July 5, 2010 
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July 5, 2010 [00:00:51] <OmniMancer> what does it say about printf?[00:02:49] *** Mixer has quit IRC[00:03:48] *** dru345 is now known as away345[00:04:43] *** margiolas has joined #haiku[00:06:00] *** saivert has quit IRC[00:07:03] *** johnny_b has quit IRC[00:07:27] *** johnny_b has joined #haiku[00:09:03] *** acous has joined #haiku[00:11:27] <CIA-49> anevilyak * r528 /webkit/trunk/WebKit/Jamfile: Update jamfile to pick up localestub from the proper location now that Haiku's devkit includes it.[00:11:56] <Duggan> ok got it to work[00:12:56] *** saivert has joined #haiku[00:13:04] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[00:14:41] <Anarchos> did someone succeed to install texlive on haiku ?[00:17:55] <Duggan> hey Anarchos[00:17:58] <Duggan> no clue, sorry[00:18:13] <Duggan> this function really doesn't make much sense...[00:18:27] <Duggan> its only called once so I assume its supposed to be recursive but there are no recursive calls...[00:19:03] <Duggan> oh wait I see it now..[00:21:11] <CIA-49> anevilyak * r37396 /haiku/trunk/build/jam/OptionalPackages: Updated gcc 4.3.3 optional package provided by Jerome Duval to take into account recent ssize_t changes.[00:21:12] <Anarchos> Duggan i talk about the TeX/LaTeX typesetting system....[00:21:25] <Duggan> I don't know[00:21:31] <Duggan> haven't heard anything about it[00:21:42] <Duggan> I'm referring to my own problems[00:22:25] <Anarchos> oh ok :)[00:24:29] *** marc_smith has quit IRC[00:28:10] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[00:31:34] *** dakdagi has joined #haiku[00:36:11] *** Mixer has quit IRC[00:36:20] <Anarchos> i really miss BeTex on haiku :([00:36:41] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[00:36:45] <CIA-49> anevilyak * r37397 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/aboutsystem/AboutSystem.cpp: Moved Wim to the active maintainer list.[00:37:14] *** geist has joined #haiku[00:37:14] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o geist[00:38:02] <OmniMancer> Duggan: which function[00:40:30] *** mbrumbelow has quit IRC[00:41:54] <Duggan> ColumnListView.cpp - OutlineView::RemoveRow()[00:42:13] *** LoganA has joined #haiku[00:42:17] *** LoganA has quit IRC[00:42:21] <Duggan> or more specifically OutlineView::RemoveRow(BRow* Row)[00:42:28] <Duggan> er (BRow* row)[00:42:40] *** Mixer has quit IRC[00:46:11] <Duggan> its only called once when the list is updated, so I guess its expected to be recursive, and it only displays each item once so I guess it was meant to be recursive, but for some reason the height of the contents is being reset as though only one item is being removed (and thus adds n-1 more to the height) but the problem doesn't appear to be with fItemsHeight...[00:48:04] <Duggan> subTreeHeight only ever seems to equal 16...[00:48:13] <Duggan> so the iterator isn't iterating[00:50:52] <Duggan> ok I think I just fixed it...[00:52:12] <Duggan> ok no, didn't fix it but I fixed the appearance of it lol[00:52:19] <OmniMancer> :P[00:52:35] <Duggan> hmm...[00:53:20] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[00:55:48] *** LoganA has joined #haiku[00:58:02] *** Sir_Konrad has joined #haiku[01:01:44] *** Sir_Konrad has quit IRC[01:02:38] *** Sir_Konrad has joined #haiku[01:06:30] *** Beyecixramd has quit IRC[01:07:45] *** x-pilot has quit IRC[01:09:27] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[01:14:50] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[01:14:53] <Duggan> hmm[01:15:01] <Duggan> let me see if I got this right...[01:16:04] <Duggan> RemoveRow only deletes one row but its only called once, you'd think it'd be recursive for its children though... but its not[01:16:12] *** peerkoel has quit IRC[01:16:40] *** peerkoel has joined #haiku[01:17:27] *** adriano-src has quit IRC[01:19:26] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[01:20:50] *** Mixer has quit IRC[01:27:28] *** Nozy has quit IRC[01:30:40] *** LoganA has quit IRC[01:34:01] *** LoganA has joined #haiku[01:40:00] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[01:43:49] *** mbrumbelow has joined #haiku[01:44:13] *** Megaf has joined #haiku[01:46:55] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[01:52:03] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[01:52:03] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[01:52:46] <Duggan> hey Sikosis[01:53:42] <Sikosis> hey whats up?[01:53:54] <Duggan> not much, just trying to work on #3897[01:54:19] <Duggan> you?[01:56:25] <Sikosis> monday morning back at work ... just looking at doing a call out for haiku down under[01:56:46] <Duggan> cool[01:58:42] <Sikosis> hopefully i can get some user participation this time :) ... ive booked a small room at the uni with projector to run the event from[01:58:58] *** Mixer has quit IRC[01:59:23] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[02:01:38] <Duggan> awesome, best of luck with that[02:01:53] <Duggan> hmm.. "warning: int format, int32 arg (arg2)"...[02:02:27] <Duggan> typecast worked, awesome[02:04:05] <Duggan> I thought about starting a HUG when I was in college, but I just graduated and never quite got around to it[02:05:22] <cpr420> depending on what you're doing you may want to avoid that cast, the coding guidelines suggest using the specialized int types[02:05:32] *** dakdagi has quit IRC[02:05:36] <Duggan> trying to print the value in a printf statement[02:05:54] <cpr420> yeah, if it's temporary code then it doesn't matter[02:07:24] *** Mixer has quit IRC[02:07:52] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[02:08:04] *** cpr420 has left #haiku[02:13:52] *** Mixer has quit IRC[02:14:21] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[02:19:42] *** Megaf has quit IRC[02:29:10] *** acous has quit IRC[02:34:28] *** Mixer has quit IRC[02:34:52] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[02:35:17] *** mbrumbelow has quit IRC[02:35:20] <ulrask> PovAddict you had questions regarding morphOS ? I'm going to bed otherwise[02:36:43] *** mbrumbelow has joined #haiku[02:40:52] *** Mixer has quit IRC[02:41:06] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[02:48:16] * l_n can't even remember what morphOS is[02:49:14] <impy> its an amiga like os[02:51:49] <l_n> ah.. i was looking for icaros usb images..