July 7, 2010 
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July 7, 2010 [00:00:10] <augdawg> ques*[00:01:22] *** sprma has quit IRC[00:02:30] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[00:03:15] <Duggan> .[00:03:27] <Duggan> ...ekorb sgnihtemos[00:03:39] <Duggan> ...gnitseretni yrev si siht[00:04:27] <Duggan> hey mmadia[00:04:36] <yourpalal> ..ddo woh[00:05:12] <Duggan> now I have to type backwards[00:05:59] <Duggan> hey yourpalal[00:06:04] <yourpalal> HI[00:06:33] <Duggan> yes I'm still typing backwards[00:06:35] <mmadia> hiya.[00:07:07] <Duggan> ?yas uoy t'ndluow ,gnitseretni sti tub ,no gniog stahw wonkt 'nod yllaer I[00:07:21] *** Beyecixramd has joined #haiku[00:07:34] <Duggan> whoah now its fixed....[00:07:43] <yourpalal> ...dluow ylnaitrec I[00:08:02] <Duggan> I went into terminal to see if it was that way for everything, and it worked there then when I came back here it was fixed[00:08:25] <Duggan> interesting bug lol[00:08:36] <yourpalal> yeah, very weird[00:08:55] <Duggan> at first only one character at a time would show up, thats why the first thing I said was '.'[00:09:10] <Duggan> after that everything was backwards lol[00:09:32] <Duggan> must just be vision[00:09:49] <yourpalal> now you get the fun job of trying to reproduce it![00:10:03] <Hodapp> not nearly as fun as the job of trying to reproduce.[00:10:06] <Duggan> I'll go back to sleep in a while, don't worry :P[00:10:20] <Leon9> I think it is the unicode right-to-left mark, the thing you inserted[00:10:24] <yourpalal> Hodapp: :P[00:10:48] <Duggan> maybe but I didn't do anything to make it happen[00:11:43] *** Beyecixramd has quit IRC[00:13:40] *** Skipp_OSX has joined #haiku[00:23:31] *** yourpalal has quit IRC[00:24:08] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[00:24:50] *** yourpalal has joined #haiku[00:25:36] *** Andrius has quit IRC[00:25:51] *** augdawg has quit IRC[00:34:11] *** raichoo has quit IRC[00:34:45] <gluon> Does anyone know why the online translation tool for the user guide shows a percentage below 100% even if a certain sections is indeed totally translated?[00:34:58] <gluon> maybe I'm missing something[00:35:42] <gluon> how does it calculate the translation percentage? Does it count english words present on the translated blocks?[00:36:32] *** Nozy has joined #haiku[00:42:04] *** Shisui has quit IRC[00:46:50] <kallisti5> god i hate the internet sometimes[00:46:56] <kallisti5> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQSNhk5ICTI << double rainbow[00:53:13] <l_n> Ni![00:54:14] *** bbjimmy has joined #haiku[01:09:37] *** Skipp_OSX has quit IRC[01:14:35] *** _Qeos_ has quit IRC[01:17:30] *** MattSB has joined #haiku[01:20:29] *** Disreali has quit IRC[01:22:18] *** marcosl has joined #haiku[01:23:52] *** marcosl has left #haiku[01:30:15] *** Barrettt__ has joined #haiku[01:31:54] *** Barrettt__ has quit IRC[01:32:06] *** Barrettt__ has joined #haiku[01:34:06] *** Ola_ has joined #haiku[01:35:28] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[01:37:14] *** OlaHughson has quit IRC[01:38:13] *** Disreali has quit IRC[01:38:58] *** Barrettt__ has quit IRC[01:50:27] *** yourpalal has quit IRC[01:50:54] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[01:54:17] <Duggan> ok, I guess my c++ is kinda rusty but I really didn't think it was...[01:54:29] <Duggan> so I've got the line...[01:54:37] <Duggan> chview->AddItem(IPList);[01:54:59] <Duggan> and I get the error... "no matching function for call to 'CHView::AddItem (BListView *&)'[01:55:07] <Duggan> and IPList is a pointer[01:55:20] <Duggan> can someone explain that one to me?[01:59:13] *** Megaf has quit IRC[02:07:09] *** Ola_ has quit IRC[02:08:51] *** Geoz has quit IRC[02:17:49] *** evanosxi has joined #haiku[02:19:19] *** Qeos has joined #haiku[02:22:48] *** yourpalal has joined #haiku[02:25:43] *** jmelesky has quit IRC[02:34:19] *** leo__ has quit IRC[02:34:32] *** leo__ has joined #haiku[02:39:12] *** Ziusudra has joined #haiku[02:42:52] <Duggan> hey Xeon3D[02:43:10] <Xeon3D> dyo[02:43:13] <Xeon3D> yo[02:43:15] <Xeon3D> hey Ziusudra[02:43:26] <Duggan> can you scroll up a little bit and read what I posted and see if you can tell me what idiotic thing I've done?[02:43:29] <Ziusudra> hi Xeon3D. Duggan[02:43:29] <Duggan> hey Ziusudra[02:43:44] <Xeon3D> Duggan: I can't code.[02:43:49] <Duggan> crap[02:43:58] <Duggan> hey Ziusudra think you can give me a hand? lol[02:44:19] <Duggan> Xeon3D, darkwyrm wrote some stuff to help you with that ;)[02:44:22] <Xeon3D> Duggan: relax, someone will answer it sooner or later..[02:44:29] <Xeon3D> Duggan: I ain't interested in learning.[02:44:32] <Duggan> well, its off topic in the other room[02:44:38] *** Barrettt__ has joined #haiku[02:44:44] <Xeon3D> heya Barrettt__ :)[02:45:00] <Duggan> and I'm kinda stuck with my thumb up my rear til I figure it out :P[02:45:14] <Barrettt__> hi Xeon3D[02:45:28] <Ziusudra> I looked at the IRC log; sorry I don't know what's wrong[02:45:37] <Duggan> no problem, thanks though[02:45:38] *** Barrettt__ is now known as Barrett[02:46:05] <Ziusudra> is this in Haiku code or your own?[02:46:13] <Duggan> interesting... in programming the BeOS, they say everything has to be in a view, but by the looks of darkwyrms stuff it doesnt[02:46:35] <Duggan> ch15 p7[02:50:06] <Duggan> ok figured the problem out[02:50:15] <Duggan> AddChild instead of AddItem[02:50:28] <Duggan> still isn't displaying though...[02:50:46] <Ziusudra> heh, indeed, I was just typing a response to that effect[02:50:58] *** acous has quit IRC[02:53:45] <Duggan> hmm[02:53:54] <Duggan> brb[02:54:19] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[02:56:00] *** acous has joined #haiku[02:57:54] *** adriano-src has quit IRC[03:06:47] *** Disreali has quit IRC[03:11:06] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[03:13:48] *** l_n has quit IRC[03:18:56] *** LeandroLuiz has joined #haiku[03:19:14] *** Sir_Konrad has quit IRC[03:21:21] *** Sir_Konrad has joined #haiku[03:21:23] *** Sir_Konrad has quit IRC[03:37:05] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[03:38:31] *** unenana has joined #haiku[03:40:43] *** unenana has quit IRC[03:49:56] *** glaborg has quit IRC[03:51:01] *** Megaf has joined #haiku[03:57:34] *** judgen has quit IRC[04:00:46] *** michaelvo has joined #haiku[04:02:30] *** Sir_Konrad has joined #haiku[04:02:32] <michaelvo> hi! someone have a mirror of of Qt 4.7 libs?[04:02:46] <michaelvo> qt-haiku.ru seems slow[04:03:33] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[04:04:37] *** acous has quit IRC[04:07:48] *** michaelvo has quit IRC[04:08:30] <Duggan> grrrr..... stupid thing...[04:09:31] <Duggan> is everything supposed to be in a BView or not? :/[04:10:10] <mmadia> not BWindows ;)[04:10:12] <Duggan> by "everything" I mean all the controls and whatever displayable stuff[04:10:26] *** margiolas has quit IRC[04:10:41] <Duggan> according to darkwyrms tutorials, it would appear not, but according to "programming the be operating system" they are[04:10:57] <Duggan> either way, I can't get this damned listview to display...[04:11:18] <yourpalal> they do need to be in a view[04:11:49] <yourpalal> BUT BWindow::AddChild() inserts them into a view behind the scenes, so that works too.[04:12:06] <Duggan> oh, so they don't need to explicitly be placed in a view[04:12:50] <yourpalal> you don't need to create create views for the sole purpose of holding your listview though, if that is your question[04:13:02] <Duggan> pretty much, yes[04:13:10] <Duggan> now how the hell do I display it? lol[04:13:22] <yourpalal> Do you have your window getting displayed?