July 16, 2010 
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July 16, 2010 [00:00:09] <augdawg> well i think but let me check ; ill be right back[00:01:08] *** nielx has quit IRC[00:04:28] *** augdawg has quit IRC[00:04:34] *** _gringo has quit IRC[00:07:44] *** augdawg has joined #haiku[00:09:09] *** _gringo has joined #haiku[00:09:11] <augdawg> okay i just looked in my bios and the usb hdd was first. i even moved some other usb devices to the top of the list. does any one have any more ideas[00:09:15] <augdawg> ?[00:09:53] <augdawg> i think it might be lacking a bootloader.[00:10:26] *** augdawg has quit IRC[00:10:33] <Ziusudra> can you try the ISO burned to a CD?[00:11:11] *** augdawg has joined #haiku[00:11:37] <augdawg> yup it was first in the boot list ; any more ideas?[00:11:44] <Ziusudra> can you try the ISO burned to a CD?[00:11:57] *** _gringo has quit IRC[00:12:02] <augdawg> no - my laptop doesnt have a cd drive.[00:12:09] *** _gringo has joined #haiku[00:12:57] <augdawg> i think it might not have a bootloader - should i try to use windows tools?[00:13:54] <Ziusudra> anyboot includes a boot loader[00:14:18] <augdawg> oh okay i didnt know that. is there anything else that i could do?[00:14:48] <Duggan> hey Ziusudra, augdawg, *[00:15:04] <augdawg> Duggan - yes?[00:15:21] <Duggan> hi[00:15:45] <augdawg> oh sorry i thought you had an idea - hey Duggan[00:15:49] <augdawg> !1[00:15:51] <augdawg> !![00:15:56] <Ziusudra> hi Duggan[00:15:57] <Duggan> hehe, s'ok[00:16:16] <Duggan> so you can't boot from usb or cd?[00:16:20] *** kitallis has quit IRC[00:16:49] <augdawg> Duggan ; usb - yes ; cd - i dont know - my laptop doesnt have a cd drive[00:17:04] <augdawg> when i say yes i mean i cant boot from that[00:17:26] <Duggan> hmm[00:17:52] <Duggan> what OS is currently installed?[00:18:00] <Duggan> some flavor of windows right?[00:18:05] <augdawg> ubuntu 10.04[00:18:08] <Duggan> ah ok[00:18:16] *** _gringo has quit IRC[00:18:23] <Duggan> are you attempting to install it or just run it?[00:18:37] *** bbjimmy has joined #haiku[00:18:45] <augdawg> well both - i need to do a live cd to install it on a partition[00:18:54] <Duggan> not necessarily[00:19:00] <augdawg> but in the end i want to install it[00:19:10] <Duggan> do you have an available partition to install it on right now?[00:19:13] <augdawg> yes[00:19:25] <Duggan> download the raw image and use dd to copy it to that partition[00:19:46] <Duggan> add an entry for it in grub and you're set[00:20:11] <augdawg> oh i was going to use bootman to forward to grub on the ubuntu partition[00:20:14] <Duggan> albeit you won't have much room in that initial partition to do much, but it'll get you running and allow you to do more from there[00:20:32] <Duggan> you can set that up once you get it installed I think[00:20:38] <bbjimmy> Duggan that way you end up with only part of the partition usable.[00:20:40] <Duggan> I'd have to check[00:20:55] <augdawg> okay one sec[00:20:58] <Duggan> bbjimmy it gets him better than he is now[00:21:36] <Duggan> augdawg what size partition do you have set aside for it?[00:22:03] <bbjimmy> can he run qemu?[00:22:06] <augdawg> about 20 gb - om just trying it a little but i might make the partition bigger later[00:22:21] <Duggan> it could be difficult to resize a bfs partition, so if no other options exist, you could make two partitions, one for general use and the other as a sort of "temp" which is good for testing new builds too[00:22:21] *** StreaK|ON has joined #haiku[00:22:48] <StreaK|ON> hi all[00:22:50] <Duggan> I have mine set up kind of like that, but on purpose hehe[00:22:52] <Duggan> hi StreaK|ON[00:23:09] <augdawg> hey Streak|ON[00:23:25] <augdawg> so bascially im fine with what i have?[00:23:38] <augdawg> i think 20 gigs will be good for now[00:23:45] <augdawg> what do you guys think?[00:24:15] <StreaK|ON> just created a small mPlayer widget to quick drag and drop video files and play with mplayer in haiku.. anyone interested to check it?[00:24:31] <StreaK|ON> hi Duggan, augdawg[00:24:37] <augdawg> hey[00:24:52] <stpere> arg, must return to the office :([00:25:04] <Duggan> augdawg admittedly, its a roundabout way, but if it works, it works[00:25:07] <augdawg> StreaK|ON i would but im trying to install it now[00:25:18] <augdawg> Duggan - you mean the dd thing?[00:25:25] <augdawg> to the other partition?[00:25:27] <StreaK|ON> anyway its here: http://rapidshare.com/files/407176934/mplayerWidget_v0.1.zip[00:25:33] <StreaK|ON> 10 downloads remaining[00:25:38] <Duggan> using a dded partition as a stepping stone to getting it installed more permanently[00:25:38] <augdawg> thanks man - ill have to try that[00:26:00] <Duggan> no videos :/[00:26:23] <augdawg> so Duggan i just dd it onto the other partition?[00:26:34] <Duggan> yep, make sure you don't want that partition anymore hehe[00:26:44] <augdawg> okay theres nothing on it so its okay[00:26:45] <Duggan> the size of the partition in the raw image is of a fixed size[00:26:54] <augdawg> okay here goes...[00:26:58] <augdawg> 1...[00:27:01] <augdawg> 2...[00:27:04] <augdawg> 3!!![00:27:05] <Duggan> and theres not much room to play around[00:27:23] <augdawg> whoa it just said it finished[00:27:24] <Duggan> but if you can boot into it, its a starting place to do more[00:27:36] <augdawg> i even reformattd it earlier![00:27:39] <augdawg> thats weird[00:27:47] <Duggan> dd is a raw dump[00:28:01] *** _gringo has joined #haiku[00:28:03] <augdawg> so it would go there that quickly?[00:28:09] <Duggan> could, yep[00:28:14] <Duggan> depends on hardware etc[00:28:32] <StreaK|ON> and small video how it works [mplayer Widget]: http://rapidshare.com/files/407177490/mplayer_widget_haikuos.avi[00:29:18] <augdawg> oh i forgot to format it - im trying again[00:29:25] *** _gringo has quit IRC[00:29:38] *** _gringo has joined #haiku[00:29:47] <augdawg> this is what it says[00:29:48] <augdawg> 14+1 records in[00:29:48] <augdawg> 14+1 records out[00:29:48] <augdawg> 15007744 bytes (15 MB) copied, 0.625721 s, 24.0 MB/s[00:29:59] <augdawg> does that look okay?[00:30:11] <augdawg> it says only 15 mb was copied[00:30:20] <Duggan> hmm[00:30:31] <Duggan> nope[00:30:40] <augdawg> i think im sunk[00:30:45] <Duggan> nah[00:31:14] <Duggan> what was your dd command?[00:32:11] <Duggan> I'm no linux pro, but I've dded before.... with a very shaky trigger finger...[00:32:17] <augdawg> sudo dd if=/home/augie/Desktop/haiku-r1alpha2-anyboot.image and then drive number and bs=1M[00:32:21] <augdawg> i think[00:32:29] <Duggan> use the raw image[00:32:37] <augdawg> you mean the iso?[00:32:41] <Duggan> no[00:32:42] <Duggan> one sec[00:32:48] <augdawg> lokay[00:32:51] <augdawg> okay*[00:32:55] <bbjimmy> qemu -hda path_to_raw.img -hdb path_to_partition[00:33:02] <bbjimmy> install to partition[00:33:16] <Duggan> start with a nightly build[00:33:34] <Duggan> http://www.haiku-files.org/raw/[00:33:37] <augdawg> i tried the nightly builds and they didnt work out either[00:33:41] <Duggan> I would suggest a gcc2hybrid[00:33:46] <Duggan> did you dd one?[00:33:46] <augdawg> they didnt have a web browser[00:33:50] <Duggan> they do[00:33:56] <augdawg> oh okay ill try again[00:34:03] <Duggan> do you have internet?[00:34:22] <augdawg> yes im downloading now[00:34:37] <Duggan> when you install a nightly image, if you have internet you can open a terminal window and type "installoptionalpackage webpositive" and it will install a web browser[00:35:15] <augdawg> okay thats good news[00:35:24] <augdawg> should i download the fist zip one?[00:35:40] <Duggan> theres actually 3 total web browsers, webpositive is the haiku native web browser, a firefox port called bezilla exists...[00:35:54] <augdawg> and arora right?[00:36:03] <Duggan> if you can unzip the xz file, then use it[00:36:05] <Duggan> if not use the zip[00:36:26] <Duggan> make sure its a gcc2hybrid (or a gcc4hybrid, but I have had better luck with gcc2hybrids thus far, but thats just me)[00:36:53] <Duggan> actually theres been some talk about arora but I don't think its been ported yet...[00:37:03] <augdawg> yup im downloading the gcc2 and the zip one[00:37:07] <Duggan> the other was netsurf but it doesn't work for me (if it works for anyone...)[00:37:13] <augdawg> oh i thought it had been ported.[00:37:15] *** largo has quit IRC[00:37:20] <Duggan> it may have been...[00:37:24] <augdawg> oh okay -- downloading now....[00:37:29] <Duggan> web+ works great for me[00:38:23] <augdawg> on the flash drive what should i format it as?[00:38:37] <Duggan> what do you mean?[00:38:41] <Duggan> are you dding it to a flash drive?[00:38:58] <augdawg> oh i dont know[00:39:14] <Duggan> were you going to install it on your hard drive?[00:39:22] *** StreaK|ON has quit IRC[00:39:28] <augdawg> yes[00:39:34] <Duggan> then dd it straight to that partition[00:39:47] <Duggan> then put an entry in grub for it[00:39:58] <Duggan> after that you're all set to restart into haiku[00:39:59] <augdawg> okay[00:40:02] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[00:40:08] <augdawg> okay one secc...[00:40:39] <augdawg> okay it finished[00:40:45] <augdawg> so now i dd it[00:40:50] <augdawg> onto the other drive?[00:40:57] <Duggan> onto the partition you want it installed to[00:41:15] <Duggan> make very sure its not a partition you're using :P[00:41:15] <augdawg> do i need fat32 , ext2 what format?'