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[00:38:24] <Anarchos> Debugger tells me there is no source file for my function :/
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[01:06:50] <largo> I take it that everyone knows that the disk sizes aren't showing up again in the installer in the latest nightly?
[01:06:56] <largo> (in Virtualbox here)
[01:07:09] <l_n> largo: why'd you break it? ;)
[01:07:35] <largo> sowwy ;__;
[01:09:57] * l_n goes back to his studying.
[01:13:24] <luroh> largo: you are right, i hadn't noticed (real hw here)
[01:14:59] <largo> thanks for double checking. :)
[01:15:10] <luroh> np
[01:15:18] <largo> should I check and see if a bug is filed and file one if not?
[01:15:36] <luroh> sounds like a good idea
[01:15:40] <largo> k
[01:21:32] <l_n> i have to wonder if i should fully understand the API's i'll be working with or just look shit up as i get to it...
[01:21:36] <l_n> :P
[01:26:49] <mmadia> anyone have a generated directory with objects of a recent revision?
[01:28:19] <l_n> i take it build-o-matic does the equivalent of a 'make distclean' after every build?
[01:28:48] <mmadia> rm -rf objects/ tmp/ downloads/ attributes/   and it re-configures each time too.
[01:28:55] <luroh> mmadia: yes, gcc2 and gcc4
[01:29:08] <mmadia>  /generated/x86gcc2> cat objects/haiku/common/apps/installer/en.catkeys
[01:29:09] <mmadia>  1       english x-vnd.Haiku-Installer   0
[01:29:20] <mmadia> that's on Haiku & FreeBSD
[01:29:34] <mmadia> gcc4 as well.
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[01:30:58] <luroh> gcc2 yes, checking gcc4...
[01:31:39] <luroh> yep, both
[01:33:06] <mmadia> is that on Haiku, linux, ..?
[01:33:10] <luroh> linux
[01:34:42] <luroh> both of them clean builds, including buildtools
[01:35:01] <luroh> 37730
[01:35:22] <mmadia> yeah, i'm gonna try reverting the tree to http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/37723 - 1 and rebuild
[01:35:59] <luroh> aye, looks suspicious
[01:37:52] <luroh> otoh, i never use installer so it could have been broken since r1a2 without me noticing
[01:38:16] <Duggan> if I'm using a listview and I want to invoke an item, can I pull the item out of the message or do I use the CurrentSelection()?
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[01:38:49] <Duggan> and by "invoke" I mean double clicking sends a message, not using the Invoke() function
[01:39:31] <Duggan> hrm.... looking at the Invoke() function, theres a "source"... wonder if thats for double clicked items too...
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[01:41:24] <Duggan> oh misread it...
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[01:42:12] <Duggan> thought its description was different than the one for SetInvocationMessage()...
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[01:57:52] <Anarchos> Debugger tells me there is no source file for my function :/
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[04:07:35] <Duggan> hey l_n
[04:09:57] <l_n> hello.
[04:13:06] <Duggan> kind of proud of myself... finished v00.00.01 of my current project lol
[04:13:41] <l_n> which is?
[04:14:29] <Duggan> eh its a developer tool of sorts
[04:15:03] <Duggan> I haven't "officially" announced it... I'm hoping one day to pleasantly surprise people with a nice product
[04:16:16] <l_n> i'm thinking the hardest part of the transmission gui is going to be learning beapi/c++ while writing it...
[04:16:34] <l_n> libtransmission is actually fairly straightforward.
[04:16:46] <Duggan> I still have no clue what transmission is :/
[04:16:49] <l_n> (i say that now.. i'll probably end up with something that doesn't work :( )
[04:17:11] <l_n> it's a bittorrent client that is open source and extremely lightweight
[04:17:18] <Duggan> ah cool
[04:17:32] <Duggan> hint: don't use BColumnListView :/
[04:18:07] <Duggan> which I say even though I'm eventually going to have to implement it in my current project :'(
[04:18:49] <l_n> hrm.. it seems i'll have to touch(1) the file i want before running Pe (i have Pe set to start with the open file dialog)
[04:21:26] <l_n> wtf. web+ isn't opening in a new tab when i two-finger tap a link in the bebook
[04:23:08] <Duggan> web+ has some issues as far as opening new tabs and reusing existing ones...
[04:23:30] <Duggan> it usually opens a new tab but sometimes it uses whatever the current tab is
[04:23:37] <Duggan> at least for me :/
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[04:24:47] <l_n> i only see that behaviour if i'm browsing file:// URI's
[04:25:11] <Duggan> I get it when I click on links in vision
[04:25:12] <Duggan> hey Ziusudra
[04:25:35] <l_n> vision always opens a new window for me (and that may be because i keep web+ and vision on different desktops)
[04:28:00] <Duggan> I used to never use workspaces, I don't know how I did it now...
[04:28:14] <Duggan> of course if I ever boot into windows I won't be able to copy and paste a damned thing
[04:29:48] <l_n> alt-c -> alt-v is *very* convenient :)
[04:30:20] <l_n> actually, i don't think i really use the mouse that much anymore...
[04:30:38] <l_n> i use *a lot* of keyboard shortcuts.
[04:31:10] <Duggan> I haven't used the mouse for that stuff for a loooong time
[04:31:28] <Duggan> ctrl+c, ctrl+v seems a bit more erm... "ergonomic"
[04:31:43] <Duggan> maybe because I'm not used to using alt yet
[04:33:24] <l_n> it seems BApplication, BWindow, and BView are the three most important objects..
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[04:44:04] <Duggan> l_n lol yeah pretty much
[04:44:39] <Duggan> l_n what are you using for reference?
[04:46:49] <Duggan> might I suggest http://oreilly.com/catalog/beosprog/book/
[04:47:06] <Duggan> as well as darkwyrm's book but I haven't been through it much
[04:47:30] <cpr420> that book is available as a single pdf on the Haiku site
[04:48:06] <Duggan> oh it is? I missed the link....
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[04:49:26] <l_n> Duggan: the be book currently.. and i'm downloading darkwyrm's book
[04:49:33] <cpr420> http://www.haiku-os.org/legacy-docs/programming_the_be_operating_system.pdf
[04:49:41] <l_n> i've got that pdf
[04:50:34] <l_n> s/\(wy.*s\)\ book/\1\ lessons/
[04:51:23] <Duggan> cpr420, is there not a link to it though?... I'm completely missing it if there is
[04:51:25] <l_n> i think i should stop for a minute and really read darkwyrm's lessons.. i really don't want to do a really shitty frontend for something like transmission
[04:51:37] <cpr420> it's in the documents area
[04:51:59] <cpr420> http://www.haiku-os.org/documents
[04:52:01] <Duggan> oh ok gotcha
[04:52:06] <Duggan> was looking at the dev docs
[04:52:10] <away_> hi Duggan
[04:52:14] <l_n> Duggan: the documentation link at the top of the main site :P
[04:52:15] <Duggan> hey dru345
[04:52:22] <Duggan> I got it I got it, I see it now :P
[04:52:25] <Duggan> sheesh lol
[04:52:35] <Duggan> was looking at the docs under development :/
[04:52:37] * l_n wanders off to RTFM
[04:52:42] <Duggan> me and my stupid mistakes...
[04:52:44] <Duggan> l8r l_n
[04:52:54] <Duggan> hey dru345, I got an alpha for you
[04:53:36] <away_> ok. I've been looking at your columnview ticket again. i did cure the symptom. the root of the problem is something different.
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[04:54:01] <Duggan> yep.... I didn't mean to sound condescending or anything if I did...
[04:54:21] <Duggan> thought you'd've cced yourself, thats why I didn't mention it, sorry
[04:54:22] <dru345> well, I most just wish I'd seen it weeks ago lol
[04:54:38] <dru345> yeah i didn't check my haiku mail in awhile.
[04:54:50] <Duggan> haiku mail?
[04:54:51] <Duggan> lol
[04:55:01] <dru345> i use a diff address for haiku stuff :P
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[04:55:03] <Duggan> I wish I had an email at hiaku :P
[04:55:11] <Duggan> I wish i had one at haiku too :P
[04:55:28] <Duggan> but yeah, sorry...
[04:55:31] <dru345> i mean the email addy i use for haiku stuff :P
[04:55:31] <l_n> @haiku-os.org would be nice :)
[04:55:34] <dru345> it's alright
[04:55:39] <Duggan> l_n thats what I mean ;)
[04:55:39] <dru345> yes it would l_n :)
[04:55:56] <l_n> i guess you have to earn commit access first, though :P
[04:56:06] <Duggan> no doubt all the devs get those emails :P
[04:56:11] <Duggan> yep
[04:56:23] <Duggan> dru345 whats a good way for me to send you a binary?
[04:56:33] <dru345> anyway you want?
[04:56:49] <Duggan> ok, lemme try a dcc... never done that one before...
[04:56:57] <dru345> oh dcc sucks with vision
[04:57:04] <dru345> that one, not gonna work :)
[04:57:27] <Duggan> now you tell me :/
[04:57:38] <dru345> oh!
[04:57:42] <Duggan> it says its working?
[04:57:42] <dru345> wow that's a first
[04:57:45] <Duggan> lol
[04:57:53] <dru345> maybe because i'm not in vision lol
[04:57:58] <Duggan> lol maybe
[04:58:04] <Duggan> you in haiku at all?
[04:58:15] <dru345> yes i have the vm open
[04:58:20] <Duggan> ah ok cool
[04:58:41] <l_n> meh. haiku should be run on real hw :P
[04:58:45] <Duggan> btw, I hid all the stuff that isn't working right now ;) so if it looks scarce, thats why... but theres alot more going on than what you see
[04:58:49] * l_n returns to lurking.
