. the userguide, but I think having shorter separate pages is better than jumping to anchors of a dozens of screens long page.[15:08:22] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[15:12:13] *** _gringo has joined #haiku[15:12:19] <PulkoMandy> mh...[15:12:28] <PulkoMandy> it's also very unpractical for printing[15:12:37] <PulkoMandy> what if I need the trademark policy on paper ?[15:12:46] <PulkoMandy> or want to save it to disk ?[15:12:53] *** franco01 has joined #haiku[15:13:12] *** phoudoin has joined #haiku[15:13:25] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o phoudoin[15:13:42] <mmadia> ... i guess i could make a simple php page to include all of them in one.[15:14:18] <mmadia> then that'd even open the door for users to toggle between multi-page and single-page navigation.[15:23:21] *** jmelesky has joined #haiku[15:29:05] *** odites has quit IRC[15:30:51] *** humdinger has quit IRC[15:35:46] *** iIngenu_ has joined #haiku[15:38:46] *** surround1r has joined #haiku[15:39:25] *** iIngenu has quit IRC[15:40:29] *** surrounder has quit IRC[15:47:42] *** _maniac_ has joined #haiku[15:52:46] *** saivert has quit IRC[15:53:13] *** OmniMancer has left #haiku[15:53:16] <CIA-54> pulkomandy * r37758 /haiku/trunk/ (10 files in 3 dirs):[15:53:16] <CIA-54> * Rewrote the timezone selection part of the time preflet to make use of ICU instead of our custom TZData.[15:53:16] <CIA-54> * Not completely working yet, hte POSIX API isn't very happy about ICU timezone names.[15:55:08] <gluon> anyone using wep with an atheros wifi card?[15:55:27] <gluon> it works just great but the connection dies periodically[15:55:53] *** Ola__ has quit IRC[15:56:13] <gluon> however if I let a ping router_ip running continuously it doesn't die anymore[15:56:59] <PulkoMandy> gluon: yes.[15:57:11] <PulkoMandy> likely some missing low-level ping on the wireless level[15:57:30] <PulkoMandy> so the router thinks you crashed or went out of sight and forget about you[15:57:32] <gluon> yap[15:57:54] <PulkoMandy> so yes, keep using the network and it works[15:59:09] *** saivert has joined #haiku[16:03:35] *** leszek has joined #haiku[16:04:17] <CIA-54> jackburton * r37759 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/terminal/ (AppearPrefView.cpp Colors.h):[16:04:18] <CIA-54> Better wording.[16:04:18] <CIA-54> The colors don't need to be public.[16:04:18] <CIA-54> Style.[16:04:53] <kurain> hello all[16:05:12] <gluon> hello kurain[16:05:18] <leszek> hi[16:06:40] <kurain> focusing on the translation so much that , I missed such a talk[16:06:59] <leszek> is it known that copying big files via usb on eeepc 701 crashes haiku ? it simply freezes , I tried to make a backup of my home to an bfs image located on a usb stick[16:07:42] *** jamy has quit IRC[16:08:32] *** marc_smith has joined #haiku[16:09:34] *** kPb_in has quit IRC[16:11:34] *** lorglas has joined #haiku[16:14:55] <The123king> leszek, what rev?[16:16:27] <leszek> alpha 2[16:16:55] <leszek> don't know the rev right now, as I am using zevenos know with bfs_fuse to save my home folder[16:22:00] <Disreali> zip the home dir first, then copy/move it. works for me[16:24:19] <leszek> Disreali: the problem is that I don't have enough free space to zip it[16:24:43] <leszek> its an eeepc 701 with 4 GB SSD :P[16:24:47] <leszek> home is 1,3 GB[16:25:25] <Disreali> ouch[16:26:10] <leszek> hmm... but it seem to work with zevenos + bfs_fuse :P[16:26:26] <leszek> hopefully it copied the xattribs too[16:32:52] *** kitallis has joined #haiku[16:41:37] *** leszek has quit IRC[16:45:29] *** sprma has joined #haiku[16:52:02] *** jmelesky has quit IRC[16:57:54] <marc_smith> leszek: SD card maybe? ;)[16:58:14] <marc_smith> eeepcs used to have a card reader, IIRC[16:58:42] <PulkoMandy> it's plugged as an usb device ...[16:58:55] <The123king> And?[16:59:08] <The123king> does it matter that the SD card is plugged in as a USB device?[16:59:13] <PulkoMandy> the initial problem was a crash when writing to usb[16:59:18] <The123king> i've never had issues on my 901 :\[16:59:22] <PulkoMandy> so, likely yes[16:59:24] <The123king> ooooh[17:00:47] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[17:06:10] *** velcroshooz has quit IRC[17:09:24] <CIA-54> pulkomandy * r37760 /haiku/trunk/src/preferences/locale/LanguageListView.cpp: * Move the flag to the left of the listviews, like in the time preflet.[17:12:57] *** franco01 has left #haiku[17:13:11] *** adriano-src has joined #haiku[17:15:06] <luroh> mmadia: regarding http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/6384 , i'm not following you there...why would that be a good idea?[17:16:28] <mmadia> um,... like having the default logo/branding being something similar to "Bon Echo" or "Minefield"... it's recognizable, but not the actual Mozilla TM's[17:16:52] <luroh> hm..[17:17:11] <PulkoMandy> to me it just makes sense[17:17:28] <mmadia> here's one of the 'haiku compatible' logo threads : http://www.freelists.org/post/haiku/How-to-proceed-with-the-Haiku-Compatible-logos[17:17:32] <PulkoMandy> if you build a gcc2h without much changes, you get something haiku compatible[17:17:50] <mmadia> it looks like stippi's version became 'official'[17:18:18] <mmadia> though, it would be nice to have a horizontal logo, similar to http://www.freelists.org/post/haiku/Haiku-Compatible-badge-again,27[17:18:25] <luroh> but why do it via detection?