July 17, 2010 
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July 17, 2010 [00:00:03] *** JoeyA has quit IRC[00:01:54] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[00:03:07] *** _gringo has quit IRC[00:04:42] *** _gringo has joined #haiku[00:05:36] *** raichoo has quit IRC[00:05:51] *** _gringo has quit IRC[00:06:03] *** _gringo has joined #haiku[00:08:29] *** impy has joined #haiku[00:15:09] *** Alam_Squeeze has joined #haiku[00:19:41] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[00:24:24] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[00:24:25] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[00:33:30] *** helf|laptop has quit IRC[00:34:28] *** _gringo has quit IRC[00:39:12] *** dru345 has joined #haiku[00:44:40] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[00:44:42] <Ziusudra> hi dru345[00:44:53] <dru345> hi[00:50:08] <Duggan> hi Ziusudra, dru345[00:50:17] <dru345> hello Duggan[00:50:24] <dru345> how is your coding?[00:51:11] <CIA-49> brecht * r917 /haikuports/trunk/app-arch/bzip2/ (bzip2-1.0.5-1.install bzip2-1.0.5-1.build): test for bep file generation by the portlog plugin[00:51:14] <Duggan> meh[00:51:29] <Duggan> had to give up on tweaking the layout stuff because it was just taking too much time....[00:51:43] <Duggan> only to turn around and have to use it again for another window...[00:52:01] <Duggan> which gave me problems from the start, so I've more or less taken the rest of the day off[00:52:08] <dru345> lol[00:52:11] <dru345> ooook[00:52:20] *** OlaHughson has quit IRC[00:52:37] <Duggan> was looking at freebsd earlier and downloaded an ISO which I'll install later... since then been looking at info on graphics driver development[00:53:02] <Duggan> because frankly I'm sick of this failsafe vesa crap :P[00:54:24] <Duggan> so if theres some way I can help with the intel extreme driver, I'll do so... but I imagine it'd take forever for me to get that far...[00:54:30] *** Andrius has quit IRC[00:54:35] <Duggan> but hey gotta start somewhere right?[00:54:55] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[00:57:24] <dru345> yup[00:58:38] *** Advant- has joined #haiku[00:58:54] *** Advant has quit IRC[01:03:02] <Duggan> here, read this and give me a full report: http://haikunews.org/projects/rc/en/index.html[01:03:22] <dru345> me?[01:03:27] *** Barrett_ has joined #haiku[01:03:48] <dru345> if you port abiword :P[01:05:14] *** mmadia has quit IRC[01:05:56] <Duggan> its html, use web+ :P[01:06:23] *** andreas_dr has quit IRC[01:14:14] *** l_n has joined #haiku[01:14:14] *** l_n has joined #haiku[01:15:38] <Duggan> hey l_n[01:15:51] <l_n> hello[01:16:12] <Duggan> how goes things?[01:16:51] <l_n> good.. listening to my mom's 88 yr old uncle tell stories[01:17:10] *** acous has quit IRC[01:18:37] <Duggan> good stuff :)[01:20:38] <l_n> definitely.. not enough people sit and listen to their elders.[01:22:05] <Duggan> yeah me and my mom were just talking about that the other day and she started telling me stories about when she was young[01:22:39] *** oco has quit IRC[01:32:18] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[01:32:52] *** warpdesign has quit IRC[01:34:02] *** l_n has quit IRC[01:37:40] <Duggan> hmm[01:37:51] <Duggan> would be a great document if it didn't crap out at the end of chapter 4 :/[01:41:00] <Duggan> and if the last half of appendix B wasn't in swedish[01:47:50] *** Advant- is now known as Advant[01:49:01] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[01:49:50] <jmayfield> ok.. rant for the day: anybody that goes and gets pedicures deserves oozing face boils[01:52:57] *** dru345 has quit IRC[01:52:57] *** Beyecixramd has quit IRC[01:52:57] *** saivert has quit IRC[01:52:57] *** Geoz has quit IRC[01:52:57] *** sprma has quit IRC[01:52:58] *** martinhpedersen has quit IRC[01:52:58] *** Hodapp has quit IRC[01:52:58] *** nisstyre65 has quit IRC[01:52:58] *** PacoLinux has quit IRC[01:52:58] *** cnuke has quit IRC[01:52:58] *** Tux has quit IRC[01:52:58] *** DraX has quit IRC[01:53:40] *** dru345 has joined #haiku[01:56:53] *** Beyecixramd has joined #haiku[01:56:53] *** saivert has joined #haiku[01:56:53] *** Geoz has joined #haiku[01:56:53] *** sprma has joined #haiku[01:56:53] *** martinhpedersen has joined #haiku[01:56:53] *** Hodapp has joined #haiku[01:56:53] *** nisstyre65 has joined #haiku[01:56:53] *** PacoLinux has joined #haiku[01:56:53] *** cnuke has joined #haiku[01:56:53] *** Tux has joined #haiku[01:56:53] *** DraX has joined #haiku[01:57:53] *** Duggan has quit IRC[02:02:55] *** Duggan has joined #haiku[02:03:01] <Duggan> fun times[02:06:11] <CIA-49> bonefish * r37542 /haiku/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs):[02:06:11] <CIA-49> Patch by Alex Wilson:[02:06:11] <CIA-49> * Implemented archiving/unarchiving support.[02:06:11] <CIA-49> * Coding style cleanup (some more by myself).[02:09:36] *** brechtm has left #haiku[02:12:36] <CIA-49> bonefish * r37543 /haiku/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs):[02:12:36] <CIA-49> Patch by Alex Wilson:[02:12:36] <CIA-49> * Implemented archiving/unarchiving support.[02:12:36] <CIA-49> * Coding style cleanup (some more by myself).[02:17:23] <CIA-49> bonefish * r37544 /haiku/trunk/headers/os/interface/GroupLayout.h: dos2unix[02:21:15] *** veve-mao has quit IRC[02:22:07] *** AlexFera has quit IRC[02:29:57] *** ambroff has quit IRC[02:30:30] *** JoeyA has joined #haiku[02:31:15] *** _gringo has joined #haiku[02:32:53] *** Alam_Squeeze has quit IRC[02:35:27] *** Alam_Squeeze has joined #haiku[02:36:37] <Disreali> reboot[02:36:39] *** Disreali has quit IRC[02:38:21] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[02:38:55] <Duggan> wb[02:39:17] <dru345> i have a video to finish for you Duggan[02:39:27] <CIA-49> bonefish * r37545 /haiku/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs):[02:39:27] <CIA-49> Patch by Alex Wilson (with minor changes by myself):[02:39:27] <CIA-49> * Added support for archiving/unarchiving.[02:39:27] <CIA-49> * Coding style cleanup.[02:43:43] <CIA-49> bonefish * r37546 /haiku/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Patch by Alex Wilson: Added archiving/unarchiving support.[02:46:22] <Duggan> dru345?[02:46:24] *** sprma_ has joined #haiku[02:49:01] *** sprma has quit IRC[02:49:01] *** sprma_ is now known as sprma[02:51:32] <Duggan> dru345 what do you mean?[02:51:43] <dru345> sorry i was opening the windows[02:51:53] <dru345> you'll see in a bit[02:52:23] <Duggan> I'm scared :/[02:52:59] *** handheldcar has quit IRC[02:54:06] *** Trezker has quit IRC[02:54:37] *** _gringo has quit IRC[02:59:20] <Duggan> btw, hope its something I can play with mediaplayer... remember, no youtube for me :P[02:59:32] <dru345> right[02:59:43] <dru345> good point. :D[03:00:26] <dru345> hmm what does mediaplayer support[03:00:35] <dru345> h264?[03:02:18] <Ziusudra> whatever ffmpeg has supported since it was ported[03:02:33] <CIA-49> bonefish * r37547 /haiku/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs):[03:02:33] <CIA-49> Patch by Alex Wilson:[03:02:33] <CIA-49> * Added archiving/unarchving support.[03:02:33] <CIA-49> * Coding style cleanup (some more by myself).[03:03:43] <Duggan> according to FileTypes...[03:03:53] <Ziusudra> there are native mp4 and Xvid plugins[03:04:02] <Duggan> avi, divx, mpeg, mpeg2, wmv, msmpeg(?), ogm, theora[03:06:36] * Duggan wonders what "DDC information read failure" means...[03:07:25] <Duggan> I'm going to open a ticket... I can't find any others that are quite like mine...[03:11:29] <Disreali> I just built and installed r37537 and bezilla wont work. error pops up saying it is missing libstdc++[03:13:19] <dru345> oh :P[03:13:20] <dru345> nice[03:13:44] *** xray7224 has quit IRC[03:13:54] <Disreali> dru345; not really[03:14:14] *** OmniMancer1 has joined #haiku[03:14:23] <Disreali> hey OmniMancer[03:14:24] <dru345> web+ dumped me into kdl[03:14:57] <Disreali> yeah, there has been a lot of things breaking recently[03:16:46] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[03:16:54] <luroh> fwiw, 37547 gcc2 here and bezilla works fine[03:17:30] <luroh> are you messing around with making hybrid builds?