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[00:00:19] <Hodapp> judgen: Furthermore, the Constitution itself in Article V that these amendments ARE A PART OF THE CONSTITUTION.
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[00:01:04] <judgen> Hodapp: I like that you get testy.. I need that for now.
[00:01:10] <Hodapp> judgen: Go read Article V.
[00:01:17] <Hodapp> Or is that not part of the Constitution either?
[00:01:50] <tm512> l_n: im back
[00:01:58] <tm512> what source ports do you play
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[00:02:09] <judgen> Hodapp: It is definable as a part of the const..
[00:02:13] <dru345> oy drunk and political.
[00:02:29] <judgen> dru345 it is fun, and interesting'
[00:02:31] <Hodapp> judgen: The Constitution itself defines them as part of the Constitution.
[00:02:39] <l_n> tm512: currently, chocolate doom is the only one.. it runs on haiku :)
[00:02:45] <dru345> it's not #haiku tho
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[00:02:53] <tm512> l_n: i have chocolate
[00:02:55] <judgen> It started with me wanting to have a constitution similar to the first one, but for sweden.
[00:02:59] <tm512> +doom
[00:03:44] <judgen> Hodapp: should i make a code reference... hotlinking code does not make your code relevant.
[00:04:12] <l_n> i've got a server running with danzig1 and danzig2 loaded.. waiting on disreali to come back.. if you want to join, i'll give you the ip
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[00:04:42] <tm512> im busy at the moment, but, i could play later
[00:04:44] <Hodapp> judgen: Article V of the Constitution states that amendments are a part of the Constitution. If you're disagreeing, then you're saying the Constitution is wrong. It's that simple.
[00:04:47] <l_n> okay
[00:04:53] <tm512> i need the wads too, but its not a big deal
[00:04:56] <judgen> Hodapp: I realy like you, you seem to be awsome and not infuriated by me.. Just lovely =D
[00:05:08] <l_n> it'd be nice if i could figure out why odamex can't load the patches for the textures
[00:05:16] <Hodapp> you could ask in #zdoom on OFTC
[00:05:26] <Hodapp> they know a bit about source ports
[00:05:31] <tm512> zdoom != odamex :P
[00:05:33] <tm512> it used to
[00:05:45] <tm512> 'even the odamex devs werent much help :P
[00:05:50] <judgen> Hodapp: amendments are just that... they can be altered and be part or the const , do you atgree?
[00:06:58] <Hodapp> judgen: Amendments to the US Constitution are, by definition in Article V, a part of the Constitution. I don't care about anything else here.
[00:07:59] <judgen> No but that is an important part.. i want my Grundlag (basic law) back... we have NO laws in sweden not defined by the lissabon agreement anymore.
[00:08:12] <judgen> None what so ever
[00:08:32] <Hodapp> judgen: Does any of this pertain to the US Constitution?
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[00:08:49] <judgen> 12k pages...
[00:09:32] <judgen> Hodapp: I said i Wanted the basic constitution withouth any monarchy.
[00:09:45] <judgen> We have to fight for it now
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[00:10:34] <judgen> Most people from the US thake those freedoms granted by the Const for granted... We lost almost all in 2009
[00:10:48] <dru345> AddVolumeContextMenus(BMenu *menu)
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[00:12:02] <judgen> Hodapp: may i talk to you in private?
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[00:20:28] <judgen> meh....
[00:21:16] <judgen> I am going back to my amiga.... brb in about 20 hours unless i get a priv
[00:21:46] <Anarchos> judgen so you use an amigo ?
[00:21:53] <Anarchos> judgen is haiku runnable on it ?
[00:22:07] <judgen> yes, and no afaik
[00:22:18] <judgen> But it runs fine on my amiga
[00:22:28] <Anarchos> so why the 'no' then ?
[00:22:49] <judgen> It does not run on ppc yet
[00:23:11] <Anarchos> judgen hmmm but beos ran on ppc, no ?
[00:23:20] <judgen> but i havfe a SBC and a swithcer card. so i can run any x86 software
[00:23:54] <Anarchos> SBC is ?
[00:24:18] <judgen> The PPC version does not run on the SharkPPC or the BlizzardPPC cards
[00:24:40] <judgen> SBC=Single Board Computor
[00:24:58] <Anarchos> ok. i dream of a sparc running haiku :)
[00:25:16] <judgen> My SBC is a 1.8ghz with 4gb mem now
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[00:27:30] <judgen> with my amiga i can run 3x os at once... AOS3.9.* *insert anythng that runs on x86* and my own board that runs ATOS
[00:27:40] <judgen> at once
[00:28:47] <judgen> ATOS is kinda nice
[00:29:10] <judgen> lots of free gamed
[00:29:22] <judgen> games*
[00:30:32] <Vroomfondle> you mean aros?
[00:30:53] <judgen> no ATOS
[00:31:00] <judgen> Atari TROS
[00:31:23] <judgen> I am old.. did i mention that?