[04:13:39] <Duggan> yep[04:14:40] <Duggan> 5 lines, the first two set up the listview, the 3rd adds it, the last two create and add an item to the view[04:14:56] <yourpalal> could you pastebin it?[04:15:04] <Duggan> I can try lol[04:15:08] <Duggan> not used to using those things[04:15:49] <yourpalal> very easy! haiku.pastebin.com[04:16:40] <Duggan> haiku? lol ok hold on[04:17:04] <yourpalal> you don't need to use the haiku one, but I like to, for whatever reason :P[04:17:07] <mmadia> haiku.pastebin.org seems to work better with Web+[04:17:58] <Duggan> http://haiku.pastebin.com/qLt5U75U[04:18:28] <Duggan> oops forgot that one line wasn't needed[04:18:30] <Duggan> lemme delete it real quick[04:20:53] *** Trezker has quit IRC[04:21:02] <yourpalal> is that in your BWindow constructor?[04:21:04] *** MattSB has quit IRC[04:21:15] <Duggan> no, its in a second window constructor, but that window displays[04:21:27] *** Trezker has joined #haiku[04:22:16] <yourpalal> but it is in a BWindow constructor?[04:22:19] <Duggan> yep[04:23:43] <yourpalal> so what all displays?[04:23:48] <Duggan> just the window[04:23:48] *** Sir_Konrad has quit IRC[04:24:37] <Duggan> I would assume if nothing else, at least "test" would be there somewhere, assuming a listview and listitem's backgrounds were by default white as well[04:25:05] <Duggan> or BStringItem in this case[04:26:18] <yourpalal> on a side note, have you looked at this: http://www.haiku-os.org/legacy-docs/bebook/BListView_Overview.html[04:26:24] <Duggan> yes[04:26:40] <Duggan> is there something there I'm missing?[04:27:28] <Duggan> ideally I'd want a combo box actually but right now I'm more concerned with just something displaying[04:27:46] <yourpalal> frankly, it seems fine[04:28:25] *** ambroff has quit IRC[04:28:27] <Duggan> does paladin hang on builds for anybody else?[04:28:28] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[04:28:40] <yourpalal> I'm not really familiar with the class, but everything seems fairly normal.[04:29:07] *** olgagirl has joined #haiku[04:29:27] <Duggan> hmm[04:29:41] <Duggan> I'll try a button and see if I have any better luck[04:29:55] <yourpalal> yeah, that is usually what I put into windows[04:30:16] *** olgagirl has quit IRC[04:30:42] <yourpalal> have you tried building it with an explicitly defined rect, like BRect(0, 0, 200, 200) or calling ResizeToPreferred()?[04:33:45] <Duggan> button works[04:33:57] <Duggan> and works with the same variable used for the BRect for the listview[04:34:48] <yourpalal> hmmm[04:35:32] <Duggan> ok got the listview to work[04:35:53] <Duggan> must've been something to do with the flags, I removed all the stuff that had defaults and it displays now[04:36:27] <Duggan> thanks yourpalal[04:36:27] <yourpalal> haha, I see the problem[04:36:47] <Duggan> hehe oops... maybe I'll do better next time[04:36:52] <Duggan> brb a sec[04:38:45] <yourpalal> Duggan: without the B_WILL_DRAW flag, a view will never have its Draw() method called, and so it basically be invisible[04:47:33] *** Barrett has quit IRC[05:03:40] <OmniMancer> why would you want a view that isn't drawn?[05:06:30] *** Ziusudra has quit IRC[05:06:57] *** l_n has joined #haiku[05:06:57] *** l_n has joined #haiku[05:21:56] <yourpalal> OmniMancer: for positioning purposes, I guess[05:22:07] <yourpalal> bbl[05:22:09] *** yourpalal has quit IRC[05:23:43] *** wry has joined #haiku[05:27:42] *** wry has quit IRC[05:34:13] *** wry has joined #haiku[05:35:31] *** mbrumbelow has joined #haiku[05:39:02] <l_n> i need help from someone with a copy of one of the commercial doom wads.[05:39:13] * l_n has a working doom port that needs network tested.[05:43:14] *** mbrumbelow has quit IRC[05:44:24] *** nisstyre65 has joined #haiku[05:47:57] <Disreali> l_n; I'd have to find them.[05:48:23] *** Qeos has quit IRC[05:48:47] *** Qeos has joined #haiku[05:49:13] <Duggan> OmniMancer there reasons why you wouldn't want it drawn[05:49:43] <Duggan> for instance, if you want some group of controls only displayed under certain circumstances[05:49:47] *** warpdesign has joined #haiku[05:49:58] <Duggan> hiding the view would be easier than hiding each control individually[05:50:07] <OmniMancer> mhmm[05:50:44] <Duggan> I, however, misunderstood the description of B_WILL_DRAW[05:50:48] *** leo__ has quit IRC[05:51:27] <Duggan> I thought that told the OS that I was overriding the draw function when I just wanted to use the existing draw function... in fact I was using the base class as opposed to a derived class[05:52:40] <Duggan> a little confusion on my part...[05:55:05] <Duggan> ok, so a socket's accept() function is not asynchronous so I'd have to put it in a seperate thread right?[05:56:21] *** matthias9 has quit IRC[05:57:39] *** matthias9 has joined #haiku[05:58:12] <Xeon3D> l_n: still looking for that commercial dos wad?[05:59:11] <Duggan> also, how would I go about enumerating the current network connections?[06:03:40] <l_n> Xeon3D: i have them[06:03:53] <l_n> for net testing i need other people with them.[06:04:35] <l_n> requires SDL, SDL Mixer, and SDL Net[06:06:48] *** mbrumbelow has joined #haiku[06:07:29] <Duggan> I got wads :)[06:08:33] <l_n> are you using a gcc4[hybrid] haiku?[06:09:03] <Duggan> gcc2 hybrid[06:09:18] <Duggan> but hybrid, yes[06:09:54] <l_n> well, from what i've seen on haikuware.com, sdl_mixer requires a gcc4 media_server build[06:10:10] <l_n> and chocolate-doom requires sdl_mixer :-/[06:10:17] <Duggan> gotcha[06:10:31] *** olgagirl has joined #haiku[06:10:31] <Duggan> that sucks[06:10:54] *** olgagirl has quit IRC[06:11:15] <l_n> it doesn't take long to change :P (or add a 2nd install)[06:11:28] *** yourpalal has joined #haiku[06:12:38] <Duggan> wb yourpalal[06:12:56] <yourpalal> Hi Duggan[06:13:00] <Duggan> l_n I have two installs but don't really want to fight all that right now hehe[06:13:08] <Duggan> hey yourpalal, do you know much about network code?[06:13:30] <yourpalal> sorry, no :([06:13:37] <Duggan> crap :/[06:14:01] *** LeandroLuiz has quit IRC[06:14:14] <Duggan> trying to figure out how to go about enumerating local endpoints or addresses[06:15:06] <yourpalal> hmmm... I wrote some socket code once, for fun[06:15:22] <Duggan> I'm writing this for fun too lol[06:15:51] <Duggan> but if I'm writing a server, I need to be able to enumerate my local endpoints so I know or can select which one I want to host on[06:15:52] <Duggan> right?[06:16:22] <yourpalal> I wrote two programs, one would ask some questions to describe a hat, and then send the answers to the other program over a socket, which would print out something like "Here is your hat, it is size 8, and brown".[06:16:30] <l_n> network code is an assload of boilerplate, IIRC[06:17:05] <yourpalal> hmm, are you writing a server to go over the network for real, or just local communication?[06:17:24] <Duggan> thats just it[06:17:38] <yourpalal> both?[06:17:41] <Duggan> if I have two nics, I have two addresses.... one for the internet, one for lan, etc[06:18:09] <Duggan> one computer can have multiple connections so you'd have to enumerate them to decide which to use[06:18:19] <Duggan> or use each one for a different purpose within the same program[06:18:34] <Duggan> like a webserver, I may want to host one site to the internet but a different site on the lan[06:18:59] <Duggan> make sense?[06:19:10] <yourpalal> ah, that is more complex than my app was :P[06:19:19] <Duggan> its not really that complex hehe[06:19:31] <Duggan> just multiple instances of the same thing[06:21:30] <Duggan> but there should be some way to enumerate the local addresses or whatever[06:22:05] <yourpalal> hmmm... yeah, you want to specify which of your IP addresses you attach the socket to.