July 20, 2010 
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July 20, 2010 [00:07:38] <PulkoMandy> likely the condition tries to lock it by itself and that fails if already locked[00:07:57] <PulkoMandy> (but, I dodn't look at the code)[00:09:49] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[00:10:56] <Duggan> PulkoMandy no I think the lock is for the line inside the condition[00:11:43] <PulkoMandy> no idea... and now I'm going to sleep :)[00:11:54] <PulkoMandy> 'night[00:11:58] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[00:12:16] <dru345> goodnight err[00:16:39] *** _arjen_ has quit IRC[00:17:16] * cpr420 is tempted to reboot to windows to try the new alienswarm release[00:19:27] <dru345> cpr420 isn't there a deprecated BeOS locking mechanism? if so, which one is it?[00:19:58] <cpr420> nothing that I am aware of[00:20:33] <dru345> Ok.[00:24:57] <mmu_screen> file locking ?[00:25:02] <mmu_screen> BNode:Lock()[00:25:15] <mmu_screen> aka _klock_vnode_() IIRC[00:25:18] <cpr420> i think he's referring to loopers[00:25:22] <mmu_screen> ah[00:27:59] *** MrSunshine_ has quit IRC[00:34:51] <dru345> mmu_screen yes sorry, I'm looking at looper using code in Tracker.[00:41:04] *** cpr420 has quit IRC[00:41:04] *** MrSunshine_ has joined #haiku[00:43:27] *** cpr420 has joined #haiku[01:02:18] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[01:03:07] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[01:04:27] *** jmayfield_ has quit IRC[01:05:53] *** jmayfield_ has joined #haiku[01:23:35] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[01:23:42] *** srbaker has quit IRC[01:30:41] *** jmelesky has joined #haiku[01:35:37] *** Duggan has quit IRC[01:43:11] *** oco has quit IRC[01:49:13] *** adriano-src has joined #haiku[01:51:09] *** ari-free has quit IRC[01:52:06] *** ari-free has joined #haiku[01:52:08] <Disreali> cpr420; what is alein swarm?[01:52:19] * Disreali has returned[01:52:41] <cpr420> it's a total conversion of ut2004 http://www.alienswarm.com[01:53:06] <OmniMancer> Disreali: alein swarm is NIL[01:53:24] *** OlaHughson has quit IRC[01:53:44] <cpr420> it was just released for free on steam[01:53:45] <Disreali> looks neat[01:54:14] <Disreali> I'm still trying to get quake and quake 2 to run on Haiku[01:55:02] <Disreali> though, re-booting to vista to play that may also be a good option[01:55:15] *** Beyecixramd has quit IRC[01:55:16] *** RISC_ has joined #haiku[01:55:22] <RISC_> Hi[01:55:29] <Disreali> o/[01:55:32] *** Beyecixramd has joined #haiku[01:55:50] *** Beyecixramd has quit IRC[01:56:14] <RISC_> When gcc 4 will update to 4.4.4?[01:56:51] <Disreali> not sure it is a priority. we have 4.4.1[01:57:01] <RISC_> GCC4.4.4 package file from 5th July...[01:57:04] <OmniMancer> oooooh[01:57:10] <OmniMancer> must grab that then :P[01:57:35] <RISC_> Disreali: where 4.4.1?[01:57:38] <RISC_> 4.3.3[01:57:42] <RISC_> currently[01:57:56] <RISC_> 4.4.4 http://www.haiku-files.org/files/optional-packages/gcc-4.4.4-r1a2-x86-gcc4-2010-07-05.zip[01:58:26] <Disreali> http://haiku-files.org/files/optional-packages/gcc-4.4.4-r1a2-x86-gcc4-2010-07-05.zip[01:58:50] <mmadia> RISC_ : there's some issues with 4.4.4 : http://www.freelists.org/post/haiku-commits/r37380-haikutrunkheadersposix,11[01:59:00] <RISC_> Disreali: lol that's 4.4.4[01:59:06] *** b0nes65 has joined #haiku[01:59:39] <Disreali> maybe 4.4.1 was never at haiku-files.org. I remember someone built an optpkg for it though, because I downloaded it[01:59:48] <RISC_> mmadia: ok[01:59:54] <mmadia> it maybe fixed by updating binutils to a newer version, but then there will be some nasty work to get the newer binutils working with gcc 2.95.3[02:00:41] <Disreali> I'd rather see LLVM/Clang get to the point where gcc can be dropped from the project[02:01:51] <RISC_> thx[02:01:52] <RISC_> see are[02:02:14] <RISC_> Disreali: dreams![02:02:16] *** RISC_ has quit IRC[02:02:46] <Disreali> nothithing wrong with dreams[02:04:33] *** OmniMancer1 has joined #haiku[02:05:35] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[02:11:14] *** adriano-src has quit IRC[02:14:19] *** RISC_ has joined #haiku[02:14:27] <RISC_> Disreali: yes[02:14:31] *** mmadia has quit IRC[02:14:31] *** mmadia42 has joined #haiku[02:15:56] <RISC_> mmadia42: graphite are in 4.4.4? It may speed up Haiku on multicore processor in theory...[02:16:14] <Disreali> anyone else notice that when you unmount a volume, it's icon changes to a file cabnet and never disappears?[02:16:56] <RISC_> no[02:17:03] <mmadia42> ... i'm not too familiar with the gcc optimizations and stuff. sorry[02:17:30] <RISC_> it changes and disappers.[02:17:50] <RISC_> mmadia42: ok, thx. going sleep.[02:18:00] <RISC_> see are ;)[02:18:03] *** RISC_ has quit IRC[02:22:27] <Disreali> here is a screencap http://imagebin.org/106015[02:22:58] <OmniMancer1> what was it that you unmounted?[02:23:00] <mmadia42> sometimes it happens to me, sometimes it doesn't.[02:23:11] <Disreali> I unmounted both non-boot volumes and the cabnet icns don't go away[02:23:26] <OmniMancer1> how many changes did you make to them?[02:23:45] <Disreali> I then mounted both volunes again and the cabnet icons still persist[02:23:49] <Xeon3D> also, what is that corruption around the launcher in the bottom...[02:23:54] <Disreali> no idea[02:24:07] <Xeon3D> and the feedback button near the deskbar...[02:24:24] * Xeon3D thinks Disreali's Haiku is haunted.[02:25:18] <Disreali> Xeon3D: are you refering to the WorkSpaces replicant?[02:25:47] <OmniMancer1> why are your icons so huge?[02:26:52] <Disreali> because I like them like that[02:28:08] <Disreali> first think I do on every install is to max the icon size to 64x64[02:31:22] <OmniMancer1> I think you should make it 900x900[02:32:00] * cpr420 has too many icons on his desktop to make them bigger[02:33:58] *** bbjimmy has joined #haiku[02:34:12] <OmniMancer1> make them 2x2 cpr420 :P[02:37:43] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[02:39:05] *** AlexFera has quit IRC[02:39:52] *** OmniMancer1 has quit IRC[02:49:39] *** b0nes65 has quit IRC[02:51:38] *** OmniMancer1 has joined #haiku[02:53:56] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[02:55:03] <CIA-37> czeidler * r37608 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/app/ (3 files): Always use the current decorator. This partially fix bug #6334.[02:55:36] *** ambroff has quit IRC[02:55:39] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[02:58:16] *** OmniMancer1 has quit IRC[03:01:36] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[03:12:07] <Xeon3D> meh damn work-neighbours changed their wifi password :/[03:12:07] <dru345> hi Xeon3D[03:12:07] <dru345> is that a problem? lol[03:12:07] <Xeon3D> yes, considering I was using it instead of this half-assed-dsl-that-loses-sync-every-minute[03:13:45] *** Barrett has quit IRC[03:15:03] <Xeon3D> It already dropped the connection 3 times since I came back :P[03:15:43] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[03:17:00] <Xeon3D> 4 times.[03:17:03] <Xeon3D> :([03:17:13] *** l_n has joined #haiku[03:17:13] *** l_n has joined #haiku[03:17:53] <Disreali> wb l_n[03:26:03] *** Duggan has joined #haiku[03:26:10] <dru345> wb Duggan[03:26:19] <Duggan> hey[03:26:36] <Duggan> I really don't know what the deal is with those KDLs... they only seem to happen on that one partition[03:28:17] <Duggan> and almost always when I click on tracker :/[03:28:46] <Duggan> or are navigating the menus in tracker[03:28:51] <Duggan> er sorry[03:28:53] <dru345> what is the partition? bfs?[03:28:54] <Duggan> not tracker, the deskbar :P[03:28:57] <Duggan> yep[03:29:06] <dru345> happens in deskbar??[03:29:12] <Duggan> I don't know why I always get tracker and the deskbar confused, just stupid I guess[03:29:15] <Duggan> yep[03:29:50] <dru345> could be entirely unrelated. what haiku u running?[03:30:02] <Duggan> just installed the "latest" build[03:30:12] <Duggan> installed it on this partition first, then the other....[03:30:19] <l_n> Disreali: hello. :)[03:30:21] <Duggan> 37607[03:30:24] <Duggan> hey l_n[03:30:32] <Duggan> l_n, I give up on fbsd[03:30:49] <Duggan> I was looking forward to it being a good OS and I know you like it and all.....[03:30:57] <l_n> if anyone has tested abuse-sdl on gcc2hybrid, could you please add a comment with your success or failure?[03:31:00] <Duggan> but frankly it sucks[03:31:03] <l_n> (on haikuware.com)[03:31:17] <l_n> Duggan: i thought that the first time i messed with fbsd, too.[03:31:27] <Duggan> no really, it sucks...[03:31:34] <Duggan> the guys in ##freebsd couldn't even figure it out[03:31:39] * l_n really *tried* to like plan9, but it was far too cumbersome to learn.[03:31:56] <Duggan> I like plan9 out of principle[03:32:07] <Duggan> just found my live cd of it yesterday too :)[03:32:31] <l_n> i just couldn't keep all of the mouse+keyboard stuff in my head.[03:32:58] <Disreali> Duggan; did you use plain FBSD? You shou try PC-BSD. all that stuff is already configured[03:33:04] <Disreali> it is really nice[03:33:06] <Duggan> anyway, when building x when it got to avant-window-navigator it gave me an error "pythonpython2.6 not in system path" or something like that[03:33:31] <Duggan> search google for "pythonpython2.6", I'd be surprised if anything comes up[03:33:56] <l_n> weird.[03:34:00] <Duggan> I've come to the conclusion that its a typo, but I can't find a makefile to change[03:34:06] <Duggan> but nobody else had that problem....[03:34:14] * l_n forgot to mention pkg_add for large things like X....[03:34:16] <Duggan> maybe a bad bit or something[03:34:20] * l_n lurks.[03:34:30] * Duggan slavers.[03:34:49] <l_n> Duggan: i decided to just lurk since i forgot to tell you about pkg_add[03:35:01] <Duggan> its in fbsd too?[03:35:05] <l_n> yea[03:35:06] <Duggan> is it precompiled?[03:35:11] <l_n> yep.. part of base[03:35:16] <Duggan> I mean, what you download is precompiled?[03:35:20] <l_n> yes.[03:35:26] <Duggan> :/[03:35:35] * dru345 giggles quietly[03:35:39] <Duggan> so what would I say, "pkg_add kde"?[03:35:52] <l_n> first, 'man pkg_add'[03:35:56] <Xeon3D> there should be a pkg_search as well...[03:36:05] <Duggan> ah[03:36:06] <Duggan> hey Xeon3D[03:36:26] <l_n> read that. and then use pkg_add to install large packages or just stuff you don't want to wait for.[03:36:48] <Xeon3D> argh[03:36:55] <Xeon3D> I'm getting tired of being disconnected...[03:37:01] <Duggan> I'm getting tired of KDLs :([03:37:18] <l_n> Xeon3D: disconnected from....[03:37:23] <Xeon3D> the internet[03:37:28] <Xeon3D> you don't see it due to my bnc[03:37:46] <l_n> oh. i discovered the other day that the mana world's server likes to boot me repeatedly.[03:38:12] <Duggan> how many config files are there for deskbar?[03:38:26] <l_n> i'm not sure whether it's the haiku client or tmw's server[03:38:28] <Duggan> hmm then again I guess I could just delete my config folder...[03:38:38] <l_n> Duggan: is that really wise?[03:38:41] <dru345> i think there's only deskbar[03:39:01] <Duggan> beats me, can't be less usable than it already is :/[03:39:47] <Duggan> my home directory is the only directory I haven't touched, so I assume theres something with the settings thats causing it to crash[03:40:04] <Duggan> either that or bfs isn't doing some error checking it should be doing and I've got a bad hd[03:40:30] <Duggan> because it only seems to be happening on that one partition[03:41:36] <Duggan> hmm...[03:42:02] <Duggan> what happens if theres a symlink in the leaf menu to a program that doesn't exist there anymore?[03:42:44] <dru345> i'll check[03:42:45] <l_n> the symlink breaks and the icon changes to the broken link icon[03:43:10] <l_n> Duggan: /boot/system/preferences/Deskbar[03:43:18] <l_n> (or is that the preflet?)[03:43:51] <CIA-37> czeidler * r37609 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/app/ (Decorator.cpp DefaultDecorator.cpp): Set look and flags at the correct position.[03:43:56] <Duggan> l_n I haven't touched my home directory so I'm wondering what kind of settings are in there that may crash it[03:44:03] <l_n> okay.. the only Deskbar_settings file is in /boot/home/config/settings[03:44:05] <dru345> l_n that's what it does for programs[03:44:40] <l_n> dru345: erm.. that's a bit of a vague statement..[03:46:09] <dru345> responding to you here: <l_n> (or is that the preflet?)[03:46:40] <dru345> the symlink just becomes a broken link icon.