[17:18:28] <mmadia> err http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/2806/badgeidea2rb9.png[17:18:30] <PulkoMandy> if you build something else, you are not haiku compatible, and stressing it out could avoid things built for a gcc4h system to mixup a gcc2h install[17:18:48] <PulkoMandy> mh...[17:18:49] *** jmelesky has joined #haiku[17:19:03] <PulkoMandy> lets rephrase it[17:19:18] <mmadia> right, like the SDL issues on haikuware of only working on gcc4hybrids or some such.[17:19:27] <PulkoMandy> the compatible option should be enabled everytime you build[17:19:32] <PulkoMandy> except if you break compatibility[17:19:46] <PulkoMandy> building a non-hybrid or a gcc4h image is an example of breaking[17:19:51] <gluon> where in the source tree are the freebsd wireless drivers?[17:20:15] <PulkoMandy> add-ons/kernel/drivers/net[17:20:27] <PulkoMandy> (if my memory is still working)[17:21:48] <gluon> thanks, I thought the ones there weren't 3rd party[17:22:21] <kurain> well, puklmandy, do you have some documents about the kernel[17:22:31] <kurain> the haiku kernel[17:22:37] <luroh> i'm still not getting it...how would i go about building an 'official' gcc2h if a detection system keeps flipping it to 'compatible'[17:23:09] <mmadia> the "?=" mean set it to this, only if the variable has no value.[17:23:16] <phoudoin> gluon: they all depends on freebsd_wlan compatbility layer, which lives under src/libs/compat/freebsd_wlan.[17:23:22] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[17:23:22] <mmadia> so, if you do --enable.... official, it'll stay as official.[17:23:29] <luroh> ah[17:24:39] *** baron has joined #haiku[17:26:15] <luroh> then again, would that help with the issue of people trying to install non-compatible stuff from haikuware?[17:27:03] <PulkoMandy> yes[17:27:16] <mmadia> ... mostly it'd just re-inforce that gcc2hybrid is the current release style.[17:27:19] <PulkoMandy> the 'haiku-compatible' label would be limited to these gcc2h builds[17:27:39] <PulkoMandy> something built on a gcc4 system should NOT have an haiku logo or mention on its page[17:27:39] <baron> Hi, does anybody what's up with Tycomsystems in Beshare?[17:27:49] <baron> a ver, no sé si en dos[17:28:17] <baron> *sorry xD[17:28:36] <PulkoMandy> and I guess haikuware has some filtering on platform, so they'd have {haiku, gcc4-Walter, gcc2-Walter, gcc4h-Walter, zeta, beos} there[17:28:49] <luroh> alright, sounds like it might be something worth trying[17:29:37] <PulkoMandy> later we could watermark packages for our package managing system asbeing 'haiku' or not[17:29:54] <mmadia> another possibility to resolve the library directory issues is to change runtime_loader to use different paths and to always assume lib/ = gcc2[17:30:09] <mmadia> couldn't we also waltermark them? :P[17:30:23] <luroh> hehe[17:30:30] *** baron is now known as Zetafan[17:30:56] <mmadia> Zetafan : you may have better luck on neonplasma (i think that's the other beshare server)[17:30:58] <PulkoMandy> mmadia: the runtime loader check the files and tells you when something is wrong[17:31:26] <luroh> at some point in time, i guess gcc4h will become the official release style[17:31:28] *** bradsco has quit IRC[17:31:39] <PulkoMandy> maybe we could make the error message more indicative... like adding 'likely this was built with the wrong compiler' or so[17:31:49] <PulkoMandy> luroh: yup. for R2.[17:32:01] <Zetafan> mmadia, yes, it's the server I'm using now, but I just wonder if Tycomsystems will be back or not :S[17:32:15] <luroh> at that point, we'd have a lot of haiku-compatible packages that are not compatible any more[17:33:06] <PulkoMandy> no, at that point we will have tweaks in the runtime loader to rewrite the path to gcc2 things on the fly[17:33:06] <luroh> i mean, isn't chaos to be expected when we change the rules in the future?[17:33:23] <PulkoMandy> and gcc4 compatibility will be broken so the gcc4 packages will have to be redoneanyway[17:33:37] <mmadia> redone & re-coded.[17:33:51] <PulkoMandy> but for that to workwe have to have a stable base system[17:34:13] <PulkoMandy> if we have to deal with binaries built on 4 different platforms, it will be a lot more complicated[17:35:48] <Zetafan> well, thank you for the info, bye ;)[17:35:54] *** Zetafan has quit IRC[17:36:07] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[17:36:59] *** michaelvo has joined #haiku[17:37:17] *** Barrett has quit IRC[17:37:30] *** michaelvo has quit IRC[17:37:48] *** saivert has quit IRC[17:37:52] <luroh> well, hopefully the first R2 alpha isn't that far away, and along with it will come the gcc4h official release style, i guess[17:38:11] <luroh> it's not like it's 10 years away[17:38:52] <gluon> my wifi card isn't supported by the wifi drivers in haiku, yet it works perfectly[17:38:57] <gluon> does this make sense?[17:38:59] *** velcroshooz has joined #haiku[17:39:47] <gluon> I mean, it's vendor ID isn't present in the driver code[17:40:30] <mmadia> what's the driver & card?