July 14, 2010 
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July 14, 2010 [00:04:26] *** korli has quit IRC[00:05:09] <dru345> \o\ \o/ /o/[00:05:12] * dru345 has conquered a few tracker bugs[00:06:35] <DraX> did you stab them in the face?[00:08:08] *** acous has quit IRC[00:09:36] <dru345> I gave tracker a flea bath[00:10:27] <dru345> there's still some related ones to kill but they should be much easier (in theory)[00:10:44] <DraX> will it make further work on tracker easier?[00:11:32] <dru345> unlikely. but it'll clear a ticket or two. :P[00:12:39] <dru345> it'll help me work on tracker tho lol[00:13:15] <dru345> these are bugs with the single window navigator[00:13:30] *** acous has joined #haiku[00:14:12] <dru345> next i'll try to sort out 'clean up' / icon size bugs which is worse code to be honest[00:33:20] <jmayfield> hmm.. wtf, terminal.app in osx doesnt support 256 color?[00:38:35] *** cpr420 has quit IRC[00:38:55] <dru345> what release of OS X, jmayfield?[00:39:18] <jmayfield> 10.6.4[00:39:57] * jmayfield just received a spanking new mb pro[00:40:07] <dru345> what makes you think it doesn't support 256 color?[00:40:25] <jmayfield> vim looks like ass, ass that blinks[00:40:47] *** lordnothing has quit IRC[00:41:20] <dru345> my gawd. ur using vim on OSX? :/[00:41:52] <jmayfield> uh[00:42:26] <dru345> just stunned lol[00:42:32] <dru345> i'm on 10.6.4 also[00:42:37] <jmayfield> stunned?[00:42:39] <jmayfield> why?[00:43:16] <dru345> i'd never have thought of using anything other than a GUI editor on OS X even for code.[00:43:33] <jmayfield> oh[00:43:34] <dru345> maybe I'm missing out[00:44:00] <jmayfield> well, i have no need for xcode.. too weird and complex. and textmate really bothers me[00:44:02] <dru345> I use TextWrangler[00:44:13] <l_n> emacs+osx :)[00:44:19] * l_n still misses emacs.[00:44:37] <DraX> l_n: console emacs works ok in haiku[00:44:41] <DraX> i use it[00:44:59] <jmayfield> besides, when i want big ide, i use eclipse[00:45:09] <l_n> yeah.. but i lost the patches/binaries for it quite a while ago.. i've gotten used to nano and Pe[00:45:20] * dru345 runs from eclipse[00:45:25] <jmayfield> but vim is my usual.. and its stinky in terminal.app[00:45:44] <DraX> http://alexbl.net/~alexbl/emacs-23.1.93-haiku-gcc4.zip[00:45:46] <jmayfield> eclipse + subclipse + pydev is great for what i need it for[00:46:02] <DraX> though using emacs in terminal sucks[00:46:09] <l_n> no meta :([00:46:14] <dru345> ah python[00:46:24] <dru345> guess eclipse makes sense for python[00:46:33] <DraX> l_n: cpr420 has a patch for that[00:49:09] * l_n needs to find his sd card now...[00:51:22] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[00:51:28] <dru345> hi OmniMancer[00:58:39] <OmniMancer> hi dru345[01:00:38] *** jmelesky has quit IRC[01:11:32] *** AlexFera has quit IRC[01:12:19] *** oco has joined #haiku[01:16:02] *** _gringo has quit IRC[01:17:42] *** _gringo has joined #haiku[01:32:53] <jfu> im going to implement a stack trace in my os even though i have no problems now it might appear later. when reading the wiki it says you should take the address of the first argument of the function and add 8 to get the value of the ebp. but if there is no argument, what then?[01:34:30] <dru345> roll dice?[01:34:39] *** Cheshire_Cat has joined #haiku[01:35:50] *** xray7224 has quit IRC[01:37:51] *** Geoz has quit IRC[01:39:48] <CIA-49> bonefish * r37502 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/vm/vm_page.cpp:[01:39:49] <CIA-49> page_writer(): Added TODO about potential deadlock in case of loop file[01:39:49] <CIA-49> systems/devices.[01:41:15] <jfu> oh wrong forum god damnit[01:42:56] *** jfu has left #haiku[01:49:51] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[01:49:52] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[01:50:19] <Xeon3D> o/[01:50:33] * Xeon3D got some good deals on some old macs...[01:50:41] *** Cheshire_Cat has quit IRC[01:50:41] *** Cheshire_Cat has joined #haiku[01:50:44] *** Cheshire_Cat is now known as Geoz[01:53:32] <CIA-49> bonefish * r37503 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/arch/x86/arch_user_debugger.cpp:[01:53:32] <CIA-49> arch_clear_watchpoint(): Passed incorrect flag to clear_breakpoint(), so[01:53:32] <CIA-49> watchpoints would never be cleared.[01:54:23] *** cpr420 has joined #haiku[01:59:59] <CIA-49> bonefish * r37504 /haiku/trunk/src/tests/system/kernel/file_corruption/fs/BlockAllocator.cpp: Use RETURN_ERROR() in the free paths, so we see where things go wrong.[02:00:58] <CIA-49> bonefish * r37505 /haiku/trunk/src/tests/system/kernel/file_corruption/fs/ (Transaction.cpp Transaction.h):[02:00:58] <CIA-49> * Added node locking related flags.[02:00:58] <CIA-49> * Added convenience method StartAndAddNode().[02:02:00] <CIA-49> bonefish * r37506 /haiku/trunk/src/tests/system/kernel/file_corruption/fs/ (Node.cpp Node.h):[02:02:00] <CIA-49> * Added some stat data setters.[02:02:00] <CIA-49> * Added virtual methods needed for files.[02:05:18] <dru345> bonefish was busy[02:09:20] *** wai is now known as avidya[02:10:10] <CIA-49> bonefish * r37507 /haiku/trunk/src/tests/system/kernel/file_corruption/fs/ (8 files):[02:10:10] <CIA-49> * Added a File class for representing regular files. We use a simple block tree[02:10:10] <CIA-49> for the data management. Reading/writing (using file cache and file map) is[02:10:10] <CIA-49> implemented, but not exactly well tested yet.