[03:46:49] <Duggan> yeah I tried it, thanks :)[03:47:02] <Duggan> hmm[03:47:26] * l_n tries to decide whether playing abuse or reading an asatru message board would be a better use of his time.[03:47:29] <Duggan> I guess I'll just copy my config folder over[03:47:43] <Duggan> no clue what asatru is, so I'd go with abuse[03:48:07] *** jmayfield_ has quit IRC[03:48:13] <Duggan> brb.... wish me luck...[03:48:40] *** Duggan has quit IRC[03:49:37] *** Duggan has joined #haiku[03:49:43] <Duggan> working so far....[03:50:31] <Duggan> if I don't say something else in 2 minutes its because my fist is poking through the backside of my screen[03:50:47] <l_n> Duggan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asatru[03:51:00] <Duggan> eh gotta reinstall web+ hehe[03:51:06] <Duggan> but so far everything seems to be working ok[03:51:41] <Duggan> brb[03:51:42] <l_n> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanic_Neopaganism[03:53:05] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[03:55:14] *** Sir_Konrad has quit IRC[03:58:17] <Disreali> l_n; trying abuse on r37590-2h[03:58:56] <l_n> Disreali: danke[03:59:12] <Disreali> I assume you start it in terminal?[03:59:26] <l_n> you don't have to...[03:59:48] <l_n> the edited config file in ~/.abuse has already had the data file directory changed.[04:00:02] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[04:01:06] <l_n> bbiaf[04:01:06] *** jmayfield_ has joined #haiku[04:01:12] *** CyberKitsune has joined #haiku[04:01:28] <CyberKitsune> So I saw a lot of work on the network stack~![04:03:22] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[04:03:43] <Disreali> uhg![04:04:41] <Disreali> how do I install the SDL-gcc4 libs onto a gcc2-hybrid? unzip to temp dir and move by hand?[04:07:41] <CyberKitsune> Just extract to /boot/[04:08:21] <Disreali> not a smart move when installing gcc4 libs onto a gcc2 install[04:08:29] *** HaikuBuntu has joined #haiku[04:08:39] *** Jondice has joined #haiku[04:09:02] <Disreali> ok. it work.[04:09:08] <CyberKitsune> yeah[04:09:13] <CyberKitsune> hybrid means both[04:09:42] <Disreali> but the libs are in seperate dirs[04:12:16] <Duggan> what was the name of that program again? pkg_?[04:12:47] <cpr420> don't you have tab-completion?[04:13:00] <Disreali> pkg_add[04:13:06] <Duggan> ah thanks Disreali[04:13:56] <Disreali> Duggan: are you trying to learn to use and admin BSD?[04:14:07] <Duggan> just trying to set it up right now :/[04:14:33] <Duggan> don't need it, just a toy more or less, but if I find it useful I may use it[04:14:59] <Disreali> ah...[04:15:20] <Duggan> if you've got some resources, I'd be happy to note them for future reference[04:15:24] <Disreali> I thought you wanted a BSD desktop[04:15:34] <Disreali> PC_BSD[04:15:42] <Duggan> ah[04:15:49] <Disreali> very nice bsd desktop[04:18:31] <Disreali> I installed it las month but really have not used it much. Seemed to have a nicer user experience that Ubuntu[04:18:31] *** Duggan has quit IRC[04:18:31] *** Duggan2 has joined #haiku[04:18:31] <Duggan2> just fscking KDLed again...[04:18:36] *** Duggan2 is now known as Duggan[04:18:39] <Disreali> are you deleting the patrtion before intalling new revs? if not, you may need to[04:19:15] <Duggan> I haven't been, though I've considered it... always worked fine before...[04:20:28] <Disreali> I always copy select settings dirs to a data volume, use drivesetup to delete and then recreate the partition, initialize, and then install.[04:21:03] <Disreali> I've not had good results with just copying a new rev onto an existing one[04:21:04] <l_n> Disreali: you copy common/lib/* to common/lib/gcc4/[04:21:34] <Disreali> l_n; that is what I did[04:21:35] <Duggan> I usually do have good luck, I guess its just getting corrupt or something[04:21:55] <mmadia42> btw, simply re-initializing is enough. there's no need to recreate the partition.[04:21:55] <Duggan> I delete all the files first (except home) then copy over[04:21:55] <l_n> it usually happens after 3 or 4 upgrades.[04:22:18] <Duggan> thanks mmadia42, I'll keep that in mind :)[04:22:25] <Duggan> do they know what the problem is?[04:22:28] * l_n just removes system/ and leaves common/ and home/[04:22:29] <Disreali> mmadia42; nice to know[04:22:33] <Duggan> and is it fixable?[04:23:04] <Disreali> is what fixable?[04:23:20] <Duggan> the issue making it such that you have to reinit the partition[04:23:31] <l_n> the not being able to update an existing install cleanly[04:23:37] <mmadia42> .... that's the same as reformatting a drive.[04:23:42] *** mmadia42 is now known as mmadia[04:24:01] <Disreali> no idea what the cause actually is. have you submitted a ticket?[04:24:06] * Xeon3D hopes it's net connections is stable[04:24:13] <Xeon3D> *his[04:24:13] <Duggan> no, nor have I checked.... I'm still not sure thats the problem :P[04:24:26] *** LoganA has quit IRC[04:24:37] <Duggan> brb[04:24:41] <Disreali> submit a ticket and attach the kdl output[04:25:27] *** CyberKitsune has quit IRC[04:25:34] <mmadia> for an alpha operating system, where libraries are being replaced, the format of settings files changed, and so on, you really shouldn't upgrade one revision to another.[04:25:40] *** CyberKitsune has joined #haiku[04:25:57] <Disreali> indeed[04:25:58] <l_n> mmadia: point taken[04:26:07] <Xeon3D> hmmm[04:26:11] <mmadia> you'd need a really good grasp of the changesets and how & what they affect.[04:26:24] <Xeon3D> i'm also getting graphic corruption on 37571[04:27:12] *** michaelvo has joined #haiku[04:27:42] <l_n> Disreali: how'd the test go?[04:28:17] <Disreali> As mentioned earier, it works[04:28:27] * l_n missed it :P[04:28:51] <Disreali> not sure I like the mechanics of the game, but that is completely unrelated[04:30:53] <Disreali> how dou you aim?[04:30:53] <l_n> the mouse[04:30:53] <Disreali> doh![04:30:53] <michaelvo> lol[04:30:53] <l_n> you move with the keyboard (i changed the movement from LEFT RIGHT UP DOWN to adws, respectively[04:30:53] <l_n> )[04:30:53] <l_n> it was easier on my eee that way. and figured it would be on a full-size desktop, too.[04:30:53] <Disreali> if you can, you may want to edit the description to mention how to get the sdl-gcc4 libs onto a gcc2 install[04:30:53] <l_n> the sdl-gcc4 libs have that info[04:30:53] <Disreali> ok[04:33:57] *** PathagenX has joined #haiku[04:33:57] <l_n> abuse gets insane once you get out of the first couple of levels.[04:33:57] *** PathagenX has joined #haiku[04:33:57] <l_n> massive amounts of enemies (and never enough ammo for the secondary weapons)[04:33:57] <l_n> if i get bored, i may dig into the network code and finish it.[04:33:57] *** PathagenX has quit IRC[04:33:57] <l_n> but, at the moment, i lack the motivation.[04:33:57] *** PathagenX has joined #haiku[04:33:57] *** LoganA has joined #haiku[04:33:57] <Duggan> l_n I guess thats why I never got past the first couple levels lol[04:33:57] <Disreali> hahaha[04:37:22] <Duggan> ok I guess its time I restart and try it out.... (and start reconfiguring stuff... again)[04:37:32] *** Duggan has quit IRC[04:38:22] *** Duggan has joined #haiku[04:38:34] <Duggan> alrighty...[04:38:58] <Disreali> l_n: if you really get bored/ambitious there are directions for sdlquke that I would appreciate help decyphering http://mapopa.blogspot.com/2010/06/quake-sdl-on-haikuos.html[04:39:30] <Duggan> I'd love to help if I had the data files for the quakes :/[04:39:33] <Duggan> well...[04:39:53] <Disreali> the guy has not yet replonded to my comment[04:40:49] * cpr420 hates when people don't replond :P[04:40:57] <Disreali> respond[04:41:57] <Xeon3D> erm, does someone have speedstep working?[04:42:07] *** Cubey has joined #haiku[04:42:10] <Cubey> hello[04:42:16] <Disreali> o/[04:42:17] <Xeon3D> I've read in pistooli's blog that it's working for him on a Thinkpad X31, but mine doesn't show a thing.[04:44:26] <Cubey> either i am a total and complete idiot (which I'm not doubting) or something is screwy about gnash.. i can't get it to work for anything :S[04:44:26] <Disreali> Xeon3D; iirc, it is not working for all cpu/chipset combinations[04:44:26] <Duggan> Cubey thats the flv thing right?[04:44:26] <Cubey> took me long enough to figure out at first that I didn't download actual gnash, but only the deps[04:44:27] <Cubey> yes[04:44:27] <Disreali> Cubey; gnash is a mess[04:44:27] <Duggan> yeah I got a black window, I thought that was doing pretty good[04:44:27] <Cubey> it's supposed to have a firefox plugin, people say it works but what the hell? how?[04:44:27] <Cubey> i get nothing[04:44:27] <Disreali> sound about right[04:44:27] <Cubey> that is, firefox says it needs a plugin blahblah[04:44:27] <Duggan> don't trust what people say when they post software on haikuware :P[04:44:27] <Duggan> eh it doesn't work in firefox as a plugin that I'm aware of...[04:44:27] <Disreali> you need to make a scarifice to get gnash to work[04:44:27] <Cubey> it says it does :S[04:44:44] <Duggan> you have to run bezilla from a terminal, then load up the video and it prints a bunch of crap out which you have to hand modify then start gnash with that....[04:45:01] <Duggan> at least the version I had required all that[04:45:01] <Cubey> ah[04:45:10] <Duggan> .... and still didn't work[04:45:10] <Cubey> sounds a bit like some crap i had read[04:45:18] <Cubey> i was like WTF?[04:45:30] <Duggan> yeah... it still doesn't work after all that[04:45:40] <Duggan> at least not for me[04:46:15] <Cubey> i'm about sick of hobby OS's.. as an end user. i had to go through hoops to even install it due to the webpositive issue[04:47:16] <OmniMancer> did we kidnap your children and tell you to install it and use it or they die Cubey?[04:47:36] <Cubey> and honestly, linux is just as bad in my opinion. i did a clean install of ubuntu (off a cd i have used a few times before!!) and from the getgo, grub was messed up, and i could never get nvidia drivers to install properly.[04:47:40] <Duggan> haiku has its quirks, but even in alpha its better than any other OS I've used (excluding some versions of windows (as sad to say as that is))[04:48:05] <Cubey> i'm not saying haiku is worthless, i'm just saying.. i guess i lack the patience for it[04:48:15] <Xeon3D> Cubey: what graphics card do you have?[04:48:30] <Xeon3D> Cubey: you also have to have in mind that Haiku is in Alpha state at the moment.[04:48:41] <Cubey> I have several to choose from. older nvidias. the cards work fine even in ol' BeOS R5[04:48:55] <Xeon3D> Old nvidias have problems with newer Xorg releases[04:49:05] <Cubey> seems so[04:49:11] <Xeon3D> it is so. :P[04:49:15] <Duggan> unfortunately all the driver stuff from BeOS isn't applicable, so whats there all had to be redone[04:49:31] <Cubey> although -- when i installed the same ubuntu release (same disc!) before it didnt have such problems..[04:49:31] <OmniMancer> Cubey: since we did not hold your children ransom for your use of haiku you should not act like we did[04:49:33] <cpr420> that's not really true[04:49:36] <Cubey> it's nutty[04:49:50] <Cubey> OmniMancer: eh?[04:50:07] <Cubey> OmniMancer: what on earth are you talking about?[04:52:03] <Cubey> I just commented how annoying it was about gnash.. pretty much[04:52:03] <Duggan> hmmm....[04:52:03] <Duggan> a relatively new feature in vlc is support for playing flvs.... I wonder if the version ported can do it...[04:52:15] <OmniMancer> Duggan: that is relatively new?[04:52:16] <Xeon3D> Duggan: it can.[04:52:22] <OmniMancer> I used it for a few years[04:52:23] <Duggan> Xeon3D sweet[04:52:41] <Cubey> i had divx playing moderately well in BeOS R5 except the video played a bit fast and the audio did too, trying to catch up[04:52:48] <OmniMancer> Cubey: you are complaining as if we are sitting there with a gun to your head making you use the software...[04:52:54] <Xeon3D> One way to watch youtube on Haiku is to download the videos using one of the two youtube downloaders and open the files in VLC[04:52:54] <Cubey> not really[04:53:09] <Cubey> Xeon3D: I see[04:55:07] <OmniMancer> Xeon3D: you can get the videos by some or other API I believe[04:55:07] <Duggan> Xeon3D downloaders? what are they and do I really need them? aren't they cached?