July 23, 2010 
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July 23, 2010 [00:04:18] *** srbaker has joined #haiku[00:04:20] <srbaker> hey folks[00:04:26] <srbaker> i'm having some trouble instlaling emacs[00:04:35] <srbaker> it's trying to put a .desktop file in /usr/local/share/applications/[00:04:37] <srbaker> and can't[00:04:42] <srbaker> when i try to 'touch foo' in that dir, i get:[00:04:58] <srbaker> touch: setting times of `foo': No such file or directory[00:04:58] <srbaker> ?[00:05:13] <mmu_screen> srbaker: there is no /usr in Haiku[00:05:25] <srbaker> it's there[00:05:26] *** Sir_Konrad has joined #haiku[00:05:30] <mmu_screen> the install target likely creates the folder recursively in rootfs[00:05:36] <srbaker> ohhhh[00:05:38] <mmu_screen> no it wasn't here before[00:05:46] <mmu_screen> but rootfs doesn't allow creating regular files[00:05:49] <mmu_screen> it's a virtual fs[00:05:52] <srbaker> makes sense[00:06:06] <srbaker> so how are people installing emacs?[00:06:11] <mmu_screen> you really want to configure --prefix=/boot/common or something alike[00:06:13] <srbaker> cpr420: any thoughts?[00:06:17] <srbaker> ahh, okay[00:06:24] <cpr420> yeah, change the prefix[00:06:39] <srbaker> cpr420: what prefix should i use? /boot/common? otherwise?[00:07:06] <cpr420> /boot/common is the standard place, I configure mine for /boot/common/emacs and then adjust my $PATH[00:07:14] <srbaker> okay[00:07:17] <srbaker> thx[00:07:33] <mmu_screen> emacs sux anyway, XEmacs rox :p[00:07:37] <mmu_screen> still have to finish the port[00:07:39] <srbaker> haha[00:07:44] <mmu_screen> gui port that is[00:07:53] <srbaker> yeah, i'm hoping to do gui port of gnu emacs[00:07:53] *** Shisui has quit IRC[00:07:54] <prizm> xemacs is a pretty cool text editor eh has a gui and doesn't afaraid of anything[00:08:59] <mmu_screen> didn't someone already started looking at it ?[00:09:05] <mmu_screen> IIRC someone asked here[00:09:08] *** Shisui has joined #haiku[00:09:16] <srbaker> mmu_screen: i asked the other day, but it's possible i'm not the first one to be intertested in it[00:09:39] <cpr420> DraX wants it but I don't think he's looked into it very hard[00:09:58] <cpr420> I think l_n said something about it as well[00:12:07] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[00:14:19] *** kmargar has joined #haiku[00:14:39] *** markos_ has quit IRC[00:15:41] <srbaker> who is baron?[00:15:46] <srbaker> echo $USER gives "baron"[00:15:51] <srbaker> where did that come from?[00:15:59] <cpr420> it's from BeOS[00:16:43] <cpr420> I think the newer builds use "user"[00:19:20] <srbaker> ah.[00:19:26] <srbaker> i'm getting a lot of:[00:19:30] <srbaker> chown: invalid user: "baron"[00:19:33] <srbaker> from emacs' make install[00:19:45] <cpr420> yeah, that bug was fixed[00:19:57] <srbaker> okay. maybe i should rebuild my system then[00:20:00] <cpr420> it was due to $USER being different from what the passwd file says[00:21:45] <knut_> Maybe that's because there's no multiuser support in Haiku yet[00:21:57] *** LinuxKeitaro has joined #haiku[00:22:35] *** prizm has quit IRC[00:24:52] *** largo has joined #haiku[00:25:41] *** Xeon3D has quit IRC[00:25:46] *** Xeon3D has joined #haiku[00:25:46] *** Xeon3D has joined #haiku[00:27:47] *** brobostigon has quit IRC[00:30:05] <srbaker> heh[00:30:08] <srbaker> i need make world install[00:36:39] *** Toekutr has joined #haiku[00:40:14] *** Ziusudra has quit IRC[00:41:26] *** DocPheniX has quit IRC[00:41:50] *** DocPheniX has joined #haiku[00:44:47] <l_n> srbaker: bsd?[00:44:54] <srbaker> heh, yeah[00:47:24] <l_n> one reason bsd>linux : http://freebsd-image-gallery.netcode.pl/_daemonette/000204-004.jpg[00:47:35] <l_n> and another: http://freebsd-image-gallery.netcode.pl/_daemonette/111143969_35533831ab.jpg[00:49:10] * l_n goes back to trying to figure out the libtransmission api[00:49:37] <srbaker> hahah[00:52:13] *** Nozy has joined #haiku[00:55:58] <l_n> nice. transmission.h has documentation comments. :)[00:56:33] <gordonjcp> l_n: ah yes, Ceren...[01:00:49] *** l_n has quit IRC[01:05:09] *** Sir_Konrad has quit IRC[01:06:52] *** Sir_Konrad has joined #haiku[01:11:27] <Xeon3D> yo o/[01:11:45] *** oZ] has quit IRC[01:14:11] <luroh> grejt[01:14:21] <luroh> sorry, wrong window....[01:14:42] * luroh blames ubuntu's notification system[01:15:16] * Xeon3D blames luroh using jewbuntu[01:15:46] *** veve-mao has joined #haiku[01:16:06] *** veve-mao has quit IRC[01:17:22] * cpr420 thinks that was not appropriate[01:18:23] *** Sir_Konrad has quit IRC[01:19:00] *** Sir_Konrad has joined #haiku[01:25:31] *** Nozy has quit IRC[01:28:43] *** toni_ has joined #haiku[01:31:49] *** acous has joined #haiku[01:37:46] *** elliottcable is now known as `[01:38:16] *** ` is now known as Guest90853[01:38:22] *** Guest90853 is now known as elliottcable[01:38:26] <Xeon3D> cpr420: I kid.[01:43:16] *** l_n has joined #haiku[01:46:27] <l_n> web+ still doesn't translate ü correctly in url's...[01:48:02] <l_n> actually, i think it's wiktionary[01:48:51] *** Disreali has quit IRC[01:49:19] <l_n> n/m. wikipedia fails too[01:49:44] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[01:52:05] *** AlexFera has quit IRC[01:52:28] <l_n> ugh. is it 'zurück' or 'zuruck'?[01:52:44] <l_n> google translates them both the same way and wiktionary doesn't like ü[01:53:23] <luroh> it's 'zurück'[01:56:16] <l_n> danke[01:56:42] <srbaker> hrm. i need a bottle of scotch.[01:57:20] <l_n> i need google to not translate 'rück', 'zuruck', and 'zurück' exactly the same way[01:57:42] <l_n> stupid translation program.[01:58:05] <l_n> srbaker: what's driving you to drink[01:58:11] <srbaker> nothing.[01:58:12] <srbaker> i'm out of scotch[01:58:16] <srbaker> tha'ts the only reason i need more[02:01:30] *** Nozy has joined #haiku[02:15:17] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[02:17:41] *** Duggan has joined #haiku[02:35:54] *** jmelesky has quit IRC[02:36:50] *** oco has quit IRC[02:50:45] <Duggan> hey guys, what do I have to link against to #include <sstream>?[02:52:35] <l_n> should just be -lroot[02:52:48] <l_n> which the linker should do itself, IIRC[02:53:00] <cpr420> sstream is stdc++[02:53:25] <Duggan> well I'm getting linker errors if I include it :/[02:53:55] <l_n> meh. i was just going by a query. it found sstream in /boot/develop/abi/x86/gcc2/headers/cpp/[02:54:08] <l_n> hrm.. which the cpp suggests libstdc++ :P[02:54:22] <Duggan> undefined reference to __out_of_range(const char *)[02:54:24] * l_n goes back to reading about static v. shared libs[02:55:17] <Duggan> and __length_error(const char *)[03:17:35] *** dru345 has joined #haiku[03:18:14] <dru345> hi all o/[03:19:32] *** dru345haiku has joined #haiku[03:25:49] <l_n> dru345: guten abend. :)[03:26:04] <dru345> hi l_n[03:27:16] <l_n> it seems that libtransmission is *not* built as a .so file.. i could rewrite the makefile to fix that.. but i may just continue to study the api and statically link it..[03:27:20] * jmayfield_ puts on some king crimson[03:27:46] * l_n replaces the king crimson with meshuggah.[03:28:24] <Duggan> hey dru345[03:28:25] <jmayfield_> um.. stop it![03:28:26] <jmayfield_>[03:28:28] <jmayfield_> heh[03:28:38] <l_n> "bleed" is a great song, though.[03:28:50] <l_n> (it took their drummer 6 weeks to learn to play it live)[03:28:57] <jmayfield_> i dont need any agnsty scandinavian tunes[03:29:04] * Duggan keeps on listening to Iron Maiden.[03:29:15] <l_n> Duggan: which album/song?[03:29:41] <Duggan> right now Man on the Edge from the Essential Iron Maiden 2 disk set[03:29:52] <jmayfield_> i always forget people listen to metal[03:30:35] <Duggan> well, I was, my gf just called[03:31:13] <jmayfield_> lemme rephrase.. i always forget people older than 14 listen to metal.. :-p[03:32:15] <jmayfield_> hehe[03:32:54] <Duggan> decided to switch it to Machinae Supremacy[03:33:30] <surrounder> Duggan++[03:33:38] <Duggan> hehe[03:33:43] <surrounder> gotta love machinae supremacy[03:33:52] <Duggan> yeah they're awesome[03:34:15] <Duggan> I haven't heard much of their commercial stuff but I have to admit I think I like their free stuff better :/[03:34:25] <Duggan> listening to Fury 2007 atm[03:34:32] <surrounder> hmmm[03:34:54] <surrounder> I like the commercial version of attack music quite a lot more then the free version[03:34:57] <surrounder> ah well[03:35:08] <Duggan> don't think I've heard it yet, I'll look it up[03:35:21] <jmayfield_> just to make sure... yuo guys arent joking about all this metal stuff, are you?[03:35:23] <surrounder> they also have a lot of new (better sounding) stuff online[03:35:31] <Duggan> and I don't think they gave Supremacy justice when they covered it in Sidology ep2[03:35:37] <Duggan> jmayfield_ no[03:35:38] <surrounder> jmayfield_: I don't[03:35:58] <Duggan> surrounder free stuff? I haven't checked in a couple months[03:36:16] <surrounder> ah well... new... :P[03:36:22] <Duggan> lol ok[03:36:29] <surrounder> I think "through the looking glass" is free[03:36:46] <Duggan> I check out some of their commercial stuff on youtube from time to time... haven't budgeted the money to fork over to buy any albums yet, though one of these days I'm going to[03:37:29] *** knut_ has quit IRC[03:40:29] * l_n has been a metalhead for 20 yrs now :P[03:41:04] * cpr420 still listens to Pantera/Ministry/Zombie/etc....