[03:19:42] *** Traveler7 has joined #haiku[03:20:50] *** Traveler7 has left #haiku[03:22:21] <Duggan> dru345 happened to me earlier today[03:22:56] <Duggan> 37527 gcc2hybrid and bezilla works fine[03:23:40] *** KnutBluetooth has joined #haiku[03:29:13] *** l_n has joined #haiku[03:29:13] *** l_n has quit IRC[03:29:13] *** l_n has joined #haiku[03:30:02] <l_n> ugh.. i'm tired and i can't remember what i was working on last time i was working on something :-/[03:30:28] <Duggan> I just filed a bug you can look at XD[03:30:52] <l_n> y'know, if you don't file them, the bugs don't exist :P[03:31:00] <Disreali> luroh; I'm on a gcc4hybrid. that may be the issue[03:31:15] <Duggan> well its official, its a bug.... I filed it :P[03:31:39] <l_n> Disreali: did you see on the chocolate doom page on haikuware that it tested 'working' on gcc2h?[03:31:46] <l_n> the mana world did, too.[03:32:35] <Disreali> l_n; cool. that and another game were the reason I went to the gcc4hybrids[03:32:41] <dru345> did tron get ported?[03:33:07] <Disreali> if only the mouse work in doom, then it would be fun[03:33:18] <Disreali> dru345: tron?[03:33:18] <Duggan> erm...... is trac broke?[03:33:38] <Disreali> Duggan: it was working a couple minutes ago[03:33:45] <dru345> someone was porting a tron game. maybe l_n?[03:34:08] <l_n> that was me[03:34:10] <Duggan> Disreali it was, I just filed a ticket, now no tickets are showing up[03:34:20] <l_n> i got the sdl little black window[03:34:22] <luroh> Disreali: i think that's just a b0rked build[03:34:34] <Duggan> hope I didn't break anything :/[03:34:41] <l_n> sdl + opengl is the problem[03:34:55] <Disreali> the only tron game I know of was the acade one I used to play at ChuckECheese[03:35:06] <Ziusudra> did your timeline options get changed?[03:35:37] <Disreali> Duggan; no issues here[03:35:49] <mmadia> Disreali : can you try something?[03:35:49] <Ziusudra> none here either[03:36:51] <Duggan> ok, I logged out and everything showed up... I logged back in and no tickets again...[03:37:16] <Duggan> is somebody screwing with my permissions?...[03:37:17] <Ziusudra> look at the box at the top right of the timeline page[03:37:28] <Ziusudra> is everything checked?[03:37:44] <Duggan> everything but ticket updates...[03:38:09] <Duggan> I checked that and still nothing[03:38:28] <Ziusudra> hmmm[03:39:19] <Ziusudra> what about the date or other fields?[03:39:43] *** l_n has quit IRC[03:39:45] <Duggan> looks like they're back...[03:40:39] * Disreali has returned[03:40:56] <Disreali> hey mmadia. what did you want[03:40:58] <mmadia> Disreali : can you tell me the output of cd /boot/apps/BeZillaBrowser/ ; md5sum BeZillaBrowser[03:41:08] <Disreali> sure[03:41:30] <Duggan> for anyone interested, #6326[03:43:49] <CIA-49> bonefish * r37548 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/interface/ (SplitLayout.cpp SplitLayout.h):[03:43:49] <CIA-49> Patch by Alex Wilson:[03:43:49] <CIA-49> * Added archiving/unarchiving support.[03:43:49] <CIA-49> * Coding style cleanup (some more by myself).[03:44:29] <Disreali> mmadia: /boot/apps/BeZillaBrowser> md5sum BeZillaBrowser 890eb2cbe66a9615fc25106acd13e6c2 BeZillaBrowser[03:47:33] <Disreali> also, I do not find a libstdc++.r4.so on my system. where should it be?[03:47:58] <mmadia> that's a gcc 2 system library[03:48:05] <cpr420> /boot/system/lib[03:48:14] <mmadia> and the md5sum matches the gcc2 binary.[03:49:02] <mmadia> btw, is Haiku_Bravo your boot drive?[03:49:11] <Disreali> there is a libstdc++.so , but not an r4 one[03:49:20] <Disreali> yes[03:49:30] <mmadia> odd, you don't have a booticon overlay[03:49:47] <Disreali> I have three installs Alpha, Bravo, and Gamma[03:50:10] <Disreali> oh yeah...[03:50:32] <Duggan> interesting...[03:50:35] <Disreali> I did not notice until you commented[03:50:48] <Duggan> couldn't make up your mind between phonetic and greek? ;)[03:51:45] <Disreali> well, I did not want to name one Beta. at least not yet[03:52:07] <Duggan> oh lol[03:52:11] <Disreali> so, yes would be the anser to your question[03:53:52] <mmadia> can you PM me the output of http://haiku.pastebin.org/401307 ?[03:54:14] <mmadia> yaarghh.. nm,[03:55:56] <mmadia> ok, the output of this : http://haiku.pastebin.org/401309[03:58:47] <Disreali> test.sh[03:58:48] <Disreali> 2[03:58:48] <Disreali> 1[03:58:49] <Disreali> hybrid: yes[03:58:55] <Disreali> doh[03:59:12] <mmadia> that's odd.[03:59:25] <mmadia> finddir B_SYSTEM_LIB_DIRECTORY[04:00:41] <Disreali> /boot/system/lib[04:00:54] <mmadia> open up that folder in Tracker[04:01:08] <mmadia> do you have a gcc4 or gcc2 subdir?[04:01:25] <Disreali> this rev may just be one of the many recent bad builds[04:01:34] <Disreali> there is both[04:01:37] <mmadia> well... i'm still curious why :)[04:01:38] <CIA-49> bonefish * r37549 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/interface/ (ViewLayoutItem.cpp ViewLayoutItem.h):[04:01:38] <CIA-49> Patch by Alex Wilson:[04:01:38] <CIA-49> * Added archiving/unarchiving support.[04:01:38] <CIA-49> * Coding style cleanup (some by myself).[04:01:46] <mmadia> ok, what's in the gcc4 subfolder?[04:02:04] <mmadia> and was this an install to a clean partition or on top of an existing install?[04:02:12] <Ziusudra> wait, both?[04:03:21] <Disreali> mmadia: I initialized the partition and then did the install. I always do that[04:03:39] <mmadia> good, then this uncovered some other issue :)[04:04:17] <mmadia> "installoptionalpackage : now with bugtesting features!"[04:04:30] <Disreali> hehe[04:04:56] <Disreali> mmadia; should I just spam the channel or somthing else?[04:05:04] <cpr420> SPAM![04:05:08] <Disreali> ok[04:05:12] <mmadia> umm, pastebin `ls -lha` insides the gcc4 dir[04:05:24] * cpr420 wants SPAM[04:05:46] <mmadia> http://www.iqcontent.com/blog/files/wp/2010/02/spam.jpg[04:06:11] <Ziusudra> lol[04:06:25] <cpr420> that picture is almost nsfw if you look at it the right way[04:06:32] <Disreali> http://haiku.pastebin.org/401324[04:06:55] <mmadia> can you `cd gcc4 ; ls -lha` ?[04:07:17] <Disreali> next gcc4 http://haiku.pastebin.org/401326[04:07:36] <Duggan> ah lha.... now that was a compression algorithm![04:07:55] <mmadia> intresting.[04:08:10] <Duggan> or program or whatever, I never really looked into what algorithm it actually used...[04:08:27] <mmadia> that makes no sense.[04:08:44] <jmayfield> lha.. heh.. what next, directory opus?[04:09:10] <Disreali> mmadia: which?[04:09:52] <mmadia> i really wasn't expecting to see that many libraries in lib/gcc4/[04:10:01] <mmadia> what about gcc2/ ?[04:10:31] *** Geoz has quit IRC[04:10:42] <Disreali> one moment[04:11:12] <mmadia> one thing that i'm thinking of is that your build wasn't configured properly and you made a gcc4 + 4[04:11:23] <OmniMancer1> :P[04:11:47] <Disreali> http://haiku.pastebin.org/401336[04:11:57] <mmadia> yep.[04:12:10] *** _gringo has joined #haiku[04:12:16] <cpr420> gcc8?[04:13:10] <Disreali> mmadia; the first time I tried to biuld this rev there was an issue with libunzip.a or something. output of that attempt is here. http://haiku.pastebin.org/399959[04:14:20] <Disreali> I then rm'ed everthing in both generated dirs, re-ran configure in both dirs and jam worked fine[04:16:10] <Disreali> also, in order to build this rev, I had to install the newest optpkgs of gcc2 and gcc4 onto r37440[04:16:13] <mmadia> well, your configure line wasn't correct for the gcc2 directory.[04:16:26] <mmadia> cd generated.gcc2/build[04:16:30] <mmadia> lpe BuildConfig[04:16:52] <Disreali> i literally copied it from the hybrids guide page[04:16:53] <mmadia> and compare the line after "# following arguments:"[04:17:31] <mmadia> well... we're only human :)[04:18:58] <Disreali> oops[04:19:06] <mmadia> i'm not sure why About System reports it as a gcc4 hybrid though.[04:19:13] <mmadia> http://dev.haiku-os.org/browser/haiku/trunk/src/apps/aboutsystem/AboutSystem.cpp#L500[04:19:35] <Disreali> because I ran jam from generated.gcc4 ?[04:20:27] <Disreali> the build also has both gcc sub dirs[04:20:31] <mmadia> nm, i misread the code.