[04:55:07] <Duggan> they = the videos[04:55:07] <Xeon3D> they're cached if you manage to play them I think[04:55:07] <Duggan> hmm[04:55:07] <Xeon3D> the downloaders get the .flv files from a provided yotuube link[04:55:07] <Xeon3D> *youtube[04:55:07] <Xeon3D> they're @ haikuware somewhere... search for tube[04:55:07] <Xeon3D> or greentube[04:55:07] <Duggan> alright, thanks[04:55:29] <OmniMancer> you can get the video by transforming the URL in a certain way :P[04:57:01] <Xeon3D> have I told you how much I hate web+?[04:57:23] <cpr420> have I told you how much I have people that hate web+?[04:57:28] <cpr420> *hate[04:58:11] *** cpr420 has left #haiku[04:58:17] <Xeon3D> I have to open up a Terminal to kill it everytime I want to close it.[05:01:22] <michaelvo> I like Web+[05:01:41] <Duggan> I like it... it just needs to mature a bit...[05:01:56] <michaelvo> stippi abandoned your puppy[05:02:04] <Duggan> Xeon3D you can't kill it through process controller?[05:02:14] <michaelvo> but with a little more effort will become very functional[05:02:27] <Xeon3D> prolly. thing is I shouldn't need to kill it in the first place.[05:03:05] <Duggan> well at least it doesn't kdl you like it does me[05:03:10] <Duggan> at least it doesn't do it often[05:03:46] <Xeon3D> I haven't seen a KDL since that networking bug I found (which was triggered by Web+, strangely)[05:04:16] *** dru345 is now known as kitchen345[05:04:33] <Duggan> l8r dru345[05:07:58] <Xeon3D> hmmm has anyone got QT 4.7 installed?[05:07:58] <l_n> tubepositive is better than greentube, IMO[05:08:30] <Duggan> I don't see it on haikuware[05:10:40] * l_n found it in ~2 secs :P[05:10:40] *** HaikuBuntu has quit IRC[05:11:57] <Duggan> didn't show up in search :/[05:12:03] <Duggan> er in the search for "tube" anyway[05:12:33] <l_n> it's because it's one word and the search doesn't tokenize any entries.[05:12:47] <l_n> s/entries/individual\ words/[05:12:51] <Duggan> ah :/[05:13:30] <Duggan> did the glass elevator fog up and break down?[05:15:46] *** Ignatius has joined #haiku[05:16:01] <Ignatius> word[05:16:11] <Duggan> yo/[05:16:21] <Ignatius> Haiku has come a long way no?[05:16:28] <Duggan> yep[05:16:33] <l_n> gn8[05:16:44] * l_n is idle: sleeping[05:16:46] <Duggan> l8r l_n[05:16:59] <Ignatius> Any idea what the software installation will be like? e.g. software manager ala ubuntu or sources?[05:17:21] <Duggan> there most likely will be a package manager of some sort[05:17:38] <Duggan> there is a temporary script called "installoptionalpackages" that operates as such at present[05:17:44] <Duggan> theres also www.haikuware.com[05:18:17] <Ignatius> Oh nice[05:18:36] <Ignatius> Realistically does the API resemble Beos at all?[05:18:45] <Ignatius> As far as app development goes?[05:18:54] <Duggan> for the most part I'd say yes[05:19:07] <Duggan> with some improvements[05:19:11] <Ignatius> Nice[05:19:50] <Ignatius> Is it a linux kernel?[05:19:59] <largo> no[05:20:02] <Duggan> no[05:20:07] <Ignatius> Custom?[05:20:13] <Duggan> yes, based on NewOS[05:20:30] <Ignatius> I see.[05:20:34] <Ignatius> Not familiar with that.[05:21:07] *** Disreali has quit IRC[05:21:12] <Duggan> thats why I said yes :)[05:21:13] <Duggan> lol[05:21:51] <Duggan> http://newos.org/[05:22:29] <Xeon3D> meh the QT 4.7 port has a stupid bug.[05:22:51] *** srbaker has joined #haiku[05:23:13] <michaelvo> Qt 4.7 are missing a lot of stuff[05:23:24] <michaelvo> only works the apps posted there[05:23:30] *** srbaker has quit IRC[05:23:36] <michaelvo> _setjmp not exists in Haiku?[05:23:49] <Xeon3D> michaelvo yeah, but the dragging windows bit is a bit messed up[05:24:00] <Xeon3D> first it would always drag them whenever the mouse entered the window[05:24:08] <Xeon3D> and now it doesn't drag/resize them at all...[05:24:18] <Xeon3D> (I opened up QT config preflet and closed it...)[05:24:32] <Ignatius> I shall return. Thanks for the info Duggan. 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Thanks gluon.[08:49:35] *** Shisui has quit IRC[08:50:22] *** doc_ has joined #haiku[08:51:40] *** DocPheniX has quit IRC[08:52:51] *** cpr420 has joined #haiku[08:53:03] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[08:58:11] *** handheldcar2 has joined #haiku[08:59:37] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[09:01:14] *** Shisui has joined #haiku[09:14:50] *** lorglas has quit IRC[09:19:55] *** jamy has joined #haiku[09:29:24] *** doc_ is now known as DocPheniX[09:32:20] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[09:33:55] *** handheldcar2 has quit IRC[09:36:42] *** Ziusudra has quit IRC[09:37:29] *** redblue has joined #haiku[09:38:12] *** GedMurphy has joined #haiku[09:44:22] *** cpr420 has quit IRC[09:44:29] *** handheldcar2 has joined #haiku[09:48:23] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[09:56:40] *** srbaker has quit IRC[09:57:13] *** handheldcar2 has quit IRC[09:58:07] *** Beyecixramd has joined #haiku[09:59:33] *** handheldcar2 has joined #haiku[10:00:35] <handheldcar2> spacebar @ boot for larger resolution \o/[10:01:18] <handheldcar2> didn't work[10:01:26] *** jmayfield_ has quit IRC[10:01:35] *** handheldcar2 has quit IRC[10:01:47] *** JoeyA has quit IRC[10:04:20] *** handheldcar2 has joined #haiku[10:05:13] <handheldcar2> had to edit safe mode to use larger resolution[10:06:26] *** Beyecixramd has quit IRC[10:07:00] *** RQ has joined #haiku[10:10:51] *** DocPheniX has quit IRC[10:11:16] *** DocPheniX has joined #haiku[10:16:31] *** b0nes65 has joined #haiku[10:19:47] *** toni__ has quit IRC[10:21:09] <CIA-37> bonefish * r37612 /haiku/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Patch by Alex Wilson: Added archiving/unarchiving support to BSplitView.[10:21:13] *** agent420 has joined #haiku[10:25:35] *** handheldcar2 has quit IRC[10:25:46] <CIA-37> bonefish * r37613 /haiku/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs):[10:25:46] <CIA-37> Patch by Alex Wilson:[10:25:46] <CIA-37> * Added support for archiving/unarchiving.[10:25:46] <CIA-37> * Coding style cleanup.[10:28:44] *** MasterStarman has joined #haiku[10:31:07] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[10:38:14] *** l_n has joined #haiku[10:38:14] *** l_n has joined #haiku[10:41:21] <CIA-37> bonefish * r37614 /haiku/trunk/src/tests/system/kernel/file_corruption/fs/Volume.cpp: When opening the device read-write failed, retry read-only.[10:46:59] <RQ> PulkoMandy: ping[10:47:49] <RQ> PulkoMandy: perhaps you know what striked text in the HTA means?[10:52:19] *** jamy has quit IRC[10:56:37] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[11:00:17] *** iIngenu has joined #haiku[11:00:34] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[11:04:17] <RQ> PulkoMandy: perhaps you know what striked text in the HTA means?[11:08:31] *** iIngenu_ has joined #haiku[11:11:10] *** iIngenu has quit IRC[11:15:44] <PulkoMandy> rq: these are old translations[11:15:59] <PulkoMandy> you don't need to update them, but you can use them as reference for newer things[11:16:20] <PulkoMandy> (for example if the english text was only slightly changed, there is another line that looks almost the same somewhere)[11:16:32] <RQ> i see[11:16:57] <RQ> I guess Travis should hide at least those that were not translated before[11:17:06] <RQ> empty text isn't such a good reference anyway[11:18:09] *** HaikuNightlyUser has joined #haiku[11:22:18] <HaikuNightlyUser> hi guys[11:22:42] <HaikuNightlyUser> i like the changes to the installoptionalpackage script[11:23:02] <HaikuNightlyUser> it shows what is installed and what can be[11:23:08] <HaikuNightlyUser> very useful[11:23:22] *** phoudoin has joined #haiku[11:23:39] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o phoudoin[11:26:12] *** Beyecixramd has joined #haiku[11:39:11] *** genki has joined #haiku[11:39:18] *** jamy has joined #haiku[11:44:15] *** Trezker has quit IRC[11:50:51] *** kitallis has quit IRC[11:52:11] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[11:52:45] <Anarchos> i linked against libbe and i get "libbeocaml.a(window.o):(.data.rel.ro._ZTV7OWindow[vtable for OWindow]+0xb8): undefined reference to `BWindow::Hide()'"[11:54:12] <mmu_screen> sure it's the right libbe ? (gcc4 or gcc2 ?)[11:54:18] <Anarchos> gcc4[11:54:51] <Anarchos> i use alpha/R2 hybrid and i setgcc to gcc4[11:55:57] <mmu_screen> sure you built it all with gcc4 ?[11:56:00] <mmu_screen> make clean maybe ?[11:56:36] <Anarchos> mmu_screen to be sure i recompile ocaml....[11:56:53] <Anarchos> mmu_screen for you it is a problem of gcc version ?[11:57:11] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[11:58:33] <mmu_screen> probably[11:58:46] <Anarchos> ok so my -L paths should be wrong[12:00:53] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[12:02:41] <Anarchos> mmu_screen i must specify /boot/system/lib/gcc4/libbe.so instead of -lbe ?[12:02:55] <HaikuNightlyUser> hiaku is so awesome[12:03:07] <Anarchos> HaikuNightlyUser yes it is :)[12:03:23] <mmu_screen> Anarchos: hm no[12:03:36] <mmu_screen> you must *not* use /system for libs[12:03:43] <mmu_screen> they are in /boot/develop/lib[12:04:00] <Anarchos> mmu_screen why not system ?[12:04:02] <mmu_screen> now, using setgcc should switch them accordingly[12:04:13] <mmu_screen> because they might not be the same as the one you target[12:04:30] <mmu_screen> you don't have custom -L something around, do you ?[12:05:01] <mmu_screen> the ones in /system are the one used for loading apps[12:05:18] <mmu_screen> but when linking one should use the one from develop/[12:05:22] <Anarchos> ok[12:05:46] <mmu_screen> this allows linking correctly when using setgcc, and even allows linking apps for R5 with an R5 devkit maybe, as I did on ZETA[12:05:53] <Anarchos> it is a bit tricky in my case because i compile my .cpp files throught the ocaml compiler[12:06:15] <mmu_screen> make sure it didn't detect some lib in /system[12:06:25] <mmu_screen> some bad ports tend to do it[12:06:32] <Anarchos> mmu_screen wow i am impressed. were you able to compile the haiku intel_extreme driver for R5 ?? i am interesting :)[12:06:39] <Anarchos> mmu_screen thus i do bad port :)[12:07:03] <mmu_screen> isn't there any arf to make it show the gcc args it uses ?[12:07:31] <mmu_screen> well I didn't try to use the R5 devkit on Haiku yet[12:08:09] <Anarchos> any arf ??[12:09:39] <phoudoin> arg[12:10:07] <Anarchos> yes there are[12:10:14] *** genki has quit IRC[12:11:47] <phoudoin> so if you can inspect which gcc args the ocaml compiler set, it could be useful[12:13:44] *** phoudoin sets mode: +v Anarchos[12:13:51] *** phoudoin sets mode: -v Anarchos[12:13:57] <Anarchos> gcc -Wl,-E -o 'ocaml-beos' -I'/boot/common/lib/ocaml' -L. -g -L. -g /tmp/camlprim98befb.c '-L/boot/common/lib/ocaml' '-lunix' '-lunix' 'libbeocaml.a' '/system/lib/libbe.so' '-lunix' '/system/lib/libbe.so' -lcamlrun -lroot -lnetwork -lncurses[12:13:58] <phoudoin> sorry[12:14:19] <phoudoin> here you go /system/lib/libbe.so[12:14:23] <Anarchos> it seems i link to the wrong one[12:14:25] <phoudoin> this one is gcc2[12:14:34] <Anarchos> ok i will correct it.[12:14:34] <phoudoin> under a gcc2 hybrid system...[12:14:58] <phoudoin> a -lbe should be right[12:15:18] <Anarchos> ok[12:15:45] <phoudoin> it works for -lroot and -lnetwork already ;-)[12:16:24] *** lorglas has joined #haiku[12:16:30] <phoudoin> Off-topic, but where is your TeXLive haiku port screenshot advertized on beosfrance !?[12:16:37] <Anarchos> phoudoin yes[12:16:42] <Anarchos> phoudoin i think so[12:17:12] <Anarchos> phoudoin well i did an article but when i joined the screenshot it didn't show up[12:17:27] <Anarchos> phoudoin oh and i did a port of nethack too :)[12:17:40] <mmu_screen> probably bad html[12:17:50] <phoudoin> +1[12:17:54] <Anarchos> mmu_screen i just use the button 'join an image'[12:18:11] <phoudoin> I've the same issue when I tried to include Debugger screenshot in my article...[12:18:19] *** kazoo has joined #haiku[12:18:50] <mmu_screen> must use <img> IIRC[12:19:14] <phoudoin> yep[12:19:23] <Anarchos> mmu_screen in my article ?[12:19:37] <phoudoin> yes, directly in the article content[12:19:52] <mmu_screen> WTF where did I put my password for this site[12:20:04] <phoudoin> lol, I've the same issue right now![12:20:15] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[12:21:44] <phoudoin> Regarding BeTeX compatiblity, do you have BeTeX source code?[12:22:07] *** Beyecixramd has quit IRC[12:22:23] <phoudoin> Beware, IIRC, BeTeX don't support space in path to TeX binaries...[12:22:26] <Anarchos> phoudoin no sorry[12:22:43] <mmu_screen> WTF, I have the ._ crappy resource fork but not the file left[12:22:46] <mmu_screen> curse OSX[12:22:47] <phoudoin> Anarchos: I've BeTeX source code.