[02:10:10] <CIA-49> * Renamed SymLink::{Read,Write}() to {Read,Write}SymLink().[02:10:10] <CIA-49> * Implemented FS hooks write_stat(), create(), read(), write(), io().[02:10:11] <CIA-49> * Added O_TRUNC support to open() hook.[02:12:26] *** oco has quit IRC[02:22:37] <l_n> is there a reason why mountvolume can't mount the anyboot image?[02:23:46] <OmniMancer> it hasn't been told how probably :P[02:23:49] <mmadia> the anyboot isn't a pure raw image.[02:23:56] <OmniMancer> its also not a CD[02:26:05] *** Disreali has quit IRC[02:30:50] *** OlaHughson has quit IRC[02:32:02] <l_n> yeah.. i'm d/l'ing the iso.. i just need it to run the installer and copy from iso -> sd-card[02:40:24] *** Tekk_ has joined #haiku[02:40:24] *** _gringo has quit IRC[02:40:48] <Tekk_> I just installed alpha2, did you remove bezilla?[02:41:14] <Tekk_> oh[02:41:17] <Tekk_> a different browser[02:41:20] <Tekk_> nvm[02:41:20] *** Tekk_ has left #haiku[02:42:18] *** stroh has quit IRC[02:46:02] <CIA-49> bonefish * r37508 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/slab/ObjectCache.cpp:[02:46:02] <CIA-49> Patch by Lucian Adrian Grijincu (slightly modified by myself):[02:46:02] <CIA-49> ObjectCache::ReturnObjectToSlab(): Check the returned object pointer for[02:46:02] <CIA-49> obvious invalidity (out of bounds or misalignment).[02:47:48] <l_n> wow.. tekk_ hung around for *so* long :-/[02:49:10] *** megaf has joined #haiku[02:53:12] <l_n> damn.. installer doesn't recognize the mounted image[02:53:19] <l_n> it's too smart for it's own good.[02:53:42] <mmadia> click 'Set up partitions'[02:53:55] *** LinuxKeitaro has quit IRC[02:53:56] <mmadia> exit DriveSetup.[02:54:48] <mmadia> normally, i mount the image before running Installer.[02:54:53] *** moparx has joined #haiku[02:54:59] <l_n> i did mount it...[02:55:05] <l_n> via mountvolume[02:55:57] *** acous has quit IRC[02:56:33] <mmadia> weird, i always install from mounted images.[02:59:13] <l_n> maybe i should try the raw image instead of the iso[02:59:29] <mmadia> hmm.. that might the difference.[03:04:29] *** Blub\0 has quit IRC[03:05:15] *** Blub\0 has joined #haiku[03:12:14] *** mmadia has quit IRC[03:12:14] <l_n> is it just me or do the tar.xz's transfer rather slowly?[03:13:47] <OmniMancer> :/[03:14:08] *** _gringo has joined #haiku[03:14:13] <l_n> 86KiB/s with an atheros card[03:18:14] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[03:18:15] <CIA-49> bonefish * r37509 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/thread.cpp:[03:18:15] <CIA-49> thread_exit(): Postpone deleting the thread's user stack until after sending[03:18:15] <CIA-49> the thread's death notifications. The fixes issues where other threads depend[03:18:15] <CIA-49> on objects on its stack (particularly relevant for the main thread). Fixes[03:18:15] <CIA-49> #6315.[03:28:13] *** LeandroLuiz has joined #haiku[03:30:38] *** Beyecixramd has quit IRC[03:31:46] *** megaf has quit IRC[03:32:24] *** io_oI has joined #haiku[03:32:55] *** io_oI has quit IRC[03:35:23] *** megaf has joined #haiku[03:35:36] <l_n> i've now downloaded all but the vmware image today...[03:35:39] <l_n> :-/[03:35:47] <l_n> just to test two games on gcc2h[03:37:03] <l_n> hello, megaf[03:37:30] *** Andrius has quit IRC[03:37:40] <megaf> l_n: hi[03:37:45] <megaf> how are you?[03:38:16] *** jmelesky has joined #haiku[03:39:24] <megaf> l_n: game wont run as fast as you want on vms[03:39:29] <l_n> good. wondering why i didn't start with the raw image to install to an sd-card so i can test some gcc4-built stuff on gcc2h[03:39:42] <l_n> i'm installing to an sd-card and rebooting.[03:40:00] <l_n> unless i can get someone else to do it and report back.[03:40:01] <megaf> yep, you can put a raw image on a usb flash drive[03:40:09] <megaf> sd card will not work well[03:40:20] <megaf> they are a lot slow[03:40:24] <l_n> the first thing i put haiku on was an sd card[03:40:26] <l_n> :P[03:40:47] <l_n> i don't care if the games run fast at this point. i just need to verify they work..[03:41:46] *** l_n has quit IRC[03:45:53] *** michaelvo has joined #haiku[03:48:38] <OmniMancer> megaf: he is running on hardware[03:48:50] <OmniMancer> he said he hasn't downloaded the vm image[03:49:45] <megaf> I see[03:51:31] *** l_n has joined #haiku[03:51:31] *** l_n has joined #haiku[03:51:35] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[03:52:04] <l_n> i guess i should've remembered that sd cards won't boot if partitioned...[03:52:42] <Xeon3D> won't they?[03:52:55] <Xeon3D> strange, I had the idea they would...[03:53:04] <Xeon3D> unless it's a haiku limitation...[03:53:15] <Xeon3D> I've got gparted live on a partitioned sd card.[03:53:57] *** megaf has quit IRC[03:55:04] <OmniMancer> l_n: they should if you do the right thing(tm) with the MBR?[03:55:05] <l_n> Xeon3D: dunno.. i just got something like 'Error loading operating system' or somesuch[03:55:15] <OmniMancer> yea no MBR correctness[03:55:27] <l_n> meh. i just removed the partition[03:55:55] <l_n> i'm writing haiku to a file system on the raw device.