July 15, 2010 
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July 15, 2010 [00:00:34] <Anarchos> wuffi600 i hoped to run beos on an ultrasparc, kind of a dream....[00:00:50] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[00:00:58] <PulkoMandy> haiku could run... do you have hardware to donate ? :)[00:01:38] <wuffi600> Anarchos, why would you run on sparc?[00:01:59] <Anarchos> wuffi600 because sparc is a much cleaner architecture than x86[00:02:06] *** Mixer has quit IRC[00:02:17] <Anarchos> Pulkomandy you can find some on ebay, near a chip price[00:02:20] <impy> so is every risc arch[00:02:22] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[00:02:24] <PulkoMandy> about everything is cleanr than x86[00:02:36] <PulkoMandy> except perhaps the Apollo system used in moon missions[00:02:44] <PulkoMandy> (it has an instruction no one knows what it does)[00:03:04] <wuffi600> Anarchos, the target for beos/haiku is the desktop, isn't it?[00:03:45] <Anarchos> wuffi600 i think the difference between desktop and workstation is not really one[00:08:18] <wuffi600> Anarchos, the token "workstation" often refers to a machine designed to run comuting-applications locally instead of running it remotely on a server-machine. Is this what you think of?[00:08:22] *** Mixer has quit IRC[00:08:38] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[00:09:16] *** wildur has quit IRC[00:12:09] <PulkoMandy> that's it[00:12:31] <PulkoMandy> a concept that existed only in a time where microcomputres were considered as toys and not suitable for use at work[00:12:39] <PulkoMandy> the PC ended up blending it all together[00:13:12] <PulkoMandy> basically, desktop computing is anything with a screen and keyboard/mouse plugged to it[00:13:44] <mmadia> so, would the iPad with the keyboard adapter count? :P[00:14:48] <wuffi600> The strength of Beos/haiku is a desktop/notebook/mobile use, i think. Servers can be run with whatever unixish os offering a terminal.[00:16:41] *** Mixer has quit IRC[00:17:11] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[00:17:58] <wuffi600> i can not see any need for haiku running on sparc. low powerconsumting devices like the current arm-mainboards or maybe atom-PCs...[00:18:13] <wuffi600> are powerfull enough.[00:20:40] <wuffi600> Could you tell me about the licences haiku is released with? in the FAQ i've read about most parts of the could being under MIT Licence. What kind of MIT Licence is meant here?[00:22:29] <mmadia> wuffi600 : it's easiest to run Haiku and look at AboutSystem.[00:22:44] <brechtm> goodnight folks[00:23:00] *** brechtm has left #haiku[00:23:12] *** Mixer has quit IRC[00:23:31] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[00:24:55] <wuffi600> does beos come with a package-management? (if i remeber correctly in beos there was softwarewallet using extraattibuted uzip-archives. What is these days?)[00:26:44] <wuffi600> are there plans for a haiku-packagemanagement? something like dpkg ?[00:27:48] <Anarchos> wuffi600 not for R1 , for R2 i hope so[00:28:01] <mmadia> http://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/PackageManagerIdeas , http://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/PackageFormat[00:28:24] <mmadia> there's plans to develop a PackageFS[00:29:32] *** Mixer has quit IRC[00:30:03] <wuffi600> are there any devirates of haiku-os?[00:30:12] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[00:31:01] <mmadia> Senryu on haikuware is a 'distribution' of Haiku. i'm not sure if it's updated anymore though.[00:31:02] <wuffi600> i've read about haiku inc holding many copyrights about the haiku os. Are devirates possible?[00:31:29] <mmadia> if you remove the trademarks, you can do anything you want with the code.[00:32:06] <wuffi600> so i could make a "debian GNU/haiku" out of it?[00:32:10] <mmadia> at the moment, the current trademark policy is very limited : http://www.haiku-os.org/about/trademark_policy[00:32:39] *** Shisui has quit IRC[00:32:40] <mmadia> yes and no. the word 'haiku' and the haiku logos are our trademarks.[00:33:53] <mmadia> also, distributions are *strongly* discouraged and it's preferred to work with us.[00:34:08] <wuffi600> mmadia, if i change the name (as from firefox to iceweasel) and design my own logos...[00:34:52] <mmadia> then yes. but it still isn't encouraged.[00:35:17] <wuffi600> mmadia, btw i do not plan to forge haiku and build another distribution out of it. and of course make a "debian GNU/haiku" would not really make sense?[00:35:33] <mmadia> the source code is still alpha and many, many changes are going on that break functionality from revision to revision.[00:36:12] *** Mixer has quit IRC[00:36:22] <wuffi600> is there a reference-platform of hardware where haiku runs best?[00:36:29] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[00:36:43] <mmadia> not really.[00:40:04] <wuffi600> i remeber it being 5 years of work to get openoffice with a native aqua gui. are there any larger apps running with the haiku-kits?[00:41:17] <Anarchos> wuffi600 Gobe Productive :)[00:41:29] <wuffi600> sure :))[00:42:30] *** Mixer has quit IRC[00:44:28] <wuffi600> i know this is a not so liked question ... what's the status about running oo on haiku?[00:45:10] *** pgr has joined #haiku[00:45:40] <dru345> there is no status. no one has attempted a port.[00:45:53] *** pgr has left #haiku[00:46:40] <PulkoMandy> thinkpad t60 is the de facto reference hardware[00:46:45] <PulkoMandy> (most devs use it)[00:47:06] <PulkoMandy> there is a very early try to port OOoLight, but it's not very farright now[00:47:41] <PulkoMandy> and someone is playing with Haiku right now to package something using Arch Linux package manager to get some kind of distro[00:48:00] <PulkoMandy> breaking compatibility with haiku, however, but the project looks interesting[00:48:04] <dru345> not familiar with OOoLight[00:48:45] <PulkoMandy> it's smaller than the official OOo, most notably they removed all the java stuff[00:49:28] <dru345> do you have a link?[00:50:52] <PulkoMandy> http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/Main_Page[00:51:29] <dru345> ty[00:52:11] <Hubert_> no no no[00:52:13] <Hubert_> noooooooo[00:52:37] <dru345> yes Hubert_?[00:52:51] <Hubert_> OOoLight leave for AmigaOS 4.1[00:53:20] <Hubert_> we lets OO.org[00:54:19] <wuffi600> PulkoMandy, OOo would be definitively a must to port ... haiku's target is the desktop and there you need the defacto standard office suite if we like to catch the non-it-professional users.[00:54:57] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[00:55:15] <Hubert_> * ahh, sorry *OO.org for Kids[00:55:44] <dru345> i say start porting :)[00:56:30] <CIA-49> bonefish * r37521 /buildtools/trunk/gcc/gcc/ (config/i386/haiku64.h config/i386/t-haiku64 config.gcc): Patch by Nathan Mentley: Fixed multilib generation for x86-64.[00:57:18] <PulkoMandy> yes, an office suite is needed[00:57:23] *** OmniMancer1 has quit IRC[00:57:38] <PulkoMandy> not sure we want OO, if we can read/write in the same format it's not a problem[00:57:49] <Anarchos> PulkoMandy i was so sad to see a gobe 3 for linux and not beos ...[00:58:14] *** niark has quit IRC[00:58:22] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[00:58:25] <dru345> indeed but gobe3 never got out of beta on linux i think?[00:58:52] <Anarchos> dru345 i don't remember[00:59:42] *** bubsy_ has joined #haiku[01:00:16] *** bubsy has quit IRC[01:00:19] <wuffi600> OOo is the only office suite that comes quite featurerich and quite compatible with msoffice. if there are conly toys like abiword or gnumeric on haiku no non-it-professional will use haiku...[01:01:10] <CIA-49> bonefish * r37522 /haiku/trunk/build/scripts/build_cross_tools_gcc4: Patch by Nathan Mentley: Build the x86-64 build tools with multilib support.[01:01:14] *** jvff has quit IRC[01:01:58] <dru345> google search tells gobe never left pre-release on linux[01:02:30] <PulkoMandy> I don't need all this, I use LaTeX[01:03:31] *** kitallis has quit IRC[01:04:22] *** Mixer has quit IRC[01:04:51] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[01:07:05] <Hubert_> beta Gobe 3 propably wil be for BeOS PPC[01:08:19] <wuffi600> PulkoMandy, unfortunately the concepts of thinking behind latex are not compatible with todays rushing businessworld. I've loved latex to automately generate documents as snapshot out of data that's always changing. A typical use in this way is generating always up-to-date brochures in event management. e.g. when managinig a huge expo or so.[01:08:53] <Hubert_> *was for[01:09:04] <OmniMancer> not to mention latex doesn't do spreadsheets :P[01:09:16] <PulkoMandy> its atext format I can use in subversion or similar tools[01:09:35] <PulkoMandy> I just hate having to merge different versions of an open office document[01:10:57] <wuffi600> OmniMancer, slides are possible but very unhandy to create. With slides to need for WYSIWYG is more obvious than when writing floating text.[01:13:00] <wuffi600> PulkoMandy, ooo is far from being completed. So now it's worse than MS Office in most points of view. But i think OOo will take the lead in quality and acceptance in a few years.