July 9, 2010 
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July 9, 2010 [00:08:22] *** l_n has quit IRC[00:14:04] <Skipp_OSX> judgen, is RISCOS in alpha?[00:14:17] *** raichoo has quit IRC[00:14:58] *** youngblkfamous has joined #haiku[00:15:01] <youngblkfamous> hey friends[00:16:12] <judgen> Skipp_OSX, it left alpha in 1983 i think[00:20:04] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[00:29:27] *** yourpalal has quit IRC[00:29:42] *** mirai has joined #haiku[00:31:44] *** mirai is now known as twock[00:33:27] *** stroh has quit IRC[00:37:54] <twock> window item move next[00:39:33] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[00:39:51] <twock> .[00:39:54] <twock> clear[00:42:25] <twock> hello[00:44:23] <robert_> judgen, haha. :p[00:48:38] *** Nozy has joined #haiku[00:49:30] *** Skipp_OSX has quit IRC[00:54:27] <judgen> robert_, but it is true[00:56:44] <robert_> I never said anything, judgen :p[00:57:48] <judgen> =D[01:04:55] <robert_> :p[01:05:17] *** bubsy_ has joined #haiku[01:05:36] *** bubsy has quit IRC[01:10:41] <Duggan> erm... so eh... what special hoops do I have to jump through to be able to use strings in my programs?...[01:12:51] <Duggan> I'm getting linker errors...[01:13:47] <judgen> I am to drunk to answer, but i bet someone will jump in soon[01:14:00] <Duggan> hi judgen, haha alright, thanks[01:14:47] <judgen> i have to go to a political debate on sathurdy. So i am doing my best to get drinking out of my mind.[01:14:56] <judgen> by drinking =D[01:15:02] <Duggan> lol gotcha[01:15:14] <Duggan> well you have fun with that :)[01:15:43] <ulrask> Maybe I can help if I understand the question[01:15:57] <ulrask> You wanna manipulate strings ? In which language ?[01:16:32] <Duggan> c++[01:16:36] <Duggan> got linker errors[01:16:59] <Duggan> In function `basic_string<char, string_char_traits<char>, __malloc_alloc_template<0> >::replace(unsigned long, unsigned long, char const *, unsigned long)':[01:17:26] <Duggan> first error:[01:17:29] <Duggan> (.basic_string<char, string_char_traits<char>, __malloc_alloc_template<0> >::gnu.linkonce.t.replace(unsigned long, unsigned long, char const *, unsigned long)+0x41): undefined reference to `__out_of_range(char const *)'[01:17:45] <Duggan> I'll spare the 2nd, its similar to the first[01:17:55] <ulrask> Show me the line in your software. I used to do C++ a long time ago, I remember I had no particular problems with strings but I can't tell you right away[01:18:05] <Duggan> there is no line, its a linker error[01:18:31] <ulrask> Show me the line you wrote I mean that gave you this error[01:18:43] *** MrSunshine_ has quit IRC[01:18:48] <Duggan> nevermind[01:18:52] <ulrask> As far as I remember there is no need to use a string type, a string is only an array of char in C[01:19:47] *** l_n has joined #haiku[01:19:51] <Duggan> hey l_n[01:20:54] <ulrask> If you were into basic I could have helped you better[01:21:23] *** bubsy_ is now known as bubsy[01:21:44] <Duggan> I think basic88 is the only implementation of basic in haiku and I don't even know if it works as it was written for the BeOS... and no, I'm not writing anything in that[01:21:46] <l_n> Duggan: hello.[01:22:04] <Duggan> hey l_n would you happen to have any idea why trying to use strings is giving me a linker error?[01:22:19] *** Ziusudra has joined #haiku[01:22:22] <Duggan> hey Ziusudra[01:22:28] <l_n> dunno.. incompatible gcc versions?[01:22:43] <Ziusudra> hi[01:22:51] <Duggan> I'm on a gcc2 hybrid and as far as I know I've been using gcc2 the whole time[01:23:02] <ulrask> Duggan, no one's been seriously using basic since the 80's anyway[01:23:14] <Duggan> ulrask try visual basic.net[01:23:20] <ulrask> I prefer Amos thanks[01:24:12] <Duggan> can't say I've ever heard of anyone using it commercially, then again, can't say I've ever heard of it[01:24:57] <Ziusudra> YAB?[01:24:58] <ulrask> Many successful commercial software used it in the early 90's, especially video games.[01:26:13] <Duggan> Ziusudra, would you by any chance happen to have any idea as to why I'm getting a linker error when trying to use a string in my program?[01:26:59] <Ziusudra> maybe, what are you including?[01:27:09] <Duggan> <string>[01:27:14] <l_n> are you linking to libroot?[01:27:34] <Duggan> libroot.... lemme check[01:27:55] <Duggan> yes[01:28:12] <Ziusudra> YAB - Basic for Haiku - http://haikuware.com/directory/start-download/development/language/yab[01:29:12] *** l_n has quit IRC[01:29:48] <Duggan> does it compile to native?[01:31:25] <Duggan> ah ok its interpreted but it does run as a standalone, thats good[01:31:30] *** MrSunshine_ has joined #haiku[01:31:34] <Duggan> I might check it out someday[01:32:27] <Ziusudra> I haven't used it, haven't used Basic since my C64 days[01:33:29] <ulrask> I think it's more for people like me who discovered computering during the 8bits era and are too old to learn a new language nowdays than for people who already know or are still young enough to learn a modern language[01:35:49] <ulrask> Beside it doesn't target the same profile you developper. Back then without internet and which such a small market, there was a need for an easy language average computer user joe could master to write the apps he needed[01:36:20] <ulrask> Today there is a lot less devs and they are a lot smarter, and need languages more suited to them, like C[01:36:41] *** jmelesky has quit IRC[01:36:56] <Duggan> I started on a C64, and c++ is hardly new...