[03:56:08] <OmniMancer> alternatively could you put the haiku loader in the MBR and tell it where to load the partition?[03:56:17] <Xeon3D> I'm thinking of installing plop to mine.[03:56:36] <Xeon3D> preety cool bootloader if u ask me. :)[03:56:45] <OmniMancer> plop?[03:56:47] <Xeon3D> but what I really really wanted.[03:56:48] <Xeon3D> yeah[03:56:51] <Xeon3D> plop bootloader[03:57:02] *** michaelvo has quit IRC[03:57:03] <Xeon3D> boots usb / cdrom on old bioses with no support.[03:57:31] <Xeon3D> what I really wanted tho was a way to copy a iso to a SD card and boot it.[03:57:42] <Xeon3D> (not write the ISO to the sdcard)[03:58:24] <l_n> something that could mount the iso and boot using the information on it?[03:58:37] <Xeon3D> yeah[03:58:43] <Xeon3D> something like it.[03:59:07] <Xeon3D> there are similar devices for old computers that are floppy based... that read floppy images off a cf-card[03:59:26] <l_n> anyways.. time to reboot, install stuff, and test.[03:59:31] <Xeon3D> GL[03:59:33] *** l_n has quit IRC[04:00:30] *** Barrett has quit IRC[04:00:31] *** LeandroLuiz has quit IRC[04:10:40] *** Geoz has quit IRC[04:10:58] <cpr420> i thought the acronis boot loader could do things like that but i've never used it[04:11:29] <Xeon3D> cpr420: I don't think it can...[04:11:32] <Xeon3D> oh wait[04:11:36] <Xeon3D> things like what?[04:11:46] <Xeon3D> boot from CD/USB on unsupported machines? maybe... idk.[04:11:50] <cpr420> mounting an iso file and booting from it[04:12:34] <cpr420> maybe it was easybcd i was thinking of[04:13:48] <Xeon3D> yeah[04:14:01] <Xeon3D> I've been reading on it, specially since a new major version came out... but I'm not having much luck[04:14:18] *** LeandroLuiz has joined #haiku[04:19:23] *** megaf has joined #haiku[04:20:50] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[04:27:56] *** helf|laptop has joined #haiku[04:28:31] *** LeandroLuiz has quit IRC[04:28:32] *** helf|laptop has quit IRC[04:29:34] *** helf|laptop has joined #haiku[04:39:44] *** l_n has joined #haiku[04:39:51] *** l_n has quit IRC[04:39:52] *** l_n has joined #haiku[04:40:42] <l_n> ugh. something corrupted my makefile for tmw[04:40:44] <l_n> :([04:41:16] *** dru345 is now known as away345[04:42:01] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[04:42:30] <l_n> gn8, away345[04:43:14] *** JonathanThompson has joined #haiku[04:44:02] *** megaf has quit IRC[04:45:45] *** kmargar has joined #haiku[04:46:36] *** jmelesky has quit IRC[04:49:26] *** markos_ has quit IRC[04:56:09] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[04:58:05] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[04:58:09] *** JonathanThompson has joined #haiku[04:58:14] *** jmayfield has quit IRC[04:59:23] *** OmniMancer1 has joined #haiku[05:00:54] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[05:03:15] <l_n> chocolatedoom works on gcc2hybrid w/sound :)[05:03:28] *** _gringo has quit IRC[05:05:15] <l_n> and tmw appears to be working as well.. it's d/l'ing updates.[05:08:34] *** ddelony has quit IRC[05:08:51] * l_n appears to be talking to himself.[05:09:29] <Xeon3D> I'm reading ya[05:09:51] *** ddelony has joined #haiku[05:11:21] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[05:12:31] *** OmniMancer1 has quit IRC[05:13:04] <l_n> tmw is confirmed functional.[05:13:21] <Xeon3D> yay[05:13:41] *** OmniMancer1 has joined #haiku[05:15:54] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[05:16:03] <l_n> in gcc2hybrid, that is[05:16:29] <l_n> updated haikuware listings with new info[05:19:33] <l_n> haikuware needs a space for which haiku versions things are known to work on[05:19:44] * l_n thinks about sending an email to karl later[05:19:59] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[05:19:59] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[05:20:08] <l_n> hello[05:20:58] <Sikosis> greetings[05:25:30] *** JoeyA has joined #haiku[05:26:57] *** OmniMancer1 has quit IRC[05:27:17] * l_n is happy. the programs he "ported" (read: built on haiku with little effort) work on a gcc2hybrid build[05:27:34] <away345> what are they?[05:27:38] *** away345 is now known as dru345[05:27:46] <l_n> away345: chocolate doom and the mana world[05:27:53] <dru345> o :P[05:28:03] <l_n> i just finished testing them both[05:28:07] <dru345> port something else :D[05:28:22] <l_n> i will as soon as i dig around on happypenguin a bit :P[05:28:27] <dru345> ok[05:28:31] <dru345> Xeon3D would like you to port abiword too :P[05:28:37] <l_n> d2x gave me some issues with typedefs[05:28:41] <Xeon3D> haha dru345[05:29:04] <l_n> i actually thought about attempting OOo[05:29:15] <Xeon3D> :O[05:29:25] * Xeon3D picks jaw from the floor[05:29:27] <l_n> ...and then got lazy :P[05:29:30] <dru345> not worth the attempt :P[05:29:50] <dru345> so many dependencies >.>[05:31:18] *** cpr420 has quit IRC[05:38:48] * JonathanThompson laughs at the OOo thought[05:38:49] <Sikosis> nice work l_n[05:39:28] <JonathanThompson> Nice to have a wireless capable router/DSL gateway (no more DSL, though) that I can't seem to access to configure :p[05:39:57] *** cpr420 has joined #haiku[05:42:42] <l_n> what package does libpng belong to? (or is it part of the base system?)