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[00:31:47] <judgen> With GEM from DRI
[00:35:39] <judgen> I managed the only (afaik) CYCLADES server in scandinavia.. What age am i?
[00:35:41] <judgen> hehhe
[00:36:18] <CIA-49> mmadia * r37465 /haiku/trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
[00:36:18] <CIA-49> Some improvements for installoptionalpackage
[00:36:18] <CIA-49> * copy the needed jam files during compile time. This ensures the correct data
[00:36:18] <CIA-49> files are used, for example in non-trunk builds
[00:36:18] <CIA-49> * -f now only removes the generated at runtime listing of available packages
[00:38:04] <judgen> I is amazin that the only OS that beat the amiga in screen real estate usage still rocks on, but worse is that windows have no copied yet.
[00:38:41] <judgen> talking bout beos/haiku
[00:39:45] <judgen> meh... i am either ignored or *i dont want to think about the other options*
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[00:52:12] <johnny_b> :)
[00:52:44] <johnny_b> amiga hw is ridiculously expensive
[00:53:35] <dru345> new or old?
[00:55:39] <johnny_b> both of them :)
[00:55:44] <dru345> oh
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[00:56:34] <tm512> l_n: I'm available now
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[01:03:46] <l_n> tm512: ah.. give me a couple of minutes
[01:04:07] <tm512> im trying to find the wads
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[01:06:25] <dark342> hi
[01:06:45] <dark342> i have a problem booting haiku in real hardware :(
[01:06:57] <kallisti5> dark342: what hardware?
[01:06:59] <tm512> welcome to the club
[01:07:06] <dark342> seems like the mouse doesnt work correctly on my ASUS P5KPL-AM EPU
[01:07:08] <dark342> :(
[01:07:33] <dark342> the pointer is disappeared to right corner of the screen :(
[01:08:25] <dark342> in P5KPL EPU this behaviour not exist
[01:08:44] <dark342> something happens with mouse driver
[01:09:01] <tm512> ok l_n i have the wads, what IP address/port
[01:09:29] <dark342> and one question is entirely supported for DVB-T the chip Philips SAA7135?
[01:09:46] <l_n> tm512: default port 24.151.144.47
[01:10:12] <dark342> lol :) playing quake 3?
[01:10:18] <tm512> Doom
[01:10:24] <dark342> ahm sorry
[01:10:28] <tm512> lol
[01:10:31] <dark342> xD
[01:10:35] <tm512> l_n: what WAD?
[01:10:36] <dark342> quake 3 is better than doom
[01:10:46] <tm512> not by one bit, dark342
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[01:11:10] <l_n> tm512: danzig1.wad and danzig2.wad doom2.wad
[01:11:14] <dark342> i prefer doom3 , to be ported to haiku ,or a Linux Emulator similar to wine
[01:11:19] <dark342> on Haiku
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[01:11:30] <tm512> so add both wads?
[01:11:34] <tm512> 1 and 2?
[01:11:39] <tm512> to the command line
[01:11:54] <l_n> yep
[01:11:59] <l_n> they don't overlap
[01:12:07] <tm512> error
[01:12:12] <tm512> "unable to resolve "null
[01:12:52] <l_n> ?
[01:13:16] <Anarchos> dark342 i prefer haiku ported to sparc :)
[01:13:27] <tm512> i got an error :unable to resolve null"
[01:13:43] <dark342> to sparc :D
[01:13:44] <tm512> your ports arent forwarded
[01:13:47] <dark342> best PPC :)
[01:13:51] <tm512> PPC
[01:13:53] <tm512> yEs
[01:14:07] <l_n> tm512: 2342 should be the port
[01:14:07] <dark342> sparc not bad , but PPC is the best :)
[01:14:39] <johnny_b> Alpha is the best :)
[01:15:16] <tm512> still not working
[01:15:24] <Anarchos> johnny_b well sparc is not as bad (look at the venus or ultrasparc-t2+) ! but alpha seems the best architecture (if i remember what i know about it)
[01:15:29] <dark342> alpha :D
[01:15:45] <dark342> on this processors run windows only:)
[01:15:47] <l_n> odd.. i was playing just fine with disreali.. what version of chocolate doom are you using?
[01:15:53] <tm512> 1.3
[01:16:01] <tm512> want me to host
[01:16:03] <tm512> ?
[01:16:14] <l_n> i was about to suggest that.. -warp 11 for the beginning of the wads
[01:16:34] <tm512> dm or altdeath?
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[01:17:12] <l_n> altdeath skill 4
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[01:17:25] <johnny_b> dark342: are you talking about dec alpha? :)
[01:17:25] <tm512> altdeath is 2.0, right?
[01:17:27] <tm512> L.
[01:17:29] <tm512> :/
[01:17:29] <Anarchos> johnny_b i began to wrote a sparcv9 emulator
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[01:17:43] <johnny_b> Anarchos: cool
[01:17:47] <dark342> YES
[01:17:50] <dark342> this :)
[01:17:53] <dark342> DEC ALPHA
[01:18:15] <johnny_b> and what about the OpenVMS, Tru64?
