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[00:06:42] <l_n> mmm... coffee-flavored coffee..
[00:07:35] <handheldcar2> :) I've had two servings today
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[00:12:34] <dru345> biab
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[00:13:39] <Disreali> l_n; you here?
[00:16:19] <l_n> yeah
[00:16:37] <Disreali> hey there.
[00:16:38] <l_n> i'm trying to decide if the mouse issue is haiku's SDL or some hack in chocolate doom
[00:16:54] <Disreali> ah
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[00:17:53] <Disreali> well. I just tried to run chocdoom on a 2h build and got errors. do you know who was able to get it to run on gcc2 hybrids?
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[00:18:25] <l_n> me
[00:18:27] <Disreali> do I need the gcc4 sdl libs? I only installed the gcc2 ones
[00:18:39] <l_n> played map01 from start to finish
[00:18:45] <Disreali> nice
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[00:19:01] <l_n> yeah.. you need gcc4 SDL game libs from haikuware
[00:19:42] <Disreali> ok. will install and try again
[00:22:50] <Disreali> it works. thanks
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[00:24:23] <Disreali> l_n; I appreciate you looking at the mouse issue, but don't get hung up on it. if you figure it out, great. if not, no worries
[00:25:04] <l_n> right now i'm just thinking on it.
[00:25:33] <l_n> i really need another os and the same version of sdl and chocolate doom to tell whether it is sdl or doom that's broken
[00:25:54] <l_n> (my guess, since haiku is still 'alpha', is that it's an sdl || input_server issue)
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[00:29:48] <Disreali> freebsd
[00:30:12] <Disreali> your guess sound correct
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[00:34:39] <l_n> i wonder if there's a way to attach to the input_server and log the messages passed between it and sdl/doom
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[00:36:00] <cpr420> you could probably do it with an input_server filter, but i'd imagine there are easier ways to diagnose the problem
[00:37:06] <l_n> probably.. but that was the first thought i had :P
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[00:54:44] <l_n> this is an interesting essay by Gassée: http://lists.essential.org/info-policy-notes/msg00005.html
[00:54:59] <l_n> about why OEM's don't sell other OS's.
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[01:07:14] <l_n> have any of you read "the third apple"? if so, is it worth buying a copy?
[01:08:32] * Disreali is idle: BRB
[01:09:57] * l_n is !idle: staying here
[01:10:17] <dru345> not read or heard of third apple
[01:11:40] <l_n> it's by gassée circa 1987
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[01:58:49] <CIA-49> anevilyak * r534 /webkit/trunk/WebKit/Jamfile: Updated icu lib names on some more targets.
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[02:41:56] <CIA-49> anevilyak * r535 /webkit/trunk/WebKit/haiku/WebCoreSupport/FrameLoaderClientHaiku.cpp:
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[02:53:53] <CIA-49> anevilyak * r37558 /haiku/trunk/build/jam/OptionalPackages: Update Web+ to r535. Fixes ticket #6321, though behavior isn't correctly observable right now due to an app_server bug with respect to updating window titles.
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[03:00:57] <dru345> hello OmniMancer
[03:04:26] <OmniMancer> hi
[03:04:31] <youngblkfamous> hey
[03:06:37] <dru345> hi ybf
[03:10:22] <youngblkfamous> sup
[03:13:22] <dru345> just working on tracker bugs
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[03:32:45] <CIA-49> czeidler * r37559 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/app/ (4 files): Fix SetTitle (bug #6321).
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[04:07:01] <kurain__> hello
[04:08:41] <kurain__> I found some documents of haiku user guide in online tool have not been included in the user guide in haiku official web site
[04:09:03] <kurain__> does that matter?
[04:09:16] <CIA-49> mmadia * r37560 /haiku/trunk/data/bin/installoptionalpackage:
[04:09:16] <CIA-49> Added a small sanity check for improperly built images.
[04:09:16] <CIA-49> Added a TODO about creating the symlinks for gcc-agnostic packages.
[04:09:52] <mmadia> no, the userguide on www.haiku-os.org is a 'snapshot', to go along with the official r1a2 release.
[04:11:29] <kurain__> some documents of online tool are just for the later releases?
[04:11:48] <kurain__> not for the r1a2?
[04:11:59] <mmadia> there's 3 groups of the UserGuide + Welcome
[04:12:23] <mmadia> 1. at the translation site -- this is the bleeding edge that the translators work with.
[04:12:49] <mmadia> 2. every so often, those documents get pushed to SVN at http://svn.haiku-os.org/haiku/haiku/trunk/docs
[04:13:14] <mmadia> 3. only for releases, the documents get pushed at www.haiku-os.org
[04:13:47] <kurain__> got you
[04:14:16] <mmadia> the reason for having "old" UserGuide documents at www.haiku-os.org, is so tht the documentation will be for the current release.
[04:15:02] <mmadia> for example, it's possible that something changes in the current revisions of Haiku --- like an important key-combo for entering KDL.
[04:16:13] <kurain__> thank you mmadia.
[04:17:17] <kurain__> I have checked the doc in svn, some of my translations have been updated
[04:20:26] <kurain__> well, mmadia, is that true that once I translated the documents the docs in svn would get updated?
[04:21:20] <mmadia> halfway. humdinger would need to commit the updated documents  -- it is not automatic.
[04:22:27] <kurain__> oh
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[04:32:06] <Disreali> shutting down. tornados sited near by
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[04:34:28] <dru345> where is Direali located?
[04:37:32] <michaelvo> tornados?
[04:37:38] <michaelvo> run to the hills! hua
[04:39:01] <mmadia> he lives a few blocks away from the yellow brick road.
[04:41:05] <cpr420> or he will live there very soon
[04:44:15] <kurain__> hello dru345 or marcos
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[04:45:45] <kurain__> what about your translation? dru345
[04:46:33] <dru345> my translation?
[04:46:35] <dru345> hi kurain__
[04:47:23] <kurain__> haha, i made a mistake
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[04:48:25] <kurain__> well, what I mean is Xeon3D
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[05:08:29] <CIA-49> mmadia * r37561 /haiku/trunk/build/scripts/build_haiku_image:
[05:08:29] <CIA-49> Create symlinks for the static libs of GCC Agnostic packages.
[05:08:29] <CIA-49> Note: Should we create symlinks for the *.la libtool related files?
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[05:11:00] <Xeon3D> hi kurain__
[05:11:10] <Xeon3D> hi dru, mmadia, cpr420 , michael
[05:11:17] <dru345> hello Xeon3D
[05:11:19] <kurain__> hi Xeon#D
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[06:13:19] <l_n> hrm.. it appears as if i've had some connection issues..
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[06:15:32] * l_n makes a note to *not* close the Terminal instance that Vision was started from in the future.
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[06:25:38] <handheldcar2> not I said the fly
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[06:36:28] <l_n> i needed the output to go to the terminal (vision died immediately after startup several times in a row (even across a reboot))
[06:36:55] <l_n> all i got was: "Aborted\n Killed (by death).\n"
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[07:16:42] <dru345> what's starting vision with & do?
[07:16:54] <l_n> backgrounds it
[07:17:08] <dru345> ah
[07:17:28] <l_n> allowing the process to detach from the terminal
[07:17:44] <dru345> yeah. i thought so. it's been awhile
[07:17:50] <dru345> :)
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[07:22:15] <dru345> didn't know if that worked on Haiku :)
[07:22:24] * dru345 files it away in his head
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[07:32:12] * l_n erases dru345's file.
[07:32:22] <dru345> lol I see that :P
[07:32:37] <dru345> explains the memory lapses ;)
[07:37:20] <l_n> i'm wondering why i'm still up at 01:39...
[07:37:41] <dru345> why not?
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[07:46:53] * l_n needs an opponent for doom
[07:52:47] * handheldcar2 is working hard and late too b/c been goofing up all day
[07:54:10] <dru345> working hard on?
[07:54:23] <dru345> surely not work?
[08:17:10] <handheldcar2> dru345 - no, just installing an OS
[08:17:24] <dru345> ah
[08:17:31] <dru345> not Haiku? :(
[08:17:49] <l_n> "goofing up"?
[08:18:06] <handheldcar2> :) I'm running Haiku on bare metal right now
[08:18:07] <dru345> "goofing off"
[08:18:13] <dru345> cool handheldcar2
[08:18:35] <handheldcar2> I've been having issues all day, l_n
[08:19:01] <l_n> s'ok. my wife thinks i'm too quick to correct others' speech...
[08:19:09] <l_n> i just hate poor english.
[08:19:48] <handheldcar2> I'm similar.
[08:21:16] <dru345> anyone know - is there ever a time the Add-ons menu isn't in the Tracker File menu?
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[08:21:37] <l_n> i haven't seen a time
[08:21:58] <dru345> what if there are no Add-ons? I should test that.
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[08:22:42] <l_n> they do seem to be a bit universal.. even though i have to wonder what would happen if you ran zip-o-matic on an entire volume.. where would it put the zip file? (i.e. run zip-o-matic in the disks window on, say, Haiku)
[08:23:14] <dru345> yeah :/
[08:24:02] <dru345> you can run zip-o-matic on the Disks item which will start to zip all mounted volumes :/
[08:24:06] * l_n changes his background to a hot chick staring at a BeOS logo
[08:24:50] <dru345> there needs to be better checking i think in zip-o-matic or maybe via add-ons
[08:25:19] <l_n> yeah.. sanity checks are good.
[08:25:42] <l_n> a popup window asking, "hey, dumbass, are you sure you want to do this??"
[08:25:46] <dru345> yes
[08:25:51] <dru345> that is easy!
[08:25:56] <dru345> :D
[08:26:13] <dru345> I'll make a note to look at that part of Tracker code lol
[08:26:26] <l_n> the 'dumbass' part is essential, though.
[08:26:52] <l_n> anyways.. i'm going to bed...
[08:27:04] * l_n is idle: sleeping...and stuff.
[08:27:05] <dru345> goodnight l_n
[08:31:24] <dru345> answer -> having no Add-ons acts as you expect the submenu is empty.
[08:31:27] <dru345> no crash :D
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[08:52:31] <dru345> hi tqh
[08:53:08] <tqh> hi
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[08:53:38] <Lelldorin1> moin
[08:53:55] <Lelldorin1> can anyone check this, becxause i gont know how to do it right?
