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[00:15:09] <Anarchos> why Debugger can not list my source ?
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[00:16:56] <Anarchos> Duggan there is also a QuitRequested function
[00:23:22] <MrSunshine__> aye if overloaded thats where the message will "end up"
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[00:45:41] <jmayfield> apple pisses me off...
[00:45:50] <jmayfield> always with the different shaped connectors
[00:46:11] <jmayfield> get a new mac, buy all new things that might plug into it
[00:47:14] <jmayfield> oh, and conveniently switch to this BS multi display port shit.. my older mbp had built in dual channel dvi... but this new one NOOOooo.. they give a a lame singl echannel, and make you buy the dual..$99
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[00:47:45] <jmayfield> i may have to drive to cupertino and pee on something
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[00:52:26] <Ziusudra> http://weblogs.asp.net/jeff/archive/2008/09/21/why-i-hate-windows-today.aspx
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[00:55:59] <Anarchos> phoudoin oui
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[01:09:38] <CIA-37> zooey * r37725 /haiku/trunk/ (294 files in 28 dirs): * reintegrated posix-locale
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[02:14:35] * Xeon3D is a level 7 Enchanted Motorcycle Ur-Paladin ^_^
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[02:32:19] <brobostigon> good night all, sleep well.
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[02:38:31] <away345> hi Xeon3D o/
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[02:54:49] <CIA-37> anevilyak * r538 /webkit/trunk/WebCore/platform/haiku/Language.cpp: Fix build error due to header clash.
[02:56:24] <Disreali> greeting
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[03:06:14] <l_n> yay. i have (at least partial) documentation of libtransmission generated.
[03:07:53] <l_n> oh, and good eve to anyone that's here.
[03:08:22] <mmadia> congrats on the progress, l_n
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[03:08:46] <Xeon3D> 'evening :D
[03:11:59] <l_n> and now to simultaneously learn BeAPI and libtransmission
[03:13:09] <Disreali> Transmission Gui?? yay!
[03:13:12] <l_n> (and figuring out c++ at the same time :P)
[03:13:30] <Disreali> hehe
[03:13:47] <Disreali> I need to do that also
[03:13:49] <l_n> well, my ignorance of c++ and beapi may slow me down.
[03:14:03] <l_n> libtransmission actually seems quite simple
[03:14:28] <Disreali> makes sence, it was a BeOS app originally
[03:16:17] * Xeon3D learned something new today :D
[03:17:08] <Disreali> care to share?
[03:22:40] <Xeon3D> I didn't know Transmission was originally a BeOS app
[03:22:48] * Xeon3D was never much of a fan of torrents...
[03:23:00] <gluon> wow
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[03:23:10] <gluon> didn't know that either
[03:23:47] <Xeon3D> hey gluon
[03:23:48] <Xeon3D> :)
[03:23:51] <gluon> hey
[03:23:58] * Xeon3D loves his job
[03:24:02] <gluon> finished the night shift?
[03:24:09] <Xeon3D> 2 *hot* swedish girls just left.
[03:24:16] <gluon> lol
[03:24:17] <Xeon3D> nah
[03:24:19] <Xeon3D> barely started
[03:24:34] <Xeon3D> 5h35m to go
[03:24:40] <gluon> wow
[03:24:43] <Xeon3D> of which 4 will be spent sleeping :)
[03:24:49] <gluon> where do you work?
[03:24:57] <gluon> in a bar?
[03:25:00] <l_n> need somewhere to u/l the doc tarball
[03:25:06] <Xeon3D> In an Inn in Albufeira :)
[03:25:11] <Xeon3D> l_n:  temporarily?
[03:25:16] <gluon> nice
[03:25:22] <l_n> yeah.. Disreali asked for a copy
[03:25:34] <Xeon3D> lemme create a quick account
[03:25:54] <l_n> Disreali: this is for 2.03, btw
[03:26:17] <Xeon3D> may I pm l_n ?
[03:26:41] <Disreali> l_n: what is that?
[03:26:57] <Xeon3D> i'll just type it here :P
[03:27:04] <l_n> Xeon3D: of course
[03:27:07] <Xeon3D> ssh haikuworld.info
[03:27:10] <Xeon3D> user: haiku
[03:27:11] <Disreali> oh.. Transmissions? cool
[03:27:13] <Xeon3D> pass: 123oliveira4
[03:27:21] <l_n> Disreali: the documentation for libtransmission 2.03
[03:27:22] <mmadia> Xeon3D : that's not wise.
[03:27:35] <Xeon3D> mmadia:  I don't give a damn :P
[03:27:43] <Disreali> haha
[03:27:46] <Xeon3D> I'll erase that account when disreali gets it.
[03:27:55] <Xeon3D> *the file.
[03:28:02] <Xeon3D> (I know this is publically logged)
[03:28:18] <l_n> hrm.. should've used scp
[03:28:24] <l_n> or sftp
[03:28:44] <mmadia> iirc, scp & sftp would still utilize ssh access
[03:28:51] <Disreali> go ahead and rm it. I'm on xp and don't have ssh available
[03:29:40] * Disreali goes back to playing Quake
[03:29:46] <Xeon3D> Disreali:  sec
[03:30:04] <l_n> it's there
[03:30:29] <l_n> mmadia: they do
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[03:34:18] <l_n> mmadia: what exactly do you change with the transmission patches? i got it to build with 0-1 edits IIRC
[03:35:01] <mmadia> http://haiku.pastebin.org/414022
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[03:35:44] <mmadia> titer did most of the work when he did the 1.6x port
[03:36:02] <mmadia> how's summer going bebop-haiku ?
[03:36:03] <l_n> ah, okay.. yeah.. the sys/select.h i put in the header for that .c file
[03:36:25] <l_n> what's with the strtold being changed to strtod ?
[03:37:31] <mmadia> dunno, that was part of the older patch
[03:37:52] <bebop-haiku> hey mmadia: pretty good, you?
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[03:38:49] <bebop-haiku> I just got a new machine and am trying to get haiku running so I can work on the project again.
[03:39:59] <Xeon3D> bebop-haiku:  having issues?
[03:40:40] <bebop-haiku> yeah I am getting: usb error control pipe 47: timeout waiting for queued request to complete
[03:41:03] <mmadia> in your syslog?
[03:41:22] <bebop-haiku> usb error uhci -1: td (0x......) status: 0x0445007 token: 0x00e0002d
[03:41:32] <Xeon3D> mmadia:  should be :P
[03:41:34] <bebop-haiku> yeah I am dumping to screen
[03:41:45] <bebop-haiku> I get to the disk icon
[03:41:48] <Xeon3D> bebop-haiku:  you wouldn't happen to have a sdcard or similar inserted would ya?
[03:41:51] <mmadia> is this an intel or amd box? what's connected to your usb?
[03:41:56] <bebop-haiku> no
[03:42:09] <bebop-haiku> the mobo is, evga x58 sli le
[03:42:18] <bebop-haiku> with intel i7 930
[03:42:27] <bebop-haiku> nothing is connected to the usb
[03:42:53] <bebop-haiku> I remember needing to remove the usb hubs that are connected to the mobo to get past this with another computer
[03:43:06] <bebop-haiku> but I don't really feel like opening my case right now
[03:43:14] <mmadia> that usb error isn't anythign to really worry about -- my syslog's constantly flooded with them.
[03:43:31] <bebop-haiku> yeah, I thought it might be a problem with the disk controller
[03:43:55] <l_n> hehe.. lines 36-38 of libtransmission/bencode.h are funny.