[00:41:26] <Duggan> empty partition... if one exists, it will be destroyed[00:41:40] <augdawg> so no file sysytem[00:41:44] <augdawg> ????[00:41:45] <Duggan> haiku operates on the bfs[00:41:46] <Duggan> yep[00:42:00] <augdawg> but i cant format it as be fs from linux[00:42:02] <augdawg> can i?[00:42:04] <Duggan> you don't have to[00:42:06] <OmniMancer> no[00:42:07] <Duggan> its in the image[00:42:20] <augdawg> okay thats good news[00:42:22] <OmniMancer> if you are dding an image the FS is already in the image[00:42:41] <OmniMancer> if you were installing haiku you can format it from the haiku you are installing from[00:42:46] <Duggan> the image is a snapshot... everything's all set up and ready to go, you just gotta put it on the drive[00:43:05] <Duggan> which is how you'd create the larger partition and install haiku onto it as well[00:43:18] *** wai is now known as avidya[00:43:25] <Duggan> because like I said, images are on quite small partitions that don't leave much room to work with[00:44:00] <augdawg> okay im removing grub and then putting it over the entire[00:44:16] <Duggan> hope you know what you're doing, I'd be scared as hell in your shoes right now lol[00:44:35] <Duggan> with my luck I'd screw something up and end up with a rather expensive paperweight[00:45:32] <augdawg> hahaha[00:47:24] <Duggan> like the first time I installed linux and decided I didn't like it so I deleted it before I got rid of lilo....[00:48:04] <augdawg> if i suddenly go offline you know what happened[00:48:22] <Duggan> lol you won't know til you try to restart... and unfortunately by then it'd be too late :P[00:48:33] *** avidya is now known as wai[00:49:08] <augdawg> sucess![00:49:20] <Duggan> cool, got it dded[00:49:20] <Duggan> ?[00:49:32] <augdawg> no i got it grubbed[00:49:36] <Duggan> oh ok lol[00:49:40] <augdawg> one sec. now im dd ing[00:49:46] <Duggan> alright[00:50:12] <augdawg> should i do the iso or the .image?[00:50:52] <Duggan> .image[00:50:56] <augdawg> okay[00:50:59] <Duggan> iso is for cd's[00:51:13] <augdawg> okay it worked[00:51:19] <Duggan> the raw image is for dding onto harddrives (and other uses)[00:51:25] <augdawg> fewww!!![00:51:25] <Duggan> how much did it copy?[00:51:27] <augdawg> it worked][00:51:40] <augdawg> oh it still only says 15 megs!![00:51:43] *** oco has quit IRC[00:52:13] <augdawg> i dont know what to do know[00:52:20] <augdawg> ill try setting it up in grub[00:52:23] <augdawg> one sec[00:52:32] *** wai is now known as avidya[00:52:37] *** OmniMancer1 has joined #haiku[00:52:43] <Duggan> try it again using just if and of[00:53:04] <Duggan> I don't know if setting the block size would matter, but I don't recall ever having used it[00:53:18] <augdawg> o none of the bs=1M at the end?[00:53:26] <Duggan> yeah try again without that[00:53:46] <augdawg> it still says 15 mb copied[00:53:56] <augdawg> ill try booting it from grub[00:53:59] <Duggan> what partition are you installing it to?[00:54:54] <augdawg> dev/sda3 is that what you mean?[00:55:01] <Duggan> yep[00:55:28] <augdawg> one sec[00:55:39] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[00:57:17] <Duggan> so you said "dd if=haiku-nightly.image of=/dev/sda3" and that didn't work?[00:58:18] <Duggan> (or the sudo variant I suppose)[00:58:46] *** xray7224 has quit IRC[00:58:48] <augdawg> oh i never tried the nightly![00:58:53] <Duggan> ?[00:58:56] <Duggan> what were you using?[00:58:56] <augdawg> oh anyways...[00:59:03] <augdawg> the standard anyboot[00:59:21] <Duggan> I should've looked into that long ago...[00:59:34] <augdawg> do you know how to open a file from the treminal into a text editor with root priveleges like sudo?[00:59:44] *** Skipp_OSX has quit IRC[01:00:08] <augdawg> i tried sudo file_path but it didnt work[01:00:44] <Duggan> what text editor?[01:00:48] <augdawg> gedit[01:00:55] <augdawg> in ubuntu[01:01:00] <Duggan> have you tried "sudo gedit <filepath>"?[01:01:08] <augdawg> oh no let me try that[01:01:31] <augdawg> it worked[01:01:34] <augdawg> thanks[01:01:35] <Duggan> np[01:01:40] <augdawg> okay im editing it now[01:01:48] <Duggan> editing what?[01:02:30] <Duggan> they talk like anyboot images are something different from a raw image, I would suggest trying a raw image[01:03:26] <augdawg> oh i was editing the grub thingy to add the entry into grub[01:03:36] <augdawg> okay im going to reboot and see if it works.[01:03:55] <augdawg> if i dont comeback because my computer is dead thanks for all the help[01:04:08] *** Nozy has quit IRC[01:04:21] <Duggan> erm[01:04:22] <augdawg> okay?[01:04:26] <Duggan> it wont I'm pretty sure[01:04:35] <augdawg> okay well just in case....[01:04:41] <augdawg> you never know[01:04:47] <Duggan> I just looked into anyboot, its a special program I believe[01:04:53] <augdawg> what?[01:04:55] <Duggan> I'd suggest downloading a raw image and trying it[01:05:08] <augdawg> i already have one though[01:05:12] <Duggan> a raw image?[01:05:22] <augdawg> a .image file you mean?[01:05:29] <Duggan> yeah[01:05:34] *** megaf has joined #haiku[01:05:37] <augdawg> oh yeah thats what i used[01:05:41] <Duggan> you dded it?[01:05:51] <Duggan> and it said only 15mb were copied?[01:05:56] <augdawg> oh no i need to do that DUH![01:06:05] <augdawg> ill try the nightly this time[01:06:09] <Duggan> lol ok[01:06:56] *** strohi has quit IRC[01:08:32] <augdawg> its working.... taking longer..[01:08:35] <Duggan> good[01:08:55] *** Andrius has quit IRC[01:09:28] <Duggan> when its done and you restart.... if you have internet, the IRC client is Vision[01:09:51] <augdawg> for haiku?[01:09:53] <Duggan> yep[01:09:58] <augdawg> the irc is vision?[01:10:01] <Duggan> yep[01:10:02] *** largo has joined #haiku[01:10:07] <augdawg> okay great![01:10:24] <augdawg> should be done any minute, i would think...[01:10:35] <Duggan> what type of nic do you have?[01:10:52] <augdawg> it says that 524 mb was copied! yay![01:10:57] <Duggan> good[01:11:01] <augdawg> wait whats an nic[01:11:08] <Duggan> Network Interface Card[01:11:10] <Duggan> network card[01:11:16] <augdawg> oh its some atheros thingy[01:11:45] <Duggan> ok, should work I assume... if it were an rtl81xx variant it might not work, theres been some issues with those in recent builds[01:12:09] <Duggan> restart when ready, and good luck[01:12:11] <augdawg> okay im going to try reboot now.. thanks for all the help duggan[01:12:22] <Duggan> no prob, I'll be here if you need any more help[01:12:35] <augdawg> thanks man see you later[01:12:39] <Duggan> l8r[01:12:43] <augdawg> bye[01:13:34] <CIA-49> anevilyak * r530 /webkit/trunk/WebKit/haiku/WebPositive/autocompletion/AutoCompleterDefaultImpl.cpp: Fix crash that occurred when hitting pgup/pgdn in the URL input without having the choice list visible.[01:17:49] *** augdawg has quit IRC[01:18:51] *** augdawg has joined #haiku[01:19:22] <CIA-49> anevilyak * r531 /webkit/trunk/WebKit/haiku/WebPositive/BrowserApp.cpp: When asked to programmatically open a new URL (i.e. by being launched from another app), give the resulting web view input focus.[01:19:37] <Duggan> wb, whats the word?[01:20:00] <augdawg> Duggan it didnt work but i misstyped something i think so i should be fine.[01:20:11] <Duggan> in grub?[01:20:13] <augdawg> thanks again for all your help! it was great.[01:20:27] <Duggan> no problem... not done yet, not until you're running haiku hehe[01:20:29] <augdawg> oh yeah in the file i had to edit i misstyped[01:20:34] <Duggan> ah ok[01:20:42] <augdawg> i should be fine from here[01:21:04] <augdawg> see ya[01:21:04] <Duggan> I'll be around, don't want to lave you hanging if it doesn't work[01:21:06] <Duggan> l8r[01:21:26] <augdawg> bye thanks again for all the help again[01:21:32] <Duggan> np[01:21:42] <augdawg> bye[01:21:47] <Duggan> l8r[01:23:59] * Xeon3D yo \o/[01:24:06] <dru345> hi[01:24:49] <Duggan> hey Xeon3D, dru345[01:25:30] <Duggan> I really wish could get this layout stuff to work...[01:26:16] *** augdawg has quit IRC[01:32:49] <Duggan> either grub is broke, it worked and his internet doesn't work, or it worked and he's too excited to start vision (or he can't find it)[01:34:13] *** Shisui has quit IRC[01:40:10] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[01:40:17] *** OlaHughson has quit IRC[01:40:34] *** OmniMancer1 has quit IRC[01:46:03] *** jmelesky has quit IRC[02:11:20] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[02:11:46] *** HaikuUser is now known as Sikosis[02:11:56] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[02:13:29] <Duggan> hey Sikosis[02:14:11] <dru345> Duggan i don't quite understand[02:14:28] <Duggan> understand what?[02:15:18] <dru345> the layout stuff[02:15:24] <dru345> :D[02:15:27] <Duggan> me either lol[02:15:53] <Duggan> I think I've got it about figured out, but my program is crashing right now and I need to talk to somebody to figure out whats up[02:18:36] <Duggan> want to see my backtrace? lol[02:18:42] <dru345> me?[02:18:46] <dru345> no :p[02:19:46] <Duggan> ok, well I won't show you then[02:20:11] <Duggan> actually I cant because I forgot I didn't reinstall bezilla and pastebin decided to crap out under web+ again[02:20:17] *** adriano-src has quit IRC[02:20:27] <dru345> tisk[02:20:35] <dru345> i'd be no use on a backtrace :)[02:20:48] <Duggan> its kinda funny though, you should see it[02:21:03] <dru345> ok. well get bezilla[02:21:09] <Duggan> way ahead of you[02:21:13] <dru345> :D[02:23:58] *** Nozy has joined #haiku[02:24:59] <Duggan> here: http://haiku.pastebin.com/7QAtEzKx[02:25:06] <Duggan> lets just say it does that for a while...