[01:18:28] <johnny_b> not mention the BSDs and Linux
[01:18:39] <l_n> tm512: yeah
[01:18:44] <tm512> l_n: victim.homeip.net:45
[01:19:17] <Anarchos> johnny_b i wrote it in ocaml : decode instructs and simulates their execution
[01:19:22] <dark342> OpenVMS :d
[01:19:24] <dark342> :D
[01:19:40] <tm512> l_n: nobody else?
[01:19:54] <l_n> unless you have somebody coming
[01:20:13] <johnny_b> Anarchos: ocaml? wooww, cool project :)
[01:21:16] <Anarchos> johnny_b i do it at job when nobody watches
[01:21:23] <johnny_b> :p
[01:21:25] <Anarchos> so i got eclipse and i nice computer
[01:21:44] <johnny_b> dark342: do you know what are talking about? :)
[01:22:01] <dark342> sorry?
[01:22:28] <dark342> about OSes :) and i need some answer to a question :)
[01:22:44] <johnny_b> first you said that only windows runs on alphas and then you're laughing on OpenVMS
[01:23:03] <dark342> OpenVMS is good but windows not :)
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[01:23:05] <johnny_b> that makes me think you don't know too much about this
[01:23:10] <dark342> OpenVMS work in DEC ALPHA?
[01:23:22] <johnny_b> omg :)
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[01:24:02] <johnny_b> Anarchos: what's your job?
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[01:24:21] <johnny_b> dark342: yes, it does :)
[01:24:35] <Anarchos> johnny_b j2EE enginner for a bank :/
[01:24:36] <johnny_b> it runs on vax, alpha and itanium cpus
[01:24:58] <johnny_b> great, java master in da house \o/
[01:25:23] <Anarchos> johnny_b i prefer ocaml to java, ocaml is far far away !
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[01:25:44] <johnny_b> what do you think about clojure?
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[01:26:05] <Anarchos> johnny_b i don't know this one
[01:26:24] <johnny_b> it's very trendy nowadays
[01:26:47] <johnny_b> clojure.org
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[01:28:53] <tm512> l_n: gg :P
[01:30:27] <Anarchos> johnny_b "dialect of lisp targeting the jvm" well they picked up the bad from functionnal and java world lol
[01:32:05] <johnny_b> why do you consider lisp bad?
[01:32:14] <Anarchos> johnny_b syntax
[01:32:20] <johnny_b> i see
[01:32:40] <johnny_b> i'm not a lisp monkey, just played with scheme a little bit
[01:35:11] <Anarchos> it is too hard to build texlive on haiku --> time to go to sleep !
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[01:39:16] <Hodapp> syntax in lisp is a bit inseparable from the nature of the language
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[01:42:47] <l_n> tm512: okay.. i'm back
[01:43:49] <tm512> ok, can i pick the wad this time though?
[01:43:59] <tm512> i'll see if i can get more doomers
[01:44:44] <l_n> what map.. i'll have to go d/l
[01:44:57] <tm512> i'll think about it real quick
[01:44:58] <l_n> the only one i could remember from back in the day was danzig[1|2]
[01:45:36] * l_n goes to fetch a pepsi while tm512 is thinking
[01:45:46] <tm512> l_n: for keyboard only, use wasd for moving, left + right for turning, and up to fire
[01:45:50] <tm512> thats how i do it
[01:46:09] <tm512> im with a mouse right now, though
[01:47:52] <l_n> that's smooth.. never thought of that
[01:48:09] <johnny_b> night guys
[01:48:42] <tm512> anyway, im seeing if this map is compatible with vanilla limits
[01:51:11] <l_n> if the odamex devs were more helpful, i could play newer stuff.. but *no*.. they won't help.
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[01:51:39] <tm512> l_n: i tried odamex on haiku, gave up because emulation is too slow
[01:51:54] <tm512> anyway, that WAD isnt vanilla, i guess
[01:52:29] <tm512> get judas23_.wad
[01:54:06] <tm512> victim.homeip.net:45
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[01:58:29] <l_n> failed to connecty
[01:58:32] <l_n> s/y//
[01:58:47] <tm512> port 45 too?
[01:58:55] <l_n> yeah
[01:59:06] <tm512> did you add judas23_.wad
[01:59:19] <l_n> yep.. ls shows it at 33k
[01:59:41] <tm512> whoops
[01:59:43] <tm512> one sec
[02:00:00] <l_n> did you forget to start? :P
[02:00:07] <tm512> no, wrong port
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[02:00:25] <tm512> oh
[02:00:32] <tm512> and i didnt have the wad in the folder
[02:01:04] <tm512> derp
[02:01:43] <tm512> there\
[02:03:00] * l_n changes Down to fire instead of up
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[02:04:57] <l_n> map23
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[02:05:08] <tm512> yup
[02:05:19] <l_n> hence the 23 in judas23_.wad
[02:05:31] <tm512> yeah
[02:05:46] <tm512> i never understood why you'd not start at map01
[02:05:47] <judgen> My code is about o see progress soon... Is anyone interested in wine?