[03:43:59] <bebop-haiku> but I got past most of those issues by setting my disks to use ahci
[03:44:13] <bebop-haiku> let me see if I can get a whole syslog
[03:44:52] <mmadia> http://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/ReportingBugs#Syslog
[03:49:23] <Xeon3D> btw, hello to you too mmadia
[03:49:37] * mmadia nods
[03:49:38] * l_n is trying to figure out what the bencDict is for..
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[03:52:22] <Xeon3D> mmadia: that computer of mine is sitting @ my home just to host my irc bouncer...
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[03:52:39] <Xeon3D> the only thing one could say it has of "value" are the pootle test installs
[03:52:41] <mmadia> oh, you saw the note? :)
[03:52:47] <Xeon3D> ye
[03:52:53] <mmadia> :]
[03:53:05] <l_n> the hi.xeon3d file, i assume?
[03:53:09] <Xeon3D> ye :D
[03:53:34] <l_n> Xeon3D: it now has the libtransmission doxygen-generated docs on it
[03:53:40] <Xeon3D> 03:53:13 up 11 days, 10:43,  1 user,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
[03:54:31] * l_n ssh's back to that box to move the file.
[03:54:43] <Xeon3D> mmadia:  also, I'm using arch as a server, what does that tell ya? :)
[03:55:19] <mmadia> not much.  just felt like leaving a small hello :)
[03:55:53] <l_n> heh.. that makes 3 touched files now :P
[03:56:59] <Xeon3D> 4 ^_^
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[03:57:45] <l_n> heh.. if they had been touch'ed in public_html, we could see the growing conversation :P
[03:57:54] <velcroshooz> is it better to use the vm image or iso in virtualbox?
[03:58:15] <Xeon3D> velcroshooz:  depends, if you're confortable with just 2gb's of free space :P
[03:58:21] <Xeon3D> if not, use the ISO :P
[03:58:29] <l_n> velcroshooz: use an anyboot image to install to real hardware :P
[03:58:43] <velcroshooz> ah, good point. ill stick with the iso then
[03:58:53] <mmadia> no, the ISO should only be burned to an actual disc.
[03:59:03] <mmadia> you can use the vmware image to install from too.
[03:59:10] <Xeon3D> mmadia:  I've used the iso to install to a VM before :P
[03:59:18] <mmadia> yes, but it's not ideal. ...
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[03:59:35] <Xeon3D> btw, tested 36767 or 37676 whichever is right on a kids netbook... and it has problems with the rtl8187 on it :/
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[03:59:56] <bebop-haiku> yeah I am unimpressed by the nic
[04:00:05] <mmadia> eg, since some packages are stored as zips on the ISO, some of the symlinks in lib/gcc2|gcc4 won't be created.
[04:00:15] <mmadia> as the Installer doesn't handle that properly yet.
[04:00:16] <velcroshooz> okay so the vmware image is the better of the two for virtualbox?
[04:01:24] <bebop-haiku> mmadia: does grub trash the memory that the syslog is stored in?
[04:01:28] <mmadia> yes -- for either running or using intalling.
[04:01:33] <bebop-haiku> ah
[04:01:36] <bebop-haiku> hum
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[04:01:51] <mmadia> dunno bebop-haiku, i really haven't tried the boot loader's syslog recover options.
[04:02:01] <bebop-haiku> ah
[04:02:07] <CK|iPod> What is libtransmission anyway?
[04:02:47] <cpr420> jfgi
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[04:07:21] <Xeon3D> btw, any news on pootle?
[04:09:29] * cpr420 thinks "pootle" sounds like something a baby does in a diaper
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[04:11:07] <Xeon3D> cpr420:  true. also, it needs some more ajax and keyboard shortcuts.
[04:11:30] <Xeon3D> having to reach for the mouse to translate the next sentence is crap.
[04:11:51] * Xeon3D hugs HTA :D
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[04:14:54] <bebop-haiku> no idea how it happened but I can boot now!
[04:15:26] <cpr420> maybe a warm/cold boot issue?
[04:16:22] <bebop-haiku> maybe the incantations?
[04:16:40] <bebop-haiku> whatever it is I will take it
[04:16:44] <cpr420> maybe the power of positive thinking?
[04:16:50] <bebop-haiku> nic even works
[04:16:56] <bebop-haiku> ha, thats gotta be it
[04:18:12] * Xeon3D is betting on shenanigans.
[04:19:36] <bebop-haiku> is there a way to see what driver is being used for video?
[04:19:51] <cpr420> heh
[04:20:21] <cpr420> hover over the monitor in the screen prefs
[04:20:21] <bebop-haiku> syslog it is
[04:20:40] <cpr420> or listimage | grep accel
[04:20:45] <bebop-haiku> oh thats pretty cool
[04:20:53] <bebop-haiku> listimage
[04:20:56] <bebop-haiku> oops
[04:21:06] <cpr420> yeah, it doesn't work in IRC :P
[04:21:10] <bebop-haiku> haha
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[04:25:17] <bebop-haiku> does the nvidia and nvidia_gpgpu support the same cards?
[04:26:01] <l_n> CK|iPod: it's the backend for transmission
[04:26:21] <l_n> it's not built as a shared object, but can still be used statically
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[05:32:08] <kurain> hello all
[05:32:12] <kurain> hello marcos
[05:32:14] <dru345> hi kurain
[05:32:28] <kurain> is marcos here?
[05:32:52] <Xeon3D> i am :)
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[10:11:34] <ali3n0> hi folks
[10:11:45] <dru345> hello
[10:12:49] <ali3n0> thunderstorm killed my desktop :(
[10:14:57] <dru345> :(
[10:16:10] <dru345> i must go now. bye
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[10:16:20] <dru345> hi PulkoMandy. bye PulkoMandy.
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[10:19:33] <ali3n0> PulkoMandy, is this a coding day too?
[10:20:30] <ali3n0> you're very active!
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[10:40:36] <PulkoMandy> yes, I never stop :)
[10:41:00] <PulkoMandy> I'm paid for working on Haiku this summer, and I don't know if I'll have as much free time when I'm back to school
[10:41:25] <ali3n0> paid! cool
[10:41:59] <ali3n0> haiku inc is paying?
[10:42:08] <PulkoMandy> yes
[10:42:28] <ali3n0> how many devs?
[10:42:42] <PulkoMandy> currently, axeld and me
[10:42:54] <PulkoMandy> stippi and ingo also had contracts earlier in the year
[10:43:25] <ali3n0> I must admit this haiku project is very inspiring
[10:43:48] <ali3n0> I'm trying to open a software consultancy company with friends of mine
[10:44:03] <ali3n0> and to survive with opensource is our goal
[10:44:35] <ali3n0> real plan is world conquer of course
[10:45:13] <iIngenu> with an army of shark
[10:45:16] <iIngenu> s
[10:45:29] <ali3n0> commercial sharks
[10:45:33] <PulkoMandy> haiku, inc is mainly funded with donations, and I don't think they have enough money to pay someone full-time, so it's 2-month contracts (or similar durations), and it's not paid much
[10:45:52] <PulkoMandy> but well, it avoids me seeking another job, that likely would not have been as interesting and challenging
[10:45:52] <ali3n0> yeah I've seen on the site
[10:46:06] <PulkoMandy> and, I work from home or anywhere I want :)
[10:46:24] <ali3n0> yep makes a whole lot of sens
[10:46:25] <ali3n0> e
[10:47:07] <ali3n0> btw, I really wish one day I could propose haiku to my customers
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[10:48:24] <ali3n0> I'm more a sysadmin than a coder but recently I'm trying my way on C++ because of haiku
[10:48:55] <iIngenu> I don't like C++
[10:49:09] <iIngenu> (useless plug)
[10:49:13] <ali3n0> I love python myself
[10:49:25] <ali3n0> so yeah I like comfort too :)(
[10:50:03] <ali3n0> but I guess if you want to write an OS, C / C++ is still the choice nowadays
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[10:56:14] <iIngenu> you need low level access for sure
[10:56:40] <ali3n0> and you need a compiled language too
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[11:11:56] <marc_smith> hmm, I was just wondering who gets contracted to work on Haiku code. Do devs care for the OS, or they just code for green paper? ;)
[11:12:59] <Hubert_> hi marc_smith
[11:13:00] <ali3n0> well is not that much green paper, so I guess the first :)
[11:13:59] <gordonjcp> PulkoMandy: Bayonne as in the city?