[02:29:10] <dru345> lol. great[02:42:55] *** AlexFera has quit IRC[02:48:01] *** Nozy has quit IRC[02:57:42] *** ari-free has joined #haiku[02:58:39] <Sikosis> hey Duggan[03:00:24] <Disreali> greeting[03:02:12] *** paul0 has quit IRC[03:03:02] *** impy has quit IRC[03:04:28] <Duggan> hey Sikosis[03:04:34] <Duggan> hey Disreali[03:04:48] <CIA-49> anevilyak * r532 /webkit/trunk/WebKit/haiku/WebPositive/autocompletion/AutoCompleterDefaultImpl.cpp: Fix style violation.[03:07:54] *** impy has joined #haiku[03:07:59] *** impy has quit IRC[03:08:09] *** impy has joined #haiku[03:10:32] <CIA-49> bonefish * r37532 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/thread.cpp:[03:10:32] <CIA-49> * Resolved TODO: Use an object cache for the thread structure alloction.[03:10:32] <CIA-49> * Align the allocated objects to 16 byte. This is required by the x86[03:10:32] <CIA-49> arch_thread structure. Haiku only didn't crash and burn since the until[03:10:32] <CIA-49> recently used heap allocator apparently aligned the structures to 16 byte[03:10:32] <CIA-49> anyway and the now used slab allocator has a bug preventing slab coloring[03:10:33] <CIA-49> for that object size.[03:20:40] <CIA-49> anevilyak * r37533 /haiku/trunk/build/jam/OptionalPackages:[03:20:41] <CIA-49> Update WebPositive to r532.[03:24:40] <CIA-49> bonefish * r37534 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/slab/ (5 files): (log message trimmed)[03:24:40] <CIA-49> * Added ObjectCache::alignment, the object alignment and used the alignment for[03:24:40] <CIA-49> incrementing the cache color cycle. Using the fixed value (8) would[03:24:40] <CIA-49> potentially misalign the object again.[03:24:40] <CIA-49> * Don't use CACHE_ALIGN_ON_SIZE for object caches any longer -- we have the[03:24:40] <CIA-49> alignment parameter anyway (the flag is still used for the MemoryManager,[03:24:40] <CIA-49> though).[03:33:05] *** Disreali has quit IRC[03:34:02] *** not_you has joined #haiku[03:35:44] <not_you> windows xp is retarded. and not just unusable, it actually is brain-damaged.[03:35:58] * not_you connected a camera and couldn't get data from it for 30 mins[03:36:17] <not_you> it kept saying the device was busy, when absolutely nothing was using it.[03:36:43] <not_you> anyways.. any news worth sharing?[03:37:03] *** not_you is now known as l_n[03:42:34] <Duggan> lol hey l_n[03:42:49] <l_n> hello.[03:43:22] *** Sir_Konrad has quit IRC[03:44:24] <Duggan> I have to admit, xp really doesn't have a clue about when a device is in use or not[03:44:53] <l_n> and icechat has some 'features' that should be forcibly removed from the codebase.[03:45:04] <Duggan> hehe[03:45:27] <l_n> i don't need an irc client to display a clickable list of stuff i've typed, a server sidebar, nick sidebar, menu bar, button bar, etc. etc.[03:45:46] <l_n> and it's damned ugly.[04:00:12] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[04:05:33] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[04:11:52] *** kurain__ has joined #haiku[04:12:01] <kurain__> hello all[04:13:45] <kurain__> hello dru345, Marcos[04:22:32] *** bbjimmy has joined #haiku[04:28:52] *** _gringo has quit IRC[04:30:22] *** srbaker has joined #haiku[04:30:23] <srbaker> hey folks[04:30:27] <srbaker> i'm trying to untar emacs[04:30:32] <srbaker> but tar zxvf emacs-23.2.tar.gz[04:30:41] <srbaker> i get a bunch of "Cannot open: No such file or directory"[04:30:50] <srbaker> are there some tar incompatibilities that i'm not aware of?[04:31:03] <srbaker> ah, nevermind[04:31:08] <srbaker> heh. disk is full[04:34:02] *** Geoz has quit IRC[04:34:43] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[04:38:08] *** kurain__ has quit IRC[04:39:45] <Duggan> haiku has emacs?[04:42:05] <srbaker> Duggan: well, that's what i'm working on[04:42:14] <Duggan> oh hehe[04:42:29] <srbaker> i want to port emacs23[04:42:55] <Duggan> have fun with that[04:43:05] <Duggan> I don't really know why you'd want to honestly[04:43:24] <Duggan> but if you see a need for it I guess thats one person that'd use it :)[04:44:33] <DraX> haiku has emacs[04:44:55] <DraX> srbaker: http://www.alexbl.net/~alexbl/emacs-23.1.93-haiku-gcc4.zip[04:45:00] <srbaker> DraX: even gui?[04:45:03] <DraX> no[04:45:09] <srbaker> right, gui is what i'm going for[04:45:34] <DraX> well, you'll want patches from cpr420 or me[04:45:37] <DraX> i think he has more up to date ones[04:45:38] <dru345> emacs has a gui?[04:45:43] <Duggan> I know it has vim..... that one *really* baffles me :/[04:46:00] <dru345> vi is the one true editors :P[04:46:01] <DraX> dru345: it has a gui-based mode[04:46:09] <Duggan> I am not of the church of vi[04:46:32] <Duggan> I'll stick with pe and stylededit[04:46:35] <DraX> http://alexbl.net/~alexbl/gimme.png - gui emacs[04:46:46] <dru345> vi is what we had to code with in college so :P[04:46:47] <DraX> running my summer of code students project :)[04:46:59] <Duggan> lol DraX[04:47:47] <DraX> but you can also for example display images in emacs[04:47:54] <srbaker> okay. i'm going to get synced up. awesome.[04:47:56] <DraX> http://dme.org/images/2010-03-24-153836_868x805_scrot.png[04:48:00] <DraX> like that[04:48:03] <srbaker> i'm just getting back into haiku. it's beena while[04:50:25] <srbaker> is the ppc port current?[04:50:31] <srbaker> i'd love to have Haiku running on my BeBox[04:50:32] <dru345> welcome back to haiku[04:50:45] <dru345> uh the ppc port doesn't finish booting yet[04:50:50] <srbaker> shame[04:51:04] <DraX> some people have even been working on embedding arbitrary gtk widgets into an emacs buffer[04:51:11] <DraX> http://www.haxney.org/2009/08/its-alive.html[04:51:18] <srbaker> i really think haiku has a reasonable shot at being the future. i'm absolutely sick of apple's bullshit, and want to move off of OS X[04:52:00] <srbaker> but to be realistic, every year since 1998 has been "the year of linux on the desktop" and while ubuntu is making it better, there are long standing QA and cultural issues at all levels of linux that prevent that from being a good long term solution[04:52:15] * DraX got a new phone today :)[04:52:25] <srbaker> DraX: what'd you get?[04:52:41] <DraX> tmobile vibrant/samsung galaxy s[04:52:48] <srbaker> has gtk been ported to haiku? is that how firefox runs on it?[04:52:53] <dru345> the year of linux on the desktop will be when students carve linux into their school desks instead of off color jokes :P[04:53:03] <DraX> srbaker: no the (old) firefox port is a native one[04:53:07] <srbaker> oh good[04:53:42] <srbaker> i think cross-platform gui toolkits is les swork to get apps, but you get a watered down experience[04:53:43] <dru345> srbaker, for me OS X is fine. iOS and how it's handled is another thing entirely and I have no ipod or ipad or iphone.[04:54:09] <srbaker> dru345: right. but i think iOS and how they're handling that is a hint at how they'll handle OS X[04:54:31] <dru345> I don't think that follows.[04:54:43] <srbaker> if market share gets up there, i think it does[04:54:54] <srbaker> the only reason they don't do it now is because it doesn't make sense to lock people out at 10% market share[04:55:00] <srbaker> but it makes sense at, say, 40-50% or more[04:55:09] *** kurain__ has joined #haiku[04:55:27] <srbaker> Apple is like the NDP (a political party here in Canada). The NDP makes an excellent opposition party. But every time they get into power, they steal money, and screw the people raw.[04:55:55] <srbaker> Apple is a great 10% market share holder. But the iPod and iPhone are evidence of what happens when they gain significant share in a given market.[04:56:11] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[04:56:16] <srbaker> the ipod is just as bad as the iphone; there just wasn't an app store.[04:56:40] <dru345> i don't see that with the music being DRM free[04:56:56] <srbaker> dru345: try getting your music on an ipod without using itunes[04:57:01] <dru345> as for video (and music when it had DRM), DRM is the decision of content providers.[04:57:05] <Duggan> I really don't see what the big whooptidoo is about with the whole iCrap[04:57:20] <srbaker> there are a few open source things, but they're behind by definition.[04:57:22] <dru345> srbaker it's duable but why would you want to?[04:57:35] <srbaker> dru345: well, i hate itunes. but i wouldn't own an ipod.[04:57:44] <srbaker> but suppose someone has a legitimate reason for wanting an ipod, and didnt' have windows or mac?[04:57:48] <dru345> LOL[04:58:08] <Duggan> my phone has windows mobile and it plays mp3s just fine[04:58:16] <srbaker> there are some tools out there that can hack your way into an ipod. but those aren't sustainable options[04:58:20] <srbaker> yeah, i'm getting a nexus1. they're so sweet[04:58:37] <dru345> that's ridiculous. i have a legit reason for Office but can't run it on Haiku. is that MS's fault? :P[04:58:47] <Duggan> dru345 yes you can[04:58:52] *** Beyecixramd has quit IRC[04:59:03] <dru345> Duggan i don't mean the lame online thing :P[04:59:12] <srbaker> dru345: you don't. you have a legit reason to open .doc files and can't on haiku, and that's microsoft's fault.