[02:06:36] <l_n> if it was to be part of a larger wad....
[02:06:42] <judgen> maybe a week or ten.. but i find it amusinh.
[02:07:13] <tm512> l_n: up
[02:07:19] <l_n> why up?
[02:07:24] <judgen> I can allready run some basic wine crap like hearts
[02:08:21] <judgen> my goal is icewind dale.. and game wise i will quit.
[02:08:30] <l_n> oh, running :P
[02:08:46] <judgen> Want some screenies?
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[02:09:57] <judgen> afk still working
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[02:14:33] <tm512> l_n: restarting, but im not sure it will help
[02:16:31] <tm512> l_n: its up
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[02:19:05] <dru345> judgen - i'm interested in wine :P
[02:20:07] <l_n> i'm back tm512
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[02:22:30] <l_n> my problem that time was a toddler
[02:22:39] <tm512> oh
[02:22:42] <tm512> heh
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[02:27:33] <tm512> l_n: AHA I found our problem
[02:27:46] <tm512> the bandwidth monster was running
[02:27:50] <l_n> bt
[02:27:56] <tm512> yup
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[02:29:40] <dru345> so when can we use Doom to shoot at the Tracker code? :P
[02:31:01] * l_n imagines the tracker dog running through a doom level (replacing a pinky, of course. :P )
[02:33:18] <dru345> >:D
[02:33:54] * tm512 kicks l_n's ass at doom
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[02:36:53] <l_n> tm512: the new controls are messing me up
[02:36:55] <l_n> :-/
[02:37:21] <tm512> its better than the standard config
[02:37:37] <tm512> allows more complex manuvers
[02:38:32] <l_n> i normally would change z and x to strafe to allow strafing and turning
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[02:52:33] <geek_user_> what about hadrware3d under Haiku? Hello.
[02:53:00] <away345> hi
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[02:53:16] <away345> hardware 3d will come. some day. not today.
[02:53:18] <away345> hi OmniMancer
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[02:54:35] <geek_user_> when?
[02:54:45] <geek_user_> why not today?
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[02:55:01] <geek_user_> dru345: poke
[02:55:44] <dru345> I have no info about it geek_user_. i'm not working on 3d stuff.
[02:57:25] <geek_user_> bad
[02:57:28] <geek_user_> sad
[02:57:32] <geek_user_> mad
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[03:01:31] <l_n> isn't one of the GSoC students working on Gallium?
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[03:04:18] <l_n> which AAO do you have, tm512
[03:04:19] <l_n> ?
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[03:06:14] <tm512> l_n: AO532h
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[03:14:31] <OmniMancer> hi
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[03:19:48] <Disreali> yay! I fixed my router
[03:20:34] <l_n> wb
[03:20:51] <l_n> tm512 will play as soon as he hits 1.0 ratio on some stuff
[03:21:34] <l_n> OmniMancer: have you been here the whole time?
[03:21:50] <l_n> or are you just now sitting down at your computer?
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[03:25:12] <tm512> l_n: Hmm, well 1st thing is that im going to watch a CTF game in 2 hours
[03:25:20] <tm512> and i have stuff to do before then
[03:25:52] <tm512> 2nd is just a warning that my irc client is always open, so dont expect me to reply quickly :P
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[03:35:07] <l_n> tm512: ah, i see..
[03:35:28] <l_n> Disreali: wanna try a game since you don't have router issues now?
[03:40:04] <nisstyre65> does haiku run okay in virtualbox?
[03:40:12] <dru345> yes
[03:40:15] <nisstyre65> sweet
[03:40:33] <dru345> just be sure to set the network adaptor to intel 1000 pro desktop
[03:40:41] <nisstyre65> I think that is default
[03:40:48] <nisstyre65> but I'll make sure
[03:41:14] <dru345> I think PCnet-FAST III is default. :)
[03:53:35] <geek_user_> Haiku on a virtual machine is the first step to the rubber woman.
[03:56:24] <geek_user_> Use it only on real hardware!
[03:56:52] <dru345> o.O
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[04:09:51] <geek_user_> dru345: what?
[04:10:17] <dru345> 'rubber woman' :P
[04:11:40] <geek_user_> I'm wrong?
[04:11:50] <geek_user_> I'm right!
[04:12:10] <geek_user_> real feels
[04:12:15] <geek_user_> on real hardware
[04:12:25] <geek_user_> real sex with real woman
[04:12:44] <helf|laptop> ...
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[04:13:40] <OmniMancer> define being here the whole time l_n :P
[04:13:51] <OmniMancer> I have been in the channel and not really paying attention :P
[04:14:04] <surrounder> geek_user_: suckysucky 10 dollars ?
[04:14:35] <geek_user_> surrounder: ???
[04:14:44] <surrounder> geek_user_: nevermind :P
[04:15:27] <geek_user_> surrounder: :-D
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[04:25:36] <geek_user_> haiku have vnc server app?