[17:41:43] <gluon> Atheros AR9280 and I'm checking haiku/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/network/atheros813x[17:42:02] <mmadia> network/wlan[17:42:44] <gluon> shame on me :)[17:43:28] <kurain> well, time to sleep[17:43:31] <kurain> bye all[17:44:31] *** veve-mao has joined #haiku[17:45:04] *** Qeos has joined #haiku[17:45:31] *** naaina has quit IRC[17:45:58] *** kurain has left #haiku[17:46:04] *** saivert has joined #haiku[17:53:15] *** _arjen_ has joined #haiku[18:09:41] <ali3n0> hi guys, is there a way to make ethernet interface push a dhcp request?[18:11:12] <humdinger> ali3n0: I have really no idea... Have you tried the "Apply" button in the Network prefs?[18:12:09] <ali3n0> humdinger, yep I did it and it works[18:12:22] <humdinger> there you go[18:12:28] <ali3n0> I was looking for a cli command[18:12:56] <ali3n0> than I found my way through the gui[18:13:32] <ali3n0> would be cool to trigger it after ethernet unplug+plug[18:14:15] <phoudoin> it should do that already[18:14:38] <phoudoin> a tail -f /var/log/syslog should show some DHCP activity[18:14:50] *** l_n has joined #haiku[18:16:06] * l_n wonders why people think test results on a company's website are unbiased proof of efficacy..[18:16:19] <phoudoin> otherwise, you could do ifconfig /dev/net/your_net_card/0 down, then ifconfig /dev/net/your_net_card/0 auto-config[18:16:52] <l_n> show me a double-blind test and i'll accept it ;)[18:17:10] <l_n> oh, btw, hello.[18:17:12] <humdinger> +replication[18:18:24] <phoudoin> hello l_n ;-)[18:18:40] <phoudoin> ali3n0, still here?[18:18:47] <PulkoMandy> unplug/plug may just not be supported with some drivers[18:18:52] <ali3n0> PulkoMandy, yep sorry[18:18:55] <humdinger> probably pulled his ethernet :)[18:19:02] <ali3n0> I was playing around :)[18:19:03] <phoudoin> I guess, yes :-)[18:19:27] <phoudoin> I should have not say it should works, what an idiot I am! :-)[18:19:33] <l_n> "...i wonder what this cable's for?" *poof*[18:19:55] <phoudoin> so, ali3n0, does it works as expected?[18:20:07] <ali3n0> nope[18:20:12] <phoudoin> Good.[18:20:13] <phoudoin> :-)[18:20:14] <ali3n0> :)[18:20:22] <ali3n0> just reading syslog now to find out[18:21:08] <l_n> i havr to wondrr who the 9 people that yook interest in the libtransmission shared lib are[18:21:32] <ali3n0> if I plug the cable out it keeps the ip address it has before[18:21:35] <l_n> (stupid phone soft keyboard)[18:22:06] <humdinger> I did download and install it once, but had crashes. (which could be from the general unstable revision of Haiku I ran back then).[18:22:12] <humdinger> Haven't tried it since.[18:22:34] <humdinger> The libtransmission from the optional package runs quite well. "Never change a running system".[18:22:55] <phoudoin> ali3n0: your interface is not configured to static settings?[18:23:17] <l_n> libtransmission is built statically when you build transmission[18:23:36] <ali3n0> phoudoin, no is dhcp (defaul)[18:23:37] <phoudoin> Well, I tried myself the down + auto-config and with broadcom570x (bge) driver it doesn't works ;-)[18:23:38] <l_n> i made it a .so file for devel purposes[18:23:47] <humdinger> I see. So it was my user error... :)[18:24:17] <phoudoin> what's your card name (/dev/net/<here>/0) ?[18:24:17] <ali3n0> phoudoin, I was wrong, after timeout ip address is reset to 169.254.0.82 (??)[18:24:27] <ali3n0> rtl8169[18:24:37] <phoudoin> ouch.[18:24:41] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[18:24:45] <ali3n0> bad guy?[18:25:15] <phoudoin> the 169.254.0.82 is a local self-addressed IP, typically it's a fallback address when DHCP request failed.[18:25:32] <phoudoin> the rtl8169 is not known to be a good guy, nope.[18:25:32] <ali3n0> I wonder how chose it :)[18:25:39] <phoudoin> You can't![18:25:58] <ali3n0> I mean, who on earth has chosen it[18:26:00] <phoudoin> This driver loads because he found your rtl8169.[18:26:22] <phoudoin> remove your hardware, and he won't load anymore :-)[18:26:42] <phoudoin> More seriously, you're under r1a2 or a more recent build (nightly) ?[18:26:49] <ali3n0> eheh, it's a laptop, and best of all, it is a customer's one[18:26:58] <ali3n0> r1a2[18:27:23] <ali3n0> I wanted to fill in an entry for this laptop in haikuware db[18:27:31] *** Sir_Konrad has joined #haiku[18:27:33] <phoudoin> Because recently we've switched to the FreeBSD's rtl8xxx driver and dumped the rtl8169 one due to too many issues reported with the later.[18:27:34] <humdinger> BTW, I too have a 8169. Runs very well at home, but didn't at last BeGeistert. No idea why...[18:27:57] <phoudoin> humdinger: I had the same issue[18:28:06] <ali3n0> to be honest this is to be the only issue (not ask for dhcp)[18:28:13] <ali3n0> s/is/seems[18:28:16] <phoudoin> I suspect some PHY instability[18:29:03] <ali3n0> clicking on NetworkPrefs' apply runs like a charm[18:29:25] <humdinger> I hope "PHY" has stabilized until next BG or we'll have working WLAN there.[18:29:40] <phoudoin> There is two PHY used in rtl8xxx cards, with unfortunatly some subtle unsupported/disabled/faked features introduced after the gigabit -> fast ethernet downgrade of their chip family.[18:30:15] <phoudoin> humdinger: let's all cross our (relative) fingers for WLAN ;-)[18:30:28] <ali3n0> hints about testing bluetooth and wifi?[18:31:02] <humdinger> axeld is very quiet on that front.