[01:14:51] <OmniMancer> unfortunately several features use java :([01:14:56] *** Mixer has quit IRC[01:15:33] *** Sir_Konrad has quit IRC[01:15:38] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[01:16:06] <wuffi600> could you drop a few lines about the haiku-firefox port. Are there any problems with it? Do plugins work (like noscript, adblockplus, downthemall, ...)?[01:16:18] *** jvff has joined #haiku[01:16:50] <PulkoMandy> we're still using firefox2[01:16:53] <dru345> what haiku firefox port?[01:17:01] <PulkoMandy> other than that the plugin doeswork[01:17:01] <dru345> oh yeah bezilla browser :P[01:17:24] <dru345> available via terminal: installoptionalpackage bezillabrowser[01:17:37] <dru345> but we're moving to native webkit browser :D[01:18:02] <dru345> webpositive[01:18:08] <dru345> it's default now[01:18:36] <dru345> it still needs plugin support however.[01:20:01] <OmniMancer> it should steal chromes addon stuff :PO[01:20:41] <dru345> what's OmniMancer working on now that clang is success?[01:20:46] <wuffi600> dru345, what pages can you view with netpositive? is the quality of netpositive like a current chromium or more like a android stockbrowser.[01:20:58] <Hubert_> wuffi600: what fight?[01:21:01] *** Ziusudra has joined #haiku[01:21:17] <dru345> netpositive is more like chromium[01:21:22] <Hubert_> wuffi600: for a free Mondays?[01:22:47] <OmniMancer> webpositive still has some kinks[01:23:00] <dru345> yup[01:23:13] <OmniMancer> in the future I would kind of like to see it use the chromium renderer but that requires certain things to happen that will be a while[01:23:37] *** jvff has quit IRC[01:23:43] *** Mixer has quit IRC[01:23:57] <dru345> why the chromium renderer OmniMancer?[01:24:06] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[01:24:56] <wuffi600> where can i traxck latest ports? is there haikubits.org or something like taht?[01:25:06] *** jvff has joined #haiku[01:25:17] *** Sir_Konrad has joined #haiku[01:26:24] <wuffi600> haikuware.com[01:26:27] <wuffi600> nice.[01:26:34] <Xeon3D> heh[01:26:38] <Ziusudra> http://haikuware.com/ http://ports.haiku-files.org/[01:26:40] <OmniMancer> haikuware.com won't have "latest ports" as you call it[01:26:57] <Ziusudra> http://dev.osdrawer.net/[01:27:03] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[01:27:04] <Xeon3D> hey Ziusudra[01:27:21] <dru345> hi Xeon3D[01:27:21] <Ziusudra> hi Xeon3D & #haiku[01:27:28] <dru345> hello Ziusudra[01:27:33] <OmniMancer> dru345: using a generic vector drawing lib for the rendering is in my mind cleaner than hooks provided by the OS for each port of webkit...[01:27:34] <Xeon3D> hey dru345[01:27:44] <wuffi600> all. Let me say big Thanx to you. Thank you for answering my questions. Very nice of you.[01:27:59] <Xeon3D> =)[01:28:11] <OmniMancer> dru345: also clang is far from a success :P[01:28:14] <dru345> but OmniMancer it's not... native. nor written in Falcon. :P[01:28:51] <dru345> clang worked for me though I didn't build haiku with it :P[01:29:20] <dru345> keep at it Omni :)[01:29:52] <wuffi600> is there a relation between haiku and zeta?[01:30:06] *** Mixer has quit IRC[01:30:15] <dru345> no. haiku is better. :D[01:30:38] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[01:30:59] <OmniMancer> zeta was some kind of direct usage of the BeOS codebase[01:31:21] <OmniMancer> haiku is a complete rewrite of everything that tries to learn from BeOS and improve upon it[01:32:04] <wuffi600> was the codebase licensed by zeta or is it legally grey?[01:32:55] <OmniMancer> I don't know exactly[01:33:03] <OmniMancer> but I think its some mixture of the two[01:33:27] <Ziusudra> that's the impression I've got[01:33:28] <dru345> zeta, i believe, is shut down because of legal issues.[01:34:17] <OmniMancer> yea... something happened[01:34:34] <OmniMancer> I was not involved with zeta so I don't know first hand anything :P[01:36:40] *** Mixer has quit IRC[01:36:43] <Xeon3D> IIRC, Zeta-guys were saying that Be licensed it to them pre-sale to Palm, and Access was saying that they didn't license anything to them...[01:36:53] <PulkoMandy> I heard they had acontract with Be right before they went down, but the contract waslost when moving to palm then palmsource then access[01:36:54] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[01:37:58] <OmniMancer> legally grey[01:38:24] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[01:39:28] <Xeon3D> someone should ask JLG[01:40:12] <dru345> zeta looked ugly :)[01:40:16] <dru345> Haiku is better[01:40:34] <Xeon3D> true.[01:40:42] <Xeon3D> Zeta was a bit too germanish for my tastes.[01:41:05] <dru345> not sure what that means lol[01:41:25] <wuffi600> zeta lost the oxtraordinary good beos design...[01:42:19] *** oco has quit IRC[01:42:21] <wuffi600> I will try out everything possible with haiku alpha2 and the packages i can get for it in the next few weeks. My impression is that haiku really has changes to get useful and popular more and more. Working on a computer consumpts maybe a sixth of personal lifetime so it should be a pleasure. With haiku is could be one.[01:42:39] <wuffi600> thank you again. cu again.[01:42:42] <wuffi600> good n8[01:42:48] <dru345> 'night wuffi600[01:43:04] <Xeon3D> night wuffi600[01:43:14] <OmniMancer> night wuffi600[01:43:33] * wuffi600 : zzzzzzZZ zzzzzzZZ[01:43:35] *** wuffi600 has left #haiku[01:43:40] <OmniMancer> I like playing games so I will have to have windows hiding somewhere always :P[01:45:05] <Xeon3D> I rarely play games.. other than some roms nowadays[01:45:12] <Xeon3D> My Wowtard days are behind me.[01:45:27] <OmniMancer> I don't play wow[01:45:39] <OmniMancer> doing nothing is more stimulating than that game :/[01:45:42] <Xeon3D> I did, that was the only PC game I used to play.[01:46:01] <OmniMancer> sitting here talking to you guys is better than WoW[01:46:54] *** Duggan has joined #haiku[01:47:04] *** Mixer has quit IRC[01:47:12] <Xeon3D> OmniMancer: but have you played it?[01:50:27] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[01:52:55] *** Beyecixramd has quit IRC[01:53:01] *** Beyecixramd has joined #haiku[01:55:03] *** jvff has quit IRC[01:55:06] *** Hubert_ has quit IRC[02:01:28] *** OlaHughson has quit IRC[02:01:35] *** kmargar has joined #haiku[02:02:09] *** markos_ has quit IRC[02:03:55] *** Andrius has quit IRC[02:11:53] *** jvff has joined #haiku[02:13:28] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[02:18:00] *** LeandroLuiz has joined #haiku[02:23:01] *** stroh has quit IRC[02:25:08] <l_n> who was wuffi600?[02:27:36] *** Mixer has quit IRC[02:27:56] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[02:31:25] *** acous has joined #haiku[02:31:41] *** AlexFera has quit IRC[02:35:12] <dru345> new haiku user l_n[02:35:19] <dru345> far as i know :D[02:35:50] <l_n> still working on tron[02:36:15] <l_n> it fails at 'make install' of all places....[02:36:40] <dru345> lol[02:36:50] * Xeon3D points l_n in abiwords direction.[02:37:37] <Xeon3D> argh[02:37:41] * l_n emails Xeon3D the abiword source.[02:37:41] <Xeon3D> this znc is driving me nuts :D[02:38:06] <Xeon3D> won't do much :D[02:38:29] <dru345> znc?[02:38:32] <Xeon3D> a blonde girl would port it faster than me.[02:38:37] <Xeon3D> dru345: the irc bouncer[02:39:59] *** Mixer has quit IRC[02:40:15] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[02:40:23] <Xeon3D> it's setting me as away even tho I just typed something.[02:40:36] <dru345> nice[02:43:30] *** jmayfield has joined #haiku[02:44:13] <jmayfield> woo[02:44:23] <Xeon3D> hey jmayfield[02:44:48] <jmayfield> macbooks are sooo much more useful after you install linux..[02:45:45] <jmayfield> hi Xeon3D[02:45:56] <l_n> no haiku? or is it a pre-x86 macbook?[02:46:01] *** jvff has quit IRC[02:46:08] <dru345> nary a thing useful about linux ;)[02:46:14] <jmayfield> its a moacjine for work.. heh[02:46:16] *** Mixer has quit IRC[02:46:32] <dru345> I wish he'd stop changing servers :([02:46:45] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[02:47:03] <Xeon3D> l_n: there is no such thing as a pre-x86 macbook.[02:47:05] <l_n> dru345: /ignore or turn off join/part[02:47:08] <jmayfield> dru345, i find osx to be, well, it makes everything slightly yet annoyingly dumb[02:47:32] <l_n> Xeon3D: i don't belong to the Cult of Jobs, so i have no idea what they call their overpriced pc's.[02:47:52] <Xeon3D> neither am I (at least not anymore).[02:47:54] * dru345 rolls eyes[02:47:59] *** _gringo has quit IRC[02:48:05] <dru345> turning off join/part would be overkill :P[02:48:08] <Xeon3D> (they were called ibooks & powerbooks)[02:48:11] <jmayfield> l_n, hardware wide, the macbook pro is pretty sweet[02:48:23] <Xeon3D> dru345: an /ignore Mixer!* at * dot * is easier.[02:48:32] <Xeon3D> don't know if Vision supports it tho.[02:48:33] <Xeon3D> :D[02:48:57] <dru345> we'll see in 13 min :P[02:49:00] * l_n once banned an entire subnet from a channel due to one person's behaviour (and ip-jumping)[02:49:43] <Xeon3D> still, I have yet to find a reasonable motive for him/her/it to be swapping servers every 15m[02:49:48] <dru345> I didn't notice it until someone remarked to me and now i can't not see it :P[02:50:01] * Xeon3D hides.