[06:22:12] <Duggan> exactly[06:22:41] <Duggan> and looking at the network kit, I haven't found anything yet.... and its not that big[06:23:23] <Duggan> how was the network kit different from BONE?[06:23:56] <yourpalal> I have really no clue about that :P[06:30:29] <l_n> hrm.. it's 00:25 here. time for sleep.[06:31:05] <Duggan> l8r l_n[06:31:53] * l_n is idle: sleeping[06:36:55] <yourpalal> Duggan, I think what you need to do is call gethostname() to get your host name, and then use that name with getaddrinfo(), which will return you a linked list of all the ip addresses for a host name (which will be yours in this case)[06:39:43] *** sandra_f has joined #haiku[06:43:44] <Duggan> yourpalal outstanding, thank you[06:43:56] <yourpalal> :D[06:44:19] <Duggan> where did you find that?[06:45:03] <yourpalal> in a few places, just googled around, the wikipedia on getaddrinfo() is helpful[06:45:48] <Duggan> wikipedia has an entry on a function in the haiku api?[06:45:57] <Duggan> hehe[06:46:15] <yourpalal> haha, unfortunately, not yet, those functions are part of POSIX[06:46:32] <Duggan> ah[06:46:48] *** Qeos has quit IRC[06:47:10] <yourpalal> there is this though, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haiku_Interface_Kit[06:48:59] *** Ziusudra has joined #haiku[06:51:24] <Duggan> hey Ziusudra[06:51:42] <Ziusudra> hey[06:51:51] <Duggan> you know anything about network programming?[06:53:19] <Duggan> btw, thanks for the help yourpalal[06:53:28] *** Qeos has joined #haiku[06:53:31] <yourpalal> welcome :D[06:54:49] <Ziusudra> I know one thing about it and that thing is ... jack :P[06:54:59] <Duggan> gotcha[06:58:14] <Duggan> looks like netdb.h has getaddrinfo[06:59:45] <Duggan> hmm ok getaddrinfo isn't it...[07:03:02] <Duggan> ahhhh misread what you said yourpalal[07:04:34] <yourpalal> ah, is that not what you want?[07:05:09] <Duggan> no it is, I just misread it[07:05:26] <Duggan> somehow or other I read "gethostaddrinfo" which of course I couldn't find anywhere[07:05:54] <yourpalal> oh, haha, that must have been frustrating[07:06:22] <Duggan> it was :/[07:06:51] <Duggan> I just can't seem to find a header that defines gethostname...[07:07:07] <Duggan> I mean its THERE, I'm just not sure which one to use, or if I should use any of them[07:07:21] <Duggan> getaddrinfo is in a kit, gethostname isn't that I can see[07:07:44] *** wry has quit IRC[07:08:13] <Duggan> unistd.in.h in src/bin/coreutils/lib/ ?[07:08:27] <yourpalal> yeah, I guess so[07:08:36] <yourpalal> it should be in unistd.h[07:09:28] <Duggan> test[07:09:37] <OmniMancer> xplarg[07:09:40] <Duggan> ./src/system/libroot/posix/unistd/hostname.cpp defines it, but I can't find the declaration in a header that I'd feel safe using...[07:09:52] <Duggan> was the first slash :P[07:10:05] <OmniMancer> unistd[07:11:17] <Duggan> yep, its defined in unistd.h[07:11:55] <OmniMancer> you SHALL feel safe using that[07:12:15] <Duggan> yep, looks like it :P[07:14:25] <Duggan> haha my host name is "shredder"...[07:14:32] <Duggan> ... I should change it to "krang"[07:18:47] *** MasterStarman has joined #haiku[07:22:26] *** Macintech has quit IRC[07:22:32] <Duggan> hmmm[07:22:41] *** sprma has joined #haiku[07:26:12] <Duggan> very interesting...[07:26:18] <yourpalal> ?[07:26:52] <Duggan> I included netdb.h and I'm getting a compile error saying undefined reference to 'getaddrinfo'[07:26:59] *** xray7224 has joined #haiku[07:27:59] *** away345 is now known as dru345[07:28:05] <Duggan> hey dru345[07:28:08] <Duggan> o/[07:28:08] <Ziusudra> hi dru345[07:28:09] <dru345> hello o/[07:31:31] *** sprma has quit IRC[07:32:19] <Duggan> any ideas yourpalal? lol[07:32:21] *** sprma has joined #haiku[07:32:54] *** glaborg has joined #haiku[07:33:04] <yourpalal> hmm, I thought it was in the std. lib :([07:33:43] <Duggan> according to opengrok, its in /headers/posix/netdb.h[07:34:52] <OmniMancer> what?[07:35:07] <OmniMancer> ah link error[07:35:12] <Duggan> getaddrinfo() and freeaddrinfo()[07:35:22] <OmniMancer> I think there is a certain library you must link for network[07:35:27] *** glaborg has quit IRC[07:35:32] *** sprma has quit IRC[07:35:35] <Duggan> gethostname() works like a charm[07:35:36] <OmniMancer> I can't remember which one it is or what its called though :/[07:35:51] <OmniMancer> gethostname is a posix function not network only[07:36:31] <Duggan> getaddrinfo is posix[07:36:52] <Duggan> because the only way I can do what I want to do is through posix :P[07:37:50] *** Disreali has quit IRC[07:39:30] <yourpalal> Duggan, you can try -lsocket, it might work..[07:39:42] <Duggan> ok hold on, lemme figure out how lol[07:40:49] <dru345> there should be a BeAPI (there isn't) :P[07:40:55] <Duggan> not for this[07:42:10] <Duggan> hmm was looking for a libposix.so or libsocket.so but not one...[07:42:15] <Duggan> would libnetapi.so work?[07:42:48] <Duggan> nope[07:43:07] <OmniMancer> there is no libposix that stuff is in libroot.so which is linked by default[07:43:22] <OmniMancer> network is in libnetwork.so or libnetapi.so or whatnot[07:43:29] <OmniMancer> ask a dev :P[07:43:41] <Duggan> I did, they're not answering :P[07:43:56] <Duggan> and paladin crashed again :'([07:44:49] <Duggan> and again :'([07:45:23] <Duggan> yourpalal that didn't work[07:45:24] *** kurain__ has joined #haiku[07:45:46] <kurain__> hello all[07:45:50] <Duggan> hi[07:45:55] <dru345> hi kurain__[07:46:45] <dru345> Duggan why not just look at the network preflet code? :P[07:47:11] <Duggan> good point :P[07:47:20] <Duggan> btw, paladin crashed again lol[07:47:47] <dru345> paladin or pedit?[07:48:22] <Duggan> paladin[07:48:29] <Duggan> haven't had any problems with paledit[07:48:32] <dru345> :([07:48:40] <Duggan> when I build it hangs[07:48:48] <Duggan> I guess about... 50% of the time or so[07:48:50] <Duggan> maybe more[07:49:03] <Duggan> I close the window but I have to kill the process before i can restart it and try again[07:49:16] <Duggan> and it may hang again...[07:51:07] <Duggan> brb[07:55:29] *** tqh has joined #haiku[07:56:02] *** kurain__ has quit IRC[07:58:54] *** Andrius[] has joined #haiku[08:00:11] <Duggan> hmm[08:00:24] <yourpalal> any luck?[08:01:22] <Duggan> no, looking at ioctl[08:02:54] <Duggan> EthernetSettingsView::_GatherInterfaces() from EthernetSettingsView.cpp from Network[08:06:45] *** lorglas has joined #haiku[08:07:28] <Duggan> I don't see me getting what I want that way, not easily anyway...[08:09:27] * dru345 still thinks a higher level API would be of use in this case (there is none defined) :P~[08:09:34] <Duggan> exactly :P[08:09:56] <Duggan> anybody thats going to develop a server is going to want to do this[08:10:06] <dru345> yeah[08:11:00] * OmniMancer underlines the desktop in Haiku a desktop OS in red pen.[08:11:18] <Duggan> you cant just bind to some interface and expect it to work, you may have 2 or 3 or more network connections on one computer and if your webserver binds to 127.0.0.1, you're screwed :P[08:12:00] <OmniMancer> it should bind to 0.0.0.0[08:13:09] <Duggan> PoorMan isn't font sensitive :P[08:13:29] <OmniMancer> huh?[08:13:50] <Duggan> The Poor Man's Web Server isn't font sensitive :P[08:14:03] <OmniMancer> you still make no sense[08:14:18] <Duggan> its under Applications, its called PoorMan[08:15:08] <OmniMancer> yes[08:15:14] <CIA-49> scottmc * r900 /haikuports/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Initial .bep file for pygame, this is a work in progress, not yet building, so listed as broken.[08:15:15] <OmniMancer> and your statement makes no sense[08:15:53] <Duggan> it doesn't rewhatever itself for strings of whatever size[08:15:59] <Duggan> I started it up and theres a string going off the side of the window[08:16:26] <Ziusudra> the directory?