[02:51:54] *** megaf has joined #haiku[02:53:13] <impy> l_n: no image yet[02:53:35] <l_n> impy: surely someone could follow the tutorial and then dd the resulting install from their usb stick...[02:53:43] <impy> sure[02:53:43] <kurain> hi all[02:53:56] <l_n> i can't get icaros to boot on my desktop, or i'd do it myself.[02:54:18] <l_n> it says it can't find a boot disk in any drive with the dvd-rom in the drive.[02:54:19] <impy> i don't have a pendrive[02:54:26] <impy> ese i' make it for you[02:54:40] <l_n> make an image file[02:55:11] <l_n> i seem to remember someone noting how to get a usb image from a vm[02:55:22] <impy> hmm[02:55:25] <impy> i could do that[02:55:47] <l_n> the largest the image could be for *me* (not sure about others), is 7G[02:56:39] <ulrask> Err to get Icaros on a usb stick : http://vmwaros.blogspot.com/2010/06/create-your-own-icaros-stick.html[02:56:58] <impy> ulrask: that involves booting from dvd first though[02:57:01] <impy> or cd[02:57:07] *** Mixer has quit IRC[02:57:11] <l_n> and my desktop won't do that[02:57:25] <ulrask> I'm not a huge fan of Icaros though, the best way to get an Amiga system working is still AmigaOS 3.9 on an Amiga emulator with Picasso96 driver[02:57:47] <impy> anyway.. i'll make you an image tomorrow.[02:57:51] <ulrask> At least 'till ArOS has the 68K JIT emulator[02:58:01] <l_n> impy: ty[02:58:26] <l_n> how far off is that?[02:58:38] <impy> pretty damn far :)[02:58:54] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[02:58:58] <ulrask> How far off is what ? The JIT recompiler ?[03:00:09] <impy> l_n: http://emumiga.com/[03:02:14] <Xeon3D> impy: that page has reminded me exactly of one of the reasons why I don't like *migaOS'es[03:02:20] <Xeon3D> it's simply fugly.[03:02:43] <impy> Xeon3D: i agree with you there :)[03:02:49] <ulrask> Depends which[03:03:00] <ulrask> the original AmigaOS became quite ugly yes[03:03:13] <ulrask> and ArOS is very similar[03:03:30] <impy> Xeon3D: still... its fairly customizable .. to a point where you could make it look alright[03:03:39] *** Pinaraf has joined #haiku[03:03:56] <ulrask> But it only started becoming so ugly from 3.5, and new gen Amiga run quite nice looking amigaOS compatible[03:04:11] <ulrask> Both MorphOS and AmigaOS 4 looks more than acceptable[03:04:20] <Pinaraf> hi[03:04:36] <Pinaraf> is there an easy way to install Haiku using PXE ?[03:04:54] *** Mixer has quit IRC[03:05:17] <Pinaraf> the BIOS on my target computer doesn't boot over USB, and the CD drive is almost dead…[03:05:38] <ulrask> http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/images/os4_classic_4.jpg[03:05:39] <ulrask> http://wiki.morphos-user.com/images/thumb/2/2a/M2.png/690px-M2.png[03:05:59] <luroh> Pinaraf: try plop :) http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html[03:06:05] <impy> morphos just overuses the blue at times[03:06:14] <impy> like in the textboxes[03:06:39] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[03:06:51] *** megaf has quit IRC[03:07:20] <ulrask> It's all very customisable, I have MorphOS at work, it's set up in a very windows-like way (the company try to make them look like windows so that users don't feel to disorientated)[03:07:30] <Pinaraf> luroh: nice tool, didn't know it[03:07:40] <luroh> yeah, very handy[03:07:41] <mmadia> Pinaraf : i haven't tried PXE myself, but i'll past some email subjects & dates for you ...[03:07:45] <Pinaraf> but it means there is no PXE support in Haiku so far ?[03:07:52] <mmadia> [haiku] Setting up Haiku to book Haiku through PXE 2009-Feb[03:08:03] <Pinaraf> mmadia: thanks, I found old stuff in Google[03:08:15] <mmadia> [haiku] Setting up Windows to boot Haiku through PXE 2008-Oct[03:08:21] <luroh> i'm just not sure if pxe booting currently works[03:08:29] <luroh> http://www.haiku-os.org/guides/booting/over_local_network[03:08:31] <mmadia> the images do build.[03:08:46] <luroh> ah, that's something at least[03:11:33] *** megaf has joined #haiku[03:11:45] <Disreali> yay!! the new gcc4 optional package make it so newer revs can build on haiku :)[03:12:39] *** Mixer has quit IRC[03:13:08] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[03:17:30] *** LeandroLuiz has quit IRC[03:20:07] *** luroh has quit IRC[03:20:12] *** OlaHughson has quit IRC[03:20:44] <Xeon3D> er how does one make ssh work again?[03:21:27] <Duggan> does http://www.haiku-os.org/guides/dailytasks/netservices help?[03:22:31] <Xeon3D> it does. thank you vm[03:22:35] <Duggan> no problem :)[03:23:08] *** Mixer has quit IRC[03:25:06] *** PovAddict has left #haiku[03:25:10] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[03:33:40] *** Pinaraf has quit IRC[03:33:51] *** Pinaraf has joined #haiku[03:33:53] *** margiolas has quit IRC[03:36:02] *** pastorn has joined #haiku[03:36:06] <pastorn> helloez :)[03:37:40] <Xeon3D> hi[03:38:27] <l_n> hallo[03:38:43] <pastorn> if i wanna write apps for haiku/beos/vaddeva[03:38:50] <pastorn> what languages can i use[03:39:12] <pastorn> preferably i'd like to use haskell, but i'm guessing that ghc doesn't have a port yet...[03:39:17] <Duggan> I really can't figure out if OutlineView::RemoveRow() is supposed to be recursive or not...[03:39:45] <Duggan> pastorn most code for haiku (and BeOS) is written in C++[03:40:31] <Duggan> there were ports for other languages to BeOS which theoretically should still work on haiku, but theres no guarantee to that[03:40:33] <pastorn> ugh[03:40:44] <pastorn> fucking c++...[03:41:05] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmadia[03:41:08] <mmadia> language.