[01:37:05] <Duggan> and its not about the language, its how you code in the language[01:37:38] <OmniMancer> I see[01:37:57] <OmniMancer> you will be writing us some lovely GUI programs in brainfuck then Duggan[01:37:59] <ulrask> C++ wasn't exactly mainstream on the C64, beside real skilled developpers used ASM, not basic[01:38:08] <Duggan> OmniMancer I prefer intercal :P[01:38:16] <OmniMancer> malbolge![01:38:46] <Duggan> ulrask I never said c++ was on the c64[01:38:50] <Duggan> lol OmniMancer[01:39:15] <Duggan> but you'll be hard pressed to find a job writing code for a c64 these days (unfortunately)[01:39:22] <Duggan> and x86 assembly never went anywhere[01:39:40] <Duggan> by that I mean its still there[01:39:56] <Duggan> if you want to write in assembly, go for it, there are plenty of free assemblers out there to use[01:40:00] <ulrask> Yup that's what I'm saying, basic was useful for a certain kind of computer user given a certain environement[01:40:28] <Duggan> just like vb.net is today[01:40:34] <ulrask> Nowdays, there is no need for average computer user to write it's own software, therefore no need for basic[01:40:40] *** Ziusudra has quit IRC[01:40:52] <Duggan> just like cobol was and fortran and any other programming language, thats why so many exist, because they're all better for something than something else[01:41:17] <Duggan> ulrask sure there is, theres plenty of handy utilities that can be thrown together in 5 minutes[01:41:46] <Duggan> learn c++, it'd be good for you[01:42:04] <ulrask> On the C64 I had wanted a paint program for instance. Without internet, it was extremly difficult to get one, if one ever existed[01:42:22] <ulrask> So I had to make my own even though I wasn't very skilled in that[01:42:31] <Duggan> I've written paint programs with vb well after the internet[01:43:03] *** yourpalal has joined #haiku[01:43:11] <ulrask> Now let's imagine someone who has it's first computer in 2010. Even if his OS doesn't come with paint, he can get one easily off the net, there is no need for him to write one[01:43:13] <Duggan> hey yourpalal[01:43:42] <yourpalal> Hi![01:44:01] <Duggan> I wonder if including libstdc++.r4.so would help...[01:44:32] <ulrask> Of course you can write one for fun Duggan, but the point is, the vast majority of people won't and will just use paintbrush or deluxe paint or whatever. Back at that time, it was easier to write one than to find one[01:45:15] <Duggan> ok, but I'm not a part of the majority, I'm a programmer and I enjoy it thoroughly[01:46:01] <Duggan> that did it.....[01:46:04] <ulrask> Yeah but being a programmer, you're passionate and can learn a complex language such as C++. Hell, maybe you even did study programming at school[01:46:09] <Duggan> have to include libstd++.r4.so to use strings[01:46:24] <Duggan> I have a bachelor's degree in computer science...[01:47:11] <ulrask> People like me, who are just user, we did some basic at the time out of necessity. But now that the necessity is gone, so is the need for basic.[01:47:48] <Duggan> for the most part yes, but there are still hobbyists[01:48:45] <ulrask> Beside at the time I was at school, maybe there was some master or PHD or fortran at best, but no one learned any other computer language, and not before master level I guess[01:51:36] <ulrask> Not many people from my generation could jump right ahead to something as complex as C, where current generation are practically born knowing how to use a computer and can get C++ training easily and don't "need" basic[01:57:49] <Duggan> like I said, c/c++ isn't complex, its what you do with it that is[01:59:13] <ulrask> I can make a frogger game in AMOS in 2 hours[01:59:40] <ulrask> including composing a (ugly) tune and drawing 3 or 4 sprites[02:00:07] <ulrask> In C++, I'd need double just to figure out how SDL work[02:00:47] *** bubsy_ has joined #haiku[02:01:16] *** bubsy has quit IRC[02:01:59] <ulrask> When I move a sprite in AMOS, it just moves, in SDL I gotta bother about a timer, I gotta "blit" (whatever that means) to actually display something, I gotta figure out how to set the sound file so it would load in sdl_mixer, and so on...[02:02:45] *** adriano-src has quit IRC[02:02:48] *** bubsy_ has quit IRC[02:03:12] *** LinuxKeitaro has quit IRC[02:03:16] <ulrask> Beside, I have to bother about finding a compiler, then an IDE, then a soundtracker (or equivalent, you can't do chiptunes on PCs) , then a drawing software... Amos includes all of those[02:04:03] <ulrask> And the worst is, there isn't even an amal in sdl, you have to animate the sprites yourself[02:05:33] <ulrask> There isn't even built in generic sounds and sprites to prototype your gameplay and see if it's actually fun to play before you take all the effort of turning your ideas into a full blown game[02:06:26] <Duggan> ulrask there are ways around most of that and as far as the last comment, yes, you can download free tilesets and sounds all over the internet[02:06:51] <Duggan> and no, chiptunes aren't as popular on pc's as they were on the c64, thats what wave files and mp3s and stuff are for[02:06:59] <Duggan> but there is sidplay...[02:08:31] <ulrask> Amos take 3 low density disk, about 2 megs, and have already sample sound and sprites built in ! If I get a free sound sample of the internet, it's gonna take me hour to find, download, figure out how to import it in sdl_mixer...[02:08:40] *** bubsy has joined #haiku[02:08:41] <ulrask> In amos, I just type "boom" or "bell" and that's it[02:09:14] <ulrask> It would take days just to make a tetris clone ![02:09:31] *** LinuxKeitaro has joined #haiku[02:10:08] <ulrask> And 10 different softwares[02:10:34] *** OlaHughson has quit IRC[02:10:37] <yourpalal> ulrask: I think you are confusing the scope of SDL, it is meant to be a low level cross-platform lib that one could build the type of things you are looking for on top of.[02:11:35] <ulrask> So I need even more softwares[02:11:58] <ulrask> I stand to my point then : C++ is made for smart people[02:13:28] <ulrask> Stupid people like me will only do C++ the day GCC come with a music and sound effect composer, a drawing software, an IDE, a debugger, built in generic sprites sounds and music, a sprite animator, all the libraries I would ever need, and so on...[02:13:56] <ulrask> And, please, all of that in less than 2 megs like AMOS does[02:14:50] <Duggan> ulrask the only reason you cite a lack of assets as a fault of c++ is because you're not interested enough in doing what you're talking about[02:15:07] <Duggan> if you were interested, you'd put forth the effort, simple as that[02:15:59] <ulrask> The effort would require ten times the time and the brain I've put learning basic. And I was much younger at the time.