[03:41:12] <l_n> i've really been into Tyr, Ensiferum, Einherjer, Eluveitie, etc. lately[03:41:33] <l_n> and of course, Korpiklaani[03:41:47] * l_n starts belting out "Happy Little Boozer"[03:42:58] <Duggan> sweet... level 9 shield :)[03:43:12] *** JoeyA has joined #haiku[03:43:32] <l_n> idlerpg, eh?[03:43:36] <Duggan> yep :P[03:45:45] *** toni_ has quit IRC[03:46:27] <Duggan> its the next best thing since Progress Quest hasn't been ported yet :P[03:46:32] <jmayfield_> king crimson now yields to gong :-p[03:46:45] <ragcsi> now that you talk about metal, just out of curiousity, does anyone here listen to trance? or like any electronic music?[03:47:05] <l_n> Progress Quest?[03:47:06] <Duggan> trance? no... electronic music? define electronic music :P[03:47:24] <l_n> Duggan: electronic drums in death/progressive metal?[03:47:30] <Duggan> l_n yeah its an rpg that doesn't encumber the user with fancy graphics or complex controls[03:47:46] <l_n> to achieve even more ridiculously complex heaviness in music.[03:48:05] <Duggan> http://progressquest.com/[03:48:24] <Duggan> l_n I don't do electronic drums :P[03:48:52] <Duggan> Machinae Supremacy is SID Metal... so I guess you could kind of consider that electronic music.... just not the kind that most people think of :P[03:49:06] <l_n> SID Metal?[03:49:07] *** kurain has joined #haiku[03:49:09] <Duggan> yep[03:49:13] * l_n hasn't heard of that subgenre[03:49:14] <kurain> hello all[03:49:15] <Duggan> they incorporate SID music into their songs[03:49:20] <Duggan> hey kurain[03:49:20] <jmayfield_> i listen to electronic music.. kraftwerk, harmonia, neu!, tangerine dream (older stuff), cluster, etc.. i also have a soft spot for older (pre 90's) front 242[03:49:31] <ragcsi> Duggan: electronic music as in house, techno, breakbeat..you know[03:49:47] <ragcsi> whatever people usually consider electronic music[03:49:53] <Duggan> ragcsi ok no. I don't touch that stuff, sorry[03:50:11] <jmayfield_> electronic dance music irritates me, for the most part[03:50:23] <Duggan> oh wait theres an online version of PQ....[03:50:42] <jmayfield_> i absolutely LOVE stuff like Harmonia though[03:50:49] <jmayfield_> and old kraftwerk[03:51:01] <l_n> jmayfield_: you ever listen to einsturzende neubauten?[03:51:07] <cpr420> KRAFTWERK![03:51:12] <jmayfield_> really, the whoel "krautrock" scene of the 70s was fascinating[03:51:22] <jmayfield_> l_n, of course[03:51:42] <l_n> or frontline assembly[03:51:54] <jmayfield_> i cannot stand fla[03:52:04] <jmayfield_> skinny puppy, however, i do like[03:52:07] <l_n> :wumpscut:[03:52:17] <Duggan> neubauten is pretty cool[03:52:20] *** Disreali_ has joined #haiku[03:52:29] <Duggan> hey Disreali[03:52:30] <l_n> (hint: don't listen to :wumpscut: while taking hallucinogens. things get weird.)[03:52:34] <jmayfield_> old neubauten, they got all 'accessible' and annoying[03:52:55] *** knut_ has joined #haiku[03:53:08] <jmayfield_> oh, and cabaret voltaire did some good stuff over the years[03:53:34] <Duggan> btw l_n my name for IRPG came from PQ... Tragcrox is the name of my Talking Pony Bastard Lunatic[03:53:39] *** Disreali has quit IRC[03:53:46] *** Disreali_ is now known as Disreali[03:54:33] *** Toekutr has quit IRC[03:54:38] <Duggan> lol now thats funny.... playing PQ on a website and the page looks like an XP desktop[03:56:17] <Duggan> I think I'll be a demicanadian...[03:58:20] *** Nozy has quit IRC[03:59:25] *** toni_ has joined #haiku[03:59:47] *** Sir_Konrad has quit IRC[04:00:30] <l_n> Duggan: it's idlerpg with pictures :P[04:01:03] <Duggan> there's pictures? :O[04:01:27] <l_n> well, the char sheet and the progress bars.. and the descriptive texts :P[04:01:37] <Duggan> lol[04:02:07] <l_n> i ended up a skraeling robot-monk[04:02:16] <Duggan> lol[04:02:47] <Duggan> I'm a demicanadian battle-felon[04:05:14] <l_n> ugh.. now i'm not studying transmissionbt...[04:05:23] <l_n> thanks a lot... *rolls eyes*[04:06:00] <mmadia> btw, did you check out the bep files from haikuports, l_n?[04:06:08] <l_n> for?[04:06:15] <mmadia> how to build transmission.[04:06:16] *** Disreali_ has joined #haiku[04:07:00] <l_n> i've already built a working 2.03[04:08:07] <l_n> :)[04:08:34] *** Disreali has quit IRC[04:08:42] *** Disreali_ is now known as Disreali[04:10:51] *** toni_ has quit IRC[04:22:50] *** toni_ has joined #haiku[04:31:36] <l_n> okay.. what documentation system uses stuff like @addtogroup @code @{ etc[04:33:33] <l_n> n/m[04:41:04] *** cpr420 has quit IRC[04:41:04] <dru345> is there a reason new folders 1-9 have a space between "New Folder" & the # but 10+ don't? in the code (FSUtil.cpp, FSCreateNewFolderIn) it's specifically an if/else but that's the rationale for dropping the space?[04:41:04] <dru345> what's*[04:41:04] <Duggan> ordering?[04:41:04] <l_n> maintaining the same char count so it looks better?[04:41:04] * l_n likes things to be the same width.[04:41:04] <l_n> (names of folders and such)[04:41:04] <Duggan> if the space comes before 0 (which it does in ascii) it keeps New Folder 1 before New Folder10[04:41:09] <dru345> ah... it's a half-assed way of doing 'natural' ordering[04:41:11] <Duggan> and New Folder 2 before New Folder 10[04:41:15] <Duggan> er New Folder10[04:41:29] <l_n> interesting trick[04:41:48] *** cpr420 has joined #haiku[04:41:51] <dru345> well it sucks :P[04:41:55] * l_n thinks the touchpad preflet needs a auto-disable while typing option[04:42:00] <dru345> it should've been done *correctly*[04:42:02] <l_n> an*[04:42:08] <Duggan> l_n good idea :/[04:42:16] <l_n> i keep palming my touchpad.[04:42:25] <Duggan> me too and it sucks[04:42:29] <l_n> which activates random windows and/or sections of windows.[04:42:34] <Duggan> dru345 what then is the "correct" way?[04:42:43] <l_n> a sorting algorithm.[04:42:48] <Duggan> the only other way is to include leading 0's[04:42:54] <l_n> that knows the difference between 01 and 10[04:42:55] <dru345> what l_n said[04:43:00] <Duggan> l_n there's already a sorting algorithm lol[04:43:28] <l_n> ugh. picas is evil.[04:43:39] <Duggan> it already knows the difference between 01 and 10, the problem is the leading 0's aren't included[04:43:59] <dru345> Duggan but it doesn't take much to have special case for 1-9 :P[04:44:04] <dru345> 0's or not[04:44:55] <l_n> i fucking *hate* ice crunching. most awful noise on the planet.[04:45:06] <dru345> lol i just finished chewing a glass of ice[04:45:11] <l_n> it's almost as bad as someone eating popcorn.[04:45:38] <l_n> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pica_(disorder)[04:47:14] <Duggan> dru345 but it would take that much more to make the algorithm competent enough to do so regardless of numeric length[04:47:37] <dru345> so? it would be the right thing to do :P[04:48:07] <Duggan> go for it ;)[04:48:13] <dru345> it's not like users aren't going to be pissed off that Tracker doesn't do it already :P[04:48:22] <l_n> well, if the number is treated as part of a string, you could compare from right-to-left instead of left-to-right and always be in the correct order...[04:48:26] <dru345> so doing it this way for New Folder is lazy[04:48:46] <l_n> but, you would lose efficiency[04:48:49] <Duggan> l_n except you'd have to cut it apart for left to right ordered languages[04:49:13] <l_n> meh. they're weird, anyways. :P (j/k)[04:49:16] <dru345> :D[04:49:26] <Duggan> not to mention what if a set of files is named "xxx###xxx###"[04:49:28] <dru345> i'm surprised chewing ice is considered pica[04:49:36] <dru345> i find it enjoyable[04:49:46] <Duggan> or even "xxx###xxx"? "pic1.jpg" is a good example[04:49:52] <dru345> it's crunch and no calorie :P[04:49:54] <Duggan> I hate ice :/[04:50:00] <Duggan> dru345 so are nails XD[04:50:00] <dru345> plus I need the water anyway[04:50:04] <dru345> lol dru345[04:50:10] <dru345> err[04:50:13] <Duggan> rofl[04:50:14] <dru345> lol Duggan :P[04:50:32] *** toni_ has quit IRC[04:50:56] <dru345> my grandmother used to chew ice so i did it as a kid too. i didn't know when i started that she had dentures. :P[04:51:17] <dru345> but like i said, i enjoy it. it's relaxing :P[04:53:24] <l_n> hrm. alt-w does not close a tab in Terminal like it does in web+. it closes the entire terminal.[04:53:29] <l_n> damnit.[04:53:57] <dru345> sounds like a bug. report it :)[04:53:59] <mmadia> jackburton's been working on a ticket for that recently.[04:54:09] <dru345> hi mmadia[04:54:31] * mmadia nods[04:54:37] *** acous has quit IRC[04:54:45] <l_n> so no need to file that, eh, mmadia?[04:55:07] <mmadia> no, some jerk already filed the ticket some months ago.[04:55:46] <Duggan> some jerk? lol[04:55:51] <Duggan> remind me never to file another ticket :P[04:55:55] <mmadia> http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/3745[04:56:07] <mmadia> there's the jerk's ticket.