[02:50:05] <dru345> lol[02:50:21] <dru345> was someone else Xeon3D[02:50:31] <Xeon3D> dru345: http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2008/6/20/633495987683532308-what-has-been-seen.jpg[02:50:36] <Xeon3D> oh[02:50:51] <dru345> lol yes. (love cats) :D[02:52:03] <l_n> how can you miss adding #include <sys/select.h> to *released* source?[02:52:46] *** Mixer has quit IRC[02:53:07] <dru345> and yes I still see it Xeon3D :P[02:53:16] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[02:54:15] <Xeon3D> sadly, so do I[02:54:32] <Ziusudra> though Vision seems to recognize the /ignore as it doesn't pass it to the server...[02:55:13] <Xeon3D> Ziusudra: well it'll still show the joins and parts on X-Chat as well :/[02:59:15] *** Mixer has quit IRC[02:59:47] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[03:06:04] *** jvff has joined #haiku[03:11:47] *** Mixer has quit IRC[03:12:03] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[03:23:28] <Xeon3D> Ziusudra: as stated by AnEvilYak, Vision has no /ignore support.[03:23:48] *** jmelesky has quit IRC[03:24:30] *** mmadia has quit IRC[03:25:51] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[03:28:04] *** Mixer has quit IRC[03:28:28] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[03:36:30] *** handheldcar has joined #haiku[03:38:05] <l_n> hrm. BGLRenderer crashes aramagetronad with a segfault[03:38:16] <handheldcar> Has anybody had trouble booting from the CDs? I burned both kinds, and both started up to a tiny band of colors in the top left. It's an old CD-RW, computer and monitor, and I was thinking about trying a much newer CD-RW tomorrow.[03:40:44] <mmadia> handheldcar : sounds like a hardware issue.[03:40:47] <mmadia> http://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/ReportingBugs[03:42:36] *** Sir_Konrad has quit IRC[03:46:31] *** Mixer has quit IRC[03:47:12] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[03:50:19] *** ambroff has quit IRC[03:52:11] *** l_n has quit IRC[03:54:22] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[03:56:22] *** Barrett has quit IRC[03:56:57] *** jmayfield has quit IRC[03:57:17] *** Mixer has quit IRC[03:57:55] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[03:58:30] *** judgen has joined #haiku[03:59:25] *** judgen has quit IRC[04:01:08] *** l_n has joined #haiku[04:01:10] *** l_n has joined #haiku[04:01:59] <l_n> well.. armagetron segfaults on gcc2h due to bglrenderer... it initializes on gcc4h, but only gets to the inital small window that sdl/opengl apps open[04:02:09] <l_n> and then hangs with no messages/changes.[04:02:30] <OmniMancer> :/[04:03:55] *** Mixer has quit IRC[04:04:03] <l_n> i built it on gcc2hybrid.. possibly with gcc2.. so i'll try building on gcc4h[04:04:27] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[04:05:21] * l_n can't remember which gcc he set as active on the gcc2h sd-card he has[04:09:00] *** jmayfield has joined #haiku[04:09:26] <l_n> hello, again, jmayfield[04:09:38] *** youngblkfamous has joined #haiku[04:09:49] <Ziusudra> hi youngblkfamous[04:09:52] <youngblkfamous> hey hows it going[04:10:26] * l_n mumbles something about armagetron and /dev/null[04:10:28] *** Mixer has quit IRC[04:10:55] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[04:11:48] <youngblkfamous> ipv6 ![04:12:16] * l_n just gave mixer a ctcp finger[04:12:50] <youngblkfamous> hows our opperating system doing?[04:13:30] <mmadia> l_n : you can run just `setgcc` to find out the current gcc.[04:15:02] <l_n> mmadia: i've already rebooted.[04:15:18] <OmniMancer> alternatively just set it again to the one you want :P[04:16:55] *** Mixer has quit IRC[04:17:13] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[04:21:32] <CIA-49> mmadia * r37523 /haiku/trunk/build/jam/ (OptionalBuildFeatures OptionalPackages): (log message trimmed)[04:21:32] <CIA-49> Reworked the mandatory ICU package.[04:21:32] <CIA-49> * repackaged archive to not include directory path information[04:21:32] <CIA-49> * updated the jam rules so that the correct archive gets extracted to the[04:21:32] <CIA-49> correct directory[04:21:33] <CIA-49> Notes:[04:21:33] <CIA-49> * the .OptionalPackageDescription & specified license was not checked[04:27:14] *** Mixer has quit IRC[04:27:40] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[04:34:07] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[04:34:20] *** CyberKitsune has joined #haiku[04:34:32] <CyberKitsune> How well do USB network cards work on Haiku?[04:36:09] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[04:39:41] *** Mixer has quit IRC[04:39:44] *** handheldcar has left #haiku[04:40:00] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[04:40:39] <Ziusudra> no USB wifi, I think some USB wired nics work[04:41:07] *** Trezker has quit IRC[04:42:27] <CyberKitsune> I have a cell phone which supports tethering over USB[04:42:41] <CyberKitsune> on linux it appears as a USB network card (wired)[04:42:45] *** Trezker has joined #haiku[04:42:52] <CyberKitsune> windows it appears as some NIDS device[04:47:38] <OmniMancer> hmmm[04:48:00] <CyberKitsune> Here, I'll get exactly what windows calls it, hold on[04:48:06] *** Mixer has quit IRC[04:48:32] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[04:52:29] <CyberKitsune> http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/9821/phoneusb.png[04:52:39] <CyberKitsune> ^ What windows sees my phone's USB tether as[04:53:34] <Disreali> night[04:53:43] *** Disreali has quit IRC[04:53:50] <CyberKitsune> I need to use my phone as my home wireless has WPA, my wireless card works with haiku though[04:54:19] <CyberKitsune> or, my phone can make an ad-hoc network which haiku also doesn't support yet[04:58:36] *** Mixer has quit IRC[04:59:03] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[04:59:39] <l_n> someone should temporarily ban Mixer for spamming the channel with that 'changing servers' crap.[05:00:02] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmadia[05:00:13] *** mmadia sets mode: +b Mixer!*@*[05:00:25] <l_n> (btw, thanks whoever pointed that out...)[05:00:58] <mmadia> Mixer : once you fix your connection issues, please message anyone in the channel.[05:01:10] *** ChanServ sets mode: -o mmadia[05:01:32] <CyberKitsune> Ironically, Haiku can't find a Mixer at all in VMWare[05:01:39] <mmadia> ... a few people have been asking for it over the past days (or even weeks now)[05:01:43] <CyberKitsune> YOU BANNED THE MIXER :<[05:01:45] <CyberKitsune> lol[05:02:13] <mmadia> eh, i sent him a /query too. .. so, he should see the message.[05:02:41] <l_n> hrm. i wonder why this just locks up when trying to draw its screen..[05:05:03] *** Mixer has quit IRC[05:07:56] <Xeon3D> mmadia: yay! finally.[05:08:27] *** cpr420 has joined #haiku[05:08:58] <CyberKitsune> actaully[05:09:29] *** youngblkfamous has quit IRC[05:09:41] <CyberKitsune> I think (dont quote me on this) to make haiku work with ad/hoc or hidden ssid networks, just have it attempt to connect before scanning to see if it's there first[05:14:02] <OmniMancer> I don't think the network stack will let you do that[05:14:11] <OmniMancer> if you try to connect it initiates scanning[05:15:01] *** LeandroLuiz has quit IRC[05:17:41] *** Trezker has quit IRC[05:22:14] *** OmniMancer1 has joined #haiku[05:24:40] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[05:26:36] *** acous has quit IRC[05:41:42] *** Trezker has joined #haiku[05:52:16] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[05:53:36] *** Beyecixramd has quit IRC[05:53:57] *** OmniMancer1 has quit IRC[05:54:15] *** jvff has quit IRC[05:56:09] *** matthias9 has quit IRC[05:58:02] *** matthias9 has joined #haiku[06:05:30] <l_n> my sed-fu is lacking...[06:05:58] <mmadia> http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-sed1.html , part 2 & 3 have taught me well.[06:06:29] <l_n> i'll have to take a look at that.. i have o'reilly's "sed & awk"[06:06:56] <l_n> never finished it, though.. and regex's are one of those things that if you don't use them extensively, they flee your brain (or so it seems with me..)[06:08:57] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[06:09:06] *** JonathanThompson has joined #haiku[06:13:21] <CyberKitsune> can I install a newer build of haiku over an older one?[06:13:22] *** l_n has quit IRC[06:15:52] <dru345> you shouldn't.[06:15:58] <dru345> things can get weird[06:16:28] <CyberKitsune> I just HATE trying to migrate files through VMs[06:17:26] <dru345> yeah[06:18:18] *** jvff has joined #haiku[06:25:41] <Xeon3D> CyberKitsune: create a bash script that tar's the places / important files... :)[06:25:56] <Xeon3D> then you just need to extract it (and rerun it) whenever u update rev's.[06:27:02] <cpr420> zip would be better[06:29:51] *** CyberKitsune has quit IRC[06:46:49] <CIA-49> czeidler * r37524 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/app/ (7 files): Refactoring of the Window class. Move window behaviour into separate WindowBehaviour class.