[04:20:57] <mmadia> well, the gcc2 subdir is due to ICU being extracted onto the image.[04:21:39] <mmadia> then the gcc4 subdir is from generated.gcc2 being misconfigured.[04:21:52] <Disreali> I think I bork the build[04:22:13] <Disreali> I'll try again ad see how it works[04:22:34] <Disreali> brb[04:22:38] *** Disreali has quit IRC[04:23:50] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[04:24:06] <Disreali> ok, back on r37444[04:24:13] <Disreali> 37440[04:27:48] <Disreali> mmadia; should I rm the objects dir, or does it not really matter?[04:28:02] <mmadia> toast everything.[04:28:07] <Disreali> ok[04:28:13] <cpr420> spam on toast![04:28:41] * cpr420 is bored if you couldn't already tell[04:28:57] <mmadia> did you see brechtm's commit, cpr420?[04:29:03] <cpr420> yeah[04:29:29] <cpr420> it'll be interesting to see how it works[04:31:43] *** Sir_Konrad has quit IRC[04:34:38] <Disreali> cpr420; what is brecht's commit supposed to do?[04:34:58] <cpr420> he's adding a new mode of operation for haikuporter[04:35:15] <cpr420> I believe you can just fill in some info on the wiki and it will generate bep files[04:35:37] <Disreali> ooh... nice[04:35:48] <cpr420> and maybe allow building packages without a checked out repository?[04:35:55] <cpr420> I'm just guessing though[04:36:10] <Disreali> could be very useful[04:42:31] <Disreali> mmadia; I appreciate your comments on the ticket. you could of just that I was an idiot[04:43:15] <mmadia> meh, we all have our days.... lord knows i do :)[04:44:34] <Disreali> hehe[04:46:55] <Disreali> it's beer time[04:46:59] <Disreali> brb[04:52:00] <Duggan> interesting... it would appear to me that the jpeg 2000 format, having the same file size and compression ratio as the regular jpeg format, has far worse quality which makes me wonder what any benefit would be...[04:52:33] <Disreali> I always wonder that myself[04:52:42] <Disreali> wondered[04:56:31] <_gringo> Have there been any buildscript changes that would make my jam update an extremely large amout of files? If I change only one file in my driver, I get 975 "MimeSet1, SetVersion1, Chmod1, Link" lines for (I guess) each executable build.[04:58:49] <Disreali> are you buiklding on haiku or other? are you building the same rev on the same session/boot?[04:58:55] <mmadia> the recent commits to headers/os/interface could be triggering it.[04:59:19] <Disreali> oh yeah, I forgot about those[05:00:05] <_gringo> mmadia: those would trigger relinking all apps only once: after "git pull".[05:00:38] <_gringo> I get these after I change the only one file in my driver and rebuild[05:01:12] <_gringo> anyway, I'll rebuild gcc+all of Haiku, maybe it will go away.[05:01:24] *** Nozy has joined #haiku[05:03:09] *** _gringo has quit IRC[05:15:47] <Disreali> uhg! 5-10 frames per second is not good when playing quake 3[05:16:27] <Disreali> I want a working radeon excellerant for my 2600pro[05:16:32] <dru345> lol[05:16:37] <dru345> write one[05:16:58] <Disreali> I am not a programmer, and have no clue how[05:17:35] <Disreali> thaere already is a radeon excellerant, but it does nothing for the 2600pro[05:18:24] <Disreali> I wonder.. maybe I could downgrade my card?[05:19:05] <Disreali> no, I can't. the older cards are AGP[05:20:07] <Disreali> hey cool.[05:20:18] <Disreali> jam is done[05:21:17] <Disreali> the image is only 200MB. it should be 690MB[05:21:21] <dru345> oh sorry Disreali i thought it was Duggan complaining :)[05:21:35] <dru345> he was talking about writing a graphics driver earlier[05:21:38] <Disreali> dru345; np[05:21:42] <Disreali> ah[05:26:29] <JonathanThompson> Hey guys, ever see ln -s x/y/z result in a link z that can't be traversed?[05:32:42] <dru345> i have not[05:36:00] <JonathanThompson> I had that fail to make a z on RHEL 3 at work today.[05:36:26] <JonathanThompson> It works on OSX 10.6x just fine.[05:36:42] <JonathanThompson> Seems it worked on another developer's box fine a week ago, same OS (RHEL3)[05:43:05] *** Nozy has quit IRC[05:44:04] *** Trezker has joined #haiku[05:45:09] *** Disreali has quit IRC[05:47:23] *** Xeon4D has joined #haiku[05:48:18] <Xeon4D> mmadia: you there?[05:48:31] <mmadia> it depends.[05:48:40] <Xeon4D> heh[05:48:48] <Xeon4D> can I ask you a quick favor?[05:48:49] <cpr420> mmadia is everywhere and nowhere[05:49:00] <Xeon4D> if you can tell me the IP address of the Xeon3D nick...[05:49:14] <cpr420> you're cloaked[05:49:24] <Xeon4D> still, an op should be able to see the ip?[05:49:36] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmadia[05:49:42] <mmadia> nope.[05:49:46] *** ChanServ sets mode: -o mmadia[05:49:50] <Xeon4D> :O[05:49:51] <Xeon4D> ok[05:49:53] <Xeon4D> thanks anyway[05:49:57] <Xeon4D> gonna try another network[05:50:16] <mmadia> can't you google for a site to test your ip?[05:51:00] <Xeon4D> thing is... my ip is different from Xeon3D's ip.[05:51:39] <Xeon4D> Xeon3D = my irc bouncer at home | Xeon4D = me using the work internet.[05:53:23] <dru345> hi Xeon4D[05:55:34] *** matthias9 has quit IRC[05:55:50] <Xeon4D> hey dru[05:57:01] *** Xeon4D has quit IRC[05:57:38] *** matthias9 has joined #haiku[05:57:56] <Duggan> dru345 :P[05:57:58] <Duggan> hey Xeon3D[05:58:04] <dru345> o/ Duggan[05:59:15] <Duggan> dru345 that was with regard to what you said to Disreali[05:59:26] <dru345> yeah. figured :P[05:59:36] <Duggan> btw, I already made a ticket for my graphics issues :P[05:59:46] <dru345> that #?[06:00:05] <Duggan> 6326[06:00:12] <dru345> ok[06:02:00] <Duggan> like the name? XD it was the most appropriate one I could think of...[06:02:41] <dru345> lol fail[06:10:04] *** Xeon4D has joined #haiku[06:10:09] <Xeon4D> ok this is awkward.[06:10:33] <Xeon4D> can't ping the domain, but I can connect 1 of the 3 bnc users running on the machine thru the domain.[06:19:05] *** baba_ has joined #haiku[06:19:08] *** baba_ has left #haiku[06:23:04] *** Xeon4D has quit IRC[06:31:01] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[06:50:08] *** symptom has joined #haiku[06:52:07] *** Trezker has quit IRC[06:57:05] *** Cubey has joined #haiku[06:57:34] <Cubey> heyo... google didn't seem to help with this probably insanely basic question: in normal BeOS, how do you create a symlink?[06:58:32] *** Trezker has joined #haiku[07:05:07] *** JoeyA has quit IRC[07:07:08] <JonathanThompson> ln -s WhatToLinkTo NameOfLink[07:07:31] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[07:10:13] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[07:11:10] <Cubey> thanks![07:11:25] <JonathanThompson> np[07:13:26] <jmayfield> hi JonathanThompson[07:13:32] <JonathanThompson> Hi jmayfield.[07:13:40] <JonathanThompson> Had a weird thing happen in RHEL 3 today.[07:14:01] <JonathanThompson> ln -s filename/x produced a link where x couldn't be reached.[07:14:15] <JonathanThompson> Despite it existing.[07:15:03] <jmayfield> awesome.. rhel kicks ass, doesnt it?[07:15:13] <JonathanThompson> Indeed.[07:15:20] <jmayfield> especially old versions[07:15:21] <JonathanThompson> Works on MY machine! (iMac)[07:15:33] <JonathanThompson> (OSX)[07:15:34] <jmayfield> i was being sarcastic.. heh[07:16:07] <JonathanThompson> What's puzzling is another developer emailed his history for setting things up, where it appears to have worked on his machine.[07:16:41] * JonathanThompson shakes head[07:18:56] <Cubey> blah figures, all that trouble and didn't work. heh. was trying to get a usb flash drive to work with a patch ;) oh well[07:19:16] <jmayfield> i like how when you shake your head, your eyes compensate and things stay stable.. but if sopmebody else shakes your head, its all crazy[07:25:34] *** sprma has quit IRC[07:28:31] *** Trezker has quit IRC[07:32:12] *** Trezker has joined #haiku[07:44:07] *** b0nes65 has joined #haiku[07:46:58] *** lorglas has joined #haiku[07:47:17] <lorglas> hi[07:47:40] <Cubey> hi[07:53:58] *** tm512 has left #haiku[08:19:14] <lorglas> in my little programm i use from Bstatable GetCreationTime(), when i have a file i get the time, but not when it's a folder, why?