[08:54:03] <Lelldorin1>  folder='pwd'
[08:54:04] <Lelldorin1>  path1='/data/bin/html2ps/html2psrc';
[08:54:05] <Lelldorin1>  $globrc="$folder $path1"
[08:54:05] <Lelldorin1>  path2='/data/bin/html2ps/html2p.html';
[08:54:06] <Lelldorin1>  $ug="$folder $path2"
[08:54:54] <cpr420> are those backticks around pwd?
[08:55:08] <cpr420> and are you trying to append the path to pwd?
[08:56:08] <cpr420> you probably don't need the semicolon after those lines either, but it shouldn't hurt
[08:56:27] <Lelldorin1> i need to add the path to a file into a script and i dont know there the user installed it, so i want to use pwd
[08:57:47] <cpr420> pwd might not be correct though
[08:58:08] <cpr420> I'm not sure if tracker sets that to the same folder as the script when it launches it
[08:58:42] <cpr420> maybe something like ....
[08:58:59] <HeTo> you probably don't want $ on the left side of assignment, and usually the path separator is :, not space
[08:59:31] <cpr420> folder=$(dirname $0)
[08:59:51] <cpr420> path1="${folder}/data/bin/html2ps/html2p.html"
[09:00:23] <HeTo> $ug="$folder $path2" will assign to the variable whose name is in the variable ug
[09:02:01] <Lelldorin1> missinf oerator before dirname
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[09:03:20] <cpr420> hm, worked for me, does the folder have a space in the name?
[09:03:29] <cpr420> i should've quoted the first one
[09:03:55] <Lelldorin1> no no space
[09:04:07] <Lelldorin1> how do you declare dirname?
[09:04:19] <cpr420> it is a program in /bin/dirname
[09:04:40] <Lelldorin1> ah ok, haiku alpha2 or 1 gcc2 or gcc4?
[09:05:31] <cpr420> it should be the same in all of them
[09:07:04] <Lelldorin1> ok
[09:07:07] <Lelldorin1> thanx
[09:07:37] <Lelldorin1> i think i need to remove the converter for html2ps because i need to many modules they are not available for haiku :-(
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[09:16:19] <dru345> port them?
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[09:47:29] <Begasus> moin
[09:47:57] <lorglas> moin
[09:48:01] <lorglas> alles gut bei dir
[09:48:12] <Begasus> mir gehts gut danke lorglas ;)
[09:48:21] <Begasus> dir auch?
[09:48:25] <lorglas> ja
[09:48:43] <Begasus> uber 2 wochen sind wir wieder im DE (Bremen) ;)
[09:49:01] <lorglas> tja, ich sitz in hamburg
[09:49:41] <Begasus> ist nicht so weit from Giessen richtig? da waren wir einem monat zuruck ;)
[09:50:18] <lorglas> ah, kommt ihr irgendwann auch nach hamburg?
[09:50:37] <Begasus> steht noch nicht im plannung
[09:51:07] <Begasus> does any one know if the nightly images are back online?
[09:52:30] <Begasus> ah nm .. found them ;)
[09:52:50] <dru345> yes - http://haiku-files.org/
[09:54:35] <Begasus> thns dru345
[09:54:44] <dru345> :D
[10:01:11] <Begasus> heading out
[10:01:16] <Begasus> cya peeps!
[10:01:21] <Lelldorin1> cu
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[10:45:17] <lorglas> cu
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[12:24:55] <Leo2_> hello
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[12:33:29] <Leo2_> trying to boot haiku alpha 2 and it can't find any boot partitions
[12:33:35] <Leo2_> what could I do to fix the problem ?
[12:36:38] <PulkoMandy> try a newer nightly build and see if it was fixed
[12:36:52] <PulkoMandy> if so, wait for alpha 3, if not, report a bug
[12:39:00] <gluon> Leo2_: you can find nightly builds here: http://haiku-files.org/
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[12:48:19] <leo2__> ok, I'll try that
[12:48:20] <leo2__> thanks
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[12:51:48] <leo2__> which type of archive I should get ? anyboot ? cd ?
[12:51:58] <leo2__> had problems with anyboot that's why I usually get cd, but dunno what's the best one for cd booting
[12:53:25] <Ingenu> cd ?
[12:53:32] <Ingenu> for CD booting sounds like the best option
[12:55:43] <leo2__> I mean "cd image"
[12:58:42] <PulkoMandy> anyboot should work anywhere (cd, usb, hard drive)
[12:59:05] <Ingenu> cd image is meant to be burnt on a CD
[12:59:11] <leo2__> well, anyboot didn't boot, at all
[12:59:27] <leo2__> that's why i used the cd image
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[13:00:00] <PulkoMandy> that's why we keep the others around :)
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[13:02:49] <leo2__> ok ;)
[13:03:47] <OmniMancer> PulkoMandy: I don't think Anyboot works on all HDD situations
[13:05:15] <leo2__> brb ;)
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[13:05:42] <PulkoMandy> OmniMancer: you still need to run makebootable on it, but it could work as a partition too
[13:05:57] <OmniMancer> No I believe it won't...
[13:08:13] <PulkoMandy> we'll have to try ;)
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[13:11:32] <leo2__> no luck with this version either
[13:12:36] <PulkoMandy> ok, so it's likely a real bug
[13:13:18] <leo2__> where can i submit a bug report ?
[13:13:48] <PulkoMandy> http://dev.haiku-os.org
[13:13:59] <PulkoMandy> try to search if there's a similar one already
[13:14:45] <leo2__> ok, thanks
[13:14:50] <leo2__> i'll do that
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[13:17:31] <Anarchos> hello everybody !!
[13:17:44] <Anarchos> Where can i temporarily store a 15Mb archive ?
[13:18:10] <PulkoMandy> http://dl.free.fr if you don't mind that everyone can download it
[13:18:31] <Anarchos> PulkoMandy no pbm, those are the binaries of TexLive compiled for haiku :)
[13:19:00] <PulkoMandy> depends on how long you need them stored then
[13:19:10] <PulkoMandy> free service is only 24hr or something like that
[13:19:34] <PulkoMandy> if you want, I can put them on my own ftp server (but the bandwith is slow)
[13:19:42] <PulkoMandy> or maybe haikuports will host it
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[13:22:21] <PulkoMandy> ok :)
[13:22:59] <Anarchos> je connaissais pas ce service
[13:23:11] <Anarchos> je vais faire une annonce sur beosfrance aussi
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[13:31:54] <Anarchos> c fait.
[13:32:02] <Anarchos> i go to eat and come back soon !!
[13:32:25] <PulkoMandy> :)
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[13:33:26] <leo2__> ok, bug submitted
[13:33:50] <leo2__> what's needed to be reported for this kind of bug ? just to be sure the report is complete..
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[13:35:07] <PulkoMandy> some info about the hardware, for example lspci, lsusb on linux on the same computer if you can
[13:35:48] <PulkoMandy> you can look at the syslog and other debug options to see if there's something useful
[13:35:52] <johnny_b> Anarchos: rapidshare, dropbox
[13:36:15] <PulkoMandy> (press shift just before it boots, there's a menu where you can enable on screen debug and other things)
[13:37:24] <leo2__> ok, I'll have a look at the debug log
[13:39:09] <leo2__> let's try again :)
[13:39:10] <leo2__> brb
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[13:48:03] <l_n> umm.. i had a problem with my desktop finding the boot image.. it was because the sata was set to raid mode in the bios.. set it to 'native ide' and it fixed the problem. unfortunately, though, that breaks windows. (and it didn't like my video card)
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[13:48:31] <l_n> too bad i came back after he left
[13:49:09] <PulkoMandy> he was booting from a cd, so I'm not sure sata can create problems
[13:49:25] <PulkoMandy> but maybe it does, so tell him when he has finished reading the syslog
[13:49:42] <l_n> i used anyboot from a dvd-rw, usb. used the raw image.. every image failed in the same way.
[13:49:56] <l_n> until i changed the sata mode.
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[13:53:23] <leo22_> back
[13:53:43] <leo22_> my bios has 3 options for sata: ide, raid, ahci
[13:53:49] <leo22_> by default it's set to raid
[13:53:59] <leo22_> try the 3 options, didn't change anything
[13:54:07] <leo22_> tried*
[13:54:26] <leo22_> also tried to disable ide dma, smp and acpi in haiku boot options
[13:54:28] <leo22_> no more luck
[13:54:50] <leo22_> enabled debug output but it's covered by the kernel debug window
[13:54:56] <leo22_> seems like it's seeing my cd drive
[13:55:01] <leo22_> but won't boot from it
[13:55:10] <leo22_> so maybe the way I burn the iso is the problem
[13:55:12] <PulkoMandy> the bootloader see it, but the kernel doesn't
[13:55:20] <leo22_> ok
[13:55:42] <PulkoMandy> you could also try booting from usb
[13:55:53] <leo22_> i have no usb pen drive
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[13:56:04] <PulkoMandy> ok, so you can't :)
[13:56:17] <leo22_> but maybe booting from sd card will work, since it's connected to usb it seems
[13:57:23] <PulkoMandy> yes, sometimes that works
[13:59:31] <leo22_> how can I write the image to an sd card ?
[14:00:49] <PulkoMandy> dd if=haiku.image of=/dev/yoursdcard bs=1M
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[14:01:06] <PulkoMandy> oyu need the .image or the anyboot (the iso will not work)
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[14:02:19] <evil_core> hi all
[14:02:42] <evil_core> http://www.redhat.com/archives/lvm-devel/2008-June/msg00066.html
[14:02:51] <evil_core> lvm2 for haiku?
[14:02:56] <Lelldorin1> re
[14:06:23] <PulkoMandy> evil_core: not really, they just updated the config.guess and config.sub, that means you can try running ./configure on haiku without getting "unknown operating system". likely it won't go much further
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[14:08:35] <evil_core> thats said, I got everything on ext4/lvm2/LUKS(aes-xts-plain) :/
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[14:12:00] <leo22_> PulkoMandy: don't have unix, got some tutorials for windows ?