[11:14:08] <marc_smith> hello Hubert_
[11:14:45] <marc_smith> also, I was wondering if the devs code with security in mind ;)
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[11:15:04] <marc_smith> maybe someone can sched some light on his/her work ;)
[11:15:38] <marc_smith> in free time of course
[11:15:48] <marc_smith> that would be interresting
[11:15:53] <Ingenu> they care for the OS
[11:15:59] <marc_smith> cool
[11:16:02] <Ingenu> you have to care for the OS anyway
[11:16:10] <Ingenu> otherwise you wouldn't know it exist ;p
[11:16:19] <marc_smith> hehe, true enough!
[11:16:22] <CK|iPod> Haiku is amazing
[11:16:25] <Ingenu> only people already working on the code base for free get paid to do more work
[11:16:34] <Ingenu> AFAIK
[11:16:41] <marc_smith> \amazing indeed
[11:18:16] <ali3n0> if I decided to learn pointers, it IS amazing indeed!
[11:18:21] <marc_smith> dry logic applied, Ingenu. I haven't thought about it this way
[11:21:30] * Hubert_ goes today to the concert Europe
[11:21:34] <Hubert_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tt_ro2aerQg
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[11:22:57] <marc_smith> that song traumatized me back in the days I was a kid
[11:23:16] <marc_smith> don't know why, but I don't respond to it optimistically
[11:24:23] <Ingenu> bah
[11:24:24] <Ingenu> pointers
[11:24:26] <Ingenu> references
[11:24:28] <Ingenu> they are the same thing
[11:24:45] <Ingenu> the second is just a pointer with a contract (should not be null or bad)
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[11:27:04] <PulkoMandy> gordonjcp: yes... well I'm 100km away but the french internet is wired strangely :)
[11:27:29] <ali3n0> PulkoMandy, networking issues?
[11:28:02] <PulkoMandy> no, I'm testing things
[11:28:19] <PulkoMandy> each time I change the locale api, the deskbar&tracker won't run so I have to do a full build
[11:29:49] <PulkoMandy> and reboot for testing :)
[11:30:45] <ali3n0> so your workstation is your development environment too
[11:32:46] <PulkoMandy> yes, I don't have that much computers that can run Haiku... most of the things here are Atari STe :)
[11:33:06] <PulkoMandy> mh... or perhaps there are more 68k macintoshs... I'll have to count again
[11:34:00] <ali3n0> atari st?!
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[11:34:39] <PulkoMandy> yes, why not ? :)
[11:34:46] <ali3n0> I'm curious how many
[11:35:09] <PulkoMandy> mh... I think I have 4 or 5 of them around
[11:35:25] <ali3n0> ahah, do they still work?
[11:35:53] <PulkoMandy> mostly yes... I need to replace some floppy drives and one of them has no heyboard
[11:36:40] <ali3n0> I wish I can have my old commodore64 to put in my new office
[11:37:49] <PulkoMandy> mh... that's one machine I don't have
[11:38:09] <ali3n0> ah you do collect old machine than?
[11:38:09] <PulkoMandy> they are not that common in france
[11:38:30] <ali3n0> it was here in Italy
[11:38:33] <PulkoMandy> well, I collected them, now my room is full of random things so I stopped :)
[11:38:50] <PulkoMandy> and no one want to take these macintoshs away :)
[11:39:02] <ali3n0> how much for 1 of those? :-P
[11:39:40] <PulkoMandy> well, I'd give them away for the shipping price
[11:39:59] <PulkoMandy> but knowing the french postal service they'll likely get broken down during the travel
[11:40:07] <ali3n0> good to know
[11:40:14] <ali3n0> maybe for my shine new office...
[11:40:49] <ali3n0> I want to give it a geek fashion you know... maybe some old stuff could suit
[11:40:56] <PulkoMandy> :)
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[11:42:17] <PulkoMandy> http://pulkomandy.ath.cx/_photos/_Game%20room/_/
[11:42:33] <PulkoMandy> at some point it looked like that, but I'm cleaning it up this summer
[11:44:36] <ali3n0> gosh
[11:44:42] <ali3n0> it was a realy geeky mess :)
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[11:50:49] <marc_smith> I like small spaces
[11:50:59] <marc_smith> I think I might be agoraphobic, lol
[11:51:54] * marc_smith pulls out his own, custom-made coffin
[11:55:05] <Hubert_> PulkoMandy: holy......
[11:55:21] <Hubert_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPnkM1D4MsM&feature=related
[11:56:03] <Hubert_> PulkoMandy: Do you sleep in this sofa?
[11:56:37] <PulkoMandy> not anymore, I have a regular bed now
[11:56:46] <PulkoMandy> it was quite annoying to fold and unfold
[11:58:29] <Hubert_> PulkoMandy: Did I see Atari?
[11:58:38] <Hubert_> ST?
[12:02:51] <PulkoMandy> yes :)
[12:03:32] <Hubert_> ;)
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[12:23:01] <gordonjcp> PulkoMandy: ah, okay, was wondering if you knew Bruno Bord
[12:23:08] <gordonjcp> PulkoMandy: iirc he lives in Bayonne
[12:24:04] <PulkoMandy> mh,no I don't
[12:24:24] <gordonjcp> PulkoMandy: I was going to swing by and see him when I was in France before I realised exactly how far it is from Le Mans to Bayonne
[12:24:58] <gordonjcp> PulkoMandy: he's one of the Ubuntu devs
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[12:25:50] <PulkoMandy> :)
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[12:31:22] <gordonjcp> PulkoMandy: all very well popping in for a visit, but it was very nearly as far again as I'd already gone
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[12:52:01] <Anarchos> error : "the following virtual functions are abstract:/boot/develop/headers/os/storage/FilePanel.h:26:        bool BRefFilter::Filter(const entry_ref *, BNode *, stat_beos *, const char *)"
[12:59:17] <Anarchos> ok stat has been renamed as stat_beos
[12:59:36] <PulkoMandy> we have a newer stat with more things inside
[12:59:42] <PulkoMandy> (posixish stuff likely)
[13:00:32] <Anarchos> PulkoMandy i guess, as i am porting BeTex, i have to rename some things...
[13:00:50] <PulkoMandy> ok, good luck :)
[13:00:54] <Anarchos> PulkoMandy i compile with gcc2 since gcc4 raises too much c++ syntax errors
[13:02:29] <PulkoMandy> that will come later
[13:02:46] <Anarchos> PulkoMandy what ?