[04:59:32] *** Beyecixramd has joined #haiku[04:59:36] *** bbjimmy has joined #haiku[04:59:44] <srbaker> but by buying an ipod,i'd have a device i can't get my data on to or off of without using software that won't exist forever[04:59:50] <dru345> well it was a stupid analogy :P[05:00:01] <Duggan> http://ddevnet.net/entry/microsoft-office-live-working-in-haiku-8-1546.html[05:00:04] <Duggan> oh lol[05:00:05] <dru345> why wouldn't it exist 'forever' srbaker?[05:00:10] <Duggan> well the lame online thing is still microsoft office :P[05:00:22] <dru345> Duggan no sane person would think so :P[05:00:41] <Duggan> dru345 no sane person would use office :P[05:01:43] <dru345> perhaps but it has great clipboard support and search/replace that isn't fully matched. :P[05:02:15] <dru345> give me that in an alternative app, even OOo :P[05:07:03] <Duggan> dru345 are you serious?...[05:07:13] <dru345> what? yes.[05:07:14] <Duggan> lol[05:07:29] <Duggan> I prefer ease of use...... notepad works just fine :P[05:07:54] <dru345> well if you're not working with other people's data :P[05:08:29] <dru345> i'm also referring to Mac Office. :P[05:09:26] <Duggan> :O<[05:09:45] <dru345> pasting from a website into Word is often pretty good. Ditto pasting table data.[05:10:05] <dru345> I'll often use Word as an intermediary[05:10:24] <Duggan> notepad..... and now stylededit... it has colors XD[05:10:43] <dru345> but you can't search / replace the colors. you can in Word :P[05:11:17] <dru345> sometimes these are necessary evils[05:14:54] <dru345> haiku needs a word processor :P[05:15:14] <dru345> maybe srbaker will port abiword[05:15:31] <srbaker> naw, i only need emacs[05:15:32] <srbaker> and ruby[05:15:50] <dru345> but what about your fellow haiku users?[05:16:09] <dru345> the "desktop" that linux won't be ready for :P[05:16:17] *** kurain__ has quit IRC[05:16:21] <srbaker> i think people who "need" word processors can work on those[05:16:30] <srbaker> :P[05:16:38] <srbaker> although, with java, we'd get open office.[05:16:52] <srbaker> but an abiword port would be better. abiword is really portable[05:17:14] <Duggan> haiku will never take off among linux users[05:17:21] <Duggan> its faaaaaaaaaaar too easy to use[05:17:59] <srbaker> heh, yeha[05:18:08] <Duggan> they like to overcomplicate things because it makes them feel like they're being more efficient :P[05:18:09] *** Beyecixramd has quit IRC[05:18:15] <srbaker> well, i suppose i was sort of a "linux user"[05:18:22] <srbaker> i was a debian developer for liek 10 years[05:20:25] <Duggan> somebody should port a vm for me to run inferno in inside haiku[05:20:36] <Duggan> that would be wicked[05:22:08] <Duggan> whoah..... they ported it to run inside Plan 9.....[05:22:28] <Duggan> running Inferno inside Plan 9........ in qemu in Haiku... that would be SICK![05:23:32] * JonathanThompson poits[05:23:36] *** mmadia has quit IRC[05:23:42] <dru345> hello JonathanThompson[05:24:01] <JonathanThompson> Another day, more insanity at work.[05:25:34] <Duggan> hey JonathanThompson[05:25:44] <JonathanThompson> Hi Duggan[05:25:48] <JonathanThompson> (And dru345)[05:25:52] <Duggan> lol[05:25:57] <Duggan> brb, dog wants out[05:26:54] <JonathanThompson> Sounds like a personal problem, Duggan:p[05:30:54] <Duggan> shut it JonathanThompson :P[05:32:06] <Duggan> you know anything about the layout system by any chance?[05:33:45] <JonathanThompson> :p[05:34:51] <Duggan> I'll take that as a no... thats ok, I wasn't expecting much anyway :P[05:34:56] *** jmayfield has joined #haiku[05:35:15] <Duggan> lol[05:35:49] <JonathanThompson> :p[05:35:57] <JonathanThompson> Not used it yet :D[05:36:05] <jmayfield> hi JonathanThompson[05:36:10] <JonathanThompson> Hi jmayfield.[05:36:16] <Duggan> don't be in any hurry to either :/[05:36:16] <JonathanThompson> How goes the new gig?[05:36:23] <jmayfield> good so far[05:36:29] <JonathanThompson> Are you saying it sucks, Duggan?[05:36:30] <jmayfield> got a new mbp.. hehe[05:36:49] <JonathanThompson> Where I'm at... is... chaos.[05:37:08] <JonathanThompson> (Well, for making things be repeatable, it frankly isn't setup right for that)[05:37:08] <Duggan> I would if I felt I could, but its not done, and thus, undocumented... so it's currently unnecessarily difficult to use[05:37:16] <jmayfield> gave osx another chance.. figured i'd see what 10.6 is all about..its got ubuntu installed on it now.. :-p[05:37:30] <JonathanThompson> Well, so much for that :P[05:37:50] <JonathanThompson> You need to get stuff written for using Grand Central.[05:38:04] <jmayfield> for what i want, osx works, its just everything has a catch.. gets irritating[05:38:06] <JonathanThompson> But, of course, if you don't use any apps that'd benefit from it, well...[05:38:14] <Sikosis> curious i installed ubuntu on my netbook the other day and grub seems to have changed[05:38:22] <JonathanThompson> Every OS I've ever used has some sort of catch, jmayfield.[05:38:33] <jmayfield> trying to compile things.. theres almost ALWAYS some speacial instructions/caveats for osx[05:38:33] <Sikosis> like there was no menu.lst for me to edit and add haiku as a boot option[05:38:59] <Sikosis> any1 else seen that ?[05:39:15] <JonathanThompson> Well, there's one thing that may/may not bite me in a meaningful way with badly written software: the Mac FS is normally case-insensitive, though I've set mine up to be case-sensitive.[05:39:23] <jmayfield> JonathanThompson, sure.. i am not even talking about the os as a user experience so much as i am talking about getting the tools i like/want/need[05:39:27] * Duggan never used ubuntu or osx and tries to avoid grub like its the plague[05:40:53] <jmayfield> its so easy for me in ubuntu to have exactly the dev environment i want, with exactly the tools.. trying to get that in osx is a real bitch.. and no, i dont want to use fancy osx native apps, as a mac user, i am supposed to be all drooly over[05:41:26] <jmayfield> ya know.. textmate can fuck off[05:41:29] <jmayfield> heh[05:41:30] <cpr420> Sikosis: it probably upgraded you to grub2[05:41:55] <dru345> JonathanThompson - that's isn't your boot drive is it?[05:42:25] * JonathanThompson wonders which one dru345 meant, is or is not...[05:42:48] <JonathanThompson> I think I've got my boot drive as case-sensitive.[05:42:54] <dru345> the one with case sensitive file sys[05:43:54] <jmayfield> oh yah, and that... that case-insensitive is even an option, let alone the default, is a big wtf?![05:44:01] <jmayfield> heh[05:44:43] <dru345> well don't expect to use Abode's crap - http://dontexplain.com/static/2009/wtfadobe.jpg[05:44:48] <JonathanThompson> jmayfield, Windows is case-insensitive by default and design.[05:44:50] <Duggan> well I figure I'm going to go study the code on the back of my eyelids[05:45:03] <dru345> goodnight Duggan[05:45:17] <jmayfield> JonathanThompson, windows...wtf.. synonyms, right?[05:45:23] <JonathanThompson> :p[05:46:10] <Duggan> l8r dru345, JonathanThompson, jmayfield, cpr420, Sikosis, etc, etc, etc, so on, so forth, et al, ad infinitum, ad nauseum[05:46:19] <JonathanThompson> Bye Duggan[05:47:46] * JonathanThompson can't decipher how you determine which OSX filesystem is case-sensitive with a command...[05:48:04] <cpr420> touch test.file && ls TEST>FILE[05:48:08] <cpr420> TEST.FILE[05:49:22] <JonathanThompson> Bah, don't feel like doing much about it tonight, if ever ;)[05:50:03] <jmayfield> he[05:50:06] <jmayfield> heh too[05:50:14] <JonathanThompson> Appears to be case-sensitive for my boot drive.[05:50:21] *** Nozy has joined #haiku[05:50:47] <JonathanThompson> Why they didn't do a minor extension for df I don't know.[05:51:15] <dru345> df?[05:51:43] <JonathanThompson> Lists filesystems.[05:51:53] <JonathanThompson> Tells things about them, such as mount points and sizes.[05:52:05] <dru345> oh[05:52:18] <JonathanThompson> (Works on BeOS/Haiku/Linux, too!)[05:52:24] <dru345> i see df and think 'daring fireball' lol[05:52:33] <Sikosis> cpr420: ok ill look into it ... cheers[05:52:38] * JonathanThompson wipes dru345's wind[05:53:13] * dru345 doesn't get it[05:53:19] * dru345 goes back to tracker code[05:55:14] *** matthias9 has quit IRC[05:57:14] *** matthias9 has joined #haiku[06:03:16] *** [Katisu] has joined #haiku[06:10:16] *** acous has quit IRC[06:16:59] *** Disreali has quit IRC[06:44:08] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[07:18:28] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[07:19:02] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[07:20:32] *** kPb_in has joined #haiku[07:21:16] *** velcroshooz has joined #haiku[07:46:04] *** jamy has joined #haiku[07:46:20] *** Nozy has quit IRC[07:49:24] <velcroshooz> hi, is there any special requirements or settings to get haiku's latest vm image running under virtualbox?[07:49:44] <dru345> only change of network card to the intel 1000 desktop[07:50:29] <dru345> that's in the advanced network prefs. in vbox[07:52:33] *** jamy has quit IRC[07:53:00] *** jamy has joined #haiku[07:53:21] <velcroshooz> great, thanks. i had read the article on the haiku website concerning it but most of the posts were fairly outdated.