[04:56:25] <Duggan> ah, well if its him then yeah I understand...[04:56:31] <mmadia> :P[04:56:45] <Duggan> I however wasn't aware that terminal was tabbed....[04:56:49] <Duggan> if only I had known that sooner...[04:57:41] *** neena has joined #haiku[04:58:50] <Duggan> hey l_n still playing PQ?[04:59:47] <l_n> i think so[04:59:55] <l_n> it's on workspace 2[04:59:58] <l_n> vision is on 1[05:00:08] <Duggan> oh ok hehe[05:00:25] <l_n> yep. still running[05:02:38] <Duggan> my shield is a +1 pie plate :/[05:03:13] <l_n> mine's a -1 Buckler[05:03:16] <dru345> lol pie plate[05:04:37] <Duggan> dru345 you can play too you know, its pretty fun ;)[05:05:27] <l_n> why would you go through all of the trouble to add doxygen documentation tags to a header and *not* include a Doxyfile with the source tarball?[05:05:29] <dru345> my idea of fun is playing in Tracker code or chewing ice cubes :P[05:05:59] <dru345> l_n because doxyfiles for a proj can be huge? :P[05:06:57] <l_n> well, being able to generate the docs that the tags would generate would make learning transmission's API's much easier than reading the header files one by one...[05:07:47] <Duggan> dru345 just try it ;) http://progressquest.com[05:07:54] <l_n> wow.. english sentences can get unnecessarily complex..[05:07:59] * l_n shrugs.[05:10:10] <jmayfield_> eventually i will have been going to be hungry[05:10:42] <Duggan> erm this is scary...[05:11:18] <Duggan> a quote re: PQ... "I haven't stared at my monitor this long since I last ran defrag. It's almost hypnotic.".... the funny thing is, thats actually TRUE for me...[05:13:57] <l_n> heh. i found the svn version of libt.dox on their trac.[05:19:44] <l_n> crap.. transmission is still running, but i can't get to it because the terminal controlling it died.[05:23:15] *** neena has quit IRC[05:24:10] <Duggan> l_n are you not logged into IRPG?[05:25:02] <Duggan> just checking lol[05:25:10] <l_n> i forgot to when i booted up after turning off my computer[05:25:46] <Duggan> np, didn't know what your character name was, was trying to look at your info but couldn't find it[05:25:46] <l_n> asshat was the most amusing thing i could come up with for a class at the time.. could probably come up with better, but...meh.[05:26:24] <l_n> well, it's 23:30 and i need to attempt to be at work early tomorrow.. gn8.[05:28:03] <Duggan> l8r l_n[05:28:11] <Duggan> can't find your name on the list :/[05:28:45] <l_n> i use newdlebot[05:29:45] <Duggan> gotcha[05:29:48] <Duggan> I'm on oldlebot[05:35:59] *** echelog has joined #haiku[05:36:00] -zelazny.freenode.net- [freenode-info] if you're at a conference and other people are having trouble connecting, please mention it to staff: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp[05:55:23] *** matthias9 has quit IRC[05:57:12] *** matthias9 has joined #haiku[06:00:37] <Disreali> OMG! SALT is such a good action movie[06:07:22] *** echelog has joined #haiku[06:09:25] *** symptom has joined #haiku[06:16:03] *** Ziusudra has joined #haiku[06:25:44] *** Ziusudra has quit IRC[06:28:46] *** kurain has joined #haiku[06:37:36] *** Ziusudra has joined #haiku[06:38:18] *** dru345haiku has quit IRC[06:41:30] *** JoeyA has quit IRC[06:43:05] *** knut_ has quit IRC[06:44:07] *** knut_ has joined #haiku[06:51:26] *** Disreali has quit IRC[07:03:17] *** Leon9 has quit IRC[07:05:25] *** Leon9 has joined #haiku[07:07:33] *** LinuxKeitaro has quit IRC[07:09:51] *** marowit has quit IRC[07:10:50] *** marowit has joined #haiku[07:12:39] *** LinuxKeitaro has joined #haiku[07:15:24] *** Leon9 has quit IRC[07:19:15] *** Leon9 has joined #haiku[07:26:14] *** Leon9 has quit IRC[07:40:39] *** RQ has joined #haiku[07:42:53] *** mmadia has quit IRC[07:51:11] *** cpr420 has quit IRC[08:07:44] *** jmayfield__ has joined #haiku[08:09:28] *** symptom has quit IRC[08:10:54] *** jamy has joined #haiku[08:11:20] *** jmayfield_ has quit IRC[08:15:57] *** ali3n0 has joined #haiku[08:16:00] <ali3n0> hi folks[08:19:06] <Ziusudra> hi ali3n0[08:19:29] <ali3n0> friday finally...[08:19:48] <ali3n0> hope to find some hour to play around on haiku this weekend[08:23:49] *** jamy has quit IRC[08:23:57] *** Ziusudra has quit IRC[08:25:21] *** jamy has joined #haiku[08:29:33] *** Ziusudra has joined #haiku[08:29:58] <RQ> hi[08:30:09] <RQ> what does "Show application expander" change?[08:30:33] <RQ> in deskbar prefs[08:31:26] <Ziusudra> it adds an arrow to each Applications Deskbar entry, click it to show entries for the windows[08:33:29] *** pfoetchen has quit IRC[08:34:42] <ali3n0> RQ just if you've the deskbar displayed vertically, otherwise you wont' see any difference[08:35:49] <RQ> ah[08:36:31] <RQ> ali3n0 it doesn't seem like that arrow would change anything[08:36:33] <RQ> or does it?[08:36:43] <RQ> oh, now I see[08:37:38] <RQ> hm, useless option IMHO. those arrows could just be always on.[08:37:48] <ali3n0> I've just read about it yesterday actually: http://www.haiku-os.org/docs/userguide/en/deskbar.html#list-of-apps[08:37:54] <RQ> hehe[08:39:11] <RQ> ali3n0 that makes me lucky cause I only asked today :)[08:39:52] <ali3n0> eheh. Usually here they talk more about coding and low level stuff, so yeah, I guess you're lucky today :)[08:45:49] *** sprma has joined #haiku[08:49:02] *** jmayfield__ has quit IRC[09:06:46] *** DocPheniX has quit IRC[09:07:12] *** DocPheniX has joined #haiku[09:08:13] *** RQ has quit IRC[09:14:12] *** impy has quit IRC[09:14:13] *** AlonzoTG has quit IRC[09:14:14] <srbaker> agree. we can simplify things by turning the arrows always on, and removing the two related check boxes[09:16:35] <dru345> i don't like the arrows at all.[09:17:35] <srbaker> okay, then turn them always off. either way, i think having a default and no option is better than having the option[09:29:53] *** doc_ has joined #haiku[09:30:44] *** stargater has joined #haiku[09:30:47] <stargater> moin[09:30:59] *** DocPheniX has quit IRC[09:31:15] *** doc_ is now known as DocPheniX[09:36:56] *** RQ has joined #haiku[09:51:58] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[10:13:57] <RQ> PulkoMandy: hi[10:14:28] <RQ> is it possible in our keymaps to produce more than one unicode codepoint with a single keystroke?[10:14:33] <stargater> hi PulkoMandy[10:14:59] *** stargater has quit IRC[10:15:21] <PulkoMandy> RQ: I don't think so[10:15:31] <PulkoMandy> (hi everyone :))[10:15:53] <RQ> hm, not good... :P[10:16:10] *** kitallis has joined #haiku[10:16:41] *** CyberKitsune has quit IRC[10:17:47] <kurain> hey pulkomandy[10:19:50] <RQ> PulkoMandy: by the way, do you have any other contacts of Algirdas Buckus than IM?[10:22:25] <CIA-37> stippi * r37705 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/media/plugins/ffmpeg/AVFormatReader.cpp:[10:22:25] <CIA-37> Patch by Adek336: Improve debug output in AVFormatReader for the codec id[10:22:25] <CIA-37> returned by libavformat. Style fix by myself.[10:22:55] <PulkoMandy> Looks like I have a mail address[10:23:51] *** CK|iPod has joined #haiku[10:24:09] <RQ> great[10:24:16] <RQ> I guess i'll ping him by email[10:24:17] <CIA-37> stippi * r37706 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/media/plugins/ffmpeg/CodecTable.cpp:[10:24:17] <CIA-37> Patch by Adek336: Support one more H264 fourcc in B_QUICKTIME_FORMAT_FAMILY.[10:24:17] <CIA-37> Allows playback of H264 content in Flash container (probably among others).[10:24:17] <CIA-37> Thanks! Closes #6372.[10:25:17] <RQ> by the way, regarding a mailing list: actually, we already have one where quite a lot of Lithuanian localisers are subscribed[10:27:02] *** smooki has joined #haiku[10:27:20] <smooki> hi, what virtual machine program is the best for hikau ? sunbox ?[10:27:30] <smooki> vmware ?[10:27:54] <RQ> smooki: I run it on virtualbox, and it works[10:27:59] <smooki> ok[10:28:24] <RQ> but vmware option looks atractive too, because there's a port of vmware tools for haiku[10:28:34] <RQ> I haven't tried it though[10:28:46] <smooki> ho[10:28:56] <smooki> vmware support haiku ?[10:29:04] <smooki> well[10:29:06] <RQ> i guess not[10:29:22] <smooki> tools come from third part then ?[10:29:26] <RQ> yes[10:29:47] <smooki> where can I get this ? haikuware I gess[10:29:55] <smooki> thanks RQ[10:30:13] <RQ> I haven't tried them... maybe they would work inside VirtualBox too...[10:30:20] <smooki> nice: auto expanding virtual drive ![10:32:42] <mmu_screen> RQ: don't think so[10:32:50] <mmu_screen> VB has its own API[10:33:00] <smooki> I'll use vmware then[10:34:16] *** kitallis has quit IRC[10:36:07] <RQ> Is there an app for Haiku that would allow changing workspaces (or at least display the number of current one) from within the deskbar?[10:36:27] <RQ> I had one on Zeta, but it doesn't work in Haiku for me.[10:39:32] <smooki> RQ as far as I remember, it's on prefs[10:39:55] *** GedMurphy has joined #haiku[10:40:11] <RQ> is it?[10:40:24] <smooki> well in beos it was there[10:40:54] <smooki> but from the deskbar maybe not sorry[10:41:03] <smooki> in apps maybe ?