[12:23:28] <Anarchos> i am interested[12:23:48] <phoudoin> I guess you're ![12:24:16] *** lorglas has quit IRC[12:24:22] <phoudoin> Plus we both live in Bretagne![12:24:35] <PulkoMandy> oco has a port of LyX too (using Qt), you should get in touch with him too :)[12:24:40] <phoudoin> Not that it's related in any way, but... hey![12:24:57] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[12:25:08] <phoudoin> Too much people living in Bretagne...[12:25:28] <phoudoin> working/using Haiku, I mean.[12:25:58] <Anarchos> charlotte[12:26:03] *** redblue has quit IRC[12:26:07] *** Beyecixramd has joined #haiku[12:26:11] <phoudoin> It's weird. Anyway, I don't have access to my BFS volume from work, but I'll send you an email ASAP regarding BeTex source code.[12:26:51] <Anarchos> phoudoin ok[12:28:31] <Anarchos> th.x a lot[12:28:33] <phoudoin> I can't promise it will be today, as I've family visiting us for holidays... But this week.[12:29:37] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[12:30:36] <PulkoMandy> ah, the MacDecorator draws things again \o/[12:30:43] <PulkoMandy> now I have to fix MoveBy...[12:30:59] <PulkoMandy> (having all the decorators locked at top-left of screen isn't very practical)[12:31:09] *** AlexFera has joined #haiku[12:31:19] *** kPb_in has joined #haiku[12:32:44] <phoudoin> PulkoMandy: it's a feature, not a bug: top-left locked menu is a long tradition in Apple land! ;-)[12:33:20] <phoudoin> muscle memory, etc.[12:33:35] <PulkoMandy> :p[12:33:52] <PulkoMandy> it's not the menu, it's the window border&tab[12:33:58] <PulkoMandy> so you can't move nor resize...[12:34:19] *** kazoo has quit IRC[12:36:26] <Anarchos> phoudoin did you see the problem with my screenshot in beosfrance ?[12:37:29] <mmu_screen> what's the url again ?[12:38:06] <mmu_screen> when you use the image button it says it is copied to images/articles[12:38:12] <mmu_screen> doesn't say it will be used :p[12:38:30] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[12:38:37] <Anarchos> mmu_screen ok[12:38:59] <mmu_screen> so you probably need to use <img src="images/articles/foo.png">[12:39:13] <Anarchos> mmu_screen i will edit it :)[12:40:36] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[12:41:02] <PulkoMandy> ok, it works[12:41:14] <PulkoMandy> and points to a bug in te way terminal is resized ...[12:41:59] *** Trezker has joined #haiku[12:42:50] <mmu_screen> if you can also get this grey scrollbar removed in fullscreen too..[12:44:04] <CIA-37> pulkomandy * r37615 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/decorators/ (BeDecorator/BeDecorator.cpp MacDecorator/MacDecorator.cpp):[12:44:04] <CIA-37> * BeDecorator : use _InvalidateFootprint as in the default decorator.[12:44:04] <CIA-37> * MacDecorator : use _InvalidateFootprint and implement _MoveBy. This makes the MacDecorator work fine again.[12:45:46] <mmu_screen> where is the Amiga one ?[12:45:48] <mmu_screen> :p[12:47:39] *** Trezker has quit IRC[12:47:49] <mmu_screen> Anarchos: hmm inlining isn't always the best looking :p[12:48:08] <mmu_screen> what about between the 2 sentenses ?[12:48:29] *** Trezker has joined #haiku[12:48:38] *** HaikuNightlyUser has quit IRC[12:48:56] <Anarchos> mmu_screen inlining what ?[12:49:18] <mmu_screen> the image[12:49:59] <Anarchos> mmu_screen yes i have problem with the size :)[12:51:06] <RQ> by the way, is there a way to update my haiku installation to latest revision?[12:51:14] <Anarchos> mmu_screen don't know how to have size not too high but still readable :/[12:51:36] <PulkoMandy> the amiga one will come... but I want to fix the existing ones before[12:51:44] <PulkoMandy> and I'm supposed to work on localization ):[12:51:52] <Anarchos> RQ download a latest haiku nightly build image on a usb key, boot on it, use installer in "replace mode" to keep your personal files[12:52:02] <RQ> ah, ok[12:52:15] <RQ> having a built in updater would be nice though :)[12:52:24] <RQ> so that I could check for updates, like in Windows :)[12:53:47] <Anarchos> RQ why check for updates when your software is stable and bug free ? ;)[12:54:04] <RQ> because it's not yet[12:54:29] <RQ> and I doubt it could be ;)[12:54:52] *** CyberKitsune has quit IRC[12:56:14] *** Leo2_ has quit IRC[12:56:46] *** Leo2_ has joined #haiku[12:58:07] *** Cubey has quit IRC[12:58:11] *** Leo2_ has quit IRC[12:58:13] <RQ> by the way: I really don't like the way top menu on haiku-os.org works. I wish all menus would expand on hover, not just the current one.[12:59:19] <RQ> e.g. I can't find right now where to download nightlies[13:00:16] <PulkoMandy> http://haiku-files.org[13:00:25] *** Cubey has joined #haiku[13:01:07] <PulkoMandy> the nightlies are hidden on purpose, wedon't want people to risk their data and/or get a bad impression[13:03:48] <Anarchos> mmu_screen i added a smaller image :)[13:10:45] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[13:35:26] <CIA-37> pulkomandy * r37616 /haiku/trunk/ (5 files in 4 dirs):[13:35:26] <CIA-37> * Remove the CatalogStub class and put the Gatcatalog function directly in BLocaleRoster,[13:35:26] <CIA-37> * Adjust the B_TRANSLATE macros to take this into account[13:35:26] <CIA-37> * Adjust collectkatkeys to take it into account too[13:35:26] <CIA-37> Thanks to Ingo for explaining me all the technical details about hiding things in shared objects.[13:36:35] *** jamy has quit IRC[13:37:13] *** warpdesign has joined #haiku[13:37:20] *** jamy has joined #haiku[13:40:04] *** Barrett has quit IRC[13:44:58] *** raichoo has joined #haiku[13:51:06] *** The123king has joined #haiku[13:52:39] *** raichoo has quit IRC[13:56:42] *** iIngenu_ has quit IRC[14:05:03] * phoudoin is away for lunch[14:06:18] *** ali3n0 has joined #haiku[14:09:16] *** warpdesign has quit IRC[14:13:05] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[14:22:28] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[14:23:08] <Disreali> morning[14:27:32] *** The123king has quit IRC[14:28:21] *** raichoo has joined #haiku[14:29:58] *** brobostigon has joined #haiku[14:30:39] <brobostigon> afternoonings all.[14:33:12] <ali3n0> hi folks. afternoon here[14:35:44] *** Barrett has quit IRC[14:37:30] *** b0nes65 has quit IRC[14:58:10] <gluon> hi ali3n0, afternoon here too[14:58:56] <brobostigon> afternoonings ali3n0 and gluon[14:59:21] <ali3n0> anyone with an eeepc 701 here? I'm running r1a2 here but it seems too hot to me... maybe fan control has to be tweakened?[15:00:10] <gluon> ali3n0: dont have an eeepc :\[15:00:12] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[15:00:46] <RQ> PulkoMandy: where do I find the bluetooth preflet?[15:00:57] <Disreali> ali3n0; those that do are not here atm[15:01:05] <brobostigon> i have an eeepc 900 here, and it seems ok.[15:01:08] <ali3n0> gluon, seems very responsive though[15:01:24] <ali3n0> the only weird thing is the temperature[15:01:35] <PulkoMandy> RQ: it's not in the default builds[15:01:45] <PulkoMandy> you have to build it yourself if you want it[15:01:56] <RQ> ah[15:02:09] <RQ> i thought I would look at what the translation looks like in it[15:02:16] <Disreali> RQ; iirc, you have to edit your UserBuildConfig to add Bluetooth when you conpile your own revs[15:02:38] <RQ> i'm not gonna compile :)[15:02:46] <PulkoMandy> ali3n0: there is no fan control at all yet... some machines set the fan to the max speed, some others don't do it and in this case it can get pretty hot, yes[15:03:03] <RQ> hm, why are there two mentions of ICU licensing in the about dialog?[15:03:18] <RQ> it looks somewhat redundant[15:03:32] <PulkoMandy> likely because I did something wrong :)[15:03:43] <ali3n0> PulkoMandy, ah yeah makes sense[15:03:59] <ali3n0> I remember a linux module on google code[15:04:09] <ali3n0> just to handle eeepc fan[15:04:37] <PulkoMandy> RQ: ok, I'll try to find the second one and clean it up. Thanks for reporting :)[15:04:48] <RQ> ok :)[15:05:03] <RQ> don't you think it makes sense to enable bluetooth by default in nightlies?[15:05:08] *** iIngenu has joined #haiku[15:05:15] <RQ> even if it's nonfunctional[15:08:08] <CIA-37> pulkomandy * r37617 /haiku/trunk/src/ (28 files in 10 dirs):[15:08:08] <CIA-37> * Fix all localized applications, as an include was missing in some of them[15:08:08] <CIA-37> * dstcheck : the generated catalog is now 'dstcheck.catkeys' instead of 'en.catkeys', so that it does not conflict with[15:08:08] <CIA-37> other localized apps in the bin/ folder.[15:08:24] <PulkoMandy> It's developper choice[15:08:38] <RQ> hm[15:08:46] <RQ> it's hard to localize what you don't see :)[15:11:41] <mmu_screen> BOM…[15:12:12] <CIA-37> pulkomandy * r37618 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/aboutsystem/AboutSystem.cpp: * Following the outsourcing ofICU as an optional package, it was listed twice in AboutSystem. Thanks to RQ for noticing ![15:12:24] <PulkoMandy> here, fixed :)[15:13:17] <Disreali> why was ICU removed from trunk repo? If it was on the ml I don't recall seeing thread.[15:13:29] <Disreali> I'm just curious[15:13:38] <PulkoMandy> because it's useless to have it there[15:13:47] <PulkoMandy> and it increases build time and waste space[15:14:06] <Disreali> make sence[15:14:13] <PulkoMandy> we're going to do the same for most of the things we imported from other places[15:14:22] <PulkoMandy> it makes it easier to send the patches upstream[15:14:46] <mmu_screen> except it makes it harder to port to other archs[15:14:47] <PulkoMandy> which reminds me... I fixed some actual bugs in ICU4.4, likely I sjould report them ...[15:14:59] <Disreali> since they don't update that much, it is easier to have then optpkgs. sound thinking[15:15:22] <PulkoMandy> mmu_screen: build the m68k optional package, and be done with it :)[15:15:43] <PulkoMandy> shouldn't be too hard if you have the compiler ?[15:15:57] <RQ> PulkoMandy: there's also APR and APR-util, iconv and libiconv, libxml2 and "libxml2, libxslt"[15:16:12] <mmu_screen> tss[15:16:29] <Disreali> man... I just finished jamming r37616[15:17:15] <Disreali> PulkoMandy; how necessary is changeset 37617?[15:17:30] <PulkoMandy> if you managed to build, it's not :)[15:17:45] <Disreali> ok[15:18:03] <RQ> PulkoMandy: can you rename all english catkeys to appname.catkeys instead of en.catkeys?[15:18:13] *** jmelesky has joined #haiku[15:18:32] <PulkoMandy> I could yes, but then how would we know they are in english ?[15:18:34] *** Beyecixramd has quit IRC[15:18:48] <RQ> PulkoMandy: we just would[15:18:54] <PulkoMandy> libiconv is going to fade away, we'll use ICU instead[15:19:23] <RQ> how do you know dstcheck.catkeys is english? :D[15:19:41] <RQ> you just do[15:19:46] <RQ> same would go for other apps[15:21:53] <Disreali> not very sound logic[15:22:33] <RQ> what will you do when you'll have an en-GB or en-AU localizer?[15:22:57] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[15:23:43] <RQ> ok, that wasn't really relevant. But I don't think appname.catkeys is a bad name for a template[15:23:46] <PulkoMandy> like for brazilian portuguese, there is a pt.catkeys and a pt_br.catkeys with only the strings different from 'generic portuguese'[15:24:59] <RQ> well, like i said[15:26:06] * Disreali is idle: food[15:26:27] <RQ> the reason I want to avoid it is to get rid of one additional step when updating reference texts in Pootle[15:28:33] *** kitallis has joined #haiku[15:30:09] *** raichoo has quit IRC[15:30:46] *** jamy has quit IRC[15:33:09] <RQ> PulkoMandy: BTW, if there will be multiple catkeys templates in bin/, how do you intent to handle multiple localizations?[15:33:19] <RQ> will they be named appname-lang.catkeys?[15:34:41] <PulkoMandy> yes[15:34:41] *** brobostigon has quit IRC[15:35:05] <RQ> :| damn[15:35:22] <PulkoMandy> well... or maybe we'll find something else[15:35:57] <PulkoMandy> this means I have to mess with jamfiles again, and I'm not really willing to do that...