[07:55:12] <dru345> np[08:03:22] *** kitallis has joined #haiku[08:06:18] *** Trezker has quit IRC[08:09:15] *** markos_ has quit IRC[08:09:50] *** Trezker has joined #haiku[08:10:23] *** markos_ has joined #haiku[08:11:08] *** Ziusudra has quit IRC[08:11:20] *** Ziusudra has joined #haiku[08:14:20] *** Trezker has quit IRC[08:14:45] *** Trezker has joined #haiku[08:16:11] *** lorglas has joined #haiku[08:16:26] <lorglas> hi[08:16:36] *** RQ has joined #haiku[08:17:02] <RQ> morning[08:17:17] <lorglas> how can i find out the creation time or modification time for folder in c or c++[08:17:41] <jamy> http://sourceforge.net/projects/bel4ka/[08:20:06] <RQ> lorglas: stat() ?[08:23:02] <lorglas> RQ: ok, i'm looking again in stat[08:23:23] <lorglas> because for a file works[08:23:34] <lorglas> i think i make something wrong[08:23:39] <RQ> lorglas: I'm not a programmer, but I guess it should work for a folder too[08:23:41] <johnny_b> jamy: what?! :)[08:24:06] <cpr420> lorglas: you can also use anything that derives from BStatable (BNode, BFile, etc...)[08:24:59] <cpr420> http://www.haiku-os.org/legacy-docs/bebook/BStatable.html[08:25:00] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[08:25:26] <jamy> johnny_b: beos on new kernel. Be or not to be?[08:25:42] <johnny_b> beos?[08:25:52] <jamy> haiku[08:26:18] *** Nozy has joined #haiku[08:26:19] <johnny_b> so that should be in the name, not beos[08:26:31] <johnny_b> what is the goal for the project?[08:29:05] <jamy> renew haiku.[08:30:11] <johnny_b> :)[08:30:39] <johnny_b> interesting idea[08:31:03] <jamy> to help haiku developers transfer this os on innovation kernel[08:32:29] <jamy> the main ides its what this os must be more free then GNU[08:32:42] <jamy> *idea[08:32:47] <johnny_b> i see[08:33:02] <johnny_b> afaik the kernel is under MIT license too[08:33:17] <jamy> bsd[08:33:17] <johnny_b> it's more liberal than GNU[08:35:07] <jamy> two-clause BSD license.(http://l4ka.org/bsdlicense.php)[08:37:49] *** jamy has quit IRC[08:38:11] <OmniMancer> haiku kernel isn't GPL[08:38:55] *** Andrius has joined #haiku[08:39:17] <OmniMancer> why does this guy seem to want to change the kernel of haiku?[08:39:34] <johnny_b> i don't understand him :)[08:40:12] <johnny_b> if he has the knowledge to work on kernel he should contact with geist or axeld and do some brainstorming[08:40:12] *** Trezker has quit IRC[08:40:38] <johnny_b> actually i can't see the real benefit running haiku on l4[08:40:56] <RQ> Andrius: hi![08:43:29] <lorglas> thnaks, cu[08:43:32] *** lorglas has quit IRC[08:45:17] *** Andrius has quit IRC[08:46:37] *** Nozy has quit IRC[08:49:18] <RQ> is there a way to download full SVN directory from Trac?[08:51:57] <dru345> I don't understand. why not use svn to download the source?[08:52:55] *** falselight has joined #haiku[08:53:38] <RQ> I'm trying to use svn now[08:53:53] <RQ> I only want to checkout data/catalogs[08:54:01] <RQ> but it chokes with one of them[08:54:19] <RQ> just to make sure: what's the command line to check out?[08:54:45] <RQ> I tried svn co http://svn.berlios.de/svnroot/repos/haiku/haiku/trunk/data/catalogs/[08:55:34] <RQ> but I get a can't open file message, so I'm looking for other ways to achieve the same :)[08:57:42] <cpr420> you aren't be chance doing this on a mac?[08:57:49] <cpr420> *by chance[08:57:58] *** Nozy has joined #haiku[08:58:38] <RQ> i am[08:58:50] <RQ> why?[08:58:51] <cpr420> you need a case sensitive HFS[08:59:04] <RQ> isn't it?[08:59:13] <cpr420> not usually by default[08:59:30] <RQ> wow[08:59:41] <cpr420> you can cheat and create a case sensitive disk image, mount it, and check out to that[09:00:09] <RQ> that would work[09:00:17] <RQ> how do I create an image?[09:00:27] <cpr420> disk utility[09:01:33] <RQ> ok :P)[09:01:37] <RQ> thanks[09:01:51] <RQ> I thought unix-like OS'es are case-sensitive by default[09:01:57] <cpr420> not osx[09:01:58] *** strohi has joined #haiku[09:02:44] <RQ> who would've known... :)[09:03:18] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[09:08:14] <OmniMancer> johnny_b: haiku already has a working kernel that is MIT licensed we don't need another one to complicate things :P[09:09:14] *** Nozy has quit IRC[09:09:52] <johnny_b> OmniMancer: i know :)[09:10:58] * geist yargs[09:11:06] <johnny_b> my idea is porting haiku to minix 3 :D[09:11:09] <OmniMancer> I suspect it's a person who has irrational love for l4 :P[09:11:13] <OmniMancer> :P[09:11:33] <OmniMancer> there is a guy who I saw in llvm channel who wants to make a kernel from minix :P[09:11:42] <OmniMancer> adapt minix[09:11:55] <johnny_b> cool :)[09:12:17] <johnny_b> the final solution should be haiku on plan 9 :p[09:13:06] *** GedMurphy has joined #haiku[09:14:15] *** Shisui has joined #haiku[09:19:37] *** strohi has quit IRC[09:19:57] *** Andrius has joined #haiku[09:21:31] *** Shisui has quit IRC[09:29:36] <OmniMancer> :P[09:30:47] *** cr3 has joined #haiku[09:34:10] <RQ> anyone has any idea when to expect PulkoMandy to join?[09:40:14] *** ibre has joined #haiku[09:40:22] <cr3> should i install haiku?[09:40:31] <cpr420> no[09:40:35] <cr3> ok[09:40:38] <cpr420> lol[09:40:43] <cr3> :D[09:41:05] <RQ> :D[09:41:13] <dru345> :D[09:42:01] <RQ> are logs of this channel available online?.\[09:42:17] <cpr420> the link is in the channel topic[09:42:42] <RQ> found them, cool :)[09:42:50] <RQ> haha, who reads the topic! :D[09:44:49] <cr3> only losers[09:44:50] *** Ola has joined #haiku[09:44:59] *** ibre has quit IRC[09:45:18] *** Ola is now known as Guest64348[09:45:21] *** Guest64348 is now known as OlaHughson[09:45:57] <cr3> is haiku good for something?[09:47:00] <cpr420> http://www.haiku-os.org/about[09:48:34] *** velcroshooz has quit IRC[09:48:58] *** veve-mao has quit IRC[10:00:39] *** ibre has joined #haiku[10:05:25] *** RQ has quit IRC[10:05:50] *** RQ has joined #haiku[10:09:57] *** JoeyA has joined #haiku[10:11:14] *** J-Ho has joined #haiku[10:13:50] *** waveshaper has joined #haiku[10:21:13] *** marc_smith has joined #haiku[10:23:30] *** odites has joined #haiku[10:24:55] *** cr3 has quit IRC[10:27:23] *** dru345 is now known as away345[10:27:58] *** marc_smith has quit IRC[10:28:16] *** away345 has left #haiku[10:28:18] *** falselight has quit IRC[10:29:21] *** mrsun_ has joined #haiku[10:38:27] <Xeon3D> gluon tás? :)[10:54:53] *** ali3n0 has joined #haiku[10:54:56] <ali3n0> hi folks[10:54:59] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[10:55:45] <RQ> PulkoMandy : hey![11:00:17] *** iIngenu has joined #haiku[11:02:39] *** Ziusudra has quit IRC[11:03:44] <PulkoMandy> hey :)[11:05:12] <RQ> PulkoMandy: I already have a patch for Pootle that we could test[11:05:31] <RQ> just need a server with mod_python now[11:06:19] <PulkoMandy> I don't have one...[11:06:32] <PulkoMandy> well I do but there is no free ram anymore, I need to upgrade it[11:07:05] <Xeon3D> RQ if speed isn't an issue, I can set up you with something temporarily[11:07:24] <RQ> no it's not[11:07:33] <RQ> what OS would it be?[11:07:33] <Xeon3D> gimme a min or two then[11:07:36] <Xeon3D> Linucks[11:07:46] <RQ> which one?[11:07:51] <RQ> cause I'm best used to Debina[11:07:53] <Xeon3D> Arch :D[11:08:13] <RQ> just managed to get a demo server at elastichosts[11:08:55] <RQ> but that's a 5 day trial[11:15:47] *** marshan has joined #haiku[11:15:55] <marshan> zoit![11:18:54] *** JoeyA has quit IRC[11:19:57] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[11:37:40] *** ibre has left #haiku[11:47:31] *** {V} has joined #haiku[11:53:34] *** lorglas has joined #haiku[11:57:22] *** Styrbjorn has quit IRC[12:00:11] *** impy has quit IRC[12:00:33] *** Styrbjorn has joined #haiku[12:07:23] *** wildur has joined #haiku[12:08:48] <gluon> Xeon3D: I am now[12:10:02] <Xeon3D> did you meet DaaT ?[12:10:05] <Xeon3D> he was online yesterday[12:10:31] <gluon> no but I'll check the logs[12:11:07] <gluon> oh, another pt geek :P[12:13:33] <Xeon3D> not another...[12:13:35] <Xeon3D> but the other :D[12:13:44] <Xeon3D> We're like the three stooges.[12:13:56] <gluon> ohhh I see[12:15:18] <gluon> nice, is he back to Haiku? Hadn't seen him online yet[12:16:18] *** b0nes65 has joined #haiku[12:18:14] <Xeon3D> he appears very rarely :)[12:21:15] <Xeon3D> and I don't know what are his intentions regarding Haiku.[12:28:15] *** AlexFera has joined #haiku[12:55:28] *** Nom4d3 has joined #haiku[12:59:42] *** odites has quit IRC[13:03:08] *** b0nes65 has quit IRC[13:05:19] <RQ> ouch[13:07:39] *** l_n has quit IRC[13:26:53] *** RQ has quit IRC[13:31:30] *** _gringo has joined #haiku[13:36:35] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[13:43:10] *** [Katisu]_m has joined #haiku[13:45:15] *** [Katisu] has quit IRC[13:45:16] *** [Katisu]_m is now known as [Katisu][13:46:41] *** marshan has left #haiku[13:47:15] *** [Katisu]_m has joined #haiku[13:49:44] <CIA-49> jackburton * r37535 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/terminal/ (5 files):[13:49:44] <CIA-49> Add a menufield to select color combinations, and add obvious[13:49:44] <CIA-49> "white on black" and "black on white". For some reason these aren't[13:49:44] <CIA-49> applied live, like when you chose a custom combo.[13:49:44] <CIA-49> I'm not really fond of the code, and will rework it in the next few days.[13:49:44] *** [Katisu] has quit IRC[13:49:44] <CIA-49> But at least it works![13:49:45] *** [Katisu]_m is now known as [Katisu][13:49:54] *** iIngenu_ has joined #haiku[13:53:17] <CIA-49> jackburton * r37536 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/terminal/Colors.cpp:[13:53:17] <CIA-49> Obviously, just checking for the text color isn't enough.