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[14:14:10] <PulkoMandy> I don't know windows as well
[14:14:18] <PulkoMandy> you should be able to use flashnul
[14:14:43] <PulkoMandy> there's a guide for that somewhere on the haiku website
[14:14:51] <leo22_> ok, found something
[14:14:53] <leo22_> let's see
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[14:16:28] <l_n> i use dd for windows on my other box.. writes the images just fine
[14:16:48] <l_n> you just have to know how to read the NT raw device names (which isn't hard to figure out)
[14:18:41] <CIA-49> pulkomandy * r37562 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/system_info.cpp: Add gcc version information to kdl info command. This could help debugging in some cases and fixes #3240.
[14:19:23] <l_n> speaking of kdl.. what was the command to start the hangman game? :P
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[14:20:32] <l_n> speaking of kdl.. what was the command to start the hangman game? :P
[14:20:36] <l_n> PulkoMandy: ^^
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[14:22:35] <leo22_> damn it, opera sucks :)
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[14:23:10] <leo22_> interrupted a download, started a download of the same file, but to another location.. and the interrupted download progresses at the same time as the new one ;)
[14:23:17] <leo22_> but the file isn't actually written
[14:23:18] <leo22_> funny one
[14:23:29] <Xeon3D> meh opera.
[14:24:03] <Anarchos> l_n hangman i think
[14:25:04] * l_n is impatiently waiting for some oats to soak up the water they're boiling in...
[14:25:08] <leo22_> submitted a bug report as well
[14:25:15] <leo22_> seems like it's bug report day for me ;)
[14:25:24] <leo22_> ok, found disk image, hope this will do it
[14:26:19] <leo22_> brb
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[14:29:09] <Xeon3D> l_n  oat cookies are the best.
[14:31:19] <evil_core> w3m rulez!
[14:32:52] <l_n> Xeon3D: you have a recipe?
[14:32:59] * l_n is always willing to try new cookies
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[14:34:26] <Leo22_> back
[14:34:36] <Leo22_> can't boot from sd card either
[14:34:43] <l_n> evil_core: kdl hangman rulez more! :P
[14:34:48] <Leo22_> again partition is seen is debug log, but won't boot from it
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[14:35:00] <Leo22_> how could I tell the bootloader which device to boot from ?
[14:35:04] <Leo22_> maybe this would work
[14:35:21] <Leo22_> cause by default it's set to "cdrom or harddrive" but i guess it's neither in that case..
[14:36:10] <l_n> Leo22_: i was having the same issues... use the raw image on some usb device, set sata to 'native ide' or whatever is similar.. it should work
[14:36:38] <Leo22_> ok, let's see... <30th attempt> ;)
[14:37:33] <PulkoMandy> l_n : the command is kdlhangman
[14:37:58] <l_n> PulkoMandy: danke
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[14:38:37] * l_n goes to look at the source to figure out how to quit once it's started..
[14:39:09] <Xeon3D> l_n no, I buy them already cooked...
[14:39:22] <Xeon3D> l_n I think there is still one left if you want a pic.
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[14:39:48] <l_n> Xeon3D: that's just wrong....
[14:39:55] <Xeon3D> l_n : http://www.loja-net.pt/loja/images/2024601_lar.jpg
[14:40:29] <l_n> and here i thought you were going to take a picture of a cookie and torment me with it. :P
[14:40:47] <Xeon3D> Well, I still can.
[14:40:59] <Xeon3D> just searching the net was quicker / easier.
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[14:51:25] <leoHaiku> finally got it to boot !
[14:51:43] <leoHaiku> My sd card magically appeared in the boot loader => boot devices
[14:51:50] <leoHaiku> just had to select it from here
[14:52:23] <leoHaiku> seels like my network board is also detected, it's nice :)
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[14:54:28] <leoHaiku> how can i install some webbrowser ?
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[14:55:17] <l_n> leoHaiku: installoptionalpackage -a webpositive
[14:55:35] <l_n> from the terminal (click on the desktop and press alt+win+t)
[14:57:54] <leoHaiku> ok, thanks, done
[14:59:46] <leoHaiku> hmm nice
[14:59:49] <leoHaiku> even sound works !
[15:00:18] <leoHaiku> is the included media player enough to play most media files ? or is it outdated ?
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[15:01:43] <PulkoMandy> it works for most thing
[15:01:50] <leoHaiku> ok, great
[15:01:54] <leoHaiku> let's find some media files then
[15:02:00] <PulkoMandy> you can install vlc if you ever need it
[15:02:01] <leoHaiku> or maybe I could mount my ntfs partitions ?
[15:02:07] <PulkoMandy> (most notably, for dvd playback)
[15:02:11] <PulkoMandy> yes
[15:02:16] <PulkoMandy> right click the desktop, mount
[15:02:40] <Disreali> yay! power is restored!!!
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[15:03:14] <leoHaiku> hmm.. it's not seeing my harddrive.. weird..
[15:05:03] <leoHaiku> must be something wrong with the partition table
[15:05:18] <leoHaiku> but i'm impressed so far
[15:05:22] <PulkoMandy> or you have to mess with thesata setting in the bios again ...
[15:05:22] <leoHaiku> runs very nice
[15:05:30] <leoHaiku> yeah, maybe
[15:05:35] <leoHaiku> but enough with that
[15:05:38] <PulkoMandy> :)
[15:05:49] <leoHaiku> too bad vesa can't select some native resolution for my screen though
[15:06:02] <leoHaiku> guess there's no geforce driver for haiku yet ?
[15:06:23] <PulkoMandy> if it booted in vesa, likely your card isn't supported
[15:07:50] <leoHaiku> hmm.. ok
[15:09:40] <leoHaiku> maybe there's a way to force some nvidia device, just to try it ?
[15:10:20] <PulkoMandy> you'd have to rebuild the driver
[15:10:24] <ali3n0> hi folks. Is there any kind of centralized package management for haiku? something like apt or such
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[15:11:35] <PulkoMandy> http://dev.haiku-os.org/browser/haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/graphics/nvidia/driver.c
[15:11:41] <PulkoMandy> here is the file you'd have to rebuild
[15:11:56] <PulkoMandy> ali3n0: there is the very limited "installoptionalpackage" script
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[15:12:10] <PulkoMandy> we're planning on something much better, but someone have to code it now
[15:12:16] <ali3n0> ok, cool
[15:12:22] <l_n> ali3n0: the closest we have is either the installoptionalpackage script or the very unofficial synthetic package manager on haikuware.com
[15:12:29] <ali3n0> ah, did you find $ to pay the programmer then?
[15:12:31] <leoHaiku> that's most impressive is the speed though
[15:12:38] <leoHaiku> tried a lot of os on that computer
[15:12:40] <l_n> ali3n0: $3k
[15:12:46] <ali3n0> cool!
[15:12:46] <leoHaiku> from many linux distribs, to windows, macosx,..
[15:12:51] <leoHaiku> haiku really is fast
[15:13:08] <l_n> and even in alpha state is better than *nix for home computing :P
[15:13:09] <PulkoMandy> I keep wondering how ca nthe others be so slow :)
[15:13:43] <ali3n0> l_n, yeah I agree. I'm just waiting for a splash login to put it on my workplace
[15:14:05] <PulkoMandy> there's a login application, but not doing much yet
[15:14:05] <leoHaiku> are there any small games I could try ? just to be impressed even more ;)
[15:14:20] <ali3n0> I'm not in a rush
[15:14:26] <PulkoMandy> you can download some sdl games at haikuware.co
[15:14:27] <PulkoMandy> .com
[15:14:30] <leoHaiku> btw, how do you switch between apps in haiku ? iirc there's something like alt+tab, but i don't remember the shortcut
[15:14:40] <CIA-49> bonefish * r37563 /haiku/trunk/src/tests/system/kernel/file_corruption/fs/checksumfs.cpp: Prevent creation of entries in unlinked directories.
[15:14:41] <PulkoMandy> ctrl+tab
[15:14:42] <ali3n0> but I'm looking forward to it
[15:14:50] <PulkoMandy> most of the time alt and ctrl are reversed
[15:14:57] <PulkoMandy> (works like on mac os actually)
[15:15:02] <Disreali> uhg! power may be off again. power company needs to replace several transformers in the area
[15:15:08] <leoHaiku> ok
[15:15:11] <leoHaiku> really, really nice:)
[15:15:19] <leoHaiku> the browser seems to be ok
[15:15:24] <ali3n0> Disreali, hope you don't have to admin servers :_P
[15:15:25] <leoHaiku> thought it would be less advanced
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[15:15:54] <Disreali> Did you know that power transformers have a pinkish-purple light when they esxplode?
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[15:16:24] <Disreali> it was a very interesting light show last night
[15:16:46] <Disreali> ali3n0; nope. just my personal servers
[15:17:12] <Anarchos> leoHaiku there was a snes emulator on beos, i don't know if it works on haiku anymore
[15:17:13] <Disreali> and I don't have much reason to run that one much anymore
[15:17:59] <ali3n0> guys where's the best place to propose features on haiku?
[15:18:23] <Disreali> haiku or haiki-dev mail lists
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[15:19:00] <Disreali> http://www.haiku-os.org/community/ml
[15:19:31] <leoHaiku> real nice
[15:19:36] <leoHaiku> wish I could use it
[15:19:51] <leoHaiku> could be nice for general web machine
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[15:20:31] <leoHaiku> will beos binaries run when using the gcc4 version ?
[15:20:58] <OmniMancer> gcc4 only or gcc4h?
[15:21:04] <OmniMancer> if its gcc4 then none
[15:21:35] <leoHaiku> hmm.. no idea
[15:21:40] <leoHaiku> what's the difference ?
[15:22:02] <leoHaiku> just downloaded doom2, got a missing libnet.so error message
[15:22:25] <CIA-49> bonefish * r37564 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/fs/vfs_request_io.cpp: Fixed build with TRACE_VFS_REQUEST_IO enabled.
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[15:23:56] <ali3n0> for me haiku will be killer when it can give me a way to safely keep data on it, aka built-in cryptography
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[15:25:21] <ali3n0> I know ubuntu recently did something for it, it's called ecryptfs: https://launchpad.net/ecryptfs
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[15:29:37] <leoHaiku> seems like after some time downloads are stalled
[15:35:42] <l_n> leoHaiku: did you d/l the SDL game libs (gcc4) from haikuware as well?