[15:36:02] <RQ> we should... cause that sounds kinda messy[15:36:31] <PulkoMandy> well, for me, appname-lang or appname/lang doesn't change much[15:36:50] *** mawst has joined #haiku[15:36:50] *** Barrett has quit IRC[15:38:00] *** handheldcar2 has joined #haiku[15:38:56] <RQ> well, it changes something for me :)[15:39:30] *** handheldcar2 has quit IRC[15:40:55] *** handheldcar2 has joined #haiku[15:44:26] *** adriano-src has joined #haiku[15:46:30] *** handheldcar2 has quit IRC[15:46:41] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[15:48:43] *** brobostigon has joined #haiku[15:54:56] *** handheldcar2 has joined #haiku[15:56:07] *** handheldcar2 has quit IRC[16:01:39] *** kPb_in has quit IRC[16:03:44] *** naaina has quit IRC[16:03:58] *** oZ] has joined #haiku[16:09:18] *** Iourarum has joined #haiku[16:16:24] *** jamy has joined #haiku[16:18:25] *** lorglas has joined #haiku[16:23:23] *** Duggan has joined #haiku[16:24:07] *** jamy has quit IRC[16:33:28] *** vision2 has joined #haiku[16:33:33] *** iIngenu has quit IRC[16:33:59] *** vision2 has left #haiku[16:34:58] <gluon> getting this error when cross-compiling the lastest revision:[16:35:00] <gluon> src/servers/print/PrintServerApp.R5.cpp:89: error: 'be_locale_roster' was not declared in this scope[16:35:13] <gluon> anyone else experiencing this?[16:35:31] <mmadia> yeah, it's been reported by BOM.[16:35:40] <gluon> oh thanks[16:36:04] <mmadia> http://www.freelists.org/post/haiku-commits/BOM-r37616-PrintServerAppR5cpp89-error-be-locale-roster-was-not-declared-in-this-scope[16:37:10] *** xray7224 has quit IRC[16:37:21] <gluon> reading...[16:38:38] <gluon> is Build-O-Matic some sort of automated build test?[16:39:21] <mmadia> yes, homegrown. eventually it'd be nice to have it replaced with an actual BuildBot[16:40:17] <gluon> nice[16:40:34] *** xray7224 has joined #haiku[16:41:15] <mmadia> btw, updating your sources will resolve the issue.[16:41:23] <Duggan> gluon its already fixed[16:41:33] <gluon> was updating right now :)[16:41:36] <gluon> thanks[16:41:39] <Duggan> PulkoMandy is talking about it in dev right now[16:41:45] <Duggan> was fixed with 37617[16:42:26] <PulkoMandy> sorry for breaking the build again...[16:42:40] <Duggan> hehe its ok, we're getting used to it ;)[16:43:13] <Duggan> can't make a cake without breaking a few eggs, eh?[16:43:38] <gluon> yeah, you need to break to move forward[16:43:58] <PulkoMandy> broken things should not be committed[16:44:21] *** iIngenu has joined #haiku[16:44:45] <gluon> yeah, but you're still human after all...[16:45:51] <gluon> actually it's the first time I'm building haiku[16:46:36] <gluon> how much time does it usually take on modern hardware[16:46:57] *** Sir_Konrad has joined #haiku[16:47:49] <humdinger> gluon: If you're not doing a clean build (jam -a) I'd say about 20-30 minutes.[16:47:53] <PulkoMandy> the first time, I'd say up to an hour[16:48:00] <humdinger> My harddisk is fantastically slow though...[16:48:02] <PulkoMandy> if it's the first time, it's a clean build :)[16:48:17] <humdinger> your not wrong :)[16:48:59] <gluon> :)[16:52:21] <Duggan> speaking of which, I need to recheckout the source and rebuild...[16:53:48] <humdinger> Is there still a tar ball of the source anywhere?[16:54:01] <humdinger> Saves some time instead of a svn checkout.[16:54:38] <gluon> humdinger: are you doing the 'de' localization? Have you noticed any problem in HTA regarding the Deskbar catalog?[16:55:15] <humdinger> I just recently had a look and some translating at HTA.[16:55:23] <humdinger> I can have a look at Deskbar.[16:55:45] <Duggan> what ever happened to the glass elevator?[16:56:12] <humdinger> wrong computer... what's the URL again, gluon?[16:56:13] <PulkoMandy> it disappeared, as did the other teams, over time[16:56:21] <Duggan> the other teams?[16:56:23] <PulkoMandy> hta.polytect.org[16:56:30] <humdinger> thanks[16:56:48] <gluon> there are 2 issues: 1. the pie chart for deskbar always stays black (even if it's 100% translated/accepted) and 2. if you check Deskbar on other languages you find only the first 3 fields translated[16:56:54] <gluon> which seems weird[16:57:09] <PulkoMandy> Dugganwhen haiku development started the work was split in different teams : media, interface, ... (mostly one for each kit in haiku + kernel, ...)[16:57:15] <PulkoMandy> the glass elevator was one of the team[16:57:17] <mmadia> is hta.polytect.org going to be migrated to haiku-os.org?[16:57:35] <PulkoMandy> but in the end, there were not so much devs and each of them ended up working in unexpected places[16:57:42] <Duggan> ah[16:57:46] <PulkoMandy> so the whole concept of teams faded away[16:57:56] <Duggan> gotcha[16:57:57] <gluon> url: http://hta.polytect.org/[16:58:03] <PulkoMandy> which is good on the code size, but also meant the loss of the documentation team[16:58:34] <humdinger> gluon: the German Deskbar is completely orange. And it looks completely translated.[16:59:16] <humdinger> wait a minute... now it comes back to me.[16:59:27] <Duggan> thats a pretty cool website...[16:59:30] <humdinger> I was the one doing the translation recently... :)[16:59:34] <PulkoMandy> :)[16:59:43] <Duggan> lol humdinger[16:59:49] <PulkoMandy> think about getting the translations approved by someone else[16:59:57] <PulkoMandy> or they will never be integrated in haiku ...[17:00:29] <gluon> humdinger: oh, that's ok. orange means translated but not approved which is the case[17:00:46] <Duggan> maybe I could convince my best friend to help... not that you guys would need help with german translation hehe[17:00:47] <Duggan> I wish I could learn Japanese :/[17:00:51] <gluon> but check the deskbar on portuguese[17:01:12] <PulkoMandy> gluon: I suspect a bug related to handling of pt_br for the brazilian guys[17:01:14] <humdinger> Duggan: Help is always welcome.[17:01:35] <humdinger> Dammit. Do we really have to have every spoken language in that dropdown menu?![17:02:02] *** Iourarum has left #haiku[17:02:17] <gluon> PulkoMandy: makes sense[17:02:21] <Duggan> :O nobody's started the latin translation!?[17:02:31] <PulkoMandy> nor the klingon one[17:02:32] <humdinger> KLingon first...[17:02:35] <PulkoMandy> sadly :)[17:02:37] <humdinger> zing![17:02:41] <gluon> smoke singns![17:03:02] <PulkoMandy> A D'ni one would be nice too... but we don't have the font for that yet[17:03:18] *** odites has joined #haiku[17:03:23] <Duggan> D'ni sweet XD[17:03:38] <Duggan> +1[17:03:53] <humdinger> Can once approved strings edited again willy-nilly?[17:04:06] <PulkoMandy> yes, editing will just unaprove them[17:04:08] <Duggan> I wonder if we could make webpages that would bring us to other worlds...[17:04:17] <gluon> yeap[17:04:22] <humdinger> PulkoMandy: that's probably not that cool...[17:04:45] <PulkoMandy> you can revalidate them yourself anyway...[17:04:53] <Duggan> do like google and add the swedish chef language BORK BORK BORK![17:05:02] <humdinger> I'm thinking about how to cooperate between localization and user guide translation.[17:05:13] <gluon> makes sense[17:05:24] <Duggan> sweet, Lojban is in the list...[17:05:32] <humdinger> You can't have anyone fiddle with the once approved localization. Because the user guide may become wrong...[17:06:04] <PulkoMandy> well, the idea is that it isn't enforced by the tools[17:06:11] *** Sloar has joined #haiku[17:06:17] <gluon> localization terminology should strictly comply with user guide terminology for instance[17:06:26] <PulkoMandy> like svn allows me to commit things anywhere, but I'd rather avoid low-level part of the kernel and filesystem[17:06:42] <humdinger> I'd like to (for the German anyway) have some effort to finnish the localization, approve every string and then update the user guide.[17:07:04] <PulkoMandy> use the i18n ml to coordinate[17:07:07] <gluon> humdinger: that's my plan for 'pt' too[17:07:15] <humdinger> After that, if anything needs to be changed in the localization, it has to be deiscussed first to keep the user guide synched.[17:07:27] <Duggan> my best friend is minoring in German in college, and he's not a rabid Haiku user like myself, but he's somewhat interested in it[17:07:38] <PulkoMandy> I tend to do the french localization when I'm bored while haiku builds... noone seems to validate my work anyway :([17:07:43] <Duggan> nobody's ported Diablo II so thats not helping either :/ lol[17:08:08] <PulkoMandy> time will come...[17:08:34] <PulkoMandy> there are open source versions of Star Control 2, transport tycoon, heroes of might and magic 2, and command&conquer[17:08:46] <PulkoMandy> and more and more complicated games as time goes on[17:08:52] <Duggan> sc2 ftw[17:09:03] <Duggan> believe it or not I liked sc3 :/[17:10:16] <humdinger> Can anyone set/unset validation at HTA?[17:10:50] <gluon> humdinger: yap[17:10:59] <gluon> maybe only the lanaguage manager should be allowed?[17:11:03] <humdinger> Maybe this should change.[17:11:15] *** raichoo has joined #haiku[17:11:21] <PulkoMandy> the tool doesn't enforce anything[17:11:31] *** RQ has quit IRC[17:11:37] <gluon> ACL based authentication is a PITA in CakePHP[17:11:39] <PulkoMandy> we're waiting for input from the translators to see how we're going to do it[17:11:42] <gluon> but travis is good[17:11:43] <humdinger> Is Travis on the i18n ml?[17:12:00] <humdinger> OK.[17:12:21] <humdinger> PulkoMandy: So you guys are aware of the issue.[17:12:38] <PulkoMandy> well, I am at least[17:12:44] <humdinger> Good :)[17:12:50] <PulkoMandy> and I don't consider it an issue as long as there is no report :)[17:13:07] <Duggan> erm... why does selecting Russion cause it to change to a random language?[17:13:15] <PulkoMandy> (like for many other locale related problems)[17:13:20] <Duggan> er[17:13:26] <Duggan> Russian.... wtf is wrong with me today...[17:13:46] <gluon> pt is being translated only by me and Xeon3D so we agreed that only I aprove. This could be an issue on bigger teams tough[17:13:49] <humdinger> OK. Should I write a little post to the i18n ml to outline the "problem"?[17:14:14] <PulkoMandy> no idea... ask the other language teams to see how they work[17:15:01] <humdinger> OK.[17:15:18] <PulkoMandy> mh... the Tour de France arrival is just below my window today... it's really noisy, with helicopters and all :/[17:15:24] <Duggan> speaking of which, why isn't there a russian IRC channel?[17:15:33] *** acous has quit IRC[17:15:40] <humdinger> open one Duggan :)[17:15:43] <PulkoMandy> no one created it :)[17:15:56] <humdinger> there isn't a german one either .)[17:15:59] <gluon> PulkoMandy: if you are the one doing the french transltion of the user guide then I'm 'aproving' your work :)[17:16:00] *** Skipp_OSX has joined #haiku[17:16:01] <Duggan> I don't know russian (though I've tried, I do have the alphabet down pat :P)[17:16:15] <Duggan> humdinger hmm good point I guess lol[17:16:15] <PulkoMandy> I didn't touch the user guide, only the apps[17:16:20] <gluon> sometimes I read it and your translation style is always similar to mine[17:16:22] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[17:16:26] <gluon> ok then[17:16:35] *** The123king has joined #haiku[17:16:36] *** The123king has joined #haiku[17:16:41] <Duggan> hey The123king[17:16:44] <PulkoMandy> and I have no idea who's working on the userguide[17:16:50] <humdinger> PulkoMandy: Up to now, the userguide didn't do any localization of screenshots, menus etc.[17:17:07] <PulkoMandy> yes[17:17:31] <Anarchos> " libbeocaml.a(view.o): In function `b_view_frame': /Data/beos/view.c:811: undefined reference to `operator new(unsigned long)' "[17:17:32] <PulkoMandy> I think the plan was to build some hey-script to batch-screenshot every app[17:17:35] <humdinger> Apps were too much in flux, I wonder if things have calmed down enough....[17:17:41] <PulkoMandy> so you just select the locale, run it, upload[17:17:43] <Anarchos> i am linking against gcc4 libs though[17:18:00] <PulkoMandy> you need libstdc++[17:18:01] <Skipp_OSX> humdinger, and it does localize screenshots now? http://www.haiku-os.org/docs/userguide/fr/filesystem-layout.html[17:18:06] <PulkoMandy> and maybe libsupc++ too[17:18:14] <gluon> here's my first build stats:[17:18:15] <gluon> real 28m37.199s[17:18:15] <gluon> user 24m54.281s[17:18:16] <gluon> sys 2m28.161s[17:18:16] <Anarchos> PulkoMandy they aren't default ?[17:18:20] <gluon> not bad[17:18:43] <humdinger> Skipp_OSX: It's of course possible, but (speaking for the German translation) wasn't done yet.[17:18:44] <Anarchos> gluon it takes me hours for jam to complete a haiku build :/[17:18:45] <PulkoMandy> Anarchos: not sure... in haiku we have to add them by hand[17:18:59] <PulkoMandy> depends on the tools you use too... g++ is different to gcc[17:19:24] <The123king> hola[17:19:40] <humdinger> allo[17:20:05] <Skipp_OSX> Anarchos, in Haiku's defense you are compiling an entire operating system[17:20:24] <Skipp_OSX> how long do you think it takes to compile the latest revision of Windows?