[13:53:17] <CIA-49> Also renamed colors to schema since it makes more sense[13:53:27] *** iIngenu has quit IRC[13:55:00] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[13:55:18] <Anarchos> Where can i change permanently $PATH in the Terminal ?[13:59:04] *** genki has joined #haiku[14:00:49] <CIA-49> jackburton * r37537 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/terminal/TermWindow.cpp: Color schemas are applied live now.[14:01:18] <Anarchos> wow i compiled TeXLive for Haiku !!![14:03:06] *** Beyecixramd has joined #haiku[14:07:43] *** jamy has joined #haiku[14:12:05] *** odites has joined #haiku[14:12:52] <mmu_screen> cool[14:15:35] <Anarchos> mmu_screen i produce the small2e.pdf file[14:15:40] <Anarchos> able to read with BePDF[14:17:09] <Anarchos> mmu_screen do you want a sample of what i did ?[14:18:05] *** impy has joined #haiku[14:23:19] <mmu_screen> I trust you :p[14:23:36] <HeTo> isn't it short2e.pdf?[14:24:03] <HeTo> or lshort2e.pdf[14:24:27] <Anarchos> "can't find file short2e"[14:27:07] <HeTo> oh, it seems small2e is something different[14:27:43] <Anarchos> HeTo anyway i am really pleased to be able to tweak the configure files of TeXLive to build for haiku !![14:28:54] <Duggan> hi all[14:29:34] <Anarchos> hi Duggan[14:31:16] <Anarchos> HeTo as soon as i can i will send my binaries to TexLive[14:37:10] *** hUMUNGUs has quit IRC[14:43:01] *** kurain__ has joined #haiku[14:44:34] *** johnny_b has quit IRC[14:46:30] <kurain__> hello all[14:51:05] *** bubsy has quit IRC[14:51:19] <Duggan> hey kurain__[14:51:46] <kurain__> hey duggan[14:54:54] *** bubsy has joined #haiku[14:56:24] *** jrepan has joined #haiku[14:56:57] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[15:00:42] *** kPb_in has quit IRC[15:02:17] *** [Katisu] has quit IRC[15:06:06] *** xray7224 has joined #haiku[15:08:08] *** kunal has joined #haiku[15:09:22] *** kunal is now known as kPb_in[15:13:50] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[15:15:52] *** phoudoin has joined #haiku[15:15:53] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o phoudoin[15:19:55] *** RQ has joined #haiku[15:23:35] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[15:28:56] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[15:30:22] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[15:30:25] *** StreaK|ON has joined #haiku[15:30:50] <RQ> PulkoMandy: http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/toolkit/catkeys[15:33:28] <RQ> and thanks to Xeon3d we already have a half-working Pootle install with catkeys support! :)[15:34:52] <StreaK|ON> hey guys[15:35:17] <StreaK|ON> is there any tutor how create bookmarks in haiku using addattr or sth?[15:37:33] <humdinger> StreaK|ON: Should be easy. Where is the problem?[15:39:32] <StreaK|ON> ok, i figured out it :)[15:39:39] <humdinger> :)[15:39:55] <StreaK|ON> addattr dont like case insensitive :)[15:39:58] <StreaK|ON> hehe[15:40:21] <StreaK|ON> my fault :)[15:40:26] <humdinger> all Haiku's cli apps are pretty sensitive...[15:41:55] <StreaK|ON> need to write a small opera.adr -> bookmarks converter, because converting manually sucks[15:41:59] *** kPb_in has quit IRC[15:42:00] <StreaK|ON> hehe[15:42:15] <humdinger> Cool.[15:42:23] <humdinger> Wanna try firefox as well? :)[15:42:37] <RQ> PulkoMandy: do you store english catkeys anywhere in SVN?[15:43:07] <StreaK|ON> will add FF aswell if i test it more..[15:43:20] <humdinger> That's great, StreaK|ON![15:46:42] <Lelldorin1> StreaK|ON: do you want to make webpositive or ff bookmarks?[15:46:42] <phoudoin> RQ: they are stored under trunk/data/catalogs/...[15:47:00] <RQ> phoudoin: no, that's all other catalogs[15:47:25] <RQ> what I need is catalog templates[15:47:30] <phoudoin> oh, sorry. no, there is no english catalogs, as the native language embedded in the code is supposed to be in english[15:48:06] <Lelldorin1> StreaK|ON: http://www.besly.de/menu/search/archiv/misc/terminal_people_eng.html[15:48:39] *** humdinger is now known as humdinger_afk[15:48:40] <RQ> phoudoin: how about this: a developer only knows English, and can't localize his own app to any other language. What is she supposed to do in that case? with gettext, we had templates. What about Haiku?[15:49:28] <RQ> I'm asking because Pootle currently shows everything as 100% translated...[15:50:06] *** wildur has quit IRC[15:51:02] <RQ> phoudoin: also, what happens when a developer updates their app? Are catkeys files in other languages automatically updated with English phrases?[15:51:44] <StreaK|ON> Lelldorin1: found it , thanks[15:52:14] <StreaK|ON> Lelldorin1: webpositive bookmarks [netpositive compatuble][15:52:19] <StreaK|ON> compatible[15:52:32] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[15:52:58] <phoudoin> RQ: the Haiku build system comes with a tool which generate the en.catkey file from sources.[15:53:20] <Lelldorin1> StreaK|ON: look private chant[15:53:54] <Duggan> StreaK|ON neat widget btw, but it doesn't seem to work for me[15:54:04] <phoudoin> RQ: see under src/bin/locale[15:54:07] <RQ> phoudoin: could we have them in SVN too?[15:54:38] <StreaK|ON> Duggan: but, mplayer works?[15:54:48] <phoudoin> it doesn't make sense, the native locale is by definition the one in the source code...[15:55:00] <Duggan> oh... just tried it... no, missing some libraries[15:55:18] <StreaK|ON> because you'll need to install sdl libs + ogg libs + theora libs[15:55:30] <Duggan> ah[15:55:35] <Duggan> I did watch the video though[15:55:41] <StreaK|ON> sdl gcc4 libs needded[15:55:51] <Lelldorin1> StreaK|ON: have you got my language file?[15:56:03] <RQ> phoudoin: I don't ask it to be part of the compiled app :)[15:56:15] <StreaK|ON> Lelldorin1: yes.. thank You[15:56:18] <Duggan> interesting concept but for me its just as easy to double click a media file[15:56:47] <RQ> it's just that having a proper template file would be really useful. It's last column should probably even be empty[15:58:45] *** fwolff has joined #haiku[15:59:44] <RQ> phoudoin: so, we have those templates in SVN?[16:00:16] <RQ> err, that had to say "could we have.."[16:01:59] <RQ> or am I supposed to bug PulkoMandy about that? :)[16:03:32] <RQ> it doesn't necessarily have to be called en.catkeys. It could be template.catkeys, or catkeys.template or something like that instead[16:04:22] <fwolff> well, template.catkeys would probably be best for now[16:06:13] *** oZ] has joined #haiku[16:06:52] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[16:07:47] *** jamy has quit IRC[16:10:52] <PulkoMandy> en.catkeys works very well for hta[16:11:03] <PulkoMandy> it avoids me having to handle one more format[16:11:29] <PulkoMandy> if youwant these files, they are available at build'o'matic, we had some system to gather them from there to hta[16:11:43] <PulkoMandy> which then looks only the left part of the file to detect changes[16:12:48] <RQ> PulkoMandy: i'm not asking for another format, just for another file[16:13:01] <RQ> where are they at build-o-matic?[16:13:10] *** humdinger_afk has quit IRC[16:16:12] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[16:16:32] <RQ> PulkoMandy: ?[16:19:33] *** odites has quit IRC[16:26:16] *** ali3n0 has quit IRC[16:32:58] *** rss has joined #haiku[16:33:16] <rss> hi, does HaikuOS has firefox with java plugin?[16:33:40] <OmniMancer> no java yet no[16:33:47] <OmniMancer> also its haiku[16:33:51] <OmniMancer> no OS suffix[16:34:07] <rss> oh k[16:34:13] <rss> only Haiku[16:34:33] <rss> I need java with firefox critically :([16:35:28] <OmniMancer> port java then :P[16:35:43] <rss> well, if any developers are here a tip: you can't copy/paste text into java applets on linux! java doesn't communicate with the system clipboard[16:36:07] <rss> so get that functionality and you will be awesome than linux on that count[16:38:09] *** rss has quit IRC[16:38:26] <phoudoin> getting that functionality sounds like the easiest part of the task to port java under Haiku. But if we'll one day, be sure we will have this feature...[16:38:31] <HeTo> works fine for me, Konqueror and Java 1.6.0_20-b02 on Debian squeeze[16:41:38] *** Duggan has quit IRC[16:42:54] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[16:43:31] <Lelldorin1> re[16:47:19] *** raichoo has joined #haiku[16:48:02] <lorglas> cu[16:48:09] *** lorglas has quit IRC[16:57:28] *** Sir_Konrad has joined #haiku[16:58:43] *** OmniMancer1 has joined #haiku[17:00:06] *** RQ has quit IRC[17:01:16] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[17:01:20] *** Duggan has joined #haiku[17:02:53] *** Duggan2 has joined #haiku[17:03:29] *** Duggan has quit IRC[17:03:33] *** Duggan2 is now known as Duggan[17:03:47] *** helf has joined #haiku[17:09:01] <StreaK|ON> see ya[17:09:03] *** StreaK|ON has quit IRC[17:09:21] *** fwolff has left #haiku[17:11:44] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[17:12:06] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[17:12:10] *** Duggan has quit IRC[17:12:11] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[17:16:13] *** acous has joined #haiku[17:17:16] *** Duggan has joined #haiku[17:22:36] *** PulkoMandy_ has joined #haiku[17:22:51] *** Duggan has quit IRC[17:22:54] *** absabs has joined #haiku[17:23:12] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[17:23:12] *** PulkoMandy_ is now known as PulkoMandy[17:23:23] *** OmniMancer1 has quit IRC[17:23:24] *** Duggan has joined #haiku[17:29:48] *** Duggan2 has joined #haiku[17:30:20] <Duggan2> so, I'm trying to load a jpg with showimage but when I double click it, it says its trying to load it with netsurf (which it cant) even though with filetypes its set up to display in showimage[17:30:22] *** Duggan has quit IRC[17:30:22] <Duggan2> any ideas?