[02:16:11] <Duggan> I don't believe in "too stupid to learn"... there's only a lack of interest in learning[02:16:36] <yourpalal> ulrask: have you ever looked at Gambas? I think it has may features you are looking for[02:17:03] <Duggan> if you're not intersted in knowing, then you won't know, ever. if you're interested in learning nothing can stop you, the resources are there[02:17:53] <Duggan> you're perfectly capable of learning c++, the resources are there, you're perfectly capable of writing software 10x, 100x, 1000x+ better than you currently do, the resources are there[02:18:11] <ulrask> Duggan, I don't deny C++ is much more powerful, but the effort between learning C++ and basic are nothing comparable. With amos, I just boot the disk, wait less than a minute and I have a fully fonctional working environement[02:18:34] <ulrask> With C++ I would need a week just to get a work environment ready$[02:18:47] <Duggan> if its all you need then stick with it, but theres nothing limiting you to just that except you[02:18:50] <Duggan> ulrask thats not true at all[02:19:03] <Duggan> if you use windows, try dev-c++[02:19:14] <Duggan> its free and a decent ide[02:19:35] <ulrask> And where I need to learn to use only one software in Amos, I need to learn the use of many and how to make them communicate together in C++[02:20:02] <ulrask> I use Haiku, it's a free and decent OS[02:21:27] <ulrask> An IDE is not enough, I need a software to generate sound effect, another for music, another for animation, another for drawing. And then I need to learn how to make the library I use recognise the file format they use[02:21:55] <CIA-49> phoudoin * r37437 /haiku/trunk/src/ (3 files in 2 dirs):[02:21:55] <CIA-49> Fixed Size() and BytesRemaining() semantics, which was broken.[02:21:55] <CIA-49> Revert r33437, which was missing the root cause.[02:21:56] <CIA-49> Spotted by Christophe Huriaux, thanks.[02:21:56] <CIA-49> And welcome in contributors list![02:23:26] <Duggan> well if thats the only program you need, then stick with it, theres no need to learn anything else[02:23:54] *** Ziusudra has joined #haiku[02:25:15] <ulrask> Sure, my point was only this : basic isn't really used anymore 'cause the kind of people it targets don't exist in modern computer world. Now, people are either passionate or professional program writer, or plain user, there is no in between anymore[02:26:12] <yourpalal> what about python?[02:26:35] <ulrask> The first computer I ever bought was the ZX80, 1K memory, not a single way to save data, you turn it on, you get nothing but a basic prompt, there is nothing else in it[02:26:53] <yourpalal> I taught my self programming writing games with python[02:26:54] <ulrask> So no matter wether you enjoy writing code or not, you had no choice but to do so[02:28:11] <yourpalal> But people who didn't enjoy it would not spend the money/time on it, same as today. The big difference now is that many people are never exposed to programming, although they may enjoy it.[02:28:45] <ulrask> Haha I didn't buy the ZX because I wanted to program[02:29:08] <yourpalal> why buy something that you don't want to use?[02:29:18] <ulrask> I bought it because I was spending too much money on space invader and figured out maybe I could write something similar so I can stop wasting my money at the arcade[02:29:32] <yourpalal> Ah, you did want to program then![02:29:35] <ulrask> My goal was to play with what I create, not to create for itself[02:30:06] <ulrask> (and just so you know : it's impossible to make something even remotly similar with 1K of memory... pong was possible though)[02:30:53] <ulrask> Beside at the time if I knew exactly what I could and couldn't do with a ZX80 I probably wouldn't have bought it[02:31:44] *** Alam_Squeeze has joined #haiku[02:35:31] <yourpalal> ulrask: you might like this: http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/projects/kodu/[02:37:56] <Duggan> aww crap, no transparency? :'([02:38:17] <ulrask> Nah I'm good with my Amos, it's what best suited for me[02:39:04] <Duggan> does transparency only work with non-failsafe video drivers?[02:40:11] <ulrask> Still don't get me wrong, I'm happy that skilled people use C++ to make many of the good software I use, from Transport Tycoon to Haiku[02:40:23] <Duggan> I'm working on a control that I want to have a semi-transparent background, but its showing up as black...[02:41:16] <ulrask> And I'm grateful people like Duggan fuck their brain out trying to figure how to make those softwares I may enjoy using one day[02:41:46] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmadia[02:41:51] <mmadia> language, ulrask.[02:41:55] *** ChanServ sets mode: -o mmadia[02:42:14] <ulrask> Next time I use an app using a control on semi transparent background I'll think of you Duggan[02:42:51] <Duggan> lol thanks[02:43:40] <Duggan> actually, initially the background isn't displayed at all, but once the view is redrawn its redrawn to black[02:44:03] <Duggan> maybe I'll try a fillrect instead of a setviewcolor...[02:45:33] *** phoudoin_home has joined #haiku[02:51:38] *** nisstyre65 has quit IRC[02:55:43] *** sprma_ has joined #haiku[02:56:07] *** l_n has joined #haiku[02:57:43] *** sprma has quit IRC[02:57:43] *** sprma_ is now known as sprma[02:58:30] *** ulrask has quit IRC[03:01:05] *** twock has quit IRC[03:02:51] *** phoudoin_home has quit IRC[03:07:50] *** Geoz has quit IRC[03:19:56] *** _maniac_ has quit IRC[03:32:20] *** Leon9 has joined #haiku[03:34:16] <l_n> hrm.. my mom has been on about this 'soap nut' crap for a while. it's too bad i can't find any double-blind studies testing the actual efficacy of them.[03:36:06] *** yourpalal has quit IRC[03:44:37] <CIA-49> scottmc * r37438 /haiku/trunk/build/jam/OptionalPackages: Updated autoconf to version 2.66.[03:52:36] <Xeon3D> yo/[03:53:51] <Ziusudra> \oy[03:54:37] <Duggan> vey! \o/[03:55:30] *** l_n has quit IRC[03:55:58] <Xeon3D> how's everyone tonight? :D[03:56:15] <youngblkfamous> good, and you[03:56:28] <Duggan> attempting to eat what is quite possibly the most inefficient pasta ever created[03:57:05] <Duggan> shells[03:57:53] <OmniMancer> why inefficient?