[15:37:10] <CIA-49> anevilyak * r536 /webkit/trunk/WebKit/haiku/WebCoreSupport/FrameLoaderClientHaiku.cpp: Slight update to user-agent due to an oversight. Thanks Stephan for catching that error!
[15:37:49] <leoHaiku> how do i mount ntfs partitions using the command line ?
[15:38:26] <leoHaiku> the drivesetup is correctly seeing my partitions, but when right clicking => mount on the desktop it only sees the extfs2 one
[15:42:26] <leoHaiku> ok, perfect, worked using the terminal
[15:43:29] <l_n> do any of you know if the ARM netbooks are worth buying?
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[15:46:13] <Disreali> what ARM netbooks have been released?
[15:46:35] <Disreali> I did not think any were out yet
[15:46:49] <l_n> there's a bunch out of asia
[15:46:59] <l_n> i don't know if the snapdragon netbooks are out yet, though
[15:47:41] <Disreali> snapdragon is qualicom's ?
[15:48:26] <l_n> i think so.. not sure.. just now digging around on google about it.
[15:48:56] <l_n> snapdragon is the 1GHz ARM proc in the htc incredible, evo4G, droid x, etc.
[15:49:02] <Disreali> I recall someone on here saying they where going to attempt a Loongson port
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[15:49:43] <Leo22_> finaly got it to crash ;)
[15:50:44] <Leo22_> ran 4 videos at the same time, not impressive at all
[15:50:59] <Leo22_> but the impressive thing is how resizing of overlaping videos/windows is smooth
[15:51:15] <Leo22_> in any other Os (yes, including OSX), it tends to be slow/not smooth
[15:51:20] <Leo22_> it's so blazing fast here
[15:51:44] <Leo22_> nice work !
[15:52:19] <l_n> Leo22_: there's a video on youtube of a guy running 60 videos at once in vlc
[15:52:33] <Leo22_> not surprising
[15:52:33] <Leo22_> :)
[15:52:39] <Leo22_> haiku really is the media os..
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[15:53:01] <Leo22_> looking forward to the next release
[15:53:24] <l_n> last i looked, i think they were 73% to R1
[15:53:25] <l_n> :p
[15:53:49] <Leo22_> great :)
[15:54:31] <Leo22_> finally a true multimedia alternative os :)
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[16:04:09] <Leo22_> what's sckeduled for alpha 3 ?
[16:06:52] <Disreali> stability
[16:07:33] <Disreali> nothing else has really been discussed so far
[16:09:39] <mmadia> the fix for the installing on CD's will be included.  gcc 4.4.x
[16:10:13] <mmadia> http://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/R1/Alpha2/ImprovementsSinceRelease
[16:14:40] <Leo22_> ok
[16:15:04] <mmadia> that page needs to be updated too.
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[16:19:30] * l_n wonders why people think that google controlling more of the UI in android 3.0 will be bad.
[16:19:47] <l_n> i'm in favor of consistency and things playing well together..
[16:20:24] <Hodapp> fuck that whole let-Google-control-the-UI business - I'll just buy an iPhone instead.
[16:20:34] <Hodapp> er. uh. wait.
[16:20:34] <Hodapp> hm.
[16:20:53] <l_n> iphone's are worse.
[16:21:08] <Hodapp> really now :P
[16:21:26] <l_n> or at least apple's policies concerning the iphone are
[16:22:07] <Anarchos> Hodapp at work they ask us to gain skills in GWT :/
[16:22:55] <Anarchos> Anybody knows of a light framework to run my own website ? i tried joomla but it is overbloated to me
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[16:27:34] <Leo22_> Anarchos: try codeigniter
[16:28:13] <Leo22_> Hodapp: well, it's either let google control the apps, or let apple do it.. difference is that you may use a google phone if your left handed.. and without a case ;)
[16:28:57] <PulkoMandy> Anarchos: use PulkoCMS !
[16:29:06] <Anarchos> PulkoMandy lol is it yours ?
[16:29:11] <PulkoMandy> yes
[16:29:13] <mmadia> got a link to that PulkoMandy?
[16:29:18] <PulkoMandy> less than 500 lines of perl code
[16:29:26] <PulkoMandy> http://pulkomandy.ath.cx
[16:30:00] <PulkoMandy> http://pulkomandy.ath.cx/_/_PulkoCMS/_/
[16:30:04] * l_n points PulkoMandy to an html tutorial. :P
[16:30:05] <PulkoMandy> more precisely
[16:30:15] <PulkoMandy> my html is perfectly valid
[16:30:23] <l_n> PulkoMandy: wrong nick
[16:30:27] <l_n> i meant Anarchos
[16:30:27] <PulkoMandy> and yes, I know the stylesheet is ugly
[16:30:30] <Anarchos> PulkoMandy i wanted joomla on haiku but there is no mysql :(
[16:30:49] <PulkoMandy> http://www.freecsstemplates.org/
[16:30:56] <PulkoMandy> you can use any templates from there
[16:31:09] <PulkoMandy> I also have a php version somewhere, not sure if I put it onine
[16:31:13] <Hodapp> http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/iphone_bingo.jpg
[16:32:53] <Anarchos> PulkoMandy that is exactly what i need !!
[16:33:09] <Anarchos> PulkoMandy is it possible to make subsections for each children of my family ?
[16:33:57] <PulkoMandy> there are sections on the top (article, photos, ...) and subsections in the sidebar
[16:34:22] <l_n> Hodapp: i have to wonder how an engineering mistake like that could have made it past the initial testing...
[16:35:47] <PulkoMandy> Anarchos: if you want more, it should be easy to add an extra level, just look at the code
[16:36:09] <Anarchos> PulkoMandy i don't know perl, but i will look
[16:36:40] <PulkoMandy> I don't know much of it either, so it shouldn't be too complicated
[16:36:47] <l_n> Disreali: up for some doom2? :)
[16:36:59] <l_n> you could get some practice with the keyboard..
[16:37:07] <Disreali> hehe
[16:37:31] <Disreali> sure
[16:37:33] <l_n> (and two more people could join as well)
[16:38:20] <Disreali> what wad/map?
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[16:38:28] <l_n> i'm just gonna warp to 32
[16:38:31] <l_n> doom2.wad
[16:38:34] <Anarchos> Disreali is it on haiku your doom2 ?
[16:38:50] <Disreali> yes.
[16:39:07] <Disreali> l_n; ported chocolate DooM
[16:39:19] <Anarchos> Disreali can i give it a try ?
[16:40:23] <Disreali> yeah. it is on haikuware.com  you also need the SDLgamelibs pack that is there
[16:40:24] <l_n> you need the SDL game libs for gcc4 (properly installed) and chocolate doom
[16:41:13] <l_n> if you're using gcc2hybrid: unzip the SDL libs to a temporary location. copy everything in common/lib/ to /boot/common/lib/gcc4
[16:41:32] <l_n> then mv everything else to the appropriate directories
[16:41:55] <Disreali> oops. that may be why my system is a little screwy
[16:42:09] <Anarchos> will try later though
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[16:43:20] <Disreali> hey there OmniMancer
[16:43:29] <Disreali> come play DooM
[16:43:33] <l_n> 75.136.221.82
[16:43:46] <l_n> hrm.. my external ip actually changed.
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[16:44:39] <l_n> Disreali: are you 'user' ?
[16:45:40] <l_n> okay.. it's waiting.
[16:46:06] <Disreali> it started ok, but then the connection failed
[16:46:13] <l_n> weird.
[16:46:20] <l_n> i saw you connect.
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[16:48:35] <l_n> Disreali: let's kill the cyberdemon instead :P
[16:49:04] <Disreali> ok. how?
[16:49:31] <l_n> join the game
[16:49:46] <Disreali> i'm already joined
[16:49:53] <l_n> erm. quit and rejoin
[16:49:55] <Disreali> join a new game?
[16:49:57] <l_n> yeah
[16:49:59] <Disreali> ok
[16:55:24] <Anarchos> app_server is taking 200M of memory !!! (seen in processController) is it due to firefox ?
[16:55:33] <l_n> hrm.. need to go for a bit
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[16:57:51] <Anarchos> Is it a way to restart app_server without killing apps ??
[16:58:04] <Disreali> Anarchos; app_server grabs as much mem as it can
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[16:58:15] <Disreali> NO! don't do that
[16:58:43] <Anarchos> Disreali ah ok because my hard drive is scratching a lot
[16:58:50] <Disreali> how much RAM does the system have?
[16:59:00] <Anarchos> in addition, haiku takes more than 20s to start
[16:59:35] <Disreali> scratching?? do you mean 'thrashing'?
[16:59:55] <Disreali> at least that is the term I learned
[17:00:26] <Disreali> I want Quake2 for haiku
[17:01:29] <Anarchos> Disreali it makes a lot of noise
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[17:02:22] <Anarchos> Disreali 503Mb in "About system"
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[17:31:46] <handheldcar2> Does Haiku have a shortcut that moves to the end of a word like Ctrl right arrow in other OSes?
[17:33:01] <mmu_man> it should work in most apps
[17:33:33] <handheldcar2> It hasn't been working in WebPositive
[17:33:50] <mmu_man> hmm IIRC it works in Pe, but it has its own text control
[17:34:17] <mmu_man> it'd be a nice thing for BTextView, you can send a patch :p
[17:34:57] <Disreali> Haiku does not. Bezilla and other apps may implement it themselves
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[17:36:12] <humdinger> Are you sure?
[17:36:17] <humdinger> It does here.
[17:36:27] <humdinger> Only Web+ doesn't.
[17:37:10] <humdinger> It even works when renaming a file in Tracker,
[17:39:15] <mmadia> there's a bug in renaming files in Tracker. ...
[17:39:27] <mmadia> the insertion point is always at the end of the filename.
[17:39:50] <mmadia> you can see this by trying  Shift+Left_Arrow
[17:40:43] <mmadia> wait... i might've explained that badly.
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[18:19:05] <BGA> hey.
[18:19:26] <humdinger> hi BGA!
[18:19:27] <mmu_man> plop
[18:19:33] <humdinger> Any luck with your new laptop?