[17:34:40] *** genki has quit IRC[17:39:21] *** Duggan2 has quit IRC[17:39:44] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[17:44:41] *** Duggan has joined #haiku[17:46:30] <Disreali> yay! quake3 for haiku works[17:47:16] <Duggan> sweet[17:47:51] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[17:47:58] <Disreali> now I just need a working excellerated radeon driver[17:48:01] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[17:48:19] *** waveshaper has quit IRC[17:49:21] *** acous has quit IRC[17:57:53] <Disreali> I'm using r37440. do I understand correctly that I need a new gcc 2 and 4 in order to build the current trunk?[18:05:06] *** acous has joined #haiku[18:09:52] <Duggan> gcc4 yes, not sure about gcc2[18:14:40] *** kurain__ has quit IRC[18:15:23] <Duggan> very intersting.... and humorous: http://echelog.matzon.dk/stats/haiku.html[18:16:12] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[18:17:32] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[18:23:03] *** jmayfield has quit IRC[18:24:20] *** GedMurphy has quit IRC[18:28:51] *** Trezker has joined #haiku[18:28:55] *** bubulein has joined #haiku[18:29:01] <bubulein> hi[18:31:47] *** wrinkliez has joined #haiku[18:32:23] *** sprma has joined #haiku[18:32:56] <Duggan> hi[18:33:49] <bubulein> what about development. are there currently working people onit?[18:34:11] <bubulein> haven touched haiku for a longtime. i was a beos user for years.[18:34:51] <Duggan> yep[18:35:08] <phoudoin> bubulein: defines "development"[18:35:10] <Duggan> just released R1A2 not long ago[18:35:13] <phoudoin> Tools? IDE?[18:35:28] *** jmayfield has joined #haiku[18:35:38] <bubulein> meed if there are currently someoe people who push the haiku-os[18:35:43] <bubulein> mean[18:36:51] <Duggan> yes, people are working on it[18:37:49] <bubulein> nice[18:38:09] <Duggan> and its just Haiku[18:38:21] <bubulein> i loved the beos. and i dont expect much from my desktopos. so i crrently give it a shot again[18:38:27] <Duggan> there is no "-os" at the end of it[18:38:36] <bubulein> ok[18:38:45] <Duggan> best of luck, hope you enjoy it :)[18:40:15] <bubulein> well, its still have the features i like. im a great fan of the look and feel[18:40:17] *** J-Ho has left #haiku[18:40:45] <bubulein> also include all apps i need for my daily work[18:41:58] <Duggan> there are still some applications that need to be developed[18:43:10] <bubulein> well, im a sysadmin adn only help developing fileserver[18:43:35] <bubulein> im more interrested in a usable desktop os - a desktop os who just work[18:44:44] *** iIngenu_ has quit IRC[18:46:00] *** Skipp_OSX has joined #haiku[18:46:50] <CIA-49> bonefish * r37538 /haiku/trunk/ (8 files in 5 dirs): (log message trimmed)[18:46:50] <CIA-49> Patch by Alex Wilson (minor changes by myself) related to the new archiving[18:46:50] <CIA-49> features:[18:46:50] <CIA-49> * Some cosmetic adjustments of the API, like using references instead of[18:46:50] <CIA-49> pointers, argument order, method names, etc.[18:46:50] <CIA-49> * Added convenience template methods for archiving and unarchiving to BArchiver[18:46:51] <CIA-49> and BUnarchiver.[18:47:26] *** megaf has quit IRC[18:48:11] *** absabs has left #haiku[18:49:29] *** wrinkliez has quit IRC[18:51:59] *** Andrius has quit IRC[18:55:49] *** bubulein has quit IRC[18:56:30] <Duggan> I don't get it... the postgresql license states that permission is granted to use copy modify and distribute without fee ... yet it does not explicitly forbid doing so for a fee either[18:58:30] *** kurain__ has joined #haiku[19:01:41] * Disreali is idle: BRB[19:03:20] *** odites has joined #haiku[19:04:00] <CIA-49> bonefish * r37539 /haiku/trunk/ (headers/os/interface/View.h src/kits/interface/View.cpp):[19:04:00] <CIA-49> Patch by Alex Wilson: Added archiving/unarchiving of layout and layout[19:04:01] <CIA-49> related data.[19:04:45] <luroh> woot, sidan uppe igen[19:04:56] <luroh> sorry, wrong window...[19:07:45] <phoudoin> no harm, we didn't understood one bit ;-)[19:08:35] <Duggan> lol[19:10:31] <luroh> ah great, that saves me from having to kill you all :)[19:11:01] <Duggan> would a dbms be beneficial for haiku?[19:15:59] <phoudoin> well, Web+ using WebKit, it uses sqllite already...[19:16:11] <phoudoin> But PostgreSQL is a must have.[19:16:53] <phoudoin> Should be easier to port now that Haiku have both socket = file descriptor and mmap() support than when we did it for BeOS...[19:17:08] <Skipp_OSX> has anyone tried to compile postgre on Haiku?[19:17:33] <phoudoin> I dunno. Last time I build it, it was under BeOS, long time ago[19:17:38] <Duggan> phoudoin I was just looking at postgresql[19:17:58] <Duggan> well theres a BSD port, that should make it somewhat easier I assume[19:18:04] <phoudoin> What Haiku needs, is a C++ API, like ODBC++.[19:18:53] <Skipp_OSX> phoudoin, do you mean like a db kit?[19:19:15] <Skipp_OSX> like perl DBD/DBI built into the OS type of thing?[19:20:22] <CIA-49> bonefish * r37540 /haiku/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs):[19:20:22] <CIA-49> Patch by Alex Wilson:[19:20:22] <CIA-49> * Added archiving/unarchiving support.[19:20:22] <CIA-49> * Style cleanup (also some by myself).[19:21:33] <phoudoin> Skipp_OSX: yep[19:21:40] <phoudoin> Latest beos port: http://www.bebits.com/app/2752[19:22:19] <phoudoin> Argh, link is broken. I miss Peter![19:25:05] <Duggan> hmmm[19:27:49] *** jmayfield has quit IRC[19:33:18] *** oZ] has quit IRC[19:33:28] *** hUMUNGUs has joined #haiku[19:33:32] *** oZ] has joined #haiku[19:39:11] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[19:40:38] <phoudoin> time to go home . See you later...[19:40:41] *** phoudoin has left #haiku[19:41:21] <Anarchos> where can i store a 32M file on internet ?[19:41:55] *** enygmata has joined #haiku[19:42:10] <oZ]> google docs?[19:42:19] <Anarchos> without an account ?[19:49:12] *** ko6yq-lt has joined #haiku[19:51:52] *** brechtm has joined #haiku[19:52:27] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[19:52:52] <ko6yq-lt> If anyone is interested in having a HaikuOS table at the Linux Picnic (open source community celebration), just say so. http://www.linuxpicnic.org/twiki/bin/view/Picnix19/Picnx19TableLayout[19:53:25] <ko6yq-lt> It was HaikuOS who gave us the idea to encourage Open Source groups to hold their meetings at the picnic.[19:53:36] *** _gringo has quit IRC[19:55:08] <PulkoMandy> it's Haiku, not HaikuOS[19:55:14] <ko6yq-lt> Sorry.[19:56:09] <Anarchos> ko6yq-lt could you just give the town ? I am interested, but in west of france, did your event take place near ?[19:56:29] <stpere> Sunnyvale[19:57:02] <Duggan> ko6yq-lt one second, I think I can get a link for you[19:57:13] <ko6yq-lt> This one is in Silicon Valley (California). But we may yet hear from people organizing other events around the world. We'll add links if we hear from them.[19:57:47] *** brechtm has left #haiku[19:58:42] *** Malmis has quit IRC[19:58:53] <ko6yq-lt> It's a random mix each year. Anyway, Haiku has had tables for developers there in recent years. And it helped get the word out to an Open Source crowd. Heard lots of positive reactions.[19:59:38] *** Duggan2 has joined #haiku[19:59:45] *** Duggan has quit IRC[19:59:51] <ko6yq-lt> Usually the only other site which has held a concurrent event with regularity is Washington DC. But we haven't heard their plans this year.[20:00:02] <Duggan2> deskbar just KDLed on me :/[20:00:19] *** brechtm has joined #haiku[20:00:27] *** {V} has quit IRC[20:01:38] <Duggan2> ko6yq-lt, I would say fill this out: http://www.haiku-os.org/node/add/conference except I don't know who the Haiku contact would be :/[20:02:52] <Duggan2> whats the link to the conference again?[20:02:54] *** Malmis has joined #haiku[20:02:55] <ko6yq-lt> It sounds like we'd need someone from within the Haiku community who wants to be the liaison/organizer for that. There isn't much to organize. But you should find a receptive Open Source audience here as you have before.[20:03:06] <ko6yq-lt> http://linuxpicnic.org/[20:03:52] <Duggan2> are you an organizer?[20:03:54] *** wildur has joined #haiku[20:04:18] *** Trezker has quit IRC[20:04:39] <ko6yq-lt> I'm one of the organizers. This year's coordinator is Venkat Venkataraju. Grant Bowman is our Online Community Manager. I'm a previous picnic coordinator helping them out.[20:04:51] *** Trezker has joined #haiku[20:05:57] *** enygmata has quit IRC[20:06:24] <Duggan2> I'm not an "official" Haiku team member but I'm a regular here, I'll take whatever information you have to give and pass it on to the powers that be, I'm certain someone would be interested in going... feel free to pm me with any details[20:07:14] <ko6yq-lt> OK, I'll send you my contact info off-channel[20:07:28] <Duggan2> alright, thank you[20:08:32] <CIA-49> bonefish * r37541 /haiku/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs):[20:08:32] <CIA-49> Patch by Alex Wilson (with small style changes by myself): Added support for[20:08:32] <CIA-49> archiving/unarchiving.