[06:54:34] * cpr420 needs a beer[06:55:51] <Ziusudra> tar.xz :)[06:56:15] <mmadia> zip supports BFS attributes.[06:56:21] <cpr420> I don't think tar has caught up in terms of xattrs[06:58:05] <cpr420> zip.xz ![06:59:36] *** kmargar is now known as markos_[07:05:20] *** [Katisu]_m has joined #haiku[07:06:55] *** [Katisu] has quit IRC[07:06:55] *** [Katisu]_m is now known as [Katisu][07:12:15] *** tm512 has quit IRC[07:12:47] *** VinDuv has joined #haiku[07:12:51] *** mmadia has quit IRC[07:13:52] *** tm512 has joined #haiku[07:20:36] <cpr420> DraX: Any thoughts on Veracity?[07:21:02] <DraX> Veracity?[07:21:12] <cpr420> http://www.ericsink.com/entries/veracity_early.html[07:22:26] <DraX> hm[07:22:35] <cpr420> Sounds like a mix of fossil/monotone/git/hg[07:23:06] <DraX> yeah nothing particularly special[07:23:17] <cpr420> The authors were making some interesting comments on the reddit page about future stuff though[07:23:32] <cpr420> like better binary file handling[07:24:02] <DraX> i do feel like if you want to do distributed bug tracking, trying to use files in a standard vcs is moronic[07:24:09] <DraX> and they seem to get that with their decentralized database idea[07:24:16] <DraX> though monotone somewhat has that and is god awful slow[07:24:31] <cpr420> i haven't tried monotone for several years now[07:25:46] <DraX> i know only of pidgin using it seriously[07:25:52] <DraX> and every time i've talked to their guys[07:25:55] <DraX> they _hate_ it[07:26:04] <DraX> it's just not production ready[07:26:13] <DraX> the web interface regularly corrupts it's repocopy[07:26:32] <cpr420> fossil does that on haiku :([07:27:25] <cpr420> I shouldn't say "corrupt", it wedges the database in an odd state[07:27:32] <DraX> fix it![07:27:48] <DraX> to be honest, i feel like dvcs is a solved problem[07:27:51] <DraX> and the solution is called git[07:28:00] * cpr420 restrains his laughter[07:28:42] <DraX> bug tracker on the other hand, they're all crap[07:28:50] <jmayfield> heh[07:29:11] <jmayfield> honestly, my best experience in that regard has been with trac[07:29:19] <DraX> jmayfield: you're demented[07:29:28] <DraX> trac is an _abysmally_ bad bug tracker[07:29:34] <jmayfield> why is that?[07:29:43] <DraX> it doesn't actually support any common workflows[07:29:55] <jmayfield> it doesnt?[07:31:28] <DraX> doesn't have a resolved/closed distinction, search is bad free-text search[07:32:21] <DraX> the wikitext trac uses is too aggressive about trying to link bugs/revisions[07:32:26] <DraX> so you end up with bogus stuff linked often[07:32:33] <DraX> the UI is hard to read[07:32:50] <jmayfield> never noticed any of that[07:33:34] <DraX> haiku trac actually has a semi-useable search, maybe that's new, but it's hidden under view tickets[07:33:37] * cpr420 hates searching for things on trac[07:33:37] <DraX> not under search[07:34:08] * dru345 would agree trac is not optimal for searching[07:34:29] <DraX> nor is jira mind you, it has pretty much just as bad search[07:34:54] <DraX> also, i find that it's prohibitivly difficult to add new fields, etc, without hacking a bunch of code[07:35:06] <DraX> i know i'm insane, but i love that gnats used RFC822[07:35:34] <DraX> you could add, and search on, arbitrary fields[07:35:39] <DraX> just with a text-editor[07:35:59] <DraX> actually, i never got why people hate gnats so much, aside from that the slowness[07:36:17] <cpr420> is it still in development?[07:36:27] <DraX> not as far as i know[07:36:41] <DraX> debbugs is more or less the philosophical successor[07:36:57] <DraX> though i like gnats more[07:37:21] <DraX> freebsd still uses gnats[07:37:23] <DraX> i think netbsd does too[07:37:58] <cpr420> ewww, debbugs is perl[07:38:10] <DraX> yeah, and debbugs is a lot more complicated[07:38:43] <DraX> gnats was really good about interface support, there was (read-only) web, command line, email, emacs interface[07:38:52] <DraX> and it was designed to make doing that easy[07:39:19] <cpr420> i've seen some awful rpc interfaces on some of the newer trackers[07:39:47] <DraX> yeah, they're all pretty bad[07:39:54] <DraX> jira's is particularly awful[07:40:00] <DraX> i was writing a cli tool for it for a while for work, but i gav eup[07:40:23] <DraX> oh, gnatsweb is gnats 4.x is read-write[07:41:28] <cpr420> looks like someone is trying to start it back up again[07:41:33] <DraX> i always thought that if someone built something with a simple backend liek gnats, except indexed, and threw a good web ui on top of it for the lusers, it would be quite popular[07:43:35] <DraX> for a bit i was working on something like that using emacs org-mode as the backend, but the org-mode api just wasn't quite good enough for some of the stuff i needed to be able to do, so i would have had to manipulate the org files by hand.[07:44:04] <DraX> using emacs in batch-mode was amusing :)[07:45:27] <cpr420> I wonder if the new compiler will be able to handle java now, I wouldn't mind jedit on haiku[07:45:45] <cpr420> and the new scala release with haiku bindings![07:57:36] *** Toekutr has joined #haiku[08:08:37] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[08:12:56] *** Toekutr has quit IRC[08:16:35] *** jamy has joined #haiku[08:18:39] <jamy> http://bel4ka.sourceforge.net/[08:19:33] <dru345> what is it?[08:19:59] <dru345> beos on L4?[08:20:07] <dru345> but... why?[08:22:12] <jamy> good question! :)[08:22:38] <jamy> becouse it better![08:24:01] <jamy> i mean it kernel[08:24:07] <dru345> yes L4[08:24:31] <dru345> I didn't realize anything was happening with L4 anymore.[08:26:41] <dru345> well feel free to port :)[08:27:18] <dru345> I really know nothing of haiku's kernel. there's not much information other than the source.[08:30:47] <jamy> i am to! But i little work with exokernel palmos[08:31:28] <CIA-49> scottmc * r916 /haikuports/trunk/dev-libs/icu/ (icu-4.4.1.bep patches/icu-4.4.1.patch): Fixed the prefix, and the patch so that icu now builds with gcc2 or gcc4[08:32:27] <jamy> Few explain. I do not aim to create an OS for end users. While developers haiku involved bringing the system to the needs of end users, I'm prepared for them as studies for conversion of the system at the core of L4.[08:36:28] <geist> l4 is quite active[08:36:47] <geist> i've had to deal with qualcomm a bunch, they run all of their stuff on L4[08:36:57] <geist> there are probably a couple billion cpus running L4 right this instant[08:39:48] <OmniMancer> :O[08:41:27] <jamy> its good news! probably qualcomm be something sponsoring[08:45:48] <geist> good news everyone![08:46:15] <jmayfield> oh?[08:46:40] <jamy> jmayfield: what?[08:47:42] <geist> i've fixed the poison slime pipes![08:49:56][08:51:02] <dru345> nice[08:55:35] <geist> yeah, you get it if you've seen it[09:03:11] *** GedMurphy has joined #haiku[09:06:16] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[09:06:44] *** bubsy_ is now known as bubsy[09:08:41] *** Nozy has joined #haiku[09:14:57] *** GedMurphy has quit IRC[09:17:59] *** Ola has joined #haiku[09:18:27] *** Ola is now known as Guest89260[09:19:18] *** Guest89260 is now known as OlaHughson[09:25:55] <CIA-49> jackburton * r37525 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/showimage/ShowImageApp.cpp: Fix warnings[09:26:28] *** Andrius has joined #haiku[09:29:49] <CIA-49> jackburton * r37526 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/app/ (ServerApp.cpp ServerApp.h):[09:29:49] <CIA-49> ServerApp::Quit() was hiding MessageLooper::Quit() due to the default[09:29:49] <CIA-49> paramenter, causing warnings when compiling with gcc4.[09:30:53] *** Andrius has quit IRC[09:32:17] *** wildur has joined #haiku[09:42:20] <jamy> who wants to help me? Need a website design, so to please beos users. 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I don't know :/[12:20:31] <mmu_screen> lorglas: why wouldn't it ?[12:20:39] <mmu_screen> it just won't use the DRM crap[12:22:43] <lorglas> mmu_screen i plug my hdmi cable on my laptop, but i have no picture on my tv[12:27:08] *** Duggan has quit IRC[12:27:23] *** jvff has joined #haiku[12:29:44] *** Duggan has joined #haiku[12:35:20] *** jvff has quit IRC[12:40:03] *** cebulon has joined #haiku[12:41:40] *** AlexFera has joined #haiku[12:45:50] *** marc_smith has joined #haiku[12:52:28] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[12:55:36] *** Nom4d3 has joined #haiku[12:58:38] *** sprma has joined #haiku[13:01:31] <CIA-49> pulkomandy * r37527 /haiku/trunk/src/preferences/time/DateTimeEdit.cpp: * Fix the time preflet to work in all languages, including ones with the AM/PM field before the time (try chinese for example).[13:02:01] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[13:03:11] *** Andrius has quit IRC[13:04:33] *** OmniMancer1 has quit IRC[13:06:20] <mmu_screen> lorglas: maybe you have to switch the output[13:06:25] <mmu_screen> usually it's done with acpi[13:06:39] <mmu_screen> else just complain to your vendor and ask for the manual (the specs :p)[13:14:35] *** markos_ has quit IRC[13:14:44] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[13:15:14] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[13:21:09] *** iIngenu has joined #haiku[13:21:11] *** stroh has joined #haiku[13:21:14] *** stroh has quit IRC[13:21:14] *** stroh has joined #haiku[13:21:40] *** Andrius has joined #haiku[13:26:02] *** mmlr_work has quit IRC[13:26:28] *** megaf has quit IRC[13:27:21] <iIngenu> "[13:28:42] *** veve-mao has quit IRC[13:28:48] <lorglas> mmu_screen: onto windows its work[13:29:23] <HeTo> wouldn't it use the display adapter driver rather than ACPI?