[13:03:43] <PulkoMandy> fixing errors detected by gcc4
[13:04:04] <PulkoMandy> they are usually not complete nonsense... but get it working with gcc2 first
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[13:04:12] <Anarchos> PulkoMandy ok
[13:04:33] <Anarchos> well it works, i just have problems launching commands because of the new terminal settings file syntax
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[13:15:13] <ali3n0> gotta go... girlfriend is pressing... see you soon guys
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[14:21:06] <Anarchos> if i create a BFile, how to create it executable ?
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[14:52:29] <CIA-54> pulkomandy * r37727 /haiku/trunk/src/preferences/locale/LanguageListView.cpp:
[14:52:29] <CIA-54> /Donnees/Dev/Haiku/haiku/src/preferences/locale/LanguageListView.h:0: nondigits in number and not hexadecimal --This line,
[14:52:29] <CIA-54> and those below, will be ignored--
[14:52:29] <CIA-54> * Simplify a little the code in the draw method and make the list look prettier (the spacing was weird)
[14:52:29] <CIA-54> M locale/LanguageListView.cpp
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[15:03:31] <Anarchos> sorry for the disconnect
[15:03:57] <Anarchos> when i create a file with BFile, what is the good way to mark it as executable , as in chmod u+x ?
[15:07:58] <humdinger> Anarchos: Never done that before, but isn't BStatable the right class to look at?
[15:08:01] <humdinger> See: file:///boot/system/documentation/bebook/BStatable.html
[15:08:34] <Anarchos> humdinger yes sure but i don't know where the +x is hidden in it !
[15:09:39] <humdinger> From that page: "The permissions value is a combination of the following bitfield constants (defined in posix/sys/stat.h):"
[15:09:48] <humdinger> S_IXUSR owner's execute bit.
[15:09:53] <humdinger> etc
[15:10:05] <Anarchos> humdinger ok i will add this one to my BFile, thx for the doc
[15:10:20] <humdinger> np
[15:11:37] <l_n> status_t SetPermissions(mode_t perms);  <----that appears to be the method you want
[15:13:18] <Anarchos> l_n yes it worked !!
[15:13:45] <Anarchos> now i have a fully working BeTex+pdflatex+BePDF on haiku !!!!
[15:14:07] <humdinger> cool stuff!
[15:16:18] * l_n is still reading the libtransmission docs to figure out how it works
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[15:23:43] <humdinger> let's have some tea...
[15:23:49] <humdinger> cyall
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[16:05:43] * l_n has libtransmission in shared library form now.
[16:11:04] <l_n> (eventually i'll get to a point where i can start writing code rather than just modifying/adjusting the library stuff)
[16:11:37] <knut_> You're going to write a native GUI aren't you ?
[16:12:16] <l_n> eventually, yes.
[16:12:22] <l_n> at least that's the plan.
[16:12:34] <knut_> nice
[16:14:48] <l_n> i've generated documentation with doxygen for libtransmission, turned it into a shared lib, and now must reference the bebook and 'programming the beos' so i can learn how to write a beos app
[16:15:13] <PulkoMandy> :)
[16:15:16] <knut_> There's also Darkwyrm's new book
[16:15:22] <Anarchos> l_n look at the original beos sample code too !
[16:15:35] <l_n> i have that stashed somewhere..
[16:15:37] <PulkoMandy> class myApp: BApplication { /* there you go */ };
[16:15:46] <l_n> btw, anybody want a zipped up libtransmission-2.03?
[16:15:59] <PulkoMandy> put it on haikuware and/or haikuports
[16:16:35] <Anarchos> PulkoMandy port of BeTex completed and tested :)
[16:16:48] <l_n> well, i was thinking there was no use putting it up unless someone else was actually interested in a libtransmission shared lib
[16:17:03] * l_n should probably add the doxygen-generated docs to the zipfile
[16:17:27] <PulkoMandy> l_n: well, if someone gets interested inseptember, he'll be happy to find it
[16:21:22] <helf> lol
[16:21:23] <helf> man
[16:21:30] <helf> look at the photo in this auction
[16:21:31] <helf> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1978-GM-CHEVROLET-CHEV-350-V8-Engine-w-o-EGR-/200141863211?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2e9962792b
[16:21:36] <helf> then the description
[16:21:39] <helf> "RUNS GOOD!"
[16:21:49] <helf> it looks like a pile of scrap metal
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[16:31:46] <gordonjcp> helf: heh
[16:43:22] <l_n> lol
[16:43:52] <l_n> http://haikuware.com/directory/view-details/system-files/shared-libraries/libtransmission-203
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[17:56:15] <CIA-54> wim * r37728 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/screenshot/ScreenshotWindow.cpp: * One more syle fix\n* Adding a missing break
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[18:01:16] <CIA-54> zooey * r37729 /haiku/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): * minor cleanup (whitespace and superfluous include)
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[18:17:30] <CIA-54> zooey * r37730 /haiku/trunk/ (5 files in 4 dirs):
[18:17:30] <CIA-54> Fix problems with sed and gcc caused by reintegration of posix-locale:
[18:17:30] <CIA-54> * support invocation of ctype/wctype macros with EOF/WEOF (-1), which would
[18:17:30] <CIA-54> access more or less random memory before - I don't know why this worked
[18:17:30] <CIA-54> more or less reliably for the POSIX locale, but it didn't for any other
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[18:37:42] <HeTo> will svn find out that Haiku uses UTF-8 now that the POSIX locale stuff has been integrated?
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[19:30:54] <gluon> where do you guys use the deskbar, top/bottom or on the side?
[19:31:35] <Anarchos> gluon upside right
[19:32:50] <gluon> Anarchos: do you ever maximize windows? Don't you care if the maximized window hides the deskbar or do you make it always on top?
[19:33:19] <gluon> (trying to find the deskbar placement nirvana lol)
[19:33:36] <dru345> i use deskbar in default location
[19:34:02] <gluon> which is nice, but has this problem I mentioned with maximized windows
[19:34:05] <HeTo> I have it in the top-right corner and rarely maximise windows, and even then usually just for a short while
[19:34:06] <humdinger> If I use an app fullscreen (mostly only on the small netbook), and want to use the Deskbar, I change workspaces.
[19:34:38] <HeTo> maximising a window will usually mean a lot of wasted space, anyway
[19:34:54] <humdinger> especially with widescreen displays
[19:35:13] <gluon> yeah but I got this habit from using tilling window managers lol
[19:35:59] <HeTo> also, I like to keep IRC visible all the time, and maximising a window makes that impossible as well
[19:36:09] <gluon> right
[19:36:46] <HeTo> in addition, there's nicely room for some often used desktop icons below the Deskbar
[19:37:00] <humdinger> I had Desktop on auto-raise for a while, but I'm such a mouse-klutz that it kept popping up... :)
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[19:37:54] <humdinger> Also, If you just maximize a window, the yellow tab makes sure the Deskbar is always reachable.
[19:38:21] <humdinger> That's why I don't particularly like web+'s zoom button triggers fullscreen.l
[19:38:23] <HeTo> the autorise is horrible, especially as it steals the focus
[19:38:37] <gluon> humdinger: right, if you use the deskbar on the default place :)
[19:38:41] <HeTo> or at least used to
[19:38:43] <humdinger> It wold be OK, if it auto-lowers again after leaving the Deskbar
[19:39:03] <humdinger> gluon: Where else. :)
[19:39:59] <gluon> humdinger: well, the yellow tab makes sure the deskbar button is always visible, not the notification area
[19:40:14] <humdinger> the tray?