[10:41:37] <PulkoMandy> I don't remember seeing that[10:41:48] *** The123king has joined #haiku[10:41:48] *** The123king has joined #haiku[10:41:56] <PulkoMandy> just put the workspace replicant on your desktop :)[10:42:06] <The123king> Hola[10:42:39] <smooki> PulkoMandy : that's it[10:42:40] <smooki> :)[10:42:47] <smooki> The123king: bonjour[10:43:42] <RQ> PulkoMandy: I already have it on my desktop, but it's not as convenient as having it inside the Deskbar[10:44:07] <RQ> here: http://pics.rq.lt/showimg.php?file=/screens/beos/zeta-lt.png look at the bottom right[10:44:14] <RQ> see number 2 there?[10:44:24] <RQ> means it's the second workspace[10:45:29] <PulkoMandy> yes[10:45:39] <PulkoMandy> I guess it would not be too hard to write this[10:45:44] <RQ> having that in Haiku would be nice ;)[10:46:00] <RQ> I wrote the authors of that app, maybe they would make it open[10:46:01] <PulkoMandy> you can have a look at webwatch sourcecode, workspaces one, and mix them a little :)[10:46:19] <RQ> i'm not a programmer (except PHP)[10:46:35] <RQ> so it's close to impossible for me ;)[10:46:41] <PulkoMandy> it's about time to become one :)[10:47:48] <RQ> I guess so[10:48:07] <RQ> but that's not too realistic.. :D[10:48:54] <PulkoMandy> http://dev.haiku-os.org/browser/haiku/trunk/src/apps/webwatch[10:49:07] <PulkoMandy> this is a deskbar replicant to show the "Internet Time"[10:49:13] <PulkoMandy> almost what you need[10:49:23] <PulkoMandy> http://dev.haiku-os.org/browser/haiku/trunk/src/apps/workspaces[10:49:39] <PulkoMandy> and here you can find how to know the current workspace[10:51:16] <RQ> PulkoMandy: well, like I said, I wrote the authors of that app. If they would make it open, would it be realistic for it to become part of the default Haiku distribution?[10:51:30] <RQ> (I like the easy way in some cases) :D[10:52:09] <dru345> hi PulkoMandy[10:53:50] *** Ziusudra has quit IRC[10:57:31] <kurain> PulkoMandy: if there some way to test the HTA translation[10:58:40] <kurain> or could the catkeys work directly?[11:00:23] <smooki> catkeys ?[11:00:33] <RQ> the catkeys file[11:00:43] <kurain> yes[11:01:05] *** CK|iPod has quit IRC[11:02:35] <RQ> PulkoMandy: what's your answer?[11:08:20] <PulkoMandy> RQ: part of Haiku I don't know[11:08:30] <PulkoMandy> an optional package would work[11:08:38] <RQ> PulkoMandy: and to kurain?[11:09:02] <PulkoMandy> kurain : I think you can use the catkeys directly, putting them along with the catalog files[11:09:14] *** J-Ho has joined #haiku[11:09:24] <PulkoMandy> if that doesn't work, you can use the linkcatkeys command to create a catalog from a catkey in haiku[11:09:28] <RQ> PulkoMandy: I suspect there may be problems though, if the checksums have changed[11:09:54] <kurain> ok, i will try[11:10:09] <PulkoMandy> no, the checksum is checked inside the file, not in regard of anything else[11:10:17] <PulkoMandy> so if your file is correct, there is no problem[11:10:30] <PulkoMandy> if it's not, linkcatkeys will tell you[11:10:32] <RQ> eh? I thought the header actually has English checksoom[11:10:36] <RQ> *checksum[11:10:47] <PulkoMandy> yes[11:11:10] <PulkoMandy> the checksum is done on <original string, context, comment>[11:11:12] <RQ> and then if that doesn't match current English checksum in the application, it will not use the file in question at all[11:11:18] <PulkoMandy> not on the english "translation"[11:11:36] <PulkoMandy> no[11:11:51] <PulkoMandy> we planned to do that but we decided it was better to just have some untranslated strings[11:11:58] <RQ> oh[11:12:01] <The123king> is there any good arguements why Haiku uses MIT rather than GPL, i'm fighing an arguement about GPL "cancer"[11:12:26] <RQ> PulkoMandy: damn, we really need some real documentation, not just your blog post :D[11:12:29] <PulkoMandy> The123king: when we started the project, MIT allowed us to share sources with zeta[11:12:32] <PulkoMandy> (not free software)[11:12:35] <RQ> perhaps a wiki page...[11:12:53] <PulkoMandy> RQ : well, write something, I can put it on the wiki :)[11:12:57] <CIA-37> stippi * r37707 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/media/plugins/ffmpeg/AVCodecDecoder.cpp:[11:12:57] <CIA-37> * Split debug output into general, audio and video (video output not done).[11:12:57] <CIA-37> * Set the AVContext->frame_size, though I don't think it has any effect.[11:12:58] <MrSunshine__> The123king, gpl sucks :P[11:13:07] <The123king> Yeh[11:13:08] <MrSunshine__> when you start using it it just spreads[11:13:15] <RQ> PulkoMandy : just copy your post for the starters ;)[11:13:18] <MrSunshine__> everything that touches it has to be gpl[11:13:21] <The123king> GPL is useful in some cases, but i'd always license my code under MIT[11:13:22] <RQ> and update what's changed ;)[11:13:42] <PulkoMandy> RQ: you have access to the wiki as a translator now[11:13:46] <PulkoMandy> so you can do it :)[11:13:51] <RQ> MrSunshine__ : that doesn't mean it really sucks. it's just too restrictive ;)[11:13:53] <The123king> MrSunshine__: that's what the arguement is about[11:14:01] <The123king> http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/07/22/1935248/WordPress-Creator-GPL-Says-WP-Template-Must-Be-GPLd?from=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+%28Slashdot%29[11:14:03] <RQ> PulkoMandy: how do I add a wiki page?[11:14:11] <MrSunshine__> RQ, ye ...[11:14:23] <MrSunshine__> tho mit allows people to fork and close the source doesnt it ?[11:14:33] <RQ> by the way, what are the differences between MIT and BSD?[11:14:51] <MrSunshine__> 3 letters? ;P[11:14:55] <RQ> :D[11:15:25] <The123king> pretty much i think[11:15:43] <The123king> BSd and MIT are worded differently, but i think they're pretty much interchangeable[11:16:07] <RQ> PulkoMandy: Trac Error | Page i18n/lt not found[11:16:07] <The123king> mind you, i could be talking garbage[11:16:11] <The123king> i'm not a lawyer[11:16:11] <RQ> and no link to create it[11:16:32] *** sprma has quit IRC[11:16:37] <PulkoMandy> RQ : http://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/i18n/EverythingAboutCatalogs[11:16:42] <PulkoMandy> are you logged in to the wiki ?[11:16:48] <RQ> i am[11:16:54] <RQ> but I guess I have no permissions :P[11:16:57] <PulkoMandy> mh[11:17:22] <RQ> 'rq' :)[11:17:39] <PulkoMandy> I'm not allowed to change permissions on the wiki apparently[11:17:47] <RQ> I suggest "TranslatorHandbook" instead of "EverythingAboutCatkeys"[11:17:50] <PulkoMandy> do yo usee the "create page" button in this link I pasted ?[11:17:57] <RQ> PulkoMandy: there's no such link[11:18:05] <PulkoMandy> ok...[11:18:10] <PulkoMandy> can you edit other pages at least ?[11:18:12] <RQ> I have no permission to create pages ;)[11:18:18] <PulkoMandy> (there should be an edit button at the bottom)[11:18:20] <RQ> nor edit them :)[11:18:30] <kurain> well, something wrong with the catkeys. the chinese letters couldn't been shown correctly, they just show "||||"[11:18:57] <RQ> ha[11:19:17] <RQ> I just got a reply from sprma![11:19:18] <RQ> I just contaced our programmers. They told me that WorkspaceID uses the library "zetalib.so" (since it was developed under Zeta). That's why it won't run in the BeOS or Haiku.[11:19:18] <RQ> Unfortunately the sources are MIA, but a searchparty is on it's way to retrieve them. When they're recovered, there's a good chance, WorkspacesID will be brought back to life.[11:19:26] <PulkoMandy> kurain: which version of Haiku do you use ?[11:19:31] <RQ> what does MIA mean?[11:19:40] <PulkoMandy> Missing In Action[11:19:43] <kurain> well, I will check[11:19:44] <RQ> oh[11:19:45] <PulkoMandy> or... lost :)[11:19:54] <RQ> cool[11:19:58] <RQ> ain't it?[11:20:07] <kurain> sorry, there is no chinese fonts there[11:20:14] <kurain> so that is the reason[11:20:21] <PulkoMandy> ok[11:20:26] <PulkoMandy> we have to solve that[11:20:33] <PulkoMandy> did you find a suitable one ?[11:20:52] <RQ> http://www.sil.org/~gaultney/gentium/ perhaps?[11:22:12] <RQ> or doesn't it have chinese symbols?[11:22:44] <RQ> oh, it doesn't[11:22:45] <RQ> OK...[11:22:50] <kurain> I think the wenquanyihttp://wenq.org/enindex.cgi[11:23:31] <kurain> this font is better for many linux use this series of chinese fons[11:23:43] <RQ> Haiku definately needs more fonts...[11:24:04] <kurain> but the only problem is that this kind of font use GPL[11:24:59] <RQ> kurain : that's fine, I would guess. After all, nobody 'links' against a font, and it can be easily removed anytime later.[11:26:35] <kurain> yes[11:26:44] <RQ> but I'm not a lawyer either[11:26:56] <PulkoMandy> using GPL for a font is even more stupid :/[11:27:23] * PulkoMandy has no problem with the GPL, but with people using it on everything without even reading it[11:27:31] <kurain> as for other chinese fonts ,I don't if their project could keep going further[11:27:38] <RQ> here are some more: http://www.sino.uni-heidelberg.de/edv/sinopc/chinese_fonts.htm[11:27:49] <PulkoMandy> please... use the open ticket :)[11:28:06] <RQ> PulkoMandy : who gives me wiki permissions?