[08:19:39] <lorglas> same with GetModificationTime()[08:25:23] <dru345> um[08:25:54] <dru345> I don't have an answer. thought i might. :([08:30:58] *** mmadia has quit IRC[08:32:51] *** veve-mao has joined #haiku[08:35:16] <dru345> lorglas you might want to ask on the mailing lists[08:35:28] <dru345> it may be a bug, i'm not sure[08:37:40] <lorglas> ok[08:43:06] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[08:43:19] *** OmniMancer1 has quit IRC[08:44:38] <dru345> OmniMancer you here? Duggan?[08:44:49] <dru345> someone with an opinion? :P[08:50:48] <cpr420> lorglas: have you tried with BDirectory::GetCreationTime() ?[08:51:24] <lorglas> no[08:52:01] <lorglas> how it must be look like, i am a rooky in c/c++ programming[08:53:56] <cpr420> I don't have the bebook in front of me, but you'd BDirectory *mydir = new BDirectory("/my/path")[08:54:06] <dru345> http://www.haiku-os.org/legacy-docs/bebook/BDirectory.html[08:54:07] <cpr420> and then mydir->GetCreationTime()[08:55:39] <cpr420> if you're only using it temporarily you can allocate it on the stack too[08:55:57] <cpr420> BDirectory myDir("/my/path")[08:56:03] <cpr420> myDir.GetCreationTime()[08:56:39] *** symptom has quit IRC[09:00:47] <lorglas> thanks, yet it works, i don't why, but it works, i think about that, great thanks[09:03:11] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[09:03:51] <lorglas> moin[09:04:16] *** b0nes65 has quit IRC[09:05:07] <Lelldorin1> moin[09:05:22] *** raichoo has joined #haiku[09:05:29] <Lelldorin1> how can i merge a vaiable with a string in the bash?[09:12:17] *** jamy has joined #haiku[09:19:03] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[09:22:49] *** jmayfield_ has joined #haiku[09:26:29] *** jmayfield has quit IRC[09:27:28] <cpr420> VAR="$VAR othertext"[09:27:34] <cpr420> oops, he left[09:28:56] <lorglas> no problem, i can give the sulotion[09:30:22] *** marc_smith has joined #haiku[09:33:22] <lorglas> to lelldorin[09:33:48] *** Toekutr has joined #haiku[09:34:30] <lorglas> cu[09:35:02] *** lorglas has quit IRC[09:38:39] *** tqh has joined #haiku[09:38:45] *** wuffi600 has joined #haiku[09:44:45] *** admiral0 has joined #haiku[09:45:01] <admiral0> hi[09:45:21] <admiral0> are there any plans for something like vga_switcheroo on haiku?[09:47:48] <cpr420> nothing has been discussed that I'm aware of[09:48:00] <jamy> admiral0: i am planing transfer haiku on new kernel. what you proposition?[09:48:17] <Ziusudra> after googling it, this the first I've heard of it[09:48:33] <jamy> about vga_switcheroo[09:48:44] <admiral0> i have a acer 4820TG and i am stuck with VESA[09:48:53] <admiral0> though i have 2 video cards[09:49:06] <admiral0> intel and ati[09:49:30] <jamy> and?[09:50:02] <admiral0> on linux it works, but since x11 sucks, you must restart x11 to switch card[09:50:18] *** Malmis has quit IRC[09:50:31] <admiral0> jamy: what about new kernel?[09:50:56] <dru345> admiral0 you might put in an enhancement ticket for that[09:51:30] <admiral0> i certainly win[09:51:36] <dru345> http://dev.haiku-os.org[09:51:39] <admiral0> s/win/will/[09:51:57] <jamy> superproductive kernel L4[09:52:01] <admiral0> at least on laptop i don't have issues due to bug #5[09:53:05] <cpr420> yeah, #5 needs to be fixed soon, it affects me :([09:55:05] <admiral0> cpr420: it affects the only pc in my house that could run haiku always D:[09:55:41] <cpr420> I have to disable a couple things in order to boot Haiku[09:55:54] <cpr420> which sucks because then I lose SMP[09:55:55] <admiral0> doesn't work for me[09:59:33] <admiral0> http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/6328[09:59:51] <admiral0> i would have done it but i really don't have time[10:00:08] <admiral0> i already take care of a distro :P[10:00:57] <admiral0> jamy: how come the switch to L4?[10:01:09] <admiral0> is there an article on that?[10:02:54] <dru345> night all[10:03:22] <jamy> i am only planning make it. I am collect solution[10:03:27] *** dru345 is now known as away345[10:03:34] *** Malmis has joined #haiku[10:03:49] <admiral0> what's wrong with actual kernel?[10:04:21] <jamy> hybrid type[10:04:52] <admiral0> so you want to go to pure microkernel awesomeness?[10:05:35] <jamy> yes[10:06:51] <admiral0> and when are you going to do it?[10:06:59] <jamy> l4 kernel develops for many platforms[10:07:49] <admiral0> wait[10:07:58] <admiral0> so you want to rewrite it?[10:09:18] <admiral0> or use an existing L4 like codezero?[10:09:46] <jamy> existing[10:09:59] <jamy> l4ka:pistachio[10:10:11] *** brechtm has joined #haiku[10:10:17] <jamy> becouse him in bsd license[10:10:32] <geist> heh[10:11:02] <jamy> i no want use GPL's products[10:11:20] <admiral0> and it's also written in C++[10:11:43] <jamy> yes an no! :)[10:11:44] <admiral0> well i don't understand BSD terrorism[10:11:51] <admiral0> :P[10:11:52] <jamy> yes and no! :)[10:12:15] *** hUMUNGUs has quit IRC[10:12:52] <admiral0> D:[10:13:14] <jamy> the NICTA translate L4:pistachio on Huskel[10:13:16] * geist wondes what jamy is talking about[10:13:41] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[10:14:50] <jamy> Glasgow Huskel contributs in public domain license, what very nice for me![10:14:53] *** Toekutr has quit IRC[10:15:33] <geist> so hang on a sec, you want to replace the kernel with L4 but you have no experience in doing this?[10:16:18] *** vooshy has joined #haiku[10:16:35] <jamy> i have experience working with exokernel palmos[10:16:43] <geist> oh?[10:16:54] <geist> so you wrote it?[10:17:11] <jamy> no![10:17:25] <geist> which palmos are you talking about[10:17:38] <jamy> i am learning him very mauch[10:18:00] <jamy> palm inc. handheld pc[10:18:00] <geist> so why do you want to use L4 for haiku?[10:18:09] <geist> yes, but which version of palmos, there were many[10:18:12] *** adriano-src has joined #haiku[10:18:25] <jamy> 5 for ARM[10:18:33] <geist> ah, that one[10:19:04] <admiral0> i prefer hybrid haiku to rewritten haiku[10:19:07] <admiral0> :P[10:19:42] <admiral0> too much work needed[10:20:00] <jamy> no![10:21:45] <jamy> The similar project execute this work very easy[10:22:01] <geist> for what purpose?[10:22:09] <jamy> http://osfree.org/[10:22:09] *** Cubey has quit IRC[10:25:16] <admiral0> so you want to run L4 on top of haiku kernel?[10:25:26] <admiral0> like l4linux?[10:25:47] <jamy> i am do it, and than will be see what purpose[10:26:13] <geist> so you just want to do it for fun?[10:26:48] <jamy> no. for help[10:27:21] <admiral0> could you explain purpose please?[10:29:26] <jamy> for innovating, for add new functions and more[10:33:21] <jamy> now many companies think about transfering him os on microkernels. I think what time will come when haiku developers think about this to. And i want when they do it, all work will be done with me[10:33:55] * geist shrugs, goes to sleep[10:34:53] *** Ziusudra has quit IRC[10:35:02] * admiral0 shrugs, goes back to work[10:35:23] * cpr420 shrugs, goes back to watching movies[10:35:45] <admiral0> and a new meme was born[10:36:17] * jamy offended[10:37:41] <admiral0> i am no haiku dev, so you shouldn't jamy. i really don't see the reason of changing kernel, but you can do it, if it works well i won't complain[10:38:31] <admiral0> linux is a hybrid obese kernel, yet it works[10:38:48] <admiral0> and most important, it's free software[10:39:11] <admiral0> bye[10:39:28] *** admiral0 has quit IRC[10:40:59] *** adriano-src has quit IRC[10:44:48] <jamy> http://www.osfree.org[10:45:19] <jamy> that is the similar project[10:45:54] <cpr420> but you still haven't really explained why the Haiku kernel needs to be replaced[10:45:57] *** veve-mao has quit IRC[10:47:04] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[10:48:06] <jamy> becouse l4 kernel work in all processors similar what linux. I want what haiku will be one of the popular os like linux[10:48:33] <cpr420> and this can't happen with the current kernel because???[10:48:49] <vooshy> jamy: haiku is already popular in many of our eyes...[10:49:33] <jamy> see my post from 11:36 for all![10:50:04] <cpr420> 11:36 doesn't mean anything to me[10:50:19] <jamy> time[10:50:30] <cpr420> which timezone, the internet is global[10:50:46] <jamy> oh! sorry! :)[10:51:14] <jamy> which starting: "now many..."