[05:43:41] <l_n> n/m[05:48:52] <l_n> libpng-config seems to be missing...[05:49:15] *** megaf has joined #haiku[05:55:49] *** matthias9 has quit IRC[05:57:49] *** matthias9 has joined #haiku[05:58:38] <l_n> how's about some armagetron advanced if it builds? :)[06:02:24] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[06:05:49] * Xeon3D doesn't know many games.[06:07:07] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[06:12:51] <l_n> Xeon3D: it's a internet-playable lightcycle game[06:13:03] <Xeon3D> oh[06:13:08] <l_n> http://armagetronad.net/[06:13:12] <Xeon3D> should've guessed by the tron part...[06:13:29] <Xeon3D> I like platformers more :D[06:15:09] <dru345> tron ftw :D[06:15:47] <l_n> i'll know by morning if it builds.. if it plays by tomorrow evening :)[06:16:01] <dru345> :D[06:16:44] *** DocPheniX has quit IRC[06:19:56] *** ambroff has quit IRC[06:27:29] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[06:27:52] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[06:41:13] *** megaf has quit IRC[06:42:48] *** megaf has joined #haiku[07:05:31] *** jvff has quit IRC[07:16:04] *** xray7224 has joined #haiku[07:26:07] *** jvff has joined #haiku[07:45:57] *** ddelony has quit IRC[07:46:30] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[07:46:55] *** kmargar is now known as markos_[07:56:44] *** kPb_in has joined #haiku[07:59:15] *** tqh has joined #haiku[08:11:31] *** cpr420 has quit IRC[08:14:46] *** veve-mao has joined #haiku[08:19:28] *** jmayfield has joined #haiku[08:21:21] *** Shisui has joined #haiku[08:33:34] *** jmayfield_ has joined #haiku[08:35:53] *** jmayfield has quit IRC[08:35:53] *** jmayfield_ is now known as jmayfield[08:41:13] <jmayfield> yep[08:41:46] *** dru345 has left #haiku[08:44:48] <jmayfield> hi again...[08:46:10] *** lorglas has joined #haiku[08:51:45] *** xray7224 has quit IRC[08:53:16] *** jmayfield has quit IRC[08:53:42] *** JoeyA has quit IRC[08:55:36] *** kjalarr has quit IRC[08:58:16] *** kjalarr has joined #haiku[08:58:59] <CIA-49> mmadia * r37510 /haiku/trunk/build/jam/ReleaseBuildProfiles:[08:58:59] <CIA-49> Increased the size of the nightly and alpha profiles, as the limited space[08:58:59] <CIA-49> prevented a web browser from being installed with installoptionalpackage.[08:58:59] <CIA-49> For @alpha-*, 690 was chosen, as the anyboot will add an additional 3~4M to[08:58:59] <CIA-49> the image size.[08:59:55] <CIA-49> stippi * r37511 /haiku/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs):[08:59:55] <CIA-49> Patch by Alex Wilson: Added convenience methods for storing BAlignment and BSize[08:59:55] <CIA-49> in BMessages. Also added type codes for them in TypeConstants.h. Closes ticket[08:59:55] <CIA-49> #6302. Thanks![09:08:17] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[09:14:06] *** bubsy has quit IRC[09:20:33] *** bubsy has joined #haiku[09:27:51] *** bubsy has quit IRC[09:37:24] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[09:38:48] *** handheldcar has joined #haiku[09:43:18] *** kitallis has joined #haiku[09:47:05] *** mmadia has quit IRC[09:47:40] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[09:48:37] <Duggan> hi all[09:48:59] <handheldcar> hi Duggan[09:49:18] <Duggan> hows it going?[09:49:37] <handheldcar> very stormy and you?[09:50:16] * handheldcar is planning on switching to haiku[09:52:14] <Duggan> doing alright[09:52:23] * Duggan already switched to haiku[09:53:07] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[09:57:56] *** oco has joined #haiku[09:58:10] *** bubsy has joined #haiku[10:03:11] *** tqh has quit IRC[10:04:06] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[10:09:16] *** GedMurphy has joined #haiku[10:10:08] *** Andrius has joined #haiku[10:10:44] * OmniMancer will likely always use windows somewhere[10:11:58] <Duggan> I'm sure I will too, but I haven't in the last month[10:12:19] * handheldcar is using XP to try and empty a printer's ink before it dries[10:12:38] <handheldcar> I'll need to get a CD/DVD burner working, too.[10:14:18] <handheldcar> I'll probably have to use MS @ school/work.[10:14:19] * Trezker has near zero need to ever print anything[10:14:39] <Trezker> I can't remember when I printed something last... except for school[10:14:59] <Trezker> and then I thought it was a damn waste of paper[10:15:21] <Duggan> its always been easier for me when coding to have a printout for me to scribble on then take it back to the computer and make changes, but I haven't done it in so long...[10:15:53] <Trezker> I do my scribbling on the computer[10:16:15] <Trezker> I have comments, todo files etc...[10:16:23] <handheldcar> All I print are CD track lists and calendars. I just happen to have printers. If I don't use 'em, they dry up and go bad.[10:18:13] <Trezker> I'd have more use of a 3d printer. Wouldn't mind having a reprap[10:18:19] *** Andrius has quit IRC[10:20:57] <OmniMancer> yay 3d printer :P[10:21:04] *** J-Ho has joined #haiku[10:22:33] <Trezker> Families with children should have 3D printers, they could just print all the toys instead of buying them[10:23:31] <Trezker> If I understand correctly, with a little extra equipment you could even recycle broken or unpopular toys[10:24:07] *** VinDuv has joined #haiku[10:31:42] *** handheldcar has quit IRC[10:37:27] *** kitallis has quit IRC[10:37:54] <OmniMancer> Trezker: not exactly[10:38:18] <OmniMancer> most commercial plastics 1) don't work in 3d printers and 2) don't remelt very well...