[11:28:24] <PulkoMandy> http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/6194[11:28:41] <kurain> but if other chinese fonts could work perfectly , I will agree that we use it[11:28:43] <PulkoMandy> I don't know... likely mmadia or humdinger can[11:29:36] <PulkoMandy> kurain : with my version of Haiku, trying to display chineseends up using the VL-Gothic font (which is the one we use for Japanese)[11:29:57] <kurain> this could be fine, it includes the traditional chinese fonts and simplified chinese fonts[11:30:13] <PulkoMandy> http://www.lexilogos.com/declaration/article.htm[11:30:15] <PulkoMandy> here for example[11:30:45] <PulkoMandy> if you see only squares, your version of Haiku is too old, I added the font overlay this month I think[11:31:46] <kurain> well. it seems to be[11:33:30] <kurain> this kind of font is fine,[11:33:54] <kurain> but I haven't check the effect of that[11:34:29] <CIA-37> pulkomandy * r37708 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/locale/Country.cpp:[11:34:30] <CIA-37> * Ensure if ICU formatters allocation fails, we return an empty string[11:34:30] <CIA-37> * Use a CheckedArrayByteSink for formatting to a char*, instead of allocating a BString then copying it back to the buffer using strncpy[11:37:54] <RQ> kurain : what about these fonts? http://www.sino.uni-heidelberg.de/edv/sinopc/chinese_fonts.htm[11:39:11] <RQ> well anyway, /me -> lunch :)[11:41:45] <kurain> I will go for a dinner[11:43:21] *** sprma has joined #haiku[11:48:23] *** AlexFera has joined #haiku[11:59:17] <CIA-37> axeld * r37709 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/network/stack/net_buffer.cpp: * dump_buffer() now also prints the stored header, if any, and a bit more data.[11:59:17] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[12:00:03] <Anarchos> i have an object deriving from BMenuItem, but when invoked, the BMessage is null, but i passed one to the constructor. No idea ?[12:01:20] <CIA-37> axeld * r37710 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/network/protocols/icmp/icmp.cpp:[12:01:20] <CIA-37> * We need to delay the checksum computation after the reply is complete.[12:01:20] <CIA-37> * Also, we need to set the buffer's protocol.[12:01:20] <CIA-37> * Now we actually send correct ICMP messages.[12:01:26] *** sprma has quit IRC[12:02:13] <Anarchos> i always wonder why axel doesn't come to irc to speak with us :)[12:02:49] <ali3n0> maybe because he knows irc kills productivity :)[12:03:04] <gluon> because he actually codes :)[12:03:15] <gluon> and he's an android![12:03:43] <gluon> he only cares about machine to machine messaging[12:03:46] <gluon> :)[12:03:47] <Anarchos> well i code too but i come here to get help to analyze my bugs :)[12:03:57] <gluon> hehe[12:03:59] <PulkoMandy> he doesn't have bugs :)[12:04:07] <gluon> well I'm about to start hacking the code[12:04:28] <Anarchos> PulkoMandy did you see mine ?[12:04:39] <gluon> do you suggest any simple app to start? (I've read some docs and are familiar with the basics of the API)[12:05:00] <Anarchos> gluon look at the easy tasks in trac[12:05:00] <gluon> Workspaces is under 1000 lines, seems a good place to start[12:05:02] <CIA-37> axeld * r37711 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/network/protocols/ipv4/ipv4.cpp:[12:05:02] <CIA-37> * ipv4_error_received() also needs to fill in the buffer's address, and[12:05:02] <CIA-37> protocol, and cut off its IPv4 header before forwarding the buffer to the[12:05:02] <CIA-37> upper layers.[12:05:02] <CIA-37> * Some minor cleanup.[12:05:31] <gluon> Anarchos: they're all already fixed I'm afraid[12:06:00] <PulkoMandy> gluon : build the app rq requested[12:06:12] <PulkoMandy> a deskbar replicant to show the current workspace number[12:06:37] <PulkoMandy> mixing code from workspaces and webwatch, it should be easy[12:07:30] <gluon> I can't believe that, I have the same exact requirement[12:07:31] <Anarchos> webwatch ? what is it ?[12:07:51] <gluon> actually that's why I was going through the workspaces code[12:08:02] <PulkoMandy> webwatch is a deskbar add-on to show the so-called "internet time"[12:08:31] <PulkoMandy> it's not in the default image, and I believe no one ever use it[12:08:33] <gluon> alright, I'll have a look[12:08:46] <CIA-37> axeld * r37712 /haiku/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)[12:08:47] <CIA-37> * Corrected naming/visibility of the DatagramSocket methods (protected methods[12:08:47] <CIA-37> do not get the '_' prefix, only private ones do).[12:08:47] <CIA-37> * Added a "peek" argument to SocketStatus() (and generally renamed "clone" to[12:08:47] <CIA-37> "peek" where it made sense).[12:08:49] <RQ> gluon : it's already written[12:08:52] <PulkoMandy> but it has code for drawing text in deskbar :)[12:08:55] *** Advant has quit IRC[12:09:18] <RQ> but it's for zeta. we may want to wait a little :)[12:12:01] <PulkoMandy> RQ: I'm pretty sure it's easier to alter webwatch, actually[12:12:01] <CIA-37> axeld * r37713 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/network/stack/net_socket.cpp: * If an error is notified, also forward the even to read/write.[12:12:01] <PulkoMandy> plus, we have the sourcecode for this one already :)[12:12:01] <RQ> PulkoMandy: that would mean sprma's search party is wasting its time ;)[12:12:01] <RQ> do we have a keyboard layout switcher for deskbar?[12:12:01] <Anarchos> PulkoMandy i would prefer fixing bug instead add new apps and new bugs ;)[12:12:02] *** AlexFera has quit IRC[12:12:04] <PulkoMandy> "programming is the art of adding new bugs. testing is the hard work needed to remove them"[12:12:23] <PulkoMandy> or something like that[12:13:24] <PulkoMandy> well anyway, if someone is bored, I'd like some help with FRiSS, Haiku's RSS feed reader :)[12:13:30] <RQ> PulkoMandy: why do you think writing it from scratch would be faster?[12:13:45] <PulkoMandy> it's not from scratch, it's using two existing apps[12:13:47] *** Advant has joined #haiku[12:14:05] <PulkoMandy> I'd say it's about 10 to 100 lines to move from one app to another[12:14:21] <RQ> PulkoMandy : do you think all workspace previews would fit in the deskbar?[12:14:23] <PulkoMandy> I don't know what libzeta does, but likely it would be more work to remove that[12:14:49] <PulkoMandy> very small 16x16pixels preview, maybe :)[12:15:06] <RQ> workspaceID didn't really have those previews[12:15:08] *** Shisui has quit IRC[12:15:19] <RQ> it only showed the number of current one:)[12:15:23] <gluon> wow, webwatch is really small[12:15:25] <RQ> so it was slightly different[12:15:28] <PulkoMandy> or it could pop up when you click the number, or whatever[12:15:41] <RQ> OK :)[12:15:45] *** toni_ has joined #haiku[12:15:57] <RQ> I'd use anything that wouldn't require me to look behind the windows[12:16:28] <Anarchos> anybody tries to transform the scheduler of haiku using a logarithmic priority scheme as in beos ?[12:16:57] <PulkoMandy> I recall some ML thread talking about it yes[12:18:05] <Anarchos> PulkoMandy i notice that when i do extensive compilation the UI is little responsive[12:18:21] <gluon> PulkoMandy: why isn't Webwatch included in the default image, how can I include it?[12:18:36] <PulkoMandy> gluon: because it isn't really useful ;à[12:18:51] <gluon> makes sense :)[12:19:27] <RQ> this workspaces thing would be really usefull though[12:19:30] <RQ> please include it![12:19:52] <PulkoMandy> AddFilesToHaikuImage system apps : WebWatch ;[12:20:01] <PulkoMandy> in your userbuild config[12:20:10] *** Hubert_ has joined #haiku[12:20:20] <RQ> I don't want userbuild config, i suggest it there by default ;)[12:20:28] <PulkoMandy> or you can just jam-qwebWatch and test it directly[12:20:45] <RQ> not webwatch though[12:20:56] <PulkoMandy> yes,to add the magicalworkspace button, just add your application name to the list in build/jam/HaikuImage[12:20:58] <CIA-37> axeld * r37714 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/network/protocols/udp/udp.cpp:[12:20:58] <CIA-37> * Removed _EndpointFor() again; DeliverError() is using _FindActiveEndpoint()[12:20:58] <CIA-37> instead, ie. ICMP errors are only forwarded to connected UDP sockets.[12:20:58] <CIA-37> * Also notify the DatagramSocket's dequeue loop if an error occurs - this makes[12:20:58] <CIA-37> udp_unreachable finally work as intended.[12:21:04] <PulkoMandy> there is a list called SYSTEM_APPS[12:21:23] <PulkoMandy> m[12:21:29] <RQ> PulkoMandy : doh, I'm not going to build Haiku myself[12:21:37] <PulkoMandy> or maybe DESKBAR_DESKTOP_APPLETS would be better :)[12:21:40] <RQ> but I think that app would be really useful by default[12:21:51] <PulkoMandy> mh...[12:21:56] <PulkoMandy> ok, you need both actually[12:22:05] <RQ> it could actually be just a built in feature of Tracker indeed[12:22:10] <PulkoMandy> system_apps to build the app, and the oher one to add it to the Be Menu[12:22:12] <RQ> like the clock is[12:23:34] <PulkoMandy> it's better to have replicants :)[12:24:12] <RQ> AFAIK replicants live in the desktop, not on the deskbar, or am I wrong?