[04:26:16] <OmniMancer> yep
[04:26:57] <OmniMancer> its a BeOS one actually
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[04:32:04] <geek_user_> give me link
[04:32:07] <geek_user_> or so
[04:33:00] <helf|laptop> google.com
[04:33:02] <helf|laptop> ;P
[04:33:32] <dru345> check bebits.com or haikuware.com
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[04:36:19] <Sir_Konrad> geek_user_: you'll find a LOT of Haiku/BeOS software off of those two sites.
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[04:55:52] <geek_user_> fuck
[04:55:58] <geek_user_> tell app name
[04:57:44] <geek_user_> BeVNC?
[04:59:39] <OmniMancer> just google vnc
[04:59:44] <geek_user_> OmniMancer: what the app name?
[05:00:20] <geek_user_> i'm banned on the google
[05:01:10] <surrounder> use another search engine then
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[05:01:34] <geek_user_> In my office all search engines are banned
[05:01:38] <geek_user_> by sys admin
[05:02:00] <geek_user_> so tell me fucking app name, it's so hard?
[05:02:59] <surrounder> with that attitude, it certainly is.
[05:04:02] * geek_user_ angry
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[05:06:21] <OmniMancer> geek_user_: I meant search vnc on BeBits
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[05:13:05] <geek_user_> i kill you tonight
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[05:14:27] <surrounder> lol
[05:14:36] <OmniMancer> hmmm
[05:14:48] <OmniMancer> seems he is unable to use a website search
[05:14:55] <OmniMancer> or find something without a name
[05:15:16] <surrounder> rocket science! that's what it is
[05:15:54] <OmniMancer> how do I know what the name is its not like I keep that knowledge around for fun...
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[05:21:44] <dru345> he's a charming guy
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[05:25:30] <dru345> hi Duggan
[05:25:57] <Duggan> hey dru345
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[05:31:35] <OmniMancer> sounds like a demanding guy who can't do things for himself
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[05:33:24] <Disreali> well, he did say that google was banned/blocked at his office
[05:33:51] <Disreali> but you are correct, he was not well mannered
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[05:42:22] <OmniMancer> Disreali: BeBits search isn't google is it?
[05:43:00] <Disreali> not likely not
[05:43:25] <OmniMancer> I doubt a site specific search is banned
[05:44:31] <Disreali> possible, but unlikely. I used to work at a shop were the sysadmin had most of the internet lock off
[05:46:29] <Disreali> though curiously, select porn sites did work. several of us figured he had a subscriptions and did his business at work
[05:48:54] <dru345> oy :p
[05:51:25] <Disreali> uhg!! why would someone pester a dev to close a ticket that simple is not fixed? a newly built app simple does not fix the issue
[05:51:39] <dru345> lol
[05:51:43] <Disreali> </rant>
[05:51:58] <Disreali> sorry for that
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[05:52:06] <dru345> he's been asking all day :P
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[05:54:48] <Disreali> uhg
[05:55:35] <Disreali> i think its time to watch movies, which means re-booting to xp
[05:55:42] <Disreali> later all
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[06:22:20] <Duggan> LOL!.... www.beosmaxfiles.org "Hits since August 3rd 2006: 1"
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[07:01:42] <dru345> how's ur coding coming along Duggan?
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[08:36:33] <tm512> woot, i learned more neat stuff on screen
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[09:57:06] <srbaker> heya folks
[09:57:15] <srbaker> curious about haiku kernel
[09:57:30] <srbaker> is it single-server, like OS X, or are my device drivers all done from userland more like minix?
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[10:03:09] <johnny_b> welcome
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[10:03:21] <johnny_b> haiku has a hybrid kernel
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[10:04:04] <johnny_b> not a single-server like OSX and drivers reside in kernel land iirc
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[10:08:03] <srbaker> so does this mean a nasty driver can bring down the whole system?
[10:08:26] <srbaker> the problem i have with linux and os x
[10:08:34] <srbaker> is that bad drivers bring the whole bitch down
[10:08:44] <johnny_b> :)
[10:09:31] <srbaker> so is that less of a problem in haiku?
[10:10:01] <johnny_b> no, drivers can cause a lot of trouble
[10:10:25] <johnny_b> but it doesn't matter at this point :)
[10:10:43] <srbaker> because there are no drivers? :P
[10:11:25] <johnny_b> i'd say less than needed :)
[10:11:30] <srbaker> haha
[10:11:43] <srbaker> i don't understand "hybrid" kernel
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[10:11:47] <srbaker> can you explain that to me a little better?
[10:12:07] <johnny_b> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_kernel
[10:12:15] <johnny_b> check this out
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[10:12:37] <johnny_b> it's a good article about this topic with informative pics :)
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[10:15:01] <srbaker> okay, so hybrid puts the two things i would rather have in user mode in kernel mode. :P
[10:15:10] <srbaker> and the two things i could care less about in user mode.