[17:20:49] <The123king> well in all fairness, It's Windows[17:20:56] <The123king> it could take weeks[17:20:56] <Anarchos> Skipp_OSX no idea , i don't work for microsoft :)[17:21:12] *** acous has joined #haiku[17:21:50] *** gwenael has quit IRC[17:21:58] <The123king> Really if you're compiling your own Haiku images, you need a pretty hefty machine. I have a 3GHz dual core myself[17:24:02] <PulkoMandy> well I have a single core1.7GHz and it's ok[17:24:29] <Duggan> I think I'm going to have to port my wallpaper switcher...[17:24:44] <humdinger> I think the bottleneck may be more the harddisk.[17:25:31] <Duggan> humdinger it is, especially if it pages while building the dependency graph :/[17:25:34] <The123king> True, HDD's are the bottlenecks really now...[17:26:04] <Duggan> wasn't that long ago that there was no virtual memory and you couldn't build on a system with limited RAM lol[17:37:25] <ali3n0> guys, is there a way to make webpositive not to full screen as I start it up?[17:37:52] *** gwenael has joined #haiku[17:38:02] <humdinger> ali3n0: It should remember its state...[17:38:14] <ali3n0> I can't make it smaller[17:38:21] <ali3n0> I mean, don't know how[17:38:41] <humdinger> F11 or ALT+RETURN toggles fullscreen.[17:39:19] <ali3n0> yeah, I remove it from the drop down win too but is still full[17:39:23] <Duggan> sweet.... source control support in Paladin 1.3... now when's it gonna be out? :/[17:39:30] *** _arjen_ has joined #haiku[17:39:50] <Anarchos> ali3n0 launch the desktop applet "workspaces" to move window taking all the room[17:40:48] *** toni__ has joined #haiku[17:41:16] <ali3n0> Anarchos, cool! tnx[17:43:15] *** Sloar has left #haiku[17:44:05] <CIA-37> pulkomandy * r37619 /haiku/trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs): * Remove direct access to ICU in locale preflet, use the locale kit instead.[17:47:03] *** srbaker has joined #haiku[17:54:40] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[17:54:40] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[17:59:31] <CIA-37> pulkomandy * r37620 /haiku/trunk/src/preferences/locale/TimeFormatSettingsView.cpp: * Remove an useless BBox, because BBox nesting looks just too ugly.[18:08:22] * ali3n0 wonders how to call Team Monitor within virtualbox[18:09:06] <CIA-37> zooey * r37621 /haiku/branches/developer/zooey/posix-locale/src/system/libroot/posix/locale/LocaleBackend.cpp:[18:09:06] <CIA-37> Fix loading of libroot-addon-locale.so on hybrid systems:[18:09:06] <CIA-37> * do not use fixed path /system/lib for the addon library (no wonder it[18:09:06] <CIA-37> wasn't working ...)[18:09:06] <CIA-37> * use dlopen() instead of load_add_on() for the actual loading of the image[18:12:06] *** humdinger has quit IRC[18:15:35] <ali3n0> so... /boot is at haiku as / is at unix?[18:15:49] *** odites has quit IRC[18:17:00] *** raichoo has quit IRC[18:17:15] <Skipp_OSX> ali3n0, I think / is to Haiku as / is to Unix[18:17:43] <ali3n0> mmm, but I see everything seems to be stuffed under /boot[18:17:50] <ali3n0> i.e., the home dir[18:18:11] *** phoudoin has left #haiku[18:18:20] <Duggan> ali3n0 yes, /boot is to haiku as / is to unix[18:18:50] <Duggan> test[18:18:52] <Duggan> hmm[18:19:01] <Duggan> ... / is a bit different for haiku in that it doesn't really exist[18:19:08] <ali3n0> I'm testing on virtualbox[18:19:15] <ali3n0> yep, I started from df output[18:19:25] <ali3n0> where there's no / ![18:19:31] <ali3n0> just /boot[18:19:31] *** The123king has quit IRC[18:19:40] <Duggan> there is / ... just not as you'd normally think of it[18:19:41] <ali3n0> now I'm wandering a bit around the shell[18:20:02] <Duggan> if you open a terminal and cd back a couple directories, you'll see that / exists, it just doesn't..... "exist"[18:20:03] <ali3n0> yeah, is clean by the way, I like it[18:20:26] <ali3n0> /dev is unix like though[18:20:49] <Duggan> yes, but Haiku isn't based on *nix[18:21:34] <ali3n0> but has been contaminated a bit ;)[18:21:47] <Duggan> lol not as much as you'd think[18:22:01] <ali3n0> I'm curious[18:22:21] <Duggan> a little code here and there, especially drivers, was borrowed from bsd, but thats about it[18:22:31] <ali3n0> cool[18:22:44] <ali3n0> so, let's say, cpu scheduler is from scratch?[18:22:59] <ali3n0> ah, more important: what about swap?[18:23:00] <Duggan> either that or based on what existed in NewOS[18:23:08] <Duggan> swap is entirely native[18:23:19] <ali3n0> can't I use a linux swap partition?[18:23:20] *** The123king has joined #haiku[18:24:15] <Duggan> I don't think so[18:24:15] <Duggan> the swapfile is stored in....[18:24:15] <Duggan> /boot/common/var[18:24:15] <Duggan> its just a file, not a partition[18:24:15] <ali3n0> got it[18:24:25] <ali3n0> umpf... I just can't stop to play around :)[18:24:35] <Duggan> lol[18:24:45] <ali3n0> Duggan, are you a dev?[18:24:52] <Duggan> no :)[18:24:59] <Duggan> a programmer, yes, but not a Haiku dev[18:24:59] <ali3n0> not yet so[18:25:11] <Duggan> I don't know the system well enough :P[18:25:43] <ali3n0> I'm sure there's things any dev can help with[18:25:52] <ali3n0> maybe not the core stuff[18:25:54] <Duggan> sure, tracking down bugs and possibly patching them[18:26:03] <ali3n0> but sure there's something for beginners (like me)[18:26:15] <Duggan> absolutely, one sec[18:26:16] <ali3n0> I'm still getting feet wet now[18:26:36] <Duggan> http://www.haiku-os.org/development/getting-started[18:26:39] <ali3n0> to learn a bit about it (at least the name for programs!)[18:26:58] <ali3n0> yeah I'm going through the site up and down recently ;)[18:27:05] <Duggan> hehe ok[18:27:22] <ali3n0> in a while I'll give my help other than buying stuff on cafepress[18:27:40] <Duggan> familiarize yourself with this: http://dev.haiku-os.org/[18:27:55] <PulkoMandy> Duggan: for saying something that starts with a /, prefix it with /say :)[18:28:13] <Duggan> lol ok thanks PulkoMandy... I just keep forgetting[18:28:19] <PulkoMandy> mh... and that doesn't work in Vision apparently...[18:28:32] <Duggan> appears not[18:28:43] <Duggan> spaces appear to work[18:28:48] <Duggan> /test[18:29:43] <PulkoMandy> well nayway, if you want to help Haiku, help me decide how the timezone selection should look like[18:29:50] *** The123king has left #haiku[18:29:54] <PulkoMandy> what would you want to see there ?[18:30:03] <Duggan> PulkoMandy I like the one with the map that highlights the selected timezone[18:30:20] <Duggan> maybe make it so you can click on your location to select the timezone[18:30:21] *** warpdesign__ has quit IRC[18:30:23] *** toni_ has joined #haiku[18:30:26] <PulkoMandy> not the easiest to do :)[18:30:33] <Duggan> no, but easiest to use :)[18:30:43] <PulkoMandy> ICU doesn't provide the info for drawing that I'm afraid[18:30:57] <Duggan> implying I know what ICU is....[18:30:58] <Duggan> lol[18:30:58] <ali3n0> PulkoMandy, ICU?[18:31:05] <ali3n0> eh :)[18:31:10] <PulkoMandy> ICU is the lib we use for localization[18:31:24] <PulkoMandy> it provides all the info about country code, names, date formatting, timezones...[18:31:33] <Duggan> it may not provide the info for drawing but you can derive that info from somewhere[18:31:42] <ali3n0> ok. To me is not really an issue, but I guess the graphical one could the the more eye-appealing[18:31:44] <PulkoMandy> 18megabytes of data and the API to access it[18:31:53] <Duggan> damn[18:32:25] *** The123king has joined #haiku[18:32:25] *** The123king has joined #haiku[18:32:31] <Duggan> let me look around a little and see if I can find some info for that though... if nothing else you can always grab an existing map and modify it... theres maps all over of timezones[18:32:41] <PulkoMandy> I think I'm going for an OutlineList like in locale>language, with countries at top level and timezones at sublevel 1, ifthere are multiple timezones in the country[18:33:28] <Duggan> PulkoMandy I don't think it would be too difficult...[18:33:47] <PulkoMandy> mh... yes, thinking of it that way...[18:33:47] *** toni__ has quit IRC[18:34:03] <PulkoMandy> I'm not sure clicking on it is a good idea still... apparently some timezones are really small[18:34:12] <ali3n0> PulkoMandy, got to agree[18:34:17] <Duggan> have one map thats just a world map, then another BBitmap to act as an overlay, then a 3rd BBitmap that is never seen that has each timezone colored differently... when the user clicks on the map, translate the coordinates of the cursor to the BBitmap that has the timezone info, find the color, then find what timezone correlates[18:34:25] <PulkoMandy> (particularly when one account for the DST settings in each country)[18:34:25] <ali3n0> I remember on ubuntu I was fighting with the map[18:34:33] <ali3n0> did want rome and getting vatican city[18:35:10] <Duggan> PulkoMandy yes, but you can include those in a menu off to the side, or have some areas correlate to multiple timezones and when they click on that larger region, ask which timezone they want[18:35:25] <PulkoMandy> but ten it's not simple anymore[18:35:32] <Duggan> sure, just another color :)[18:35:53] <Anarchos> is dlopen a layer open load_add_on ?[18:36:04] <PulkoMandy> dlopen is the unix way of doing it[18:36:28] <PulkoMandy> Duggan: also, Haiku doesn't ask, it waits for your orders[18:37:12] <Duggan> :P[18:37:14] <PulkoMandy> (unless it's puzzled and doesn't know what to do)[18:37:19] <Duggan> well there you go :)[18:37:51] <Duggan> now that you mention it, I haven't noticed that, but its kind of been in the back of my mind...[18:37:53] <Anarchos> PulkoMandy i was wondering the last CIA comment, why are we using the unix way ... ?[18:38:32] <PulkoMandy> Anarchos: no idea, I coded the one using load addon back at BeGeistert, apparently the other one is easier to use in this case[18:39:05] <PulkoMandy> I guess because it selects alone if it needs the gcc2 or gcc4 version, whereas load add on requires an absolute path to the image you want to load[18:39:10] <Anarchos> PulkoMandy if unix way is easier as beos way on haiku, we are going backwards :)[18:39:31] <PulkoMandy> this is really a corner case[18:39:49] <PulkoMandy> this part of the code is to avoid a linking problem between libbe and liblocale[18:39:55] <PulkoMandy> basically liblocale needs libbe[18:40:10] <PulkoMandy> and libbe has some translations in it, so witohut this it would needs liblocale[18:40:16] <PulkoMandy> and circular linking doesn't go so well[18:40:31] *** lorglas has quit IRC[18:41:05] <PulkoMandy> for any regular add-on, if the software needs the add-on to work, it's not really an add-on anyway :)[18:42:28] <Anarchos> PulkoMandy i understand your point of view, i was just kidding :)[18:43:28] <PulkoMandy> well, it's good to ask ourselves this kind of things from time to time[18:45:10] <CIA-37> mmadia * r37622 /haiku/trunk/data/bin/installoptionalpackage:[18:45:11] <CIA-37> Added ICU and ICU-devel to the list of packages that cannot be installed. ATM,[18:45:11] <CIA-37> for loops aren't handled and the variables used by ICU and ICU-devel are not[18:45:11] <CIA-37> parsed. Added TODO's and commented+untested code for now.[18:45:36] <luroh> PulkoMandy: is it just me or is the 12/24 time setting behaving strangely? switching it back and forth makes it show e.g. "18:48 PM"[18:46:30] <PulkoMandy> mh... my code may be a little messy... I'm playing with the dateformat strings from ICU and ReplaceAll[18:46:40] <luroh> ah ok[18:46:48] <PulkoMandy> the detection may not always work as expected[18:46:55] <PulkoMandy> which country did you start with ?[18:47:25] <ali3n0> will ntp be in haiku?[18:47:45] <Duggan> ntp?[18:47:46] <luroh> no country at all, just went ahead and clicked the 12/24 radio buttons[18:48:20] <ali3n0> yeah, network time protocol I guess[18:48:30] <Duggan> oh[18:48:31] <PulkoMandy> luroh: mh... that may be the problem then[18:48:42] <ali3n0> Duggan, to keep machine at sync[18:48:42] <Duggan> not sure, it was in BeOS, I'm sure it'll be in Haiku eventually[18:48:58] <PulkoMandy> if nothing is selected in the countrly list we can expect a strange format string from icu...[18:49:21] <PulkoMandy> ah I get it[18:49:35] <PulkoMandy> clicking multiple times on 12 adds "PM" for each click...[18:49:43] <PulkoMandy> not very smart code indeed :/[18:50:02] <Duggan> not very smart code? I got yer not very smart code right here...