[03:58:38] <Xeon3D> I'm good. A bit bored, but good.[03:58:51] <Duggan> pasta efficiency is a ratio of the effort put into consumption vs amount consumed :P[03:59:13] <stpere> very complicated concept[03:59:18] <stpere> :P[03:59:43] <Duggan> shells are too hard to get on the damned fork...[04:00:06] <stpere> then don't[04:00:09] <stpere> use the food lift[04:00:35] <Duggan> wouldn't end well with the plate I was eating off of lol[04:00:47] <Duggan> and I had too many to fit in a bowl[04:01:15] <stpere> do you have flash in your browser?[04:01:21] <Duggan> no :([04:01:25] <stpere> :([04:01:27] <stpere> well[04:01:33] <stpere> anyway, it's just a funny video[04:01:48] <Duggan> a compilation of people dumping food on themselves? lol[04:01:53] <stpere> nah[04:02:04] <stpere> a endless screw to lift the food to your mouth[04:02:09] <stpere> for very weak people[04:02:09] <Duggan> lol[04:02:20] <Duggan> I'll have to look into that one[04:02:31] <stpere> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ug5U9uBi8uA[04:02:55] *** impy has quit IRC[04:04:06] <Duggan> I wonder what criteria do companies use to determine if an operating system is worth them porting their products to...[04:04:54] <stpere> Return on investment[04:04:56] <stpere> :)[04:05:06] <stpere> or I mean.. the bottom line[04:06:23] <Duggan> anybody happen to know why a control in my window isn't square if its width and height are the same?[04:08:42] *** impy has joined #haiku[04:10:29] *** Disreali has quit IRC[04:11:10] <Ziusudra> aspect ratio doesn't match monitor?[04:14:05] <Duggan> might be[04:14:37] <Ziusudra> you implied earlier you were using VESA[04:14:52] <Duggan> I am, forgot the aspect was off hehe[04:15:11] *** Sir_Konrad has joined #haiku[04:15:17] *** l_n has joined #haiku[04:15:51] <l_n> toddlers are not conducive to long uptimes with [net|note]books[04:16:22] *** Sir_Konrad has quit IRC[04:16:35] *** cnuke has quit IRC[04:16:39] *** cnuke has joined #haiku[04:20:37] *** judgen has quit IRC[04:22:10] *** judgen has joined #haiku[04:23:38] *** yourpalal has joined #haiku[04:24:07] *** judgen has quit IRC[04:24:36] *** judgen has joined #haiku[04:29:16] *** judgen_ has joined #haiku[04:29:27] *** judgen has quit IRC[04:30:17] *** judgen_ is now known as judgen[04:39:14] <l_n> foo.[04:39:31] <yourpalal> bar.[04:39:38] <l_n> baz?[04:40:01] <yourpalal> :P[04:40:15] <l_n> ...and now i think i'm going to kill a cyberdemon.[04:40:16] <DraX> quux![04:44:28] <Duggan> lol[04:46:01] <l_n> s/\(to\).*l/\1\ not kill/[04:47:09] <Duggan> can you set a View larger than the window that contains it?[04:47:10] <l_n> i got hit by a few too many rockets...[04:47:53] <Duggan> I just don't like how it clamps drawing code to its edges...[04:48:03] *** judgen has quit IRC[04:50:26] *** Macintech has joined #haiku[04:50:49] *** Nozy has quit IRC[04:51:03] *** Macintech has quit IRC[04:59:24] <OmniMancer> quux![04:59:26] *** Sir_Konrad has joined #haiku[04:59:28] *** Sir_Konrad has quit IRC[05:36:40] <Ziusudra> http://varnish-cache.org/docs/phk/autocrap/[05:44:13] <CIA-49> anevilyak * r529 /webkit/trunk/WebKitTools/haiku/build/BuildSettings: Add -fno-strict-aliasing to the build flags. Fixes Web+ instability on gcc 4.4. Thanks luroh for testing![05:44:55] <Duggan> Ziusudra hehe[05:47:48] *** Leon9 has quit IRC[05:56:58] *** matthias9 has quit IRC[05:57:38] *** mmlr has joined #haiku[05:58:00] *** mmlr has quit IRC[05:58:16] *** matthias9 has joined #haiku[05:59:24] *** _gringo has quit IRC[06:00:36] *** wry has joined #haiku[06:32:07] *** bbjimmy has joined #haiku[06:41:17] *** yourpalal has quit IRC[06:43:49] <bbjimmy> Anybody home?[06:46:58] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[07:45:07] *** symptom has joined #haiku[07:45:45] *** redblue has quit IRC[07:45:47] *** wry has left #haiku[07:52:08] *** Nozy has joined #haiku[07:56:23] <Advant> OmniMancer: you around?[07:59:31] *** Nozy has quit IRC[07:59:35] *** xray7224 has joined #haiku[08:03:58] <Duggan> holy crap.... does deskbar really need >1GB ram?....[08:05:01] *** symptom has quit IRC[08:05:29] <Ziusudra> depending on revision there was a memory leak that has been fixed[08:07:13] <Ziusudra> http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/37329[08:07:53] <DraX> fjtustughouerg[eorh[go9ergqpreogier9g[;onefbvn;grpiuhuowhrtjwqoghreoghe;lkjehtagae[08:11:41] <xray7224> I think my bugs been forgotten http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/6050 <--[08:13:23] *** youngblkfamous has quit IRC[08:16:50] <Ziusudra> strange, your graphics card isn't supported so it should be using VESA anyway[08:17:38] <OmniMancer> Advant: maybeee[08:19:14] <Advant> OmniMancer: Who you using for ISP? Telecom is canceling their unlimited plan, I'm going to have to find a new one[08:19:48] <Duggan> Ziusudra yep, thats the problem[08:20:02] <Advant> I bitch, but maybe $160NZD, sucks but what I might be paying for cable+internet in US[08:20:05] <Duggan> I'm on r37283[08:20:50] <xray7224> Ziusudra: :S[08:21:08] <Duggan> thats alot of time formatters...[08:21:12] <xray7224> Ziusudra: i have two graphics cards but i don't use one of them[08:22:24] <Duggan> ah the ole kill and restart seems to have worked[08:23:37] <Ziusudra> ah, yes, I see, one is supported and one is not[08:24:18] *** yourpalal has joined #haiku[08:31:30] <xray7224> Ziusudra: thanks for your reply on the ticket[08:39:07] <OmniMancer> Advant: I have telecom :P I don't have unlimited :P[08:39:07] *** redblue has joined #haiku[08:39:11] <Ziusudra> xray7224, is one card onboard?[08:39:17] <xray7224> yes[08:41:27] <Ziusudra> is there a BIOS setting to disable it?