[13:34:02] <mmu_screen> the windows driver likely detects the cable and clones the display automatically[13:35:41] *** markos_ has joined #haiku[13:38:52] *** jvff has joined #haiku[13:39:24] *** megaf has joined #haiku[13:40:37] <lorglas> but how can i clone it under haiku?[13:45:06] *** naaina has joined #haiku[13:46:23] *** stroh has quit IRC[13:48:19] *** jvff has quit IRC[13:51:42] *** cebulon has quit IRC[13:52:55] <lorglas> cu[13:52:59] *** lorglas has quit IRC[13:58:36] *** jvff has joined #haiku[13:59:24] *** iIngenu has quit IRC[14:01:35] *** strohi has joined #haiku[14:03:30] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[14:07:02] *** sprma has quit IRC[14:08:00] *** strohi has quit IRC[14:08:40] *** Beyecixramd has joined #haiku[14:09:49] <Duggan> well, off to try out another new build...[14:10:24] *** Duggan has quit IRC[14:12:09] *** brobostigon has quit IRC[14:12:42] *** Duggan has joined #haiku[14:12:54] <Duggan> fail.[14:15:36] *** MrSunshine has joined #haiku[14:16:07] *** iIngenu has joined #haiku[14:19:07] *** waveshaper has joined #haiku[14:20:27] *** iIngenu_ has joined #haiku[14:21:16] *** iIngenu has quit IRC[14:22:02] <Disreali> Duggan; there are a lot of breaking changes going on in trunk. I've decided to stay at r37440 until trunk stabilizes.[14:22:18] <Disreali> ymmv[14:23:03] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[14:25:56] <Disreali> speaking of...[14:26:05] <Duggan> have you noticed any network issues?[14:26:08] <Disreali> wb PulkoMandy[14:26:13] <Duggan> hi PulkoMandy[14:26:37] *** strohi has joined #haiku[14:28:01] <Disreali> Duggan; no. I'm on a desktop with wired Intel controller.[14:28:15] <Disreali> never had network issue on real hw[14:28:15] <Duggan> I'm on a laptop with a wire, DCHP isn't working in newer builds[14:28:29] <Duggan> and network prefs tends to hang[14:28:46] <Disreali> again, that is why I stayed at r37440[14:29:23] <Duggan> I'll go back and pick that one up and see how it does I guess... I have some issues that supposedly been resolved since my last update (r37283)[14:29:49] <Duggan> that have^[14:32:05] <PulkoMandy> I have no issues with network whatsoever here[14:32:25] <Duggan> I believe mines an rtl8139 :/[14:32:29] <PulkoMandy> the latest builds should be stable and working again wrt locale changes[14:32:48] <PulkoMandy> oh... you may be affected by the removal of the native driver then[14:32:55] *** strohi has quit IRC[14:33:12] <Duggan> network prefs reverts to static with a bogus IP and if i change it back to DCHP it more often than not hangs, and if it doesn't, it just reverts back to static again[14:33:35] <PulkoMandy> there are two drivers for this card, a native one and the one ported from freebsd[14:33:45] <PulkoMandy> I saw a commit last week or so disabling the native one[14:33:55] <Duggan> hmm[14:34:14] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[14:34:19] <luroh> http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/37425[14:34:30] <Duggan> somebody said that I think it was Ingo was about to do some more work with networking soon[14:35:04] <Duggan> thanks luroh[14:36:09] <Duggan> interesting[14:36:45] <Duggan> devices says its an RTL8101E/RTL8102E... (which if I remember correctly is based on the rtl8139 chipset?)[14:37:08] <Duggan> under details for "Driver used" it says "Not implemented"....[14:37:17] <Duggan> ... except I'm talking to you guys on the internet right now :/[14:37:32] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[14:38:32] <PulkoMandy> are you sure you aren't using some wireless thing ?[14:38:53] <Duggan> positive, the switch on the front of the computer for wireless is off[14:38:54] <PulkoMandy> on my laptop the wifi tend to autoconnect to something and prevent the wired net to be used at all[14:39:00] <PulkoMandy> that doesn't mean anything[14:39:02] <PulkoMandy> mine is too[14:39:10] <PulkoMandy> but it's software controlled... so it doesn't help[14:39:27] <Duggan> well we don't have wireless here right now, some of my neighbors do but its all secured[14:39:49] <Duggan> and none of my neighbors are closer than 500 feet away so it wouldn't be a good signal anyway[14:39:51] <PulkoMandy> you can try setwep /dev/net/wirelescard/0 to make sure[14:40:00] <PulkoMandy> if it says SSID='' you'r enot connected[14:40:36] <luroh> the "Not implemented" thing just means the Device app can't show the driver name yet[14:40:52] <Duggan> not a wifi device[14:41:08] <luroh> the functionality of presenting the driver name is not yet implemented in Devices[14:41:24] <Duggan> gotcha, thanks[14:41:41] <Duggan> under /dev/net all I have is rtl81xx[14:41:50] <Duggan> should probably boot into the other partition and see what it says there...[14:42:52] <PulkoMandy> you should try some revision before 37245, if it works, ping axel so he puts the driver back in at least for your card[14:42:56] <PulkoMandy> (or fixes the other one)[14:43:14] *** Beyecixramd has quit IRC[14:43:24] *** Beyecixramd has joined #haiku[14:43:34] <Duggan> that doesn't make sense... I'm using 37283 and its working fine...[14:43:50] <Duggan> oh I think I see, typo[14:44:10] <PulkoMandy> uh, yes[14:44:14] <Duggan> sorry hehe[14:44:18] <PulkoMandy> 37425 :)[14:44:40] <Duggan> alright, I'll try 37424 or thereabouts[14:45:07] <PulkoMandy> yes, if that works and 37425 fails, you've found the problem[14:45:22] <PulkoMandy> and you can just copy the driver file from an older revision to a newer one[14:45:35] <PulkoMandy> (and remove the replacement drver to avoid conflicts)[14:46:39] <Duggan> alrighty, will do... will probably need help with the driver fumbling though hehe[14:46:45] <Duggan> brb[14:47:40] *** jvff has quit IRC[14:48:58] *** strohi has joined #haiku[14:58:26] *** jvff has joined #haiku[14:59:35] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[15:06:43] *** helf|laptop has joined #haiku[15:09:04] *** Barrett has quit IRC[15:10:47] *** [Katisu] has quit IRC[15:11:17] *** [Katisu] has joined #haiku[15:12:24] *** helf|laptop has quit IRC[15:20:18] *** dark342 has joined #haiku[15:20:22] <dark342> hi[15:20:41] <dark342> one question a driver for a DVB-T TV Card with chip SAA7135[15:20:43] <dark342> :)[15:21:56] <OmniMancer> that is not a question...[15:22:53] <dark342> sorry my english is not good[15:23:04] <dark342> :S :([15:23:23][15:24:57] <OmniMancer> I don't know[15:25:27] <OmniMancer> probably not but check with someone who is sure[15:25:34] <Duggan> according to http://haikuware.com/hardware/tv-cards there is only one tv card supported, and I don't think yours is it... may be though? http://haikuware.com/hardware/tv-cards[15:25:40] <Duggan> oops[15:26:35] *** jvff has quit IRC[15:27:20] <dark342> I view a driver for SAA713x but i install but , then doesn't work at all[15:27:59] *** jvff has joined #haiku[15:30:29] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[15:32:15] <dark342> http://www.bebits.com/search?search=BeRadio&x=0&y=0[15:32:55] <luroh> dark342: yeah, the old beos drivers don't work with haiku[15:33:14] <luroh> that goes for any hardware, not just tv cards[15:34:10] <dark342> :([15:38:06] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[15:39:12] *** dark342 has quit IRC[15:46:34] *** [Katisu] has quit IRC[15:49:21] *** [Katisu] has joined #haiku[15:50:24] <Duggan> luroh is there a document somewhere that explains exactly why they went that route? someone told me a few years ago but I don't remember...[15:51:05] <luroh> there are some blog posts about the new driver architecture, iirc[15:51:38] <Duggan> would've saved alot of trouble if they at least provided some sort of compatibility layer, if that were possible :/[15:51:49] <Duggan> at least in the short term[15:52:55] *** Advant has quit IRC[15:53:26] *** Advant has joined #haiku[15:54:28] *** [Katisu] has quit IRC[15:57:53] *** mmlr has joined #haiku[16:07:57] *** oZ] has joined #haiku[16:10:42] <Duggan> ok, off to try out r37423[16:10:53] *** Duggan has quit IRC[16:11:58] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[16:12:01] *** HaikuUser is now known as Duggan[16:12:17] <Duggan> r37423 works![16:12:40] *** Duggan has quit IRC[16:13:33] *** Duggan has joined #haiku[16:13:54] <Duggan> now to try r37437...[16:15:58] <Duggan> hmm won't mount... I guess it would be safe to assume the issue is with the drivers though...