[18:50:08] <luroh> i see. after a reboot, the 12/24 buttons work the wrong way around[18:50:09] <Duggan> (if I can just find it again...)[18:50:21] <ali3n0> uhm.. where do I set 12/24? I'm running "Time" but I can't see that config[18:50:26] <luroh> if it matters, i build with "AddSymlinkToHaikuImage home config settings : /boot/system/data/timezones/Europe/Stockholm : timezone ;"[18:51:05] <PulkoMandy> no, timezones are unrelated[18:51:36] <luroh> right-o[18:53:09] <PulkoMandy> ok, I'll rethink my code for handling this anyway[18:53:15] <Duggan> ali3n0 under Locale[18:53:29] <Duggan> brb[18:54:06] <ali3n0> uhm... weird. Time app: If I chose a timezone, when I get back to "Date & time" tab, local and GMT seems to be inverted[18:54:45] * ali3n0 got to stop playing around haiku and cook some dinner...[18:56:42] <CIA-37> bonefish * r37623 /haiku/trunk/src/tests/system/kernel/file_corruption/fs/ (Transaction.cpp Transaction.h):[18:56:43] <CIA-37> * Added flags for removing/unremoving the node.[18:56:43] <CIA-37> * Added more optional notification parameters to Commit().[18:56:43] <CIA-37> * Added some handy methods.[18:56:51] *** velcroshooz has joined #haiku[18:58:15] <CIA-37> bonefish * r37624 /haiku/trunk/src/tests/system/kernel/file_corruption/checksumfs.h:[18:58:15] <CIA-37> Removed unused checksumfs_node::content. We use the rest of the node block[18:58:15] <CIA-37> for managing the content.[19:02:30] <CIA-37> anevilyak * r537 /webkit/trunk/WebKit/haiku/WebPositive/SettingsWindow.cpp: Fix Web+ build for this morning's locale changes/cleanups.[19:04:08] <CIA-37> zooey * r37625 /haiku/branches/developer/zooey/posix-locale/src/system/libroot/posix/time/ (Jamfile asctime.c asctime.cpp):[19:04:08] <CIA-37> * squash a TODO in asctime() and use the abbreviated month/day names of the[19:04:08] <CIA-37> POSIX locale[19:07:38] <Duggan> back[19:07:54] *** jmayfield_ has joined #haiku[19:08:18] *** iIngenu has quit IRC[19:09:03] <PulkoMandy> luroh: mh... there are some things I didin't account for[19:09:13] *** velcroshooz has left #haiku[19:09:19] <PulkoMandy> cherokee (US) uses a 12-hr system without AM/PM[19:09:34] <luroh> heh[19:10:32] <CIA-37> bonefish * r37626 /haiku/trunk/src/tests/system/kernel/file_corruption/fs/ (11 files): (log message trimmed)[19:10:32] <CIA-37> * Volume::Create{File,Directory,SymLink}():[19:10:32] <CIA-37> slightly -- the block index is now set via a separate SetBlockIndex()[19:10:32] <CIA-37> method.[19:12:02] *** Beyecixramd has joined #haiku[19:12:13] <PulkoMandy> well, it's the only one, so let's say that its ok[19:14:06] <Duggan> hmm... the workspaces bug rears its ugly head again...[19:14:28] *** GedMurphy has quit IRC[19:14:46] <Duggan> I've got it set up with 2 high x 3 wide and if you go to the bottom right workspace, you can't go to the one above it[19:15:28] <Duggan> not with ctrl+alt+up anyway[19:16:48] <Duggan> if I set it to 5x5 everything seems to work fine XD[19:18:52] <CIA-37> mmadia * r37627 /haiku/trunk/data/bin/installoptionalpackage: Added a TODO and commented+untested code for download error handling.[19:20:11] <PulkoMandy> Duggan: I suspect someuone mixed up horizontal and vertical[19:20:25] <PulkoMandy> and having more horizontal than vertical count does bad things[19:22:00] <Duggan> ah ok[19:22:07] <Duggan> you mean in general?[19:22:12] <Duggan> I haven't had any problems besides that[19:22:41] *** Xbertl has joined #haiku[19:24:25] *** Megaf has joined #haiku[19:30:37] *** Beyecixramd has quit IRC[19:32:09] *** cpr420 has joined #haiku[19:37:14] <PulkoMandy> well, it's likely a small bug[19:37:26] <PulkoMandy> did you try other settings ? 1x2, 2x1 or so ?[19:39:00] *** VinDuv has joined #haiku[19:39:20] *** AlexFera has quit IRC[19:40:12] *** AlexFera has joined #haiku[19:41:06] <CIA-37> pulkomandy * r37628 /haiku/trunk/src/ (3 files in 2 dirs):[19:41:06] <CIA-37> Locale preflet : make the 12/24hr switching system more robust and lossless[19:41:06] <CIA-37> * When selecting chinese, the AM/PM stays at the beginning of the string[19:41:06] <CIA-37> * When clicking multiple times on the 12 hours button, the AM/PM indicator is added only once.[19:41:06] <CIA-37> * Only regression : the default format for cherokee (US) uses a 12hour clock without AM/PM indicator, so it is not possible[19:43:21] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[19:44:57] * Disreali has returned[19:45:41] <Disreali> that was the weirdest "job interview" I've ever gone to[19:46:06] <Disreali> turned out to be a catering gig[19:46:10] <Hodapp> the weirdest one I ever went to was... well... for the job I'm at now[19:46:32] *** Leon9 has quit IRC[19:46:45] <Disreali> at least I lots of free food and alcohol, in addition to being paid[19:47:16] <impy> the weirdest one i had went like this: "So you want this job? ... yes .... You're hired!"[19:47:34] <Hodapp> impy: I had one like that.[19:47:51] <impy> and it wasn't a flipping brgers kind of job[19:47:55] <PulkoMandy> makes you feel like you missed some really bad thing somewhere :)[19:48:03] *** Xbertl has joined #haiku[19:48:04] <Disreali> they we just giving away any unopen, unused food and alcohal after they paid us[19:48:14] <Hodapp> impy: There basically *wasn't* an interview. It was just them leading me around the production floor, engineering department, machine shop, and talking about it like it was a job I already had[19:48:25] <Hodapp> they didn't ask me one question the entire time[19:48:48] <impy> gotta love those kind of interviews really :)[19:49:15] <Hodapp> well, when the company is doing everything but getting on their knees and pleading with you to work there...[19:49:21] <Hodapp> sometimes it's best to look elsewhere.[19:49:32] <luroh> PulkoMandy: the 12/24 buttons work fine now but it seems the setting isn't saved between Locale restarts[19:51:04] <luroh> (again, i have no country selected)[19:51:39] <impy> Hodapp: well.. there is that[19:51:55] <impy> i just suck at job interviews[19:52:00] <Hodapp> but I did take the job :-/ it was only a co-op.[19:52:22] <Hodapp> hated that damn company.[19:52:37] <impy> i gett annoyed when people ask me those textbook job interview questions[19:53:01] <Hodapp> owner couldn't tie his own shoes, manager was a good guy but his hands were always so tied with red tape and bureaucracy that he couldn't get much of anything done, almost everybody else had no soul and was antisocial[19:53:17] <Hodapp> impy: yeah, that's because they suck[19:53:30] <impy> Hodapp: and thats what you get 99% of the time[19:53:42] <Hodapp> the interview for where I'm at now[19:53:48] <Hodapp> it was just a group interview with the entire company[19:53:59] <impy> i hate group interviews[19:54:29] <Hodapp> if they're with the company, not with some dumbass manager, I find they go a bit better[19:54:57] <impy> ohh like that... i misinterpreted[19:55:05] <impy> yeah thats better[19:55:06] <CIA-37> mmadia * r37629 /haiku/trunk/build/jam/OptionalPackages: Updated ICU-devel to use $(HAIKU_ICU_DEVEL_PACKAGE). No functional change.[19:55:26] <impy> although most of the time then they don't know how to do it either[19:55:33] <impy> and are often way too strict[19:55:38] <Hodapp> and, being a participant in a dozen or so of these from the other side, I noticed that the group interviews answered a lot of questions pretty quickly - is this person compatible, can he answer without bullshitting, what is his background like...[19:56:16] <Hodapp> surviving a gauntlet of other engineers & devs is something I found to be more genuine, and less of a stupid game[19:56:26] <Hodapp> than interviewing with a manager asking you shit out of a textbook.[19:56:31] *** abhijit_ has joined #haiku[19:56:34] <impy> true[19:56:40] *** abhijit_ is now known as abhijit[19:57:33] <abhijit> hello all!!! first time here . so whats about haiku? I heard it about just now. is it in a condition for educations purpose? i need to do lots of college stuff[19:57:43] <Hodapp> what sort of education?[19:57:52] <abhijit> computer engineering[19:58:00] <Hodapp> be more specific[19:58:58] <abhijit> Hodapp, i want to do lots of programming projects, including database, then my personal comuting needs entertainment running propriatary movie files playing dvds printing, etc[20:00:07] <impy> its an alpha state os[20:00:13] <impy> but you can do all the tasks listed[20:00:26] <abhijit> impy, ok[20:00:37] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[20:01:08] <Disreali> I just noticed that MediaPlayer does not use track numbers when playing CD's[20:01:14] <Disreali> it is playing the tracks in alphabetical order, instead of track number[20:01:38] <Duggan> lol[20:01:41] <Disreali> has anyone else experienced taht[20:03:26] <Disreali> weird[20:05:14] <PulkoMandy> why not :>[20:05:28] <PulkoMandy> luroh: I don't think I wrote any code for saving it yet[20:05:40] <luroh> ok :)[20:06:30] <abhijit> is haiku available in live cd format ?[20:06:38] *** Megaf has quit IRC[20:06:50] *** Megaf has joined #haiku[20:07:54] *** oco has joined #haiku[20:07:59] <Disreali> abhijit; yes[20:08:08] <abhijit> Disreali, ok[20:08:40] <Disreali> http://haiku-files.org[20:09:10] <Disreali> grab an iso or anyboot image, burn to disk[20:11:05] <abhijit> Disreali, yes sure. thanks[20:11:15] <Disreali> np[20:16:15] *** Cubey has quit IRC[20:17:08] *** Trezker has quit IRC[20:17:49] *** Trezker has joined #haiku[20:21:07] *** ambroff has joined #haiku[20:23:30] *** Ingenu has joined #haiku[20:23:34] <CIA-37> anevilyak * r37630 /haiku/trunk/src/preferences/locale/TimeFormatSettingsView.cpp: Fix incorrect include. 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I know.. but how? gcc2hybrid or gcc4hyrid Duggan?[22:15:18] <Begasus> finaly meet up at IRC ;)[22:15:26] <Duggan> gcc2hybrid I thought the loader took care of all that?[22:15:33] <michaelvo> Yeah! I spend some time here.[22:15:53] <michaelvo> So you have to put libSDL gcc4 into /boot/common/lib/gcc4 folder[22:15:56] <Begasus> deppending on what lib (and on what compiler it's compiled)[22:16:03] <Begasus> eek ;)[22:17:23] <Begasus> michaelvo, did you see my latest comment on haikuware?[22:17:30] <Duggan> why can't they just make this stuff extract to where its supposed to go :/[22:17:47] <Begasus> using hybrid system does that ... :/[22:18:45] <Duggan> so I just copy the contents of the lib folder in the zip to /boot/common/lib/gcc4 is that it?[22:19:45] <Begasus> don't know ... I never used hybrid systems for Haiku here[22:21:12] <Duggan> ok same error[22:23:21] <Duggan> cpr420 thanks, I just figured out what I needed to do lol[22:23:37] <michaelvo> Duggan: delete SDL libs from /boot/common/lib[22:23:52] <Duggan> ok one sec[22:23:52] <michaelvo> extract the libs to /boot/common/lib/gcc4[22:24:09] <michaelvo> Begasus: not yet.. I will go there now[22:24:58] <Duggan> "Cannot open file libSDL-1.2.so.0: No such file or directory" :/[22:25:11] <Begasus> hehe[22:25:16] <Begasus> lib hell ;)[22:25:25] <Duggan> as always :P[22:25:39] <Begasus> the *so.0 probly links to /boot/common/lib/...[22:26:03] <Begasus> check in the gcc4 folder if the link is still acurate[22:27:07] <michaelvo> begasus is right[22:27:15] <michaelvo> make the right symlinks[22:27:31] <Duggan> oh boy...[22:28:04] <PulkoMandy> can't they use the default gcc2h setup when building ?[22:28:13] <Begasus> hi PulkoMandy ! ;)[22:28:15] <Duggan> so I deleted about 100 files and copied some others in another directory and now I have to create symlinks in place of all the files I just deleted? :([22:28:28] <Begasus> hehe[22:28:30] <michaelvo> Duggan: yes :([22:28:30] <Begasus> sorry ;)[22:28:31] *** lorglas has joined #haiku[22:28:35] <Begasus> hi lorglas ![22:28:42] <Duggan> can't somebody make a script for this? :/[22:28:52] <michaelvo> PulkoMandy: because gcc2hybrid is very limited flavor[22:28:54] <lorglas> hi Begasus[22:28:59] <lorglas> hi[22:29:11] <michaelvo> Duggan, if you wait until monday, I'll do[22:29:35] <Begasus> best bet is to go with a gcc4 native/hybrid instead of a gcc2 hybrid imho[22:29:41] <michaelvo> Because Sunday I'll have a fucking hard exam[22:29:53] <michaelvo> and I need hit the books[22:30:03] <Begasus> on sundy michaelvo ??!![22:30:15] <Begasus> Sunday*[22:30:23] <michaelvo> Yes.. it's a public exam.. for lawyers...[22:30:53] <Begasus> ow ... good luck for that then![22:31:01] *** Sir_Konrad has joined #haiku[22:31:08] <michaelvo> Here in brazil beyond laws school, you need do the exam = lawyer[22:31:11] <michaelvo> thanks[22:31:23] <Begasus> Sir_Konrad, as in konrad in the old days?