[18:31:05] <phoudoin> wifi: check if you have another entry than /dev/net/rtl8169/0[18:31:37] <phoudoin> humdinger: because he wants HaikuWare bounty ;-)[18:31:53] <ali3n0> phoudoin, nope :( and for power management?[18:32:03] <humdinger> I thought the bounty is already a done deal...[18:32:34] <humdinger> ali3n0: You may need some firmware for wifi first, see http://www.haiku-os.org/guides/daily-tasks/wireless[18:32:39] <phoudoin> Honestly, I dunno, but for next BG having a Wifi access point in WEP mode could be large enough already...[18:32:55] <ali3n0> humdinger, ah yeah[18:32:56] <phoudoin> so wifi adapter detected, no wifi.[18:33:36] <ali3n0> no interface other than rtl8169[18:33:44] <humdinger> Funnily I never managed to get WLAN+WEP working. So I just removed any encryption and tat works.[18:33:59] <phoudoin> For power management, we do have a little ACPI support, but no active monitoring (no fan control, as your eeepc 701 can attest), and such.[18:34:18] <phoudoin> ali3n0: what is your wifi adapter?[18:34:29] <humdinger> I think, if PowerStatus runs and shows your battery it's OK.[18:34:33] <ali3n0> phoudoin, mmm, have to check out the lenovo site, wait[18:34:46] <humdinger> ali3n0: or do a listdev[18:35:01] <phoudoin> listdev is far better in fact[18:35:49] <ali3n0> oh cool: Pro/Wireless 5100 AGN (Intel)[18:36:04] <phoudoin> humdinger: okay, a Wifi access point with no security, then...[18:36:09] <ali3n0> device 4237[18:36:20] <phoudoin> too recent[18:36:23] <ali3n0> (sorry can't cut & paste)[18:37:03] <phoudoin> it was not supported at r1a2 time[18:37:19] <humdinger> phoudoin: I think there was wifi at last BG. But can't remember if it worked... They may have some reservations against unsecure wlan, however...[18:37:48] <ali3n0> a way to test bluetooth?[18:38:47] <humdinger> Other that starting the Bluetooth prefs and see what happens, i dunno.[18:39:24] <phoudoin> and it's still not supported in latest revision. Sorry ali3n0. One should port latest FreeBSD iwn driver before you could expect to have wifi under Haiku...[18:39:50] *** The123king has quit IRC[18:39:53] <ali3n0> phoudoin, don't worry, it's not even my lap ;)[18:40:22] <phoudoin> AFAICT, only USB bluetooth dongles are supported[18:40:24] <ali3n0> humdinger, can't find the Bluetooth menu under preferences[18:40:32] <ali3n0> ah ok, no problem[18:40:49] <ali3n0> I was reading the suggested list on haikuware[18:40:56] <humdinger> ali3n0: it may not be part of the regular nightly or alpha2 images.[18:40:58] <ali3n0> I don't even care about those things[18:41:17] <phoudoin> but if you've builtin bluetooth in the laptop, it's often connected via internal USB bus[18:41:19] <humdinger> I'd love to use my bluetooth headphones...[18:41:45] *** The123king has joined #haiku[18:41:47] <ali3n0> well, I care about those actually, but just on my laptop ;)[18:41:49] *** lorglas has quit IRC[18:41:53] *** The123king has left #haiku[18:42:06] <phoudoin> The bluetooth stack is not promoted in public yet.[18:42:20] <phoudoin> But the driver should be there already...[18:42:23] <ali3n0> I thought: I've got a laptop I can play with, I'll try to help haiku project in someway[18:42:33] <humdinger> yeah, oliver is taking his good time with it... :)[18:42:56] <ali3n0> phoudoin, if loaded should be under /dev/net ?[18:43:06] <phoudoin> ls /dev/generic[18:43:13] <phoudoin> IIRC[18:43:30] <ali3n0> nope, no generic here[18:43:46] <ali3n0> ok, now you're going to kill me...[18:43:51] <ali3n0> webcam? :D[18:43:53] <phoudoin> shoot ;-)[18:43:54] <humdinger> maybe it's dev/bus[18:44:29] <ali3n0> humdinger, can't find it[18:44:35] <humdinger> webcom's sometimes make an appearance in the Mdia prefs, but I don't think they work yet...[18:44:44] <ali3n0> I mean bus is there ,but just usb and no clues of bluetooth[18:45:09] *** impy has quit IRC[18:45:09] <ali3n0> yes it is![18:45:30] <ali3n0> well, it's empty, just USB USB Webcam in the menu[18:45:43] *** impy has joined #haiku[18:45:46] *** impy has quit IRC[18:45:56] *** impy has joined #haiku[18:45:59] *** impy has quit IRC[18:46:09] *** impy has joined #haiku[18:46:23] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmadia[18:46:31] <humdinger> in or out, impy? :)[18:46:35] *** impy has joined #haiku[18:47:01] <phoudoin> regarding bluetooth, maybe it's under /dev/hg2[18:47:03] *** ChanServ sets mode: -o mmadia[18:48:47] <phoudoin> should go home. BBL.[18:49:05] <humdinger> cu phoudoin![18:49:10] *** phoudoin has left #haiku[18:49:43] <humdinger> should prepare dinner... what's "BBL"?[18:50:09] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[18:50:38] <humdinger> anyhoo...[18:50:40] *** humdinger has quit IRC[18:50:46] <mmadia> i'll be back later and will tell you.[18:54:06] * ali3n0 done it: http://haikuware.com/details/thinkpad-sl300[18:55:40] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[18:56:03] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[18:56:58] *** jmayfield has joined #haiku[18:57:44] *** adriano-src has quit IRC[18:59:23] *** iIngenu_ has quit IRC[19:02:44] *** andreas_dr has joined #haiku[19:04:50] *** acous has joined #haiku[19:08:30] *** _maniac_ is now known as maniac|aw[19:11:01] <Xeon3D> ali3n0: didn't check wireless, cardreader, bluetooth? :D[19:11:03] <Xeon3D> also,[19:11:20] <Xeon3D> It would be better if you could also add separate compatibility reports for each of the parts.