[08:16:36] <OmniMancer> ah[08:16:38] <Duggan> yep[08:16:42] <dru345> OmniMancer it doesn't use the Layout Kit :P[08:17:17] <Duggan> do I make sense yet? lol[08:17:19] <OmniMancer> yes[08:17:23] <Duggan> ok good hehe[08:17:38] <OmniMancer> doesn't use layout yet, poke yourpalal[08:17:46] <yourpalal> :P[08:17:53] <dru345> layout needs documentation[08:18:03] <Duggan> layout has (some) documentation[08:18:15] <yourpalal> yes it does, its on my mental todo list[08:18:15] <OmniMancer> layout needs stability[08:18:31] <yourpalal> OmniMancer: any specific complaints?[08:18:40] <Duggan> http://www.haiku-os.org/documents/dev/laying_it_all_out_part_1[08:18:44] <Duggan> of course there's no part 2...[08:19:01] <OmniMancer> not done yet![08:19:06] * dru345 takes the mental todo from yourpalal and carves it in stone so it's easier to see :P[08:19:07] <OmniMancer> make it done![08:19:55] <yourpalal> oh, I see what you meant, API & ABI stability, not functional stability[08:19:56] <Duggan> ergh, I was just going to do something, now I forgot...[08:20:21] *** Elliott_N810 has quit IRC[08:20:37] <Duggan> htonl...[08:21:08] <Duggan> ok thats not it[08:21:28] <yourpalal> haha, htonl, don't you just love those function names?[08:21:42] <Duggan> wonderful :/[08:22:23] <Duggan> can somebody please try to decipher PoorManServer.cpp line 96 into something a little more english-like for me?[08:22:25] <Duggan> it goes something like...[08:22:36] <Duggan> sa4.sa_in.sin_addr.s_addr = htonl(INADDR_ANY);[08:23:12] <Duggan> if nothing else I can try to figure out how the PoorMan picks his IP...[08:23:37] <yourpalal> INADDR_ANY means it just requests whatever IP the OS will give it[08:24:05] <Duggan> ok, but htonl just converts byte order[08:24:30] <yourpalal> right[08:24:31] <Duggan> so does that mean that INADDR_ANY already contains an IP or does that mean that htonl returns an IP?[08:25:10] <yourpalal> INADDR_ANY is a magic value, that the OS checks for[08:25:32] <Duggan> so I could just pass that as my ip and magic happens?[08:25:40] <yourpalal> yes[08:25:46] <yourpalal> TA-DAA!![08:25:46] <Duggan> not quite what I was looking for....[08:25:51] <Duggan> BUT YOU COULD HAVE TOLD ME SOONER![08:25:56] <Duggan> :P[08:26:01] <yourpalal> lol :P[08:26:17] <OmniMancer> you could have asked sooner[08:26:34] <Duggan> I always liked Haiku, but I never knew it was magical...[08:26:42] <lorglas> hi[08:26:47] <Duggan> hi[08:27:24] <OmniMancer> that magic is in an BSD sockets implementation I think[08:28:08] <Duggan> so now that we've come this far... how do we enumerate the current IPs?...[08:28:21] <Duggan> is there an INADDR_NEXT?....[08:28:50] <yourpalal> no, but if you request the same port with INADDR_ANY, it should give you the next IP[08:29:42] <Duggan> ah[08:29:49] <Duggan> dammit why didn't you say this before? :P[08:29:54] <yourpalal> this page http://www.haiku-os.org/legacy-docs/bebook/NetworkSockets.html actually give this example[08:31:13] <yourpalal> wait, wrong page... where did I see it..[08:31:34] <yourpalal> oh no, it is there[08:31:39] <yourpalal> under bind()[08:32:38] <OmniMancer> Duggan: you didn't ask before[08:33:04] <Duggan> yeah sin_addr[08:33:07] <Duggan> I think thats it[08:33:36] <Duggan> so I'd just have to bind sockets in a loop until I run out of IPs, then release them and I have my list, hm?[08:34:50] <Duggan> it says "means that you want to bind to every address by which your computer is known" that doesn't make sense...[08:35:02] *** tqh has quit IRC[08:35:16] <Duggan> it automatically binds to every ip? or does it just bind to one?...[08:36:50] <yourpalal> hmm, I thought it always bound to just one, you'll have to try it, I guess, look at the warning[08:38:59] <Duggan> trying to figure out what header to include...[08:39:15] <Duggan> says its declared in kit/net/socket.h but its not compiling[08:39:28] <Duggan> tried several variations[08:39:58] <yourpalal> try sys/socket.h[08:40:30] <OmniMancer> not compiling how?[08:41:44] <Duggan> compiled but haven't implemented any of it yet.... and paladin crashed again lol[08:42:14] <dru345> what paladin are you using?[08:42:27] <Duggan> 1.2[08:42:29] <Duggan> I think its 1.2.2[08:42:34] <dru345> ok[08:42:41] <Duggan> just says 1.2 in about though[08:44:05] <Duggan> erm[08:44:14] <Duggan> so theres no libnet.so that I'm aware of...[08:45:05] <Duggan> theres a libbnetapi.so, a libnetwork.so thats all I can find[08:45:13] <Duggan> is it libnetwork.so instead of libnet.so?[08:49:14] *** xray7224 has quit IRC[08:50:10] *** mbrumbelow has quit IRC[09:07:58] <Duggan> can someone tell me where sockaddr_in is defined? opengrok doesn't like me :([09:08:13] <OmniMancer> it is defined where it is[09:10:19] <Duggan> think I got it...[09:11:46] <Duggan> this example sucks...[09:12:20] <yourpalal> sockets suck :P[09:13:02] *** michaelvo has joined #haiku[09:13:28] * michaelvo hits the head on the wall: smplayer don't recognize mplayer libs[09:20:07] <Duggan> trying to write software for this OS is going to drive me insane...[09:20:35] <Duggan> implicit declaration of function 'int memset(...)'[09:21:27] <yourpalal> what does that line look like?[09:21:33] <OmniMancer> that is probably gcc being evil[09:21:42] <Duggan> memset(sa.sin_zero, 0, sizeof(sa.sin_zero));[09:23:20] <yourpalal> okay, that looks fine... you've included string.h, I assume[09:23:51] <Duggan> no :/ works now :'([09:24:15] <Duggan> thats what I get for assuming something I guess[09:25:27] <Duggan> my brain is fried after all this...[09:26:31] <Duggan> ok, this one I think is a little tougher...[09:26:45] <Duggan> implicit blah blah blah.... closesocket[09:27:15] <Duggan> and I've got sys/socket.h and netinet/in.h already included[09:31:55] <Duggan> replaced it with close()... undef ref to socket() and bind() now...[09:32:21] <yourpalal> haha, this isn't going so well is it?[09:32:27] <Duggan> no[09:34:13] <Duggan> any other ideas?[09:35:20] <Duggan> libnetwork.so worked... I think[09:38:48] <Duggan> I'm going out of my damned mind...[09:39:00] <Duggan> ok, so I included string.h... but I cant create a string...[09:39:36] <yourpalal> for std::string, you must include <string>, string.h is a C header[09:39:49] <Duggan> ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh[09:39:50] <Duggan> thank you[09:39:53] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[09:39:57] <yourpalal> :D[09:40:10] <Duggan> see THAT I DIDN'T know[09:40:27] *** largo has joined #haiku[09:40:31] <Duggan> I prefer .h at the end of my header names myself...[09:41:27] <yourpalal> you can also include cstring.h, which is the same as string.h, but a little more transparent[09:41:35] <Duggan> ah[09:51:23] *** JonathanThompson has joined #haiku[09:52:31] *** dru345 is now known as away345[09:52:36] <away345> bye all[09:52:39] *** Xeon3D has quit IRC[09:53:14] *** away345 has quit IRC[09:53:15] <OmniMancer> cstring not cstring.h is the C++ header wrapping string.h[09:53:33] <OmniMancer> it dumps certain things in std namespace[09:54:15] <yourpalal> right, sorry :S[09:54:20] <Duggan> ok a little c++ trivia...[09:54:37] <Duggan> I've got an array of structs, do I reference the members by . or ->?[09:55:08] <Duggan> I'm rusty on arrays, I always do linked lists...[09:55:12] <yourpalal> myArray[3].whatever[09:55:18] <Duggan> thats what I thought[09:55:23] <Duggan> I get a non-aggregate type error[09:55:36] <yourpalal> if you have an array of pointers to structs it would be myArray[3]->whatever[09:56:07] <Duggan> request for member 'sin_addr' in 'socks[a]', which is of non-aggregate type 'int'[09:56:23] <Duggan> except sin_addr is a struct with a member that is an int[09:56:35] <OmniMancer> int is nor a struct[09:56:42] <OmniMancer> not[09:56:49] <Duggan> I know that, but sin_addr is[09:57:02] <yourpalal> so what does your code look like then?[09:57:06] <Duggan> sin_addr is a struct that contains one thing, an int, named s_addr[09:57:10] <OmniMancer> but socks is not an array of structs[09:57:17] <Duggan> yes it is[09:57:23] <OmniMancer> no its not[09:57:42] <yourpalal> how do you declare it?[09:57:43] <Duggan> damn you're right[09:57:48] <OmniMancer> otherwise the compiler wouldn't complain at you[09:57:54] <Duggan> then where the hell.... hmm...[09:58:05] <OmniMancer> the compiler is more right than you Duggan[09:58:21] <Duggan> I told you I'm braindead[09:58:33] <Duggan> thought it was a sockaddr_in[09:58:50] <Duggan> not been feeling well lately, certainly not now...[10:01:25] <Duggan> ok again, help me out here one last step...[10:01:58] <Duggan> array of ints is a pointer, with a subscript its an int, so reference it and typecast as a void*?.....[10:02:18] <OmniMancer> wha?[10:02:28] <OmniMancer> what are you trying to do?[10:02:39] <Duggan> IPList->AddItem(new BStringItem(inet_ntop(AF_INET,(void*)&socks[a],buffer,INET_ADDRSTRLEN)));[10:02:41] <Duggan> is that right?[10:03:19] <Duggan> the second parameter in the call to inet_ntop requests a void*[10:03:23] <Duggan> instead i have an array of ints[10:04:43] <OmniMancer> what do you want to do/[10:05:15] <Duggan> it takes the 32 bit integer form of an ip and turns it into a char[][10:05:29] <Duggan> I have an array of integers[10:05:33] <Duggan> and its in a loop[10:05:48] <Duggan> and I want to take each integer, get a pointer for it and cast it as a void* so the function will take it[10:06:06] <Duggan> so that would look like (void*)&socks[a] right?[10:06:20] <OmniMancer> don't know[10:06:31] <Duggan> yourpalal?[10:06:45] <yourpalal> just &socks[a] should work, but you could also put 'socks + a'[10:06:56] <Duggan> I was just thinking that[10:07:10] *** marc_smith has joined #haiku[10:07:16] <Duggan> I mean... what I have compiles, it just doesn't display anything :/[10:07:20] <Duggan> go figure[10:07:23] <yourpalal> HOWEVER, just because a compiler will accept that doesn't make it right! Are you sure that you should be using a pointer to an int?[10:07:53] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[10:08:02] <Duggan> http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/functions/inet_pton.html[10:08:03] <Duggan> hey PulkoMandy[10:09:12] *** Xeon3D has joined #haiku[10:09:16] <Duggan> hey Xeon3D[10:09:22] <michaelvo> hi all[10:09:27] <marc_smith> hello there[10:09:35] <Duggan> hi michaelvo[10:09:37] <Duggan> hi marc_smith[10:10:42] <Xeon3D> yo[10:10:43] <Xeon3D> :)[10:10:51] * Duggan is braindead.[10:10:54] <marc_smith> what 3rd party apps are you using on your haiku? the most useful ones ;)[10:11:03] <Xeon3D> hummmm[10:11:09] <Xeon3D> BeZilla Browser? :D[10:11:25] <marc_smith> really? hmm, I don't use it 'cause I thought it's too old[10:11:28] <Xeon3D> that's preety much what I use: BeZilla Browser, Vision, Terminal and Pe[10:11:40] <marc_smith> and what about IRC client?[10:11:44] <Xeon3D> Vision :P[10:11:45] <marc_smith> music/video apps?[10:11:48] <Xeon3D> none.[10:11:49] <Duggan> no[10:11:50] <marc_smith> aah, right[10:11:56] <marc_smith> cool[10:11:59] <Xeon3D> but there is VLC[10:12:07] <marc_smith> yeah, it works like magic[10:12:13] *** kurain__ has joined #haiku[10:12:14] <marc_smith> better than mediaplayer imho[10:12:23] <Duggan> did they ever say they were going to pick support back up yet?[10:12:30] <Xeon3D> ?[10:12:33] <marc_smith> I wish I could know[10:12:34] <Xeon3D> Duggan: pick support?[10:12:40] <Xeon3D> who, the VLC guys?[10:12:47] <Duggan> I remember when vlc dropped haiku for having a crappy compiler[10:13:02] <Duggan> wasn't that long ago[10:13:07] <Xeon3D> I'm not sure if that was indeed the reason for dropping it...[10:13:18] <Xeon3D> anyway I've seen 1.0.x running on haiku somewhere[10:13:24] <Duggan> Xeon3D it was[10:13:33] *** iIngenu has joined #haiku[10:13:44] <Xeon3D> http://haikuware.com/20100129463/vlc-104-on-haiku[10:14:11] <Duggan> they were moving to some newer library that required gcc3 something or other and haiku couldn't produce at the time, so they just stopped supporting it[10:14:36] <marc_smith> I'd like to see Firefox in Haiku[10:14:49] <marc_smith> not that BeZilla, Ff-like browser :P[10:15:26] <michaelvo> FF is a giant best[10:15:28] <Xeon3D> BeZilla is FF.[10:15:29] <marc_smith> Webpositive just doesn't fit right yet[10:15:38] <michaelvo> use Arora instead[10:15:42] <marc_smith> I know it is huge [FF][10:15:46] <michaelvo> with the new Qt 4.7 port[10:16:11] <marc_smith> hmm Arora ... yes, I used it on Linux. Is it available for Haiku?[10:16:16] <Duggan> web+ is working fantastically, albeit no youtube yet :P[10:16:29] <marc_smith> YT is no problem to me ;)[10:16:35] <marc_smith> I actually dislike flash[10:16:49] <marc_smith> piece of utter crap![10:16:53] <marc_smith> d'oh![10:16:53] <Duggan> yourpalal whats the word?[10:17:04] *** yourpalal has quit IRC[10:17:12] <Duggan> nevermind :|[10:17:19] <marc_smith> Duggan: what is web+ anyway?[10:17:25] <Duggan> webpositive[10:17:27] <marc_smith> aaa[10:17:41] <Duggan> like net+ = netpositive[10:17:47] <marc_smith> yeah, got it[10:17:56] <marc_smith> like i++ ![10:17:59] <marc_smith> jk[10:18:08] <michaelvo> nor Qt minitube don't work...[10:18:33] <marc_smith> does Arora for Haiku base on webkit?[10:20:50] *** J-Ho has joined #haiku[10:20:59] <Xeon3D> Arora for Haiku is based on whatever Arora for <other os> is based on.[10:22:07] <marc_smith> so it probobly has safari browser engine[10:23:35] <Xeon3D> which is webkit...[10:24:03] <michaelvo> Arora is based in QtWebKit[10:24:23] <marc_smith> yeah[10:26:29] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[10:31:29] <Duggan> awesome... so when I enumerate, I get IPs of 3.0.0.0, 7.0.0.0, 8.0.0.0, and 9.0.0.0[10:31:35] <Duggan> :([10:37:48] <Duggan> ok feeling idiotic again...[10:42:08] <marc_smith> I always fail in math[10:42:46] <marc_smith> not some tests - these went ok to pass all the exams back when I was studying[10:43:16] <marc_smith> but I think I have some problems with counting! lol[10:44:45] <Xeon3D> :O[10:44:48] <Xeon3D> Chrome 6 is fast.[10:45:58] <marc_smith> Chrome looks like a fisher-prize toy and it comes from Ze Land Of Evil, which is Google. Google eats babies[10:46:28] <surrounder> they do make a kickass cellphone OS though[10:46:38] <marc_smith> yeah, it's nice[10:46:58] <surrounder> definitly[10:47:05] * surrounder pets his HTC Legend[10:47:10] <marc_smith> but after recent news about remote backdoors ... well, that's not good[10:47:33] <marc_smith> and 'everyone has it' is no explanation[10:47:41] <marc_smith> for kicking your privacy[10:47:54] <surrounder> that's true[10:48:19] <marc_smith> surrounder: is there any way to disable that user<>google channel inside your AndroidOS?[10:48:19] <surrounder> still, it is an explanation, try to find a smartphone OS who doesn't do that[10:48:30] <surrounder> marc_smith: how do you mean exactly ?