[22:31:58] <Sir_Konrad> Begasus: huh?[22:32:07] <Begasus> probly not then ;)[22:32:21] <Sir_Konrad> Begasus: was there a Konrad in here once upon a time?[22:32:29] <michaelvo> Begasus: humm.. pkg-config is already included by now... liblua is static.. I know, but it's hard to link.. a shared one is better...[22:32:34] <Begasus> long time ago Sir_Konrad[22:33:06] <Begasus> can't seem to compile a shared lib for liblua here michaelvo[22:33:10] <michaelvo> But was a Konrad without noble title:[22:33:21] <Sir_Konrad> michaelvo: heh. :P[22:33:38] *** xray7224 has joined #haiku[22:33:44] <michaelvo> Begasus: in Haikuports have a patch to do that[22:33:45] <Begasus> haven't checked in a while if pkg-config works properly in the latest builds for Haiku[22:33:53] <michaelvo> cp420 did it[22:34:09] <Begasus> need to do some catching up it seems ;)[22:34:10] <michaelvo> works well[22:34:29] *** Megaf has quit IRC[22:35:09] <michaelvo> I include freetype.pc.. so you can detect Freetype lib too..[22:35:12] *** Dane__ has joined #haiku[22:35:13] <Begasus> if Haiku's pkg-config is working ok then you can strike it of the list[22:35:15] <Dane__> hello[22:35:18] <Dane__> Begasus![22:35:21] <Begasus> Dane__, !!!![22:35:23] <Dane__> :-)[22:35:24] <Begasus> ;)[22:35:31] <Begasus> long time no see[22:35:36] <michaelvo> Dane__ ;)[22:35:36] <Begasus> how have you been![22:35:44] <CIA-37> jackburton * r37631 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/terminal/ (6 files):[22:35:45] <CIA-37> Added Shell::HasActiveProcesses() and TermView::IsShellBusy() (which calls[22:35:45] <CIA-37> the former) to tell if some process launched from the terminal is still[22:35:45] <CIA-37> running. Some style fix in Shell.h, made a parameter const.[22:35:45] <CIA-37> Added basic TermWindow::QuitRequested()[22:35:52] <Dane__> Good, Begasus, you?[22:35:54] *** RQ has joined #haiku[22:35:54] <Dane__> Hi michaelvo[22:35:59] <Begasus> how's the hunt for mobo's going?[22:36:07] <Dane__> Begasus ongoing :-/[22:36:14] <Dane__> Got one, just need to solve that one problem[22:36:15] <Begasus> fine here thnx Dane__ ... busy but happy ;)[22:36:18] <michaelvo> Only my terminal app here that fills one line and continue? without go to the next line?[22:36:18] <Dane__> good[22:36:25] <Dane__> Begasus See priv[22:37:05] <Begasus> seen ;)[22:37:26] *** AlexFera has quit IRC[22:38:01] *** Dane__ has quit IRC[22:38:27] <Begasus> in a hurry as always ... ;)[22:38:28] <michaelvo> Someone have to do OpenAL media kit backend...[22:38:29] <Duggan> would all of this work better on a gcc4 hybrid?[22:38:41] <michaelvo> Duggan: yes[22:38:50] <michaelvo> GCC4 hybrid is lot more stable[22:38:54] <Begasus> or a native gcc4 enviroment[22:39:21] <cpr420> that's a load of crap michaelvo[22:39:43] <michaelvo> :D[22:39:49] <Begasus> it's not as much stable .. but more ready futurewise I think[22:39:53] <Duggan> btw, creating the link for the missing file results in me getting the same error I started with :/[22:40:27] <michaelvo> hahahahaha[22:40:35] <michaelvo> Cease and desist[22:40:44] <Begasus> Haiku's native libs probly missing some functions for those Duggan[22:40:51] <Duggan> yeah, I always thought simutrans was crap...[22:40:56] <michaelvo> Funny because I use SDL gcc2 libs inside /boot/common/lib/gcc2[22:41:08] <Begasus> tsss ... it's pretty good actualy ;)[22:41:14] <Duggan> I don't kow what libs I got, I got the sdl game whatever from haikuware[22:41:22] <michaelvo> aaaaannnn...[22:41:25] <Duggan> Begasus no its crap because it doesn't run on haiku[22:41:26] <Begasus> rofl[22:41:40] <Begasus> it run's fairly good on Haiku[22:41:47] <Duggan> prove it[22:41:51] <Begasus> deppending you have the right setup[22:41:52] <michaelvo> Duggan: simutrans was builded with gcc2 libs ! and you are using gcc4 libs lol .. will not work[22:42:05] <Begasus> I rest my case ;)[22:42:08] <Duggan> actually I built it myself from source[22:42:18] <Duggan> so like I was saying, simutrans is crap[22:42:35] <Duggan> and it would appear manaworld is too[22:42:44] <Begasus> it has been arround for ages and has been proven to work atm ...[22:42:57] <Duggan> help me fix it and I'll believe you :/[22:43:03] <Begasus> hehe[22:43:36] <Begasus> a good readme maybe missing but things should be clear on the download page[22:44:10] <Duggan> which download page?[22:44:10] <Begasus> I never compiled it myself because there is a maintainer for it ...[22:44:27] <Begasus> well ... where did you get it from?[22:44:44] <michaelvo> switch to gcc4hybrid too Duggan.[22:45:13] <Duggan> from the svn repo[22:45:21] <michaelvo> yes[22:45:27] <Begasus> michaelvo, you are still using hybrid systems?[22:45:31] <Duggan> because the version that is in haikuware doesn't work[22:45:45] <michaelvo> hurrum[22:45:58] <Begasus> gcc4/gcc2 are not always compatible[22:46:29] <Begasus> if the one on Haikuware is gcc2 you need gcc2 libs[22:46:49] <Begasus> best to check them out at haikuports[22:46:56] <Duggan> ok, I downloaded it from haikuware, it didn't work, so I looked at the comments and it says "it didn't work but I compiled from source and it works" so I got the source, I compiled it, and now my libs are all jacked up from screwing around trying to get THAT to work[22:47:26] <Duggan> ok, once i get something from haikuports, where does it go?'[22:47:44] <Duggan> because I just got libpng for manaworld and its complaining still[22:47:46] <Begasus> those go to /boot/common/*[22:48:16] <Duggan> "Cannot open file libpng12.so.0: No such file or directory"[22:48:17] <michaelvo> but libpng is already inside of Haiku[22:48:25] <michaelvo> see /boot/system/lib[22:48:28] <Duggan> then why is it complaining to begin with?[22:48:40] <michaelvo> Duggan: your Haiku is a mess[22:48:41] <Begasus> in a full gcc4 enviroment they also go to /boot/common/*[22:48:42] <michaelvo> :D[22:48:46] <Duggan> btw my understanding is that libpng 1.4 is distributed with haiku, when tmw needs 1.2.x[22:48:46] <Begasus> ;)[22:48:48] <mmadia> v1.2 is the older libpng. Haiku supplies v1.4 these days.[22:48:59] <Duggan> I know, so I got 1.2 and tmw still complains[22:49:02] <Begasus> mmadia, !!![22:49:13] <mmadia> how's the sled team, Begasus? :)[22:49:20] <Begasus> resting mmadia ;)[22:49:45] <Begasus> spread out in the living room ;)[22:49:58] * PulkoMandy wonders how people can mix up that much a thing as simple as hybrid builds[22:50:12] <cpr420> Duggan: it's possible you got an sdl that was compiled before the png upgrade, the sdl packages on ports-space should use the new png[22:50:18] <Duggan> I'm really tired of only being able to play sudoku and minesweeper :/[22:50:31] <Begasus> I don't wonder PulkoMandy ... that's why I never use hybrids[22:50:52] <Duggan> cpr420 I got the one on haikuware.... maybe someone needs to update it then[22:51:01] <cpr420> that's not under my control[22:51:13] <Anarchos> Duggan did you try some snes emulator ?[22:51:13] <cpr420> use http://ports-space.haiku-files.org[22:51:26] *** Beyecixramd has joined #haiku[22:51:27] * Begasus zips ;)[22:51:29] <Duggan> thanks cpr420[22:51:57] <mmadia> Begasus : did you hear the news about Axel?[22:52:27] <Begasus> yeah .. about him being the next in line to work full time for Haiku?[22:52:44] <Begasus> well .. for a limmit of time[22:53:19] <Begasus> I still follow the ML ;)[22:53:24] <Anarchos> Duggan i am running Snes9x right now :)[22:53:35] <mmadia> yep. in a week, about $3,500 was donated. to give you an idea, that's a couple hundred more than was was donated from Oct'09 thru Mar'10 (about $3200)[22:54:10] *** helf has quit IRC[22:54:23] *** Megaf has joined #haiku[22:54:25] <Begasus> ps ... SCI is probly going to be announced as being in bughunting stage for ScummVM ;)[22:54:28] <Begasus> nice mmadia ![22:54:54] <Duggan> Anarchos when I get around to copying my roms over, i'll look into it[22:55:47] *** Beyecixramd has quit IRC[22:56:06] <Duggan> yep, simutrans and tmw both suck[22:56:07] <Begasus> would be nice if snes could be integrated into ScummVM one day to (as they plan with dosbox IIRC)[22:57:32] <michaelvo> cpr420: strangely the latest build of gettext is not working on gcc4hybrid.. the previous one works..[22:57:44] <Begasus> ow .. looks like I need to update the FreeCiv port also ...[22:58:17] <michaelvo> yes FreeCiv is a nice game: please always use the latest SDLgcc4 libs :)[22:58:20] <cpr420> michaelvo: I had nothing to do with that[22:58:28] <michaelvo> hahahaa[22:58:37] <Begasus> when and if I can I use yours michaelvo ;)[22:59:03] <Begasus> but mainly in a gcc4 native enviroment[22:59:30] <Begasus> for gcc2 I still have my own libs arround[23:01:13] <Begasus> I think I still have some portlogs for haikuports that need updating ... :([23:02:52] *** Skipp_OSX has quit IRC[23:05:48] *** _arjen_ has quit IRC[23:06:12] <RQ> PulkoMandy: ping[23:08:20] *** Trezker has quit IRC[23:08:50] <CIA-37> bonefish * r37632 /haiku/trunk/src/tests/system/kernel/file_corruption/fs/BlockAllocator.cpp:[23:08:51] <CIA-37> * _Free[InBitmapBlock](): Don't use Block::Discard() (block_cache_discard()).[23:08:51] <CIA-37> It doesn't have the intended semantics (reverting the change). The caller[23:08:51] <CIA-37> is now expected to roll back the transaction.[23:08:51] <CIA-37> * AllocateExactly(): Don't try to revert a partially successful allocation.[23:09:06] *** wesbluemarine has quit IRC[23:10:00] *** Beyecixramd has joined #haiku[23:10:10] *** Beyecixramd has quit IRC[23:10:27] *** Trezker has joined #haiku[23:11:03] <RQ> PulkoMandy: is there a way to mark translation as fuzzy in catkeys?[23:13:02] <PulkoMandy> no[23:13:11] <RQ> ok[23:13:15] <PulkoMandy> Haiku doesn't need to know[23:13:33] *** acoos is now known as acous[23:13:44] <RQ> ok[23:15:43] *** warpdesign has quit IRC[23:15:58] <CIA-37> bonefish * r37633 /haiku/trunk/src/tests/system/kernel/file_corruption/fs/ (7 files): Moved Block implementation to its own source file.[23:16:20] *** Begasus_ has joined #haiku[23:16:31] <Begasus_> plop[23:17:03] <Begasus_> so atleast the gcc4 nightly from this week seems to work on the net ;)[23:17:25] <CIA-37> axeld * r37634 /haiku/trunk/src/tests/kits/net/ (7 files in 2 dirs):[23:17:25] <CIA-37> * Some ICMP test applications originally written by Yin Qiu as part of[23:17:25] <CIA-37> GSoC 2008. I've reworked them a bit to let them compile without warnings[23:17:25] <CIA-37> (or at all), and give better error messages.[23:19:53] *** Begasus_ has quit IRC[23:20:29] <Begasus> going down ...[23:20:33] <lorglas> cu[23:20:34] <Begasus> g'night peeps![23:20:39] <Duggan> l8r Begasus[23:20:43] *** lorglas has quit IRC[23:21:02] <Duggan> so would it be better just to run a straight up gcc4 build?[23:21:15] <michaelvo> gcc4hybrid Duggan[23:21:25] <michaelvo> so *ALL* apps will work[23:21:37] *** Begasus has quit IRC[23:21:44] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[23:22:22] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[23:22:46] <Duggan> alright, lemme start a build[23:24:42] <michaelvo> build with gpl-addons activated :P[23:25:09] <Duggan> eh..... how?............ and why?...[23:26:45] <michaelvo> :D for codecs;; ext2 support[23:28:49] <michaelvo> use ./configure command with --include-gpl-addons --include-3rdparty and --include-patented-code options[23:38:32] *** srbaker_ has joined #haiku[23:38:33] *** AlexFera has joined #haiku[23:39:09] *** toni_ has quit IRC[23:41:37] *** srbaker has quit IRC[23:41:37] *** srbaker_ is now known as srbaker[23:42:50] <CIA-37> axeld * r37635 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/arch/x86/arch_cpu.cpp:[23:42:50] <CIA-37> * Added some test code to make sure that we run on the boot CPU on shutdown;[23:42:50] <CIA-37> I haven't tested it on the problematic machine yet, though.[23:43:45] <Anarchos> why is it problematic not to run on the boot cpu on shutdown ??[23:48:06] <PulkoMandy> because wedisable the scheduler and all the non-boot cpus to make sure there are no problem[23:48:18] <PulkoMandy> to do all the uninit of hardware and kernel[23:48:35] <PulkoMandy> if you disable the cpu you're running on at that point, bad things happen[23:49:32] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[23:50:30] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[23:57:44] *** acous has quit IRC