[10:51:47] <cpr420> sure, they think about it, try it, and then realize that a hybrid gets better performance in some areas[10:52:13] <cpr420> you're switching flexibility for performance[10:53:11] <cpr420> I hope you succeed, it it interesting, but I don't think the kernel will switch anytime soon[10:55:03] *** Ingenu has joined #haiku[10:55:13] <jamy> I do not govoyu you throw this Huyck! I'm telling you: "Who wants to work it out for his improvement, then I'll be glad you"[10:55:47] *** impy has quit IRC[10:56:00] <jamy> *i do not speak[10:56:54] <jamy> I do not speak you throw this Haiku! I'm telling you: "Who wants to work it out for his improvement, then I'll be glad you"[10:59:08] <vooshy> jamy: i think you should put your proposal to the dev mailing list[11:02:11] <jamy> I think that they criticize me there more than here. they love him baby :)[11:03:20] <vooshy> jamy: users mainly hang out here, occasional dev's pop in, but to speak to those who code you really need to add to the mailing list[11:06:24] *** jamy has quit IRC[11:09:03] *** vooshy has quit IRC[11:09:09] *** jamy has joined #haiku[11:10:39] *** veve-mao has joined #haiku[11:11:58] *** raichoo has quit IRC[11:17:00] *** away345 has quit IRC[11:24:29] *** Xeon3D has quit IRC[11:25:45] *** Xeon3D has joined #haiku[11:29:51] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[11:30:05] *** HaikuUser is now known as michaelvo[11:31:23] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[11:33:40] <humdinger> hey! Anyone else experienceing very slow mail fetching with current revisions?[11:36:38] * Xeon3D hasn't tried any new revs for two or three weeks :/[11:37:27] * humdinger is always on the BeLeedingEdge[11:38:41] <Xeon3D> got tired of building revs after a while :/[11:40:15] <humdinger> I often start a svn up & jam an anyboot before showering and breakfasting on the weekend.[11:40:36] <humdinger> I come back 30-45 minutes later nad by USB stick is freshly Haikuified[11:40:50] <humdinger> "nad by"...?[11:40:52] <humdinger> and my...[11:41:21] <Xeon3D> never tried haiku on a USB stick :D[11:41:26] <Xeon3D> I used partitions :P[11:41:48] <humdinger> Since I have more than one computer, installing from an USB is very convenient.[11:42:52] <Xeon3D> True. I also do have more than one computer (7 to be accurate) but I only fiddle with Haiku on one of the laptops (and very rarely on a celeron machine). Most of the others are either off or being used by family members.[11:43:25] <humdinger> :)[11:43:35] <humdinger> It's always tough to really throw something out...[11:43:38] <Xeon3D> Maybe when I do get a C2D cpu, I'll go back to fiddling with haiku on a new pc.[11:43:49] <Xeon3D> :D[11:44:04] <humdinger> I still have old huge towers with dual p2/3[11:44:24] <humdinger> collecting dust.[11:44:35] <humdinger> One I cnabalized a power unit from.[11:44:37] <Xeon3D> eh, oldest I got is a Celeron 733[11:44:51] <Xeon3D> then 2 Celerons 1Ghz[11:45:09] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[11:45:11] <Xeon3D> 1 HP 6530b (where I'm typing from)[11:45:23] <Xeon3D> An Acer Aspire 5000 somthing laptop (AMD Crap)[11:45:40] <humdinger> quite a collection :)[11:45:41] <Xeon3D> and a Magalhães Netbook[11:46:01] <Xeon3D> I got two other machines which aren't functioning either due to not having a proper CPU or Motherboard.[11:46:16] <humdinger> I only use my samsung netbook when sitting outside. An my Core2Duo notebook for the "serious" stuff.[11:46:22] <Xeon3D> yes, my sister freaks out every month about it.[11:46:32] *** AlexFera has joined #haiku[11:46:32] <Xeon3D> since most of them are in the living room :D[11:47:13] <humdinger> At least I have the decency to hide the old zombies in the attic... :)[11:47:24] <Xeon3D> My netbook is kinda shot... so it's being used by my nephew (it's a kids-oriented netbook btw) to play gba games mostly.[11:47:33] <Xeon3D> I haven't got an attic.[11:47:42] * Xeon3D lives on a 1-bedroom flat.[11:47:51] <humdinger> harsh.[11:48:05] <humdinger> I can see why you're sister is pissed :)[11:48:11] <Xeon3D> =D[11:48:13] <Xeon3D> I don't. :D[11:48:22] <Xeon3D> she mainly complains about the cables tho.[11:48:38] <Xeon3D> when she's brooming / washing the floor[11:48:43] <humdinger> yeah. cables suck![11:49:03] <humdinger> I very much enjoy the netbooks long battery life and using wlan.[11:49:06] <Xeon3D> I've already sold a couple of CRT monitors to help.[11:49:56] <Xeon3D> with proper fiddling this laptop gets ~5h battery time so :)[11:50:30] <humdinger> cool. my main notebook's battery is shot... :([11:50:39] <humdinger> I have to preparelunch now[11:50:47] <humdinger> cu later[11:50:52] <Xeon3D> c ya[11:50:57] *** humdinger has quit IRC[12:02:07] <brechtm> Xeon3D: you could help brooming of course :)[12:04:35] *** michaelvo has quit IRC[12:08:50] <Xeon3D> I'm normally asleep when she's up and vice-versa.[12:09:02] <Xeon3D> We have totally different work schedules.[12:10:19] <brechtm> broom when she's asleep?[12:10:35] <CIA-49> brecht * r918 /portlogplugin/trunk/ (5 files in 2 dirs):[12:10:35] <CIA-49> * changes necessary for Trac 0.12[12:10:35] <CIA-49> * removed support R5/BONE[12:10:35] <CIA-49> * added option to search within the ports (name and description)[12:10:35] <CIA-49> * path for retrieving a bep is now simpler[12:13:13] *** veve-mao has quit IRC[12:14:20] *** iIngenu has joined #haiku[12:14:43] *** tqh has quit IRC[12:15:56] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[12:16:40] *** tqh has joined #haiku[12:27:34] <Xeon3D> brechtm: i'm working when she's asleep.[12:27:50] <Xeon3D> when she's working i'm not at home.[12:28:00] <Xeon3D> and when she's at home i'm sleeping[12:28:12] <Xeon3D> (and I hate brooming :D[12:29:08] <brechtm> ah, there's the real reason :)[12:30:28] <CIA-49> tqh * r37550 /haiku/trunk/ (4 files in 4 dirs):[12:30:29] <CIA-49> Patch by kaliber to fix some compiling errors with clang. Removed the #include <iostream> part, but otherwise not modified.[12:30:29] <CIA-49> See http://clang.llvm.org/compatibility.html#c++ why it is needed. Note that HashMap.h Key and Value are typenames as well.[12:30:29] <CIA-49> Afaict this is correctly done, builds and runs on gcc4. 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At least that's[17:57:50] <CIA-49> how our file systems with write support implement it.[17:57:53] <Ingenu> Rendering[17:57:58] <Teknomancer> ah okay[17:58:08] <Teknomancer> i once wanted to get into game dev.[17:58:15] <Ingenu> I chose all the techs for Shogun 2[17:58:15] <Teknomancer> now i think i've kind of lost the race[17:58:22] <Ingenu> although that should have been my lead's job[17:58:22] <Teknomancer> nice[17:58:47] <Ingenu> not sure I would recommend that for anyone[17:58:53] <Ingenu> I told my brother not to bother with games[17:59:00] <Teknomancer> hmm[17:59:02] <Ingenu> most people are incompetent[17:59:40] <Ingenu> I'm considering moving to an industry in which people are ready to pay for skills[17:59:51] <Teknomancer> that's the same in most comp-sci fields[18:00:03] <Ingenu> I don't think so[18:00:07] <Ingenu> it was better in the web[18:00:15] <Ingenu> at least you got a good salary if you were good[18:00:18] <Teknomancer> web development has horrible coders[18:00:26] <Teknomancer> that true[18:00:26] <Ingenu> medical imagery likely provides good salaries too[18:00:29] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[18:00:33] <Teknomancer> but competence level is not that great[18:00:34] <Ingenu> Special Effects might too[18:00:48] <JonathanThompson> Ingenu: it's the nature of any database app to have the database change while the code changes ;)[18:01:16] <Ingenu> JonathanThompson, what's the best way to handle database changes that are linked to code using it during production ?[18:01:19] * Teknomancer is stuck wondering if computers for a career is really good :/[18:01:42] <JonathanThompson> I'm not sure exactly what you're asking, Ingenu.[18:01:58] <JonathanThompson> Is the schema changing, or just the data with a stable schema?