[10:40:40] *** kitallis has joined #haiku[10:44:28] *** jvff has quit IRC[10:45:31] *** jvff has joined #haiku[10:50:34] *** Ziusudra has quit IRC[10:51:40] *** jvff has quit IRC[10:52:29] *** tqh has joined #haiku[10:52:34] *** jvff has joined #haiku[10:53:13] *** warpdesign has quit IRC[10:53:15] *** Andrius has joined #haiku[10:55:17] *** impy has quit IRC[11:04:09] *** jvff has quit IRC[11:06:19] *** jvff has joined #haiku[11:13:23] *** _gringo has joined #haiku[11:18:57] *** jvff has quit IRC[11:20:58] *** jvff has joined #haiku[11:22:24] *** kitallis has quit IRC[11:22:29] *** OmniMancer1 has joined #haiku[11:24:53] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[11:34:29] *** jvff has quit IRC[11:35:53] *** jvff has joined #haiku[11:43:24] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[11:52:25] *** iIngenu has joined #haiku[11:58:55] *** The123king has joined #haiku[11:59:26] *** The123king has left #haiku[12:15:17] *** warpdesign has joined #haiku[12:17:35] *** odites has joined #haiku[12:19:04] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[12:23:23] *** warpdesign has quit IRC[12:24:55] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[12:29:50] *** iMax_pp has joined #haiku[12:30:13] *** iMax_pp has quit IRC[12:31:24] <CIA-49> pulkomandy * r37512 /haiku/trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs):[12:31:24] <CIA-49> * Actually include ICU 4.4 in the image we build[12:31:24] <CIA-49> Note this doesn't fix everything yet, apparently there is a problem with ICU genereating an invalid opcode exception.[12:36:10] *** Hubert_ has joined #haiku[12:36:13] *** sprma has joined #haiku[12:37:39] *** sprma has quit IRC[12:41:47] *** lorglas has quit IRC[12:43:43] *** VinDuv has joined #haiku[12:45:16] *** wildur has quit IRC[12:47:00] *** Trezker has quit IRC[12:47:41] *** stroh has joined #haiku[12:52:05] *** AlexFera has joined #haiku[12:55:37] *** Nom4d3 has joined #haiku[12:55:50] *** odites has quit IRC[13:13:12] *** jvff has quit IRC[13:14:26] *** jvff has joined #haiku[13:18:31] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[13:34:01] *** l_n has quit IRC[13:35:14] *** veve-mao has quit IRC[13:38:01] *** veve-mao has joined #haiku[13:38:36] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[13:39:36] *** veve-mao has quit IRC[13:48:29] *** l_n has joined #haiku[13:54:49] *** Ola has joined #haiku[13:55:05] *** Ola is now known as OlaHughson[14:06:57] *** Hubert_ has quit IRC[14:11:10] *** Beyecixramd has joined #haiku[14:12:25] *** Beyecixramd has quit IRC[14:12:44] *** Beyecixramd has joined #haiku[14:13:16] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[14:21:32] *** Barrett has quit IRC[14:23:14] <CIA-49> pulkomandy * r37513 /haiku/trunk/build/jam/OptionalBuildFeatures: * One of ICU libs got somewhat corrupted during the package creation. This fixes it and get you a bootable system again.[14:23:38] <OlaHughson> http://simbaspaws.org/olahughson/rozne/alogon.JPG[14:24:35] <OmniMancer1> lol[14:24:54] <OmniMancer1> do what you must because you can eh?[14:24:55] <OlaHughson> :D[14:25:07] <OlaHughson> OmniMancer1, i am running GLaDOS 2.0[14:25:51] <OmniMancer1> you mean GLaDOwS 7 :P[14:26:01] <OlaHughson> i mean my fursona.[14:26:17] <OlaHughson> it is not fully biological, due to holding Eye of Harmony inside.[14:27:41] * OmniMancer1 reformats you to BFS and puts haiku on you![14:28:09] <OlaHughson> You cannot reformat something, which comes from higher civilisation.[14:28:25] <OlaHughson> It's not Independence Day, where a Mac virus can paralize alienj compuuyters:d[14:30:47] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[14:35:54] *** qwery has joined #haiku[14:36:02] *** qwery has quit IRC[14:36:13] *** stroh has quit IRC[14:43:19] *** helf|laptop has quit IRC[14:43:48] *** odites has joined #haiku[14:50:09] *** oZ] has joined #haiku[14:57:03] *** lorglas has joined #haiku[15:17:34] <CIA-49> pulkomandy * r37514 /haiku/trunk/ (headers/os/locale/Country.h src/kits/locale/Country.cpp): * Add an API to get a formatted time along with delimiters for the differrent fields, for further parsing/formatting[15:26:12] *** OmniMancer1 has quit IRC[15:27:13] *** AlexFera has quit IRC[15:30:30] *** _gringo has quit IRC[15:33:47] *** kPb_in has quit IRC[15:35:46] *** _gringo has joined #haiku[15:36:51] *** tqh has quit IRC[15:54:10] <CIA-49> pulkomandy * r37515 /haiku/trunk/src/preferences/time/ (DateTimeEdit.cpp Jamfile):[15:54:10] <CIA-49> * Time preferences : use localized time.[15:54:10] <CIA-49> Note this only works if your localized time use only 8-bit utf-8 codepoints.