[19:40:17] <gluon> right
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[19:40:41] <humdinger> yep, but it makes sure it's just a click away.
[19:40:50] <gluon> it's impossible to place the tray at the same level as the button, unless you place the deskbar on the top/bottom
[19:40:55] <gluon> right
[19:41:33] <gluon> I guess I'll try to change my long standing habit of tilling/maximizing :)
[19:41:46] <gluon> it used to be like this: http://www.scrnshots.com/users/vascocosta/screenshots/171074
[19:42:02] <humdinger> I agree, that fullscree should respect the Deskbar when top/bottom.
[19:42:59] <gluon> me too
[19:43:24] <gluon> it respects when the deskbar is at the top, once again due to the yellow tabs :)
[19:43:35] <gluon> but then you loose the tab
[19:43:43] <gluon> which goes behind the deskbar
[19:45:20] <PulkoMandy> use stack and tile ! :)
[19:46:09] <gluon> PulkoMandy: stack and tile seems great for someone addicted into tilling wm's like me
[19:46:25] <gluon> how do I enable s&t?
[19:46:43] <PulkoMandy> it's in a branch currently, but the branch is often out of date :/
[19:46:57] <PulkoMandy> you can svn switch to it
[19:47:09] * gluon browses the source...
[19:47:14] <PulkoMandy> I think you'd have to ask czeidler for more info however
[19:47:22] <gluon> ok
[19:47:43] <PulkoMandy> http://dev.haiku-os.org/browser/haiku/branches/features/stack-and-tile
[19:47:46] <PulkoMandy> here it is
[19:47:50] <gluon> oh thanks
[19:49:27] <PulkoMandy> it was synced with trunk 2 month ago
[19:49:42] <PulkoMandy> so, you'll miss all the localizing work ... (and other things)
[19:50:31] <gluon> not a problem, I'll give it a try
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[19:57:49] <bojan> hi guys!
[19:58:04] <gluon> hi
[19:58:08] <humdinger> hi bojan
[19:58:11] <bojan> I'm a beginer with Haiku, and need a help
[19:58:29] <bojan> I'm using a specific board and having trouble with booting
[19:58:37] <bojan> it's an old Abit BP6
[19:58:41] <Duggan> hi all
[19:58:52] <humdinger> hi Duggan
[19:59:04] <bojan> anyone tried using this board with Haiku?
[19:59:09] <Duggan> hey humdinger
[19:59:45] <bojan> I also haven't used IRC in ages, so forgive me if I'm breaking any rules :D
[19:59:58] <humdinger> bojan: not me. hardware issues are always tough to help with.
[20:00:20] <bojan> everything is working properly
[20:00:27] <bojan> I have win2k on the same machiner
[20:00:28] <Duggan> bojan the Abit KN8 has been tested and found compatible, I don't see the BP6 has not that I'm aware of
[20:00:39] <Duggan> erm
[20:00:51] <Duggan> I don't see that the BP6 has been tested
[20:01:00] <bojan> BP6 is dual celeron i440BX motherboard
[20:01:04] <bojan> pretty old thing >D
[20:01:07] <Duggan> http://haikuware.com/hardware/motherboards
[20:01:56] <bojan> I saw a guy on YT running dual P2s with Haiku, so there must be a way :D
[20:02:24] <humdinger> bojan: What seems to be the problem?
[20:02:47] <bojan> the problem is when booting, it displays a msg / no boot partition
[20:02:59] <bojan> can we talk in priv?
[20:03:01] <Duggan> do you have a bootloader installed?
[20:03:18] <bojan> no, I'm totaly new to this :/
[20:03:25] <Duggan> thats probably why then :)
[20:03:40] <humdinger> bojan: I think you'll have a better chance of solving your problem when more people read you.:)
[20:04:00] <bojan> sorry for my english
[20:04:01] <bojan> also rusty with it :D
[20:04:25] <humdinger> bojan: So, you have w2k on the hd and installed Haiku from CD or USB?
[20:04:25] <Duggan> your english is fine compared to some people that come in here :)
[20:04:58] <bojan> I have win2k on hdd, which uses HPT366 controler (not integrated)
[20:05:08] <bojan> and I have Haiku instalation on CD
[20:05:17] <bojan> but no way to install it
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[20:06:04] <humdinger> if it's not even booting the CD (how did you burn t ISO? anyboot?) it may be the controller not being supported.
[20:06:19] <bojan> I left a few gigs of space for Haiku...
[20:06:58] <bojan> it's booting the CD, cause it's on integrated controler
[20:07:11] <bojan> the non-integrated cntrl is faster, so I'm using it
[20:07:21] <bojan> CD is burned with nero or smthng
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[20:07:51] <humdinger> maybe it's worth it to change to to internal controller.
[20:08:04] <bojan> it starts the boot, displays the message no/boot partition and displays console
[20:08:06] <humdinger> If the CD boots, it's OK I guess.
[20:08:07] <l_n> i had a problem with an sata controller being set to raid mode.. had to set it to normal ide mode to get haiku to boot.
[20:08:12] <PulkoMandy> maybe haiku just doesn't like having two controllers at once
[20:08:22] <l_n> (but changing it from RAID mode broke windows xp :-/ )
[20:08:48] <bojan> I already have fully working win2k on the contrlr, so I won't break it if I dont have to...
[20:09:11] <PulkoMandy> bojan: ok, so you can boot the cd, but from there you can't see the hard drive ?
[20:09:21] <bojan> is there a way for haiku to add drivers for unsupported hardware like for win?
[20:09:30] <humdinger> What... Windows breaks down when changing to another supported controler...? Oh yes... Windows... :)
[20:09:31] <bojan> that would be the best explanation Mandy
[20:10:12] <l_n> humdinger: it's when changing the sata mode.. i guess it can't figure out that it's on the first partition of the drive without the UUID matching..
[20:10:16] <PulkoMandy> we can add drivers... but I think no one wrote one for your controller
[20:10:38] <bojan> great :D
[20:11:01] <bojan> are there any drivers for integrated cntrlr in i440BX
[20:11:05] <PulkoMandy> you'll have to find what controller it is exactly and look at bebits.com or haikuware.com if there is a driver
[20:11:06] <humdinger> bojan: so, easy solution: get another old harddrive and hook it up to the internal ctrler
[20:11:10] <bojan> or whichever is the southbridge
[20:11:28] <PulkoMandy> well if you run from the cd it should work with harddrive too
[20:11:35] <bojan> ok, I'l look, and then I'm coming back :)
[20:11:46] <PulkoMandy> if all else fail you can still run from usb too
[20:12:01] <humdinger> until then you have the liveCD to play with. :)
[20:12:01] <bojan> no USB boot support on this mobo :)
[20:12:08] <PulkoMandy> (using a bootloader if the bios doesn't support it, I think one called plop can do that from a floppy)
[20:12:23] <bojan> but the live CD also won't boot :)
[20:12:43] <bojan> I used plop, and I have it :)
[20:13:08] <humdinger> Oh, I thought the cd booted up...
[20:13:59] <bojan> I starts booting and freezes
[20:14:26] <bojan> does it have a problem with dual CPUs?
[20:14:58] <humdinger> normally not, but who knows... does get to the boot icons?
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[20:15:15] <bojan> zes, it shows them, and then it stops
[20:15:18] <bojan> *yes
[20:15:36] <humdinger> then keep shift pressed and try some options there.
[20:15:44] <bojan> ok, I'll try
[20:15:57] <humdinger> Also make sure Plug&Play is deactivated in BIOS
[20:16:03] <bojan> I' using that PC now, so it's only a matter of adjustment
[20:16:15] <bojan> if I deactivate it, will win2k work normally?