[08:44:03] *** lorglas has joined #haiku[08:45:13] <lorglas> hello[08:45:25] <Ziusudra> hello lorglas[08:46:27] <xray7224> Ziusudra: yes i think so[08:46:40] <xray7224> i enabled it because i was using both cards at one point[08:51:13] *** xray7224 has quit IRC[08:53:33] *** sigma_g has joined #haiku[09:03:10] *** odites has joined #haiku[09:12:08] *** Nozy has joined #haiku[09:12:22] *** Nozy has quit IRC[09:15:39] *** stroh has joined #haiku[09:16:05] *** veve-mao has joined #haiku[09:20:27] *** J-Ho has joined #haiku[09:46:37] *** slaye has joined #haiku[09:49:05] *** stroh has quit IRC[09:55:35] *** veve-mao has quit IRC[10:06:36] *** Tass_ has quit IRC[10:07:59] *** Tass_ has joined #haiku[10:09:47] *** phoudoin has joined #haiku[10:09:47] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o phoudoin[10:10:02] <phoudoin> Hi guys[10:13:17] *** CK|iPod has joined #haiku[10:18:09] <Ziusudra> hi phoudoin[10:20:59] <mmu_screen> plop[10:27:59] *** oco2 has joined #haiku[10:43:32] *** Shisui has joined #haiku[10:46:41] *** iIngenu has joined #haiku[10:47:32] <Duggan> so if I hide a BControl, its ViewColor is still displayed, is there a way around that?[10:48:05] *** marc_smith has joined #haiku[10:48:17] *** oco2 has quit IRC[10:48:52] *** oco2 has joined #haiku[10:49:23] <OmniMancer> don't hide it then it will be shown instead :P[10:55:49] <phoudoin> Duggan: I fail to understand. You hide a BControl, but it's still visible, right?[10:56:00] <phoudoin> His area is not invalidated?[10:57:46] * marc_smith wonders if it's possible to port PF to Haiku[10:58:04] * marc_smith thinks it would be a good idea for a firewall system + GUI[11:02:43] <phoudoin> PF = ?[11:03:24] <phoudoin> damn, another friday's unscheduled meeting[11:03:27] <phoudoin> be back later[11:03:59] <Vroomfondle> packetfilter?[11:04:21] <Duggan> phoudoin yes, the fill color is, the rest of it doesn't draw though[11:04:21] <Duggan> sorry[11:07:55] *** LinuxKeitaro has quit IRC[11:08:23] <OmniMancer> marc_smith: you do understand firewalls are meant to be secure?[11:10:01] *** Trezker has quit IRC[11:10:26] *** Trezker has joined #haiku[11:16:13] *** Ziusudra has quit IRC[11:16:54] <yourpalal> goodnight all[11:21:01] <Duggan> g'night yourpalal[11:21:17] *** sprma has quit IRC[11:21:44] *** yourpalal has quit IRC[11:23:49] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[11:27:36] *** dru345 has joined #haiku[11:30:45] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[11:38:50] <marc_smith> PF from BSDs[11:38:55] <marc_smith> that;s what I meant ;)[11:38:57] *** CK|iPod has quit IRC[11:39:21] <marc_smith> it would make a great firewall system for haiku and there would be a chance to write some GUI apps to use one, single spec[11:39:38] <marc_smith> Haiku is using many parts of BSD anuway[11:43:17] *** oco2 has quit IRC[11:48:53] <OmniMancer> PF being?[11:52:16] <marshan> packet filter[12:02:06] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[12:07:11] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[12:38:11] *** stroh has joined #haiku[12:39:58] <phoudoin> Duggan, regarding the BControl hidding issue, I will look at the parent view, and its color. Maybe it's B_TRANSPARENT_COLOR, hence why the hide region invalidation don't redraw anything...[12:40:25] <phoudoin> except that in if was the case, the control will be still displayed.[12:40:45] <phoudoin> Nevermind, that was idiot guessing[12:45:02] *** mmlr has joined #haiku[12:47:16] *** OmniMancer1 has joined #haiku[12:47:26] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[12:49:15] *** mmlr has quit IRC[12:50:39] <Duggan> phoudoin the parent view's color is set the the default haiku blue, the control's fillcolor is set to a grey[12:51:40] <Duggan> because its a (more or less) virtual class and its display is just a placeholder[12:51:58] <Duggan> if I Hide() it, the drawing on top of it goes away but the fillcolor is still present[12:52:20] <Duggan> I can get around it by leaving the fillcolor default and just FillRect instead during the Draw() function[12:57:14] <Duggan> also, how do I force a redraw? Invalidate() and Flush() don't seem to work...[13:03:05] *** odites has quit IRC[13:03:10] <Duggan> and SetOrigin() is crashing my program :([13:28:24] *** brobostigon has joined #haiku[13:28:54] <brobostigon> afternoonings all.[13:39:21] <Disreali> morning[13:39:23] <Hodapp> morning[13:39:39] <brobostigon> hi Disreali and Hodapp[13:40:42] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[13:50:33] *** stroh has quit IRC[13:54:11] *** oco2 has joined #haiku[13:58:19] *** stroh has joined #haiku[14:00:03] *** Shisui has quit IRC[14:02:49] *** oco2 has quit IRC[14:02:57] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[14:09:58] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[14:24:38] *** oco2 has joined #haiku[14:25:28] <CIA-49> anevilyak * r37439 /haiku/trunk/build/jam/OptionalPackages: Update WebPositive to r529 to bring it inline with recent layout kit changes.[14:41:00] *** odites has joined #haiku[14:41:03] *** laplace7 has joined #haiku[14:41:53] *** Geoz has joined #haiku[15:08:53] <OmniMancer1> hi[15:12:16] *** lorglas has quit IRC[15:13:21] *** acous has joined #haiku[15:14:23] *** oco2 has quit IRC[15:19:59] *** idefix_dommel has joined #haiku[15:22:17] *** tqh has joined #haiku[15:22:21] *** idefix_dommel has left #haiku[15:25:43] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[15:28:05] *** Alam_Squeeze has quit IRC[15:30:53] *** LoganA has quit IRC[15:34:39] *** laplace7 has quit IRC[15:42:20] *** idefix_dommel has joined #haiku[15:52:39] *** _gringo has joined #haiku[15:52:47] *** nisstyre65 has joined #haiku[15:53:34] *** nisstyre65 has quit IRC[15:53:56] *** Ola has joined #haiku[15:54:24] *** Ola is now known as Guest51015[15:54:33] *** Guest51015 is now known as OlaHughson[15:55:22] <CIA-49> anevilyak * r37440 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/network/libnetapi/DynamicBuffer.cpp:[15:55:22] <CIA-49> Fix missing space.[15:55:22] <CIA-49> Fix file being in CR/LF format.[16:03:52] *** oZ] has joined #haiku[16:07:50] *** Hubert_ has joined #haiku[16:07:59] <gluon> is the bezilla port dead?