[15:56:56] *** J-Ho has left #haiku[15:57:35] *** Gauron has joined #haiku[16:04:27] *** Trezker has joined #haiku[16:11:40] *** l_n has quit IRC[16:19:05] *** odites has quit IRC[16:21:39] *** l_n has joined #haiku[16:22:41] *** tqh has joined #haiku[16:28:27] *** wildur has joined #haiku[16:34:08] *** Andrius has quit IRC[16:38:29] *** _gringo has quit IRC[16:39:57] *** _gringo has joined #haiku[16:52:39] *** _gringo has quit IRC[16:57:05] *** absabs has joined #haiku[16:57:35] *** absabs has left #haiku[16:59:21] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[17:02:51] *** Andrius has joined #haiku[17:03:02] *** Beyecixramd has quit IRC[17:04:40] *** jrepan has joined #haiku[17:04:45] *** xray7224 has joined #haiku[17:08:02] *** sprma has joined #haiku[17:13:30] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[17:15:50] *** xray7224 has quit IRC[17:19:38] *** brobostigon has joined #haiku[17:19:38] <humdinger> nice: http://www.haiku-os.org/news/2010-07-14_opportunity_pay_axel_code_haiku[17:20:31] <brobostigon> afternoonings all[17:21:07] *** hijokpo[pl] has joined #haiku[17:21:10] <humdinger> hello there[17:21:26] <mmadia> .... i forgot to get the start date from Axel. oops :)[17:21:46] <brobostigon> hi humdinger and mmadia[17:22:16] *** paul0 has quit IRC[17:22:43] <mmadia> hi all.[17:23:19] *** hijokpo[pl] has quit IRC[17:23:43] *** MrSunshine_ has quit IRC[17:23:48] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[17:29:14] <CIA-49> aldeck * r37516 /haiku/trunk/src/ (11 files in 2 dirs):[17:29:14] <CIA-49> * Removed last remains of the OPEN_TRACKER define.[17:29:14] <CIA-49> * Cleanup of unused include.[17:32:00] <Xeon3D> any special reason for tex to be doubled in that page?[17:32:06] <Xeon3D> *text[17:32:23] * Xeon3D pokes mmadia?[17:33:01] <mmadia> yes, i didn't have my daily caffeine intake yet. it's fixed, but hasn't hit the anonymous user cache yet.[17:33:01] *** _gringo has joined #haiku[17:33:39] <Xeon3D> oh =D[17:33:42] <mmadia> actually the real reason is that the news is so damn awesome, that it deserved to be repeated twice :P[17:34:11] <Xeon3D> :)[17:35:02] *** oco has quit IRC[17:36:03] *** Gauron has quit IRC[17:37:04] *** MrSunshine_ has joined #haiku[17:39:05] <iIngenu> mmmh[17:39:25] <iIngenu> I wonder if Haiku would run on my i7[17:39:34] <iIngenu> anyone ran it on such CPU[17:39:38] <mmadia> it runs on Ingo's.[17:39:47] <iIngenu> (intel chipset too)[17:40:14] <iIngenu> been playing with it in VM sofar[17:40:55] *** jmayfield has joined #haiku[17:41:06] *** Beyecixramd has joined #haiku[17:41:39] *** Beyecixramd has quit IRC[17:42:26] *** tqh has quit IRC[17:48:46] *** iIngenu_ has joined #haiku[17:51:30] *** iIngenu has quit IRC[17:55:28] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[17:56:06] <Anarchos> i am finally compiling TexLive for haiku :)[18:00:57] *** StreaK|ON has joined #haiku[18:01:12] *** oco has joined #haiku[18:03:24] *** StreaK|ON has quit IRC[18:04:57] <CIA-49> scottmc * r915 /haikuports/trunk/dev-libs/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Initial .bep and patch files for icu, from pulkomandy.[18:13:08] *** magnetronne has joined #haiku[18:15:49] <gluon> what was the standard behavior in BeOS when left-clicking on a minimized app in the deskbar? Was it the same as Haiku?[18:16:08] <Anarchos> gluon i think yes[18:17:55] <lorglas> hi, how long can be a filename[18:19:47] <brobostigon> lorglas: according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Be_File_System 255 charectors.[18:20:09] <lorglas> thanks[18:20:41] <gluon> Is there any rationale for showing the window list even when there's only one instance of that application running?[18:21:02] <gluon> or is it simply for historic reasons?[18:21:14] <brobostigon> youre welcome lorglas :)[18:22:05] *** acous has joined #haiku[18:22:53] <gluon> most other windowing systems maximize the window when you left click it on the bar (provided there's only one instance running)[18:23:09] *** magnetronne is now known as niark[18:30:26] *** impy has joined #haiku[18:32:49] *** dru345 has joined #haiku[18:33:04] *** megaf has quit IRC[18:33:23] <dru345> hello \o[18:33:42] <PulkoMandy> gluon : I always use the "expand applications" mode[18:33:53] <PulkoMandy> this way there's no menu and you have easy access to windows[18:34:07] <PulkoMandy> by default the deskbar menu is actuallu[18:34:14] <PulkoMandy> by default the deskbar menu is actually listing applications, not windows[18:34:21] <PulkoMandy> which is very different[18:34:22] <brobostigon> afternoonings dru345[18:34:46] <PulkoMandy> what to do if an application as no window at all ? (let's say a mediaplayer that play music without anything visible)[18:36:13] <Anarchos> PulkoMandy or Tracker when no window open[18:36:33] <gluon> PulkoMandy: "expand applications" doesn't do that![18:36:47] <gluon> at least not here[18:37:24] <gluon> "expand applications" simply adds an arrow icon to each application menu but I still get a list of apps[18:37:29] *** Duggan has quit IRC[18:37:58] <PulkoMandy> yes, but clicking on the arrow you can expand them[18:38:03] <PulkoMandy> and see the windows directly[18:38:21] <PulkoMandy> (or there is a checkbox to do it automatically for all newly open apps)[18:39:02] <Anarchos> PulkoMandy if i CTRL+SHIFT click on Tracker it lists an hidden 'tracker status' window, but no way to show it :)[18:39:05] *** iIngenu_ has quit IRC[18:39:41] <gluon> PulkoMandy: no it does not, clicking the arrow still gives me the list, doesn't maximize the app[18:39:54] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[18:40:21] <CIA-49> pulkomandy * r37517 /haiku/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs):[18:40:21] <CIA-49> * Allow use of unicode character in time view[18:40:21] <CIA-49> * Some support for languages having an order different than H:M:S:AM (like chinese). Does not seem to work too well, but I can't spot what I missed[18:40:21] <CIA-49> * API to get the infos about the type of each field in a time format[18:40:26] <gluon> oh, this just happens with Terminal[18:40:27] <Anarchos> gluon you misunderstand the application and window concept. You can not maximize app only windows[18:41:00] <gluon> you're right[18:41:17] <gluon> I guess I'll read the be book :)[18:41:56] <Anarchos> gluon good reading !! come back here if you have other questions[18:42:06] * PulkoMandy notices he use settings that are exactly the opposite of the default ones[18:42:32] <PulkoMandy> "sane defaults" they say ?[18:42:57] <dru345> <3 the defaults[18:43:04] <gluon> Anarchos: oh thanks, I've been around for the last month or so :)[18:44:11] *** humdinger has quit IRC[18:45:26] *** Duggan has joined #haiku[18:45:32] <gluon> Alright, this was the problem. When you enable application expander plus expand new applications in the deskbar the firt time you run Terminal it doesn't automatically expand the window menu[18:46:15] <gluon> if you then terminate Terminal and launch it again the window menu is automatcally expanded this time[18:46:16] *** odites has joined #haiku[18:46:25] <gluon> hence my confusion[18:47:01] <mmadia> possibly a bug.[18:47:04] <gluon> somehow this happened only the first time I launched a Terminal right after enabling expand new apps[18:47:18] <gluon> the second time it doesn't happen[18:47:33] <gluon> let me try again[18:48:03] *** Mixer has quit IRC[18:51:39] *** raichoo has joined #haiku[18:51:57] *** Ingenu has joined #haiku[18:52:50] *** ambroff has joined #haiku[18:55:33] *** curlyman has joined #haiku[18:57:45] *** ziomatto has joined #haiku[19:04:01] <DraX> mmadia: it's ``through the generous financial contributions from users like you.'' not ``through your generous financial contributions''[19:04:03] 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Note this[22:35:36] <CIA-49> doesn't currently work correctly on gcc2 hybrid due to some issues with the ICU[22:35:36] <CIA-49> optional package rules (gcc2 ICU libraries are ending up in gcc4/lib).[22:35:49] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[22:37:58] *** bbjimmy has joined #haiku[22:40:47] *** saivert has quit IRC[22:41:58] *** AlexFera has joined #haiku[22:42:52] *** oco has quit IRC[22:45:39] * Sir_Konrad kicks CIA-49[22:45:39] <CIA-49> ow[22:46:25] *** saivert has joined #haiku[22:50:57] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[22:51:41] *** oZ] has quit IRC[22:54:41] <Hubert_> Sir_Konrad: what for?[22:54:42] <Hubert_> :)[22:54:58] <Sir_Konrad> Hubert_: he's a bad little bot. ;)[22:55:06] <Hubert_> he he[22:55:37] <Hubert_> but useful ;)[22:55:41] *** Nom4d3 has quit IRC[22:56:56] *** ziomatto has quit IRC[22:56:58] *** Mixer has quit IRC[22:57:27] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[23:01:41] *** wuffi600 has joined #haiku[23:01:51] <wuffi600> hi.[23:02:09] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[23:04:33] <wuffi600> is there sourcecode from beos used in haiku-os?[23:04:51] <mmadia> only the bits that were opensourced, such as Tracker & Deskbar.[23:05:12] <mmadia> would anyone be interested in linking http://www.haiku-os.org/news/2010-07-14_opportunity_pay_axel_code_haiku to the reddit and facebook pages?[23:06:00] <wuffi600> mmadia, opensourced with what licences? all MIT licence?[23:07:02] <mmadia> i'm not sure what the exact license for Tracker & Deskbar is ... some other stuff was under the Be Sample Code license, which is one of the BSD licenses.[23:07:28] *** Mixer has quit IRC[23:07:49] *** Beyecixramd has quit IRC[23:08:02] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[23:08:11] *** Beyecixramd has joined #haiku[23:08:36] <CIA-49> bonefish * r37520 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/audio/ac97/ichaudio/ (Jamfile lala/Jamfile): Simplified Jamfiles. The drivers isn't built anyway, though.[23:09:48] <wuffi600> mmadia, can i get all sourcecodes of haiku-os these days?[23:10:41] <mmadia> yes. btw, it's just "Haiku"... the "-os" part is a misnomer, from not being able to get the haiku.org domain.[23:11:35] <Ziusudra> mmadia, I've got reddit covered[23:11:37] <mmadia> also, like many other F/OSS projects, the source code is free to use, but the trademarks (the Haiku name and the HAIKU logos) are not free to use. --- much like with Mozilla's Firefox for example.[23:13:12] <mmadia> thanks Ziusudra[23:13:56] <brechtm> haiku.org seems like a placeholder site... it's not for sale?[23:14:17] <mmadia> they won't even reply to our emails.[23:14:36] <brechtm> can you get a street address?[23:15:08] <mmadia> yes, according to http://whois.domaintools.com/haiku.org[23:16:00] <brechtm> anyone tried that way yet?[23:16:04] *** Mixer has quit IRC[23:16:32] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[23:19:09] <Ziusudra> FYI: http://www.reddit.com/submit?