[03:41:11] *** Mixer has quit IRC[03:41:12] *** ChanServ sets mode: -o mmadia[03:41:16] <pastorn> yay... let's use the language that gives the most easily mantainable code...[03:41:17] *** megaf has quit IRC[03:41:31] <pastorn> </trolling>[03:41:37] <mmadia> no, i meant foul language. ;)[03:41:42] <stpere> haha[03:41:44] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[03:41:44] <pastorn> hehe[03:41:46] <Duggan> hey mmadia[03:41:56] <mmadia> hi Duggan, *[03:42:29] <Duggan> speaking of which, hey mmadia do you know who or what mixer is?[03:43:30] <mmadia> no, but a few people have complained about his regular connection swapping.[03:43:46] <Duggan> well here's another one, for the record[03:45:34] <Duggan> and who in the world would I ask if OutlineView::RemoveRow is supposed to be recursive? lol[03:45:38] <stpere> night[03:45:43] <Duggan> g'night stpere[03:46:04] <pastorn> what's the gcc version that haiku uses right now?[03:46:11] <mmadia> maybe haiku-3rdparty-dev ?[03:46:47] <Duggan> its part of drivesetup, in ColumnListView.cpp[03:47:07] *** CyberKitsune has joined #haiku[03:47:07] <mmadia> it comes with both 2.95.3 and 4.4.4 pastorn.[03:47:13] <Duggan> I guess the mailing list would be a good place, I'm just afraid it'd take forever[03:47:18] *** Sir_Konrad has quit IRC[03:47:45] *** Mixer has quit IRC[03:47:58] *** {V} has quit IRC[03:48:14] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[03:48:19] <pastorn> sigh... no functional languages in gcc :([03:55:07] *** cpr420 has joined #haiku[03:55:51] <Duggan> wb cpr420[03:59:01] *** Duggan has quit IRC[03:59:05] *** Duggan has joined #haiku[03:59:12] <cpr420> wb Duggan[03:59:22] <Duggan> thanks cpr420[03:59:44] <Duggan> something seems screwed up[04:00:15] *** Mixer has quit IRC[04:00:47] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[04:03:49] *** LoganA has quit IRC[04:04:32] *** LoganA has joined #haiku[04:08:48] *** Mixer has quit IRC[04:09:19] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[04:12:27] *** ulrask has quit IRC[04:19:44] <ianj> testing webpositive for the first time here[04:20:04] <ianj> looks a lot more promising than i was led to believe, although it has a penchant for stalling in the middle of retrieving pages from websites[04:23:03] *** CyberKitsune has quit IRC[04:29:10] <ianj> but wow, when it works... it's slick.[04:30:20] *** mbrumbelow has quit IRC[04:31:14] <Duggan> yep[04:31:16] <Duggan> I like it[04:33:42] *** Nozy has joined #haiku[04:33:43] *** Mixer has quit IRC[04:34:11] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[04:36:02] <ianj> i'[04:36:07] *** michaelvo has joined #haiku[04:36:16] <ianj> and it seems like the random stalling has stopped happening so much. we'll see if that continues[04:36:38] <ianj> err... it happened again, and it's definitely not a webpositive issue. it's the OS[04:37:07] <ianj> at least that means the browser is okay[04:37:17] <mmadia> are you on a nightly or r1a2?[04:37:24] <ianj> alpha 2[04:38:02] <mmadia> nm then.[04:38:54] <Duggan> r1a2 was notably less stable than most other builds it would seem[04:39:54] <michaelvo> @Duggan agree[04:40:10] <ianj> interesting[04:40:10] <michaelvo> running the most recent rev here: 37397[04:40:34] <ianj> i hadn't used alpha 2 yet, so i figured i'd throw it on something because i blew up the opensolaris install it had[04:40:39] <Duggan> on 37283 here[04:40:41] <Duggan> OS Uptime [Haiku]: 1 day 22 hrs 44 mins 52.732 secs[04:41:02] <michaelvo> I built this one to test gcc 4.4.4[04:41:18] <michaelvo> :([04:42:13] *** Mixer has quit IRC[04:42:41] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[04:44:10] <kurain> I have just builded haiku -gcc2, but I don't know where it put the image[04:48:41] *** Mixer has quit IRC[04:49:11] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[04:50:55] *** redblue has joined #haiku[04:50:57] *** atmartens has joined #haiku[04:57:00] *** Pinaraf has quit IRC[04:58:55] * cpr420 is always tempted to make fun of people with famous sounding names :P[04:59:59] <cpr420> that was aimed at Duggan ^[05:03:18] *** cpr420 has quit IRC[05:05:21] *** kurain has quit IRC[05:05:22] *** Mixer has quit IRC[05:05:42] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[05:07:44] <ianj> i might try a nightly tonight[05:12:36] *** cpr420 has 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the future looks so bright[05:55:27] *** Mixer has quit IRC[05:55:42] <Duggan> wb dru345[05:55:55] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[05:56:03] <Duggan> ianj|C for Haiku, it is![05:56:59] *** matthias9 has quit IRC[05:58:03] *** matthias9 has joined #haiku[05:59:57] <ianj|C> yeah Duggan, i'm encouraged[05:59:57] <Duggan> wb matthias9[06:00:07] <ianj|C> i mean, right now my primary computer is a maxed-out power mac G4[06:00:36] <ianj|C> but i'm not comfortable enough with apple's current direction to buy another mac, so for a while now, my endgame has been some x86 box running something that is not windows and not linux[06:01:17] <Duggan> some would argue for you to try something like BSD...[06:01:33] <ianj|C> i'm about to buy my boss's sun ultra 24 and roll with opensolaris on that, just running it side-by-side with the G4 and letting it ease into the role of "primary computer" as i get accustomed to it[06:01:34] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[06:01:45] <ianj|C> eh, i have mixed feelings about *BSD, although i haven't used it a whole lot[06:02:02] <Duggan> I think I'll try BSD next, not sure which though[06:02:02] <ianj|C> as far as UNIX and UNIX-likes go, i much prefer solaris to it[06:02:19] <Duggan> damn, I still havent called up my friend...[06:02:25] <ianj|C> but i use solaris at work, so i have a little more familiarity to help me make the transition[06:02:41] <Duggan> got a guy supposed to be giving me his SGI Onyx 3000[06:02:44] <ianj|C> nice[06:02:49] <ianj|C> i'm kind of big into SGI stuff.[06:03:29] <Duggan> I'm very interested in getting my hands on that beast[06:03:36] <ianj|C> i've honestly been a bit concerned that buying this hotshot quad 3GHz sun workstation will make me focus less on my SGIs[06:03:41] <ianj|C> but i think it will be okay[06:03:57] <Duggan> hehe[06:04:10] <ianj|C> my server environment is still 100% IRIX, and you can pry my 600MHz fuel from my cold head hands[06:04:20] <Duggan> lol[06:04:28] <Duggan> yeah I'm interested in taking a look at IRIX[06:05:33] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[06:05:53] <Duggan> I'll have to try to port Haiku to the MIPS architecture lol[06:06:06] <ianj|C> probably what i love most about IRIX is its software packaging system[06:06:23] <Duggan> haha running Haiku on a 6 processor rack-mount super computer... sweet[06:06:30] <ianj|C> most of my experience compiling software is on SGIs... the versions of open-source stuff i use on it was older than i wanted[06:06:41] <ianj|C> and making packages for IRIX is so elegant and easy[06:07:01] <Duggan> yeah unfortunately I think IRIX is only up to 5.6 on the machine I'm supposed to get... they stopped supporting the hardware[06:07:14] <ianj|C> onyx 3000?[06:07:42] <ianj|C> onyx 3000 is pretty close to as good as it gets[06:07:48] <ianj|C> you can absolutely run 6.5.30 on that[06:08:12] *** Mixer has quit IRC[06:08:40] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[06:08:46] <Duggan> hmm once I get it I'll have to look into it[06:09:00] <Duggan> and I'd have to figure out a way to network it to another box so I can have sound lol[06:09:31] <Duggan> btw, its Onyx, not Onyx2[06:09:57] <Duggan> it does have the InfiniteReality graphics subsystem though (not InfiniteReality2)[06:11:09] <Duggan> wait a second[06:11:31] <ianj|C> you did say Onyx 3000, right?[06:11:35] <ianj|C> that's one of the later ones[06:11:40] <Duggan> sorry my bad, SGI Onyx 10000[06:11:44] <ianj|C> ahh OK[06:11:48] <Duggan> don't know why I was thinking 3000[06:11:52] <ianj|C> yeah, i'm not as familiar with the earlier stuff[06:12:02] <ianj|C> most of my SGI gear is from this decade[06:12:08] <Duggan> had to look it up because something didn't seem right lol[06:12:16] <ianj|C> you can certainly do a lot with it, though, just due to the sheer number of CPUs it has[06:12:22] <Duggan> yep[06:12:27] <ianj|C> if it's R10000-based, you should even be able to run 6.5.30[06:12:42] <ianj|C> 6.5.22 is the minimum you need to run the community ports of open-source stuff[06:12:51] <Duggan> I think theres an issue with a specific piece of hardware that limites it to 5.2ish[06:12:55] <ianj|C> oof[06:12:57] <Duggan> or 6.2ish[06:12:59] <Duggan> or something like that[06:13:01] <ianj|C> in any case, you'll have fun with it[06:13:06] <Duggan> I'm sure I will[06:13:12] <ianj|C> and if you decide you like the platform, you can pick up an octane or something for a hundred bucks[06:13:12] <Duggan> and I hear it makes a great space heater in the winter time[06:13:23] <ianj|C> and run the latest and greatest the community has to offer[06:13:43] <Duggan> if I can get it from the guy, I'm sure i'll have a blast with it... I'm quite looking forward to it[06:13:57] <ianj|C> i know a couple people who use octanes as their main machine. i can't quite do that, but i brought one of mine to work and use it as my main box there[06:14:08] <Duggan> he's got it in storage in georgia (I'm in MS) and he has to make it over there to pick it up.... he said it was free to a good home so I offered to take it off his hands for him hehe[06:14:17] <ianj|C> nice[06:14:38] <Duggan> so I'm really looking forward to it if I can just get it from him[06:14:40] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[06:14:40] *** Mixer has quit IRC[06:14:50] <Duggan> unfortunately his truck broke down a couple months ago and I haven't talked to him to see if he's got it fixed[06:14:55] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[06:15:29] <Duggan> brb[06:16:34] <ianj|C> alright[06:20:56] *** Mixer has quit IRC[06:21:12] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[06:21:36] <Duggan> back[06:22:26] <ianj|C> welcome back[06:22:37] <ianj|C> so yeah[06:22:43] <ianj|C> i'm trying to be realistic[06:23:10] <Duggan> thanks[06:23:16] <ianj|C> my SGI stuff is not going to fit the bill for all of my desktop use, and not even my G4 will after a couple more years. so i'm picking up this sun box and grooming it to be the successor[06:23:31] <Duggan> good luck with that[06:23:34] <Duggan> I'm counting on haiku[06:23:36] <Duggan> ever used BeOS?[06:24:14] <ianj|C> think of my power mac G4 as kim jong-il and the ultra 24 as kim jong-un[06:24:24] <ianj|C> have i used BeOS? i loved it[06:24:29] <ianj|C> that's why i'm so interested in haiku[06:24:46] <ianj|C> but haiku is not going to be ready to run my main desktop for a good while[06:25:08] <Duggan> mine either, I play too many games lol[06:25:11] <ianj|C> haha[06:25:21] <ianj|C> i'm not even a gamer, and i'm glad because it means i can just ignore windows completely[06:25:45] <ianj|C> but haiku still isn't going to be ready for me to use primarily for a while[06:25:48] <Duggan> yes but theres not a whole helluva lot more to do with a computer at home besides that (and code)[06:25:55] <ianj|C> haha[06:26:30] <ianj|C> i use my computer mostly for talking to people, browsing the web for information, and dealing with media stuff (downloading/encoding/playing/etc.)[06:26:48] <ianj|C> probably part of the reason i've been able to survive with a G4 as the flagship for the past seven years[06:27:12] *** Mixer has quit IRC[06:27:18] <ianj|C> oh, and compiling stuff, but most of that happens on my SGIs[06:27:59] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[06:28:18] <Duggan> yeah I do a little of that too, but depending on what else is going on at the time depends on what I'm doing... you know, more busy = less games...[06:28:29] <Duggan> but right now I'm out of school and writing code so I'm pretty safe[06:28:40] <Duggan> working on a couple issues in haiku myself now[06:28:45] <Duggan> trying to do my part hehe[06:29:06] <ianj|C> ah[06:29:07] <ianj|C> yeah[06:29:35] <ianj|C> right now i'm looking towards opensolaris for my desktop needs in the coming few years, but it's going to gradually phase in alongside the power mac[06:29:52] <ianj|C> i can't do an abrupt switch and i'm too attached to this G4 to let it slip into the shadows just yet[06:29:53] <Duggan> ah[06:30:05] <ianj|C> using the same computer for seven years does that to you[06:30:35] <Duggan> yep I hear you[06:30:41] <Duggan> phasing Haiku in more and more though[06:30:44] <Duggan> OS Uptime [Haiku]: 2 days 34 mins 56.276 secs[06:30:45] <ianj|C> but i've got a few boxes i can use as haiku test platforms, and i intend to keep a close watch on how it's developing because i'd like to be able to use it primarily one day[06:34:23] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[06:35:35] <ianj|C> my main deal is that i don't feel comfortable continuing to tie my future to apple, and i have a number of reasons for not wanting to get behind linux, so my areas of focus for x86 hardware are rather obscure[06:36:03] <dru345> ib[06:36:08] *** Mixer has quit IRC[06:36:12] <dru345> OmniMancer \o[06:41:20] <Duggan> ianj|C I understand.... I honestly see a future for Haiku[06:41:33] <ianj|C> oh, i do too[06:41:40] <ianj|C> it's just going to take a while to come to fruition[06:41:59] <Duggan> its good for me so far, barring the few issues I have with it[06:42:08] <Duggan> theres not much reason for me not to use it primarily and some people do[06:42:24] <ianj|C> i'm glad some people can already[06:46:05] *** atmartens has quit IRC[06:46:58] *** atmartens has joined #haiku[06:47:23] * michaelvo angry with old libglpng[06:47:44] * michaelvo hits the lib that refuses load png files[06:49:36] <elliott1> i wonder why the new top gear torrent hates me so much...[06:49:58] <ianj|C> most of what i see so far that keeps me from using it primarily is that webpositive is still being fleshed out, hardware support isn't all done yet, things like that[06:50:01] <elliott1> the last 1mb is coming in at 0.1-1kb/x[06:50:08] <elliott1> kb/s*[06:50:37] <Duggan> web+ still has its share of issues, but BonEcho works pretty good too[06:50:47] <ianj|C> yeah, i just really hate mozilla software[06:50:59] <Duggan> hardware support isn't "done" in linux either, or pretty much anything else for that matter[06:51:07] <Duggan> I do too lol[06:51:16] <ianj|C> which is actually an issue i'm running into in opensolaris as well because epiphany isn't part of the release yet[06:51:40] <ianj|C> well, yeah, i mean that there don't seem to be drivers for more recent video cards etc.[06:52:15] <Duggan> no and I think theres issues with hardware acceleration(sp?) too...[06:52:21] <ianj|C> probably[06:52:45] <ianj|C> i mean, if you look at linux and solaris, the only worthwhile drivers for things like nvidia cards are the binary-only ones provided by the manufacturer[06:52:57] <ianj|C> so i'm not surprised if haiku is having trouble getting there all on its own[06:55:27] <Duggan> if we could convince them to write drivers for hardware for Haiku, that'd be a miracle[06:56:13] <ianj|C> yeah, good luck with that, though[06:57:33] * michaelvo gets libglpng working and loading pngs \o/ miracle[06:57:59] <ianj|C> about to install the latest haiku nightly on my thinkpad T23[06:58:18] <ianj|C> it seems atheros wireless support is working now?[06:58:39] <ianj|C> it looks like alpha 2 recognized it, but i didn't test it out[07:00:33] <Duggan> not sure what wireless is or is not supported[07:00:40] <Duggan> I don't think I'll have to worry about it for a while lol[07:00:49] <ianj|C> last i read, atheros support was in the works, but iffy[07:00:58] <ianj|C> but i installed alpha 2 today and it recognizes it[07:04:03] *** cpr420 has quit IRC[07:05:44] <Duggan> cool, hope it works well for you[07:06:20] <Duggan> I have 16 Pe windows open... this bug sucks[07:09:31] *** Disreali has quit IRC[07:19:17] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[07:19:58] <dru345> :D[07:20:30] <dru345> still the column bug, Duggan?[07:26:28] <Duggan> no[07:26:36] <Duggan> been working on #3897[07:33:25] <dru345> ah[07:39:17] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[07:41:07] <Duggan> waiting for some word back on how something's supposed to work, can't do much else til I hear back about that[07:45:17] *** Mixer has quit IRC[07:45:50] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[07:49:34] <dru345> Duggan - what is it that you need to know?[07:50:06] <Ziusudra> I don't see why you want to remove a parent without removing the children[07:50:45] <Duggan> hey sorry, was downloading games from haikuware hehe[07:50:58] <Ziusudra> dru345: http://www.freelists.org/post/haiku-development/looking-at-3897[07:51:16] <Duggan> yep thats it[07:51:47] <Duggan> Ziusudra I don't know either but it isn't explicitly specified and I cant see anywhere where there was any attempt to do so recursively[07:52:01] <Duggan> yet it acts as though its expected to do so recursively[07:52:59] <Ziusudra> oops, dropped a word, should be "why you would want to"[07:54:28] <dru345> well you might if it were used to create an "outline view" where the "parent" really isn't a container of the children.[07:54:44] <Duggan> dru345 it is an outline view hehe[07:54:59] <dru345> I mean as in a document outline :P[07:55:19] <dru345> rather than a tree hierarchy[07:55:31] <Duggan> well either its going to delete recursively or delete itself then move its children up to its level to replace it[07:55:34] <Ziusudra> that's a good point, I was focused on DriveSetup[07:55:53] *** Mixer has quit IRC[07:55:55] <dru345> Duggan I agree that is the best behavior[07:56:15] <Duggan> the code is in ColumnListView which is part of the interface kit[07:56:21] <Duggan> so its not just drivesetup that would be affected[07:56:31] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[07:56:31] <dru345> i might use such a view to display style properties in a word processor.