[19:11:44] <ali3n0> Xeon3D, yeah maybe later I'll do it better now is dinnertime ;)[19:11:54] <ali3n0> wifi isn't working though[19:12:01] <Xeon3D> have a nice dinner then :D[19:12:08] <Xeon3D> ali3n0: which wifi card you got?[19:12:15] <ali3n0> and for bluetooth I didn't find it either[19:12:34] <ali3n0> Xeon3D, if you scroll up you'll find everything ;)[19:12:56] <ali3n0> <ali3n0> oh cool: Pro/Wireless 5100 AGN (Intel)[19:13:56] <Xeon3D> ali3n0: there are drivers for it on haikuware[19:14:17] <Xeon3D> it was working on earlier rev's, not sure about the later ones.[19:14:39] <Xeon3D> Bluetooth you need to have it compiled in I think.[19:15:10] <Xeon3D> the unnoficcial builds @ www.emupt.com/haiku/nightlies/ have it in.[19:15:12] <Xeon3D> I think.[19:15:28] <Xeon3D> then again, they don't :P[19:15:37] <ali3n0> Xeon3D, maybe I'll download and fire it up eventually[19:15:47] <ali3n0> but not sure how long I can keep it[19:15:54] <ali3n0> gotta go, see you later ciao[19:15:57] <Xeon3D> bye[19:16:32] * Xeon3D is going to delete those builds of his, and start praying that someone rewrites a guide on how to pull and compile it with the new changes...[19:16:54] *** Sir_Konrad has quit IRC[19:19:13] *** toni__ has quit IRC[19:19:50] *** toni__ has joined #haiku[19:24:28] *** x-pilot has joined #haiku[19:29:30] <l_n> ping.[19:29:33] <Xeon3D> pong[19:29:34] *** knut_ has joined #haiku[19:29:39] <Xeon3D> (very late pong btw)[19:29:45] <Xeon3D> Disreali: you there?[19:30:15] <l_n> nein! nein! nein![19:30:15] <mmadia> Xeon3D : http://www.haiku-os.org/community/forum/haiku_needs_money#comment-16573 ;)[19:31:11] * l_n has misplaced his mind.[19:32:07] <Xeon3D> mmadia: ?[19:32:20] * Xeon3D is a bit slow today[19:32:32] <mmadia> grep "Xeon3D" on the page[19:32:51] <Xeon3D> no results :P[19:33:00] <Xeon3D> need to login? :D[19:33:09] <mmadia> oh. yeah, i just posted it.[19:34:12] *** OlaHughson has joined #haiku[19:34:56] <Xeon3D> oh[19:34:59] <Xeon3D> I see it now :)[19:35:14] <Xeon3D> so the kickstarter thing doesn't let you create a pledge yet?[19:35:20] <Xeon3D> *a project?[19:35:42] <mmadia> it looks like there's a review/approval stage for now.[19:36:14] <mmadia> so... we haven't yet had a reason to test it -- we didn't want to delay axel's contract & fundraiser for it.[19:38:15] *** Ingenu has joined #haiku[19:38:30] *** surround1r has quit IRC[19:38:48] *** surrounder has joined #haiku[19:39:37] <PulkoMandy> :)[19:39:45] * PulkoMandy sees a package maager bounty coming up[19:40:12] <Xeon3D> I think that review/approval stage won't go away, else you'll see people creating kickstarter projects for the stupidiest things.[19:40:32] <Xeon3D> Anyway, I still think there's plenty of good money in there for Haiku.[19:41:01] <Xeon3D> Everytime I see people getting >10k for things I consider minor...[19:41:02] <PulkoMandy> well, it may not be up to haiku inc to decide what project is stupid[19:41:11] <PulkoMandy> if one dev want to do it and get paid ...[19:41:19] <Xeon3D> ?[19:41:27] <Xeon3D> PulkoMandy: I think you're getting me wrong.[19:41:33] <Xeon3D> I was speaking about Kickstarter.[19:41:46] <PulkoMandy> yes[19:41:50] <Xeon3D> As in, Haiku Inc, creating a project for R1[19:42:02] <mmadia> with kickstarter's "all-or-nothing" style of fundraising, i'd personally be open to a larger pool of possible contracts.[19:42:14] <PulkoMandy> yes[19:42:17] <Xeon3D> yes :)[19:42:31] <PulkoMandy> it would also act as a popularity meter[19:42:34] <Xeon3D> imagine pledging for 100k for an R1 release..[19:42:36] <Xeon3D> or 50k[19:42:37] <Xeon3D> idk[19:42:37] <PulkoMandy> which is a feature lacking from trac[19:42:57] <Xeon3D> all that money could go into hiring developers... them being new to the project or not.[19:43:20] <PulkoMandy> I don't like much the idea of hiring external developpers[19:43:22] <Xeon3D> I have nothing against the good coders getting paid for their services.[19:43:45] <Xeon3D> people are getting more than 10k for coffee table books ...[19:44:17] <Xeon3D> AMATEUR THURSDAYS: A Webcast About Books <- 7K[19:44:30] <PulkoMandy> but anyway, it's nice to see that haiku is going in some "commercial open source" way[19:45:16] <mmadia> to give you an idea, at the end of this month, over $9,000 will have been donated in 2010.[19:45:47] <mmadia> though some of that is money from R1A1 cd sales, that had a delayed pay-out from cafepress.[19:46:07] <mmadia> but that's without the $3.5K coming from GSoC sometime in the fall![19:46:15] <PulkoMandy> well... we just need an R1 to sell next :)[19:46:37] <mmadia> or a release that can be installed from CD :|[19:46:46] <Xeon3D> mmadia: well you could get the same 10k or more from kickstarter in less time, i think.[19:47:22] <mmadia> Xeon3D : ok, i'll send an email to [haiku-inc] about kickstarter ... to plant some seeds.[19:47:43] <PulkoMandy> we need shirts to sell at RMLL and other meetings, still[19:48:16] <mmadia> ... yeah, that fell apart :|[19:48:34] <PulkoMandy> mmadia: I was also thinking about just printing some leafs on blank cd-r (without any version info or whatever), then burn them as needed with the latest release[19:48:49] <PulkoMandy> this way we can order a big number of cd, get a low price, and use them for a long time[19:48:52] *** andreas_dr has quit IRC[19:48:53] <mmadia> release or nightly?