[16:18:12] *** kitallis has joined #haiku[16:24:12] *** oxoocoffee has joined #haiku[16:29:04] *** MrSunshine_ has joined #haiku[16:30:01] *** Beyecixramd has quit IRC[16:31:06] *** Barrett has quit IRC[16:31:34] *** MrSunshine has quit IRC[16:34:05] *** Beyecixramd has joined #haiku[16:39:54] *** Beyecixramd has quit IRC[16:40:33] *** Beyecixramd has joined #haiku[16:42:28] *** Beyecixramd has quit IRC[16:42:33] *** Beyecixramd has joined #haiku[16:43:39] *** mmlr has quit IRC[16:48:50] <PulkoMandy> Duggan: /boot/system/add-ons/kernel/drivers/dev/net/[16:49:03] <PulkoMandy> copy rtl8139 to newer image and remove rtl81xx[16:49:06] <PulkoMandy> see if it works[16:51:51] *** iIngenu_ has quit IRC[16:52:07] *** iIngenu has joined #haiku[16:53:48] *** [Katisu] has joined #haiku[16:59:06] <Duggan> PulkoMandy thank you, DeadYak helped me in dev[16:59:13] *** xray7224 has joined #haiku[16:59:37] <Duggan> off to test, brb[16:59:42] *** Duggan has quit IRC[17:00:41] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[17:00:46] *** HaikuUser is now known as Duggan[17:00:58] <Duggan> fantastic[17:04:04] *** [Katisu] has quit IRC[17:11:01] *** sigma_g has quit IRC[17:11:01] *** Vampyre has quit IRC[17:11:09] *** Vampyre has joined #haiku[17:13:57] *** sigma_g has joined #haiku[17:15:15] *** phoudoin has joined #haiku[17:15:16] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o phoudoin[17:18:38] *** waveshaper has quit IRC[17:21:04] *** Duggan has quit IRC[17:22:01] *** Duggan has joined #haiku[17:24:36] *** mmlr has joined #haiku[17:24:45] *** raichoo has joined #haiku[17:25:31] *** MrSunshine__ has joined #haiku[17:26:48] *** lorglas has joined #haiku[17:29:23] *** MrSunshine_ has quit IRC[17:30:00] *** Geoz has joined #haiku[17:36:39] *** oxoocoffee has quit IRC[17:37:49] *** lorglas has quit IRC[17:50:27] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[17:50:28] *** RQ has joined #haiku[17:50:39] <RQ> hi[17:51:08] <humdinger> hi RQ[17:51:40] <RQ> oh hey[17:52:02] <RQ> guess what. I sent my email about Pootle to haiku@, and got no response either[17:52:56] *** naaina has quit IRC[17:53:02] <humdinger> Well... It looks like nobody is too interested then...[17:53:08] <humdinger> It does sound interesting to me.[17:53:30] <RQ> do they just love rewriting stuff[17:53:31] <humdinger> But I don't know/care too much about these things either...[17:53:36] <humdinger> probably.[17:54:12] <RQ> would you like to try it out?[17:55:23] <humdinger> I'm not sure...[17:55:30] <humdinger> Is there a demo server?[17:55:34] <RQ> yep[17:55:40] <RQ> not with Haiku's translations of course :)[17:55:56] <humdinger> I figured. :)[17:55:58] <RQ> http://pootle.locamotion.org/[17:56:22] *** JonathanThompson has joined #haiku[17:56:28] <RQ> just register for an account and see what it feels like[17:58:15] *** bradsco has quit IRC[17:58:24] <RQ> it's a little bit slow right now, but like I said, the devs are planning an AJAX interface soon, so it should feel faster by then[17:59:09] <humdinger> OK. Haven't registered yet, but it looks a bit like the old HTA. Which I haven't really used, however.[17:59:14] <mmadia> RQ : sometimes, it can take a week for a response :|[17:59:22] <humdinger> I any case. I'm not the one to be convinced.[17:59:42] <RQ> mmadia: but why is it so?[17:59:47] *** largo has joined #haiku[18:00:02] <RQ> humdinger: hm, maybe they did use Pootle then?.. :)[18:00:28] <RQ> it's a bit weird though that while the app is being rewritten, the old version was taken off.[18:00:36] <humdinger> I don't think so. But there's only so many ways you can display the original and the translation in to columns.[18:00:57] <RQ> hehe, right :)[18:01:09] <mmadia> busy schedules, plus a lot of people are focused on GSoC and other for-pay development contracts.[18:01:27] *** bradsco has joined #haiku[18:02:04] <humdinger> It's a bit unfortunate that Travis doesn't respond though.[18:02:26] <mmadia> i dropped him a line on GTalk just now, even though he's idle.[18:03:44] <RQ> thanks[18:03:59] <RQ> by the way, who was that guy doing LT translations?[18:06:13] <humdinger> dunno[18:07:30] *** dru345 has joined #haiku[18:07:41] <phoudoin> I'll watch your commits for BUSBTransfer meanwhile, and work on the last part of libusb port not depending on them.[18:07:50] <dru345> hello #haiku o/[18:08:00] <humdinger> hullo dru345![18:08:01] <phoudoin> hello dru345[18:08:52] *** wildur has joined #haiku[18:08:52] <RQ> I tried to add him to my XMPP contacts, but he either refused, or did not respond...[18:09:15] <phoudoin> RQ, mmadia: plus some are away on holidays, too. Or right in new parenthood. Or both![18:10:22] <RQ> :) yeah, but that still makes a poor impression of an unwelcoming project[18:11:00] <phoudoin> RQ: a tool to convert the .po into our catalogs will be easy to write I guess, but I guess pootle is indeed a good solution to reuse.[18:11:25] <RQ> why is it a "but" then?[18:11:47] *** Sir_Konrad has joined #haiku[18:11:48] *** Sir_Konrad has quit IRC[18:11:55] <phoudoin> because... this tool is not available yet? ;-)[18:12:07] <RQ> which one?[18:12:12] *** Sir_Konrad has joined #haiku[18:12:16] <RQ> pootle is available[18:12:35] <RQ> and that's why I'm shouting so much about it :)[18:14:45] <humdinger> If you could would provide us with the URL to completely working solution, I think everyone would jump on it. As there's not, someone has still to do all the work...[18:17:37] <phoudoin> pootle don't produce the file format our Locale Kit use for translation. AFAIK. Does it?[18:18:16] <phoudoin> Another solution is to add .po files support to BCatalog...[18:18:42] <phoudoin> But maybe it's already supported. Where is PulkoMandy when you need one!? :-)[18:19:26] <mmadia> hopefully locked in the basement, coding :D[18:19:41] *** tqh has quit IRC[18:20:07] <RQ> he said it's possible[18:20:11] <RQ> but not implemented yet[18:20:11] <RQ> ;)[18:20:12] *** DaaT has joined #haiku[18:21:23] *** martinhpedersen has quit IRC[18:21:34] *** martinhpedersen has joined #haiku[18:22:43] <PulkoMandy> sorry, I had to clean my room and remove some l[18:22:49] <PulkoMandy> old things to free some space[18:22:56] <PulkoMandy> so... no po support yet[18:23:07] <phoudoin> see, that the missing part justifying my little "but". Without it, using pootle, which seems a very good solution indeed, will be useless because nobody will translate by hands the .po it can produce to convert them into our format.[18:23:49] <phoudoin> PulkoMandy: do you think adding such support is hard?[18:24:31] <RQ> phoudoin: I think it's fairly easy to add haiku catalog support to Pootle instead[18:24:35] <phoudoin> I already envision some change to the build system, to extract native catalogs in .po format.[18:24:43] <RQ> *but* you have to know python :)[18:24:44] <PulkoMandy> yes[18:24:58] <phoudoin> RQ: oh. Even better, then.[18:25:16] <PulkoMandy> there is a good reason we don't use po : the key for our translations is computed from "original string + context + comment"[18:25:25] <PulkoMandy> which po just can't handle[18:25:42] <PulkoMandy> (they have no support whatsoever for context, only original string and comment)[18:25:45] <phoudoin> Still my little "but", but ;-) I'm confident it can be done and would worth the try.[18:26:09] <PulkoMandy> the formula for calculating the key is apparently also quite complicated[18:26:29] <phoudoin> PulkoMandy, RQ: so the missing part is add pottle support to our catalog format, input and ouput.[18:27:00] <phoudoin> RQ: do you know python?[18:27:15] <PulkoMandy> whatever the tool, I need an easy wayto export the catalogs to svn[18:27:22] <PulkoMandy> that was really painful to do with hta[18:27:24] <RQ> PulkoMandy: by the way, Mozilla guys are now trying to come up with a great (TM) format that would satisfy everyone, not just them. You may want to join them :)[18:27:31] <RQ> phoudoin : no, I don't. That's the sad part[18:28:53] <PulkoMandy> RQ: actually, I don't really care about it myself, I did all the necessary tools to easily add more formats to haiku, but writing readers/writers for all of them isn't really fun, I prefer to concentrate on other parts of localization now (date formating and this kind of stuff[18:29:46] <humdinger> PulkoMandy: Do you what was the main problem with the HTA site that it had to be rewritten?[18:29:59] <PulkoMandy> it was too slow[18:30:06] *** dancxjo has joined #haiku[18:30:19] <Xeon3D> :O[18:30:19] <dancxjo> hey. pootle[18:30:22] <RQ> PulkoMandy: ok :)[18:30:23] <Xeon3D> hey dancxjo :D[18:30:28] <humdinger> I see. But better slow that offline, right?[18:30:28] <PulkoMandy> it worked when there was 2 or 3 languages, but as the number kept increasing every page ended up timing out and not showing up at all[18:30:46] <dancxjo> great idea. cant set it up right now.[18:30:50] <PulkoMandy> and it also lacked any kind of tool to export catalogs, I had to download them one after another to merge to svn[18:31:02] <humdinger> I see.[18:31:03] <Xeon3D> PulkoMandy: truth be told there were a lot of languages there that were unneeded[18:31:09] <RQ> By the way, Pootle works with .po internally[18:31:13] <dancxjo> i have to figure out how to get it to do catkeys[18:31:21] *** GedMurphy has quit IRC[18:31:27] <RQ> but it can convert between other formats and .po[18:32:03] <humdinger> dancxjo: So for the HTA rewrite you do consider pootle?[18:32:11] <mmadia> what's involved in getting it to do catkeys, dancxjo?