[18:22:43] <BGA> humdinger: Not yet. I will have to do 2 talks in 2 huge events next week, so I am improvising.
[18:22:53] <BGA> I had a Dell Studio hybrid I used as a server.
[18:23:05] <BGA> It turns out it runs Haiku well enough.
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[18:23:23] <BGA> The Intel Extreme driver results in my monitor going out of sync (so I need to use VESA).
[18:23:38] <BGA> And the HDA driver is skipping audio.
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[18:24:31] <BGA> mmu_man: BTW, any idea about how to create a Haiku Hybrid build form inside haiku? Do I need to download de build tools and cross compile?
[18:24:50] <humdinger> Too bad. Something's wrong with the intel extreme on this netbook: the bitdepth/palette doesn't seem to be right... or it's a dithering problem...
[18:25:01] <Disreali> anyone know who ported 'quake2 for beos'? it does not run well on haiku
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[18:25:22] <humdinger> BGA: Maybe removing the native HDA and use OSS instead.
[18:26:02] <BGA> humdinger. I will try that. Although i did use to have problems with OSS.
[18:26:07] <BGA> In my other machines, that is.
[18:26:20] <BGA> All i wanted was a fully supportd multi-core Haiku laptop.
[18:26:24] <BGA> Is that too much to ask? ;)
[18:26:32] <Disreali> BGA; just co the buildtools and haiku trunk as described here
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[18:26:34] <Disreali> http://www.haiku-os.org/guides/building/get-source
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[18:27:01] <xeon5530> hmmmmmm
[18:27:10] <humdinger> BGA: I thought various devs use pretty well supported laptops. Most only dual-core though...
[18:27:17] <BGA> Disreali: My point is that Haiku does have GCC2 and GCC4. Having to download and build the build tools seem overkill. :P
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[18:27:30] <xeon5530> this phone sucks
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[18:27:51] <xeon5530> bga did u see my reply ?
[18:27:56] <BGA> humdinger: I have several computers/laptops. But they seem to being either too old or too new.
[18:28:05] <BGA> Some stuff work on one but not in another...
[18:28:10] <Disreali> BGA; there are updated optional pgks of both gcc's on haiku-files.org
[18:28:17] <xeon5530> hi dru345
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[18:28:22] <CIA-49> pulkomandy * r37565 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/decorators/BeDecorator/ (BeDecorator.cpp BeDecorator.h): * Fix the ClassicBe decorator for decorator API change.
[18:28:30] <BGA> xeon5530: About what?
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[18:28:52] <humdinger> I have a pretty well supported laptop. Core2Dual, but the company "Zepto" is out of business... :)
[18:29:16] <xeon5530> bga: that laptop of mine is fully suppprted as far as i can tell
[18:29:46] <xeon5530> the laptop, an hp 6530b
[18:30:05] <BGA> xeon5530: Ah... Will check it out. Thanks
[18:30:09] <dru345> hello o/
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[18:30:20] <xeon5530> even the card reader works...
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[18:30:27] <PulkoMandy> BGA: if you have both gcc available, no need to checkout and build them again
[18:30:47] <dru345> xeon5530 ... is Xeon3D ?
[18:30:47] <PulkoMandy> just use ./configure to set the alternative output dir, without the build cross tools thing
[18:31:12] <dru345> hi Duggan2
[18:31:12] <xeon5530> yup from my mobile!
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[18:32:15] <BGA> Pulkomandy: But will the build system be smart enough to switch GCCs when compiling the GCC4 stuff (when using GCC2 as the default in setgcc)?
[18:32:19] <dru345> lol ok xeon5530 i'm excited because i think i've wrapped up fixes mmadia's Tracker ticket. need to double check the ticket then make my patch.
[18:32:23] <humdinger> BGA: Are your talks being recorded? And are they in English or Portuguese?
[18:32:59] <BGA> humdinger: This time in portuguese, sorry. Ate least one will be streamed live.
[18:33:08] <BGA> But they will probably be recorded too.
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[18:33:47] <xeon5530> bga where and when? i'd like to watch.
[18:34:07] <humdinger> BGA: I see (and won't understand a word... :) Good luck anyway!
[18:34:08] <BGA> Check the events thing on the haiku site.
[18:34:54] <PulkoMandy> BGA: it works for me at least... not sre if I had to do something else but I know I don't have checked out the buildtools
[18:34:55] <BGA> It will be a CSBC (the biggest CS-related congress in Brasil) and FISL (the biggest open-source event in South America and one of the biggest in the world.
[18:34:55] <xeon5530> ok. humdinger i can try to translate if u want :)
[18:35:08] <BGA> PulkoMandy: Ok, thnks!
[18:36:28] <xeon5530> symbian = crap
[18:36:51] <xeon5530> i want a droid phone!
[18:38:01] <humdinger> "What?! What?! But... everyone is supposed to want an iPhone..."
[18:38:07] <humdinger> :)
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[18:39:34] * BGA has 8 different Android phones. :)
[18:39:35] * dru345 does a jedi hand wave towards xeon5530 - 'you want an iphone 4'
[18:39:49] <BGA> dru345: Hah!
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[18:40:41] * DraX just got an andy
[18:40:43] <dru345> happy mac user but i have my nokia. because of the at&t thing.
[18:41:00] <dru345> hello mmadia
[18:41:06] <mmadia> 'lo all.
[18:41:24] <BGA> BTW, do you guys know any nice Haiku-related desktop background?
[18:41:33] <BGA> The one included in haiku is simply to bland.
[18:42:04] <dru345> i may have fixed all tracker bugs in that one ticket you submitted, mmadia. double-checking the ticket. will submit a patch later today if all goes well.
[18:42:13] <BGA> And another question: Does any of you have 3Dmov and the related movie files?
[18:42:14] <mmadia> congrats :)
[18:42:33] <BGA> Does = Do
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[18:43:13] <PulkoMandy> BGA: you can use OverlayImage to put the Haiku logo above any wallpaper
[18:43:21] <PulkoMandy> makes a nice replicant example too
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[18:44:14] <mmadia> and search haiku-os.org for 'wallpaper' and 'background' theres some forum topics
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[18:45:05] <BGA> PulkoMandy: Where can i find it?
[18:45:30] <mmadia> http://ronnywisor.de/images/Haiku/haikuwp2rw1024.jpg
[18:45:51] <xeon5530> ewwww no iphones for me
[18:46:22] <mmadia> http://fmcgorenc.deviantart.com/art/HAIKU-colibri-wallpaper-148689175
[18:46:28] <mmadia> http://imgur.com/a/PFG25/haiku_wallpapers
[18:46:32] <PulkoMandy> BGA: it's in haiku source tree, just jam OverlayImage
[18:46:51] <xeon5530> i already threw a 3g and a toch 2g against a wall
[18:51:18] <BGA> So, does any of you guys have the 3Dmov demo around?
[18:51:44] <mmadia> BGA : do you mean the Haiku3d demo?
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[18:52:57] <BGA> mmadia: Nope. 3Dmov. it is an old BeOS demo.
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[18:53:21] <BGA> It shows, for example, a book that you can drag videos to its pages.
[18:53:37] <luroh> 3dmov is in the repo, isn't it?
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[18:54:24] <luroh> src/apps/3dmov
[18:55:57] <BGA> luroh: Does that work at all? It is not the original one.
[18:56:10] <BGA> It seems someone started to rewrite it.
[18:56:24] <luroh> aha, well, i haven't tried it myself
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[18:56:35] <humdinger> I do have the original on my other computer...
[18:56:35] <dancxjo> Hooray for a successful compile!
[18:56:44] <humdinger> I think it only works with MPEGs
[18:56:48] <Anarchos> humdinger the source or the executable ?
[18:56:57] <humdinger> binary, Anarchos
[18:57:07] <humdinger> Straight from the old BeOS CDs
[18:57:18] <PulkoMandy> dancxjo: btw, how is the name of the export archive generated ? looks strange to me :)
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[18:57:35] <Anarchos> humdinger i get it too : i kept my BeOS partition alive
[18:57:46] <dancxjo> It's just the unix timestamp
[18:57:53] <dancxjo> .tar.gz
[18:57:56] <Anarchos> humdinger the only problem is i can't get video except gray levels because of the intel_extreme
[18:57:58] <dancxjo> what are you getting instead?
[18:58:32] <PulkoMandy> I get it, but it's not particularly readable
[18:58:47] <humdinger> Anarchos: I have a nvidia on my other computer. I think it worked with that one...
[18:58:49] <dancxjo> PulkoMandy: What would you like instead?
[18:58:55] <humdinger> Have to run for a while...
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[18:59:25] <PulkoMandy> dancxjo: something like hta_date_time would be nicer and easier to manage
[18:59:31] <Anarchos> humdinger-afk i never get the intel_extreme driver from haiku compile for beos R5 :(
[18:59:34] <dancxjo> PulkoMandy: I can't do an SVN check because it takes too long and times out. That really shouldn't be a problem, should it?
[19:00:00] <PulkoMandy> should work anyway yes
[19:01:34] <dancxjo> Please specify a format for the date
[19:01:35] <dancxjo> and time
[19:02:37] <CIA-49> pulkomandy * r37566 /haiku/trunk/data/catalogs/ (400 files in 42 dirs): * Sync all approved catalogs from hta.
[19:02:53] <PulkoMandy> year.month.day_hour.min.sec seems logical
[19:03:14] <BGA> PulkoMandy: BTW, there is something weird with timezones and the clock.
[19:03:23] <PulkoMandy> yes
[19:03:25] <BGA> Right now, Deskbar is saying 2:06 PM
[19:03:27] <Anarchos> tfhfyghghh
[19:03:29] <BGA> Which is the correct time.
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[19:03:41] <PulkoMandy> ICU does not know about timezones yet
[19:03:50] <BGA> But if I open the time preferences, it is showing 11:06 AM
[19:04:06] <BGA> Seems to be related to the timezone I am in (GMT - 3)
[19:04:25] <BGA> But I have no idea why deskbar shows one hour and the time preferences app show a different one.