[04:58:51] <Duggan> l_n it is, here
[04:58:53] <Duggan> l8r l_n
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[04:59:22] <Duggan> dru345 oh and you need sqlite
[04:59:40] <dru345> on haiku? :P
[04:59:42] <Duggan> so if you don't have it, pick it up with installoptionalpackage but I think web+ uses it
[04:59:46] <Duggan> dru345 yes lol
[04:59:59] <dru345> i think web+ uses it
[05:00:17] <Duggan> so if you've got web+, you've already got it.... but just in case...
[05:01:23] <Duggan> I want to play Doom in dosbox run in wine run in linux run in qemu in haiku :P
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[05:02:45] <Duggan> hehe... haiku->linux->windows->dos->game
[05:03:16] <Duggan> or maybe.... myst.... run in win3.11 in dosbox in wine in linux in qemu in haiku...
[05:04:01] <dru345> anyway on DriveSetup, http://imagebin.org/106648 , the delete row stuff in Interface Kit is written as if the # of rows in the screenshot is 5, not 3. that's why there's always a carry over and scrollbar gets longer. it never gets to the code to decrement the the (actual) children's heights. also, it thinks all the parents are children.
[05:05:20] <Duggan> no the delete row is only called for the actual children (in this case 3) therefore you would expect those children to be deleted recursively, but that doesn't seem to happen
[05:05:31] <Duggan> how the height is calculated is completely beyond me
[05:06:04] <Duggan> which is why the height would increase by 2 each refresh (in this case)
[05:06:05] <Duggan> brb
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[05:26:11] <Duggan> back, sorry
[05:26:36] <Duggan> dru345 you try that program yet?
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[05:28:21] <dru345> sorry, i'm getting to it :)
[05:29:06] <Duggan> lol no prob
[05:29:11] <Duggan> like I said its incredibly simple right now
[05:29:17] <Duggan> but it works :P
[05:29:30] <Duggan> I'm actually using it already lol
[05:31:42] <dru345> i get an error trying to open it
[05:31:52] <Duggan> what error?
[05:32:17] <dru345> "Could not open with application 'Tracker' (Invalid Argument)"
[05:32:26] <Duggan> hrm....
[05:32:28] <dru345> it does see it as a BeApp tho
[05:32:33] <Duggan> try opening it from within terminal
[05:32:36] <dru345> ok
[05:33:17] <dru345> that gives me 'operation not allowed'
[05:33:23] <Duggan> check the permissions of it
[05:33:32] <Duggan> make sure its set to execute
[05:33:36] <dru345> lol yeah i see that
[05:33:44] <Duggan> was that it? hehe
[05:34:34] <dru345> ok now says missing symbol: AllUnarchived_5BViewPC8BMessage
[05:34:45] <Duggan> what build are you using?
[05:34:49] <dru345> mmm
[05:35:08] <dru345> old. 37453 (Jul 10)
[05:35:20] <Duggan> gcc2hybrid?
[05:35:25] <dru345> yup
[05:35:35] <dru345> always :P
[05:35:41] <Duggan> hmm may be old, not sure...
[05:37:16] <dru345> yay kdl
[05:37:22] <Duggan> I'm pretty sure it was built with gcc2 and I don't think theres been any changes in those buildtools
[05:37:26] <Duggan> I didn't do it :/
[05:38:02] <Duggan> (although I do get a strange error myself <blah blah blah>/gcc4 troubles loading elf header)
[05:38:11] <dru345> i closed terminal and it panics with vm_page_fault, unhandled page fault in kernel space
[05:38:23] <Duggan> time for an upgrade? hehe
[05:38:29] <dru345> maybe
[05:40:03] <Duggan> hmm
[05:40:18] <Duggan> rather disheartening that my program isn't working on anybody's computer but mine :/
[05:41:17] <cpr420> it's the price you pay for using nightlies :P
[05:42:53] <Duggan> I may install R1A2 to build it once I'm ready to distribute it :P
[05:43:03] <Duggan> question is..... would it work on nightlies :/
[05:46:11] <dru345> no :P
[05:46:24] <Duggan> well whats the point then? :/
[05:46:33] <dru345> I'm just messing with you :)
[05:47:08] <Duggan> well knowing how to produce stable programs would be nice :'(
[05:47:15] <dru345> yes
[05:48:01] <dru345> i'd like to know how to produce patches in whatever voodoo form is acceptable to reviewers :P
[05:48:39] <Duggan> read #1: http://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/SubmittingPatches
[05:48:53] <dru345> been there :)
[05:48:54] <Duggan> read #2: http://www.haiku-os.org/development/coding-guidelines
[05:48:58] <dru345> and there :P
[05:49:22] <Duggan> then you're hosed :P
[05:49:36] <dru345> yeah. i'm starting to think so :)
[05:49:40] <Duggan> lol
[05:51:26] <Duggan> wow....
[05:51:31] <dru345> actually. it's interesting you should list submittingpatches because it conflicts with that is said on the haiku site :/
[05:51:33] <Duggan> only 84 users...
[05:51:54] <Duggan> about the has patch thing?
[05:52:30] <dru345> http://www.haiku-os.org/development/faq#patches
[05:54:13] <dru345> last patch I did i couldn't recall where the submittingpatches was and checked the dev/faq :/
[05:54:56] <Duggan> ah, I haven't seen that
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[05:57:22] <Duggan> if you get a chance, try r37607 in vm ;)
[05:57:27] <Duggan> I know my program works on that one lol
[05:57:30] <dru345> ok
[05:57:50] <Duggan> and I'm overly eager for feedback without having to publish the product lol
[05:58:30] <dru345> 37607 is old :/
[05:58:47] <dru345> 37730 is newest
[05:59:05] <Duggan> it works :P
[05:59:10] <Duggan> and I'm not about to update right now lol
[05:59:15] <Duggan> its "new enough"
[05:59:18] <dru345> well
[05:59:27] <dru345> 37607 isn't at haiku-files :P
[05:59:31] <Duggan> more importantly, its stable
[05:59:38] <dru345> 37609 is :P
[05:59:42] <Duggan> try that one
[05:59:44] <Duggan> :P
[05:59:50] <dru345> why not try the newest? :P
[05:59:57] <Duggan> you can
[06:00:06] <Duggan> but if it still doesn't work, theres not much else I can do to help you lol
[06:00:10] <dru345> hcc2h?
[06:00:14] <dru345> gcc*
[06:00:16] <Duggan> no, gcc2h :
[06:00:17] <Duggan> :P
[06:00:20] <Duggan> lol
[06:00:33] <Duggan> it would take too much for me to upgrade right nwo
[06:00:34] <Duggan> now
[06:00:47] <Duggan> so I'm going to wait a couple hundred more revisions probably
[06:01:03] <Duggan> (I upgraded to this one from r374xx)
[06:01:04] <Duggan> lol
[06:01:20] <dru345> "upgraded"?
[06:01:26] <dru345> as in... now what you're supposed to do?
[06:01:31] <dru345> not*
[06:01:39] <Duggan> lol
[06:02:00] <Duggan> well like I said, it takes alot for me to upgrade.... I'm using only Haiku these days so I tend to collect alot of clutter that has to be moved around with every upgrade
[06:09:53] <l_n> Duggan: i think i've mentioned before that system/ seems to be the only thing that really has to be removed.
[06:10:18] <l_n> (before upgrading)
[06:11:04] <l_n> i'm still using 37165
[06:11:09] <l_n> :-/
[06:11:40] <Duggan> I wish I knew what causes the corruption though :/
[06:11:55] <Duggan> if theres no guarantee that I can prevent it by doing so, I don't know if its worth the risk
[06:12:20] <Duggan> speaking of which, I haven't done a checkfs in a while...
[06:12:34] * Xeon3D downloading the Android VM's to fiddle with :D
[06:12:53] <Duggan> hey Xeon3D
[06:13:00] <Xeon3D> yo
[06:13:08] <Xeon3D> Duggan, l_n , dru345 /
[06:13:13] <Xeon3D> *o/
[06:13:14] <l_n> hello.
[06:13:19] <dru345> hi Xeon3D
[06:13:40] <l_n> Duggan: is there even a fsck/chkfs for bfs?
[06:13:48] <Duggan> yep, checkfs
[06:14:13] <l_n> considering i already have some background with a couple of programming languages, how many of darkwyrm's lessons could i skip?
[06:14:31] <Duggan> I don't know, I haven't looked through them very well :/
[06:14:35] <Xeon3D> l_n, they aren't that long...
[06:15:01] <Duggan> wow, no corruption
[06:15:34] <l_n> true.. i just hate re-reading "this is a variable... this is a function..." every time i start reading about a new language
[06:15:48] <l_n> Duggan: did you erase system/ and then update?
[06:16:15] <Duggan> l_n last time I updated I wiped the partition
[06:16:48] <Duggan> OS Uptime [Haiku]: 2 days 6 hrs 53 mins 31.70 secs
[06:17:24] <Duggan> last time I restarted I was installing a gcc4 non-hybrid on my other partition
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[06:22:52] <l_n> you're right.. not long at all.. lesson 1 took all of 10 mins to read
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[06:31:23] <Duggan> hey yourpalal
[06:31:29] <yourpalal> hi Duggan
[06:42:19] <Duggan> ugh
[06:42:45] <Duggan> ok, so say I've got a function that takes a void*... and I've got a linked list which I want to pass into that function...
[06:43:49] <Duggan> lets say the ll nodes are of type "x", so my head node looks like x *head, but to pass the ll into the function I'd pass &head to get a x** right?
[06:45:09] <Duggan> but once in the function I'd have to cast it back to x*, which I assume would look something like x *foo = (x*)*parameter; or maybe x *foo = *(x*)parameter; except thats not valid....
[06:45:29] <Duggan> any ideas? :/
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[06:51:09] <Duggan> the void* part isn't optional as its a callback function
[06:52:20] <cpr420> what are you storing in the list? would it be easier to use BObjectList?
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[06:53:46] <Duggan> eh don't know :/ but its just some data....