[18:02:20] <JonathanThompson> Writing databases as in code to manage databases, or just using data-driven programming?[18:03:09] <Ingenu> Teknomancer, in which field are you working ?[18:03:16] <Ingenu> I still want to make my own game[18:03:19] <Teknomancer> system software[18:03:34] <Ingenu> I wrote the story, I wrote the gameplay, I need a production team now ;p[18:03:37] <Teknomancer> although i've had fair experience with userland stuff[18:03:40] <Ingenu> might go indep[18:03:53] <Ingenu> there has never been so many distribution channels for indeps[18:04:12] <Teknomancer> after doing stuff in the kernel, following the same style in userland seems an overkill[18:04:14] <Ingenu> Steam, XBox Live, PlayStation Network, Wii Channels, iPhone, iPad...[18:04:57] <Ingenu> JonathanThompson, did you deadlock ;p[18:05:05] <Ingenu> kernel stuff, low level[18:05:10] <Ingenu> that should prove useful[18:05:21] <kurain___> hello all.[18:05:27] <JonathanThompson> Not yet :p[18:05:30] <Teknomancer> certainly needs more discipline in the way you write things[18:06:00] <Ingenu> discipline is critical for quality software IMO[18:06:01] <Teknomancer> plus debugging is harder in the kernel on some platforms, i hear it's great in Windows[18:06:11] <Ingenu> no idea about that[18:06:38] <JonathanThompson> So, they're basically recreating databases logically in their code, without using an external database, or are they using databases, just changing the schema and data constantly for each revision, or are they actually changing the schema in the code of the product, Ingenu?[18:07:17] <Ingenu> they are writting a DB system because data & schema change a lot during production and must be linked to code updates[18:07:51] <Ingenu> which means when you get latest with your source control, you must get the updated DB (as in DB content) that goes with that revision[18:08:06] <JonathanThompson> So, they're not using a pre-existing database like at least Berkeley DB...[18:08:09] <Ingenu> last time I used a DB was in 2001[18:08:19] <Ingenu> not at all[18:08:25] <Ingenu> they are using their own stuff[18:08:30] * JonathanThompson shakes head[18:08:42] <JonathanThompson> Is it because they're afraid of learning about SQL?[18:08:45] <Ingenu> my question is whether it's possible to use an existing (and such reliable) database engine with the constraints they have[18:08:57] <CIA-49> bonefish * r37555 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/fs/vfs.cpp:[18:08:57] <CIA-49> Added detail to the comment about why we can't call the create() hook without[18:08:57] <CIA-49> O_EXCL.[18:08:58] <JonathanThompson> I don't know what their constraints are.[18:09:05] <Teknomancer> SQL is not the hardest part about databases ;)[18:09:15] <Ingenu> I believe there are atomic SQL queries on modern DB[18:09:20] <JonathanThompson> But, I'd bet you can at least use SQLite or Berkeley DB easily enough to take off a lot of the load.[18:09:39] <JonathanThompson> Reinventing the wheel is likely to result in them rolling around on squares.[18:09:56] <Ingenu> the sole constraint I am aware of is that the code (using the DB) & DB must stay in sync[18:10:05] *** wuffi600 has joined #haiku[18:10:26] <JonathanThompson> That's a meaningless constraint compared to what logically they have to worry about: what you use for the DB doesn't change that at all.[18:10:42] <Ingenu> mmh[18:10:44] <Teknomancer> what do they use the DB for?[18:11:00] <Ingenu> say your code uses table A, which gets deleted and now it uses table B instead[18:11:01] *** kurain___ has left #haiku[18:11:08] <Ingenu> both code & DB are in sync in a branch[18:11:20] <JonathanThompson> Ingenu, it's all about abstraction :p[18:11:28] <Teknomancer> yep[18:11:31] <Ingenu> stuff[18:11:34] <Ingenu> Unit stats[18:11:45] <Ingenu> and tons of shit that don't belong in a DB to begin with[18:12:09] <Teknomancer> i don't see why they need to write their own[18:12:10] <JonathanThompson> If you have a clean abstraction where something queries whatever database in a small area, the rest of the system doesn't matter and neither do the details as to how it's done.[18:12:16] <Ingenu> (well IMO obviously, yes a file system is a DB, and so are file contents, but I prefer to use those when I don't need a fully relational thingy :p)[18:12:18] <Teknomancer> is it -that- performance critical ;)[18:12:49] <JonathanThompson> And even if it is performance critical, you can always predictively query for what you're looking for.[18:13:32] <PulkoMandy> using some DB out of VCS would be annoying, but sqlite can save the db in a plain file you can share[18:13:57] <Ingenu> interesting[18:14:03] <Ingenu> what about merge ?[18:14:10] <Ingenu> would that be difficult ?[18:14:16] <JonathanThompson> Why worry about merging?[18:14:19] <CIA-49> bonefish * r37556 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/arch/x86/vm86.cpp: Fixed build with TRACE_VM86 enabled. Closes #6325.[18:14:29] <JonathanThompson> Now, if you take each table separately, that's not a big deal.[18:14:36] <Teknomancer> hi PulkoMandy[18:15:27] <Ingenu> what I was told is that they need the DB content to stay in sync with game code (which issues queries) and that to get that done, they need a DB that is compatible with source control[18:15:44] <Ingenu> so they have atomic updates automagically when you get latest[18:16:00] <JonathanThompson> Really, if you localize all "database" access within a single class and don't change the interface to that class, it's a non-issue whether it's a real database written by someone else, or a schema used internally and not a formal database.[18:16:34] <JonathanThompson> Well, export tables as CSV or tab-delimited, and import them the same way: problem solved.[18:16:42] <JonathanThompson> They're overthinking the whole thing.[18:16:56] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[18:17:04] <JonathanThompson> Really, how large are these databases?[18:17:32] <JonathanThompson> Keep in mind: it won't be super efficient to import databases with indexes enabled.[18:17:55] *** nisstyre65 has quit IRC[18:17:58] <JonathanThompson> But I'd be surprised if you're dealing with all that much data compared to what I'm accustomed to working with :p[18:18:30] <JonathanThompson> (That may not even be a remotely meaningful thing to worry about in practice)[18:18:45] <Ingenu> not checked[18:18:50] <PulkoMandy> or just have an sql script that populate the db and run it after you update your working copy[18:19:00] <Ingenu> I'd be surprised if it's bigger than 20MB[18:19:08] <Teknomancer> :)[18:19:50] <tqh> when in doubt always write a database.[18:20:19] <JonathanThompson> I'd suggest they use SQLite.[18:20:45] <JonathanThompson> And again, if they're doing a game, seriously, how meaningfully complex is the data structure and schema? How many tables to join?[18:21:01] <Ingenu> dunno[18:22:33] <JonathanThompson> Ultimately, unless you choose horribly, what matters most about DB access is the number of records, not the amount of data, and the schema.[18:22:41] *** michaelvo has quit IRC[18:22:43] <JonathanThompson> If you index everything, well, things won't be speedy.[18:22:48] <JonathanThompson> (At least, not for inserts)[18:22:54] <JonathanThompson> Or updates.[18:25:55] *** raichoo has quit IRC[18:26:01] *** l_n has joined #haiku[18:38:39] *** impy has joined #haiku[18:41:40] *** raichoo has joined #haiku[18:41:58] *** symptom has quit IRC[18:42:06] <gluon> hi[18:42:26] <humdinger> hi gluon![18:42:35] <gluon> who do I request a HTA account?[18:42:38] <humdinger> I just updated the Screenshot page in the user guide :)[18:42:55] <humdinger> Is HTA online and ready again?[18:43:00] <gluon> humdinger: thankfully I didn't translate that one yet :P[18:43:07] <gluon> humdinger: yap, check mail[18:44:02] <gluon> good news :)[18:44:05] *** dru345 has joined #haiku[18:44:28] <humdinger> ui. colourful. :)[18:44:36] <Teknomancer> HTA?[18:44:44] <Teknomancer> Haiku ... ?[18:44:47] <humdinger> I guess "Register" would be the right start...