[19:49:05] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[19:49:07] <PulkoMandy> whatever people asks for at meeting[19:49:22] <PulkoMandy> we had some blank cds at the rmll and we burned them when people wanted one[19:49:34] <PulkoMandy> but having leaves on them would make it look better :)[19:50:09] <PulkoMandy> and maybe some 'share this cd, pass it around you' or whatever mention on it[19:50:30] <mmadia> one concern is needing to fulfill the 'provide source code (offer)' for [L]GPL and friends.[19:50:45] <mmadia> ... i'm not even sure that we're compliant wrt our nightly images.[19:50:59] <mmadia> let alone physical goods.[19:51:01] <PulkoMandy> well we can burn the sourcecode on-demand too[19:51:14] <PulkoMandy> that's precisely why it's nice to have blank cds[19:51:22] <mmadia> true.[19:51:25] <PulkoMandy> whatever people ask for, you give them a nice disk :)[20:00:17] *** cobra-the-joker has joined #haiku[20:00:41] <cobra-the-joker> hey guys ... does haiku use GNU ?[20:02:49] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[20:02:50] <mmadia> as in the coreutils?[20:03:07] <cobra-the-joker> aha[20:03:54] *** viller has joined #haiku[20:06:50] *** kitallis has quit IRC[20:10:18] <cobra-the-joker> mmadia , you didnt answer me :D[20:10:58] <mmadia> yes.[20:11:23] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[20:11:29] <cobra-the-joker> so its a new kernel ... new DE and GNU ...right ?[20:12:47] <l_n> new os borrowing coreutils until someone rewrites them :P[20:13:20] <cobra-the-joker> :D[20:13:35] <cobra-the-joker> it boots really fast .... i think faster than that Chromium OS[20:13:54] * l_n would be happy to see no GPL code in haiku[20:14:06] <OlaHughson> l_n, why?[20:14:38] <PulkoMandy> gpl is evil[20:14:57] <DraX> gpl isn't evil, just authoritarian[20:15:03] <l_n> i don't agree with some of rms's views on redistribution[20:15:17] <cobra-the-joker> well .... me too[20:15:27] <cobra-the-joker> but what do you want it to be ?[20:15:31] <cobra-the-joker> BSD ?[20:15:34] <OlaHughson> is not evil.[20:15:36] <OlaHughson> It;s good.[20:15:49] <OlaHughson> if you want to do somethingg, tell how you do that. Don;t make a monopoly.[20:15:51] <l_n> mit[20:16:11] <DraX> OlaHughson: it only really works if people believe in it, the GPL tries to force people to believe in it[20:16:16] <DraX> and instead just engenders FUD[20:16:18] <OlaHughson> i believe.[20:16:44] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[20:17:28] *** HaikuUser is now known as Cian[20:18:44] <l_n> google.com/m?q=why+gpl+is+bad[20:18:57] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[20:19:01] <Cian> interesting bug in web+, you can log on to meebo but you can't send messages as it interprets return as a newline in the text box[20:19:11] <Cian> web+ trac or haiku trac for that?[20:19:22] <mmadia> haiku trac is fine these days[20:20:18] <Cian> I was amazed it even logged in and rendered everything right, meebo is a fairly wanky AJAX site[20:21:21] *** lorenzo has joined #haiku[20:21:35] *** ambroff has joined #haiku[20:22:03] <l_n> try shift+enter[20:22:13] <Cian> l_n tried, doesn't do anything[20:22:28] <Cian> I notice it doesn't work for gmail's search either, could be browser-wide[20:23:18] <mmadia> gmail only works properly in basic html mode.[20:23:44] <Cian> I also appear to be unable to log in to trac (password getting boinged)[20:24:31] <Cian> nevermind...[20:24:50] *** cobra-the-joker has quit IRC[20:27:03] <CIA-54> laplace * r37761 /haiku/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs):[20:27:03] <CIA-54> * Added files used by PDF Writer to the image[20:27:03] <CIA-54> (closed ticket #6380).[20:27:03] <CIA-54> * Changed path to /boot/common/settings.[20:27:03] <CIA-54> Someone feel free to change the implementation to get[20:27:03] <CIA-54> the path from find_directory(...).[20:27:15] *** StreaK|ON has joined #haiku[20:27:31] <StreaK|ON> hi all[20:28:16] *** rgc has joined #haiku[20:30:38] *** tqh has joined #haiku[20:30:58] *** Cian2 has joined #haiku[20:31:05] <Cian2> ...and with that I had a kdl...[20:31:21] *** Cian has quit IRC[20:31:38] *** Cian2 is now known as Cian[20:34:48] *** rgc has left #haiku[20:39:20] *** StreaK|ON has quit IRC[20:41:06] *** yourpalal has joined #haiku[20:41:39] *** Cian has quit IRC[20:42:31] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[20:42:43] *** Cian has joined #haiku[20:42:55] <Cian> ...physically moving the PC while it was running also isn't a good idea it appears[20:43:59] *** viller has left #haiku[20:44:34] *** leszek has joined #haiku[20:48:04] *** StreaK|ON has joined #haiku[20:49:04] <StreaK|ON> Anyone have email to 3dEyes?, please send to my PM[20:49:45] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[20:53:32] *** odites has joined #haiku[20:53:33] *** l_n has quit IRC[20:53:48] <leszek> re[20:53:57] *** xray7224 has joined #haiku[20:53:59] *** ziomatto has joined #haiku[20:54:16] *** JoeyA has joined #haiku[20:55:10] <Cian> OpenTTD 1.x seems to work pretty much fine on a gcc2h build[20:56:03] <Cian> I've just managed to break the media_server in the process of finding out, reboot time[20:56:04] *** Cian has quit IRC[20:57:54] *** Cian has joined #haiku[20:59:53] <leszek> StreaK|ON: you didn't received any mail from me ?