[18:32:26] <RQ> filters have to be written[18:32:40] <RQ> like this one, I suppose: http://translate.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/translate/src/trunk/translate/convert/csv2po.py?revision=12308&view=markup[18:32:43] <dancxjo> well, the rewrite is independent but i could scrap it[18:32:55] <RQ> dancxjo: please do so!:)[18:33:05] <dancxjo> :)[18:33:07] <humdinger> dancxjo: well... how far along a re you?[18:33:19] <dancxjo> almost done[18:33:24] <humdinger> Maybe it can still serve as an interim solution then.[18:33:40] <dancxjo> but pootle is a good idea[18:33:48] <humdinger> no doubt.[18:34:03] <PulkoMandy> how does the export from pootle to svn work ?[18:34:32] <RQ> dancxjo: can I help you try to set it up? :)[18:34:46] <PulkoMandy> and the import from svn ?[18:34:52] <RQ> haven't done that myself, but there's always the first time you know.. :)[18:34:55] <PulkoMandy> don't tell me I have to do *both* by hand ![18:34:55] <phoudoin> humdinger: being offline is the ultime slowest speed for a web site.[18:35:02] *** dancxjo has quit IRC[18:35:04] *** dancxjo_ has joined #haiku[18:35:07] <humdinger> :)[18:35:15] <PulkoMandy> what's nice with hta is the fact it syncs to svn automatically[18:35:39] *** kitallis has quit IRC[18:36:14] <mmadia> that's a two part system, BOM provides the generated files, which HTA downloads & integrates.[18:36:20] <PulkoMandy> yes[18:36:30] <PulkoMandy> but the new version handle it quite well[18:36:43] <PulkoMandy> telling the translator which strings are new, which ones are removed, etc[18:37:00] <mmadia> ah, i see.[18:37:08] <PulkoMandy> and potentially it could have a magical "commit" button so I don't have to bother with it anymore[18:38:22] <RQ> PulkoMandy: I think Pootle has means to integrate with VCS[18:38:25] *** dancxjo_ has quit IRC[18:38:34] <mmadia> once some of the Haiku, Inc tasks pop off my queue, i could look into making BOM somehow handle that.[18:38:50] <RQ> at least Mozilla's custom setup does, but I'm not sure how custom it is, so I assume it's a base feature[18:38:50] <mmadia> ... as the functionality could be used on Trac too.[18:38:59] *** dancxjo has joined #haiku[18:39:22] <mmadia> eg, an authorized user on HTA or Trac would "test & commit patch"[18:39:28] <dancxjo> Hello, all[18:39:39] <Xeon3D> hi dancxjo! :)[18:39:56] <mmadia> that'd ship it off to BOM, it'd patch, compile all archs, and conditionally commit.[18:39:58] <dancxjo> Just a note, I'm in a car right now[18:40:24] <dancxjo> I got a dreamhost account[18:40:32] <dancxjo> It can handle svn[18:40:42] <dancxjo> I have BOM importing[18:40:57] <dancxjo> But I'm thinking scrapping everything and going to pootle might be the best plan[18:41:28] <dancxjo> I don't know if it will work on my host, though[18:41:49] <PulkoMandy> the hosting should be haiku, inc problem anyway[18:42:09] <RQ> we can try[18:42:14] <PulkoMandy> dancxjo, if it is possible to have hta running quickly, that would be nice[18:42:14] <dancxjo> Agree[18:42:24] <PulkoMandy> at least to export all the translations locked inside[18:42:35] <dancxjo> Yeah[18:42:42] <PulkoMandy> I really need an updated french locale to test things out[18:42:50] <PulkoMandy> and see if everything is localized fine[18:42:57] <dancxjo> Ummmm[18:42:59] <PulkoMandy> which apps are still missing etc[18:43:11] <dancxjo> go to: http://hta.polytect.org[18:43:37] <RQ> wow[18:43:40] <RQ> so it is online[18:43:44] <dancxjo> you can export catkeys[18:43:59] <dancxjo> but since I started implementing revisions, you can't edit at the moment[18:44:00] <dancxjo> which is stupid[18:44:13] <dancxjo> I had to come to this conference thingee, so I've not finished that update yet[18:44:24] <dancxjo> Let me see if I can implement a function right now to fix that[18:44:29] *** hUMUNGUs has joined #haiku[18:44:32] <dancxjo> (I haven't got patch exporting done yet)[18:45:18] <PulkoMandy> I prefer exporting catkeys directly, don't bother with patches[18:45:41] <PulkoMandy> however, I'd really like a tracker page with all "ready to export" files on it[18:45:57] <PulkoMandy> (or in a zip file I can just extract in data/catalogs/ in the svn tree[18:46:05] <phoudoin> I should go, son is having his natation exam. Bye.[18:46:08] <PulkoMandy> then BOM could regularly get that zipfile, and apply it[18:46:14] *** phoudoin has left #haiku[18:46:15] <dancxjo> swimming[18:46:18] <dancxjo> natation = swimming[18:46:29] <humdinger> an exam in swimming.[18:46:33] <humdinger> now how about that[18:46:55] <humdinger> Bon splash, phoudoin[18:47:08] <mmadia> I may need an "apply.sh" script, that instructs BOM how to apply the archive.[18:47:20] <dancxjo> ok[18:47:20] <dancxjo> what about pootle?[18:48:00] <mmadia> this way the Trac could do the same thing, and provide instructions how to apply a certain patch (patch -p3 or -p0 for example)[18:48:21] <PulkoMandy> I don't care what tools you use, but given the status of hta I'd say it's shorter to finish it[18:49:53] <RQ> but it would need maintenance[18:50:26] <RQ> while Pootle is a separate well-maintained project whose goal is to build a best app for localization and CAT[18:50:57] <dancxjo> Yeah[18:52:03] *** hUMUNGUs has quit IRC[18:52:04] <DaaT> Xeon3D , tudo bem?[18:52:13] <PulkoMandy> there's a lot of people willing to translate tings in various languages[18:52:33] <PulkoMandy> so I'd say put hta back online as that's what faster[18:52:48] <PulkoMandy> then you have all the time you want to work on perfect integration of pootle[18:53:14] <Xeon3D> ois DaaT tudo :)[18:53:16] <RQ> sure[18:53:19] <RQ> I don't mind that[18:53:42] <PulkoMandy> a bit like all the git and hg testing for developpers... there are hg and git mirrors with various experiments going on, but we didn't shut svn down for that[18:53:49] <PulkoMandy> so everyone can continue to work[18:54:04] *** dancxjo_ has joined #haiku[18:54:36] <RQ> no look, I really don't mind having HTA for now, if it's ready[18:54:51] <RQ> that makes perfect sense[18:55:02] *** humdinger has quit IRC[18:55:09] <PulkoMandy> maybe we'll also just find that modifying pootle is much more annoying, too[18:55:21] <PulkoMandy> we have to try it, but don't block the translators on that[18:55:42] *** dancxjo has quit IRC[18:55:54] *** Trezker has quit IRC[18:56:19] *** Trezker has joined #haiku[18:56:28] <RQ> cool[18:56:32] <RQ> they have a #pootle channel here[18:56:49] *** VinDuv has joined #haiku[18:57:53] <RQ> PulkoMandy: I totally agree[18:58:14] <RQ> don't get me wrong, I don't want to block anything ;)[18:58:21] *** youngblkfamous has joined #haiku[18:58:23] <youngblkfamous> sup[18:58:58] <PulkoMandy> oh, and, iirc, hta went AJAX a long time ago already[18:59:50] <RQ> that's cool[19:00:20] *** jmelesky has joined #haiku[19:02:00] *** _gringo has joined #haiku[19:02:19] <RQ> PulkoMandy: by the way, how does your format handle linebreaks within a translatable string?[19:02:22] *** dancxjo_ has quit IRC[19:02:27] *** J-Ho has left #haiku[19:03:18] <PulkoMandy> RQ: \n[19:03:32] <RQ> i see[19:05:03] <RQ> cool, that's how .po handles them[19:05:22] <RQ> one less problem to think about :)[19:06:10] *** adriano-src has joined #haiku[19:07:33] *** Sir_Konrad has quit IRC[19:08:02] *** Sir_Konrad has joined #haiku[19:09:06] <RQ> PulkoMandy: by the way, you still haven't updated your handbook post to list all fields in the catalog file ;)[19:13:42] *** Trezker has quit IRC[19:14:10] *** Trezker has joined #haiku[19:15:54] *** strohi has quit IRC[19:16:33] <PulkoMandy> oh, right[19:16:49] <PulkoMandy> I plan to write some real documentation during the summer[19:17:21] <RQ> still, fixing that entry would take just like 4 minutes :)[19:19:14] *** OlaHughson has quit IRC[19:19:54] <PulkoMandy> ok, fixed[19:20:11] <PulkoMandy> guess what, it was there, but an html tag was closed at the wrong place[19:20:51] *** cherrypie has quit IRC[19:22:41] *** cherrypie has joined #haiku[19:23:04] *** strohi has joined #haiku[19:23:13] <RQ> ah[19:23:15] *** Trezker has quit IRC[19:23:16] <RQ> shit happens[19:23:35] <PulkoMandy> and as usual, users complain but never report bugs ;)[19:23:35] <RQ> I still see the old version[19:23:46] <PulkoMandy> yes, there's a cache on the site[19:23:54] <PulkoMandy> either login or wait a moment[19:24:20] <RQ> cool[19:24:27] <RQ> logging on helped :)[19:24:29] <RQ> thanks[19:26:10] *** nielx has joined #haiku[19:26:28] *** DaaT has quit IRC[19:27:05] *** Trezker has joined #haiku[19:27:57] *** kitallis has joined #haiku[19:33:53] *** wildur has quit IRC[19:35:13] <RQ> PulkoMandy: regarding the comment field: is it supposed to be filled by a localizer or extracted automatically from developer's code?[19:36:08] *** NeonLicht has quit IRC[19:36:34] <PulkoMandy> it's extracted from the code[19:37:04] <PulkoMandy> on the old hta there was a way to comment upon that, but I think mailing lists and bug reports are better[19:37:47] <RQ> ok[19:37:55] *** NeonLicht has joined #haiku[19:38:08] <RQ> I'm just asking to get the exact mapping between that format and .po[19:43:23] <RQ> PulkoMandy: another thing: do you expect binary files in the CVS, or catkey source files?