[19:04:44] <PulkoMandy> likely the time preflet doing something weird
[19:05:21] <PulkoMandy> I saw dstcheck popping up a lot of time whereas it shouldn't have, too
[19:05:30] <dancxjo> Vos désirs, PulkoMandy, sont des ordres
[19:05:59] <PulkoMandy> dancxjo: this archive is much much faster than the old hta anyway, now I actually can handle it and still have some time for coding :)
[19:06:01] <PulkoMandy> thanks !
[19:06:48] <dancxjo> !! Was Matt going to make the BOM autoimport???
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[19:07:33] <PulkoMandy> maybe
[19:07:43] <Anarchos> PulkoMandy so how can i compile it for beos ?
[19:08:21] <PulkoMandy> ?
[19:08:45] <BGA> PulkoMandy: OverlayImage does not quite work.
[19:08:51] <BGA> it covers the icons.
[19:08:52] <BGA> :P
[19:08:58] <PulkoMandy> dancxjo: no idea, it would be nice too, but with an archive like this I (or anyone else) can do it by hand quite easily
[19:09:05] <PulkoMandy> oops :)
[19:09:32] <BGA> PulkoMandy: Forget it. I have to use it the other way around. :P
[19:09:44] <BGA> Drop the logo on it and set the background to what I want. :)
[19:09:54] <BGA> Still, there could be no icon over it.
[19:10:11] <PulkoMandy> report a bug then ;)
[19:10:18] <PulkoMandy> I'd rather fix the time preflet ...
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[19:10:43] <Anarchos> PulkoMandy how to compile the intel_extreme driver for beosR5
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[19:11:16] <PulkoMandy> Anarchos: mh... is it possible to do that ? I don't know much about drivers
[19:12:11] <Anarchos> PulkoMandy well drivers are as other app no ?
[19:12:22] <PulkoMandy> they mess with the kernel more
[19:12:25] <Anarchos> maybe configure --target=r5 and then jam intel_extreme ?
[19:12:36] <RQ> dancxjo: hi
[19:12:40] <PulkoMandy> yo ucan try that yes, but I don't know if the driver will like it
[19:12:57] <dancxjo> rq: hiya...any luck with pootle?
[19:13:03] <RQ> yup
[19:13:24] <dancxjo> rq: May I see?
[19:13:34] <RQ> I have patches for both current stable and beta trees, and a test instance running
[19:13:38] * PulkoMandy wants to test it too :)
[19:13:43] <Anarchos> PulkoMandy tu sais pas qui le saurait ?
[19:13:59] <PulkoMandy> Anarchos: non, aucune idée ...
[19:14:11] <RQ> PulkoMandy: I need those reference en.catkeys files though, cause it shows everything as 100% translated
[19:14:25] <RQ> dancxjo: we have it at http://www.haikuworld.info:8080/
[19:15:44] <PulkoMandy> dancxjo: the en.catkeys are in the archive you pull from BOM, right ?
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[19:16:42] <dancxjo> PulkoMandy: Correct
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[19:17:05] <dancxjo> ça ne marche pas
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[19:17:28] <PulkoMandy> yes... this haikuworld seems to be broken
[19:17:39] <RQ> what exactly?
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[19:17:55] <PulkoMandy> keeps loading forever, nothing shows up
[19:17:56] <RQ> Xeon3D : said it's slow
[19:18:12] <dancxjo> Xeon3D: Thinks *everything's* slow. :)
[19:18:12] <RQ> try reloading
[19:18:50] <RQ> ah, ok
[19:18:58] <RQ> it hasn't loaded for me yet either
[19:19:08] <dancxjo> I'm on reload #3
[19:19:08] <RQ> wait, i'll restart the service
[19:19:23] <dancxjo> That's one reason I'm skeptical of pootle.
[19:19:33] <PulkoMandy> that's one +1 for hta yes :)
[19:19:39] <dancxjo> Not really skeptical...just...i dunno
[19:19:47] <dancxjo> Apprehensive.
[19:19:54] <RQ> that's not really fear you know :P
[19:20:24] <RQ> OK, i just killed the service
[19:20:32] <dancxjo> I guess if it were on dedicated Haiku servers where someone has root access, it'd not be a problem
[19:21:15] <dancxjo> It came up for a second.
[19:21:44] <dancxjo> This is interesting to be on the other end of the equation (i.e. the one waiting for the server restart)
[19:22:00] <RQ> starting...
[19:22:14] <RQ> yeah
[19:22:27] <RQ> now it works
[19:22:27] <dancxjo> rq: does pootle know how to make catkeys????
[19:22:34] <RQ> yes, it does now
[19:23:40] <RQ> i can forward the patches for you to play
[19:23:49] <dancxjo> Woooooow
[19:24:05] <RQ> wow what?
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[19:24:41] <RQ> i said Pootle devs are cool :) one of them produced those patches in like a few hours :)
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[19:25:03] <RQ> and added an appropriate wikipage: http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/toolkit/catkeys
[19:25:21] <RQ> he intends to support catkeys starting with next version of translate toolkit/pootle
[19:25:27] <PulkoMandy> mh... so the translators have to click "skip" to go to the next string ? there's no way to select a string directly to correct a single typo ?
[19:26:09] <PulkoMandy> oh, I can click on the numbers too
[19:26:10] <PulkoMandy> sorry
[19:27:01] <RQ> he said he had it previously made so that you just have to click on translation and it turns into a textfield, but then some users didn't like it, so he disabled that feature.
[19:27:48] <RQ> however, they're really positive about feedback, so there shouldn't really be big problems
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[19:28:15] <dancxjo> Ladies and gentlemen, HTA has left the building.
[19:28:15] <PulkoMandy> the "related" box is nice, but should be told about whitespace
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[19:28:56] <PulkoMandy> getting "tall" as a suggestion for "install" doesn't make sense :)
[19:29:05] <RQ> :))
[19:30:24] <RQ> dancxjo: you may want to join Pootle if you know python :)
[19:31:16] <RQ> dancxjo: do you want me to forward the patches to you?
[19:31:44] <dancxjo> which patches???
[19:32:07] <RQ> the Pootle patches
[19:32:39] <dancxjo> Errr...nah...
[19:33:04] <PulkoMandy> there's no way to approve/disaprove strings ?
[19:33:12] <RQ> there is
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[19:33:16] <dancxjo> I don't think installing on my server before the official haiku servers is really necessary
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[19:33:57] <PulkoMandy> oh, and were did the comment/context fiekds go ? sometimes it's helpful to have them
[19:34:11] <RQ> dancxjo: i mean, no matter if you install on your server or on official ones, you'll need those patches if you want to install it :)
[19:34:17] <RQ> otherwise it won't support catkeus
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[19:34:42] <RQ> PulkoMandy: have you registered yourself a user?
[19:35:08] <PulkoMandy> no, just looking around as anonymous
[19:35:21] <RQ> log in as demo:demo, I'll make that an admin
[19:35:48] <RQ> dancxjo: should i make you an admin too?
[19:36:00] <dancxjo> Sure...why not
[19:36:20] <RQ> now you are
[19:36:36] <RQ> ah, so you're that Travis D. Reed who didn't answer my email....
[19:36:41] <RQ> shame on you!
[19:36:55] <dancxjo> which e-mail?
[19:37:08] <RQ> about pootle
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[19:37:54] <dancxjo> I'm a busy man, RQ. :) I only heard about the e-mail a few days ago. I'm so irresponsible when it comes to e-mail. :)
[19:37:54] <PulkoMandy> :)
[19:38:16] <PulkoMandy> nielx: we have both hta and pootle ready to install
[19:38:16] <dancxjo> As a translator, Pootle's pretty nice.
[19:38:21] <RQ> i sent it to haiku-l10n, then to you, then to Niels, then to haiku mailing list
[19:38:25] <PulkoMandy> now it's a difficult choice
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[19:38:34] <dancxjo> My vote is for Pootle
[19:38:35] <nielx> okay, I am not on haiku-l10n, so CC
[19:38:39] <RQ> and nobody answered
[19:38:39] <nielx> I can do both
[19:38:47] <nielx> RQ: Yes I ignored you
[19:38:49] <nielx> sorry
[19:38:52] <RQ> shame on you
[19:38:54] <dancxjo> I tried to respond!
[19:39:00] <RQ> ok, whatever
[19:39:03] <PulkoMandy> nielx: I don't want to handle both
[19:39:05] <dancxjo> yesterday...:)
[19:39:06] <mmadia> you're all talking now.  be happy :D
[19:39:16] <RQ> can we get it installed on Haiku, Inc's server?
[19:39:20] <PulkoMandy> (translations getting out of sync, and so on)
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[19:39:21] <dancxjo> nielx: Pootle is fine
[19:39:34] <PulkoMandy> I think I prefer hta for tabbing through fields
[19:39:39] <dancxjo> Adieu, HTA
[19:40:07] <dancxjo> I like that Pootle is stable
[19:40:12] <Xeon3D> :O
[19:40:13] <Xeon3D> Noooooo
[19:40:16] <Xeon3D> HTA must live on.
[19:40:19] <dancxjo> :)
[19:40:34] <Xeon3D> is there a vote thread?
[19:40:35] <RQ> we can rebrand pootle if you like
[19:40:44] <nielx> hootle?
[19:40:50] <dancxjo> lol
[19:41:14] <nielx> okay, I did not follow the discussion, but is Pootle ready for Haiku?
[19:41:21] <RQ> just refresh
[19:41:21] <RQ> :D
[19:41:28] <PulkoMandy> it handles the catkeys format
[19:41:41] <PulkoMandy> no import from BOM, no easy export to svn
[19:41:45] <PulkoMandy> (or i missed it)
[19:41:47] <RQ> it now says "Haiku Translation Assistant"
[19:42:04] <dancxjo> Actually, I think Pootle can directly hook up with SVN!
[19:42:08] <RQ> PulkoMandy: what is BOM?
[19:42:18] <dancxjo> rq: it's the link I gave you
[19:42:22] <dancxjo> build-o'-matic
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[19:43:21] <RQ> the catkeys.zip?
[19:43:46] <dancxjo> well, build-o'-matic does a lot more
[19:43:47] <dancxjo> but yeah
[19:44:16] <RQ> looking
[19:44:33] <PulkoMandy> Xeon3D: I guess you know both tools bette than me, so, do you have an idea what's missing from each side ?
[19:44:43] <RQ> why can't we have english catkeys in the SVN?