[07:57:26] <dru345> does BeBook offer any insight Duggan?[07:57:27] <Duggan> hmm I wonder what kind of control tracker uses...[07:57:40] <Duggan> no, ColumnListView is undocumented[07:57:46] <dru345> charming :/[07:57:52] <Duggan> or I should say BColumnListview[07:58:02] <Duggan> BColumnListView[07:58:03] <Duggan> there[07:58:22] <Duggan> and frankly whats there isn't really finished either[07:58:35] <Duggan> re:#3036[07:59:06] <Duggan> so yes, both issues originate in ColumnListView.cpp[07:59:11] <dru345> tracker uses BColumn[07:59:32] <Duggan> just BColumn? or does it us BColumns in BColumnListView?[07:59:49] *** VinDuv has joined #haiku[08:00:29] <Duggan> whoah sweet[08:00:43] <Duggan> open up tracker, scroll to the right and take a look at the modified column[08:00:49] <Duggan> resize the modified column[08:00:52] <Duggan> thats pretty awesome hehe[08:01:11] <dru345> there's a class BColumn in ViewState.h of /src/kits/tracker[08:02:11] <Duggan> ColumnListView.h - line 163[08:02:17] <Duggan> class BColumn {[08:02:31] *** Mixer has quit IRC[08:02:33] <dru345> yeah. not the same though :/[08:02:49] <Duggan> not good to go about naming classes the same thing all willy-nilly like that...[08:02:59] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[08:03:08] <dru345> http://haiku.it.su.se:8180/source/xref/src/kits/tracker/ViewState.h#47[08:03:31] <dru345> it would be better if Tracker used the generalized class :)[08:04:14] <Duggan> it would be better if the generalized class worked :P[08:07:20] *** xray7224 has joined #haiku[08:07:26] <dru345> maybe you can get insight from the tracker code[08:07:46] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[08:08:58] *** Mixer has quit IRC[08:10:09] <Duggan> well again, I don't want to break what already "works" so I need to wait on some info as to the expected behavior[08:10:40] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[08:14:26] *** elliott1 has quit IRC[08:14:55] <dru345> Duggan where's the fun in that? :P[08:15:11] <Duggan> hehe[08:15:16] <Duggan> I want to help Haiku, not hurt it :P[08:15:51] <Ziusudra> Duggan, when you were looking into the width issue, were you able to verify that it was getting the width from the children? Or at least trying to?[08:16:09] <Duggan> no, the width is determined by the column headers[08:16:21] <dru345> well it's not like any patch you make will go into trunk without testing. i'll help you test your code :P[08:16:30] <Duggan> if you look at the patch, you'll notice it was accounting for a right margin, which according to korli, isn't used anywhere else[08:18:02] <Duggan> so removing the reference to the right margin makes everything line up quite nicely and eliminates that extra width tacked onto the end which caused #3036[08:18:32] <Duggan> dru345 download and apply the patch I submitted to #3036 and try it out :P[08:19:03] * Ziusudra is maybe mis-understanding the bug[08:19:10] <Duggan> explain?[08:19:22] <Duggan> open up drivesetup real quick[08:19:39] <Duggan> I'll explain it to you from here[08:20:17] <Duggan> haha thats funny, I just assumed you were running haiku... my bad...[08:20:29] <Ziusudra> you're talking about how the bottom scroll bar seems to think there is more than what really is?[08:20:33] <Duggan> yes[08:20:42] *** Mixer has quit IRC[08:20:52] <Duggan> resize the last column and see how the bottom scrollbar reacts[08:21:05] <Duggan> its as though theres some extra space at the end of the columns[08:21:13] <Ziusudra> ah, so there is actually another bug then[08:21:16] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[08:21:17] <Duggan> thats because its told that there is, even though there shouldn't be[08:21:22] <Duggan> another bug?[08:21:27] <Duggan> whats the other one?[08:21:58] <Duggan> yes, I'm working on two different bugs, #3036 which is patched and #3897 which is not[08:22:17] <Duggan> #3036 is the horizontal scroll bar, #3897 is an issue with the vertical scroll bar[08:22:33] <Ziusudra> The Device column doesn't resize properly, it seems to be getting the width of the parent entry but not the children[08:22:46] <Ziusudra> see http://dev.haiku-os.org/attachment/ticket/3036/DriveSetup.png[08:23:12] <Ziusudra> and diver's note of "note truncated ata/master"[08:23:49] <Ziusudra> or it's getting a width that doesn't account for the indentation[08:23:50] <Duggan> that has to do with the column, the bug as I understand it is with regards to the scroll bar[08:23:58] <Duggan> possibly that[08:24:14] *** CK|iPod has joined #haiku[08:24:37] <Duggan> dumb question.... korli == stippi?[08:24:53] <Ziusudra> no, I don't think so[08:25:10] <Duggan> I didn't think so either but once korli looked at it, stippi set the patch flag[08:25:40] <Duggan> so I *assume* its semi-fixed[08:25:54] <Duggan> but now that you bring up the issue of getting the columnwidth...[08:25:55] <dru345> building ur patched code now Duggan[08:26:15] <Duggan> dru345 make sure you run the original build first and see what I'm talking about[08:26:22] <Duggan> then you can compare the patched version with that[08:27:09] <Duggan> Ziusudra thanks for pointing that out, I'll look into it[08:27:16] *** Mixer has quit IRC[08:27:46] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[08:28:12] <ianj|C> augh[08:28:30] <ianj|C> having the same problems with network stalling on the latest nightly that alpha 2 has[08:31:41] <Ziusudra> Duggan, BTW, comment 8 on #3036 describes the two bugs[08:32:32] <Ziusudra> also, now your patch make sense to me :)[08:33:46] *** Mixer has quit IRC[08:34:17] *** CK|iPod has quit IRC[08:34:23] *** CK|iPod has joined #haiku[08:34:59] <Duggan> yes, but I thought he was talking about something entirely off-topic[08:35:25] <Duggan> but that issue is also not described by this ticket so technically it *is* off topic[08:35:49] <Duggan> I understand it now, and am forging a reply to that effect[08:37:24] <dru345> meow[08:38:06] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[08:38:24] <Duggan> alrighty, done[08:38:46] <Duggan> brb[08:42:46] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[08:47:15] <Duggan> back[08:47:17] <Duggan> wb OmniMancer[08:47:35] <Duggan> dru345 any luck?