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[06:54:11] <Duggan> ints and char* and the like
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[06:55:14] <Duggan> I'm just trying to figure out how to turn a void* (which is really an x**) back into an x :/
[06:55:22] <Duggan> er x*
[06:55:45] <cpr420> static_cast?
[06:56:02] * cpr420 isn't completely inderstanding the problem
[06:56:05] <Duggan> tried (x*)*parameter
[06:56:40] <Duggan> ok, I have a struct called x
[06:56:51] <Duggan> it as a pointer to x inside it so its a ll node
[06:57:04] <Duggan> I have variable foo of type x* as the head of my ll
[06:57:19] <Duggan> I have a function that takes void* that I want to pass the ll to
[06:57:34] <Duggan> so i pass it as &foo
[06:58:00] <Duggan> inside the function it sees void* but the pointer is actually of type x**
[06:58:01] <Duggan> right?
[06:58:42] <Duggan> so I have to cast a void* to a x** and dereference it at the same time (I think thats the right word)
[06:59:07] <Duggan> to make it a x*
[07:00:01] <Duggan> which you think could be accomplished with x *bar = (x*)*parameter;
[07:00:10] <Duggan> parameter being the void* thats passed into the function
[07:01:38] <cpr420> is foo a pointer in the calling function?
[07:01:54] <Duggan> yes
[07:02:29] <Duggan> x *foo
[07:02:33] <cpr420> can't you just pass it as foo instead of &foo ?
[07:02:47] <Duggan> no, that would only pass the contents
[07:02:57] <Duggan> when what I need is the ability to alter the head node itself
[07:03:10] <Duggan> say foo = NULL
[07:03:22] <Duggan> if you pass foo and not &foo, you're just passing NULL
[07:03:32] <Duggan> if you change the value, you're not changing the pointer at the head node
[07:03:51] <cpr420> right
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[07:10:04] <Duggan> any ideas? lol
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[07:11:30] <Duggan> the error (effectively translated) is equivalent to "cannot convert *parameter from type 'void' to type 'x *'"
[07:20:56] <Duggan> hmm void*'s can't be dereferenced...
[07:22:32] * cpr420 thinks Duggan wants *(x*)parameter
[07:22:47] <Duggan> cpr420 tried that, same error as (x*)*parameter
[07:23:49] <cpr420> hmm, I would've thought that would work, but I'm bad at problems like this where I'm not looking at some code
[07:28:06] <Duggan> taking one of the spare * off compiles but I don't think thats technically accurate...
[07:28:13] <Duggan> er the one spare *
[07:28:32] <Duggan> of course I'm using the term "spare" rather loosely
[07:30:07] <Duggan> hmmmmmmmmmmm
[07:30:10] <Duggan> lol I wonder....
[07:30:38] <Duggan> so I can do (x*)parameter but not (x*)*parameter (or *(x*)parameter)....
[07:30:50] <Duggan> I wonder if (x*)parameter[0] would work..... lol
[07:31:36] <Duggan> no :/
[07:31:41] <Duggan> same damned error...
[07:31:49] <cpr420> or with extra parens *((x*)parameter) ?
[07:32:23] <Duggan> tried it, same thing :/
[07:32:51] <Duggan> even tried &bar = (x*)parameter; of course thats not going to work, but it was worth a shot :/
[07:35:17] <Duggan> hmmmmm new error...
[07:36:00] <Duggan> I think I figured it out :/
[07:36:21] <Duggan> x *bar = *((x**)parameter);
[07:37:07] <Duggan> of course I'm getting a headache so it  probably isn't right at all :/
[07:38:06] <yourpalal> Duggan: *((x**)parameter) should be right
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[07:38:38] <Duggan> thanks... I'll have to work with it to determine such... but first, nicotine...
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[08:17:20] <Duggan> so is it safe to assume that you're not supposed to delete char*?
[08:17:42] <dru345> lol
[08:17:52] <Duggan> :P
[08:18:00] <Duggan> ever get it to work, dru345?
[08:19:50] <dru345> other stuff came up. i'm gonna install a new nightly here in a minute
[08:20:03] <bebop-haiku> duggan: you can and should delete char* when your done with it, but certianly not before :)
[08:21:08] <Duggan> and also not when doing so crashes your program citing some sort of autodelete crap
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[08:21:37] <bebop-haiku> ha, probably not. What are you working on?
[08:21:54] <bebop-haiku> I think you might also need to use the delete []
[08:21:58] <bebop-haiku> opeartor
[08:23:28] <Duggan> nope doing that crashes with some different autodelete crap
[08:24:27] <bebop-haiku> hum are you using some framework that takes care of strings for you?
[08:24:34] <yourpalal> you should only delete it if you allocated it with 'new' you should just use BString or std::string if you're playing with strings, they will handle all the memory stuff for you
[08:26:02] <dru345> installing nightly
[08:26:11] <Duggan> yourpalal yeah I generated it with a BString but considering the BString that created it went out of scope by this point, I figured I should be able to delete it.... shows what I know :/
[08:27:39] <dru345> um if it's out of scope it won't be deletable :P
[08:28:19] <Duggan> dru345 the BString that created it, not the char* itself :P
[08:28:26] <dru345> oh. ok
[08:29:01] <Duggan> BString localvar = "abc"; membervar = localvar.String(); // where membervar is a char*
[08:29:33] <Duggan> lol what if its indeterminate how it was created? :P
[08:29:37] <Duggan> boy that'd be fun to debug...
[08:30:00] <dru345> gdb needs a front end :P
[08:30:07] <Duggan> dru345 better exists ;)
[08:30:17] <dru345> on haiku? :P
[08:30:18] <Duggan> its not DONE yet, but its better... and has a front end...
[08:30:19] <Duggan> yep
[08:30:21] <Duggan> its called Debug
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[08:30:23] <Duggan> er
[08:30:25] <Duggan> Debugger
[08:30:51] <dru345> is it 'released'?
[08:30:54] <Duggan> hell no
[08:30:59] <dru345> feh
[08:30:59] <Duggan> but it looks badass B)
[08:31:08] <dru345> ewwwwww
[08:31:22] <Duggan> its a figure of speach :/
[08:31:39] <Duggan> er
[08:31:41] <Duggan> speech
[08:31:43] <dru345> sorry. i was seeing the "updating mimetypes" dialog for the first time
[08:31:51] <dru345> that is hideous
[08:31:53] <Duggan> lol
[08:32:04] <dru345> it looks like some linux thing :/
[08:32:07] <Duggan> do I want to see?...
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[08:38:17] <dru345> i'm reinstalling the nightly so u can see it
[08:38:31] <Duggan> lol alright
[08:38:37] <Duggan> brb
[08:38:40] <dru345> ok
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[08:51:22] <Duggan> back
[08:51:26] <dru345> wb
[08:51:29] <Duggan> danke
[08:51:40] <Duggan> I agree... thats pretty damn ugly...
[08:52:18] <Duggan> get my program to work yet? lol
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[08:52:52] <dru345> i got the nightly running with networking. i'll mound the volume with ur program next
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[08:53:05] <Duggan> cool cool
[08:53:07] <kurain> hello all
[08:53:11] <Duggan> hi kurain
[08:53:20] <dru345> the user has no need to see mime types are being updated :P
[08:53:29] <kurain> hey duggan
[08:55:08] <dru345> hi kurain
[08:55:12] <Duggan> dru345 I don't think I've ever seen mimetypes being updated... how did you manage to have that display?
[08:55:33] <dru345> it's a "new feature" in later nightlies :P
[08:55:39] <Duggan> ah
[08:56:01] <Duggan> whatever happened to barberpoles? :/
[08:56:05] <dru345> shows on startup if they need updating (useless... let's just have a big verbose boot and tell the user ever thing)
[08:56:25] * dru345 shrugs. it's a notification and well... those are not exactly finished
[08:56:54] <Duggan> dru345 lets not :P
[08:57:01] <Duggan> oh ok, gotcha
[08:57:13] <Duggan> yeah I was wondering why notifications never notified me of anything...
[08:59:05] <dru345> the preflet is like no other like it was ported from OSX but not. it's ... disturbing >.>
[09:01:15] <Duggan> hehe
[09:01:24] <Duggan> whats the - and the + and the + for?...
[09:01:36] <Duggan> well... x and x
[09:01:42] <dru345> no idea :/
[09:01:55] <Duggan> hopefully they're just placeholders :P
[09:02:04] <Duggan> sweet
[09:02:09] <Duggan> pm...
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[09:38:07] <kurain> somebody knows which is the key "OPT" on the keyboard?
[09:42:26] <kurain> while, on my notebook, I didn't find that ker
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[09:44:04] <kurain> for I am translate some documents about keyboard shortcuts, so I want to know about that
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[09:44:24] <kurain> somebody can help?
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[09:49:38] <Xeon3D> kurain u on haiku?
[09:50:49] <VinDuv> kurain: It’s the “Windows” keys (except on keyboards which have an actual Option key)
[09:51:32] <Duggan> kurain if you look at they keymap preflet, it shows you which keys are which and also what effect they have when you press them
[09:52:31] <kurain> ok,
[09:52:38] <kurain> I will try ,thank you
[09:53:04] <Xeon3D> but I' guess that for translation, you should not translate opt key as ctrl or alt
[09:53:11] <Xeon3D> because they can be changed
[10:00:16] <kurain> I have a try in haiku, the "opt" key has some effects on the other keys ,the "`" below "ESC" and the " " " key next to "ENTER"
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[10:02:28] <kurain> also the other " OPT" in the left is just located on the certain key regardless of what ever it is named
[10:04:07] <kurain> for this reason it will bring some bad effects on the experience of  new users
[10:04:53] <kurain> it will confuse some users sometimes
[10:16:31] <dru345> hi
[10:22:02] <dru345> hi Xeon3D
[10:22:22] <dru345> the opt/alt/cmd thing confuses me too
[10:24:55] <Xeon3D> yes
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[10:25:08] <Xeon3D> ctrl+alt+win were going to be sooo much easier
[10:25:17] <dru345> yes
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[10:29:24] <dru345> why does trac have to use wiki formatting not html or bbcode >.>
[10:31:08] <Xeon3D> because we can't have nice things :D
[10:31:18] <dru345> xD
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[10:46:42] <CIA-54> stippi * r37731 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/icon-o-matic/gui/PathListView.cpp:
[10:46:42] <CIA-54> The "Rotate indices" and "Clean up" menu items need to be enabled depending
[10:46:42] <CIA-54> on the current selection.