[16:08:28] <tqh> yes pretty much[16:13:40] *** bbjimmy has joined #haiku[16:25:48] *** tqh has quit IRC[16:26:58] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[16:28:13] *** l_n has quit IRC[16:29:28] *** acous has quit IRC[16:34:48] *** l_n has joined #haiku[16:37:12] *** ianj|O has joined #haiku[16:42:35] *** idefix_xifedi has quit IRC[16:44:46] *** The123king has joined #haiku[16:44:46] *** The123king has joined #haiku[16:51:01] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[16:58:26] *** raichoo has joined #haiku[16:59:49] *** oxoocoffee has joined #haiku[17:01:18] *** brobostigon has quit IRC[17:04:15] *** l_n has quit IRC[17:09:08] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[17:12:53] *** raichoo has quit IRC[17:18:49] *** raichoo has joined #haiku[17:21:56] *** michaelvo has joined #haiku[17:23:28] <mmadia> heya humdinger , did you catch that bash script on haiku-commits?[17:23:42] <humdinger> yes. Thanks![17:23:53] <humdinger> I'm sorry you have to keep claening up after me... :)[17:24:00] *** OmniMancer1 has quit IRC[17:24:12] <mmadia> nah, it's cool.[17:24:42] <mmadia> i made that script a while back while looking for random html files in the tree.[17:25:04] <humdinger> I just asked Vincent if he you incorporate something like that in his script that I use when exporting the userguide.[17:26:04] <humdinger> "you"?? I swear I typed "could"...[17:26:46] <mmadia> heh :)[17:26:51] <humdinger> I notice that I keep mistyping the simplest things...[17:26:58] <humdinger> I may start to lose it...[17:27:03] *** _gringo has quit IRC[17:27:16] <mmadia> i didn't even notice it ; my caffeine level's too low.[17:27:51] <humdinger> The brain is a wonderful thing.[17:30:44] <humdinger> Anyone running on a intel extreme 2 (i945GME)?[17:30:47] *** xray7224 has joined #haiku[17:33:42] <luroh> humdinger: Display controller [0380]: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:27a6] (rev 03) ?[17:34:28] <humdinger> mine is 27ae. but close enough, maybe.[17:34:36] <luroh> ah[17:34:39] <humdinger> Do you see problems in gradients?[17:34:54] <luroh> yes, i think we have a ticket for that[17:35:02] <humdinger> It may also be my LCD panel...[17:35:06] <humdinger> oh ok[17:35:20] <luroh> *searching*[17:36:36] <humdinger> http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/5214[17:36:39] <humdinger> I won![17:36:40] <humdinger> :)[17:36:45] <luroh> indeed :)[17:37:04] <humdinger> I even commented on that one...[17:38:07] <humdinger> That really sucks a bit. Many widgets/windows on my netbook have a slight blueish border.[17:38:45] <luroh> perhaps Axel can have a look at it at the next BG, it's difficult to do something about it without being able to reproduce it[17:38:48] <luroh> yeah[17:39:13] <humdinger> I plan to take my regular notebook and the netbook with me this time.[17:40:03] <luroh> i'll bring mine as well[17:41:06] <humdinger> Alright. Then we can take turns holding axel down until it's fixed.[17:41:42] <luroh> haha[17:42:05] <humdinger> I'm not joking.[17:42:13] <humdinger> OK, I am.. :)[17:43:10] <luroh> i believe it used to work at some point[17:43:45] <luroh> i think i remember chasing down the commit that broke things but it was a pretty huge one, iirc[17:44:12] <humdinger> I think so too. At least I didn't notice it before... I also tried a revision before the intel driver was touched last, but that showed the same thing.[17:44:54] <humdinger> The one I tried was fairly recent: r37184[17:45:26] <luroh> the breakage is older than r1a1, i think[17:46:09] <humdinger> oh[17:46:47] <luroh> strange that i can't find any note about my regression testing though...[17:47:47] <luroh> i think it happened around the time when the new driver architecture was introduced[17:48:46] <humdinger> that was quite some time ago. Can't even remember...[17:48:53] <humdinger> That makes it at least a year.[17:49:02] <humdinger> Everything before that becomes blurry....[17:49:16] <luroh> yeah[17:50:11] <CIA-49> stippi * r37441 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/network/wlan/broadcom43xx/dev/bwi/if_bwi_pci.c:[17:50:11] <CIA-49> Patch by Kaliber: Supported device list was missing terminator. Fixes ticket[17:50:11] <CIA-49> #6286. Thanks![17:59:29] *** MasterStarman has quit IRC[18:01:34] *** Shisui has joined #haiku[18:02:47] *** stroh has quit IRC[18:04:00] *** yourpalal has joined #haiku[18:05:00] *** jmelesky has joined #haiku[18:08:40] *** warpdesign_ has quit IRC[18:17:39] *** idefix_xifedi has quit IRC[18:21:37] *** humdinger has quit IRC[18:28:09] <CIA-49> scottmc * r906 /haikuports/trunk/media-libs/ (giflib/giflib-4.1.6.bep giflib): Initial .bep file for giflib, thanks to michaelvoliveira.[18:31:53] *** [Katisu] has quit IRC[18:32:41] *** [Katisu] has joined #haiku[18:36:40] *** mmlr has joined #haiku[18:40:11] *** J-Ho has left #haiku[18:44:12] *** Barrett has quit IRC[18:47:36] *** _gringo has joined #haiku[18:49:30] *** Alam_Squeeze has joined #haiku[18:53:01] *** iIngenu has quit IRC[18:54:50] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[18:58:41] *** OlaHughson has quit IRC[18:59:07] *** luroh has quit IRC[19:05:10] *** veve-mao has joined #haiku[19:08:13] *** idefix_xifedi has quit IRC[19:11:08] <CIA-49> jackburton * r37442 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/interface/Menu.cpp:[19:11:08] <CIA-49> Renamed attachAborted to addAborted[19:11:08] <CIA-49> Use fAttachAborted in AttachedToWindow().[19:11:45] *** Ingenu has joined #haiku[19:20:42] <CIA-49> jackburton * r37443 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/mail/ (Jamfile regex.c): regex.c is already in libroot[19:24:18] <gluon> is is too difficult to port XUL/Mozilla? Why is Bezilla dead?[19:25:07] <gluon> Though I'm fine with web+ maybe supporting a current version of firefox would bring many new users into haiku[19:25:29] <stpere> gluon: the current version of firefox won't stay current for long[19:25:38] <stpere> would it be firefox 4?[19:25:41] <ianj|O> it's a shame that firefox is a condition for so many people[19:25:53] <ianj|O> it's really a lowest common denominator browser[19:26:19] <ianj|O> yet people think it's amazing and won't use something that doesn't have it...