[18:44:50] <Teknomancer> trac?[18:44:57] <humdinger> Translation Assistant[18:45:01] <Teknomancer> oh[18:45:24] <gluon> humdinger: thanks for pointing out the obvious (I'm so dumb lol)[18:45:53] <humdinger> Nah. It must be the excitement.[18:46:01] <gluon> humdinger: you bet![18:46:42] <humdinger> ah damn.[18:46:47] *** humdinger is now known as humdinger_dinner[18:47:24] *** Ola has joined #haiku[18:47:41] <gluon> oh boy, first bug I'm afraid[18:47:46] <gluon> I can't register lol[18:47:54] *** Ola is now known as Guest31350[18:48:02] *** Guest31350 is now known as OlaHughson[18:53:41] *** Trezker has quit IRC[19:00:20] *** Toekutr has joined #haiku[19:01:58] *** nitpicker has joined #haiku[19:08:57] *** HaikuBuntu has quit IRC[19:09:25] *** wuffi600 has quit IRC[19:12:13] *** bbjimmy has joined #haiku[19:13:06] *** wuffi600 has joined #haiku[19:13:26] <wuffi600> were can i find the roadmap? will there be apla3?[19:13:30] <wuffi600> aplha3?[19:13:34] <wuffi600> alpha3?[19:19:58] <gluon> wuffi600: http://dev.haiku-os.org/roadmap[19:20:11] <gluon> no date set for alpha3 yet[19:21:15] *** JoeyA has joined #haiku[19:23:09] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[19:26:04] *** humdinger_dinner is now known as humdinger[19:32:33] *** michaelvo has joined #haiku[19:33:07] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[19:41:14] <l_n> michaelvo: any ideas on the sdl+opengl problem yet?[19:42:01] <michaelvo> hi! I think that is lack of bdirectwindow implementation[19:42:50] <michaelvo> SDL initiate bglview, but don't call for directconnect()[19:42:57] <michaelvo> I think so[20:03:00] <mmu_screen> michaelvo: as was said, it's not mandatory[20:03:11] <mmu_screen> BGLView should work in a plain BWindow[20:03:46] <michaelvo> huum... good to know that.. .[20:03:53] <michaelvo> it's sad that is not a debug version[20:04:16] <michaelvo> maybe placing some printf msgs in all code...[20:08:29] *** Beyecixramd has quit IRC[20:09:59] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[20:09:59] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[20:10:02] *** bubsy has quit IRC[20:10:11] *** bubsy has joined #haiku[20:11:34] *** michaelvo has quit IRC[20:12:53] *** lorglas has joined #haiku[20:14:24] *** Beyecixramd has joined #haiku[20:15:17] *** jrepan has joined #haiku[20:18:58] *** michaelvo has joined #haiku[20:19:04] *** augdawg has joined #haiku[20:20:05] *** nitpicker has left #haiku[20:20:16] <dru345> I litter my code with printfs :P[20:22:22] *** lorglas has quit IRC[20:22:55] *** mvfranz has joined #haiku[20:23:56] *** Teknomancer has quit IRC[20:24:44] *** symptom has joined #haiku[20:27:50] *** augdawg has quit IRC[20:39:06] <michaelvo> is the way[20:39:09] *** RMF_ has joined #haiku[20:39:20] <RMF_> hello all[20:39:29] <dru345> hi[20:39:30] <michaelvo> hi![20:39:44] <RMF_> I was trying to run Haiku in Virtualbox, but it's stuck on loading screen.[20:40:01] <RMF_> I actually just picked a random OS at the setup of the VM so not sure if Red Hat Linux was the right one.[20:40:24] <michaelvo> the same here[20:40:26] <RMF_> I can't pick BeOS or Haiku itself from the list, only linux, windows, solaris, BSD and IBM OS/2[20:40:36] <RMF_> any thoughts which one i should pick?[20:40:57] <RMF_> or anything else which might be the problem[20:41:00] <michaelvo> so I build from Ubuntu, pick an empty partition.. and voila[20:41:01] <dru345> what did you pick?[20:41:12] <RMF_> Red Hat[20:41:45] *** augdawg has joined #haiku[20:41:46] <RMF_> (btw u're the first irc of few used software to actually reply within a minute :P)[20:41:59] <dru345> is "other" not an option on that host's vbox?[20:42:05] <RMF_> it is[20:42:08] <RMF_> I'll try[20:42:19] <mmu_man> RMF_ Haiku runs fine in the recent releases of VirtualBox, appart from the NIC which must be set to Intel Pro 1000MT[20:42:22] <mmu_man> Desktop[20:42:56] <RMF_> yep other did the trick! Now at least an install screen :)[20:43:01] <RMF_> Will see later for internet[20:43:03] <RMF_> thanks[20:43:06] <mmu_man> the OS you select when creating a VM is probably only used for tweaks and the guest driver iso selection[20:43:12] <Disreali> RMF_: select other:other and give the VM at least 256MB for system and 16MB for video[20:43:39] <RMF_> gave it 512mb before, not sure if it changed when I set to other[20:43:57] <RMF_> Don't know for video, but will see if it doesn't work or is sluggish[20:44:05] <Disreali> 512 is good. the more mem you can give it the better[20:44:28] <humdinger> Does anyone else seeing mail_daemon fetching mails very slowly since a few revisions?[20:45:32] <Disreali> RMF_: also, you need to specify a Intel nic, haiku does not have a driver for the default one[20:45:46] <RMF_> Okay, thanks[20:52:54] *** jmayfield__ has quit IRC[20:57:40] *** humdinger has quit IRC[20:59:23] <l_n> rupaul's drag race is hilarious[20:59:39] *** Shisui has joined #haiku[20:59:43] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[21:01:58] <CIA-49> zooey * r37557 /haiku/branches/developer/zooey/posix-locale/ (11 files in 4 dirs):[21:01:58] <CIA-49> * implemented support for the last missing category, LC_COLLATE (so strcoll()[21:01:58] <CIA-49> and strxfrm() should work properly now)[21:01:58] <CIA-49> * cleaned up locale_test[21:03:56] <l_n> ugh.. butter toffee coffee tastes like none of those things.[21:04:03] *** oco2 has joined #haiku[21:04:15] * l_n has run out of coffee-flavored coffee.[21:04:29] <l_n> Disreali: i haven't really investigated the mouse issue, btw.[21:05:32] <DraX> l_n: why do you even have flavored coffee?[21:07:38] <l_n> other people in the house bought it and/or it came with a variety pack[21:12:29] <dru345> does web+ support svg yet?[21:14:04] *** JoeyA has quit IRC[21:14:48] *** Xbertl has joined #haiku[21:16:01] <dru345> i'll test that later.[21:16:53] <dru345> for now, working on Tracker I realized one of the menus is oddly reordered, is there a reason or can I make them consistent with the other menus? see here for an illustration: http://imagebin.org/105701[21:17:53] *** augdawg has quit IRC[21:28:24] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[21:29:34] *** metaldragen has joined #haiku[21:30:17] *** HaikuBuntu has joined #haiku[21:34:02] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[21:35:47] *** Trezker has joined #haiku[21:43:11] *** HaikuBuntu has quit IRC[21:44:48] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[21:45:34] <Disreali> dru345; by 'Root', do you mean /boot or /[21:45:58] <dru345> it's / aka "Disks"[21:46:13] *** HaikuBuntu has joined #haiku[21:47:25] <dru345> I should've been more clear. I'm just so used to thinking TargetModel->IsRoot() that I put Root lol[21:47:42] <Disreali> ah. I don't use the Disks icon. in spacial mode you can't get to / , unless you also use show the Disks icon[21:48:28] <Disreali> whereas in Single Window Mode is is easy to get to /[21:49:42] *** metaldragen has quit IRC[21:51:09] <dru345> yeah[21:51:26] <Disreali> interesting. Never used the disk Icons before. You are correct, the move to etc should be moved down to match up with the rest of the modes[21:51:46] <Disreali> is it an easy fix?[21:51:47] <dru345> well i realized the menus are different because i'm fixing bugs with Single Window Mode which actually show different menus for / (Disks) depending on how you get there.[21:51:54] <dru345> yes.[21:52:02] <dru345> since i'm doing it anyway lol[21:52:09] <Disreali> hehe[21:52:58] <Disreali> I suggest posting a note on haiku-dev ml about it to get feedback. also should open a ticket to do the same[21:53:40] <dru345> I think someone made a mistake in the order for that one menu case and just want to make it consistent.[21:53:59] <Disreali> and I'd reverse the arrow on the pic when attaching to a ticket[21:54:58] <dru345> yeah. do i need a new ticket? I'm fixing one mmadia filed on Tracker and this is part of the same...