[10:48:10] <CIA-54> stippi * r37732 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/icon-o-matic/transformable/ (ChannelTransform.cpp ChannelTransform.h):
[10:48:11] <CIA-54> Fix compiler warning about hiding Transformable::ScaleBy() by enabled the
[10:48:11] <CIA-54> ChannelTransform version of ScaleBy() which was commented out in the code.
[10:48:11] <CIA-54> I have no idea if this code was tested or not, I've added a comment to the
[10:48:11] <CIA-54> effect. It certainly isn't used in Icon-O-Matic at the moment.
[10:48:49] <CIA-54> stippi * r37733 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/icon-o-matic/generic/gui/stateview/ (StateView.cpp StateView.h): Fixed warning about hiding BView::Perform().
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[11:35:19] <Lelldorin1> hi all
[11:35:41] <kurain> hi Lelldorin1
[11:37:58] <lorglas> hi
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[11:46:14] <kurain> well , marcos?
[11:46:16] <kurain> there?
[11:49:04] <The123king> hola
[11:50:37] <CIA-54> zooey * r37734 /haiku/trunk/src/tools/locale/collectcatkeys.cpp:
[11:50:38] <CIA-54> * revert what should not have been part of r37723
[11:50:38] <CIA-54> Thanks to Rene for pointing it out
[11:51:11] <Xeon3D> hi The123king, lorglas , Lelldorin1
[11:54:53] <The123king> yay! I'm off tommorow for 3 days :)
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[12:03:06] <MorbidAngel> :)
[12:03:28] <MorbidAngel> hi all
[12:03:37] <MorbidAngel> :(
[12:03:41] <MorbidAngel> ;)
[12:04:03] <Lelldorin1> hi
[12:04:19] <MorbidAngel> wie geht's?
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[12:18:17] <dru345> bye o/
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[13:28:44] <CIA-54> zooey * r37735 /haiku/trunk/src/system/libroot/posix/locale/setlocale.cpp:
[13:28:44] <CIA-54> * replace use of strcmp with strcasecmp, as locale names are supposed to be
[13:28:44] <CIA-54> case insensitive
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[13:35:09] <Xeon3D> l_n,  you there?
[13:42:30] <HeTo> locale names are supposed to be case insensitive? where does that requirement come from?
[13:43:04] <HeTo> and in what locale is the case sensitiveness of a locale name to be interpreted?
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[14:16:58] <PulkoMandy> HeTo: icu uses fr_fr, posix uses fr_FR
[14:16:58] <l_n> Xeon3D: i am now.
[14:17:07] <PulkoMandy> so I guess there is a risk of mixups
[14:23:44] <Anarchos> Is there an expert of Debugger source code here ?
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[14:41:34] <Xeon3D> oh it was about tmw but I sorted it out :P
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[14:43:52] <Anarchos> how to reindex a folder ? i have some files which don't appear in a query
[14:47:56] <l_n> hrm.. i found what
[14:48:49] <l_n> someone was talking about with tracker and sorting
[14:49:33] <l_n> wasn't it cpr420 that was digging in the tracker code? or was it dru?
[14:50:20] <HeTo> PulkoMandy: I see, well at least there's a proper reason for that, then
[14:51:20] <Anarchos> l_n i know that the indices on this volume are not clean
[14:53:42] <l_n> ?
[14:54:12] <Anarchos> maybe i should reindex this folder by name
[14:55:56] <gordonjcp> in Linux I have a bit of software which implements a packet radio modem
[14:56:07] <gordonjcp> http://www.baycom.org/~tom/ham/soundmodem/
[14:56:19] <l_n> i noticed that if i sort by [name|title], 10-19 ends up coming before 2
[14:56:28] <gordonjcp> it has audio in and out using OSS or ALSA at one end, and it gives you a network interface on the other end
[14:56:34] <l_n> 20-29 comes before 3, etc
[14:56:45] <gordonjcp> are either of these things likely to be particularly hard to implement in Haiku?
[14:57:32] <l_n> gordonjcp: MediaKit and NetworkKit will be your friends
[14:58:03] <gordonjcp> okay
[14:58:41] <l_n> file:///boot/system/documentation/bebook/TheMediaKit_Overview.html (if you have the bebook in the default location)
[14:59:19] <l_n> i'm not sure if the be book is still accurate in documenting the media and network kits
[15:00:02] <gordonjcp> I'll look at that this evening, when I finish hacksawing off the broken bits in the Linux version
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[15:08:43] <kurain> hello gluon marcos
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[15:13:58] <Xeon3D> hi
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[15:25:25] <PulkoMandy> l_n: yes, antural sorting is not in tracker yet
[15:25:48] <PulkoMandy> it _should_ work in terminal if you "export LC_ALL=fr_FR" (or your preferred language)
[15:30:09] <Anarchos> l_n well the lexicographic order is not the number order... believe it or not, but in the website i work (get paid for)  for a bank, someone  did this error to compare bank account to  transfer limit :)
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[15:42:59] <l_n> heh.. an eee 1000 can fall off of a recliner with no ill effect....
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[16:02:48] <HeTo> are the results of strcasecmp supposed to depend on the locale?
[16:03:30] <HeTo> currently they don't seem to, but if they are, you probably want to use something different, or set the locale to C at first, in setlocale
[16:03:56] <HeTo> of course, if you set the locale first to C, you have to remember to set it back before returning if you fail
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[16:25:49] <Anarchos> gdb is able to show me the source of a function where as Debugger can not :(
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[18:13:07] <leszek> hi
[18:13:42] <leszek> vlc was deleted from optional packages or why does jam fail with this message ? ERROR: Requested optional package "vlc" does not exist.
[18:14:47] <mmadia42> the build system is case sensitive.
[18:14:50] <leszek> or did they change the spelling ? (upper lower case) ?
[18:14:59] <mmadia42> installoptionalpackages is not case sensitive.
[18:15:04] <leszek> ah ok
[18:15:09] <leszek> my mistake then
[18:15:14] <mmadia42> np :)
[18:15:17] <leszek> VLC should work then
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[19:02:17] <l_n> 'ello, Disreali
[19:02:41] <Disreali> hello
[19:03:02] <Disreali> what's new?
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[19:05:51] <l_n> not much. reading darkwyrm's lessons before i begin working on transmission (or anything else, for that matter..)
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[19:06:33] <l_n> i think it's time i actually get more familiar with the stuff i've been fiddling with and prepare to dive headlong into *real* haiku development instead of just recompiling/tweaking things.
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[19:07:18] <l_n> and i'll be able to cross one more goal off my list: learn (more) c++
[19:07:25] <CIA-54> zooey * r37736 /haiku/trunk/src/system/libroot/add-ons/icu/locale/ICULocaleBackend.cpp:
[19:07:25] <CIA-54> Avoid rm switching to interactive mode for any locale other than POSIX:
[19:07:25] <CIA-54> * reset errno to 0 if it has been set during execution of any ICU method
[19:07:25] <CIA-54> (which doesn't set errno itself, but may invoke system functions that do)
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[19:11:05] <dru345> hi l_n
[19:11:09] <l_n> hello, dru345
[19:11:13] <l_n> && phoudoin
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[19:15:59] <Ignatius> Greetings!
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[19:16:32] <Ignatius> So I have a native install of Haiku I just finished... When I reboot... gives me an error about installation cannot continue... One Drive dedicated to Haiku... Suggestions?
[19:16:43] <Ignatius> I'm running from the LiveCD right now.
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[19:17:09] <CIA-54> zooey * r37737 /haiku/trunk/src/ (4 files in 3 dirs):
[19:17:09] <CIA-54> * don't use B_USE_POSITIVE_POSIX_ERRORS in libroot, let any interested party
[19:17:09] <CIA-54> use that and the posix_error_mapper
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[19:21:59] <l_n> wow.. he was patient.
[19:24:25] <gordonjcp> I should really try and figure out why 1680x1050 doesn't work
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[19:26:25] <gordonjcp> my big problem is that I get a black screen on boot after the boot icons unless I set a VESA mode
[19:26:56] <gordonjcp> i915 chipset, 1680x1050 analogue monitor
[19:27:31] <l_n> i can't believe i've forgotten dot notation for acessing char ** elements passed to a function :-/
[19:27:33] <gordonjcp> before I start logging boot messages to the serial port etc etc etc, does anything leap to mind for any of you more experienced Haikuers?
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[19:35:17] <Disreali> gordonjcp; most likely is that there is not a working video driver for the i915
[19:36:49] <gordonjcp> hm
[19:37:31] <gordonjcp> okay, what should I be looking out for if I want Haiku to support a graphics card?
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[19:39:21] <oco2> maybe, you should look at http://dev.haiku-os.org/query to see if the problem was already signaled by someone else.
[19:39:24] <humdinger> gordonjcp: you should first find out what card you have exactly.
[19:39:43] <humdinger> do a listdev and have a look at the id and vendor
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[19:40:16] <gordonjcp> humdinger: I'm in Linux at the moment, lspci reports " Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)
[19:40:45] <gordonjcp> if you give me a couple of minutes for this thing to stop building I can reboot into haiku
[19:40:53] <humdinger> I'm not sure how to get to the id in linux...
[19:41:11] <mmadia42> it's simple.
[19:41:26] <mmadia42> dd if="haiku-nightly" of='usb-stick'
[19:41:31] <humdinger> i'm sure. it's linux after all.
[19:41:46] <humdinger> ?
[19:41:54] <gordonjcp> okay, two secs, rebooting
[19:42:02] <mmadia42> ... a lame joke, suggesting to install Haiku :)
[19:42:03] <humdinger> cu
[19:42:14] <humdinger> ah :)
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[19:43:12] <humdinger> mmadia42: you're also playing with the website sometimes?
[19:43:44] <mmadia42> minor stuff from time to time.
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[19:44:08] <humdinger> you think you could add more events to the front page?
[19:44:09] <mmadia42> i tried looking into the menu stuff that RQ mentioned the other day,  no clue though.
[19:44:31] <humdinger> There are only the next two, but there'd be more space available
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[19:47:17] <gordonjcp> right
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[19:47:20] <mmadia42> i'll try
[19:47:30] <humdinger> thanks!
[19:48:22] <gordonjcp> humdinger: vendor and device ID are 8086 and 2772
[19:49:19] <humdinger> Looking into the driver.cpp of intel extreme, I see this ID, so the card should be supported.
[19:49:30] <gordonjcp> okay, so what's the next thing I should check?
[19:49:38] <humdinger> Maybe your monitor sends the wrong EFID signal.
[19:49:44] <humdinger> How do you connect?
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[19:49:48] <gordonjcp> humdinger: VGA
[19:50:28] <humdinger> too bad, there are a few instances where DVI doesn't work...
[19:50:51] <gordonjcp> okay, but at this point it *should* work?
[19:51:06] <humdinger> I think so...
[19:51:18] <humdinger> Can you get a syslog?
[19:51:51] <gordonjcp> from the currently running system?
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[19:52:10] <humdinger> no, when it boots to a black screen.
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[19:52:59] <gordonjcp> humdinger: not immediately, can you give me about ten minutes to get serial cables and stuff?
[19:53:02] <humdinger> Actually... I'm never sure when the syslog is overwritten... Does anybody know?
[19:53:15] <humdinger> You could try the boot options menu.
[19:53:20] <gordonjcp> I'm guessing I can tell it to spit it out a serial port
[19:53:34] <gordonjcp> won't the log be overwritten when I tell it to boot the next time?
[19:53:55] <humdinger> If you do a warm reboot you should be able to write the syslog to a fat32 usb stick.
[19:54:33] <humdinger> when you enter the boot options menu.
[19:54:49] <gordonjcp> okay, how do I get it to do a warm reboot?
[19:55:19] <humdinger> with your reset button, if you have one...
[19:55:20] <humdinger> http://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/ReportingBugs#Syslog
[19:55:33] <humdinger> there's an explanation.
[19:58:41] <gordonjcp> no reset button, ctrl-alt-delete doesn't work when I get the black screeen
[19:58:56] <gordonjcp> http://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/ReportingBugs#Syslog
[19:59:00] <gordonjcp> oops
[19:59:06] <prizm> gordon: hold power for 5 seconds
[19:59:14] <gordonjcp> that's what I've been doing
[19:59:18] <prizm> that's the hardware reset functions on most newer PCs
[19:59:30] <gordonjcp> no, that just powers it off
[19:59:44] <gordonjcp>  http://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/ReportingBugs#Syslog
[19:59:48] <gordonjcp> ffs
[19:59:59] <gordonjcp> here's a bug, copy and paste is broken
[20:00:38] <humdinger> My notebook also doesn't have a reset button (obviously) If I'm very very quick, I can do a very quick off/on and the memory is still there with a few messed up characters. :)
[20:00:50] <gordonjcp> when it gets to the black screen the machine has to be completely powered off before it will reboot
[20:01:12] <prizm> ummmmmm, power the power?
[20:01:22] <prizm> unplug it, remove battery
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[20:01:30] <humdinger> ?
[20:01:43] <humdinger> We need a warm reboot, not a stone cold reboot.
[20:01:59] <gordonjcp> well, does it output the same stuff to the serial port?
[20:02:14] <humdinger> if you set it in the boot options. yes.
[20:02:43] <gordonjcp> okay, let me get that sorted out
[20:02:44] <CIA-54> mmadia * r37738 /haiku/trunk/data/artwork/ (7 files in 2 dirs):
[20:02:44] <CIA-54> Added "development" logos, similar to the one used in Installer. The intention
[20:02:44] <CIA-54> is for non-releases such as the nightly images to use them.
[20:02:44] <CIA-54> Font information:
[20:02:44] <CIA-54> * http://www.fontriver.com/font/sistemas_font_bt/
[20:02:45] <CIA-54> * 6fd8b8232108bfbcebb0a864419b076f SISTEMAS FONT BT.ttf
[20:06:50] <humdinger> gordonjcp: maybe this is your problem as well: http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/3149
[20:07:11] <mmadia42> which version of VirtualBox runs Haiku well these days?
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[20:07:50] <humdinger> Haven't run in VB for a long time...
[20:07:58] <dru345> people have said latest
[20:08:17] <dru345> 3.2.6
[20:09:23] <dru345> only things needed are: pick Other and set your Network card to Intel Pro 1000 MT Desktop
[20:09:28] <mmadia42> nielx ---^
[20:10:21] <nielx> ok
[20:10:23] <nielx> trying
[20:11:14] <gordonjcp> humdinger: hmm
[20:11:21] <gordonjcp> right, brb, attempting to get a syslog
[20:11:33] <humdinger> ok good luck
[20:12:26] <l_n> heh.. i forgot to free() a malloc'ed string when i was done with it :P
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[20:14:48] * mmu_screen already created a ticket to add Haiku in the list of OS in VB and set the NIC correctly
[20:14:59] <mmu_screen> http://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/7214
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[20:15:25] <mmu_screen> if anyone wants to create better icons for it...
[20:15:32] <mmu_screen> I have an empty template available
[20:15:36] <humdinger> all these intel i9xx graphics are on-board solutions?
[20:16:17] <gordonjcp> think so
[20:16:46] <humdinger> too bad. or we could buy a card and send it to axel. without hardware these things are hard to fix.
[20:17:07] <PulkoMandy> I'll have my pc at begeistert :)
[20:17:16] <PulkoMandy> (well, if I come... I hope so)
[20:17:17] <humdinger> gordonjcp: have you tried another monitor?
[20:17:32] <humdinger> PulkoMandy: So you have the same issues? only VESA for you?
[20:17:49] <PulkoMandy> no, I have wrong resolution
[20:18:02] <humdinger> my netbook has an intel extreme, but that works (somewhat).
[20:18:02] <PulkoMandy> 1280x1024 instead of 1400x1050
[20:18:23] <PulkoMandy> but each fixed bug may help other people
[20:18:29] <humdinger> Question is if axel is quick enough to fix that kind of thing.
[20:18:45] <PulkoMandy> (I say may... because with my previous laptop, when axel fixed the bug it broke things for other people...)
[20:18:52] <l_n> humdinger: didn't you say you had an intel card newer than the gma945?
[20:18:57] <gordonjcp> humdinger: I haven't got any other monitors
[20:19:07] <PulkoMandy> well, I had a 30Hz screen last year on the other laptop and he solved it pretty fast
[20:19:18] <PulkoMandy> and on this computer there is even netboot so it should be faster :)
[20:19:20] <humdinger> l_n: no :)
[20:19:31] <gordonjcp> humdinger: it's an HP SFF desktop, if axel wants one to hack on I can certainly get one
[20:19:38] <gordonjcp> shipping might be expensive from the UK
[20:19:40] <humdinger> The intel extreme of the netbook is, I think i945...
[20:20:35] <humdinger> gordonjcp: Seems to be a bit over the top... Come to BeGeistert instead and bring it with you. :P
[20:23:49] <gordonjcp> heh
[20:24:09] <humdinger> gordonjcp: I have to go now. If you do get a syslog, compare it with http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/3149 to see if it's the same. If it is, I'm afraid there's nothing but hope and wait.
[20:24:23] <humdinger> Or get a cheap ass nvidia card...
[20:24:53] <gordonjcp> doesn't work with NVidia
[20:25:00] <gordonjcp> I had the exact same problem
[20:25:28] <humdinger> strange. Many nvidia's work very nicely...
[20:25:41] <humdinger> I'm sitting at one right now 7600go
[20:25:47] <gordonjcp> yeah, I was using a 7300
[20:25:49] <humdinger> (notebook though)
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[20:26:02] <humdinger> should work as well, no?
[20:26:03] <gordonjcp> right, if you can hang on for two minutes I'm about ready
[20:26:10] <gordonjcp> nope, black screen after the icons
[20:26:27] <humdinger> what did you try?
[20:28:25] <gordonjcp> no, I meant with the nvidia card
[20:29:25] <gordonjcp> okay
[20:29:50] <humdinger> also black screen?
[20:30:11] <gordonjcp> yeah
[20:30:20] <gordonjcp> I've never had haiku working at any native resolution
[20:30:36] <humdinger> maybe it's the monitor after all
[20:30:55] <humdinger> with nvidia, at least you have a settings file to play around with.
[20:32:07] <gordonjcp> www.gjcp.net/~gordonjcp/syslog
[20:32:16] <gordonjcp> why the hell it thinks it's a binary file, I don't know
[20:32:47] <gordonjcp> try syslog.txt instead
[20:32:59] <humdinger> works in web+
[20:35:24] <gordonjcp> okay
[20:35:38] <gordonjcp> so it looks like it is producing a similar log to the one in that bug
[20:35:44] <gordonjcp> but no real explanation of what's going on
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[20:37:11] <humdinger> I don't have the time right now to compare syslogs, and even then, I can't really help with that...
[20:37:25] <gordonjcp> okay, since my log says "intel_set_display_mode()" and doesn't actually say the resolution, it may be that alpha 2 is too old to ever work
[20:37:30] <humdinger> I find it strange, that the nvidia7300 should fail the same way.
[20:38:18] <humdinger> try a nightly then. I can recommend the anyboot nightly r37184.
[20:38:26] <humdinger> That works pretty well for me.
[20:39:13] <humdinger> "intel_set_display_mode()" may just be a generic output.
[20:41:14] <humdinger> really have to go now...
[20:41:21] <gordonjcp> yeah, one of the patches built suggests it was changed
[20:41:22] <CIA-54> mmadia * r37739 /haiku/trunk/headers/private/kernel/boot/images-sans-tm.h:
[20:41:22] <CIA-54> Added a boot splash header file that contains only the boot icons. Later,
[20:41:22] <CIA-54> video_splash.cpp and boot_splash.cpp will be updated to utilize it.
[20:41:22] <CIA-54> Relates to #6183. See #6255 for issues on using 'splash_logo-development.png'
[20:41:22] <CIA-54> with generate_boot_screen.
[20:41:27] <gordonjcp> humdinger: okay, thanks for your help
[20:41:34] <humdinger> cu gordonjcp and good luck
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[20:46:35] <l_n> mmadia42: is that for the removal of "Haiku" from the boot sequence?
[20:47:13] <mmadia42> yes. i'm working on being able to remove the TM logos ...
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[20:47:33] <wesbluemarine> who has an nvidia ion?
[20:47:38] <mmadia42> all of the references to the text "Haiku" is a whole other can of worms that need to be dealt with.
[20:47:48] <wesbluemarine> hi dru345
[20:48:22] <dru345> hi wesbluemarine
[20:49:11] <wesbluemarine> who has haiku with 1920x1080 resolution?
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[20:50:15] <mmadia42> wesbluemarine : the nvidia ion may not be supported by the nvidia driver ... at that point, your graphic's vesa implementation may not mention 1920 x 1080 as a valid resolution.
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[20:53:58] <jmayfield_> apple has really pissed me off.. these new unibody macbooks are f-ing evil
[20:54:08] <jmayfield_> i cant use my 30 inch monitor with it
[20:54:27] <jmayfield_> my older macbook pro worked just fine, out of the box
[20:54:54] <jmayfield_> but now apple want another $100 for a dual channel dvi adaptor
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[20:55:03] <jmayfield_> ..one that wont work with my non-apple monitor
[20:56:06] <jmayfield_> i should have asked for a stinksbad..
[20:58:27] <wesbluemarine> mmadia42 :D
[20:58:38] <wesbluemarine> do you remember that i have an ion?
[20:59:01] <mmadia42> just a good guess.
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[21:11:39] <RISC_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7H7p80kZN8 Haiku-user
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[21:20:09] <l_n> is anyone actually looking at that?
[21:20:20] <nielx> is it worth it?
[21:20:54] <l_n> i dunno.
[21:20:57] <cpr420> it's a bit, umm, odd
[21:21:00] <nielx> dear god, if youtube is the future of tv
[21:21:03] <nielx> humanity is doomed
[21:21:05] <dru345> quite odd
[21:21:16] <l_n> dru345: wtf is it?
[21:21:27] <cpr420> that guy is having way too much fun being a dj
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[21:28:48] <gordonjcp> awesome
[21:29:06] <gordonjcp> latest nightly works perfectly
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[21:40:29] <gordonjcp> hmm, webpositive doesn't work now
[21:43:03] <gordonjcp> "missing libraries: libicu-common.so.4.2, libicu-data.so.4.2"
[21:43:09] <Duggan> hey dru345, l_n, cpr420, nielx, *
[21:43:29] <Duggan> gordonjcp I want to say they've been working on icu
[21:43:44] <gordonjcp> what is it, anyway?
[21:43:53] <Duggan> beats me :/
[21:44:03] <cpr420> unicode libraries
[21:44:14] <mmadia42> is that the haiku-files nightly or a  self built image, gordonjcp?
[21:44:22] <Duggan> hey mmadia42
[21:44:40] <mmadia42> hi everybody.
[21:44:58] <nielx> hola
[21:45:46] <gordonjcp> mmadia42: haiku-files nightly
[21:45:57] <gordonjcp> mmadia42: oddly enough the installer didn't have webpositive available
[21:46:10] <gordonjcp> maybe it's just something left over from installing the alpha2 image
[21:46:16] <Duggan> nightlies don't include web+ by default
[21:46:19] <gordonjcp> I should have zeroed out the partition before starting
[21:46:23] <l_n> hello, *
[21:46:38] <Duggan> gordonjcp they say you'e supposed to do that all the time :/
[21:46:41] <gordonjcp> Duggan: ah righty
[21:46:43] <Duggan> hey l_n
[21:46:51] <Duggan> I don't LIKE doing it all the time.....
[21:46:52] <l_n> hrm. * was supposed to be 'duggan' :P
[21:46:57] <Duggan> but they say you're supposed to..
[21:47:03] <gordonjcp> oh well, try again ;-)
[21:47:08] <Duggan> lol
[21:47:13] <gordonjcp> once I've done that, how do I install webpositive?
[21:47:16] <Duggan> gordonjcp ALOT has changed since R1A2
[21:47:25] <l_n> gordonjcp: installoptionalpackage -a webpositive
[21:47:26] <Duggan> theres a script called installoptionalpackage
[21:47:32] <gordonjcp> okay
[21:47:34] <l_n> Duggan: ha. i beat you. :P
[21:47:36] <Duggan> to see a list of packages type installoptionalpackage -l
[21:47:36] <gordonjcp> Duggan: what's ALOT?
[21:47:49] <Duggan> to install a package: installoptionalpackage <name>
[21:48:02] <Duggan> well lemme see.... they upgraded the gcc4 version
[21:48:03] <l_n> Duggan: it's installoptionalpackage -a <name>
[21:48:12] <Duggan> l_n I never used -a and it worked fine for me :P
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[21:48:20] <l_n> Duggan: liar.
[21:48:23] <l_n> ;)
[21:48:23] <havokmalo> Hi all
[21:48:26] <Duggan> theres been alot of work especially recently on the network stack
[21:48:32] <Duggan> hey havokmalo
[21:48:34] <Duggan> l_n :P
[21:48:55] * l_n goes back to the lessons which darkwyrm has written.
[21:48:56] <havokmalo> Hey Duggan
[21:48:56] <Duggan> gordonjcp theres been alot of work on localization and alot of work on the layout system too
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[21:49:20] <Duggan> you don't see the changes, but they're there
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[21:49:54] <l_n> alt-w != alt-p in Vision
[21:50:07] <l_n> ...
[21:50:07] <Duggan> lol
[21:50:19] <mmadia42> there's an option in Vision to require a double alt+w, l_n.
[21:50:21] <dru345> hi Duggan
[21:50:33] <l_n> mmadia42: i may have to turn that on...
[21:50:33] <Duggan> I have no clue what alt+w or alt+p do
[21:50:35] <Duggan> hey dru345
[21:50:46] <l_n> alt-p - part and close channel/query/msg
[21:50:53] <l_n> alt-w - close window (quit)
[21:51:02] <Duggan> ah ok
[21:51:56] <l_n> eventually i'll look at Terminal and figure out why alt-w doesn't behave as expected by closing the current tab instead of the whole thing.
[21:52:07] <Duggan> dru345 how goes tracker? or did you decide to work on the BColumnListView today? lol
[21:52:14] <gordonjcp> Duggan: ah, "a lot", not "ALOT" being some acronym?
[21:52:34] <Duggan> yes "a lot" if you want to spell it that way lol
[21:52:42] <l_n> gordonjcp: now you're just being pedantic.
[21:52:47] <cpr420> l_n: but what happens if you have multiple terminal windows open?  That's why the shortcut is ctrl-alt-w
[21:52:47] * gordonjcp isn't always entirely great at English
[21:52:50] <dru345> actually Duggan... i confess i looked at columnlistview a bit more
[21:53:00] <l_n> cpr420: ctl-alt-w for...?
[21:53:06] <Duggan> dru345 oh? find anything out?
[21:53:18] <dru345> nothing we didn't know
[21:53:27] <mmadia42> l_n : most of the tab functionality in Terminal was added on after-the-fact --- other features have bugs relating to it, like fullscreen mode
[21:53:38] <cpr420> l_n: actually alt-shift-w
[21:53:40] <Duggan> when I see "a lot" I think of the field next to my house or some place where kids play baseball or something... "alot" is many of something to me lol
[21:53:43] <havokmalo> Hey all, if would trying to understand the source by looking at each revision be totally insane?
[21:54:04] <Duggan> dru345 did you get a better understanding of what I was saying last night? (this morning)
[21:54:07] <dru345> Duggan what would be helpful is if you created a 'dummy' test app using columnlistview :)
[21:54:11] <dru345> yes i did Duggan
[21:54:15] <Duggan> havokmalo probably, yes
[21:54:24] <Duggan> if it isn't insane it would certainly make you insane
[21:54:31] <gordonjcp> l_n: remember I was asking about networky stuff earlier?  Got a minute for a couple of questions?
[21:54:38] <mmadia42> havokmalo : yes, for any project  -- code evolves and changes overtime.
[21:54:45] <Duggan> dru345 at some point, sure... i have to put it in my current project eventually anyway :'(
[21:55:02] <dru345> some point should be now :P
[21:55:08] <l_n> gordonjcp: i may not be the best person to ask.. just put the questions out there and someone with the appropriate knowledge will probably answer.
[21:55:12] <gordonjcp> okay
[21:55:15] <Duggan> lol if you're that desperate for it, why don't you do it? :P
[21:55:39] <gordonjcp> I'm looking at the Network Kit docs, and I'm not sure what is meant by an "endpoint"
[21:55:41] <dru345> you've already conquered the basics making haiku apps with controls and so forth :)
[21:55:53] <gordonjcp> is that something that would let me create a network device?
[21:56:14] <havokmalo> Thanks for the replies all (I'd reply individually but I'm on a phone so it is a pita )
[21:56:29] <Duggan> gordonjcp an endpoint is a physical end of a connection.... a "point" at the "end" of a cable.... a network card and the associated data associated with that connection
[21:56:33] <Duggan> to put it in laymans terms anyway
[21:56:39] <gordonjcp> Duggan: okay
[21:56:58] <Duggan> gordonjcp its kind of like an endpoint is a representation of the device to the kit
[21:57:12] <gordonjcp> Duggan: so yeah, that *does* sound like what I'm looking for; as in, if I implement that I will have a new network interface rather like if I'd stuck in another network card
[21:57:32] <Duggan> gordonjcp sounds like it
[21:57:44] <Duggan> dru345 I'll take a look when I get a chance :P
[21:58:00] <Duggan> I may try to throw it in my project early just to appease you :P
[21:58:36] <Duggan> I think if you add a chunk of code to make row delete its children before itself, that might do some good though
[21:58:51] <Duggan> you can change it and just recompile drivesetup and devices
[22:03:21] <havokmalo> ...damn this channel is useful.
[22:03:23] <l_n> gordonjcp: did you d/l a copy of 'Programming the BeOS' from http://www.haiku-os.org/legacy-docs/practical-file-system-design.pdf ?
[22:03:29] <l_n> erm.
[22:03:31] <l_n> wrong link.
[22:03:45] <l_n> http://www.haiku-os.org/legacy-docs/programming_the_be_operating_system.pdf
[22:05:31] <cpr420> gordonjcp: it's not a new network interface, it's the end of a socket
[22:05:51] <l_n> google translate has really seemed to have butchered 'Art of BeOS Programming'
[22:05:57] <l_n> it's actually kind of amusing.
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[22:08:38] <Duggan> lol l_n
[22:09:24] <Duggan> cpr420 I have no "formal" network programming education, I just tried to explain it as simply as I could :/
[22:09:46] <gordonjcp> cpr420: ah, okay, that's kind of not what I'm looking for
[22:09:47] <Duggan> and I have no intention of going into an argument about network layers and crap because I'd lose :P
[22:09:58] <cpr420> sure, just clarifying
[22:10:08] <l_n> http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.haiku-os.org%2Flegacy-docs%2FArtOfBeOSProgramming%2F
[22:10:08] <gordonjcp> brb, booting back to linux...
[22:10:48] <gordonjcp> right
[22:11:26] <havokmalo> Anyone know when the next haiku release is scheduled?
[22:11:45] <Duggan> hmm I didn't know that document was still being updated...
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[22:11:57] <Duggan> havokmalo theres no set schedule
[22:12:27] <Duggan> when the devs think they've made enough progress they'll repackage it as R1A3
[22:12:47] <Duggan> they expect a new alpha about every 6 months until R1 is shipped
[22:12:55] <l_n> Duggan: i don't think it is.. i just plugged it into google translate :P
[22:13:24] <Duggan> l_n "In addition, BeOS is a flavor of OS, "HAIKU" open source implementation named as the OS has been handed down."
[22:14:24] <Duggan> I thought it was a legacy doc from the BeOS days
[22:14:27] <dru345> A3 will have WPA :P
[22:14:47] <Duggan> I don't think there's many more alphas before betas
[22:14:59] <Duggan> and I think the betas are going to be more like RCs
[22:15:17] <Duggan> which is probably how it should be, but it doesn't seem most people think so :/
[22:15:53] <Duggan> does anybody else get a NMI on boot?
[22:16:00] <Duggan> I always have but I never heard anybody else talk about it :/
[22:16:53] <cpr420> I used to get several hundred per boot, but that's because my hardware was failing
[22:17:05] <Disreali> dru345; that means you are finally going to get wpa support functioning?
[22:17:14] <l_n> duggan: i think it was written in '06
[22:17:41] <Duggan> l_n thats alot more recently than I would have expected it to
[22:17:58] <l_n> \
[22:18:41] <CIA-54> mmadia * r37740 /haiku/trunk/src/system/ (2 files in 2 dirs):
[22:18:42] <CIA-54> Utilize HAIKU_DISTRO_COMPATIBILITY for the boot splash. Currently only
[22:18:42] <CIA-54> '--distro-compatibility official' will result in the HAIKU logo being
[22:18:42] <CIA-54> displayed. When 'default' or 'compatible', only the icons will display. Due to
[22:18:42] <CIA-54> issues with generate_boot_screen, the "development" logo is not utilized.
[22:18:42] <CIA-54> Relates to #6183 and #6255
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[22:23:18] <CIA-54> mmadia * r37741 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/ (4 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[22:23:18] <CIA-54> Utilize HAIKU_DISTRO_COMPATIBILITY and HAIKU_OFFICIAL_RELEASE for choosing
[22:23:18] <CIA-54> which graphic to display in AboutSystem and Installer.
[22:23:18] <CIA-54> When 'official' and 'HAIKU_OFFICIAL_RELEASE', the 'release' logo -- eg, alpha 2
[22:23:18] <CIA-54> will be used. When 'HAIKU_OFFICIAL_RELEASE' is not defined, the 'development'
[22:23:19] <CIA-54> logo will be used.
[22:23:19] <CIA-54> When 'default' or 'compatible', no graphic will display. Their appearance
[22:26:10] <Anarchos> what is debuganalyzer ?
[22:26:56] <mmadia42> it's a specialized debugger for looking at the system's overall performance --- locking contentions and such
[22:27:25] <Anarchos> mmadia42 ok it won't help me to debug memory problems in my app ?
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[22:27:55] <cpr420> Anarchos: there is an article on the website about using libroot_debug to help with memory problems
[22:29:22] <Anarchos> cpr420 the problem is rather complicated : i use a GC which is correct but erases some data that i didn't protect agains gc...
[22:29:53] <l_n> has anyone attempted to use valgrind on haiku?
[22:30:47] <CIA-54> mmadia * r37742 /haiku/trunk/build/jam/ (BuildSetup HaikuImage):
[22:30:48] <CIA-54> Introduced a new variable, HAIKU_INCLUDE_TRADEMARKS. It used to include/exclude
[22:30:48] <CIA-54> files from HaikuImage and is set when HAIKU_DISTRO_COMPATIBILITY is 'official'
[22:30:48] <CIA-54> or 'compatible'
[22:31:29] <l_n> mmadia42: has somebody (other than
[22:31:43] <l_n> TiltOS) been wanting to distribute haiku?
[22:32:22] <mmadia42> no, but there are non-official repositories of our codebase popping up on github and elsewhere.
[22:32:23] <stpere> SkyOS :P
[22:33:09] <cpr420> senryu and ikon ?
[22:33:23] <mmadia42> i think ikon stopped using Haiku.
[22:33:38] <cpr420> right, but they were planning on it at one point
[22:33:49] <PulkoMandy> there's the future "ArchWalter" too
[22:33:55] <mmadia42> also, what was that one guy who was `spamming' the forums, looking for developers for their vapourware OS?
[22:33:58] <Anarchos> phoudoin are you here ?
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[22:44:09] * PulkoMandy just managed to compile 6809-gcc for haiku :)
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[22:45:51] <Anarchos> PulkoMandy won't you help me debug mem alloc within a GC ? ;)
[22:46:25] <PulkoMandy> mh... not sure I can do much
[22:46:31] <Anarchos> PulkoMandy ok :)
[22:46:50] <dru345> lol PulkoMandy 6809
[22:48:06] <dru345> 8bits are all anyone should need :)
[22:48:12] <cpr420> do we have the proper level of usb/serial support to actually program one?
[22:48:22] <PulkoMandy> no
[22:48:27] <PulkoMandy> that's likely the next step
[22:48:43] <PulkoMandy> well... my6809 machine uses a floppy drive... but we have no drivers for that either
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[22:50:33] <CIA-54> phoudoin * r37743 /haiku/trunk/src/libs/mesa/glut/ (5 files):
[22:50:33] <CIA-54> Implemented glutSetKetRepeat() and glutIgnoreKeyRepeat().
[22:50:33] <CIA-54> this fix #5330.
[22:51:01] <l_n> glutSetKetRepeat() ? what's a 'Ket'? :P
[22:51:11] <Duggan> they're going to call it "ArchWalter"?
[22:51:21] <PulkoMandy> I call it like this
[22:51:23] <PulkoMandy> let's see
[22:51:37] <l_n> Duggan: they're calling what ArchWalter?
[22:51:47] <PulkoMandy> Calimeroteknik doesn(t seem to be around much these days
[22:51:58] <Duggan> l_n the archlinux guys want to do a haiku distro
[22:52:09] * l_n shudders.
[22:52:56] <Duggan> PulkoMandy I only saw him the one day during rmll
[22:53:11] <PulkoMandy> yes
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[22:54:10] <havokmalo> I want to get an understanding of the Haiku source code.
[22:54:18] <Duggan> and I don't think i ever saw any sort of an announcement on their side that they intended on doing it, so maybe it was just the one guy talking
[22:54:19] <havokmalo> Where Should I start
[22:54:21] <havokmalo> ?
[22:54:25] <Duggan> havokmalo write programs for Haiku
[22:54:41] <Anarchos> havokmalo look at the Be sample code
[22:54:50] <Duggan> and look at the easy tasks in trac, I know it sucks but thats the best way right now
[22:55:16] <Duggan> because it isn't as documented as I would like it to be, so I've had to do it that way too.... and I'm still learning
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[22:56:00] <phoudoin> Anarchos: yes, i'm here
[22:56:43] <phoudoin> l_n: a Ket is a small device where a printed letter is missing ;-)
[22:56:46] <Anarchos> phoudoin ok i did the port
[22:56:47] <phoudoin> Sorry about that.
[22:56:57] <phoudoin> Anarchos: how comes? Easy?
[22:57:06] <Duggan> havokmalo are you running haiku?
[22:57:13] <Anarchos> phoudoin nothing difficult indeed : a mime type to change and a SetPermission to add
[22:57:49] <phoudoin> great. Did you publish somewhere already?
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[22:58:10] <phoudoin> Did you try to contact Sir Mik before?