[21:04:49] *** NightlyUser has joined #haiku[21:06:24] <eml> \o[21:09:52] *** marc_smith has quit IRC[21:15:05] *** IIsi50MHz has joined #haiku[21:15:21] <CIA-54> czeidler * r37762 /haiku/trunk/headers/private/shared/Referenceable.h: Add conversion operator to the BReference class.[21:16:26] *** Xbertl has joined #haiku[21:16:54] *** elliottcable is now known as v88d88tikigod[21:17:01] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[21:19:05] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[21:19:09] *** v88d88tikigod is now known as elliottcable[21:20:54] *** Xbertl has joined #haiku[21:28:13] <Xeon3D> yo eml, IIsi50MHz , elliottcable ... long time no see[21:32:06] *** bradsco has joined #haiku[21:32:19] *** Cian has quit IRC[21:33:59] *** oxoocoffee has joined #haiku[21:34:37] *** velcroshooz has quit IRC[21:34:37] *** oxoocoffee has quit IRC[21:35:10] *** oxoocoffee has joined #haiku[21:35:51] <NightlyUser> what happened to mr sunshine and his d bindings? i remember he came across multiple inheritance, did he ever get past that?[21:37:04] *** tqh has quit IRC[21:38:56] *** brennanos has joined #haiku[21:39:10] <brennanos> is there a remote desktop client that will run on Haiku?[21:39:54] <NightlyUser> dunno if there's one on haikuware[21:41:12] *** lulinha has joined #haiku[21:41:12] *** lulinha has left #haiku[21:46:36] <Anarchos> compiling the latest rev with gcc2 : "gcc: cannot specify -o with -c or -S and multiple compilations"[21:49:00] <Anarchos> well configure says to me that i have to download the latest version of gcc2[21:49:30] *** warpdesign has joined #haiku[21:51:08] *** ker has joined #haiku[21:52:36] *** velcroshooz has joined #haiku[21:53:05] *** toni_ has joined #haiku[21:54:07] *** toni__ has quit IRC[21:54:35] *** ali3n0 has quit IRC[21:55:25] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[21:55:32] <brennanos> oh cool there is[21:55:35] <brennanos> and it even works[21:57:18] * IIsi50MHz looks back in[21:57:43] <Anarchos> brennanos which one ??[21:57:45] <IIsi50MHz> Allo Xeon3D.[21:57:53] <brennanos> rdesktop[21:57:55] <IIsi50MHz> Didn't notice the nick-mention sound[21:58:12] <IIsi50MHz> Which version of rdesktop?[21:58:14] <brennanos> http://haikuware.com/directory/view-details/internet-network/remote-access/rdesktop[21:59:11] <brennanos> 1.5[21:59:11] <IIsi50MHz> Cool.[21:59:24] <brennanos> now I need a multiprotocol chat client[21:59:38] <IIsi50MHz> Haha, someone got carried away with the license field on that page.[22:00:40] <brennanos> im impressed with webpositive so far[22:00:44] <brennanos> since last time i tried it[22:00:46] <IIsi50MHz> Hrm, when did Pandora stop showing the qualities of each song?[22:00:54] <brennanos> I just tried PC-BSD and was quite disappointed[22:01:03] <brennanos> I thought I would give haiku another whirl[22:01:10] <IIsi50MHz> Like "sonority" and stuff. I miss it.[22:01:12] <NightlyUser> brennanos: there is caya[22:01:24] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[22:01:27] <NightlyUser> http://dev.osdrawer.net/projects/caya[22:01:44] <brennanos> thanks[22:01:47] <NightlyUser> np[22:02:11] *** raichoo has joined #haiku[22:02:37] <Anarchos> brennanos ok it is to access from beos to a windows nt, right ?[22:02:42] <Anarchos> i need the inverse :)[22:03:14] *** marc_smith has joined #haiku[22:03:31] *** raichoo has quit IRC[22:03:47] <IIsi50MHz> All I found were various servers, like http, ftp, and streaming.[22:06:04] <brennanos> hm, unfortunately Meebo isnt working[22:06:11] <brennanos> via Netpositive[22:06:22] <brennanos> Anarchos doesnt vnc run on Haiku?[22:06:32] <brennanos> Webpositive[22:06:33] <brennanos> ha[22:06:44] <Anarchos> brennanos meebo works on webpositive, i am on it :)[22:06:51] <Anarchos> brennanos vnc ? maybe i don't know[22:07:01] <brennanos> really?[22:07:13] <brennanos> when I hit Enter to send am essage I get a carraige return instead of sending[22:07:33] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[22:08:34] *** dru345 has joined #haiku[22:09:18] *** _gringo has quit IRC[22:09:20] <NightlyUser> PulkoMandy: i like your progress report on the locale stuff, keep up the good work[22:10:04] *** Sir_Konrad has joined #haiku[22:10:26] <brennanos> Anarchos: you can send message via Meebo ok?[22:10:45] <dru345> hello o/[22:10:52] <marc_smith> damn, I used to have more luck with Haiku than with Minix3 ... I think I'll stick to it[22:10:53] <Anarchos> brennanos yes[22:10:58] <brennanos> Anarchos: weird[22:11:03] <brennanos> why cant i[22:11:30] *** StreaK|ON has quit IRC[22:14:09] *** 17SAA5PZQ has quit IRC[22:15:06] <brennanos> Anarchos: so you hit Enter and the messages send[22:15:12] <brennanos> nothing else required[22:15:13] *** Shisui has quit IRC[22:16:07] <Anarchos> brennanos i mean on msn via meebo :)[22:16:14] <brennanos> hm[22:16:16] *** leszek has quit IRC[22:16:29] *** yourpalal_ has joined #haiku[22:16:35] <brennanos> do you have an aim or yahoo acct?[22:16:42] <brennanos> can you try sending me a msg?[22:17:10] *** yourpalal has quit IRC[22:20:16] * IIsi50MHz ponders whether he dares try to add sleep/suspend support for the Presario 4505[22:21:21] <Anarchos> brennanos no just msn sorry[22:24:06] *** oco2 has joined #haiku[22:27:02] *** Malmis has quit IRC[22:28:33] *** IIsi50MHz has quit IRC[22:29:04] *** Malmis has joined #haiku[22:29:16] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[22:30:06] *** nisstyre65 has joined #haiku[22:41:00] *** davisr has joined #haiku[22:41:24] *** davisr has quit IRC[22:43:09] *** StreaK|ON has joined #haiku[22:44:07] <StreaK|ON> any of You noticed that gcc2 screensavers not work in gcc4 and gcc4h?[22:44:40] <StreaK|ON> or i mess up my system, with some crap.. again :), and SS not work :/[22:45:05] <StreaK|ON> gcc2 beos native SS[22:46:38] *** rennj has quit IRC[22:51:02] <Duggan> hey StreaK|ON[22:52:22] *** brennanos has quit IRC[22:55:06] <StreaK|ON> hey Duggan[22:55:40] <dru345> hi Duggan, StreaK|ON[22:56:18] *** raichoo has joined #haiku[23:00:04] <Duggan> hey dru345[23:00:17] <Duggan> made alot of progress after you left last night[23:00:32] <ker> I'm installing HaikuOS on VirtualBox. it's taking more than 1 hour, is this normal?[23:00:38] *** ziomatto has quit IRC[23:01:04] <Duggan> ker, sorry, I run on native hardware, I don't know :/ doesn't sound it though...[23:01:20] <ker> Duggan, how's haiku on native hardware?[23:01:36] <Duggan> works good for me... it has its quirks but thats because of my hardware[23:01:56] <ker> is there a list of supported "features" ?[23:02:04] <Duggan> I've been using nothing but haiku for.... over a month now I guess if not two[23:02:06] *** Sir_Konrad has quit IRC[23:02:21] <Duggan> ker erm.... if there was it would be a very large list...[23:02:30] <Duggan> its an operating system after all hehe[23:02:46] <ker> yeah I need to read the FAQ :)[23:02:53] <Anarchos> Duggan more than a year :)[23:03:03] <Duggan> Anarchos haha good stuff[23:03:53] *** Sir_Konrad has joined #haiku[23:04:26] *** largo has quit IRC[23:04:44] *** OlaHughson has quit IRC[23:05:11] *** OlaHughson has joined #haiku[23:05:33] *** Ola__ has joined #haiku[23:06:14] <Anarchos> Duggan i bought my version of beos you know...[23:07:52] *** Malmis_ has joined #haiku[23:08:16] *** marc_smith has quit IRC[23:09:26] <Duggan> I bought mine too but that doesn't mean it worked on my hardware :/[23:09:41] <Duggan> but I mean I haven't booted into any OS but haiku in over a month[23:09:59] *** raichoo has quit IRC[23:10:16] <gordonjcp> I'd like to be at that point[23:10:37] <gordonjcp> but I need to write AX.25 support first, and I suspect that's going to be an overambitiously large job[23:10:40] *** NightlyUser has quit IRC[23:11:07] *** Malmis has quit IRC[23:11:20] *** Malmis has joined #haiku[23:12:07] <Duggan> gordonjcp sounds like it :/[23:12:34] <gordonjcp> I can probably fake a lot of it with userspace apps[23:13:36] *** JoeyA has quit IRC[23:13:59] *** acous has quit IRC[23:15:00] *** velcroshooz has quit IRC[23:15:39] *** Malmis_ has quit IRC[23:16:19] <StreaK|ON> hey dru345 :)[23:17:55] <Duggan> the niue visual designer is handy once you learn its quirks[23:19:27] *** x-pilot has quit IRC[23:19:28] <Anarchos> Duggan the what ??[23:19:34] <Duggan> Niue[23:19:36] <Duggan> its an ide[23:19:42] <Duggan> it has a visual window designer[23:19:52] *** aphedox_ has joined #haiku[23:19:53] *** acoos has joined #haiku[23:20:06] <Duggan> its buggy and its not got alot of controls on it, but it certainly helps with the layout (if you're not using the new layout manager stuff)[23:20:11] * dru345 wonders if Duggan did the columnview test app yet :)[23:20:40] <Duggan> dru345 I'm making a window for the classification fields (well 2 of them anyway) and then I'll add the columnlistview :P[23:20:54] <Duggan> btw I made a lot of progress since you left last night[23:21:52] *** aphedox has quit IRC[23:22:15] <dru345> glad to hear it (progress)[23:22:31] <brobostigon> good night all,sleep well.[23:22:35] <Duggan> l8r brobostigon[23:22:40] <dru345> goodnight brobostigon[23:23:11] *** brobostigon has quit IRC[23:25:03] *** bmp has joined #haiku[23:25:46] <bmp> Just to verify that I'm reading this documentation right: if I want to build Haiku from Haiku a2, all I have to do is checkout haiku/haiku, run ./configure with no options, and then jam, and I'm good for a GCC 2 Hybrid system?[23:26:19] <dru345> almost[23:27:37] <dru345> http://www.haiku-os.org/guides/building/gcc-hybrid[23:27:48] <StreaK|ON> Duggan, Niue has visual gui creator?[23:27:51] <StreaK|ON> where?[23:28:19] <StreaK|ON> i didnt noticed it, when i was testing it 1,5 yr ago[23:29:19] *** acoos is now known as acous[23:29:46] <StreaK|ON> Fart bar :) straight from Polish shop :) http://omploader.org/vNTF6bA yummy[23:29:51] <StreaK|ON> love it ;)[23:30:12] <dru345> disturbing :P[23:30:43] <StreaK|ON> fart in polish = lucky :)[23:31:27] <Duggan> tools->visual designer[23:31:36] <Ola__> StreaK|ON, ?[23:32:08] <Ola__> I know what fart means in polish , I AM polish :>[23:32:18] <Duggan> lol[23:32:23] <gordonjcp> heh[23:32:41][23:32:51] <StreaK|ON> Ola_ , agree :)[23:33:59] *** velcroshooz has joined #haiku[23:35:49] *** largo has joined #haiku[23:36:54] *** dflemstr has joined #haiku[23:37:19] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[23:37:51] *** odites has quit IRC[23:38:13] *** surround1r has 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