[21:54:59] *** Barrett_ has quit IRC[21:55:12] <Disreali> I agree, But never having used that mode, I don't know if there was a reason for it being done that way[21:55:29] <dru345> ok[21:56:17] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[21:56:21] <dru345> i'll take that under advisement :P[21:56:41] <Disreali> I always suggest on discussing changes first, istead of upsetting ppl and causing problems[21:56:56] <dru345> i live for that ;P[21:57:02] <Disreali> hehe[21:57:37] *** veve-mao has quit IRC[21:57:40] <Disreali> we just got over the last guy how did that. the Project really does not need any more of that[21:59:02] *** Beyecixramd has quit IRC[22:07:19] * JonathanThompson is evil[22:07:27] <dru345> Disreali I suppose it might be worth discussion. The out of place menu items never become active in root/Disks no batter how you get there.[22:07:30] <dru345> hi JonathanThompson[22:07:34] <JonathanThompson> Someone in iphonedev asked "What's the best way to unzip a zip file?"[22:07:41] <JonathanThompson> My response was "From the back"[22:07:44] <dru345> lol[22:08:30] *** jvff has quit IRC[22:12:09][22:21:12] *** helf|laptop has quit IRC[22:22:33] *** HaikuBuntu has quit IRC[22:24:20] <wuffi600> gluon: thank you[22:25:10] *** HaikuBuntu has joined #haiku[22:26:46] *** HaikuBuntu has quit IRC[22:27:34] *** nielx has joined #haiku[22:28:53] <mmu_man> plop[22:28:54] <mmu_man> 'up ?[22:29:01] <dru345> hi mmu_man[22:31:40] <Anarchos> mmu_man hello i am glad to inform you that i successfully installed TeXLive on haiku :)[22:31:54] <mmu_man> screenshot ?[22:32:04] *** veve-mao has joined #haiku[22:32:06] <mmu_man> (well likely not much to show :p)[22:32:06] <Anarchos> mmu_man it is only command line :)[22:32:33] <Anarchos> mmu_man well i just fucked up the ls-R files so i have to reinstall it[22:32:39] <mmu_man> who said one can't screenshot a command line ? :p[22:32:40] <Anarchos> but i can show you some pdf[22:33:07] <HeTo> erm, can't you just ls -R to make an ls-R file? :-P[22:33:28] <mmu_man> supposedly it is exactly this :p[22:33:38] <Anarchos> HeTo don't think so, you know it is TeX ;)[22:33:56] <Anarchos> mmu_man ok let me take one[22:34:41] <HeTo> to me it looks just like ls -R . except it has a comment line at the top[22:34:41] *** michaelvo has quit IRC[22:34:45] *** Beyecixramd has joined #haiku[22:34:53] <HeTo> the question is, where the command was run[22:35:10] <HeTo> probably /usr/share/texmf, where the ls-R file is[22:35:16] <Anarchos> mmu_man how to send you the screen shot ?[22:35:41] *** OlaHughson has quit IRC[22:36:05] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[22:37:56] <mmu_man> nevermind[22:38:23] <Anarchos> mmu_man i am trying to dcc it to you[22:42:53] *** AlexFera has joined #haiku[22:48:04] <dru345> Anarchos you can post it to imagebin.org[22:51:54] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[22:52:12] <Anarchos> dru345 ok let me a second[22:53:19] <Xeon3D> yo[22:54:46] <Disreali> l_n: sorry I missed your comment earlier. I would appreciate you looking into the mouse issue on chocdoom. I'm terrible at using the keyborad[22:55:09] <Disreali> o/ Xeon3D[22:55:14] <Xeon3D> hey Disreali[22:55:25] <Anarchos> mmu_man http://imagebin.org/105709[22:55:27] <dru345> ahoy Xeon3D[22:55:28] <Anarchos> enjoy :)[22:55:44] <Xeon3D> dru345: ahoy matey arrrr![22:56:48] <Disreali> Anarchos: is the AboutSystem tab pink?[22:56:49] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[22:57:27] <PulkoMandy> why not ?[22:57:28] <Disreali> does haiku have customizible decorators?[22:57:32] <PulkoMandy> mine are dark blue[22:57:43] <PulkoMandy> you can change the colors in preferences>appearance[22:57:49] <Disreali> how do you change it??[22:58:03] <PulkoMandy> to change the shape you have to write some C++, however[22:58:05] <Disreali> COOL[22:59:44] <Anarchos> Disreali pink ? no why ?[23:00:29] <Disreali> PulkoMandy; is it supposed to change live? how to you apply the changes?[23:00:49] <PulkoMandy> only to windows you open after changing[23:00:53] <Disreali> Anarchos; it just loked pink in the pic you posted[23:01:05] <Disreali> thanks PulkoMandy[23:01:13] <PulkoMandy> it's some pinkish yellow, yes :)[23:01:28] <Anarchos> Disreali no idea why, maybe you are daltonaian ?[23:01:43] <Anarchos> PulkoMandy no i use the standard light yellow[23:01:57] <PulkoMandy> it's not standard on the picture[23:03:12] <mmu_man> Anarchos nice :)[23:03:47] <Anarchos> mmu_man thank you, i spend 2 days tweaking the configure scripts ![23:04:44] <Disreali> Sweet! http://imagebin.org/105710[23:05:45] <dru345> is that two windows or a drawing bug?[23:06:02] <Disreali> drawing bug[23:06:06] <dru345> ah[23:06:12] <mmu_man> maybe recent decorator regression ?[23:06:12] <PulkoMandy> I think there's a drawing bug on the desktop yes[23:06:18] <mmu_man> seems the dock also has an issue[23:06:24] <PulkoMandy> likely czeidler changes ...[23:06:24] <dru345> yes[23:07:04] <Disreali> newer revs seem to have several drawing issues. I've just not submitted a ticket. I'm not on the most recent rev so it may be gon already[23:07:19] <PulkoMandy> no it's still there for me[23:07:29] <mmu_man> ah, recalls me I should add saving the dock position in Themes too[23:07:38] <PulkoMandy> well, I'm not using the very latest build, but quite near to it[23:08:05] <Disreali> window tabs dont update properly. it is especially noticable on Web+[23:08:30] <PulkoMandy> any window where the text changes[23:08:37] <PulkoMandy> mediaplayer, ...[23:08:54] <Disreali> and as can be seen int the screencap LaunchBox has a wierd border issue[23:09:39] *** adriano-src has joined #haiku[23:10:20] <Anarchos> mmu_man but BeTex doesn't work anymore because of the settings file of Terminal[23:10:23] *** jrepan has quit IRC[23:10:47] <mmu_man> arf[23:10:55] <mmu_man> Themes likely also has an issue with that[23:10:55] *** mvfranz has quit IRC[23:11:27] *** HaikuBuntu has joined #haiku[23:12:27] <Disreali> Anarchos: what is 'daltonaian'?[23:15:36] <PulkoMandy> colourblind[23:15:43] <PulkoMandy> (in frenglish)[23:16:12] <Anarchos> PulkoMandy thanks i learn a new word :)[23:16:12] <Disreali> ah. thanks[23:16:38] <Anarchos> mmu_man i tell it once, and i was answered "open a ticket" or "this is a feature".... :/[23:16:43] <Anarchos> but BeTex is so nice !![23:17:07] <PulkoMandy> open #haiku ticket then[23:17:13] *** tqh has quit IRC[23:17:29] <PulkoMandy> mh... there's some weird autocompletion in there[23:23:32] * Disreali is idle: BRB[23:23:39] <Xeon3D> yay HTA is up, but slow as hell.[23:25:10] <PulkoMandy> all translators jumping on it :)[23:25:30] <PulkoMandy> it was running pretty fine this morning before the official announcement[23:25:33] * cpr420 wants a klingon translation[23:25:41] <PulkoMandy> start it on hta :)[23:25:55] <Xeon3D> HTA needs to be on Haiku's server.[23:26:01] <PulkoMandy> yes[23:26:11] <PulkoMandy> not sure who should handle that, however[23:26:26] <Xeon3D> I think Olta...[23:29:08] <mmu_man> well, ideally the Terminal settings format is part of the R5 ABI...[23:29:17] *** HaikuBuntu has quit IRC[23:29:59] <Anarchos> mmu_man is it an argument to force some people to stay R5 compliant ? :)[23:30:22] <mmu_man> yes it is :p[23:36:01] <Anarchos> where change the $PATH variable at boot up ?[23:36:11] <Anarchos> i am looking for an equivalent of bash_profile[23:36:47] <PulkoMandy> the Bootscript calls a script called SetupEnvironment very early at boot[23:37:23] <Anarchos> PulkoMandy oh it is just the PATH variable so i don't need it so early :)[23:37:39] <PulkoMandy> well that's where it is set[23:37:47] <PulkoMandy> but you can use bash_profile or .bashrc[23:38:04] <PulkoMandy> not sure where bash looks for them, however[23:38:21] <Anarchos> PulkoMandy what do you think about UserSetupEnvironment ?[23:38:42] <PulkoMandy> could work too[23:38:58] <PulkoMandy> likely called bu the UserBootScript, a little later at boot :)[23:39:11] * Xeon3D will bb[23:39:12] <Xeon3D> *brb[23:39:55] *** Barrett has quit IRC[23:51:29] *** mvfranz has joined #haiku[23:53:32] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[23:53:46] *** Styrbjorn has quit IRC[23:57:34] *** robert_ has quit IRC[23:59:17] *** symptom has quit IRC[23:59:30] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC