July 8, 2010 
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July 8, 2010 [00:03:05] *** Malmis has joined #haiku[00:03:09] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[00:03:49] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[00:09:49] *** Malmis has quit IRC[00:11:10] *** bubsy has quit IRC[00:11:29] *** LinuxKeitaro has joined #haiku[00:11:57] *** Malmis has joined #haiku[00:16:51] *** l_n has quit IRC[00:16:51] *** l_n has joined #haiku[00:18:30] *** Shisui has quit IRC[00:19:38] *** Jondice has joined #haiku[00:19:46] *** wry has joined #haiku[00:19:56] *** wry has quit IRC[00:21:55] *** Mixer has quit IRC[00:22:20] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[00:22:55] *** Beyecixramd has quit IRC[00:23:58] *** bubsy has joined #haiku[00:27:39] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[00:28:06] <dru345> date / time data stored in BFS as an offset from an epoch, yes?[00:28:07] *** yourpalal has quit IRC[00:28:22] *** Mixer has quit IRC[00:28:40] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[00:35:58] *** Leon9 has joined #haiku[00:40:00] *** idefix_xifedi has quit IRC[00:41:53] * OmniMancer shrug[00:42:00] *** judgen has quit IRC[00:42:51] <brobostigon> night all, sleep well.[00:43:39] *** brobostigon has quit IRC[00:46:16] *** Barrett has quit IRC[00:46:46] *** Mixer has quit IRC[00:47:12] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[00:47:51] <geist> dru345: pretty sure, yeah[00:48:21] <dru345> ok[00:51:36] *** judgen has joined #haiku[00:52:48] *** yourpalal has joined #haiku[00:53:13] <dru345> hello yourpalal, judgen[00:53:50] <l_n> anybody want to help test a networked doom port? (any of the commercial wads will do)[00:55:42] <yourpalal> hello dru345[00:56:47] *** Andrius has quit IRC[00:56:53] *** raichoo has quit IRC[00:57:18] *** Mixer has quit IRC[00:57:45] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[01:00:55] <judgen> hi dru345[01:05:05] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[01:05:46] *** Mixer has quit IRC[01:06:15] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[01:07:01] *** saivert has quit IRC[01:10:38] * OmniMancer can at some point maybe, but not now[01:11:10] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[01:12:15] *** Mixer has quit IRC[01:12:30] *** saivert has joined #haiku[01:12:42] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[01:18:03] *** judgen has quit IRC[01:19:10] *** highzeth has quit IRC[01:19:31] *** highzeth has joined #haiku[01:23:29] *** Barrett has quit IRC[01:24:47] *** Mixer has quit IRC[01:26:26] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[01:30:06] *** LoganA has quit IRC[01:31:43] *** LoganA has joined #haiku[01:34:27] *** Mixer has quit IRC[01:36:11] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[01:36:30] *** OlaHughson has quit IRC[01:37:36] <Duggan> hi all[01:37:58] * Disreali has returned[01:38:05] <Disreali> l_[01:38:16] <Disreali> l_n; you here?[01:39:43] *** yourpalal has quit IRC[01:40:25] *** LeandroLuiz has joined #haiku[01:42:06] <jmayfield> hi[01:42:12] *** Mixer has quit IRC[01:45:03] <l_n> Disreali: yes, i am.[01:45:17] * l_n was looking at pwads on doomwadstation.com[01:46:26] <CIA-49> darkwyrm * r37423 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/terminal/Shell.cpp: No longer set the SHELL variable. This fixes problems with starting gdb and other apps in a new Terminal window[01:46:37] <Disreali> I'll reboot to a 4h build and test out doom[01:46:55] <Disreali> brb[01:46:58] *** Disreali has quit IRC[01:52:18] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[01:53:07] <jmayfield> so...[01:53:15] <l_n> fa...[01:53:44] <jmayfield> dont you mean la?[01:55:16] <l_n> yeah.. i realized that after the fact[01:55:28] *** MrSunshine__ has quit IRC[02:02:17] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[02:03:34] *** strohi has quit IRC[02:05:06] *** acous has quit IRC[02:06:47] *** x-pilot has quit IRC[02:08:52] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[02:09:24] <dru345> hi OmniMancer[02:10:23] *** Mixer has quit IRC[02:10:47] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[02:14:18] *** Leon9 has quit IRC[02:31:13] <l_n> chocolate doom multiplayer works. :)[02:31:27] <stpere> nice :D[02:32:49] <l_n> ...and it's on haikuware.com[02:35:17] <stpere> hah, not the first one to try :)[02:35:27] <Disreali> there seem to be mouse issues with chocolate doom, but it works very well[02:36:50] *** Mixer has quit IRC[02:37:19] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[02:40:19] *** jmelesky has quit IRC[02:43:18] <l_n> http://www.doomwadstation/idgames/ is a mirror of the old idgames dir on ftp.cdrom.com with a massive amount of PWADs[02:44:23] <l_n> http://www.chocolate-doom.org/wiki/index.php/Command_line_arguments as well should be helpful[02:44:40] * l_n is idle: playing with my son.[02:47:30] *** Mixer has quit IRC[02:49:20] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[02:49:26] * l_n is idle: BRB[02:49:28] <l_n> ...[02:49:30] * l_n has returned[02:49:38] *** bbjimmy has joined #haiku[02:50:21] <l_n> Disreali: did you enable the mouse in chocolate-setup ?[02:50:30] <Disreali> yes[02:51:45] <l_n> was the problem not being able to turn?[02:51:55] <Disreali> yes[02:52:19] <Disreali> though I'll have to test it more to see if that was all[02:52:56] <l_n> i'll post the libtoolize'd and edited source if you want..[02:55:20] *** Mixer has quit IRC[02:57:17] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[03:16:03] *** CyberKitsune has joined #haiku[03:19:53] *** Disreali has quit IRC[03:21:19] *** Mixer has quit IRC[03:24:22] *** Megaf has joined #haiku[03:26:04] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[03:29:30] *** CyberKitsune has quit IRC[03:34:04] *** Mixer has quit IRC[03:34:23] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[03:39:35] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[03:51:49] <Xeon3D> evenin'[03:54:39] <dru345> hi Xeon3D o/[03:56:32] *** Mixer has quit IRC[03:57:06] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[03:59:42] <dru345> what VM has Xeon3D added to his collection today?[04:00:12] <Xeon3D> none :([04:00:50] *** CyberKitsune has joined #haiku[04:05:07] *** Mixer has quit IRC[04:05:57] <dru345> that's too bad Xeon3D[04:06:16] *** sprma has joined #haiku[04:07:53] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[04:08:45] <Xeon3D> yeah i've been kinda off the last few days[04:09:08] *** sprma has quit IRC[04:12:15] *** LeandroLuiz has quit IRC[04:19:25] *** Barrett has quit IRC[04:20:51] <Duggan> hey dru345, Xeon3D, *[04:21:08] <Xeon3D> hi Duggan[04:21:14] <l_n> hello, Duggan.[04:21:24] <Duggan> hey l_n[04:22:15] <Xeon3D> dru345: I preety much slept all day, and here @ work the internet is anything but stable[04:23:31] *** jmayfield has quit IRC[04:25:35] *** CyberKitsune has quit IRC[04:33:19] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[04:39:06] *** yourpalal has joined #haiku[04:39:13] <Duggan> hey yourpalal[04:39:41] <yourpalal> hi Duggan, how is your project coming?[04:41:12] *** bbjimmy has joined #haiku[04:41:19] <Duggan> its not right now[04:41:44] <Duggan> I'm thoroughly fried after last night, might try again later tonight, I don't know yet[04:41:55] <l_n> wanna play doom? ;)[04:42:14] <Duggan> hehe I would but I haven't moved my wads over yet[04:42:37] <Duggan> and I'm not feeling so great so too much excitement probably wouldn't be good for me right now hehe[04:42:41] <Duggan> is it working good?[04:43:05] <l_n> except for mouse control[04:43:09] <Duggan> ah[04:43:32] <Duggan> I wish I could figure out how to compile simutrans :/[04:43:42] <Duggan> not that I LIKE simutrans, but it looks like it'd be fun if I could figure it out lol[04:44:45] <l_n> there's a prebuilt version...for haiku.[04:44:51] <Duggan> there is?[04:45:04] <l_n> http://sourceforge.net/projects/simutrans/files/Simutrans%20complete/102-2-2/simuhaiku-complete-102-2-2.zip/download[04:45:06] <Duggan> last time I checked haikuware it didn't work[04:45:24] *** Mixer has quit IRC[04:45:25] <l_n> that's from the official sf.net page (as you can see)[04:45:26] <Duggan> sweet, thanks[04:45:44] <l_n> requires SDL or Allegro[04:45:50] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[04:46:02] <Duggan> yet another dumb question, how do I go about installing sdl or allegro? lol[04:46:10] <Duggan> haikuware?[04:46:14] <Duggan> has an installer?[04:46:19] <Duggan> or at least a script I hope?[04:46:38] <l_n> i dunno.. usually zip files just get unzipped to /boot/apps or /boot[04:46:44] <l_n> check the contents in expander[04:50:21] <Duggan> whats a good place to get allegro from?[04:50:27] <Duggan> and which would you suggest, SDL or allegro?[04:51:50] *** Mixer has quit IRC[04:52:23] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[04:54:13] *** Chryson has joined #haiku[04:58:15] <Duggan> l_n help me with a problem real quick?[04:58:49] <Duggan> got a missing symbol: __7BGLViewG5BRectPcUIUIUI ... any idea what library thats from and how to fix it?[04:59:33] <mmadia> you can try objdump -x <FILE> | grep NEEDED[05:02:00] <Duggan> hmm neat trick[05:02:20] <yourpalal> that is a BGLView(Brect, char* , uint, uint, uint) (I think) constructor, was that the one wim removed/fiddled with?[05:03:04] <Duggan> where's libiconv.so.2 supposed to be located?[05:04:05] <Duggan> because thats missing[05:04:16] <Duggan> and the only one that I can tell is missing[05:04:25] *** Mixer has quit IRC[05:04:50] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[05:06:46] <Duggan> hmm[05:06:57] <Duggan> ok so it wasn't missing :P[05:16:00] *** LinuxKeitaro has quit IRC[05:18:20] *** dru345 has quit IRC[05:20:51] *** Mixer has quit IRC[05:21:21] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[05:26:09] *** Megaf has quit IRC[05:31:21] *** Mixer has quit IRC[05:32:04] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[05:32:34] *** Megaf has joined #haiku[05:35:35] *** Megaf has quit IRC[05:38:05] *** Mixer has quit IRC[05:38:35] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[05:44:08] *** Toekutr has joined #haiku[05:49:52] *** Toekutr has quit IRC[05:54:42] *** Mixer has quit IRC[05:55:20] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[05:55:44] *** matthias9 has quit IRC[05:57:53] *** matthias9 has joined #haiku[06:01:19] *** Mixer has quit IRC[06:01:35] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[06:13:29] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[06:14:42] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[06:19:40] *** Mixer has quit IRC[06:21:36] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[06:24:13] <CIA-49> scottmc * r901 /haikuports/trunk/media-libs/libdvdnav/libdvdnav-4.1.3.bep: Added dependencies, license and copyright info for libdvdnav.[06:33:15] <CIA-49> scottmc * r902 /haikuports/trunk/media-video/ (mplayer/mplayer-1.0.bep mplayer):[06:33:16] <CIA-49> Initial mplayer .bep file from michaelvoliveira. Marked as unstable as[06:33:16] <CIA-49> it crashed on me when I tried playing a DVD.[06:37:41] *** Mixer has quit IRC[06:41:09] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[06:45:59] *** Chryson has quit IRC[06:51:10] *** Mixer has quit IRC[06:51:42] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[07:00:53] * Xeon3D will brb[07:01:04] <Duggan> l8r Xeon3D[07:03:23] *** VinDuv has joined #haiku[07:04:02] *** fhein has joined #haiku[07:05:43] *** Mixer has quit IRC[07:05:44] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[07:05:59] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[07:20:18] <Duggan> low resource man and page daemon take an awful lot of resources...[07:26:00] *** Mixer has quit IRC[07:27:56] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[07:31:16] <CIA-49> scottmc * r903 /haikuports/trunk/dev-python/ (numpy pygame/pygame-1.9.1.bep numpy/numpy-1.4.1.bep):[07:31:16] <CIA-49> Initial .bep file for numpy, it's not yet working so marked as broken. Also added LOCALBASE to pygame's .bep file but it's still not[07:31:16] <CIA-49> locating libpng.[07:35:30] *** fhein has quit IRC[07:38:50] *** kPb_in has joined #haiku[07:39:55] *** lorglas has joined #haiku[07:39:58] *** Mixer has quit IRC[07:40:16] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[07:48:58] <lorglas> ^hello[07:52:44] *** MrSunshine has joined #haiku[07:54:16] *** Mixer has quit IRC[07:54:44] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[08:16:57] <Duggan> hi lorglas[08:22:03] *** Shisui has joined #haiku[08:22:45] *** Mixer has quit IRC[08:23:04] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[08:49:55] <CIA-49> axeld * r37424 /haiku/trunk/headers/posix/size_t.h: * Minor cleanup.[08:55:04] *** Mixer has quit IRC[08:56:46] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[08:56:46] *** xray7224 has quit IRC[08:56:56] *** [Katisu]_m has joined #haiku[08:59:09] *** [Katisu] has quit IRC[08:59:09] *** [Katisu]_m is now known as [Katisu][09:02:26] <CIA-49> axeld * r37425 /haiku/trunk/ (14 files in 8 dirs): (log message trimmed)[09:02:26] <CIA-49> * Since the native rtl8169 is problematic on many chipsets (including mine),[09:02:26] <CIA-49> I've removed it for now, until someone finds the time to look into it.[09:02:26] <CIA-49> * Therefore, enabled all supported devices for the rtl81xx driver.[09:02:26] <CIA-49> * Made the rtl81xx driver actually work by adding the missing PHYs - it doesn't[09:02:27] <CIA-49> use the same PHYs as the rtl8139 driver. Imported the rgephy.c|h from FreeBSD[09:02:28] <CIA-49> 8 (not yet in vendor branch, but unchanged).[09:02:46] *** Mixer has quit IRC[09:03:05] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[09:03:37] *** Trezker has quit IRC[09:09:34] <CIA-49> axeld * r37426 /haiku/vendor/freebsd/RELEASE_8_0_0/dev/mii/ (rgephy.c rgephyreg.h): * Imported FreeBSD's rge PHY sources into the vendor branch.[09:15:15] *** Mixer has quit IRC[09:16:50] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[09:20:55] *** Trezker has joined #haiku[09:24:01] *** Andrius has joined #haiku[09:27:36] *** sprma has joined #haiku[09:28:51] *** Mixer has quit IRC[09:29:09] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[09:33:48] *** Nozy has joined #haiku[09:39:11] *** Mixer has quit IRC[09:40:00] *** yourpalal has quit IRC[09:40:55] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[09:41:03] *** J-Ho has joined #haiku[09:52:46] *** dru345 has joined #haiku[10:05:59] *** Arius_ has joined #haiku[10:09:45] *** Arius_ has quit IRC[10:11:17] *** wry has joined #haiku[10:14:11] *** HavokMalo has joined #haiku[10:14:21] *** HavokMalo has left #haiku[10:15:16] *** Mixer has quit IRC[10:17:56] *** Shisui has quit IRC[10:19:06] *** Shisui has joined #haiku[10:23:18] *** wry has left #haiku[10:27:29] *** Leon9 has joined #haiku[10:30:29] *** Leon9 has quit IRC[10:36:32] *** strohi has joined #haiku[10:42:03] <Duggan> erm... so I never really used workspaces... how do you move a window onto a different one?[10:42:56] <Xeon3D> you move it...[10:42:58] <dru345> drag it :P[10:42:59] <Xeon3D> using the workspace.[10:43:01] <Xeon3D> lol[10:43:06] <dru345> in the workspace window[10:43:12] <Xeon3D> brb[10:43:14] <dru345> k[10:43:22] <dru345> workspaces suck imo :P[10:43:23] <Xeon3D> I think I just lost 500gb of stuff :D[10:43:25] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[10:44:07] <Duggan> ohhhhhhh gotcha[10:44:13] <Duggan> that sucks :([10:44:19] <Duggan> best of luck with that Xeon3D[10:45:01] *** Leon9 has joined #haiku[10:46:31] <Ziusudra> you can also use Ctrl+Alt+cursor keys to move between workspaces, also Alt+function keys[10:46:57] <Ziusudra> holding shift while doing either will take the active window to the new workspace[10:47:44] <Xeon3D> hmmm[10:47:51] <Xeon3D> the partition table is preety much shot on that hd[10:47:56] <Ziusudra> you can also click and hold the window title/border to take the window with while changing workspace[10:47:58] <Xeon3D> but windows recognizes it perfectly[10:48:11] <Duggan> Ziusudra hi, and thank you very much :)[10:48:15] <Duggan> Xeon3D that sucks :'([10:48:17] *** Jondice has quit IRC[10:51:31] *** Mixer has quit IRC[10:53:25] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[10:53:52] *** sad|impy has quit IRC[10:57:34] *** Beyecixramd has joined #haiku[10:59:01] *** impy has joined #haiku[10:59:26] *** Mixer has quit IRC[11:01:13] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[11:09:10] *** naaina has joined #haiku[11:10:35] *** kPb_in has quit IRC[11:11:48] <CIA-49> pulkomandy * r37427 /haiku/trunk/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Support for setting 12/24Hr mode in locale preflet.[11:26:03] *** strohi has quit IRC[11:27:55] *** strohi has joined #haiku[11:28:03] <Xeon3D> it's all good it seems[11:28:11] <Xeon3D> Windows detects it fine.[11:28:41] *** Qeos|2 has joined #haiku[11:28:46] *** Qeos has quit IRC[11:31:31] *** Mixer has quit IRC[11:32:03] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[11:32:44] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[11:34:57] *** SexPistols1 has joined #haiku[11:35:02] <SexPistols1> http://qt-haiku.ru/images/rsgallery/original/aqemu_0.8.png[11:35:05] <SexPistols1> :-D[11:36:51] *** iIngenu has joined #haiku[11:37:08] <dru345> cool[11:38:46] *** Nozy has quit IRC[11:40:10] *** Mixer has quit IRC[11:40:45] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[11:49:12] *** Trezker has quit IRC[11:53:45] *** idefix_xifedi has quit IRC[11:54:46] *** Mixer has quit IRC[11:55:05] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[11:55:13] *** MorbidAngel has joined #haiku[11:55:39] *** MorbidAngel has left #haiku[12:01:04] *** Mixer has quit IRC[12:01:28] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[12:02:02] *** Trezker has joined #haiku[12:07:29] *** Mixer has quit IRC[12:07:49] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[12:17:26] <Duggan> interesting... `void BView::SetViewColor( ... )' is inaccessible within this context[12:18:38] <Duggan> ahhhh[12:19:55] *** SexPistols1 has quit IRC[12:20:25] <dru345> Duggan did you find any layout docs?[12:23:54] *** Mixer has quit IRC[12:24:18] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[12:37:21] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[12:42:19] *** Mixer has quit IRC[12:42:40] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[12:42:54] *** idefix_xifedi has quit IRC[12:48:12] *** Beyecixramd has quit IRC[12:48:42] *** Mixer has quit IRC[12:49:10] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[12:51:59] *** Ziusudra has quit IRC[12:52:11] <Duggan> dru345, layout docs? I linked one yesterday[12:52:29] <dru345> i must've missed it[12:52:34] <Duggan> one sec[12:53:20] <Duggan> its not a full documentation, but its a start[12:53:36] <Duggan> http://www.haiku-os.org/documents/dev/laying_it_all_out_part_1[12:54:03] *** Trezker has quit IRC[12:54:25] <dru345> k ty[12:54:34] <Duggan> no prob :)[12:54:37] <Duggan> anything else?[12:54:48] *** Trezker has joined #haiku[12:55:27] <dru345> sure - fix my bug :P[12:55:34] <Duggan> lol what is it?[12:56:36] <dru345> well it's not my bug. it's just... i'm trying to improve performance of Devices when you scroll down the device list :P[12:56:39] <Xeon3D> arhghghghghghhggh[12:56:47] <Duggan> hey Xeon3D[12:56:51] * Xeon3D controls himself as not to punch the damn laptop[12:56:53] <Duggan> still having hd problems?[12:56:56] <Duggan> that sucks :([12:56:58] <Xeon3D> nah[12:57:02] <Duggan> fixed it?[12:57:03] <Xeon3D> they were just fixed.[12:57:10] <Duggan> "were just fixed" sounds bad :([12:57:22] <Xeon3D> but I deleted ~200GB of stuff when I didn't need to.[12:57:37] <Xeon3D> it went like this...[12:57:45] <Duggan> dru345 I have no problem scrolling in devices?[12:57:54] <Duggan> that sucks :([12:58:04] <dru345> i'll show u :P[12:58:19] <Xeon3D> I have an External HD "Apparatus" which is really just the controller board from a USB Sata HD which can be connected to one of three disks I have in an easy way[12:58:44] <Xeon3D> But one of the disks could only be mounted automatically in Windows. In Linux it would need a forced mount[12:58:56] <Xeon3D> and today it didn't even mount by force :([12:59:06] <Xeon3D> so I rebooted back into windows[12:59:11] <Xeon3D> checked it...[12:59:13] *** Mixer has quit IRC[12:59:36] <Xeon3D> all ok, so I started to delete stuff so I could copy them from the ext. HD to the laptop and then to another ext. HD (using the same enclosure or apparatus)[12:59:53] <Xeon3D> (my laptop has a 160gb heavily partitioned drive)[12:59:54] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[13:00:02] <Duggan> gotcha[13:00:08] <Xeon3D> then thinking I would do it later...[13:00:31] <Xeon3D> booted back into Arch, started testdisk up... to see if there was anything wrong with it...[13:00:43] <Xeon3D> and the partition was being recognized as HFS (by testdisk)[13:01:21] <Xeon3D> I changed type back into NTFS, wrote the partition table... searched the disk again for partitions, and it was back to be detected as HFS.[13:01:52] <Xeon3D> then I set the type back to NTFS and tried to mount it...[13:02:13] <Duggan> yeah I try to never do hd stuff in linux if I can help it... I never trusted it[13:02:23] <Xeon3D> and I then just noticed this warning "more filesystems detected. use wipefs(8) to clean up the device."[13:02:42] <Duggan> :/[13:02:57] <Xeon3D> so I ran wipe fs, and found out that the partition had 2 partition descriptors... NTFS @ 0x03 and HFS @ 0x400[13:03:10] <Xeon3D> I deleted the HFS one, and it's working perfectly (automounts on Linux)[13:03:10] <CIA-49> pulkomandy * r37428 /haiku/trunk/src/preferences/locale/TimeFormatSettingsView.cpp: Style fixes.[13:03:13] <dru345> o.O[13:03:38] <Duggan> can you undelete any of that stuff?[13:03:50] *** adriano-src has joined #haiku[13:03:50] <Xeon3D> and it's 200GB lighter (Rom Collections and some Linux ISO's)[13:04:10] <Xeon3D> prolly, but that'll take a shitload of time (specially due to the 10000's of file in the ROMs collections) :P[13:04:12] <Duggan> not the ROMs!!! :'([13:04:31] <Xeon3D> yup... I had a lot of full sets.[13:04:37] <Duggan> I need to find a reliable source for mame roms...[13:04:56] <Xeon3D> oh, can it be torrents? :D[13:05:09] <Duggan> I used to have a decent amount but they seem to have degraded over time :([13:05:22] <Duggan> can, but I don't like torrents lol[13:05:38] <Duggan> probably the #2 means of spreading viruses that exist these days[13:05:49] *** Mixer has quit IRC[13:05:57] <Xeon3D> gonna PM you since idk if it's ok to speak it out loud in the channel[13:05:59] <Duggan> #1 being pr0n sites of course lol[13:06:05] <Duggan> lol ok[13:06:18] <dru345> Duggan - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQUxqg6eYfU[13:06:28] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[13:07:43] <Duggan> dru :/ no youtube :([13:07:46] <Xeon3D> :O[13:07:54] <Xeon3D> dru345: you're "os2fan" ? OMG.[13:07:56] <dru345> you on haiku Duggan? :P[13:08:04] <dru345> OMG[13:08:06] <Duggan> just downloaded BonEcho so I could try and it won't work anymore :([13:08:08] <Duggan> yep[13:08:09] <Duggan> OS Uptime [Haiku]: 5 days 7 hrs 12 mins 39.405 secs[13:08:30] <Duggan> Xeon3D you're a fan of dru345? lol[13:09:22] <Duggan> tell you what... lol[13:09:24] <dru345> Duggan needs another 'puter :P[13:09:27] <Duggan> I DO have youtube on my phone :P[13:09:30] <dru345> xD[13:09:39] <Duggan> I have one but I dumped tea all over the keyboard the other day...[13:10:01] <Duggan> dru345 whats the title?[13:10:14] <dru345> haiku devices[13:12:02] <Duggan> ah ok gotcha[13:12:27] <Duggan> ok, here's how you do it....[13:12:28] *** Mixer has quit IRC[13:12:43] <Xeon3D> dru345: if you're os2fan you just dropped 2 points on my trust scale haha[13:12:44] <Duggan> make it such that it doesn't update the info on the right until you let off the key[13:13:00] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[13:13:17] <Duggan> keydown->do the scrolling stuff....[13:13:32] <Duggan> keyup->set current item and update view[13:13:33] <Duggan> simple[13:13:59] <Duggan> think thats possible/a decent way to do it?[13:16:13] <dru345> dunno :P[13:16:35] <Duggan> thats where its originating, I don't think theres much else you can do besides delaying updating the information[13:18:59] *** Mixer has quit IRC[13:19:30] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[13:21:58] <dru345> fix it ;)[13:23:28] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[13:25:00] <Xeon3D> dru345: http://xeon3d.org/files/desktop_001.png :X[13:25:21] <dru345> :D[13:26:07] *** largo has left #haiku[13:27:30] *** Mixer has quit IRC[13:27:32] <Xeon3D> this is 4.52 tho[13:27:56] <dru345> mhmm. IBM's last release :P[13:27:58] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[13:28:17] <dru345> upon which your favorite, eCS, is based :D[13:28:25] *** strohi has quit IRC[13:32:42] <Xeon3D> but I have small memories of liking Warp 4 more than eCom :P[13:33:11] <Xeon3D> and I don't have to type a m#$"#$"=(=#"$ 64 byte serial[13:33:19] <dru345> xD[13:33:28] <OmniMancer> :P[13:33:59] *** Mixer has quit IRC[13:34:28] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[13:34:48] <Duggan> I always wanted to mess with OS/2[13:35:16] <Xeon3D> dru345: and it's installing perfectly... not getting any stupid FIBASE errors[13:35:27] <Xeon3D> Duggan: that's the correct verb.. mess.[13:35:31] <Xeon3D> OS/2 is a mess. :D[13:36:41] <dru345> haterz :/[13:38:27] <Duggan> hehe[13:38:34] <Duggan> well I wouldn't know because I've never used it[13:38:39] <Duggan> and it can't be as bad as linux...[13:39:20] <Xeon3D> it IS.[13:39:41] <Duggan> I can't imagine it...[13:39:43] <Duggan> lol[13:40:00] <saivert> OS/2 is nice. as nice as a paralell universe can be[13:40:09] <Duggan> a commercial product as bad as an open source charlie foxtrot?...[13:40:15] <Duggan> then again, it didn't survive... lol[13:40:29] *** Mixer has quit IRC[13:40:36] <dru345> didn't? it's still sold (tho as ecom) :P[13:40:46] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[13:40:53] <Duggan> they're still selling it now?[13:40:55] <dru345> yes[13:44:56] <Duggan> it looks pretty good...[13:45:44] <dru345> "it"?[13:45:52] <Xeon3D> yes[13:45:54] <Xeon3D> it = the thing[13:46:07] <Xeon3D> yay OS/2 Sounds from 1998[13:46:08] <Duggan> lol[13:46:09] <Xeon3D> ewwww[13:46:38] <gluon> OS/2 sounds from 1990 :P[13:46:45] <Xeon3D> or that[13:46:47] *** Mixer has quit IRC[13:47:18] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[13:48:55] <Xeon3D> actually this was released in 2001 :O[13:51:05] <gluon> yeah, but it died in the early 90's :P[13:51:15] <gluon> I'm a fan though[13:51:46] <gluon> but I've been an IBM employee so...[13:52:38] <dru345> oh![13:55:19] *** Mixer has quit IRC[13:55:51] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[13:56:16] <Xeon3D> lol[13:56:19] <Xeon3D> what are the odds[13:56:24] <Xeon3D> of finding 2 os/2 fans :P[13:56:45] <Xeon3D> at least now I know who to ask for tips :P[13:57:17] *** idefix_xifedi has quit IRC[13:57:32] <gluon> I worked with IBM AIX, that's what I really know ;)[13:57:52] <Xeon3D> :([13:57:57] <gluon> but I used to run OS/2 one thousand years ago[13:58:03] <Xeon3D> guess you're sol dru345 :D[13:58:04] <gluon> on my 386[13:58:05] * dru345 wants AIX :P[13:58:20] <Xeon3D> dru345: aren't you registered on betaarchive? :X[13:58:25] <dru345> no?[13:58:28] <Xeon3D> :O[13:58:31] <Xeon3D> :O x1000[14:01:51] *** Mixer has quit IRC[14:04:27] *** Leon9 has quit IRC[14:12:53] *** Ola has joined #haiku[14:13:21] *** Ola is now known as Guest93050[14:14:11] *** Guest93050 is now known as OlaHughson[14:19:03] *** OlaHughson has quit IRC[14:19:26] *** OlaHughson has joined #haiku[14:19:57] <Xeon3D> dru345: where does OS/2 have it's "open-on-startup" programs? :D[14:20:25] <dru345> there's a "Startup" folder[14:20:57] <dru345> in the "computer" icon in that version i think[14:22:47] *** Geoz has joined #haiku[14:26:36] *** bubsy_ has joined #haiku[14:27:00] *** bubsy has quit IRC[14:27:02] <Xeon3D> nice[14:27:21] <Xeon3D> now all I need is a modernizing OS/2 Warp 4 without fiddling with eCom for noobs pdf :P[14:31:37] *** strohi has joined #haiku[14:31:37] *** strohi has joined #haiku[14:44:38] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[14:45:05] *** _gringo has joined #haiku[14:45:12] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[14:49:41] *** Megaf has joined #haiku[14:52:11] *** bubsy_ is now known as bubsy[14:54:43] *** Mixer has quit IRC[14:55:10] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[14:58:27] *** Alam_Squeeze has quit IRC[15:01:01] *** LoganA has quit IRC[15:01:08] *** marc_smith has joined #haiku[15:06:02] <CIA-49> pulkomandy * r37429 /haiku/trunk/src/preferences/locale/TimeFormatSettingsView.cpp: Remove useless debug output. Thanks Jerome for pointing it out![15:09:33] <CIA-49> pulkomandy * r37430 /haiku/trunk/src/tools/checkstyle/test.cpp:[15:09:33] <CIA-49> Add small test file for checkstyle (and its vim equivalent). Feel free[15:09:33] <CIA-49> to complete it if you find other misses or false positives.[15:11:25] *** Mixer has quit IRC[15:15:38] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[15:22:01] *** _maniac_ has joined #haiku[15:29:42] *** nisstyre65 has quit IRC[15:32:58] *** marshan has joined #haiku[15:33:04] <marshan> narf![15:38:17] <Disreali> hey marshan[15:38:38] <marshan> hi Disreali[15:38:47] <Disreali> what's new?[15:39:01] <marshan> not much, just work as always :/[15:39:42] <Disreali> well, good that you still have that[15:40:35] <marshan> hmm[15:40:46] <marshan> yeah i hear it's tough to get jobs everywhere[15:40:53] <marshan> or atleast in the US[15:41:07] <Disreali> indeed[15:43:09] *** nisstyre65 has joined #haiku[15:43:48] *** Mixer has quit IRC[15:44:11] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[15:45:11] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[15:50:47] *** _gringo has quit IRC[15:58:39] *** oZ] has joined #haiku[15:58:53] *** marc_smith has quit IRC[16:03:23] *** Mixer has quit IRC[16:05:56] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[16:09:38] <gluon> is it possible to launch an app into a specific workspace (without previously changing into the target workspace)?[16:10:28] <marshan> the app can decide that in BeOS if i recall right[16:10:44] <marshan> i'm not sure if it's been made into a global setting on Haiku[16:10:49] *** adriano-src has quit IRC[16:11:49] *** DaaT has joined #haiku[16:12:29] <phoudoin> gluon: each BWindow take a workspace mask (current workspace is the default value, aka 0)[16:12:52] <marshan> yep[16:13:03] <phoudoin> pass (1 << 3) instead, and the window will show in 3rd workspace[16:13:35] <phoudoin> B_ALL_WORKSPACE being 0xFFFFFFFF, obviously.[16:13:44] <DaaT> howdy[16:13:55] <marshan> hi DaaT[16:14:17] <phoudoin> gluon: it can also be changed after window creation too, via SetWorkspaces() method.[16:14:40] *** OlaHughson has quit IRC[16:15:05] <DaaT> hi marshan[16:15:05] *** OlaHughson has joined #haiku[16:15:19] <marshan> <-- Teknomancer :P[16:15:27] <marshan> ltns[16:15:30] <gluon> phoudoin: Oh thanks, what if I'm not the developer of the app but simply launching it from the terminal?[16:15:31] <DaaT> TEK![16:15:31] <DaaT> :)[16:15:34] <DaaT> yeah, long time[16:15:44] <DaaT> just moved to england yesterday :)[16:15:49] <DaaT> how have you been doing?[16:16:10] <phoudoin> gluon: then you're developer slave ot offer this feature![16:16:11] <phoudoin> :-)[16:16:17] <marshan> wow[16:16:19] <marshan> cool[16:16:22] <gluon> lol :)[16:16:34] <marshan> yeah i'm doing okay, still in Deutschland[16:17:01] <DaaT> ah deutschland... lost against spain... bah!! they should have won[16:17:25] <phoudoin> I dunno if we have some way to do that. Usually, it's up to application to decide on which workspace should be which window. Usually by window position persistancy, as Tracker does for instance.[16:17:31] <marshan> yeah :([16:17:46] <marshan> the goal against england came back to haunt them? :P[16:18:04] <DaaT> maybe[16:18:09] <DaaT> i didn't seen yesterday's game though[16:18:12] <marshan> me neither[16:18:15] <marshan> i have no TV[16:18:18] <DaaT> same here[16:18:26] <DaaT> and was on a taxi from the airport :P[16:18:32] <marshan> and watching it online is impossible[16:18:36] <marshan> all fake sites[16:18:37] <DaaT> but I plan on watching the final of course[16:18:44] <marshan> asking you to register or fill up "online surverys"[16:18:45] <DaaT> lots of pubs around here ;)[16:18:51] <DaaT> marshan , use www.myp2p.eu[16:18:57] <marshan> does that work?[16:18:59] <DaaT> then the link "live sports" and you're set to go[16:19:02] <DaaT> yeah, it's the one I use[16:19:25] <marshan> i'll try it next![16:19:27] <marshan> thanks[16:19:33] <DaaT> no problem[16:21:29] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[16:21:45] *** marshan has left #haiku[16:21:51] *** marshan has joined #haiku[16:23:00] <mmu_screen> plop[16:24:15] * DaaT borks mmu_screen[16:24:32] *** _gringo has joined #haiku[16:24:51] <marshan> hi mmu_screen[16:24:51] <Duggan> hey mmu_screen, would you (or anyone) know what 417 - Expectation Failed means at pastebin?[16:27:30] *** Mixer has quit IRC[16:29:46] *** _gringo has quit IRC[16:32:14] *** lorglas has quit IRC[16:38:12] <mmu_screen> dunno[16:39:33] *** Megaf has quit IRC[16:39:51] *** DaaT has quit IRC[16:41:39] *** _gringo has joined #haiku[16:43:25] *** Megaf has joined #haiku[16:43:55] <OmniMancer> Duggan: it means you aren't using pastebin.org[16:50:04] <CIA-49> scottmc * r904 /haikuports/trunk/media-libs/sdl-ttf/sdl-ttf-2.0.10.bep: Updated sdl-ttf to the released version of 2.0.10.[16:50:50] *** _gringo has quit IRC[16:51:00] *** _gringo has joined #haiku[16:52:03] <CIA-49> bonefish * r37431 /haiku/trunk/ (10 files in 6 dirs):[16:52:03] <CIA-49> Patch by Alex Wilson (compilation fixes by myself): Extended the archiving/[16:52:03] <CIA-49> unarchiving protocol to support archival of arbitrary object graphs.[16:53:11] *** np0w3r has joined #haiku[17:00:49] *** np0w3r has left #haiku[17:01:57] *** naaina has quit IRC[17:02:16] <CIA-49> bonefish * r37432 /haiku/trunk/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Style cleanup.[17:03:52] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[17:04:04] *** acous has joined #haiku[17:04:50] <CIA-49> scottmc * r905 /haikuports/trunk/media-libs/sdl-ttf/sdl-ttf-2.0.10.bep: Updated the copyright year in the sdl-ttf .bep file[17:06:12] *** OlaHughson has quit IRC[17:08:19] *** xray7224 has joined #haiku[17:09:53] *** Mixer has quit IRC[17:10:05] *** Barrett has quit IRC[17:10:21] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[17:12:16] *** tqh has joined #haiku[17:17:11] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[17:18:12] *** LoganA has joined #haiku[17:19:47] *** The123king has joined #haiku[17:22:21] *** Mixer has quit IRC[17:22:50] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[17:25:39] *** LoganA has quit IRC[17:30:49] *** Mixer has quit IRC[17:31:55] *** LoganA has joined #haiku[17:32:24] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[17:38:26] <CIA-49> pulkomandy * r37433 /haiku/trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Patch by Alex Wilson as part of GSoC 2010 : Archiving of Layouted BViews hierarchy.[17:46:33] *** _gringo1 has joined #haiku[17:47:11] *** _gringo has quit IRC[17:47:27] *** Megaf has quit IRC[17:49:12] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[17:52:25] *** Mixer has quit IRC[17:52:54] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[17:55:50] *** jmelesky has joined #haiku[17:59:17] *** yourpalal has joined #haiku[18:00:55] *** Mixer has quit IRC[18:01:11] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[18:02:19] <CIA-49> axeld * r37434 /haiku/trunk/headers/os/interface/ (Layout.h LayoutItem.h): * Style cleanups.[18:07:12] *** Mixer has quit IRC[18:07:29] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[18:08:08] *** naaina has joined #haiku[18:13:28] *** Mixer has quit IRC[18:14:16] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[18:14:39] *** helf has quit IRC[18:19:47] *** Ola has joined #haiku[18:20:14] *** Ola is now known as Guest79190[18:20:17] *** Mixer has quit IRC[18:20:26] *** helf has joined #haiku[18:21:00] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[18:21:01] *** helf has quit IRC[18:23:52] *** Guest79190 is now known as OlaHughson[18:26:36] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[18:29:00] *** Mixer has quit IRC[18:29:34] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[18:31:01] *** raichoo has joined #haiku[18:32:37] *** largo has joined #haiku[18:32:46] *** odites has joined #haiku[18:36:30] *** gyo has joined #haiku[18:36:49] <gyo> woot, y a du monde icite[18:36:57] <gyo> hello :)[18:37:50] <yourpalal> salut, gyo, ca va?[18:40:50] *** gyo has quit IRC[18:42:08] *** gyo has joined #haiku[18:45:25] *** naaina has quit IRC[18:49:51] *** gyo has quit IRC[18:51:45] *** judgen has joined #haiku[18:52:02] *** _gringo1 has quit IRC[18:53:07] *** cherrypie has joined #haiku[18:56:15] *** iIngenu has quit IRC[18:56:37] *** Megaf has joined #haiku[18:57:41] *** [Katisu]_m has joined #haiku[18:58:24] *** phoudoin has left #haiku[18:58:53] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[18:59:07] *** [Katisu] has quit IRC[18:59:07] *** [Katisu]_m is now known as [Katisu][19:04:33] *** genki has joined #haiku[19:06:31] *** Hubert_ has joined #haiku[19:19:09] *** Ingenu has joined #haiku[19:28:33] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[19:34:10] *** Shisui has quit IRC[19:39:21] *** odites has quit IRC[19:47:30] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[19:47:47] *** helf has joined #haiku[19:54:04] *** helf has quit IRC[19:56:03] *** helf has joined #haiku[19:58:39] *** idefix_xifedi has quit IRC[20:01:27] <CIA-49> humdinger * r37435 /haiku/trunk/docs/ (1113 files in 96 dirs): Update to user guide and welcome page. Introducing Portuguese and Chinese. Thanks to all translators\![20:01:28] *** helf has quit IRC[20:01:28] *** helf2 has joined #haiku[20:03:36] *** xray7224 has quit IRC[20:07:16] *** saivert has quit IRC[20:07:18] *** helf has joined #haiku[20:07:40] *** helf has quit IRC[20:08:26] *** helf has joined #haiku[20:10:55] *** helf2 has quit IRC[20:14:58] *** Hubert_ has quit IRC[20:15:44] <CIA-49> mmadia * r37436 /haiku/trunk/docs/ (167 files in 20 dirs): Set mime-type to text/html[20:15:59] *** hUMUNGUs has quit IRC[20:16:03] *** saivert has joined #haiku[20:17:56] *** korli has joined #haiku[20:17:56] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o korli[20:18:16] <mmu_screen> plop[20:20:23] <mmadia> splash[20:22:16] *** ulrask has joined #haiku[20:22:22] <ulrask> Hi[20:23:30] <ulrask> I just wanna say I installed Haiku on my laptop and I love it, it's light, efficient, fast, and does everything I need[20:23:50] <ulrask> I'm even surprised by the stability of a so called "alpha", it hasn't crashed once yet[20:25:20] <ulrask> The only thing I'm missing is youtube & co, but I guess eventually support for either flash or webm will be added. No matter, all my hardware is recognised and work well, including sound and wifi, thanks to the team ![20:26:00] *** ziomatto has joined #haiku[20:26:08] <mmadia> there's some stuff on www.haikuware.com that can help, ulrask[20:26:35] <mmadia> ... a port of Gnash, some download utility scripts. though, i personally just do without flash in Haiku.[20:26:41] <ulrask> I can live without youtube anyway, I only connected to say "thank you"[20:27:15] <mmadia> :)[20:27:44] <ulrask> It's a huge improvement over the heavy and bloated XP that came with my EEE[20:29:43] <gluon> nice to hear that ulrask[20:30:20] <gluon> I only miss flash for youtube videos, other than that I don't really need it[20:31:52] <ulrask> Well, netpositive is based on the same engine as safari and konqueror isn't it ? I guess we can expect webm support at some point[20:31:55] <gluon> how many seconds does it take to boot haiku in your eee?[20:32:38] <ulrask> It's not so fast, about 10s to get to a fully loaded usable desktop[20:33:17] <ulrask> Faster than windows though, but much slower than MorphOS on similar hardware[20:34:55] <gluon> oh, 10s is a pretty good benchmark for me, I'm not familiar woth MorphOS though[20:35:02] <gluon> with*[20:35:29] <ulrask> MorphOS has the advantage of running on a fixed hardware, doesn't have to support many different configuration like Haiku, that's probably the reason it's so fast[20:36:26] <ulrask> At boot it just put a fixed snapshot of data into the memory, a little bit like savestate in emulators if I understand correctly[20:36:39] *** Disreali has quit IRC[20:36:44] <gluon> yap[20:37:34] <gluon> I see lot's of haiku users come from Amiga... Not my case, eventhough I played a lot in Amiga machines of some frinds in the early 90s[20:38:11] <ulrask> new gen Amiga are very nice, but... so expensive[20:38:15] <oZ]> I think they have similar ideals when it comes to UI design.[20:38:30] <ulrask> Haiku sort of have an Amiga feeling but run on much cheaper hardware[20:39:32] <ulrask> I remember at the time before BeOS was released it was nicknamed "AmigaOS 95"[20:40:03] <ulrask> Part of the BeOS team also worked on AmigaOS[20:42:04] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[20:44:11] <gluon> yeah[20:44:25] *** Megaf has quit IRC[20:44:43] <matthias9> if one wants Amiga feeling there is AROS, though it doesn't work on my hardware[20:45:18] <helf> Amiga Forever[20:45:20] <helf> ++[20:45:34] <helf> http://www.amigaforever.com/[20:45:37] <helf> its even bootable[20:46:36] <ulrask> ArOS doesn't have Amiga compatibility yet[20:47:31] <ulrask> It's on it's way though but I'm not really interested in it right now. If I want AmigaOS, emulation works better on more hardware[20:48:17] *** kmargar has joined #haiku[20:48:28] *** markos_ has quit IRC[20:48:38] *** kmargar is now known as markos_[20:49:13] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[20:57:14] <ulrask> Err also I can't seem to find a zmachine for Haiku, anyone know of one ?[20:58:34] <ulrask> Nevermind, found it : http://ifiction.free.fr/index.php?id=haiku&j=&date=&screen=small[20:58:56] <ulrask> Ugly command line interface though[21:11:13] <helf> its a zmachine interpreter[21:11:18] <helf> of course its going to have a cli interface[21:11:20] <oZ]> zmachine really only needs a command line. ;)[21:11:21] <oZ]> hehe[21:12:55] <ulrask> Yeah but they could come with a nice font-sharpening interface[21:13:10] <ulrask> Instead of using the default OS CLI[21:13:54] *** xray7224 has joined #haiku[21:14:01] *** xray7224 has quit IRC[21:14:14] <ulrask> Compare that : http://ifiction.free.fr/images/jacl_haiku3.png[21:14:21] <ulrask> and that : http://daniel-bartholomew.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/gargoyle-play.png[21:14:29] <ulrask> Which one you rather stare at for hours ?[21:14:48] <dru345> terminal ;)[21:14:50] <oZ]> change your CLI font. ;)[21:15:29] <ulrask> Does Haiku support subpixel lighting ?[21:16:34] <dru345> for fonts? yes and no. yes if you don't use hinting. yes if you do use hinting but compile haiku yourself.[21:17:57] *** Xbertl has joined #haiku[21:18:12] *** LinuxKeitaro has joined #haiku[21:18:37] *** J-Ho has left #haiku[21:18:48] <ulrask> Alright then I surrender sir[21:21:14] <helf> that gargoyle one looks nice[21:22:30] <ulrask> Yup really nice but only support windows and linux[21:27:07] <helf> port it :D[21:28:02] <dru345> yes. port it :P[21:28:12] <ulrask> Let's make a deal : I will as soon as Haiku gets an AMOS compiler[21:29:18] <helf> wassat?[21:29:39] <ulrask> An Amiga language, the only one I really master[21:29:53] <helf> oh[21:29:56] <ulrask> I'm shit on post-80s technologies[21:29:59] <helf> lol[21:30:02] <helf> born in the wrong era?[21:30:05] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[21:30:21] <ulrask> Born the right one, just got old :([21:31:00] <dru345> >:D[21:31:23] <helf> :p[21:31:41] *** tqh has quit IRC[21:33:45] <oZ]> lol[21:34:58] <ulrask> Once upon a time, there was nothing but basic and ASM. And pascal, but we laughed at them because no one in their right mind would use anything else than basic and ASM.[21:38:53] <Hodapp> pfffft[21:38:56] * Hodapp punts ulrask[21:43:17] *** judgen has quit IRC[21:45:25] *** tqh has joined #haiku[21:49:34] <ulrask> I have no clue what the word "punts" mean but I guess it's not very nice[21:50:55] <Hodapp> pffffffffft[21:51:41] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[21:53:36] *** judgen has joined #haiku[21:54:24] *** judgen has quit IRC[21:54:51] *** judgen has joined #haiku[21:56:14] *** judgen has quit IRC[21:57:42] *** judgen has joined #haiku[21:58:55] *** hUMUNGUs has joined #haiku[22:02:41] *** hUMUNGUs has quit IRC[22:03:09] *** judgen has quit IRC[22:08:56] *** judgen has joined #haiku[22:09:39] *** judgen has joined #haiku[22:12:39] *** Gauron has joined #haiku[22:14:29] *** urnenfeld has joined #haiku[22:15:03] *** adriano-src has joined #haiku[22:17:39] *** judgen has quit IRC[22:20:34] *** korli has quit IRC[22:22:50] *** strohi has quit IRC[22:23:21] *** strohi has joined #haiku[22:24:28] *** The123king has quit IRC[22:25:20] *** judgen has joined #haiku[22:26:44] *** urnenfeld has quit IRC[22:27:27] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[22:29:22] *** urnenfeld has joined #haiku[22:32:35] *** judgen has quit IRC[22:33:41] *** MrSunshine has quit IRC[22:34:50] *** urnenfeld has quit IRC[22:37:18] *** MrSunshine has joined #haiku[22:48:48] *** Gauron has quit IRC[22:49:30] *** idefix_xifedi has quit IRC[22:50:57] *** judgen has joined #haiku[22:51:01] *** judgen has quit IRC[22:55:43] *** hUMUNGUs has joined #haiku[22:56:05] *** tqh has quit IRC[22:58:45] *** dru345 has quit IRC[22:59:57] *** Skipp_OSX has joined #haiku[23:02:38] *** acous has quit IRC[23:04:27] *** ziomatto has quit IRC[23:05:05] *** hUMUNGUs has quit IRC[23:06:38] *** judgen has joined #haiku[23:07:28] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[23:12:03] *** _gringo has joined #haiku[23:16:27] *** MrSunshine_ has joined #haiku[23:17:11] <judgen> hehe AmiWM in X rocks! It was kinda hard to get all the gtk and qt apps to adapt though.[23:17:32] <judgen> and also it does not seem to like my wallpaper for some reason, otherwise, awsome.[23:17:47] *** MrSunshine has quit IRC[23:20:07] *** strohi has quit IRC[23:20:12] <Skipp_OSX> am I in the wrong channel?[23:20:22] * Skipp_OSX checks the channel... nope...[23:20:22] <judgen> no, i am just a teeny bit drunk[23:20:45] <judgen> Says the man with OSX in the nick =D[23:21:31] <Skipp_OSX> judgen, put down the beer and give up, Amiga is dead[23:22:56] <judgen> Skipp_OSX, Well the new aeon seems nice, and it isnt dead, since there is still apps written for it, investment in the plattform (in *insert currency here*)[23:23:10] <judgen> and now there are more than one hardware vendor.[23:24:16] <Skipp_OSX> judgen, well, I think if you don't have any nostalgia for Amiga you kind of don't get it[23:24:19] <judgen> The amiga has been declared "dead" for a long time even when they had almost 2% of the market.... wich never linux or BSD even have been close to beating.[23:25:14] <judgen> Well nostalgia sells, look at acube, they have made record profits of that nostalgia market.[23:25:33] <judgen> ok, the SAM4** runs linux and other systems too, but still.[23:27:07] <judgen> i do not own one, yet.. i am waiting for the pricing for the Aeon x1000[23:27:26] <judgen> The most favourable in terms of p/p i will buy.[23:27:37] <Skipp_OSX> judgen: So, basically there is no compelling reason to get one other than nostalgia and it is ugly but still sells[23:27:46] <judgen> Ugly?[23:27:57] <Skipp_OSX> judgen, well that is my personal opinion[23:28:11] <judgen> oh, yeah... i think windows is ugly... but it sells =D[23:29:05] <Skipp_OSX> judgen, I do actually kind of like the look of Aero[23:29:23] <Skipp_OSX> judgen, I was not a big fan of Luna but Aero seems to have some nice style to it[23:29:56] <judgen> there is maybe (just maybe) 1m amiga users today (percentage wise a miniscule market). and most are not active.. but a million is still more than some countries total population. So a small and lean company can make alot of cash.[23:30:36] <Skipp_OSX> judgen, but in software it is really hard to sell to just millions, you need billions[23:30:39] <judgen> Skipp_OSX, all i care about in looks is screen real estate, and only one OS has ever beaten amiga.[23:31:00] <Skipp_OSX> judgen: Now with hardware I guess you can have Millions, that is what Apple does and it works[23:31:18] <Skipp_OSX> or at least used to do, they probably have billions now at this point[23:31:55] <judgen> have you seen the prices amiga customers pay for basic apps? i dont want to be critical.. but selling apps for 99c for windows compared for same app on amiga for 99usd will give higher profit on hte amiga.[23:32:05] <Skipp_OSX> That is why Be didn't make it, they had millions not billions and no hardware sales[23:32:47] *** strohi has joined #haiku[23:32:54] <judgen> No the reason they failed at Be, was the 260m fail.[23:33:11] <Skipp_OSX> judgen: what is the 260m fail?[23:33:14] *** NeonLicht has joined #haiku[23:33:28] <judgen> the price that amelio offered JLG for Be.[23:33:57] <judgen> instead they bought next for 400something m[23:34:31] *** stroh has joined #haiku[23:35:14] <Skipp_OSX> judgen, ahhh, yes, that...[23:35:17] <judgen> then they would have a steady hardware plattform and full specs. I can almost guarantee that amelio would have bought next as well. and the only thing that would have been different is that MacOSX had been better at multitasking from the start, and had fast boot speeds =D[23:35:40] <Skipp_OSX> judgen, I really think that if Apple bought Be they would have been sunk too so they made the right move[23:35:55] <oZ]> Yep.[23:36:18] <judgen> no they had 1,6b in investment capital, and would likely have bought both.. that is why amelio offered so "little" for BeOS tha tJLG refused.[23:36:33] *** genki has quit IRC[23:36:46] <judgen> he thought that BeOS would be the next MacOS[23:36:57] <Skipp_OSX> judgen: Although I think Apple maybe should have boughe Be in 2000 when the company finally sunk to take all there good tech[23:37:00] <judgen> Read Amelios memoirs, interesting read.[23:37:53] *** strohi has quit IRC[23:38:00] <oZ]> Steve had the connections, and NeXT was a reasonable unix, and that is what made people care about the platform again. Be likely wouldn't have done that in anywhere near the time. NeXT would not have been purchased, as what is the point?[23:38:13] <judgen> Skipp_OSX, Palm bought it for the patents, to be used against all people trying to do "eMachines" (or as some call them "stupid web terminals with benefits")[23:38:45] <judgen> oZ], Amelio claims he would have bought both if JLG had accepted the first bid.[23:38:47] <Skipp_OSX> judgen, and did that really work out for Palm? Not really[23:39:02] <judgen> Skipp_OSX, Well... noone dared to build one...[23:39:06] <oZ]> Easy to claim that later on. Would have been seen as a bad business decision at the time.[23:39:23] <Skipp_OSX> Palm could have owned the smartphone market if they knew what they were doing[23:39:43] <judgen> oZ], maybe not, it is hard to argue against the facts, the BeOS has some incredible stuff that macos could use even today.[23:40:01] <judgen> Skipp_OSX, Palm.inc or palmsource?[23:40:27] <Skipp_OSX> judgen: well I was referring to Palm Inc but before the split[23:40:34] <oZ]> Agreed completely, but Be failed at marketing, and Apple was failing at marketing as well. Having better software was only one part of the puzzle that let Apple not fade into the ether at the end of the 90s.[23:40:35] <Skipp_OSX> judgen, so yeah, Palm Inc[23:40:40] <judgen> palm.inc had made it virtually impossible to sell their software to anyone but palm unless given permission by palm.inc[23:41:22] <judgen> sony did well.. too well according to palm.inc. so the liscence was revoked.[23:42:03] <judgen> also that inexpensive game console outsold some palm high end devices and had more memory and was basicly the same as the T series.[23:42:21] <judgen> all you had to do to get the full PalmOS was just to change a text file.[23:42:30] * judgen owns 24 palmos devices.[23:43:12] <Skipp_OSX> well, the point is, Palm could be in RIM's position or better right now if they had just focused on smartphones instead of PIMs[23:43:26] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[23:43:35] <judgen> yes[23:43:38] <judgen> agreed[23:44:32] *** oZ] has quit IRC[23:44:45][23:45:42] <judgen> my biggest grievance with macos is still the crappy hfs+... i mean WHY? ZFS is free to copy modify and do as you wish with.[23:46:02] <judgen> i dont know how many times my mac's has crashed "due to a filesystem error"[23:46:25] <judgen> the powermac G3's notoriously bad[23:46:29] <Skipp_OSX> judgen, yes, HFS+ sucks, but nobody cares[23:46:52] <judgen> Skipp_OSX, when it crashes, do you get all your data back from apple? =D[23:47:20] <judgen> i have never seen a sold filesystem with hfs+ fragmentation levels.[23:47:22] <judgen> it is insane[23:47:39] <judgen> but that is backwards compat for ye. hehe[23:47:42] <Skipp_OSX> judgen: nope... but people don't blame the fs, they blame backups or hardware failure[23:48:20] <judgen> how sad... i bet seagate (the common hdd manufacturer for macs) apple had a better filesystem[23:48:33] <judgen> wish*[23:49:13] <judgen> they used to have WD, but those got a very bad (and undeserved) reputation for failiures on a mac.[23:49:38] <judgen> due to the filesystem not syncing.... (i know it is a silly term but that is what the fail message said in os9)[23:49:49] <mmu_screen> cough WD cough[23:50:06] <judgen> mmu_screen, dont like them?[23:50:08] <mmu_screen> do we have a pic of the alpha2 cd ?[23:50:20] <mmu_screen> judgen: all WD I have have problems[23:50:32] <mmu_screen> but it's just me maybe ;)[23:50:42] <judgen> mmu_screen, The raptos seems to be excellent... but to pricey per gb.[23:50:58] <judgen> almost comparable with a much faster secuiential reader like an ssd[23:52:23] <judgen> the worst rep (and they deserved it) was the IBM GXP HDD's (20>120gb) just freaking awful. If they even laster the warranty period it was a shocker. The 75gb GXP was the worst[23:53:29] <judgen> wonder why hitatchi even bought it...[23:53:53] <judgen> (they bought the entire division and mostly shut the platter buissnes down)[23:54:23] <judgen> maybe they wanted people with talent to work on their flash transfer rates wich was lagging behind the cometition[23:54:43] <judgen> hi mmu_screen btw, it has been a while[23:54:59] <judgen> still working on oss?[23:56:29] <judgen> I tried netsurf on my RISCOS machine the other day (i never power it up nowdays) but it ran fine and was a great browser. When i tried in in BeOS i got "missing symbol" =P