[10:15:33] <srbaker> rather, i care about all of these things preferably being in user mode, but i care more about the current separation being swapped
[10:15:48] <johnny_b> wait a second
[10:16:07] <johnny_b> it's just about the concept not the haiku implementation
[10:17:37] <srbaker> oh, okay
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[10:19:53] <johnny_b> i can't find a good article about haiku internals
[10:22:01] <OmniMancer> what things does hybrid put in the kernel?
[10:22:35] <johnny_b> for example net stack
[10:22:47] <srbaker> OmniMancer: IPC and Drivers
[10:22:52] <srbaker> according to wikipedia
[10:23:30] <johnny_b> yep
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[10:30:08] <OmniMancer> but that is good to do in the kernel :P
[10:31:45] <The123king> Hello Haiku'ers :)
[10:32:03] <OmniMancer> also after I asked I realised you mean the mythical kernel type not the haiku means to run both types of gccs
[10:32:33] <johnny_b> :)
[10:35:33] <srbaker> is haiku on a relatively modern GCC yet?
[10:37:33] <The123king> srbaker: It can be compiled with GCC4.3.3
[10:37:46] <johnny_b> annnddd
[10:37:46] <srbaker> is R1 compiled with it by default?
[10:37:59] <johnny_b> we'll have clang/llvm too
[10:38:00] <The123king> no
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[10:38:15] <johnny_b> thanks to OmniMancer ;)
[10:38:22] <The123king> r1 will be compiled with GCC2.9.5, but will have support for GCC4.3.3 compiled in with it
[10:38:32] <srbaker> ah
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[10:38:40] <The123king> which is how the Alpha's work ATM
[10:38:59] <The123king> GCC2Hybrids
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[10:55:50] <OmniMancer1> beOS compatability need gcc2 versions of various htings
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[10:57:59] <OmniMancer1> hi korli
[10:58:08] <korli> hi OmniMancer1
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[11:49:12] <marc_smith> hmm, still getting 'missin libs' with various apps unpacked from zip/tgzs
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[12:19:21] <The123king> Just wondering, how many people here use Haiku as their primary OS?
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[12:46:26] <marc_smith> I wouldn't actualy dare yet, too many things aren't working OOTB, although these are 3rd party packages
[12:46:39] <marc_smith> base OS works great
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[12:59:40] <gluon> The123king: I use haiku as my primary OS during weekends at home
[13:00:28] <rennj> http://i33.tinypic.com/15ei64x.jpg x11 ootb
[13:00:53] <rennj> i just zipped and copied it over from beos 5.0.3 system
[13:01:06] <rennj> gobe productive same thing
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[13:32:01] <marc_smith> x11 under Haiku? is it a x11 forwarding from your unix system, or is it a native BeOS/Haiku instance of x11 srv?
[13:32:26] <marc_smith> I'm asking 'cause I see it runs virtualized under VMW
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[13:57:33] <CIA-49> korli * r37466 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/media/media-add-ons/usb_webcam/addons/uvc/UVCCamDevice.cpp: added yuy2 and nv12 guid
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[15:12:05] <rennj> native beos/haiku
[15:12:23] <rennj> marc_smith search bebits.com
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[15:22:41] <CIA-49> korli * r37467 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/audio/emuxki/emuxki.h: fix build with gcc4 and DEBUG
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[15:28:29] <wesbluemarine> hiiiiiiiiiiii
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[15:42:59] <l_n> wesbluemarine: hi. need a sedative?
[15:43:35] <wesbluemarine> no
[15:43:47] <wesbluemarine> i need haiku on my eeebox
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[15:48:19] <stpere> l_n: hi, I need a laxative, do you also have that?
[15:48:22] <stpere> :P
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[15:48:55] <stpere> I'm kidding :)
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[15:56:54] <l_n> wesbluemarine: it doesn't work
[15:56:55] <l_n> ?>
[15:57:05] <l_n> s/>//
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[16:06:27] <l_n> chocolate doom was updated to 1.4.0, and i just uploaded the updated build for haiku to haikuware.com
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[16:18:14] <marc_smith> bebits.com is cool, but I used it with BeOS back then, now I am unsure whether it will work
[16:18:17] <marc_smith> hmm
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[16:18:55] <wesbluemarine> i want haiku on my 1920x1080 screen T__T
[16:19:19] <marc_smith> yeah, why not putting it on a huge billboard screen? :D
[16:19:47] <marc_smith> can you even see the fonts, wesbluemarine ? :D
[16:19:55] <marc_smith> they must be damn small
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[16:25:27] <wesbluemarine> marc_smith sure
[16:25:47] <wesbluemarine> before i had a 1920x1280
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[16:37:38] <wesbluemarine> http://msftkitchen.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Windows-8-Machine-Specifications.png
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[16:40:58] <Hodapp> wesbluemarine: somehow, this looks like it will fall flat.
[16:41:36] <wesbluemarine> Hodapp i don't understand sorry
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[16:47:23] <OmniMancer1> who says I want my computer to log in when I sit infront of it, or it to start going haywire while I hold aconversation
[16:47:25] <l_n> wesbluemarine: it's going to fail.