[12:25:46] <CIA-37> pulkomandy * r37715 /haiku/trunk/data/catalogs/ (54 files in 26 dirs):[12:25:46] <CIA-37> Sync catalogs from hta[12:25:46] <CIA-37> * Chinese was moved from zh to zh-hans, because Han Simplified and Han Traditional are two separate languages, so there is no such thing as "zh". This allows for more coherent fallback management.[12:26:12] <RQ> PulkoMandy : they're scripts, not languages :P[12:29:29] *** MW|Vesper has joined #haiku[12:30:52] *** The123king has quit IRC[12:31:05] *** Hubert_ has quit IRC[12:37:47] *** waveshaper has joined #haiku[12:38:38] *** waveshaper has quit IRC[12:38:57] *** waveshaper has joined #haiku[12:42:17] <PulkoMandy> :)[12:42:44] <dru345> bye all o/[12:42:45] *** dru345 has left #haiku[12:45:32] <PulkoMandy> gluon: mh... beware of the ellipsis[12:46:02] <PulkoMandy> don't use "...", use "…" (which is one single utf-8 char)[12:46:26] <PulkoMandy> the simplest way is unfortunately to copy it from the english string[12:46:49] <RQ> we could add it to Haiku's keymaps[12:47:00] <PulkoMandy> it's there in french[12:47:03] <PulkoMandy> …[12:47:11] <PulkoMandy> altgr shift .[12:47:30] <RQ> or suggest Travis to put some commonly used cool characters somewhere in HTA for easy copying[12:47:30] <PulkoMandy> but… you have to know it and twist your fingers[12:47:43] <RQ> PulkoMandy: I suppose it's not there in all layouts[12:47:43] <RQ> ;][12:47:52] <PulkoMandy> it was added recently in french[12:48:02] <PulkoMandy> along with « » and some others :)[12:48:22] <RQ> By the way, when I get to it, I'll file a bug with some changes to Lithuanian keymaps[12:48:49] <PulkoMandy> gluon: for info, you have a "..." in terminal 'Save to file" translation[12:48:54] <PulkoMandy> there are others[12:49:06] <PulkoMandy> I'll ask travis if he can add a warning :)[12:49:16] <RQ> and I'd like to drop Lithuanian (Ergonomic), cause it seems to me that it was Antanas' own creation, and I guess that nobody except him uses it[12:50:05] <PulkoMandy> looks like some kind of dvorak keyboard[12:52:45] <PulkoMandy> like French (Bépo)[12:52:45] <PulkoMandy> the french one has about 500 users too[12:52:45] <RQ> I didn't look at it. It seems he's done some research, but the fact is that Haiku is the first place where I found that keymap[12:52:46] <RQ> and I never even heard about it before[12:52:46] <Anarchos> PulkoMandy whcich french ?[12:52:46] <sigma_g> it exists natively in xorg[12:52:46] <PulkoMandy> the bépo keymap[12:52:46] *** ali3n0 has quit IRC[12:52:46] <RQ> there's a different project though, which also makes an ergonomic keyboard based on principles similar to Colemak[12:52:46] <PulkoMandy> sigma_g: apparently the lithuanian one doesn't :)[12:52:46] <sigma_g> RQ: and drivers are available for windows and macos at bepo.fr[12:52:46] <Anarchos> PulkoMandy oh i use it too :)[12:52:46] <RQ> I'd rather see that built in, though I'd probably rather see none of them built in indeed :)[12:52:47] <RQ> sigma_g: I'm talking about Lithuanian keymaps, not French[12:52:47] <Anarchos> why this f*cking message disappears when i invoke my menu ???[12:52:47] <sigma_g> oh sorry[12:52:47] <PulkoMandy> RQ : well, I think we can replace it if there is a more "official" one, removing it I'm not sure[12:52:47] <gluon> PulkoMandy: oh thanks. I found that weird but the original string had the '...' too[12:52:56] <PulkoMandy> no they don't[12:53:05] <PulkoMandy> it's pretty hard to see on hta unfortunately[12:53:12] <gluon> oh[12:53:36] <PulkoMandy> looking at it with a monospace font makes it clear, however[12:55:12] *** LinuxKeitaro has quit IRC[12:55:12] <RQ> PulkoMandy: AFAIK there's no official "ergonomic" layout, except the "Standard" one[12:55:49] <PulkoMandy> well, there is no such thing as an official layout anyway…, except maybe the hcesar in portugal[12:56:10] <RQ> and 90+ percent use the default keymap which is dubbed Lithuanian (Baltic) in Haiku, and I'm gonna change that name too.[12:56:11] <PulkoMandy> but lets say, something with a supporting community[12:56:13] <gluon> PulkoMandy: what's the original string then? is this an UTF single character for '...'?[12:56:26] <PulkoMandy> yes[12:56:40] <gluon> nice[12:56:44] <PulkoMandy> in the sourcecode it's marked B_UTF8_ELIPSIS, but in hta it's just …[12:56:58] <Anarchos> ok if i create a BMessage with new, the address is 0x1801a1e0 not 0x800... as in beos, is it normal ?[12:57:02] <PulkoMandy> if you don't have it in your keymap, you can add it, or just copypaste it from the english string[12:57:13] <PulkoMandy> Anarchos: yes[12:57:14] <Anarchos> PulkoMandy what is 'hta' ?[12:57:26] <PulkoMandy> Haiku Translation Assistant[12:57:28] <Anarchos> PulkoMandy why changing address space ?[12:57:28] <gluon> copy/paste solved it[12:57:53] <RQ> PulkoMandy: we have like 6 or so Lithuanian keymaps in Linux. :D I'm definately not looking forward into seeing that in Haiku :)[12:58:10] <RQ> though it may end up like that anyway....[12:58:13] <RQ> (thinking)[12:58:18] <PulkoMandy> Anarchos: IIRC the reverted address space was to make sure people wouldn't mix incompatible binaries between ppc, x86, and the different compilers[12:58:45] <PulkoMandy> it's not really useful and it causes problems on switching to 64 bit, so we reverted it again[12:59:32] <Anarchos> PulkoMandy ok. and if i create a BMessage in one thread and uses it in another thread within the same team, is there a problem ?[13:02:13] <PulkoMandy> no, inside a team the memory is shared[13:02:14] <PulkoMandy> unless someone else delete the message[13:02:14] <gluon> is there a way to generate an image with more free space using jam haiku-image?[13:02:14] <gluon> does this make sense?[13:02:14] <PulkoMandy> yes[13:02:14] <PulkoMandy> some userbuildconfig option again[13:02:14] <Anarchos> PulkoMandy i know but i don't understand where it is deleted :)[13:02:15] <PulkoMandy> look at userbuildconfig.sample and .readme[13:02:15] <gluon> PulkoMandy: thanks![13:02:15] <PulkoMandy> Anarchos: did you look at some other code in haiku to see how it's done ?[13:02:15] *** cherrypie has quit IRC[13:02:32] <PulkoMandy> I don't understand how a message can be NULL… you try to handle it in some MessageReceived, right ?[13:02:48] <Anarchos> PulkoMandy it won't help : code is mixed with the GC of ocaml .... it messes up the memory totally , because i don't know enough how to mix ...[13:03:13] <Anarchos> PulkoMandy it is not in MessageReceived but in DerivedFromBMenuItem::Invoke[13:03:49] *** ali3n0 has joined #haiku[13:05:46] <PulkoMandy> oh, you can't see the BMessage in the derived class, unless you stored it yourself[13:06:04] <PulkoMandy> the parameter of invoke is for using a message different than the one you used in the constructor[13:06:31] *** adriano-src has joined #haiku[13:06:59] *** adriano-src has quit IRC[13:07:43] <Anarchos> PulkoMandy so it is normal that the BMessage parameter of invoke is null ?[13:09:34] <PulkoMandy> yes[13:09:52] <PulkoMandy> when it is null, you use the message you stored in the constructor[13:09:52] <Anarchos> PulkoMandy and i was working on it for 3 days... where is that documented ?[13:10:08] <PulkoMandy> when it is not null, use the message someone gave you[13:10:30] <PulkoMandy> that's what I understand from the bebook documentation of BMenuItem::Invoke[13:11:01] * Anarchos is idle: BRB[13:11:34] *** adriano-src has joined #haiku[13:13:42] *** cherrypie has joined #haiku[13:16:13] *** kmargar is now known as markos_[13:20:40] *** warpdesign_ has joined #haiku[13:22:22] *** ali3n0 has quit IRC[13:23:06] <gluon> PulkoMandy: the UserBuildConfig tip was really nice. jam is powerful![13:23:37] <gluon> I'm now creating some really sustom builds to use out of the box[13:23:52] <gluon> custom*[13:28:24] <PulkoMandy> :)[13:34:15] *** neena has joined #haiku[13:35:15] <CIA-37> pulkomandy * r37716 /haiku/trunk/ (headers/os/locale/Country.h src/kits/locale/Country.cpp): * Add locking system to BCountry to avoid problems with the formatters being deleted while you use them, or created multiple times.[13:35:50] *** ali3n0 has joined #haiku[13:40:57] *** neena has quit IRC[13:43:08] *** iIngenu has joined #haiku[13:44:02] *** andreas_dr has joined #haiku[13:52:32] *** brobostigon has joined #haiku[13:53:15] <brobostigon> afternoonings all.[14:04:29] *** MW|Vesper_ has joined #haiku[14:05:07] *** Ola__ has joined #haiku[14:07:03] *** MW|Vesper has quit IRC[14:07:52] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[14:11:57] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[14:24:30] *** stargater has joined #haiku[14:24:34] <stargater> re[14:25:52] *** odites has joined #haiku[14:28:43] *** andreas_dr has quit IRC[14:35:03] *** Shisui has joined #haiku[14:37:43] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[14:37:51] *** prizm has joined #haiku[14:39:26] *** Ola__ has quit IRC[14:39:52] *** Ola__ has joined #haiku[14:40:21] *** MW|Vesper_ has quit IRC[14:42:09] *** prizm is now known as BloodySundae[14:45:06] <RQ> mmadia: ping[14:45:22] <mmadia> .