[10:48:51] <marc_smith> well, is there a way to close the ports or remove affected application[10:49:04] <marc_smith> I'd scan the beast with nmap if I were you[10:49:34] <marc_smith> although they might use some cellular network push-like service messages[10:49:45] <marc_smith> to trigger things[10:50:13] <surrounder> I'm just not that worried about it[10:50:32] <surrounder> more worried about my provider then google when it comes to the phone[10:50:55] <marc_smith> hmm, ok[10:52:45] * michaelvo building mplayer withou SDL crap[10:54:32] <marc_smith> what's wrong with SDL anyway, michaelvo ? ;)[10:55:35] <michaelvo> in truth SDL works badly on Haiku.. In BeOS, the GLUT and Bwindow implementations is better[10:55:52] <michaelvo> so works better[10:56:41] <marc_smith> ok[10:56:41] <michaelvo> And mplayer works decent with SDL, but.. smplayer don't recognize it[10:56:57] <michaelvo> so I'm building again.. but without SDL[10:57:03] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[10:57:23] <marc_smith> put the pkg somewhere so other ppl don't have to do it ;)[10:57:50] <marc_smith> I'd certainly use it[10:57:57] <marc_smith> I hate compiling[10:59:12] <michaelvo> all is in Haikuware.com[10:59:13] <michaelvo> :D[10:59:22] <michaelvo> hum.. mplayer without SDL don't work[10:59:37] <michaelvo> will be necessary a native bwindow implementation[10:59:58] <marc_smith> I know there's Haikuware, but you're building a custom pkg ;)[11:01:00] <michaelvo> :D[11:01:34] <michaelvo> if works, I'll share too[11:05:33] *** naaina has joined #haiku[11:07:16] *** Leon9 has quit IRC[11:10:11] <Duggan> I'm losing my damned mind...[11:10:34] <Xeon3D> why?[11:13:23] *** Nozy has quit IRC[11:15:47] <Duggan> tell you why...[11:16:14] <Duggan> IPList->AddItem(new BStringItem("Error!"));[11:16:17] <Duggan> was crashing my program[11:16:20] <Duggan> but I just figured out why[11:16:48] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[11:22:18] <Duggan> you have got to be kidding me...[11:26:03] <Trezker> Because IPList wasn't a valid pointer?[11:26:40] <michaelvo> someone could implement bwindow support for mplayer[11:26:47] <michaelvo> :P[11:27:29] <Duggan> Trezker yep, but thats not my problem now[11:27:52] <Duggan> I'm pretty much braindead right now, but still trying my best to hang on...[11:28:09] *** marc_smith has quit IRC[11:28:30] <Trezker> Your persistence is admirable[11:28:50] <Duggan> for instance, if I call gethostname() then call gethostbyname using the same name I just got, I get an "unknown host" error...[11:29:26] <Duggan> thank you[11:29:47] <Duggan> if I use localhost or 127.0.0.1, all I get back is 127.0.0.1[11:30:04] <Duggan> and obviously thats not my only ip... 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nothing.[15:30:06] <Xeon3D> just a bit too quiet[15:30:13] <Xeon3D> hey kurain__, phoudoin[15:30:19] <Duggan> its split a few times, not sure why[15:30:27] <kurain__> that is it[15:30:51] <kurain__> so many people were forced off[15:31:01] <Xeon3D> probably due to some ddosing[15:31:07] <kurain__> maybe it is all[15:34:05] *** The123king has joined #haiku[15:34:18] <The123king> :o[15:35:57] <Xeon3D> yo[15:37:10] *** Ola has joined #haiku[15:37:38] *** Ola is now known as Guest73859[15:37:49] *** Sir_Konrad has quit IRC[15:40:53] *** Guest73859 is now known as OlaHughson[15:47:00] <gluon> yoyo[15:56:07] *** marc_smith has joined #haiku[15:56:48] *** marc_smith has quit IRC[15:59:23] <Duggan> hey gluon[15:59:29] <Duggan> The123king, Xeon3D[15:59:34] <Duggan> kurain__[16:02:26] *** adriano-src has joined #haiku[16:04:55] *** mmadia has quit IRC[16:08:03] *** talimanB has joined #haiku[16:08:32] *** oZ] has joined #haiku[16:20:22] *** J-Ho has left #haiku[16:27:05] *** mmlr has joined #haiku[16:29:04] *** helf has joined #haiku[16:32:57] <kurain__> well, duggan[16:36:36] *** helf|laptop has quit IRC[16:43:59] *** brobostigon has joined #haiku[16:44:42] <brobostigon> afternoonings all.[16:45:03] *** evanosxi has joined #haiku[16:48:38] *** yourpalal has joined #haiku[16:48:54] <kurain__> night all[16:49:03] <kurain__> :">[16:49:09] <brobostigon> night kurain__[16:51:16] *** talimanB has quit IRC[16:53:08] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[16:54:40] *** dru345 has joined #haiku[16:56:38] *** xray7224 has joined #haiku[16:57:35] *** evanosxi has quit IRC[16:57:57] *** veve-mao has joined #haiku[17:09:43] *** lorglas has left #haiku[17:10:30] *** gwenael has quit IRC[17:14:25] *** SexPistols1 has quit IRC[17:15:11] *** tqh has joined #haiku[17:17:55] *** sprma has quit IRC[17:22:46] *** naaina has quit IRC[17:22:50] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[17:27:08] *** gwenael has joined #haiku[17:32:20] *** mmlr has quit IRC[17:34:25] *** markos_ has quit IRC[17:35:07] <CIA-49> stippi * r37416 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/bus_managers/pci/pci_root.cpp:[17:35:07] <CIA-49> Patch by kaliber. Fixes mismatched types for the PCI domain attribute! Closes[17:35:07] <CIA-49> #6269, thanks![17:35:30] *** Megaf has joined #haiku[17:37:40] *** iIngenu has joined #haiku[17:39:21] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[17:39:51] *** humdinger has quit IRC[17:40:37] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[17:40:42] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[17:42:53] *** strohi has joined #haiku[17:44:26] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[17:53:23] *** sprma has joined #haiku[17:55:26] *** markos_ has joined #haiku[17:55:45] *** raichoo has joined #haiku[17:57:28] *** mmadia has quit IRC[18:00:12] *** Barrett has quit IRC[18:06:40] <kurain__> hello humdinger[18:06:56] <humdinger> hi there[18:07:03] <kurain__> are you wating for the world cup tonight[18:07:13] <humdinger> of course :)[18:07:29] <kurain__> it should be a hard game[18:07:51] <humdinger> yeah. the spaniards are tough...[18:08:05] <kurain__> I am waiting for it too[18:08:37] <humdinger> that would be in the middle of the night for you, right?[18:10:14] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[18:18:24] <CIA-49> zooey * r37417 /haiku/branches/developer/zooey/posix-locale/src/system/libroot/posix/glibc/wctype/ (. wchar-lookup.h wchar-lookup.h wctype.h wctype.h):[18:18:24] <CIA-49> * reverted the part of r37414 that broke the build - some glibc headers[18:18:24] <CIA-49> are still needed, tsk![18:18:33] <gluon> the 'wise octupus' picked up spain as the winner, I think he's wrong this time though[18:18:46] <gluon> octopus*[18:19:22] <humdinger> I hope octopus is just a nickname, not an actual animal...[18:19:45] <gluon> it's an actual animal, it's been on the news[18:19:52] <humdinger> oh crap :)[18:20:39] <gluon> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJYv5rul11M[18:20:59] *** x-pilot has quit IRC[18:21:04] <humdinger> flashless Haiku...[18:21:38] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[18:21:44] *** adriano-src has quit IRC[18:22:23] <mmadia> anyone know how to download Facebook videos from within Haiku?[18:22:24] <gluon> http://www.mmegi.bw/index.php?sid=8&aid=0001&dir=2010/July/Wednesday7[18:23:06] <gluon> ^^ psychic octopus is his name :)[18:24:09] <mmadia> got it. downfacebook.com[18:24:26] <humdinger> his name seems to be "Paul".[18:25:00] <humdinger> Here are some of the important words in that article:[18:25:02] <humdinger> According to his owners....[18:25:13] <humdinger> They say ...[18:25:55] <humdinger> "Correspondents says Paul's plumping for Spain has caused alarm in the country."[18:26:07] <gluon> lol[18:26:14] <humdinger> I didn't even heard of Paule before :)[18:26:47] <gluon> and you're from germany right?[18:26:59] <humdinger> yes.[18:27:15] <gluon> haiku geeks don't watch tv :P[18:27:40] <humdinger> correct. the tv app isn't yet working AFAIK. :)[18:27:47] <gluon> :D[18:27:58] <humdinger> Also, I don't have a tv card anymore in my notebook.[18:28:17] <humdinger> I could stream TV from my satellite reeceiver...[18:28:25] <humdinger> ... but MediaPlayer won't stream yet.