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[16:48:21] <OmniMancer1> that and not everyone has uncapped high speed broadband!
[16:48:47] <marc_smith> OmniMancer1: Microsoft says that lol
[16:48:52] <wesbluemarine> l_n i only like the allinone
[16:49:09] <marc_smith> I like laptops with replacable parts
[16:49:15] <OmniMancer1> microsoft is wrong
[16:49:20] <marc_smith> MS is very wrong
[16:49:33] <marc_smith> but they own their users
[16:49:38] <OmniMancer1> I like desktops but wish they could be portable like laptops
[16:49:49] <marc_smith> OmniMancer1: then buy a nettop
[16:50:00] <wesbluemarine> i want haiku lol
[16:50:01] * OmniMancer1 thinks we should assimilate microsoft
[16:50:07] <marc_smith> yeah!
[16:50:12] <wesbluemarine> but haiku doesn't want me
[16:50:15] <OmniMancer1> nettop probably won't play games :/
[16:50:27] <marc_smith> yeah, but who cares for games anyway? :>,
[16:50:31] <marc_smith> man, yo're sing Haiku
[16:50:33] <OmniMancer1> me
[16:50:42] <marc_smith> you're
[16:50:54] <OmniMancer1> im using xp right now :P
[16:50:58] <marc_smith> damn :D
[16:51:02] <marc_smith> my condolences
[16:51:22] <OmniMancer1> not a problem for me
[16:51:24] <marc_smith> fortunately I don';t have any MS/Apple tandem stuff on my machines
[16:52:01] <OmniMancer1> haiku runs on the old box I have and I use it for some haiku related dev/porting
[16:52:09] <marc_smith> cool
[16:52:15] <OmniMancer1> need sleep now though, university in the morning
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[17:10:27] <brobostigon> o/
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[17:16:07] <Xeon3D> hey brobostigon
[17:17:14] <brobostigon> hey Xeon3D
[17:18:32] <Xeon3D> how's it going?
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[17:20:48] <l_n> ugh. coffee pots are in the dishwasher.. which means i can't get coffee until it's done...
[17:20:50] <l_n> :(
[17:21:18] <Xeon3D> stop the dishwasher, take pot, wash by hand *profit* ?
[17:21:47] <brobostigon> spot on, or like me, a sunday afternoon beer.
[17:22:18] <Xeon3D> :)
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[17:30:19] <l_n> mmmm... beer.
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[17:31:02] <brobostigon> :)
[17:31:35] <l_n> Disreali: chocolate doom was updated to 1.4.0
[17:33:37] <michaelvo> uhuu
[17:34:02] <CIA-49> zooey * r37468 /haiku/branches/developer/zooey/posix-locale/ (3 files in 2 dirs): * added strfmon() function and corresponding header (monetary.h)
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[17:38:00] <CIA-49> zooey * r37469 /haiku/branches/developer/zooey/posix-locale/src/system/libroot/posix/locale/ICUCategoryData.cpp: * explicitly use en_US_POSIX locale, not just US
[17:38:45] <CIA-49> zooey * r37470 /haiku/branches/developer/zooey/posix-locale/src/system/libroot/posix/locale/ICUMonetaryData.cpp: * adjusted setting of monetary locale info to get strfmon() working properly
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[18:11:16] <CIA-49> zooey * r37471 /buildtools/trunk/ (2 files): * cleanup of installation hints (had this lying on my disk for a while).
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[18:55:13] <CIA-49> oruizdorantes * r37472 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/network/protocols/l2cap/ (7 files):
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[19:13:22] <CIA-49> oruizdorantes * r37473 /haiku/trunk/src/tests/kits/bluetooth/l2capClient/l2capClient.cpp: Update l2cap client testcase
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[20:53:57] <l_n> ping
[20:54:21] <stpere> pong
[20:55:38] <marc_smith> lol
[20:55:50] <marc_smith> you guys are crazy, hehe
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[21:09:07] <stpere> marc_smith: indeed :)
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[21:22:05] <marc_smith> but that's just cool ;)
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[21:30:02] <CIA-49> zooey * r37474 /buildtools/trunk/legacy/gcc/gcc/ (c-lex.c cp/lex.c):
[21:30:02] <CIA-49> * fix wide character literals by implicitly converting from utf-8 (which
[21:30:02] <CIA-49> we assume as the input charset) to utf-32 (which is used by Haiku's
[21:30:02] <CIA-49> wchars)
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[21:35:01] <HeTo> aren't you supposed to mark wide character literals with L?
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[21:48:16] <brobostigon> o/
[21:50:19] <dru345> hi brobostigon
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[21:50:35] <brobostigon> hi dru345
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[22:01:23] <jmayfield> Hi
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[22:49:23] <CIA-49> zooey * r37475 /buildtools/trunk/legacy/gcc/gcc/ (c-lex.c cp/lex.c): * fix build when building gcc2 with gcc2 (c89-syntax)
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[23:34:10] <xray7224> I'm having an issue with mediaplayer and it reading the audio track of a video
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[23:35:45] <dru345> xray7224 what is the format?