[14:45:54] <RQ> mmadia: can you give me more rights on the wiki?[14:45:57] <helf> hi[14:46:17] <mmadia> gotta ask on the ML.[14:46:23] <mmadia> morning, helf.[14:46:38] <RQ> mmadia: you mean I should ask?[14:46:44] <mmadia> yes, RQ.[14:46:55] <RQ> hm, I was hoping IRC is enough :)[14:47:37] <RQ> mmadia: which ml?[14:47:47] <RQ> haiku@ or haiku-i18n@?[14:47:57] <mmadia> i guess haiku@[14:48:23] <mmadia> bbl.[14:48:55] <RQ> mmadia : what should I say in the email?[14:51:41] *** adriano-src has quit IRC[14:59:38] *** iIngenu has quit IRC[15:05:05] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[15:05:09] <gluon> I'm using HAIKU_IMAGE_SIZE = 500 ; in UserBuildConfig but I still get a 148MB image when I run jam haiku-image[15:05:26] <gluon> all the other options in UserBuildConfig are working[15:05:34] <gluon> what could I be doing wrong?[15:06:13] <PulkoMandy> maybe not using the right option[15:06:36] <PulkoMandy> but it looks right to me[15:08:33] <CIA-37> axeld * r37717 /haiku/trunk/src/tests/kits/game/push_game_sound_test/push_game_sound_test.cpp: * Some cleanup.[15:10:03] <RQ> gluon: any luck with the workspaces app?[15:16:20] <CIA-37> pulkomandy * r37718 /haiku/trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): * Add a BTimeZone class for handling time zones.[15:20:17] *** AlonzoTG has joined #haiku[15:20:25] *** Ola__ has quit IRC[15:20:42] *** Ola__ has joined #haiku[15:24:24] <Shisui> gluon, does HAIKU_IMAGE_SIZE works for both raw image and vmware hard-disk images ?[15:24:44] <Shisui> I'm using this option for vmware image, and it works fine[15:29:08] <gluon> I just tried haiku-image (which I think it's raw)[15:29:14] <gluon> and it didn't work[15:29:36] *** BloodySundae has quit IRC[15:29:55] *** stargater has quit IRC[15:31:41] <luroh> gluon: try removing generated/haiku-image and build again[15:32:17] <gluon> already did :)[15:32:24] <luroh> generated/haiku.image, i mean[15:32:31] <luroh> hm[15:33:03] <luroh> mind pastebinning your UserBuildConfig?[15:33:13] <gluon> sure[15:35:03] <gluon> http://pastebin.com/LHrJN9nG[15:35:24] <gluon> I have that Exit statement commented just for testing purposes[15:35:39] <gluon> I tried uncommenting it and as expected jam quits[15:35:39] <luroh> ok[15:35:59] <gluon> just to make sure the UserBuildConfig was being loaded[15:36:09] <gluon> also, the other options are working as expected[15:36:16] <luroh> right[15:37:24] <gluon> I then run jam -q haiku-image from haiku/haiku to build[15:38:54] <luroh> could you try HAIKU_DONT_CLEAR_IMAGE = 1 ;[15:39:05] <gluon> it's there :)[15:39:08] <gluon> oh 1[15:39:08] <gluon> ok[15:39:25] <luroh> yeah, i seem to recall having some similar problem at some point[15:39:33] <gluon> doesn't seem to make sense but I'll try[15:41:24] <Anarchos> how to know if a .o get debugging symbols ?[15:41:32] <gluon> luroh: no luck hehe[15:41:58] <luroh> i'm going to try your UBC file[15:42:05] <Anarchos> i compile with gcc -g -fno-defer-pop[15:42:27] <gluon> luroh: I'm now trying it only with the image size option :)[15:42:34] <gluon> and it's the same[15:43:41] <luroh> and of course pastebin.com doesn't respond...[15:44:36] *** vooshy has joined #haiku[15:45:12] <PulkoMandy> Anarchos: with -g you have them[15:45:42] <Anarchos> PulkoMandy yes but Debugger can't find them[15:45:46] <PulkoMandy> gluon: there is an "echo" rule in jam, more practical for testing[15:45:55] <PulkoMandy> Anarchos: maybe you use strip afterwards ?[15:46:13] <Anarchos> PulkoMandy i didn't see a call to strip in my Makefiles[15:46:24] <PulkoMandy> I think you can get some info with objdump and/or nm[15:46:29] <PulkoMandy> but not sure what to check[15:47:02] <luroh> gluon: fwiw, i tried with just the image size option and it worked[15:48:02] <gluon> luroh: what was your build command?[15:48:07] <Anarchos> PulkoMandy objdump -g[15:48:14] <gluon> are you cross compiling from linux?[15:48:37] <luroh> jam -q haiku-image[15:48:41] <luroh> yes, from linux[15:48:46] <gluon> lol[15:48:54] <gluon> the same here... weird[15:49:00] <luroh> aye, strange stuff :)[15:49:02] <gluon> let me jam clean[15:49:15] <luroh> no[15:49:29] <luroh> jam clean is no good, clear out your generated/ instead[15:49:38] <gluon> yeah[15:49:44] <PulkoMandy> gluon: do you delete your .image file before rebuilding ?[15:49:46] <gluon> everything under generated?[15:49:53] <luroh> well, you can keep the download folder[15:50:06] <PulkoMandy> you should keep the buildtools too ?[15:51:00] <luroh> might as well build fresh[15:51:06] <luroh> including buildtools[15:51:54] *** iIngenu has joined #haiku[15:55:00] <gluon> LOOOOOOOOOL[15:55:06] <gluon> hahaha[15:55:27] <gluon> want to know what was 'wrong' ?[15:55:38] <luroh> yes :)[15:56:04] <gluon> I was using 'ls -sh' which reports occupied space for sparse files[15:56:14] <gluon> doing ls -l shows the total size[15:56:21] <luroh> d'oh![15:56:22] <gluon> :)[15:56:27] <gluon> indeed![15:56:42] <gluon> this means I need to rest for a while[15:56:55] *** pfoetchen has joined #haiku[15:57:02] <gluon> so that my brain works again[15:57:12] <gluon> sorry lol![15:57:13] <luroh> glad it wasn't something worse[15:57:17] <luroh> np :)[15:57:36] <gluon> hehe bbl[15:57:59] *** jamy has quit IRC[15:58:00] *** redblue has quit IRC[16:02:39] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[16:04:19] <Xeon3D> hmm can someone type me a bunch of UTF-8 ? :D[16:04:47] *** oZ] has joined #haiku[16:05:40] <PulkoMandy> I only have …«»éàèç on my keyboard :)[16:05:52] *** Hubert_ has joined #haiku[16:06:02] <Xeon3D> hmmm[16:06:05] <PulkoMandy> oh, and ñâêîôû[16:06:06] <PulkoMandy> :)[16:06:09] <Xeon3D> I don't think this is working :D[16:06:34] <Xeon3D> I get [15:09:30] <PulkoMandy> oh, and ñâêîôû[16:06:41] <PulkoMandy> well for me it works :)[16:07:24] <PulkoMandy> äëïöüÿ[16:09:07] <oZ]> Xeon3D: What do you see instead of characters? ;)[16:09:42] <Xeon3D> idk if I'm seeing what he typed or not[16:09:59] <Xeon3D> i see A's with tilde's and boxes with spiky corners[16:10:17] <Xeon3D> lemme restart this crappy irc client[16:10:52][16:10:53] <oZ]> Ah. When you pasted it, it was the same as I saw before, but it's letters with various.. accoutrements.[16:11:06] <luroh> Xeon3D: http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/7951/screenshotvj.png[16:11:26] *** glow has joined #haiku[16:12:09] <oZ]> Yeah, that's wha tI see. :)[16:12:26] *** Shisui has quit IRC[16:12:40] <Xeon3D> erm PulkoMandy try again plz :D[16:13:16] <PulkoMandy> éèàûö…[16:13:32] <Xeon3D> nope[16:13:36] <Xeon3D> damn :/[16:13:59] *** lorglas has joined #haiku[16:14:08] *** LinuxKeitaro has joined #haiku[16:14:17] <Xeon3D> PulkoMandy: It's AdiIRC :P[16:15:56] <PulkoMandy> yeah, saw it[16:16:04] <PulkoMandy> apparently the ctcp version works well :)[16:16:51] <Xeon3D> oh, thought the ZNC was blocking it :D[16:22:34] *** ali3n0 has quit IRC[16:22:57] <Xeon3D> I think I've fixed it :D[16:23:11] <Xeon3D> but not before I had PChat installed. :P[16:24:11] *** RQ has quit IRC[16:30:21] *** andreas_dr has joined #haiku[16:32:38] *** smooki has quit IRC[16:39:40] *** andreas_dr has quit IRC[16:54:56] *** jmayfield__ has joined #haiku[16:59:51] *** acous has joined #haiku[16:59:57] *** iIngenu has quit IRC[17:04:10] *** iIngenu has joined #haiku[17:06:31] *** odites has quit IRC[17:08:13] *** knut_ has quit IRC[17:09:55] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[17:10:00] *** knut_ has joined #haiku[17:10:05] <Disreali> morning[17:12:09] <iIngenu> hey[17:16:42] *** ali3n0 has joined #haiku[17:16:47] *** Disreali_ has joined #haiku[17:16:58] <ali3n0> hi folks[17:17:00] <PulkoMandy> :)[17:17:09] *** Disreali has quit IRC[17:17:10] <ali3n0> booting virutalbox today I get this: http://imagebin.org/106491[17:17:11] <stpere> for some reason, I don't like being associated with police[17:17:12] *** Disreali_ is now known as Disreali[17:17:30] <stpere> and I like it also, it's a love/hate relationship[17:17:31] <stpere> :)[17:18:00] *** acous has quit IRC[17:18:03] <stpere> first time I got involved with them, is when they asked me for help :P[17:18:29] <ali3n0> is sucking 100%cpu too...[17:18:48] <stpere> but, when the guy calls you and present itself as a cop, I kindof stopped my download even if it was legit :P[17:20:13] <PulkoMandy> ali3n0: well, it crashed, so yes, it's waiting for your orders[17:20:23] <PulkoMandy> looks like a problem in the network card driver[17:20:41] <ali3n0> given reboot, now it is just fine[17:21:30] <ali3n0> what can you do from that prompt by the way? other then reboot of course :()[17:21:31] <ali3n0> :)[17:21:39] <PulkoMandy> type help[17:21:46] <PulkoMandy> it's the kernel debugger[17:21:58] <PulkoMandy> you canget info on what's going on and try to figure why it crashed[17:22:00] <ali3n0> cool[17:22:11] <PulkoMandy> or you can just typekdlhangman and play hangman[17:22:34] <PulkoMandy> http://www.haiku-os.org/documents/dev/welcome_to_kernel_debugging_land[17:22:39] <PulkoMandy> here are some docs :)[17:24:29] <ali3n0> damn how many things still to be learned[17:25:25] <ali3n0> and to find SysReq key for example :)[17:25:47] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[17:26:24] *** RQ has joined #haiku[17:26:49] <RQ> mmadia: I wrote the email[17:26:56] <kurain> hello humdinger[17:27:06] <RQ> hi humdinger[17:27:20] <humdinger> hi all[17:28:02] *** GedMurphy has quit IRC[17:28:15] <humdinger> Damn, media_addon_server is freaking out when I set and test a nick-notification in Sounds...