[18:28:43] <gluon> do you know why the portuguese i18n entries are one level deeper than all the other languages here: http://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/TitleIndex[18:28:57] <gluon> there's this extra pt_PT node that no other language has[18:29:45] <humdinger> no idea...[18:29:56] <humdinger> maybe I screwed up when creating the pages...[18:30:17] <humdinger> Should I recreate them properly and you migrate things over.[18:30:35] <humdinger> maybe mmadia can then delete the crappy ones[18:30:53] <gluon> I agree[18:31:22] <gluon> let me backup the contents first[18:31:33] <mmadia> i'll be afk for an hour or so.[18:31:36] <humdinger> sure.[18:31:44] <humdinger> I'll have dinner now anyway.[18:31:47] <humdinger> l8er[18:31:57] *** humdinger is now known as humdinger-afk[18:32:24] *** Barrett has quit IRC[18:35:31] *** x-pilot has joined #haiku[18:40:26] *** jmelesky has joined #haiku[18:40:33] <CIA-49> zooey * r37418 /haiku/branches/developer/zooey/posix-locale/ (11 files in 2 dirs):[18:40:33] <CIA-49> * fix build with gcc4[18:40:33] <CIA-49> * removed some superfluous inclusions of <new>[18:40:39] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[18:42:50] *** iIngenu has quit IRC[18:43:14] *** x-pilot has quit IRC[18:58:04] *** Trezker has quit IRC[19:00:02] *** humdinger-afk is now known as humdinger[19:00:34] <humdinger> gluon: Strange. The actual URLs for the pt_PT wiki pages are correct.[19:00:54] *** x-pilot has joined #haiku[19:01:10] <humdinger> it's just the TitleIndex page at http://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/TitleIndex that lists an extra pt_PT level.[19:01:24] <humdinger> And that page seems to be generated automatically.[19:06:42] <idefix_xifedi> humdinger: maybe because there exists a i18n/pt_PT page?[19:07:36] *** Megaf has quit IRC[19:07:56] <humdinger> idefix_xifedi: That just might be it![19:08:16] <humdinger> But how it came to be in the first place...[19:08:37] <humdinger> Quick. Fetch me mmadia.[19:08:44] * humdinger calls "mmadia"![19:08:47] <idefix_xifedi> maybe the other ones also need that, as an trac error isn't very userfriendly: http://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/i18n/de_DE[19:09:44] <humdinger> But it's not needed really.[19:10:08] <humdinger> And it's not really an error, but just a page that doesn't exist (yet).[19:11:55] <idefix_xifedi> but then "de_DE" shouldn't be a link on http://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/i18n/de_DE/Info[19:12:23] <humdinger> in the breadcrumb on top?[19:12:46] <idefix_xifedi> yep[19:13:39] <humdinger> well. it would be better if what is now on the "Info" pages would have been on the upper level xx_XX from the beginning.[19:13:46] <humdinger> But it's a bit late now.[19:15:08] <humdinger> OTOH, maybe we can use it some time in the future when localization of the system wants to have a wiki page or two, too.[19:19:52] *** Ingenu has joined #haiku[19:20:33] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[19:21:44] *** Ingenu has joined #haiku[19:21:48] *** acous has joined #haiku[19:29:53] <gluon> let me read the buffer...[19:32:03] <gluon> hmm makes sense[19:32:36] <gluon> maybe Xeon3D created the i18n/pt_PT page (does he have permission for this?)[19:32:59] *** Trezker has joined #haiku[19:33:03] <humdinger> I think everyone with wiki write permissions can create pages.[19:33:18] <humdinger> It may have been me, too however...[19:33:54] <humdinger> Only deleting pages isn't that easy.[19:34:04] <humdinger> We'll ask mmadia when we see him.[19:34:13] <gluon> alright[19:34:56] <idefix_xifedi> humdinger: not according to the history: http://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/i18n/pt_PT?action=history ;)[19:35:22] <humdinger> good work, sherlock :)[19:36:07] *** sprma has quit IRC[19:36:12] <gluon> hm, check this:[19:36:15] <gluon> http://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/i18n?action=history[19:36:40] <gluon> humdinger added Portuguese page[19:37:32] <humdinger> yes but that's just when adding the entry to the i18n overview page.[19:37:36] <gluon> the funny thing is that I agree with idefix_xifedi, it makes sense to have a top level page[19:37:45] <gluon> oh, ok[19:38:20] <humdinger> Feel free to add the i18n/pt_PT page :)[19:38:42] <humdinger> I guess it would be a good place to point to the userguide and the system localization pages.[19:38:54] <mmadia> ping[19:38:55] <humdinger> Only that ATM there're just the userguide pages.[19:39:05] <gluon> pong mmadia[19:39:07] <humdinger> pong mmadia.[19:39:09] <humdinger> :)[19:39:11] <gluon> :)[19:39:17] <gluon> the wiki guru :P[19:39:23] <gluon> trac guru[19:39:45] <humdinger> We were just deciding if we'd like to have the accidental page http://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/i18n/pt_PT removed or not.[19:40:27] <humdinger> As you can see here: http://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/TitleIndex[19:40:41] <humdinger> It's the only top level page for the i18n pages.[19:40:58] <mmadia> yeah, i'd toss it, as Trac now automatically shows the subpages, eg, http://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/i18n/uk_UA[19:41:49] <mmadia> http://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/R1/Alpha2 for a better example[19:42:20] <mmadia> wait... that seems to be exposed only to 'admin' :|[19:42:21] <idefix_xifedi> I get an Trac error on both pages[19:42:25] <humdinger> Maybe one day we'll need such an upper level page where we link to different kind of i18n activities.[19:42:34] <humdinger> e.g. localization - translation[19:44:41] *** kurain__ has left #haiku[19:44:49] <humdinger> as I said, it's not an error, but the usual note that the page doesn't yet exist and if you'd like to create it.[19:45:03] <humdinger> And it does list the sub-pages, so that's nice at least.[19:45:31] <idefix_xifedi> for admins maybe, but not for ordinairy users like me ;)[19:45:32] <mmadia> only if you've wiki editor permissions.[19:45:43] <humdinger> ah[19:45:46] <humdinger> ic, sorry...[19:45:48] <mmadia> lemme test some things.[19:45:56] <gluon> thanks you[19:48:03] <humdinger> Hey. I just got the info that the article got over 30.000 hits: http://www.pro-linux.de/artikel/2/1443/haiku-eine-alternative-fuer-den-desktop.html[19:48:06] <humdinger> Cool.[19:48:27] <humdinger> Now if 1% would become Haiku users in the future... :)[19:49:09] <humdinger> ...each donating 5 EUR / month...[19:49:15] <gluon> :)[19:49:55] <gluon> 30K hits wow... I'll use google translation to read it[19:53:06] * brobostigon is german fluent, so doesnt need tranlation.[19:55:14] *** veve-mao has quit IRC[19:55:56] <mmadia> humdinger : no idea how to expose that functionality of listing the sub pages by default.[19:56:24] *** ambroff has joined #haiku[19:56:40] <humdinger> no matter. it's not that much of a killer feature.[19:58:13] *** SexPistols1 has joined #haiku[19:58:33] <mmadia> i like it, it's an automatic index page. :)[19:59:00] <yourpalal> google translation spit out the phrase 'small-chested phones' :P[20:00:19] <humdinger> Actually, that's a not too bad a literal translation of "schmalbrüstig"[20:01:27] <yourpalal> haha, really? I assume in the context though it wasn't appropriate? Or is it a colloquialism of some sort?[20:02:31] <gluon> mmadia: what happens if you delete http://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/i18n/pt_PT[20:02:31] <humdinger> it's colloquial for ... hmmm... "under-powered".[20:02:37] <luroh> 'Kein Themingfähiger Desktop' <-- damn straight. real men don't theme.[20:02:51] <humdinger> And wrong to boot.