[23:36:10] <xray7224> its an avi if that helps
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[23:36:34] <dru345> oh an avi could be anything :/
[23:36:48] <brobostigon> agreed.
[23:37:20] <xray7224> i know the audio track is there as i've played the file on my mac and it picked it up
[23:37:41] <dru345> did you play it with quicktime?
[23:38:08] <brobostigon> vlc should be able to read the audio and video format within the avi container.
[23:38:26] <xray7224> dru345: yeh but its got extra codecs installed
[23:38:32] <xray7224> so its not just the standard mac stuff
[23:38:55] <dru345> xray7224 but if you do Command+I it'll show what the codec is.
[23:39:01] <xray7224> ah ok
[23:39:06] <dru345> or you could try VLC on Haiku
[23:39:17] <xray7224> i can't find it in installoptionalpackage
[23:39:33] <dru345> http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-beos.html
[23:39:43] <xray7224> xvid
[23:39:48] <dru345> ah.
[23:40:03] <brobostigon> i am not familier with that format.
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[23:40:34] <xray7224> AC3 if that means anything to you
[23:40:38] <dru345> xray7224 - you could post a ticket for media player at http://dev.haiku-os.org
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[23:40:46] <dru345> it does
[23:40:50] <xray7224> yeh i might
[23:40:53] <xray7224> infact i will
[23:40:55] <xray7224> not i might :P
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[23:42:01] <xray7224> thanks for your help guys
[23:42:08] <dru345> no problem :)
[23:42:20] <dru345> AC3 is something we should have support for
[23:42:25] <xray7224> how do i install vlc ?
[23:42:40] <dru345> you should be able to double-click the download
[23:42:47] <brobostigon> xray7224: just unzip it, and run it.from where you unzipped it.
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[23:43:00] <xray7224> im getting a missing libraries thing im running r37453
[23:43:25] <dru345> O.O
[23:43:38] <xray7224> fun fun fun :)
[23:44:08] <xray7224> i could reboot the machine into another OS to play this video but i really wanna get it working under haiku :)
[23:44:14] <dru345> i have that nightly. let me boot it.
[23:44:23] <xray7224> dru345: ok thanks :)
[23:44:30] <xray7224> im trying to get as much as i can done only using haiku
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[23:45:34] <dru345haiku> o/
[23:45:43] <xray7224> hey dru345haiku
[23:46:24] <dru345haiku> getting vlc now
[23:47:12] <brobostigon> ok, sleep well all, good night.
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[23:47:24] <dru345haiku> goodnight brobostigon
[23:47:31] <xray7224> night brobostigon
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[23:47:37] <dru345haiku> vlc loads here ok. all i did was unzip to the desktop
[23:47:43] <xray7224> how odd
[23:47:55] <brobostigon> night dru345haiku and xray7224
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[23:48:24] <xray7224> missing libraries libnet.so, libstdc++.r4.so
[23:49:01] <dru345haiku> hmm. gcc2hybrid?
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[23:49:18] <xray7224> GCC4 according to about this system
[23:49:23] * xray7224 shrugs
[23:49:53] <dru345haiku> ah. better to use the GCC2 hybrid
[23:50:24] <xray7224> can i complie it ?
[23:50:43] <OmniMancer> xray7224: gcc4 hybrid or just gcc4?
[23:50:57] <xray7224> i *think* just gcc4
[23:51:12] <dru345haiku> gcc2 hybrids are downloadable at the haiku-files site with other nightlies.
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[23:52:21] <dru345haiku> the GCC4 wouldn't have the libraries. VLC is a gcc2 beos app.
[23:52:49] <xray7224> http://cl.ly/1csE <-- about this system
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[23:53:48] <dru345haiku> yeah. GCC4 won't have the libraries needed.
[23:54:01] <dru345haiku> you'd need either GCC4 hybrid or GCC2 hybrid.
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[23:54:07] <xray7224> which is better
[23:54:15] <dru345haiku> GCC2 hybrid
[23:54:22] <xray7224> ok
[23:54:27] <dru345haiku> it gets the most testing and what 'official' releases are
[23:54:47] <xray7224> downloading
[23:54:47] <dru345haiku> all 3 versions are available as nightlies so you just need to be careful when you get one
[23:54:52] <xray7224> lemmi find my haiku pendrive to dd it to
[23:56:58] <l_n> gcc4hybrid seems to be quite stable..
[23:57:05] <xray7224> ok i don't get it surly its just the version of gcc its complied with
[23:57:35] <l_n> it is.. but older beos stuff requires gcc2 system libraries
[23:57:42] <xray7224> o
[23:57:56] <l_n> drivers require gcc2 kernel (beos drivers)
[23:58:44] <xray7224> im tired i might just use my mac to play this video tonight
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[23:59:03] <xray7224> install haiku gcc2 tomorrow
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[23:59:31] <dru345haiku> ok xray7224 :)
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