[20:16:33] <humdinger> dunno. worth a try.
[20:16:44] <bojan> ok, I' going
[20:16:47] <bojan> see ya later
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[20:16:55] <humdinger> FWIW I used to run w2k without P&P
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[20:18:03] <l_n> 'ello, mmu_screen
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[20:24:05] <HeTo> I think the PnP OS setting in BIOSes was only used to work around bugs in Win95
[20:24:26] <bojan> ok, I'm back :)
[20:24:28] <bojan> I tried using SHIFT during boot
[20:24:40] <bojan> and got a lot of options, but it didn't help
[20:25:12] <bojan> the console gives a msg - PANIC: no boot partitions detected
[20:25:22] <bojan> so I beleive that it's a problem of HDD
[20:25:25] <Duggan> hey l_n, mmu_screen
[20:25:27] <l_n> bojan: are you using satta?
[20:25:34] <bojan> no it's ATA
[20:25:49] <bojan> non integrated HPT366 controler on abit bp6 motherboard
[20:26:03] <bojan> it's ATA66, so it's faster than ATA33 onboard
[20:26:25] <l_n> hrm.. like i said, i had that same issue with my desktop.. the (s)ata controller was set to raid in the bios instead of normal ide or ahci
[20:26:31] <humdinger> Funny that booting from CD should depend on the HDD...
[20:26:41] <l_n> it's not depending on the hdd...
[20:26:58] <Duggan> not burned to the cd appropriately?
[20:27:01] <bojan> but I can't boot liveCD also
[20:27:13] <humdinger> l_n: Then what's that error msg?
[20:27:21] <bojan> it starts booting, shows all the icons and no deal...
[20:27:32] <luroh> bojan: do you happen to have any BFS formatted partitions on your HDD?
[20:27:50] <bojan> no
[20:27:54] <luroh> k
[20:28:07] <bojan> but i think the problem is there are no drivers for my cntrlr
[20:28:20] <bojan> so why won't it boot from cd?
[20:28:41] <bojan> http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=603 this is the board
[20:29:06] <bojan> should I disable ACPi or set MPS proc support to 1.1 for 1.4?
[20:29:15] <luroh> how far does it get, have all the boot icons lit up when the panic occurs?
[20:29:31] <Duggan> have you tried booting in safe mode?
[20:29:32] <bojan> they are supposed to lid up, right?
[20:29:39] <luroh> yes
[20:29:49] <bojan> none of them lids up
[20:30:00] <bojan> I'm gonna try again
[20:30:05] <bojan> be back soon :D
[20:30:07] <luroh> well, they should turn from grey to colored actually
[20:30:11] <humdinger> good luck
[20:30:15] <l_n> humdinger: the bios can see the cd/dvd, but when it hands control over to the bootloader, it has no way of finding devices..
[20:30:19] <bojan> they remain grey
[20:30:31] <luroh> ok, it's not getting very far then
[20:30:32] <l_n> so you end up with the bootloader in memory and it can't find any data to boot.
[20:30:36] <luroh> try disabling ACPI
[20:30:42] <luroh> then try disabling SMP
[20:30:50] <bojan> in Haiku settings?
[20:31:00] <humdinger> boot options
[20:31:03] <bojan> @lurojh
[20:31:08] <bojan> ok, I'll try
[20:31:12] <bojan> I'm gone
[20:31:14] <bojan> bye
[20:31:14] <luroh> in the boot menu (by pressing shift during boot)
[20:31:15] * l_n wonders why nobody is listening to someone who's had this issue... (the same error)
[20:31:16] <mmadia> wasn't there an issue with the cd/dvd drives as 'slave', instead of master?
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[20:31:48] * l_n bangs his head against a wall, as it seems more productive than saying how to fix it *again*
[20:31:50] <luroh> mmadia: good idea, worth checking in any case
[20:31:52] <humdinger> l_n: he doesn't have a sata hd, but a hd on an unsupported controller
[20:32:10] <l_n> it's still an issue of the bootloader can't see the drives.
[20:32:42] <luroh> why? he's booting off a cd that's connected to a supported controller
[20:33:01] <humdinger> l_n: but there's no solution for him unless he connects a hd to the internel controler
[20:33:17] <humdinger> yeah. cd boot should work...
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[20:35:14] <l_n> meh.
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[20:38:15] <bojan> back again :)
[20:38:21] <bojan> OK, I was wrong
[20:38:28] <l_n> about?
[20:38:39] <bojan> whne I try booting, the first 4 icons lid up before the console pops out
[20:38:59] <bojan> I also tried disabling MPS and ACPI, it makes no difference
[20:39:07] <bojan> I tried safe mode
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[20:39:23] <bojan> it still reports no boot partitions
[20:39:41] <bojan> I don't need a HDD for liveCD to boot?
[20:40:01] <humdinger> I wouldn't think so...
[20:40:17] <PulkoMandy> no you don't
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[20:40:47] <bojan> so what could be the problem? :/
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[20:41:20] <luroh> bojan: while you were away, another suggestion popped up, it might be that your CD drive is set to CS or Slave mode
[20:41:44] <bojan> it is set to slave
[20:41:45] <luroh> if that's the case, try to jumper it to Master mode
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[20:42:02] <humdinger> get that screwdriver out... :)
[20:42:15] <bojan> it is set to slaveD
[20:42:23] <Xeon3D> 'afternoon
[20:42:30] <luroh> right, that may be the problem
[20:42:31] <bojan> it already open :D
[20:42:43] <humdinger> evening Xeon3D
[20:42:47] <bojan> ok, I'll try
[20:42:50] <bojan> but I don't thing it could be the solution :/
[20:43:27] <bojan> I'm gone... again :)
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[20:47:12] <CyberKitsune> Is there a WPA/WPA2 ticket?
[20:47:29] <CyberKitsune> Just wondering, as it's becoming hard to track all of the network updates
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[20:47:53] <RQ> hi
[20:48:03] <humdinger> hi RQ
[20:48:20] <humdinger> CyberKitsune: I don't know. There is a search, you know... :)
[20:48:23] <Duggan> hey Xeon3D, RQ
[20:48:26] <PulkoMandy> CyberKitsune: we know it's missing, no need for a ticket
[20:48:47] <Xeon3D> yo Duggan
[20:48:50] <CyberKitsune> It's being worked on really so I dunno
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[20:49:13] <PulkoMandy> yes, it will come
[20:49:18] <Xeon3D> CyberKitsune: has alexd already started working on it ? :X
[20:49:30] <PulkoMandy> but I think when we have it, alpha3 should go out pretty quick
[20:49:31] <CyberKitsune> I don't think so, but he's done a lot
[20:49:46] <CyberKitsune> I don't know, there are so many commits I can't keep trac
[20:49:49] <CyberKitsune> I don't know, there are so many commits I can't keep track*
[20:49:49] <Xeon3D> I know DraX fiddled with wpa2 for a while
[20:49:56] <CyberKitsune> hence, a ticket
[20:50:07] <CyberKitsune> alexd said he would add it
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[20:50:32] <Xeon3D> CyberKitsune: http://dev.haiku-os.org/timeline?from=07%2F24%2F10&daysback=5&authors=&changeset=on&update=Update
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[20:50:37] <Xeon3D> very easy to keep track of revs
[20:50:55] <CyberKitsune> can I single out alex's updates on this list?