[20:03:07] <humdinger> We can do theming. MacOS, Amiga and classic BeOS[20:03:18] <humdinger> It's just not enabled :)[20:03:35] <mmadia> gluon : that automatic page index only displays for people with wiki edit permissions. i'm trying to see how non-logged in users can see that information.[20:03:37] <humdinger> The comments are mostly pretty stupid...[20:04:20] <humdinger> I have to move now. We'll see if my connection holds...[20:07:21] *** humdinger has quit IRC[20:07:30] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[20:09:06] *** humdinger has quit IRC[20:10:30] *** andybe has joined #haiku[20:10:57] *** andybe has quit IRC[20:14:21] <dru345> haiku can do theming? O.o[20:17:00] <luroh> oh yes, behold the lovely citrus theme http://revolf.free.fr/beos/shots/shot_haiku_theme_citrus.png[20:17:37] <luroh> the deskbar in particular :)[20:17:44] *** tqh has quit IRC[20:17:52] <dru345> well it certainly lets you colorize even now but theming is something different :P[20:18:57] <dru345> citrus is almost as nice as the old Windows Hotdog Stand ;)[20:19:28] <luroh> hehe, almost[20:21:29] *** tqh has joined #haiku[20:21:38] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[20:22:26] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[20:22:58] *** [Katisu]_m has joined #haiku[20:23:06] <CIA-49> pulkomandy * r37419 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/app/ (FontCacheEntry.cpp GlyphLayoutEngine.h):[20:23:07] <CIA-49> * Avoid falling back to VL Gothic if the font with a missing glyph is VL Gothic itself.[20:23:07] <CIA-49> * Some cleanup and style fixes.[20:25:01] *** [Katisu] has quit IRC[20:25:01] *** [Katisu]_m is now known as [Katisu][20:33:06] *** peerkoel has quit IRC[20:37:52] *** peerkoel has joined #haiku[20:42:36] *** tqh has quit IRC[20:44:25] *** peerkoel has quit IRC[21:01:50] *** peerkoel has joined #haiku[21:14:09] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[21:25:03] *** The123king has quit IRC[21:28:17] *** wry has joined #haiku[21:29:59] *** The123king has joined #haiku[21:34:56] *** The123king has quit IRC[21:35:23] <CIA-49> pulkomandy * r37420 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/deskbar/ (BarApp.cpp BarApp.h):[21:35:23] <CIA-49> Deskbar now uses a BMessage for storing its settings, instead of the old[21:35:23] <CIA-49> raw file. Sorry, but You'll have to reconfigure your deskar to[21:35:23] <CIA-49> accomodate this![21:36:02] *** Shisui has joined #haiku[21:36:48] *** The123king has joined #haiku[21:38:09] *** [r4] has joined #haiku[21:39:30] *** The123king has quit IRC[21:41:15] *** The123king has joined #haiku[21:47:44] *** mmlr has joined #haiku[21:47:50] *** oZ] has quit IRC[21:52:57] <The123king> Urghhhh..... I wish Adobe wrote a Flash plugin for Haiku and Web+....[21:54:24] <saivert> no flash on Haiku. lets be clear[21:54:26] <brobostigon> The123king: would http://github.com/jjl/get_iplayer a perl script work under haiku, if so, all you need is vlc.[21:55:37] <The123king> funnily enough brobostigon, that's almost perfect[21:55:41] <dru345> why would you want flash, The123king?[21:55:47] <The123king> Sadly i'm under *shudder* Windows ATM[21:55:57] <The123king> iPlayer and youtube[21:55:59] <brobostigon> The123king: works under windows aswell.[21:56:18] <dru345> ic. youtube i can understand. iPlayer I can't have anyway :P[21:56:25] <The123king> brobostigon: I'm only using windows because flash doesn't work under Haiku :[21:56:34] <The123king> :P[21:56:50] <helf> I'm under windows :D[21:56:58] <brobostigon> The123king: you dont need to now, atlast for iplayer.[21:57:11] <The123king> i used to boot and love this 'orrid heap of Redmond turd...[21:57:29] <brobostigon> ohwell.[21:57:31] <The123king> Then i installed Haiku and completely uprooted and converted[21:57:36] <brobostigon> :)[21:57:37] <brobostigon> yay[21:57:38] <helf> I love the hate people pile on MS[21:57:42] <helf> heh[21:57:56] <helf> dont convert to a barely production worthy OS :p[21:58:20] <The123king> helf: I prefer windows over Linux[21:58:27] <The123king> but i prefer Haiku over both of them[21:58:40] <helf> kewl[21:58:48] <helf> i cannot wait for haiku r1 myself[21:59:02] <The123king> and what do you mean not "production-worthy"? I've been booting Haiku for the last 3 or 4 weeks now, and only had one KDL in that time[21:59:28] <helf> it still has the "randomly eat your FS" bug[21:59:45] <The123king> I've not experienced it[22:00:13] <The123king> And i thought that got fixed before R1A1?[22:01:22] <The123king> If i had the money, i'd love to put up a bounty for a WINE port....[22:01:33] <The123king> Lets hope i win the lottery tonight[22:02:00] <helf> meh[22:02:11] <helf> put up a bounty for native apps with the functionality you desire :p[22:02:49] <The123king> WINE port would be 1000x easier[22:03:06] <helf> I'd rather not have WINE :p[22:03:14] <helf> tho it would be nice for games[22:04:10] <helf> anyways, im pretty sure that bug is still there.[22:04:21] <helf> I never ran into it, but I haven't run Haiku for a long enough period of time[22:04:36] <dru345> is there any way for me to specify the colors for OpenGrok?[22:04:53] <dru345> maybe a .css ?[22:05:03] <saivert> having wine on your os practically says "nobody wants to make apps for our platform anyways..." neh.. j/k[22:07:55] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[22:14:39] *** tqh has joined #haiku[22:19:48] *** judgen has joined #haiku[22:20:01] *** The123king has quit IRC[22:20:07] *** impy is now known as sad|impy[22:24:09] *** tqh has quit IRC[22:26:49] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[22:30:42] <Anarchos> i was copying haiku files on the boot partition and it instantly crash when copying kernel...[22:31:07] *** Beyecixramd has joined #haiku[22:34:18] <Anarchos> is there a mean to mount an haiku image on b eos ?[22:34:43] *** SexPistols1 has quit IRC[22:37:39] *** korli has joined #haiku[22:37:39] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o korli[22:37:42] <Anarchos> or to find the tree map of the system files of haiku ?[22:38:25] *** [r4] has quit IRC[22:40:26] <CIA-49> zooey * r37421 /haiku/branches/developer/zooey/posix-locale/src/tests/system/libroot/posix/locale_test.cpp: * added tests for wctype functions[22:43:07] *** l_n has quit IRC[22:48:21] *** Barrett has quit IRC[22:50:31] *** Ziusudra has joined #haiku[22:51:15] *** l_n has joined #haiku[22:51:31] *** mmlr is now known as mmlr_away[22:52:49] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[22:57:23] *** mmlr_away has quit IRC[23:03:06] *** acous has quit IRC[23:07:15] *** acous has joined #haiku[23:08:32] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[23:17:58] *** Ziusudra has quit IRC[23:26:27] *** Barrett has quit IRC[23:27:29] *** Ziusudra has joined #haiku[23:30:56] *** korli has quit IRC[23:32:04] *** gluon_vision has joined #haiku[23:33:37] *** bubsy has quit IRC[23:35:36] *** bubsy has joined #haiku[23:42:14] *** gluon_vision has quit IRC[23:42:57] *** wry has quit IRC[23:43:27] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[23:44:34] *** yourpalal has quit IRC[23:44:35] *** Mixer has quit IRC[23:45:08] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[23:46:21] *** jmayfield has joined #haiku[23:46:47] *** Malmis has quit IRC[23:47:15] *** yourpalal has joined #haiku[23:47:15] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[23:50:11] <CIA-49> zooey * r37422 /haiku/branches/developer/zooey/posix-locale/ (4 files in 2 dirs): * converted remaining static data to members[23:51:18] *** yourpalal has quit IRC[23:51:18] *** Mixer has quit IRC[23:57:28] *** yourpalal has joined #haiku[23:58:02] *** Barrett has quit IRC