[08:48:12] <dru345> not at present. i'm trying to figure out how little i can 'build' to test your patch[08:48:26] <dru345> got distracted playing in tracker code too[08:50:27] <Duggan> hehe[08:50:40] <Duggan> go into src/apps/drivesetup and type jam[08:51:31] <dru345> yeah i figured i'd try that[08:51:57] <Duggan> after that go into your generated directory...[08:52:09] <Duggan> objects/haiku/x86/release/apps/drivesetup/[08:52:13] <Duggan> and run DriveSetup[08:52:27] <Duggan> if it doesn't work let me know because I have some special hoops I have to jump through to make it work on mine[08:52:39] <Ziusudra> ooh, Trac's ticket query now has and/or searches[08:52:49] <Duggan> cool[08:52:54] <Duggan> they got some nice addons for trac[08:52:55] <dru345> ...patience...[08:52:58] <dru345> ...patience...[08:53:03] <dru345> ...patience... (no!)[08:53:06] <Duggan> lol[08:53:20] <dru345> 8251 targets for DriveSetup Duggan. it'll be awhile :P[08:53:30] <Duggan> its funny how it tells you ...patience... AFTER you have to wait[08:53:36] <dru345> indeed[08:53:52] <Duggan> yeah its alot to build on the first try[08:53:57] <Duggan> its alot better after that[08:54:21] <Duggan> if you'd done that BEFORE you started digging into tracker code.......[08:54:23] <dru345> it's never v fast in a VM[08:54:34] <Duggan> vm's for wusses[08:54:35] <Duggan> :P[08:55:08] <dru345> so far as I'm aware haiku still doesn't install on an intel Mac :D[08:55:35] <Duggan> ?... it should install on an intel platform regardless of what OS is currently installed on it...[08:55:55] <Duggan> I would think anyway...[08:56:03] <dru345> in theory :)[08:56:07] <dru345> practice... not so much[08:56:11] *** xray7224 has quit IRC[08:56:22] <dru345> intel macs don't use BIOS, they use EFI :P[08:57:35] <michaelvo> why Terminal app is a mess lately?[08:57:45] <dru345> you mean the nasty colors?[08:58:03] <michaelvo> no... "?" caracters[08:58:13] <michaelvo> typing in the same line[08:58:19] <dru345> oh. dunno. perhaps related to localizing code?[08:58:26] <michaelvo> when reaches the end of column[08:58:28] <dru345> i've not had those issues[08:58:40] <dru345> I do sometimes see green text on a green background = v bad when I do an LS[08:58:40] <michaelvo> I have.. since alpha2[08:59:17] <michaelvo> my bash history is full of ? symbols[08:59:57] <dru345> do you have any extra fonts installed?[08:59:59] <Duggan> what language are you set up to use?[09:00:04] <Duggan> because I don't see anything like that[09:00:35] <michaelvo> no.. never I installed another font[09:00:47] <michaelvo> I only set font size to 14px[09:00:52] <Ziusudra> ooh, and tickets automatically preview now too[09:00:58] <michaelvo> :D[09:01:03] <Duggan> hehe[09:01:09] <Duggan> michaelvo what language though?[09:02:06] <michaelvo> no one.. default english.. I don't touch in localization preflet[09:02:16] <Duggan> ok, hmm[09:02:36] <Duggan> I really don't know because I don't have that problem... maybe it was something that was fixed since R1A2[09:02:36] <michaelvo> Only a sec[09:02:43] <michaelvo> I will post screenshots[09:02:57] <michaelvo> this is the first one[09:02:58] <michaelvo> http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/7043/screenshot1zd.png[09:03:04] <Duggan> R1A2 was a pretty bad build though[09:03:26] <michaelvo> this is the last build[09:03:27] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[09:03:33] <michaelvo> r37397[09:03:39] <Duggan> the question marks are non-displayable characters, i know that.... I don't know what the yellow is[09:04:02] <michaelvo> non-displayable characters too[09:04:10] <michaelvo> for example.. I type in terminal[09:04:22] <michaelvo> ./configure --prefix=/boot/common[09:04:29] <michaelvo> and then close terminal[09:04:42] <michaelvo> when I open again.. and type up arrow[09:04:47] <michaelvo> the caracter is missin[09:04:48] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[09:04:57] <Duggan> hmm let me see something....[09:05:02] <michaelvo> the second[09:05:02] <michaelvo> http://img803.imageshack.us/img803/6776/screenshot2.png[09:05:50] <Duggan> ok, one I don't know why it would save the buffer like that, I'd think every time you open a new terminal window you'd get a clean buffer[09:06:05] <Duggan> and two, I suppose if that is intentional, that theres some sort of memory corruption going on[09:06:30] <Duggan> most likely though its not intentional and its just reading bad memory that was partially overwritten.....? possibly?[09:07:11] <michaelvo> hum.. I don't know low level stuff like this[09:07:54] <Duggan> you'd have to ask one of the devs when they come in, or maybe I will if you would like[09:08:16] <Duggan> unless mmadia is around...[09:09:35] <Duggan> dru345 how goes it?[09:09:52] <dru345> it's finally finished building :P[09:10:12] <Duggan> hehe[09:10:18] <Duggan> can you run it?[09:11:03] <dru345> i get a missing symbol error[09:11:09] <Duggan> yep thought so[09:11:19] <dru345> guess it's time to update my nightly? :P[09:11:19] <Duggan> run this:[09:11:32] <Duggan> no[09:11:36] <dru345> ok[09:11:37] <Duggan> whats your generated directory?[09:12:06] <dru345> a jamfile :P[09:12:13] <dru345> and build & objects folders[09:12:32] <Duggan> no, whats your generated directory?[09:12:39] <Duggan> generated or generated.x86gcc2 or...