[20:09:06] <mmadia> where specifically, ko6yq-lt ? san jose or ...?[20:09:14] <ko6yq-lt> Like I said earlier, the idea to encourage more Open Source groups to have their own event within the larger picnic came from Haiku's request a few years ago.[20:09:29] <ko6yq-lt> Sunnyvale Baylands Park in Sunnyvale, CA - it's near San Jose[20:09:40] <ko6yq-lt> I'm in San Jose myself[20:09:50] <Duggan2> ah hey mmadia, ko6yq-lt talk to him :)[20:10:04] <mmadia> <-- dirty jersey[20:10:10] <Duggan2> oh yeah I forgot :/[20:10:19] <Duggan2> well, you'd probably be better to pass the info on than me[20:14:54] <ko6yq-lt> thanks mmadia - gave me the e-mail address for one of the California participants[20:17:40] *** RISC_ has joined #haiku[20:20:00] <Duggan2> good :)[20:21:07] <mmadia> what's the dates of the event, ko6yq-lt ?[20:22:34] *** Skipp_OSX has quit IRC[20:25:29] *** odites has quit IRC[20:27:07] *** genkie has joined #haiku[20:31:44] *** johnny_b has joined #haiku[20:44:10] *** handheldcar has joined #haiku[20:46:50] *** acous has quit IRC[20:49:03] *** bubsy has quit IRC[20:51:34] <ko6yq-lt> mmadia: the picnic is Saturday, August 21[20:52:17] <mmadia> thanks, the site was down for a bit.[20:52:35] *** _gringo has joined #haiku[20:53:07] *** genkie has quit IRC[20:56:12] <RISC_> PulkoMandy: any photos from RMLL?[20:58:28] <PulkoMandy> not from me[21:01:22] <ko6yq-lt> mmadia: yeah, some spammers were overloading the mail server on the machine.[21:02:07] *** Trezker has quit IRC[21:02:27] <RISC_> mmadia: Where photos from past events? On previous site version they were here: http://www.haiku-os.org/about/gallery. I talking about this photos: http://picasaweb.google.com/haiku.inc[21:02:39] *** _gringo has quit IRC[21:02:40] *** Trezker has joined #haiku[21:03:10] <mmadia> honestly, since the website upgrade back in september, most of the website is a mystery to me.[21:03:42] <mmadia> new content types, others un-explainably marked 'obsolete', ....[21:04:32] <RISC_> ...[21:06:35] <mmadia> maybe http://www.haiku-os.org/gallery ?[21:07:26] <RISC_> wow, maybe add this link in the menu section here: http://www.haiku-os.org/about ?[21:08:50] <mmadia> done.[21:10:07] *** kurain__ has quit IRC[21:13:07] <RISC_> Don't see any changes. o_O[21:13:51] *** Ziusudra has joined #haiku[21:18:25] *** wildur has quit IRC[21:18:37] <RISC_> It present only if I go to the Project History, Haiku inc. and Trademark Policy sections[21:19:19] <mmadia> are you logged in? there may be a 15minute delay for anonymous browsing.[21:19:50] <RISC_> yes, i'm logged in[21:19:54] *** Beyecixramd has quit IRC[21:23:42] *** bubsy has joined #haiku[21:27:03] *** Geoz has joined #haiku[21:30:51] *** Trezker has quit IRC[21:33:28] *** Trezker has joined #haiku[21:33:54] *** oco has joined #haiku[21:35:52] *** tqh has joined #haiku[21:38:45] <mmadia> i'll look into it in a few minutes, RISC_.[21:39:59] *** cpr420 has quit IRC[21:41:28] *** Andrius has joined #haiku[21:42:36] *** cpr420 has joined #haiku[21:58:11] *** Nom4d3 has quit IRC[22:04:58] *** jrepan has quit IRC[22:06:06] *** impy has quit IRC[22:08:13] *** StreaK|ON has joined #haiku[22:08:31] <StreaK|ON> re[22:14:01] <mmadia> RISC_ : ok, it should be fixed for real this time.[22:18:40] <Ziusudra> yeah, it's there now for me[22:18:44] <Anarchos> which lib may i link against to in order to have _setjmp in my executable ?[22:20:39] <cpr420> Anarchos: you have to "#define _setjmp setjmp"[22:21:07] <Anarchos> i found "extern int _setjmp(jmp_buf jumpBuffer);" in posix/setjmp.h[22:21:27] *** bubsy has quit IRC[22:23:10] *** bubsy has joined #haiku[22:24:30] <Anarchos> cpr420 do you where it is defined ? i can't find it in any lib[22:24:56] <cpr420> there is no _setjmp, setjmp is in libroot which is implicitly linked[22:25:45] <Anarchos> cpr420 ok thanks[22:31:32] <Duggan2> try as I might, I really can't figure out how to use icon-o-matic :/[22:32:59] *** _gringo has joined #haiku[22:33:35] *** tqh has quit IRC[22:33:56] <Anarchos> Duggan2 just drag and drop a bitmap in it :)[22:34:36] *** Duggan2 is now known as Duggan[22:34:51] <Duggan> forgot about that[22:35:27] <Duggan> erm yeah but how do I like..... make an HVIF with it?[22:39:17] <cpr420> there is an old(and really basic) video about it @ http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2008513940874112547#[22:41:18] <cpr420> there's also the userguide http://www.haiku-os.org/docs/userguide/en/applications/icon-o-matic.html[22:48:42] <RISC_> mmadia: thanks, now it's there[22:50:26] <ko6yq-lt> Hey guys - thanks for the help. I got in touch with scottmc. He'll handle the Haiku table at the Linux Picnic on Aug 21 in Sunnyvale.[22:50:40] <ko6yq-lt> keep in touch![22:50:44] *** ko6yq-lt has left #haiku[22:51:44] <Duggan> thanks cpr420, I know about the video but can't watch it :/ I thought there was a document somewhere but searching didn't seem to find it[22:52:31] *** Alam_Squeeze has quit IRC[22:58:56] *** oZ] has quit IRC[22:59:02] *** Ingenu has joined #haiku[23:00:46] *** saivert has quit IRC[23:02:17] *** saivert has joined #haiku[23:10:55] *** jmayfield has joined #haiku[23:11:26] *** Beyecixramd has joined #haiku[23:14:19] <mmadia> $3,000 raised in 42 hours![23:15:19] <Duggan> ? for what?[23:15:25] <mmadia> http://www.haiku-os.org/news/2010-07-14_opportunity_pay_axel_code_haiku[23:15:58] <RISC_> wow[23:15:59] <RISC_> 42hours, over $3,000[23:16:03] <RISC_> already[23:16:52] <RISC_> that's great[23:17:24] <mmadia> it's frakking fantasic :D[23:18:03] <Duggan> funny, I haven't even seen that[23:18:18] <Duggan> pretty good though :)[23:18:58] <handheldcar> congrats, that's great news[23:19:08] <RISC_> This money Haiku inc. may use in future for employ Axel one more time.[23:19:10] <RISC_> ;-)[23:20:50] <Duggan> thats 214 hours, or: over 26 days @ 8 hours/day[23:21:01] *** StreaK|ON has quit IRC[23:21:01] <Duggan> thats pretty good :)[23:21:01] * handheldcar never saw a contracting fundraiser, likes the pragmatism.[23:21:44] <mmadia> WebPositive was developed under a contract too.[23:22:08] <RISC_> twice[23:22:24] <RISC_> IIRC[23:22:31] <mmadia> yep.[23:22:32] <Duggan> I wish I knew enough about something to contract :/ I could use a job right now and Haiku would be a good one :)[23:23:09] *** mrsun_ has quit IRC[23:23:15] <kallisti5> mmadia: 3,000 now?[23:23:18] <kallisti5> wow[23:25:03] <RISC_> http://www.haiku-os.org/blog/lucian/2010-07-16_lklhaikufs_features_galore[23:26:15] <kallisti5> OMG, <3 jackburton![23:26:19] <kallisti5> r37535[23:26:28] <kallisti5> "Add a menufield to select color combinations, and add obvious[23:26:32] <kallisti5> "white on black" and "black on white"."[23:26:36] <kallisti5> in terminal[23:26:48] <jmayfield> jackoni burtonini[23:27:06] <kallisti5> every time i reinstall Haiku I have to reverse the color sliders by hand[23:27:33] *** andreas_dr has joined #haiku[23:29:12] *** acous has joined #haiku[23:29:24] <jmayfield> italians should have italian names, goddamnit[23:29:34] <kallisti5> +1[23:30:05] <cpr420> he does have an italian name, i believe that's a nick[23:30:15] <jmayfield> a nick is a name[23:30:34] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[23:31:26] <kallisti5> haha.. anyone else see that the New york times started their 'pay to get news' system?[23:31:33] *** helf|laptop has joined #haiku[23:31:48] <jmayfield> hi helf|laptop[23:31:58] * jmayfield eats a brownie[23:34:22] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[23:34:22] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[23:35:11] <luroh> kallisti5: you mean the paywall for the online edition?[23:35:30] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[23:35:36] <kallisti5> luroh: yeah, ./ linked to a ny times article and it wanted registeration[23:35:38] *** RQ has joined #haiku[23:35:53] <luroh> yeah, they've had that up for quite some time[23:36:29] <kallisti5> hm. guess I just never look at the ny times then :) as soon as I saw it i really wasn't compelled to register/pay for it[23:36:41] <kallisti5> i just went to the bbc :)[23:37:00] <luroh> they say you can spoof your user agent to circumvent it, but i wouldn't know *cough*[23:37:05] <kallisti5> lol[23:37:18] <kallisti5> eh.. even thats too much trouble[23:37:29] <luroh> yeah i agree[23:37:33] <kallisti5> there are tons of other good news sources[23:37:47] <kallisti5> cnn,bbc,news.google.com, etc[23:38:15] <kallisti5> too bad for paper-only news companies... but at least things like cnn have tv adverts[23:38:29] <kallisti5> i see paper news dying... even if they try to charge for it[23:38:39] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[23:38:56] <luroh> some papers will have trouble surviving for sure[23:42:51] <jmayfield> moving paper around is kinda lame[23:43:09] <jmayfield> all those "but i like to hold my news" people need to grow up[23:43:35] <kallisti5> lol[23:45:44] <RISC_> see are all[23:45:50] * RISC_ going sleep[23:46:04] *** RISC_ has quit IRC[23:50:42] *** RQ has quit IRC[23:53:02] *** JoeyA has joined #haiku[23:55:20] *** veve-mao has joined #haiku