[22:58:10] <Anarchos> phoudoin no :)
[22:58:20] <Anarchos> phoudoin i just updated my beosfrance announce
[22:58:21] <PulkoMandy> Duggan: CalimeroTeknik is some guy we met at the RMLL, he's not from the core archlinux team or whatever
[22:58:31] <PulkoMandy> so there's nothing much official
[22:58:33] <Duggan> PulkoMandy oh ok
[22:59:06] <Duggan> gotcha... he was saying "we want to...." so I figured he might be involved but I knew it was likely he wasn't
[22:59:18] <PulkoMandy> that washe and me likely :)
[22:59:41] <Duggan> "we" as in "the archlinux guys" lol at least that was the impression I got
[23:00:12] <phoudoin> Anarchos: what you could do in the meanwhile is to post a comment on HaikuWare's BeTeX page, sharing a link to your port of TeXLive and BeTeX
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[23:01:06] <Anarchos> i have nowhere to store them on the net, and for TeX i just compiled the binaries, you still need a TexLive distro (2Gb...)
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[23:01:54] <phoudoin> Ouch.
[23:02:09] <phoudoin> Contact haiku-ports, they will host it for you.
[23:02:45] <phoudoin> Maybe you could even generate a patch against some well identified TeXLive source code so people can push upstream?
[23:02:53] <Ola__> hmm
[23:02:56] * Ola__ dreaams...
[23:03:00] <Ola__> Haiku on X1000...
[23:03:18] <cpr420> erm.... If the build instructions and patches are in the haikuports repo then maybe
[23:03:39] <Anarchos> phoudoin for texlive they just need the binaries. the patches are too difficult : involving modifiying files after configure and so on
[23:04:32] <Anarchos> but i will contact haiku-ports
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[23:05:06] <phoudoin> That's your best option so far, and haiku-ports is the central point for... Haiku ports :-)
[23:05:10] <MYOB> virtualbox doesn't seem to see the haikufiles nightly iso burnt to CD as bootable
[23:05:10] <MYOB> odd
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[23:05:34] <phoudoin> MYOB: did you tri with anyboot image instead?
[23:05:39] <phoudoin> try, even
[23:05:42] <cpr420> phoudoin: but we don't really host things where the patches aren't in our repo
[23:05:49] <MYOB> phoudoin I'm downloading a new image first of all, in case its just damaged
[23:05:52] <mmadia42> heya MYOB.  it's best to not use the ISO in emulation.
[23:05:57] <MYOB> I deleted the iso so can't point it at that
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[23:07:28] * PulkoMandy wonders if putting his6809gcc on haiku ports would be of any use...
[23:08:22] <MYOB> mmadia42 it also appears someones already done what I wanted to get Haiku up to do
[23:08:25] <MYOB> namely port OpenTTD
[23:08:26] <MYOB> again
[23:08:30] <Duggan> what was that other compiler somebody was porting a couple months ago?...
[23:09:00] <l_n> llvm + clang
[23:09:18] <cpr420> the chicken compiler!
[23:09:33] <Duggan> can you build haiku with it ? :P
[23:09:40] <Anarchos> Duggan i ported ocaml but it is already in the optional packages
[23:09:51] <MYOB> and I know I should be using real HW, but I'm minus a keyboard for my laptop atm so I don't want to have my desktop running Haiku :P
[23:09:59] <phoudoin> cpr420: good point. Plus BeTeX is not a port. But regarding TeXLive, if Anarchos can't setup the patch file, someone should based on his work, and it deserve a place on haiku-ports.
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[23:10:38] <cpr420> phoudoin: sure, it can be added to the wiki, but I don't think we'll host binaries for something like that
[23:10:42] <Anarchos> phoudoin well i ported betex from beos to haiku :)
[23:11:18] <Duggan> Anarchos I've only heard of that one in passing... lemme look it up
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[23:11:27] <wesbluemarine> do you know if intel 945GSE is full supported by haiku?
[23:11:47] <phoudoin> not really, you adapt BeTeX from TeTeX to TeXLive :-)
[23:12:32] <Anarchos> phoudoin no cause i had to change the mime type of the terminal to call the haiku one, and the permission bug comes from, well i don't know but not teTex related
[23:13:09] <l_n> what is the glibc version for haiku?
[23:13:14] <l_n> (currently)
[23:13:22] <Duggan> wesbluemarine not yet
[23:14:03] <Duggan> wesbluemarine theres alot of problems with the intelextreme graphics driver at the moment, that unfortunately is one of the cards affected
[23:14:57] <wesbluemarine> so Duggan
[23:15:24] <wesbluemarine> i'm searching for a video card that support resulution like 1080p
[23:15:35] <wesbluemarine> but the problem is that i like small pc
[23:15:46] <wesbluemarine> like eeebox for e.g
[23:15:59] <Duggan> things like that I can't necessarily help you with
[23:16:18] <Duggan> but i do know that the intelextreme driver has some issues, for a list of the currently open tickets, see: http://dev.haiku-os.org/query?status=assigned&status=in-progress&status=new&status=reopened&component=%5EDrivers%2FGraphics%2Fintel_extreme&col=id&col=summary&col=status&col=owner&col=type&col=priority&col=milestone&order=priority
[23:17:42] <wesbluemarine> damn
[23:17:48] <MYOB> mmadia42 a fresh download of the iso itself opened up OK
[23:19:41] <Duggan> wesbluemarine yep
[23:20:25] <Duggan> unfortunately I have a GM965, so I'm well aware of the limitations of the driver at present hehe
[23:20:42] <Duggan> but by using the vesa failsafe drivers, everything works fine
[23:21:06] <PulkoMandy> mh... haikuware says 'pulkomandy' is already registered, but doesn't seem to mach it with any of the e-mail address I ever used
[23:21:12] <PulkoMandy> what to do now ?
[23:21:29] <Duggan> :/
[23:22:23] <PulkoMandy> can anyone with a login there try to see if there is a real profile ?
[23:23:00] <PulkoMandy> mh... there is not
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[23:23:08] <wesbluemarine> Duggan but the problem is that with vesa you can't have 1080p resolution
[23:23:15] <PulkoMandy> so what hapenned... I don't remember registering either
[23:23:29] <Duggan> wesbluemarine correct
[23:23:51] <Duggan> your only other options are to either get a new video card or wait until the driver is fixed :/
[23:24:05] <Duggan> which is quite unfortunate
[23:24:35] <Duggan> brb
[23:25:10] <wesbluemarine> i have just an nvidia ion
[23:25:35] <wesbluemarine> i hope i haven't to wait too long
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[23:31:09] <PulkoMandy> http://haikuware.com/fbprofile/userid-52356
[23:31:27] <PulkoMandy> can anyone with a login at haikuware check if that's a profile page with my name ?
[23:31:34] <cpr420> it is
[23:32:00] <cpr420> well, it says PulkoMandy but not your real name
[23:32:35] <wesbluemarine> ATI Radeon 4670 HD is compatible?
[23:33:03] <cpr420> there is only one model of HD that I know of that works and it is only basic support
[23:33:03] <PulkoMandy> cpr420: isthere an email info or anything else useful ?
[23:34:01] <cpr420> PulkoMandy: there isn't really any info there, just the username and the date it was created and stuff
[23:34:18] <mmadia42> possibly your bebits account?
[23:34:22] <PulkoMandy> when is the date then ?
[23:34:32] <PulkoMandy> may help figuring out which address I was using
[23:34:37] <cpr420> 06/19/2009 19:53
[23:34:49] <PulkoMandy> ok, thanks
[23:34:53] <PulkoMandy> that's quite new...
[23:35:12] <Duggan> did you have a bebits account?
[23:35:20] <Duggan> maybe it was only moved over then? :/
[23:35:48] <Duggan> who runs haikuware anyway?
[23:36:53] <Duggan> when was llvm going to be put in ports?
[23:37:42] <PulkoMandy> I can't remember if I had an account at bebits
[23:37:51] <PulkoMandy> and I don't see anyuserlist or whatever
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[23:38:55] <Duggan> no error? http://www.bebits.com/devprofile/PulkoMandy
[23:40:15] <wesbluemarine> PulkoMandy which model?
[23:42:04] <kirilla> Duggan: no, that should be numeric, e.g: http://www.bebits.com/devprofile/2
[23:42:09] <cpr420> wesbluemarine: I think it's the 3200 that's integrated into some AMD chipsets
[23:43:04] <PulkoMandy> Duggan: I get 'login to see the email address'
[23:44:41] <Duggan> oh for some reason I though I saw a name there for one of them
[23:45:03] <Duggan> PulkoMandy yeah but theres no error like "user not found" or something
[23:45:07] <kirilla> well, who knows :)
[23:45:44] <Duggan> PulkoMandy have you tried logging into bebits?
[23:45:51] <Duggan> it is rather recent though...
[23:46:10] <PulkoMandy> yes, I tried that too
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[23:48:37] <Duggan> hey yourpalal
[23:48:52] <yourpalal> hi Duggan, how are you?
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[23:50:59] <Duggan> doing alright yourpalal, you?
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[23:51:18] <Duggan> PulkoMandy I don't see a "PulkoMandy" on haikuware that was created at that time
[23:52:08] <yourpalal> I'm good, just getting my ssh stuff set up so I can start commiting stuff :D
[23:52:32] <PulkoMandy> :)
[23:52:47] <PulkoMandy> well... I'll have to change my nickname then :/
[23:53:09] <Duggan> yourpalal hehe great
[23:54:03] <Duggan> PulkoMandy oh thats the forums...
[23:54:28] <Duggan> I guess thats different than haikuware because haikuware doesn't have an account with that name
[23:54:41] <PulkoMandy> well haikuware tells me it's registered :/
[23:55:23] <Duggan> I take it that first one is an account you just created?
[23:56:34] <Duggan> have you tried "forgot password"?
[23:56:36] <Duggan> oh yeah nevermind
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[23:58:22] <Duggan> pulkoteam? how many members are there of the pulkoteam? :)

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