[19:43:37] <PulkoMandy> catkeys sourcefile[19:43:44] <RQ> 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The non virtual public methods handle the[22:20:48] <CIA-49> caching now and calling the protected method afterwards.[22:20:49] <CIA-49> This has to be taken into account when fixing the other Decorators![22:21:36] *** rkbm has quit IRC[22:25:56] *** Skipp_OSX has joined #haiku[22:30:14] *** Sir_Konrad has joined #haiku[22:35:21] <CIA-49> czeidler * r37530 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/app/ (10 files): Update copyrights.[22:38:07] *** Trezker has quit IRC[22:39:02] *** Trezker has joined #haiku[22:39:26] *** warpdesign has joined #haiku[22:40:40] *** brechtm has joined #haiku[22:40:53] *** tqh has quit IRC[22:49:55] <leszek> hi[22:51:39] *** avidya is now known as wai[22:54:11] *** oco has joined #haiku[22:56:14] *** impy has quit IRC[22:57:10] <Sir_Konrad> hi leszek[22:57:23] *** Trezker has quit IRC[22:57:57] *** Nom4d3 has quit IRC[22:58:31] *** ambroff has quit IRC[23:01:28] *** impy has joined #haiku[23:01:45] *** ambroff has joined #haiku[23:06:39] *** _gringo has quit IRC[23:08:32] *** acous has joined #haiku[23:09:58] *** _gringo has joined #haiku[23:10:39] *** Xbertl has joined #haiku[23:10:50] *** augdawg has joined #haiku[23:11:58] <augdawg> can anyone help me? i am trying to install haiku on my computer but when i write the .image file to my thumb drivr it works, but then when i reboot with the flash drive in it returns an error[23:13:43] *** helf has quit IRC[23:13:59] <Ziusudra> what error?[23:14:05] *** Trezker has joined #haiku[23:15:42] <PulkoMandy> how did you write it ?[23:16:28] <augdawg> well i tried it with both a .iso and a .image and for the .image it said something like 'bad inode' and for the .io it said something about bad gui files and something else which i cant recall. right now i am downloading new .iso and .image files ( the ones that i used i got last night ). i used imagewriter and unetbootin[23:16:51] *** brechtm has left #haiku[23:17:50] <PulkoMandy> I don't know that software[23:18:10] <augdawg> which one PulkoMandy? or both?[23:18:42] *** brechtm has joined #haiku[23:18:43] <oZ]> unetbootin shouldn't be required.[23:19:00] <augdawg> oZ] what do you mean?[23:19:42] <oZ]> the image should be written directly to the flashdrive. unetbootin is only really useful for linux distributions.[23:19:51] <augdawg> wait i didnt use unetbootin i used universal usb installer; sorry[23:20:16] <augdawg> what do you mean 'written directly' : just draged and dropped?[23:20:33] <PulkoMandy> no, with tools like dd or rawwrite[23:20:47] <PulkoMandy> or flashnul[23:20:55] <augdawg> can you please explain to me how to use these tools?[23:20:55] <CIA-49> zooey * r37531 /haiku/trunk/ (7 files in 5 dirs): (log message trimmed)[23:20:55] <CIA-49> Some more ICU-related improvements:[23:20:55] <CIA-49> * updated icu-devel package to 4.4.1[23:20:55] <CIA-49> * create appropriate devel lib links when icu-devel is being installed[23:20:55] <CIA-49> (which only works during build, not when using installoptionalpackage)[23:20:56] <CIA-49> * dropped ICU headers from repository and instead fetch them from the[23:20:56] <CIA-49> icu-devel package when needed during the build[23:22:08] *** raichoo has joined #haiku[23:22:46] <Ziusudra> http://www.haiku-os.org/guides/installing/making_haiku_usb_stick[23:22:54] *** leszek has quit IRC[23:23:28] *** MrSunshine_ has joined #haiku[23:24:42] <augdawg> okay when i try the fdisk command and do sudo fdisk -1 it says that the 1 is an invalid option. does anyone know what this means?[23:25:11] <PulkoMandy> it's l (lowercase L) not 1 (one)[23:25:31] <augdawg> oh okay let me try that[23:25:57] *** MrSunshine__ has quit IRC[23:26:39] *** jrepan has quit IRC[23:27:47] *** brechtm has left #haiku[23:29:35] <augdawg> okay i think its working : the light on my thumb drive is lighting up[23:30:16] *** mo__ has quit IRC[23:31:38] *** impy has quit IRC[23:31:54] *** impy has joined #haiku[23:35:47] <augdawg> okay it successfully worked I THINK. this is the output: does it look okay?[23:35:50] <augdawg> 464+1 records in[23:35:50] <augdawg> 464+1 records out[23:35:50] <augdawg> 487577600 bytes (488 MB) copied, 219.021 s, 2.2 MB/s[23:36:23] <Ziusudra> which image is that?[23:36:30] *** wuffi600_ has joined #haiku[23:36:31] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[23:36:33] <wuffi600_> hi.[23:36:37] <augdawg> hello![23:36:52] <wuffi600_> i've taken a look at the alpha2.[23:36:53] <PulkoMandy> looks ok if 488MB is the right size[23:37:00] <augdawg> it is the haiku-r1alpha2.iso[23:37:25] <PulkoMandy> i thought this one was bigger[23:37:45] <augdawg> its actually 465 mb[23:37:45] <PulkoMandy> and you should use the "anyboot" image, I think it works better[23:37:56] <PulkoMandy> ok then, should be fine[23:37:59] <wuffi600_> for me it seems impossible that this is written without knowing the beos source.[23:38:22] <augdawg> thanks everyone for all the help! i really appreciate it so much![23:38:42] <augdawg> wuffi600_ i know it is incredible ; i dont know how they do it.[23:38:58] <PulkoMandy> wuffi600_: you realize that it took 400 man.years[23:39:10] <augdawg> okay bye everyone ! im going to install haiku now![23:39:14] <PulkoMandy> no commercial project ever had that much people :)[23:39:15] <wuffi600_> augdawg, there are so many hidden features in the gui normally noone knows[23:39:17] <PulkoMandy> (or time)[23:39:38] <augdawg> wuffi600_ what do you mean?[23:39:42] <PulkoMandy> we get extensive bug reports from a lot of people[23:39:50] <PulkoMandy> each of them ask for a small detail[23:39:56] <PulkoMandy> in the end we get all of it[23:39:59] <PulkoMandy> (or almost)[23:40:11] *** Gauron has quit IRC[23:40:39] <augdawg> okay well thanks again guys![23:40:40] <augdawg> bye![23:40:44] <dru345> bye augdawg[23:40:48] <wuffi600_> augdawg, the feeling is quite like sitting on a real beos.[23:40:54] <dru345> hi PulkoMandy, wuffi600_[23:41:02] <dru345> well that's the point wuffi600_[23:41:05] <wuffi600_> hi dru345[23:41:09] <PulkoMandy> haiku is much better than the BeOS already[23:41:12] <augdawg> wuffi600_ oh i never used beos so i dont know[23:41:18] <PulkoMandy> localization, layout kit, wifi, usb, ...[23:41:18] <augdawg> see ya guys![23:42:11] <PulkoMandy> it's also less advanced in some areas... slightly slower, uses more memory, media stuff is still unfinished[23:42:39] <dru345> well there is BeOS code in Haiku[23:42:50] <dru345> Tracker & Deskbar are the real open source code Be posted.[23:42:51] *** rkbm has joined #haiku[23:42:57] <dru345> :)[23:43:01] <PulkoMandy> yes, right[23:43:06] <dru345> which does them no favors lol[23:43:14] <PulkoMandy> with localization now, and a lot of bug fixes[23:43:16] *** augdawg has quit IRC[23:43:20] <PulkoMandy> and a rewrite in progress, too[23:43:35] *** oZ] has quit IRC[23:43:35] <wuffi600_> if you are running aros and compare the feeling with the feeling on a real amiga it's totally different. But here, haiku feels like beos...[23:43:49] *** augdawg has joined #haiku[23:44:16] <PulkoMandy> aros development model is much les focused[23:44:20] <augdawg> okay i just tried it and it didnt return any error this time : it just booted my main os[23:44:23] <PulkoMandy> the R in the name stands for Research[23:44:45] <PulkoMandy> the goal from the very start was to move on from the amiga and make progress[23:44:51] <PulkoMandy> while Haiku was about clonin[23:45:29] <wuffi600_> PulkoMandy, could you point me to the haiku sources, is there svn/cvs/...[23:45:39] <PulkoMandy> yes of course[23:45:54] *** raichoo has quit IRC[23:45:58] <PulkoMandy> http://dev.haiku-os.org/browser[23:46:16] <PulkoMandy> if you happen to have the BeOS sources with you to compare, you can check[23:46:37] <mmu_man> really there is nothing interesting in the BeOS sources anyway :p[23:47:04] <augdawg> does anyone know what i should do? should i use flashnul?[23:47:13] <augdawg> or rawwriter?[23:47:16] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[23:47:26] <Ziusudra> try dd with an anyboot image[23:47:34] <PulkoMandy> augdawg: yes, use the anyboot[23:49:16] <augdawg> okay im trying that now[23:49:47] <PulkoMandy> I'm going to sleep now, see you tomorrow[23:49:58] <augdawg> bye see ya[23:50:06] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[23:50:07] <augdawg> thanks for the help PulkoMandy[23:50:16] <augdawg> oops too late[23:51:11] <wuffi600_> PulkoMandy: thanx and gn8[23:52:40] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[23:53:22] <augdawg> okay im not sure if it worked but im going to reboot now and try it. thanks for all the help, everyone![23:54:01] *** marc_smith has quit IRC[23:56:39] *** augdawg has quit IRC[23:58:18] *** augdawg has joined #haiku[23:58:30] *** wuffi600_ has quit IRC[23:58:35] <augdawg> okay once again it didnt work. is there anything else i could try?[23:59:04] <Ziusudra> so what happened? it booted to an already installed OS?[23:59:22] <augdawg> yes Ziusudra thats what it did[23:59:52] <Ziusudra> is USB first in your BIOS boot order?