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.haiku-os.org%2Fnews%2F2010-07-14_opportunity_pay_axel_code_haiku[23:20:03] <mmadia> i'd rather not register ... one less distraction :)[23:20:37] *** marc_smith has quit IRC[23:21:32] *** Beyecixramd has quit IRC[23:21:54] *** kitallis has quit IRC[23:22:14] *** kitallis has joined #haiku[23:24:14] <Ziusudra> hmm, right ... you can see the submissions without registering/logging in here http://www.reddit.com/user/ziusudrazoon/submitted/[23:26:36] *** Mixer has quit IRC[23:26:48] <Ingenu> night everbody, see you tomorrow[23:26:58] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[23:27:02] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[23:27:44] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[23:31:31] *** oco has joined #haiku[23:33:59] <wuffi600> From many aspects many parts of haiku look like haiku being a clone of beos. Is there a patent problem for haiku?[23:34:48] <PulkoMandy> no[23:34:55] <PulkoMandy> it's a clone but we rewrote everything[23:35:04] <PulkoMandy> and there are no software patents[23:35:31] <wuffi600> any patents about the look of the desktop from, design point of view?[23:36:20] <impy> thats copyright you're thinking of[23:36:32] <wuffi600> ok, wehat is about that? e.g. the icon-set[23:37:09] *** Mixer has quit IRC[23:37:33] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[23:38:03] *** JoeyA has quit IRC[23:39:05] <PulkoMandy> the icon set is ours[23:39:17] <PulkoMandy> it's similar but we redrawn everything[23:39:28] <PulkoMandy> and afaik the icons from beos are not copyroghted[23:39:36] <PulkoMandy> (seeing how much other software use them)[23:39:45] <PulkoMandy> and we changed the name to avoid any problems[23:39:52] <PulkoMandy> (et the beginning it was OpenBeOS)[23:40:03] <impy> everything is copyrighted by default[23:40:18] <impy> (just not under the copyright logo)[23:40:40] <wuffi600> after be inc. disaperaed who holds rights about the former beos-software?[23:40:52] <impy> access (isn't it?)[23:41:02] <PulkoMandy> yes[23:41:04] <mmadia> PulkoMandy : i think the BeOS icons are indeed copyrighted.[23:41:20] <PulkoMandy> no idea... but they are used in a lot of places without asking[23:41:37] <impy> sure, cause they just give a damn[23:41:42] <impy> and there isn't any money in it[23:41:43] <impy> :)[23:41:43] <mmu_screen> yes, which doesn't mean they aren't copyrighted :p[23:41:46] <mmadia> yeah, but that doesnt make it "OK" ... http://beincorporated.com/aboutbe/legal.html[23:41:53] <mmu_screen> I saw them in a software at the local library..[23:41:58] <mmadia> "The icons used on the Be Web site and in the Be Operating System are are protected under copyright and trademark laws of the United States of America and other countries. Use of the icons is subject to written permission"[23:42:38] <impy> mmu_screen will pay all the fines in case haiku gets sued for that[23:42:47] <mmu_screen> Be used to be ok for use in BeOS apps[23:43:21] <mmu_screen> PulkoMandy: copyright is not something you have to ask for[23:43:33] *** Mixer has quit IRC[23:43:43] <mmu_screen> it just happens as soon as something is created (actually distributed the first time)[23:43:48] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[23:44:01] <mmu_screen> it used to be subject to registration in the US but that's no longer the case[23:44:07] <mmu_screen> IIRC[23:44:11] <impy> yep.. thats why there is copileft... which means you give up certain rights you already had[23:44:40] <impy> registration is still needed to use the ® symbol iirc[23:44:54] <wuffi600> is be inc. still existent?[23:44:55] *** Ziusudra has quit IRC[23:44:57] <impy> and the © an tm[23:45:23] <mmadia> ™ is a non-registered tm.[23:45:25] <impy> wuffi600: no.. it was bought by palm... then by access[23:45:34] <mmadia> eg, common-law trademark.[23:46:06] <mmu_screen> which makes me think, why is it called copyright when it's no right to copy ? :p[23:46:14] <mmu_screen> it should be copywrong :p[23:46:18] <mmu_screen> (ACTA SUX)[23:46:40] <impy> sounds like french reasoning to me[23:46:43] <mmu_screen> yes trademarks means (at least in US) unregistered tm, in use[23:46:51] <mmu_screen> ® are registered tm[23:46:54] <wuffi600> have all parts of the BeOS (OS) taken by palm? Are there any other compamnies having special rights about the BeOS?[23:47:13] <impy> mmu_screen: it just means to owner has the right to copy :)[23:47:29] <mmu_screen> not even[23:47:40] <mmu_screen> now it's mostly the majors that keep those rights[23:47:54] <mmu_screen> well owner yeah[23:48:01] <mmu_screen> authors usually just have some cents to cry on :p[23:48:16] <impy> :)[23:48:57] <impy> wuffi600: why these questions?[23:49:05] <impy> wuffi600: are you planning to sue :<[23:49:48] *** Mixer has quit IRC[23:50:02] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[23:51:51] *** veve-mao has joined #haiku[23:56:21] *** Beyecixramd has joined #haiku[23:56:26] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[23:57:50] *** OmniMancer1 has joined #haiku[23:57:53] <wuffi600> impy, i liked beos very much because of many reasons. it can be the basis for the best office or home desktop OS possible. Some concepts are so simple, lightweigt and quick. It's great! Also i think about an ipad-like device running beos. An arm-cpu would be powerfull enough.