[17:28:40] <humdinger> I think I'll update to a newer release in hopes it was fixed...[17:29:40] <RQ> what's the easiest way to update, I forgot again?[17:29:40] <humdinger> hiho, hiho, to compile I go...[17:29:46] <humdinger> l8ers[17:29:47] *** humdinger has quit IRC[17:36:53] <PulkoMandy> ali3n0: sysreq is usually the print screen key[17:36:57] *** lorglas has quit IRC[17:37:25] <PulkoMandy> RQ: usb stick or bootable cd, and install over your existing system[17:41:28] *** Alam_Squeeze has quit IRC[17:41:46] *** Alam_Squeeze has joined #haiku[17:42:02] *** lorglas has joined #haiku[17:42:13] *** lorglas has quit IRC[17:45:41] <kurain> night all, time to sleep[17:45:53] <kurain> see you tomorrow[17:49:32] <RQ> that means I have to download full image each time I want to update[17:49:37] <RQ> okay....[17:50:33] *** toni_ has quit IRC[17:50:56] *** raichoo has joined #haiku[17:52:26] *** Xbertl has joined #haiku[17:52:32] <PulkoMandy> RQ:either that or you build it yourself[17:52:41] <PulkoMandy> there's no package manager... time will come :)[18:00:08] *** _arjen_ has joined #haiku[18:00:43] <PulkoMandy> so, the tzdata comments say they had 5 timezone before 1949 but nowthere's only one, except some minority ethnicsinsisting on using something else[18:00:50] <PulkoMandy> mh[18:01:03] <PulkoMandy> that was for another channel[18:04:12] *** Ola__ has quit IRC[18:07:12] *** adriano-src has joined #haiku[18:07:36] *** kurain has left #haiku[18:07:59] *** jmelesky has joined #haiku[18:09:02] <RQ> ok bye :)[18:09:18] *** RQ has quit IRC[18:10:20] *** vooshy has quit IRC[18:17:39] *** J-Ho has left #haiku[18:18:24] *** acous has joined #haiku[18:22:22] <CIA-37> pulkomandy * r37719 /haiku/trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs):[18:22:22] <CIA-37> * Bcountry : private methods start with underscore. The timezone list isnow actually a list of BTimeZone objects, that holdsall the needed info, not only the code. Also tweak the listing code to[18:22:22] <CIA-37> remove duplicatesfromthe list generated by ICU.[18:22:22] <CIA-37> * BTimeZone : remove Code, rename Name to GetName. The class is likely to change again for further optimization.[18:33:10] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[18:34:44] *** cnuke has quit IRC[18:36:13] *** saivert has left #haiku[18:36:53] *** PacoLinux has quit IRC[18:37:03] *** saivert has joined #haiku[18:37:35] *** PacoLinux has joined #haiku[18:38:25] *** prizm has joined #haiku[18:41:15] *** AlexFera has joined #haiku[18:41:16] *** Meanwhile has joined #haiku[18:48:23] <Anarchos> PulkoMandy Webpositive starts with welcome-en, would be nice to start with your locale welcome file :)[18:51:58] *** LinuxKeitaro has quit IRC[18:52:56] <PulkoMandy> Anarchos: yes... askstippi about it or report a bug :)[18:54:40] *** Sir_Konrad has joined #haiku[18:55:38] <Anarchos> PulkoMandy lol i am a bit tired that any question ends in 'file a bug' :)[18:55:51] *** prizm is now known as BloodySundae[19:04:58] *** impy has joined #haiku[19:05:41] *** Meanwhile has quit IRC[19:12:45] *** markos_ has quit IRC[19:13:32] *** LinuxKeitaro has joined #haiku[19:17:00] <waveshaper> how can I verify that my gfx card is used?[19:17:32] <waveshaper> I tried a command I found on the forum: listimage | grep accel and it lists that I use nv.accel[19:17:55] <mmadia> you just verified that the nvidia driver is being used.[19:17:56] <waveshaper> but moving around windowses etc, Id expect better performance..[19:18:04] <waveshaper> mh[19:18:20] <mmadia> what's your hardware like?[19:18:59] *** ali3n0 has quit IRC[19:20:23] <waveshaper> aopen aeolus fx5200[19:20:36] <waveshaper> is the card. p4 2.4ghz intel box[19:20:52] <waveshaper> on a 24"w monitor[19:21:21] <waveshaper> also set the force_ws to true as someone mentioned[19:21:39] <waveshaper> it does detect and run 1920x1080 fine[19:25:35] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[19:30:17] *** Sir_Konrad has quit IRC[19:31:13] <CIA-37> zooey * r37720 /haiku/trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs):[19:31:13] <CIA-37> Second go at fixing what should have been part of r31927:[19:31:13] <CIA-37> * uncommented fwscanf() in wchar.h to make it available[19:31:13] <CIA-37> * imported wcsftime() from FreeBSD-8 (which just wraps strftime()), so that we[19:31:13] <CIA-37> not only declare it, but provide an implementation, too[19:33:10] <humdinger> When I "pre-hear" a sound in the Sounds prefs, media_addon_server pegs the CPUs. How about you?[19:36:21] *** iIngenu has quit IRC[19:36:54] *** raichoo has left #haiku[19:37:15] *** markos_ has joined #haiku[19:37:53] <humdinger> Every other time I boot Haiku it stops at a white screen, the mouse painting squares to blue background. Anyone else get that?[19:38:33] <mmadia> most likely, that's an app_server crash.[19:39:04] <humdinger> yes. sometimes gdb kicks in with a crashed app_server.[19:39:08] *** Ingenu has joined #haiku[19:39:09] *** dru345 has joined #haiku[19:39:28] <humdinger> I can't seem to get a syslog or anything, even with the bootloader-debugging "trick".[19:39:59] *** BloodySundae has quit IRC[19:40:02] <PulkoMandy> you could still get a backtrace from gdb[19:40:23] <humdinger> it won't show up in syslog.[19:40:41] <humdinger> I can only remember that's it's something with Font...[19:41:04] <PulkoMandy> no... but it's only an app_server crash... don't know if gdb can write it to disk[19:41:12] <humdinger> Could it be the overlay support of fonts?[19:41:28] <PulkoMandy> http://www.slac.stanford.edu/comp/unix/package/rtems/doc/html/gdb/gdb.info.Logging_output.html[19:41:32] <humdinger> At least the syslog doesn't have it.[19:41:33] <PulkoMandy> apparently you can[19:41:49] <PulkoMandy> I don't think so, my code is suboptimal; but should be bug-free[19:42:05] <PulkoMandy> (most of the time)[19:42:28] <humdinger> I can try that gdb ogging thing.[19:42:39] *** LinuxKeitaro has quit IRC[19:43:08] <PulkoMandy> well, now I have to disconnect internet and go to the electronics lab do some soldering[19:43:29] <humdinger> solder away![19:43:40] <PulkoMandy> :)[19:43:47] <PulkoMandy> I'll be back when I'm done[19:43:55] <humdinger> don't burn yourself[19:44:05] <PulkoMandy> should be ok :)[19:44:09] <PulkoMandy> +[19:44:12] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[19:45:18] <humdinger> I'm trying to crash app_server a bit...[19:45:23] <humdinger> l8ers.[19:45:24] *** humdinger has quit IRC[19:45:44] *** adriano-src has quit IRC[19:49:44] <CIA-37> phoudoin * r37721 /haiku/trunk/src/data/keymaps/ (11 files): Fixed several keymaps where keypad End, Arrow down and/or Page down keys were mapped as Home/Arrow up/Page up.[19:56:17] *** cnuke has joined #haiku[20:03:10] *** johnny_b has left #haiku[20:09:51] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[20:13:32] *** kitallis has joined #haiku[20:15:41] *** acous has quit IRC[20:22:43] *** Duggan2 has joined #haiku[20:22:46] *** Duggan2 has quit IRC[20:24:28] *** ambroff has joined #haiku[20:36:01] *** _arjen_ has quit IRC[20:39:01] *** LinuxKeitaro has joined #haiku[20:44:30] *** cnuke has quit IRC[20:46:34] *** moooooooo has joined #haiku[20:47:46] *** jmayfield__ has quit IRC[20:48:01] <moooooooo> you suck! hehe..g'day or should i say good very early morning from Oz[20:53:31] *** AlonzoTG has quit IRC[20:55:18] *** AlonzoTG has joined #haiku[20:59:49] *** Ziusudra has joined #haiku[21:01:08] <gluon> what's this new mimeset updating mime file types popup I'm getting the first time I run the lattest build?[21:01:12] *** Andrius has joined #haiku[21:01:25] *** adriano-src has joined #haiku[21:02:06] <Duggan> hey Ziusudra, gluon, *[21:02:50] <Ziusudra> hi Duggan[21:03:02] <dru345> hi Duggan, Ziusudra[21:03:28] <Ziusudra> gluon, that's actually something Haiku has always done on first boot[21:03:37] <Ziusudra> hi dru345[21:03:44] <dru345> http://ridiculousfish.com/blog/archives/2010/07/23/will-it-optimize/[21:03:51] *** LinuxKeitaro has quit IRC[21:04:12] <gluon> Ziusudra: weird, I had never noticed it :)[21:04:26] *** LinuxKeitaro has joined #haiku[21:04:36] <Ziusudra> the notification is new, however[21:04:47] <gluon> ohh, ok :)[21:09:16] *** jmayfield has joined #haiku[21:13:43] *** x-pilot has joined #haiku[21:14:18] *** moooooooo has quit IRC[21:16:20] *** moooooooo has joined #haiku[21:16:36] <moooooooo> sorry Colloquy on the Mac that everyone says is way cool, just way disco'd me yet again[21:18:05] <moooooooo> time for bed anyway. Take care. 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