[19:26:53] <gluon> stpere: I agree, they're always upgrading. This is even an issue for stable releases like Debian Lenny when it comes down to security fixes[19:27:25] *** judgen has joined #haiku[19:27:45] <gluon> ianj|O: yeah :([19:32:11] *** michaelvo has quit IRC[19:36:52] *** luroh has joined #haiku[19:46:20] *** Disreali has quit IRC[19:47:35] *** dru345 has quit IRC[19:48:14] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[19:48:15] *** dru345 has joined #haiku[19:49:27] <judgen> waka waka eh eh! Zaminamina zangalewa![19:49:28] <judgen> =D[19:50:17] *** mmadia has quit IRC[19:50:44] *** yourpalal has quit IRC[19:51:22] <CIA-49> jackburton * r37444 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/mediaplayer/media_node_framework/audio/AudioChannelConverter.cpp: missing return[19:54:10] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[19:54:35] *** veve-mao has quit IRC[19:57:33] *** dflemstr has joined #haiku[19:57:33] <judgen> Bananas?[20:00:36] *** judgen has quit IRC[20:04:06] *** idefix_dommel has left #haiku[20:11:12] *** impy has quit IRC[20:11:21] *** veve-mao has joined #haiku[20:11:57] *** bubsy has quit IRC[20:13:01] *** judgen has joined #haiku[20:14:28] *** LoganA has joined #haiku[20:14:29] *** judgen has quit IRC[20:15:59] *** LoganA has quit IRC[20:16:13] *** LoganA has joined #haiku[20:17:43] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[20:20:30] *** ziomatto has joined #haiku[20:21:23] *** judgen has joined #haiku[20:21:51] *** _gringo has quit IRC[20:22:16] *** LoganA has quit IRC[20:23:48] *** judgen has quit IRC[20:23:51] 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oxoocoffee has quit IRC[21:46:03] <luroh> nothing new, just some build fixes[21:46:07] <kallisti5> it's been over one hundered revisions since i last ran it[21:46:19] <luroh> well, in that case... :)[21:47:09] <kallisti5> settings dialog looks a lot better :)[21:47:29] <kallisti5> so how about linking to haikufire.com in the pre-packaged favs? :D[21:48:17] <luroh> what favs come with web+ now?[21:48:39] <kallisti5> HaikuPorts, Haikuware, osDrawer.net, Zeta Games[21:49:03] <luroh> ok, yeah, +1 from me then[21:49:15] *** Hubert_ has quit IRC[21:49:33] <kallisti5> here: super secret[21:49:39] <kallisti5> http://picasaweb.google.com/kallisti05/HaikuFire20#[21:49:52] <kallisti5> oh.. except for the chat logs.. ;)[21:50:31] <luroh> ooh, shiny :)[21:51:03] <kallisti5> yeah.. decided to switch to rails[21:51:19] <kallisti5> ... although i hate things changing every version[21:51:31] <CIA-49> jackburton * r37445 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/interface/Menu.cpp:[21:51:31] <CIA-49> Move assigments a bit earlier, so they aren't done at every loop.[21:51:31] <CIA-49> Thanks to Sean Bailey for watching after me.[21:51:51] <CIA-49> jackburton * r37446 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/midi/SoftSynth.cpp: Fix warnings[21:52:08] <CIA-49> jackburton * r37447 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/interface/Jamfile: Remove unused define[21:52:39] <kallisti5> are there known performance issues in webpositive r529? it's really slow for me[21:53:03] <CIA-49> jackburton * r37448 /haiku/trunk/build/jam/BuildSetup: Enable WError for midi, midi2 and print kits (tested with both gcc2 and gcc4)[21:53:42] <luroh> hm, a compiler optimization has been removed but i didn't notice any obvious difference[21:53:53] <luroh> i have not run any benchmarks though[21:53:58] <kallisti5> seems to be slow loading images[21:54:30] <kallisti5> example: a series of 32x32 images.. each takes ~ 18 seconds to load in order[21:54:51] *** impy has quit IRC[21:54:54] <luroh> 18 seconds for each image?[21:55:07] <kallisti5> yeah.. when their only 32px its pretty slow :)[21:55:29] <kallisti5> well, i prob should ignore it for now[21:55:32] <luroh> can't be that compiler flag then :P[21:55:52] <kallisti5> it may be becasue I installed optional pacakges version then wget'ed the dl above[21:56:06] <kallisti5> then installed the zip over the installoptionalpacakge version[21:56:27] <kallisti5> (installoptionalpacakge will be known as iop from now on.. thats too much typing ;) )[21:56:28] <luroh> ah, could be, may want to clean out the old install and config files[21:57:04] <luroh> +1 for an iop alias :)[21:58:11] *** Xbertl has joined #haiku[22:02:02] <luroh> kallisti5: just a thought, how about making software the main/first category instead of news[22:02:50] <kallisti5> luroh: well. the news section also has a splash[22:03:01] <kallisti5> luroh: let me grab a screenshot of it[22:03:50] <kallisti5> luroh: http://picasaweb.google.com/kallisti05/HaikuFire20#5492000314716106194[22:04:14] <luroh> ah[22:04:31] <luroh> still, perhaps worth considering[22:04:47] <luroh> whether that's good or bad of course depends on what people come looking for, and what would attract them[22:04:56] <kallisti5> hm.. something is up with web positive[22:05:08] <kallisti5> removed all dirs and reunziped the app[22:05:12] <kallisti5> still slow as crap[22:05:37] <luroh> including your home/config/settings/etc.....[22:05:42] <kallisti5> after pressing enter, it sits forever at 5% status bar filled with the stop icon gray[22:05:46] <kallisti5> luroh: yeah[22:05:48] <luroh> hm[22:06:29] <luroh> if you can give me an url, i'll fire up vmware and try it here[22:06:38] <kallisti5> WP is also using almost 0 cpu while loading[22:07:53] <kallisti5> hmm.. only seems to happen on a RoR server on my local network[22:08:26] <luroh> however strange, that would explain things[22:09:59] <kallisti5> hmm.. i wonder if it's because the ror app is html5?[22:10:23] <luroh> can you try bezilla?[22:10:30] *** Ziusudra has joined #haiku[22:10:56] <luroh> or wget for that matter[22:11:03] <kallisti5> yeah.. checking now with bezilla[22:12:13] *** cherrypai has quit IRC[22:13:13] * kallisti5 retracts his statement.. slow on bezilla also[22:13:24] <kallisti5> weird.. no other systems have this problem though[22:13:47] <luroh> hm, might be a general networking problem then...does wget behave the same?