[19:44:50] <RQ> renamed to something like template.catkeys
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[19:44:55] <dancxjo> they are generated automatically
[19:44:59] <RQ> that would be so much easier
[19:45:00] <mmadia> the catkey collection isn't yet part of the branches/rewrite2  -- it's a local patch + bash script
[19:45:00] <dancxjo> during build time
[19:45:04] <Xeon3D> PulkoMandy, I don't know pootle that much.
[19:45:14] <Xeon3D> But if I was given a choice between both, i'd pick HTA.
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[19:45:38] <dancxjo> Pootle has great support for suggestions
[19:45:47] <dancxjo> (Though I hate not having tab support)
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[19:46:46] <PulkoMandy> yes, pootle really miss some ajax, too much mouse involved
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[19:47:08] <RQ> this is in progress
[19:47:21] <dancxjo> HTA is useable for the moment. We can use it (at its current location) until all the kinks are ironed out of pootle
[19:47:36] <dancxjo> and then pootle can be moved to the haiku server
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[19:48:20] <PulkoMandy> dancxjo : so, you will continue improving hta, or will it stay frozen during that time ?
[19:48:21] <brobostigon> evening all.
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[19:49:30] <dancxjo> PulkoMandy: Frozen except for the bugs that we're bound to find
[19:49:51] <dancxjo> In fact, mightn't pootle be stable enough, RQ?
[19:49:57] <RQ> I think it is
[19:50:09] <RQ> the only thing we need to iron out with it is SVN and BOM sync and
[19:51:02] <PulkoMandy> anyway, I'd like to get input from the translators
[19:51:13] <PulkoMandy> so we need to make them both public for testing
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[19:52:22] <Xeon3D> dancxjo may I pm ? :D
[19:52:35] <dancxjo> Of course! :)
[19:52:40] <dancxjo> What etiquette, Xeon3D!
[19:52:49] <Xeon3D> ;)
[19:52:55] <RQ> :D
[19:53:21] * Anarchos is idle: BRB
[19:59:17] <dancxjo> I'm a bit sad that HTA's been outmatched. :-/
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[19:59:49] <dancxjo> But I did just do translating for the first time in a long time thanks to the suggestions.
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[20:05:14] <Xeon3D> my translator-fu is not strong today. :/
[20:06:16] <dancxjo> perhaps you need some go-juice
[20:06:38] <nielx> okay, well guys, I don't care about the decision
[20:06:41] <nielx> for the translator
[20:06:54] <nielx> just drop me a message with installation instructions
[20:07:06] <RQ> dancxjo : it's not completely outmatched :)
[20:08:11] <dancxjo> :)
[20:08:39] <RQ> :D
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[20:12:32] <RQ> by the way
[20:12:37] <RQ> is GTK ported to Haiku?
[20:12:59] <l_n> no. and...no.
[20:13:11] <dru345> we have Qt tho
[20:13:25] <dru345> hi l_n
[20:13:53] <RQ> i know about qt :)
[20:14:05] <dru345> ok
[20:14:35] <dancxjo> Yuck!
[20:14:46] <dancxjo> I was opposed to Qt...gtk, no way!
[20:14:46] <dru345> yuck?
[20:14:50] <dancxjo> :)
[20:14:56] <dru345> um ok
[20:15:14] <dancxjo> Haiku shouldn't be dirtied up with 50000000000000000000000 disperate toolkits like linux
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[20:15:21] <l_n> i'm still opposed Qt
[20:15:22] <RQ> no, sure
[20:15:32] <l_n> but it's happened already.. so.. *shrugs*
[20:15:34] <dru345> i didn't say we want Qt everywhere but there's a port of it :P
[20:15:49] <RQ> l_n well, you shouldn't be against porting software
[20:16:03] <dancxjo> It would be nice to have GIMP and Inkscape and such. :)
[20:16:10] <RQ> both Qt and GTK work on Windows, but that doesn't make windows a million-toolkit-os
[20:16:14] <dru345> GIMP? hell no :P
[20:16:27] <dancxjo> That was just an example. :)
[20:16:33] <humdinger> I'd rather have an updated WonderBrush.
[20:16:44] <l_n> i'm not against porting software.. i'm against destroying the coherency of haiku by porting every toolkit known to man.. each with different goals.
[20:16:46] <dancxjo> Didn't wonderbrush cost $$$?
[20:16:48] <dru345> maybe a Haiku native app that builds on GIMP's backend but straight port? *spits* :P
[20:16:53] <humdinger> And?
[20:16:57] <dancxjo> here, here, l_n!
[20:17:05] <l_n> dancxjo: not stippi's new version :P
[20:17:06] <RQ> I only asked because Pootle authors also have an offline translation tool called Virtaal, which I really enjoy
[20:17:06] <humdinger> I bought long time ago. I think it was quite cheap.
[20:17:09] <RQ> but it's GTK-based
[20:17:32] <dru345> run Linux in a VM on Haiku and use it that way :P
[20:17:45] <l_n> or port it to BeAPI
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[20:17:55] <dru345> or that :D l_n
[20:18:00] <dawnspi1> hi
[20:18:02] <dancxjo> brb
[20:18:16] <dru345> ok
[20:18:21] <dru345> hi dawnspi1
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[20:18:35] <l_n> (BeAPI) > (<insert_*nix_toolkit_here>)
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[20:18:50] <dru345> ++ what l_n said
[20:19:22] <HaikuUser> I'm trying to install chromium bsu in haiku and it says I need libglpng.so.1
[20:19:25] <HaikuUser> what do I do?
[20:19:41] <dru345> port the lib if we don't have it ?
[20:19:52] <l_n> that may be part of SDLGamingLibsGCC4 on haikuware
[20:20:06] <l_n> check the description of that bit of software
[20:20:09] <HaikuUser> I just install that
[20:20:16] <l_n> *if* that lib is there..
[20:20:26] <l_n> and if you're using gcc2hybrid, it's a little trickier to install
[20:20:36] * l_n feels as if he's already explained this once today
[20:20:44] <HaikuUser> gcc4hybrid
[20:20:58] <l_n> n/m then. just unzip the SDL Game Libs zipfile to /boot
[20:21:35] <HaikuUser> still saying I need libglpng.so.1
[20:21:37] <HaikuUser> hmm
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[20:22:50] <dawnspi1> uhm
[20:22:57] <dawnspi1> i would like to try Haiku
[20:22:59] <dru345> perhaps it's looking somewhere it's not. might be 'fixable' with a symlink?
[20:22:59] <dawnspi1> but
[20:23:02] <PulkoMandy> dancxjo: argh, build o matic is not happy about your catalogs !
[20:23:21] <dancxjo> bugger
[20:23:22] <dawnspi1> i don't really understand how applications work
[20:23:34] <dawnspi1> i mean,
[20:23:43] <dancxjo> PulkoMandy: lesquels?
[20:23:57] <PulkoMandy> dancxjo: kits/locale/fi.catkeys has a negative checksum
[20:24:01] <PulkoMandy> that shouldn't ever happen
[20:24:20] <dancxjo> Hmmmm
[20:24:20] <dawnspi1> what kind executable are they, how are the framework or libs
[20:24:29] <l_n> dru345: google says glpng is its own lib
[20:24:36] <dancxjo> why are they building on my machine????
[20:24:39] <l_n> and it doesn't exist on haikuware.com
[20:25:09] <dru345> ok l_n but you said it was in SDL Game Libs?
[20:25:16] <l_n> dawnspi1: please be a bit more specific about your questions
[20:25:21] <l_n> dru345: i said it *might* be.
[20:25:38] <dru345> oh! I misunderstood :P
[20:25:59] <PulkoMandy> dancxjo: no idea... try removing generated/objects/haiku/common/ to be sure
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[20:26:28] <dru345> dawnspi1 they're Haiku (or BeOS) executables. ELF format I believe.
[20:26:46] <dawnspi1> l_n, i would like to know hpw are compilated applications, wich librairies can be used,
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[20:26:58] <dru345> framework/libs are BeOS API-based. written in C++.
[20:27:23] <l_n> dawnspi1: the libs that can be used are whatever you can get to build and pass tests :)
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[20:27:32] <away345> lunch time. o/
[20:27:39] <l_n> there's a bunch of stuff on haikuware.com that has already been built.. also ports.haiku-files.org
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[20:28:17] <dawnspi1> so i can use most of the libs i know on windows or linux (like SFML, Ogre, etc...?)
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[20:29:46] <away345> if the libraries have been ported, yes, dawnspi1
[20:30:05] <away345> Haiku aims for posix compliance which makes things like that easier
[20:30:27] <dawnspi1> and if it's an open source librairie i can compile it for haiku ?
[20:31:10] <l_n> yep
[20:31:35] * l_n goes hunting for an implementation of shm.h that may serve his purposes.
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[20:32:41] <nielx> I'm off!
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[20:35:42] <dawnspi1> I think i've better to try it in a virtual box
[20:36:30] <away345> for virtual box be sure to choose Other for OS and Intel Pro 1000 Desktop for network card
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[20:38:49] <dawnspi1> thx away345 ;)
[20:39:44] <dawnspi1> but i'm a bit scared about 3D developpement with Haiku
[20:41:11] <dawnspi1> (sorry for my bad english ^^)
[20:42:46] <Anarchos> dawnspi1 i have blender for beos
[20:43:41] <dawnspi1> i meant for developping with openGL (i have a second PC with 3DS MAX for 3D annimation)
[20:43:57] <dawnspi1> because i use to use DirectX
[20:44:10] <CIA-49> pulkomandy * r37567 /haiku/trunk/data/catalogs/ (179 files in 30 dirs): * A subtle bug in hta catkey computation made linkcatkey fail at buid o matic (freebsd), but not haiku, nor linux. Fix the affected files to make freebsd happy.
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[20:52:02] <dawnspi1> and, last question ^^ what 's the difference between BeOS and Haiku ?
[20:52:48] <l_n> haiku runs on new compuers?