[20:51:43] <CyberKitsune> Oh I just did
[20:51:43] <CyberKitsune> http://dev.haiku-os.org/timeline?from=07%2F24%2F10&daysback=5&authors=axeld&changeset=on&update=Update
[20:51:46] <Duggan> "done by"?
[20:52:00] <Duggan> sorry, late as always :)
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[20:52:42] <bojan> guess what... I'm back >/
[20:52:44] <Xeon3D> CyberKitsune:  :D
[20:52:55] <humdinger> nogo bojan?
[20:53:04] <bojan> master settings didn't do the trick
[20:53:09] <bojan> so no-go
[20:53:32] <bojan> still reporting no boot partitions
[20:53:40] <bojan> Live CD is the same as the instalation CD, right?
[20:53:45] <Xeon3D> yes.
[20:54:08] <bojan> so u boot live CD and start the instalation from there?
[20:54:24] <Xeon3D> there is only one CD image which works as a Live or Install CD (You can choose what, after the 7 icons light up)
[20:54:52] <bojan> since I don't get past 4th icon, I really wouldn't know :D
[20:55:09] <luroh> bojan: i wonder if it would boot from CD if you disconnected the hard disks?
[20:55:46] <luroh> i'm thinking perhaps there's something with the HDD or its controller that's preventing the CD from booting
[20:56:00] <bojan> I can try, but I guess that it doesn't even see them, so it probably doesn't make a diiference
[20:56:26] <Xeon3D> that or he burned a bad CD...
[20:56:30] <CyberKitsune> Haiku used to freeze there if it tried to mount my screwed up RAID 0 Array
[20:56:30] <bojan> I'm gonna try that, and then I'm coming back again :D
[20:56:35] <humdinger> bojan: maybe connect the hd to the internel control then. Just for kicks...
[20:56:43] <Xeon3D> oh wait
[20:56:48] <helf> NO
[20:56:49] <bojan> what?
[20:56:52] <helf> huh?
[20:56:52] <Xeon3D> he's got the CD connected to an external controller?
[20:56:58] <helf> good god, ya'll
[20:57:00] <bojan> to thge internla
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[20:57:10] <Xeon3D> helf o/
[20:57:11] <bojan> CD on the internal, hdd on the external
[20:57:13] <helf> :p
[20:57:14] <helf> hi
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[20:57:30] <humdinger> calm down helf. :)
[20:57:30] <bojan> going to try disconnecting the hdd
[20:57:45] <bojan> I'm gone again, it's getting boring...
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[20:58:18] <humdinger> So, what are the odds bojan gets it running? :)
[20:58:48] <humdinger> He's tenacious, I give him that :)
[20:58:58] <Duggan> hehe
[20:59:14] <helf> holy crap
[20:59:14] <helf> http://rendell-attic.org/gol/tm.htm
[20:59:17] <humdinger> Imaging! Having to constantly reboot Windows2000...
[20:59:24] <helf> humdinger, I have unlimited energy
[21:00:02] <helf> its a blessing and a curse
[21:00:26] <humdinger> helf: get in contact with BP. They might be looking for a less problematic energy source.
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[21:06:33] <bojan> no use in disconnecting hdd
[21:06:43] <bojan> so I' back to square 1
[21:06:54] <Duggan> helf thats pretty awesome, maybe even more awesome than http://www.quinapalus.com/wi-index.html
[21:06:54] <luroh> welcome back ;)
[21:07:08] <bojan> can it be a faulty CD even, if it starts booting
[21:07:18] <bojan> @luroh: thank you :)
[21:07:31] <luroh> unlikely, but possible
[21:07:59] <bojan> I know that when this mobo came out, they tried older BeOS on it and it worked
[21:08:13] <luroh> if i were you, i'd start investingating the usb route (usb stick with haiku and plop boot manager)
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[21:13:20] <bojan> ok, I'll try that later
[21:13:22] <bojan> but I have to go now
[21:13:30] <bojan> thank you guys for everything :)
[21:13:38] <bojan> see ya later
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[21:19:40] <Anarchos> jam output : "skipped DebugAnalyzer for lack of <build>mimeset..."
[21:20:05] <PulkoMandy> the error is before that
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[21:21:09] <humdinger> buj-what's his name is rebooting?
[21:22:05] <humdinger> I just tried to down#grade Haiku and had the same non-booting issue...
[21:23:35] <humdinger> was a bad install medium. Or wrongly written image at least.
[21:23:44] <humdinger> I dd'ed to a mounted USB stick.
[21:23:50] <Duggan> hmm
[21:23:53] <Duggan> no  he left
[21:23:57] <humdinger> redid it without mounting the stick. worked.
[21:24:01] <humdinger> too bad
[21:24:08] <Duggan> "bojan"
[21:24:20] <humdinger> Booyakachaa!
[21:24:34] <Duggan> :P
[21:25:19] <humdinger> Let's see what all breaks when I go from ca. r37700 to r37185
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[21:27:56] <Duggan> ?... why not go to r27185? or r23xxx?
[21:28:07] <Anarchos> In file included from ../../../headers/posix/sys/types.h:56 ../../../headers/posix/size_t.h:15: error: redefinition of typedef 'ssize_t'
[21:28:39] <humdinger> I just want to go back to something more stable, not do an archeological expedition.
[21:29:46] <humdinger> Installation complete. Time to reboot.
[21:29:48] <humdinger> brb
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[21:30:19] <PulkoMandy> Anarchos: ah... just remove it from one of them, it should work
[21:30:31] <PulkoMandy> but you need to update your buildtools to fix it properly
[21:31:12] <Anarchos> update my /boot/develop/abi/gcc etc ?
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[21:33:43] <humdinger> works pretty well everything...
[21:34:04] <humdinger> OverlayImage has to be recompiled...
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[22:04:09] <humdinger> Hey... does ALT+OPT+O work for anyone on a link in Tracker to reveal the target folder?
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[22:07:35] <luroh> humdinger: i could check but what's OPT?
[22:07:53] <humdinger> OPTION key == WIN mostly
[22:08:02] <luroh> ok
[22:08:23] <luroh> yes, it does
[22:08:28] <humdinger> Other add-ons work with the shortcut alright.
[22:08:57] <humdinger> hmm... maybe one of the drawbacks of using an older version...
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[22:09:15] <RISC_> hi
[22:09:23] <humdinger> hi RISC_
[22:09:59] <RISC_> http://dpaste.com/221562/
[22:10:09] <helf> Duggan, check this one out
[22:10:09] <helf> http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/User:BaronW
[22:10:11] <RISC_> lastest rev
[22:10:19] <RISC_> 37730
[22:10:19] <helf> digital calculator made in Dwarf Fortress
[22:10:20] <helf> :p
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[22:12:04] <humdinger> RISC_: the build-o-matic machine catches breaks normally.
[22:12:07] <RISC_> any thoughts?
[22:12:17] <humdinger> Maybe wait a bit if it's triggered.
[22:12:32] <humdinger> If it doesn't, try a clean build.
[22:12:55] <luroh> including buildtools, if you're cross-compiling
[22:13:33] <RISC_> i make clean build every time
[22:13:49] <luroh> how?
[22:14:01] <humdinger> RISC_: when did you mke the last build and when did you update the buildtools last?
[22:14:27] <RISC_> my current revision 37412
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[22:14:59] <luroh> ah, you're building from haiku?
[22:15:03] <RISC_> i make new build withing haiku
[22:15:05] <RISC_> yep
[22:15:16] <humdinger> oh. ok.