[22:13:52] * kallisti5 eyeballs the network switch at his desk this machine is plugged into and jiggles the handle[22:14:21] <Skipp_OSX> or just `ping www.yahoo.com` from Terminal[22:14:35] <kallisti5> Skipp_OSX: :)[22:14:52] <kallisti5> no other sites have the problem... just this one on a local box[22:15:49] <kallisti5> wait... other windows box is doing it also.. sigh[22:15:52] <kallisti5> n/m[22:15:59] * kallisti5 slinks off into a corner[22:16:03] *** Duggan has quit IRC[22:22:07] *** judgen has quit IRC[22:22:27] *** AlexFera has joined #haiku[22:23:32] <kallisti5> oh wait... the slow speeds only start after viewing the page with WebPositive[22:24:54] <luroh> RoR probably gets chocked by the awsomeness of Web+[22:24:59] <kallisti5> oh crap[22:25:06] <kallisti5> Web+ is leaving connections open[22:25:08] *** Shisui has quit IRC[22:25:23] <kallisti5> after loading the page, every connection is still marked as "estabilshed" on the Linux box[22:25:34] <luroh> ah, nice find[22:25:36] <yourpalal> uh-oh[22:26:16] <kallisti5> even after closing the browser I still have time-wait connections open.[22:26:19] <kallisti5> fancy[22:28:00] <PulkoMandy> report the bug then[22:30:04] <luroh> i confirm, netstat is full of time-wait[22:32:18] *** yourpalal has quit IRC[22:37:37] *** Shisui has joined #haiku[22:40:15] <kallisti5> PulkoMandy: on haiku trac?[22:40:48] <luroh> yes, there is a web+ category now[22:40:57] *** The123king has quit IRC[22:41:30] <kallisti5> k[22:42:51] *** Meanwhile has joined #haiku[22:46:30] *** yourpalal has joined #haiku[22:46:55] *** Ziusudra has quit IRC[22:46:59] <kallisti5> http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/6290 created to address stale connection issue[22:48:02] *** JoeyA has joined #haiku[22:50:44] *** _gringo has joined #haiku[22:51:39] *** oZ] has quit IRC[22:59:08] *** JoeyA has quit IRC[22:59:34] *** franco01_ has joined #haiku[22:59:39] <luroh> franco01_: i'd try a different mouse[23:00:07] <luroh> or perhaps try connecting it via a usb hub, if you happen to have one[23:01:05] <franco01_> Hi people! Sorry, disabling DMA and with Vesa mode I successed to boot Haiku on a hp Compaq nx8220 notebook.There is only a problem... the Trust usb mouse does not work. what can I do?[23:01:23] *** marc_smith has quit IRC[23:01:47] <franco01_> luroh at the moment I haven't another mouse but a hub yes (for 6 usb port)[23:02:03] <luroh> might be worth trying[23:03:45] *** AlexFera has quit IRC[23:04:26] <franco01_> Yes I have to try, on bebits I found this driver http://www.bebits.com/app/3202 what do you think?[23:04:58] <luroh> no, i'd bet it is of absolutely no use[23:05:15] *** ziomatto has quit IRC[23:09:15] <kallisti5> franco01_: generally Be drivers aren't much use[23:09:34] *** Barrett_ has joined #haiku[23:09:57] <franco01_> ah ok I will follow your suggestion. Yes kallisti5 is it a shame that there are not drivers for usb mouse... it's strange[23:13:03] <luroh> franco01_: just curious, does the touchpad work?[23:14:12] <franco01_> luroh: no the touchpad does not work!!! Neither with Knoppix. It's strange because usb pen works fine in Haiku, and a simple cable mouse not...:-([23:14:31] <luroh> hm, interesting[23:15:10] <franco01_> According to you it depends from the settings that I set on the Haiku boot session?[23:15:18] <yourpalal> I was so happy when I plugged in my wacom to find that it worked out of the box with wonderbrush![23:15:32] <yourpalal> (sorry for offtopic :P)[23:16:05] <franco01_> yourpalal: be happy! I found many drivers for wacom[23:16:18] <luroh> franco01_: that should not affect usb, i don't think[23:16:23] <PulkoMandy> interrupt problem maybe ?[23:17:12] <luroh> well, i guess you can try disabling ACPI[23:17:56] <franco01_> By default the boot session set a property automatically. I don't remember if is ACPI. I tried with and without but the same thing happens. I have to try![23:17:57] *** LinuxKeitaro has joined #haiku[23:18:25] *** AlexFera has joined #haiku[23:19:43] <luroh> yeah, IO-APIC is disabled by default[23:21:45] <franco01_> ah interesting, on my old pc this not happens![23:22:09] <luroh> same mouse?[23:22:38] <franco01_> not is a ps/2 mouse[23:23:44] *** odites has quit IRC[23:24:43] *** Andrius has quit IRC[23:27:42] <franco01_> Ok luroh and PulkoMandy since I use this with Windows now I have to try to reboot with Haiku cd. thank you very much!! I will let you know[23:27:56] <luroh> good luck :)[23:28:11] *** franco01_ has left #haiku[23:29:21] *** judgen has joined #haiku[23:29:28] *** tm512 has joined #haiku[23:30:23] <tm512> well, it's been a while, time to see how my netbook is supported now[23:31:31] <tm512> do we have WPA support now?[23:31:57] <luroh> no, unencrypted and WEP only[23:33:38] <tm512> ok, figured[23:38:59] <tm512> so my netbook has a GMA 3150, and last time i tried running haiku on it, i got 800x600 instead of 1024x600 like i was supposed to[23:39:12] <helf> probably running in VESA mode[23:39:17] <tm512> any ideas if that might have been fixed[23:39:20] <tm512> yeah it was[23:39:24] <tm512> hi helf[23:39:31] *** Skipp_OSX has quit IRC[23:39:34] <helf> i dont think you can run it at 1024x600 in VESA[23:39:37] <helf> but i could be wrong[23:39:48] <helf> so if the video chipset isnt actually supported then I guess you would be out of luck.[23:40:31] <tm512> :/[23:41:03] <mmadia> there has been some work in the intel_extreme[23:41:26] <tm512> that's promising, i'll have to check it out[23:47:23] <kallisti5> for what it's worth.. ATI radeon chipsets work awesome[23:48:55] *** judgen has quit IRC[23:51:39] <tm512> im going to end up killing my flash drive with all these reads/writes :P[23:54:28] *** Meanwhile has quit IRC[23:55:35] <luroh> tm512: i remember you trying to get that 3150 going some months ago[23:56:01] <luroh> don't get your hopes up, i haven't seen anyone adding support for that chipset yet[23:57:11] <tm512> ok[23:57:33] <tm512> and yes, it was like 2.5 months ago[23:57:44] <luroh> come to BG this october, bring your laptop :)[23:58:02] <tm512> lol[23:58:37] <tm512> where is BG?[23:58:51] <luroh> Düsseldorf, Germany[23:59:23] <tm512> yeah...[23:59:33] <tm512> wouldnt be able to make it there :P[23:59:52] <luroh> send your laptop :P