[20:52:55] <l_n> computers*
[20:53:10] <PulkoMandy> haiku is better
[20:53:28] <PulkoMandy> localized, draws with antialiasing, can handle more than 1GB RAM
[20:53:33] <PulkoMandy> and much much more
[20:54:40] <HeTo> Haiku is programmed from the ground up and shares little code with the BeOS (Tracker and the Mail Replacement Daemon are based on BeOS code AFAIK)
[20:56:09] <dawnspi1> ok so  i'll try it and see if it fit to me
[20:56:21] <humdinger> Both being quite a PITA code-wise, if I'm informed correctly...
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[20:56:49] <PulkoMandy> Mail Daemon Replacement isn't from BeOS
[20:56:59] <PulkoMandy> it was developped on BeOS but by an independant team
[20:57:05] <PulkoMandy> (now all of them are haiku devs)
[20:57:21] <PulkoMandy> and yes, the code is not as clean as other parts of haiku
[20:57:24] <l_n> i really think that haiku will be in a good position to make great inroads into the desktop os marketshare :)
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[20:58:13] <l_n> once R1 is reached and more people use it.. (actually, most open source people will jump on betas, so i think we'll see a major surge in haiku adoption at the betas)
[20:58:21] <l_n> but, i could be wrong
[20:59:55] <humdinger> IMO it'll all succeed or fail with the available apps.
[21:02:10] <l_n> and that's why i keep trying to build various things that amuse me and the libs they require. and then post the resulting binaries on haikuware.com :P
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[21:02:39] <dancxjo> l_n, i'm sure I could look it up, but give me a quick run down on some of your fav apps?
[21:03:48] <PulkoMandy> friss is needing some love too
[21:03:59] <l_n> so far, i've worked on enigma, xerces-c++, chocolate doom, the mana world, and a couple of others that i may or may not have shared :P
[21:04:37] <PulkoMandy> if someone wants to do some haiku development, I can provide svn and trac for friss, an rss feed reader
[21:04:42] <dancxjo> Is there a wish list out there of apps that need to be made?
[21:04:43] <PulkoMandy> I'd like to see more features in it :)
[21:04:51] <mmu_screen> that's why it's called mail daemon *replacement* :D
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[21:05:38] <l_n> dancxjo: what do you want to see run on haiku?
[21:06:16] <PulkoMandy> btw, can someone running a fairly recent build confirm that the analog clock in the time preflet is fine, but the editbox above it is wrong ?
[21:06:18] <dancxjo> I'm currently thinking on that
[21:06:26] <PulkoMandy> (if you set a timezone in the reflet)
[21:06:31] <dancxjo> I'm big into webapps
[21:06:36] <dancxjo> which makes me sad
[21:07:08] <dancxjo> It'd really be nice to have a really good office suite
[21:07:08] <dancxjo> that's gratis
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[21:07:30] <humdinger> PulkoMandy: r37527: analog says correctly 21:10, digital 22:10
[21:07:48] <PulkoMandy> ok
[21:07:52] <dancxjo> how's webpositive anyway? I haven't heard from it in a while and it never worked on my builds of haiku
[21:07:52] <PulkoMandy> thanks
[21:08:03] <cpr420> PulkoMandy: mine shows different times on 37541
[21:08:22] <l_n> dancxjo: it works now.. and there were commits made just today
[21:08:49] <dancxjo> now if only i hadn't installed Star Trek Online on my Haiku partition! :)
[21:09:08] <dancxjo> hmmm...where's my flashdrive?!
[21:11:10] <dancxjo> do I have to have grub on my flashdrive to load haiku????
[21:11:10] <dancxjo> I'm sure this has been answered a million and two times
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[21:12:50] <luroh> dancxjo: no, just dd a raw or anyboot image to it
[21:13:11] <dancxjo> I want to build it from scratch, luroh
[21:13:36] <luroh> ah
[21:14:15] <luroh> you want to build directly to the flash drive?
[21:14:16] <dancxjo> so I'll just do it without partitions, huh?
[21:14:20] <dancxjo> yeah
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[21:14:29] <dancxjo> I've done it before, methinks
[21:14:35] <luroh> i think you need a partition on the stick to do that
[21:14:36] <dancxjo> writing to drive right now
[21:14:43] <dancxjo> let's see if it boots
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[21:14:45] <dancxjo> ok
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[21:15:12] <dancxjo> i s'pose I'll need grub then
[21:15:19] <Lelldorin1> re
[21:15:22] <dancxjo> I so don't understand that very well
[21:15:25] <luroh> yeah
[21:15:35] <luroh> or bootman
[21:16:04] <dancxjo> I don't have a working haiku partition to bootman it
[21:16:15] <luroh> grub it is then :)
[21:16:19] <l_n> anyone wanna test frabs networking?
[21:16:42] <PulkoMandy> grub is far too complicated
[21:16:54] <PulkoMandy> use smart boot manager, or plop, or some similar stuff
[21:16:59] <dancxjo> is there a bootman installer for linux???
[21:17:07] <PulkoMandy> nt yet
[21:17:17] <dancxjo> eh....stick with the devil you know, PulkoMandy
[21:17:27] <PulkoMandy> it's only a matter of dding a 512 byte file to the disk
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[21:17:38] <PulkoMandy> and adding the partitions, which is less fun
[21:17:49] <PulkoMandy> smart boot manager should work well I think
[21:18:02] <dancxjo> ok
[21:18:12] <dancxjo> smart boot manager
[21:18:15] <dancxjo> googling
[21:18:22] <dancxjo> (I just remembered the insanity of grub)
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[21:20:30] <l_n> Disreali: are you here still?
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[21:21:12] <CIA-49> pulkomandy * r37568 /haiku/trunk/src/preferences/time/ (DateTimeEdit.cpp DateTimeEdit.h): * Use a BDateTime instead of a BTime to hold the time value forthe TimeEdit. This allow proper handling of conversion to time_t, taking timezones into account.
[21:21:31] <PulkoMandy> ok, one bug less :)
[21:21:51] <away345> great \o/
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[21:22:20] <PulkoMandy> are there other things you feel are badly localized ?
[21:22:27] <PulkoMandy> I'm not really sure what to do next
[21:22:28] * Xeon3D will brb
[21:23:44] <dancxjo> Good job, PulkoMandy!
[21:23:59] <dancxjo> PulkoMandy: What did you ever do about plurals???
[21:24:21] <PulkoMandy> nothing yet, I'm still waiting for someone to provide a test case as french works quite fine
[21:24:26] <PulkoMandy> no bug reports, no fixes
[21:25:07] <dancxjo> Mmmm...alas!
[21:25:15] <dancxjo> time to test your "smart" boot manager
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[21:30:41] <l_n> ...and now to figure out the port that abuse uses.
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[21:31:31] <dancxjo> hmmm...that was fruitless
[21:31:51] <dancxjo> I should let the blinky light stop before I jerk it out
[21:32:09] <dancxjo> I learned that in advanced computer science :)
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[21:38:42] <Xeon3D> rq u there?
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[21:45:12] <Xeon3D> hey Ziusudra
[21:45:31] <Ziusudra> hi Xeon3D & #haiku
[21:45:32] <RQ> i'm here
[21:45:45] <Xeon3D> tell me when you don't need the server anymore.
[21:45:52] <RQ> ok
[21:47:11] <l_n> hello, Ziusudra
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[22:00:28] <l_n> there will be a new version of abuse available (including fRaBs and the sfx files) as soon as haikuware's upload page finishes loading.
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[22:02:34] <CIA-49> czeidler * r37569 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/app/DefaultDecorator.cpp: Simplify code as suggested by Stippi.
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[22:13:08] <Xeon3D> nice l_n
[22:13:10] <Xeon3D> what's next?
[22:13:20] <CIA-49> mmu_man * r37570 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/decorators/MacDecorator/ (MacDecorator.cpp MacDecorator.h): Fix Mac decorator build.
[22:15:07] <Xeon3D> oh... there's one feature that I'd wish it wasn't included... :/
[22:15:58] <l_n> Xeon3D: dunno. i want to get d2x working, but the massive numbers of errors from the beginning of the build process makes me shy away for now
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[22:16:50] <mmu_screen> but obviously not the code
[22:17:47] <l_n> mmu_screen: ?
[22:18:09] <l_n> oh.. the commit.
[22:19:25] <l_n> http://haikuware.com/directory/view-details/games/2d/abuse-sdl
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[22:23:27] <dru345> grrrrrr
[22:23:36] <l_n> dru345: ??
[22:23:56] <dru345> Thought I fixed all the bugs in mmadia's Tracker ticket. I just found one case I didn't fix yet.
[22:24:20] <dru345> at least I know why it happens. it might be more difficult to fix though.
[22:25:02] <mmadia> btw, it is possible to send smaller patches to Trac.  like a ticket doesn't need to be completely fixed in one shot.
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[22:25:40] <l_n> source directory removal is so much *fun*
[22:25:43] <dru345> mmadia I understand but they're all tightly wrapped
[22:26:07] <dru345> no sense patching the same pieces of code over and over
[22:27:44] <dru345> well actually this part (the new window popping up in some cases of Alt+Up Arrow) fix may not end up in the same code section.
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[22:40:47] <dru345> the Up Arrow key has a Be constant no?
[22:41:26] <dru345> found it
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[22:47:44] <l_n> i don't know why i'm deleting things from Terminal.. Tracker will be much faster... :P
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[23:09:43] <HaikuUser> re
[23:10:12] <HaikuUser> are there any known problems when mounting ntfs partitions ?
[23:10:31] <HaikuUser> I see all my directories/files but it seems I cannot access any files
[23:10:32] <Xeon3D> haha, my sisters wants me to install (quoting) "whatever I have running on my laptop on hers"
[23:10:38] <Xeon3D> *sister
[23:10:42] <HaikuUser> when trying to display a simple jpg file it says unknown type
[23:10:55] <Ziusudra> that's a known issue
[23:11:07] <HaikuUser> but when copying that file to haiku it's ok
[23:11:11] <HaikuUser> hmm... I see
[23:11:14] <HaikuUser> is there a way to fix it ?
[23:11:15] <Xeon3D> i guess there will be another laptop running arch in the house.
[23:11:37] <Ziusudra> not that I know of
[23:12:04] <HaikuUser> so ntfs partitions are basically unusable ? :)
[23:13:49] <HaikuUser> can ext2 fs be mounted as read/write ?
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[23:19:09] <Ziusudra> I think so, but I haven't any to actually try it
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