[22:15:17] <luroh> that might be the problem then...
[22:15:38] <luroh> the development package hasn't been updated yet
[22:16:24] <RISC_> where i can get it?
[22:17:00] <RISC_> I updated gcc2 to gcc-2.95.3-r1a2-x86-gcc2-2010-07-12.zip
[22:17:57] <luroh> i suspect gcc4 is the problem
[22:18:15] <RISC_> I have gcc-4.3.3-r1a2-x86-gcc4-2010-04-25-1.zip
[22:18:52] <luroh> right. unless i'm mistaken, you'd have to build your own gcc4
[22:19:05] <luroh> might be worth shooting an email to the ml
[22:19:06] <RISC_> i make 4/2
[22:19:08] <humdinger> Personally, I think updating your working system with a current build isn't advisable at the moment.
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[22:19:39] <RISC_> with this my ugly script http://devio.us/~risc/apps/hb.zip
[22:19:41] <RISC_> ;-D
[22:19:43] <Anarchos> humdinger why ?
[22:20:24] <humdinger> For me the system is quite unstable. KDLs, crashing app_server and navigating a ext3 partition crashes Tracker.
[22:21:01] <Duggan> so I've got this form... and on this form I have a button, and when you click this button its supposed to process some stuff and close the form...
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[22:21:26] <Duggan> so when you click the button it does a PostMessage(new Message(B_QUIT_REQUESTED));...
[22:21:35] <RISC_> humdinger what's you rev. ?
[22:21:58] <Duggan> but my attempt to handle a B_QUIT_REQUESTED isn't handled...
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[22:22:22] <humdinger> I just downgraded to r37184, since Stippi mentioned there abouts it's stable for him.
[22:22:29] <Duggan> what am I doing wrong this time?
[22:22:34] <humdinger> I used to be at ca. r37700
[22:22:56] <RISC_> my current rev. stable too for me
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[22:23:10] <RISC_> then, i better wait for gcc 4.4.4 and other fixes. ;)
[22:23:11] <Duggan> r37607 is good for me
[22:23:13] <RISC_> thanks
[22:24:01] <Duggan> anyone care to take a stab at what I'm doing wrong? :/
[22:24:08] <PulkoMandy> RISC_: you can just comment the no_error thing to pass over this
[22:24:40] <PulkoMandy> Duggan: maybe I was wrong with this message, did you try printing what you get ?
[22:25:01] <Duggan> I'm using printf's where I expect code to be executed and its not happening
[22:25:15] <PulkoMandy> in your messagereceived loop do something like printf("message received : %.4s\n", message->what);
[22:25:30] <PulkoMandy> so youcan see which messages you actually get
[22:25:34] <RISC_> PulkoMandy already deleted all objects ;)
[22:25:35] <humdinger> Duggan: I'm a total newbie, but would a "be_app->PostMessage(B_QUIT_REQUESTED);" work instead.
[22:26:34] <humdinger> At least that what I do in the MessageReceived() of a window
[22:26:37] <RISC_> humdinger but you make great app QuickLaunch ;)
[22:26:38] <Duggan> humdinger I'm not trying to quit the app, just the current window
[22:26:58] <Duggan> PulkoMandy crashed my program lol
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[22:27:08] <PulkoMandy> mh
[22:27:08] <humdinger> ic.
[22:27:17] <Duggan> PulkoMandy whats the fancy .4 do?
[22:27:28] <PulkoMandy> I'm not sure it's the right syntax
[22:27:33] <Duggan> oh ok hehe
[22:27:34] <humdinger> RISC_: thanks. it's more a working mess, I guess. :)
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[22:27:42] <PulkoMandy> basically the what field in the message is an int
[22:27:53] <PulkoMandy> but it holds a code made with 4 chars
[22:28:06] <PulkoMandy> like '_QIT' for B_QUIT_REQUESTED
[22:28:19] <Anarchos> humdinger you'd rather do that in the QuitRequested method of a BWindow
[22:28:23] <PulkoMandy> but that's not a null-terminated string, so you want to print only 4 chars
[22:28:24] <Duggan> ahhh
[22:28:30] <PulkoMandy> and not whatever ram there is after it
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[22:29:21] * cpr420 usually uses PrintToStream
[22:29:55] <PulkoMandy> yes, that would be simpler :)
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[22:34:03] <Duggan> is that a global function?...
[22:34:08] <PulkoMandy> no
[22:34:18] <PulkoMandy> message->PrintToStream()
[22:34:23] <Duggan> ahhhh
[22:34:26] <Duggan> danke :)
[22:35:09] <RISC_> http://s47.radikal.ru/i117/1007/77/35e4856a9c91.png
[22:35:20] <Duggan> yeah its not processing the B_QUIT_REQUESTED
[22:35:29] <humdinger> VinDuv: Are you there?
[22:35:35] <Duggan> but the window does close :/
[22:35:46] <Duggan> should I be calling Quit() instead?
[22:35:59] <Duggan> because i thought Quit() was the actual function that destroyed the window
[22:37:00] <cpr420> sounds like your sending the message to the windows instead of the app
[22:37:04] <Duggan> nope thats not it either..
[22:37:06] <Xeon3D> RISC_: That should be Gnu C Compiler ... :P
[22:37:17] <Xeon3D> afaik
[22:37:21] <Duggan> cpr420 I want it to go to the window, I just want to close that one window, not the whole app
[22:37:54] <RISC_> why?
[22:38:05] <RISC_> gcc it's not only c and C++
[22:38:21] <Duggan> but I want to do some processing first and I want it to do that processing regardless of how they close the window (either by clicking the button or closing the window with the box on the tab)
[22:38:41] <RISC_> Xeon3D http://gcc.gnu.org/
[22:39:06] <RISC_> ada fortran java
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[22:39:34] <Duggan> and neither calling PostMessage(new BMessage(B_QUIT_REQUESTED)); nor Quit(); send a message that is handled by the window's MessageReceived() before it closes the window
[22:40:24] <cpr420> You'll probably want to do that extra processing inside QuitRequested()
[22:41:01] <Duggan> where does that function reside? (so I can look it up)
[22:41:14] <cpr420> It's inherited from BLooper
[22:41:33] <cpr420> it's a virtual so just override and the call the parent when you're done
[22:41:47] <cpr420> s/parent/super/
[22:42:13] <Duggan> ah ok thank you
[22:44:01] <RISC_> see are, thanks all.
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[22:46:02] <Duggan> bingo, thanks cpr420 :)
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[22:59:44] <Xeon3D> brb
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[23:04:47] <Anarchos> Is phoudoin around ?
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[23:26:44] <gluon> QuickLaunch!? I was wondering how to start apps in the same fashion of 'run...' or gnome's F2
[23:27:24] <gluon> I guess I found the right tool
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[23:28:52] <RQ> gluon: hey
[23:29:03] <RQ> have you done anything about the workspace switcher app?
[23:29:55] <gluon> I had to finish a website the last couple of days but I'll try to do something now
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[23:33:11] <gluon> and I'm still an ultra newbi in the Haiku API :\
[23:33:50] <gluon> newbie*
[23:34:31] <gluon> besides, I'm spoiled by python
[23:34:44] <gluon> too many years away from C++ :(
[23:36:09] <Anarchos> Does ranlib strips the symbols ?
[23:37:41] <RQ> really?
[23:37:51] <RQ> gluon: wow, I could use your help then
[23:38:05] <RQ> for Haiku-related stuff ;)
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[23:38:53] <cpr420> Anarchos: no
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