[09:12:47] <dru345> oh. just generated[09:12:53] <Duggan> ok, then run this:[09:12:57] <dru345> i built with gcc2[09:13:39] <Duggan> LIBRARY_PATH="generated/objects/haiku/x86/release/kits/locale:$LIBRARY_PATH" generated/objects/haiku/x86/release/apps/drivesetup/DriveSetup[09:13:46] <Duggan> btw, run that from your haiku directory[09:14:09] <Duggan> blah/blah/repo/haiku/ or wherever it is[09:14:55] <dru345> ok worked[09:15:13] <Duggan> yep, same problem I had.... to rerun it just push the up arrow :P[09:15:27] <Duggan> now, see the difference from the original version?[09:15:50] <dru345> i do[09:15:57] <Duggan> better? worse?[09:16:07] <dru345> horiz scrollbar looks correctly deactive[09:16:21] <Duggan> next patch for that file I'll include a fudge factor to make it easier to grab[09:16:26] <dru345> well[09:16:28] <dru345> actually[09:16:32] <Duggan> the right side of the rightmost column[09:16:37] <dru345> it does look correct when i start up the app[09:17:11] <Duggan> but? lol[09:17:29] <dru345> but as soon as I resize the window, the scrollbar things there's a column that isn't there and starts to show the thumb/scroller/elevator (or w/e haiku calls it)[09:18:08] <Duggan> btw, after you resize it and all and want to set it back to default settings, close it, then go to ~/config/settings/ and delete DriveSetup[09:18:31] <Duggan> thats so you can resize that last column[09:18:47] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[09:18:49] <Duggan> if you resize the window to larger, the columns won't take up the whole width of t he widnow[09:18:56] <Duggan> the window[09:19:08] <Duggan> that bar is just the right side of the rightmost column, and you can resize it[09:19:40] <dru345> ok. it's sorted out now that i del'd the old settings[09:19:47] <Duggan> if however you resize the columns so that they're wider than the window, then scroll right, that rightmost handle is hard to grab because theres no room for it and the vertical scroll bar[09:20:33] <Duggan> like I said, I'm adding something in the next patch to account for that (I'm adding 4 back to the total width to offset that handle from the vertical scrollbar just enough to grab)[09:21:22] <dru345> i'm not seeing that problem[09:21:34] <Duggan> take the right side of the rightmost column[09:21:48] <Duggan> well, take the window and resize it thinner, widthwise[09:22:03] <Duggan> then take the right side of the rightmost column and drag it to the right, making the columns wider than the window[09:22:07] <Duggan> then scroll right[09:22:24] <Duggan> how easy is it to grab the right side of the rightmost column after that?[09:22:52] <Duggan> not very, because its located right on top of the vertical scrollbar... not much room to grab that tab to resize it smaller (or larger)[09:22:59] <dru345> not an issue at all here[09:23:15] <Duggan> you CAN do it, its just not easy to[09:23:34] <Duggan> not as easy as it should be[09:23:49] <dru345> well. it's a none issue at all for me.[09:23:59] <Duggan> hmm weird...[09:24:09] <Duggan> maybe you've got something else set different that affects it all...[09:24:47] *** Mixer has quit IRC[09:24:49] *** CK|iPod has quit IRC[09:24:49] <dru345> I can tell you the mouse acts differently in the VM.[09:24:54] <Duggan> somebody ban mixer :'([09:24:56] <dru345> I might have finer control[09:25:05] <dru345> lol why Duggan?[09:25:11] <Duggan> because its pissing me off[09:25:19] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[09:25:21] <dru345> changing servers?[09:25:26] <Duggan> yeah[09:25:31] <dru345> ah.[09:25:40] <Duggan> thats a possibility with the finer control.... do you actually see the bar there at all, or is it hidden?[09:26:16] <dru345> no it's hidden[09:26:22] <Duggan> ok thought so[09:26:42] <Duggan> with the change I'm going to make, it won't be hidden, it'll just ride right next to the vertical scroll bar[09:26:51] <dru345> ok. fair enough[09:26:54] <dru345> :D[09:26:56] <Duggan> hehe[09:27:01] <Duggan> 4 pixels is enough for that[09:27:04] <Duggan> and doesn't break the fix[09:27:25] * dru345 goes back to tracker code[09:27:31] <Duggan> bah...[09:27:59] * Duggan goes back to fixing BColumnListView[09:28:05] <dru345> :D[09:28:20] <Duggan> hehe, theres 3 issues, I've fixed one of them...[09:28:24] <Duggan> 2 more to go[09:28:43] <Duggan> actually 4 issues, I made one when I fixed the other (or discovered it anyway)[09:28:48] <Duggan> but I fixed one lol[09:28:51] <Ziusudra> dru345, while you're in there, Tracker has the same issue ;P[09:29:06] <Duggan> it does? it uses a different control...[09:29:35] <Duggan> you mean it rides the vert scrollbar?[09:29:44] <Ziusudra> http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/3036#comment:21[09:30:23] *** CK|iPod has joined #haiku[09:30:46] <dru345> i'll leave that one to Duggan to fix ;)[09:31:05] <Ziusudra> yeah, there it looks to me as if the divider is 5 pixels underneath the scrollbar[09:31:18] *** Mixer has quit IRC[09:31:33] <Duggan> yep yep[09:31:47] <Duggan> lol you're the tracker wiz, dru345[09:32:01] <Ziusudra> but 4 pixels would make it easier to grab without actually showing the divider, which looks funny[09:32:07] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[09:32:24] <Duggan> 4 pixels is enough to display the divider, which also lets people know its there[09:32:33] <Duggan> which I think is a good thing[09:32:43] * dru345 might say 'whiz on tracker' :P[09:32:57] <Duggan> well, 4 pixels is enough for ColumnListView anyway[09:33:01] <Duggan> hehe[09:33:11] <Ziusudra> :)[09:33:22] <dru345> Duggan as long as it doesn't look like a separator bar like in Pe...[09:34:06] <Ziusudra> yay, finally got around to adding color to my bash prompt, now I can see it easier in scrollback[09:34:23] <Duggan> dumb question, what do you mean "zoomable"?[09:34:47] <Duggan> dru345 Pe sucks... I mean its good but it sucks... lol[09:34:58] <dru345> yeah :/[09:34:59] <Ziusudra> the right button on window tabs is called the zoom button[09:35:13] <Duggan> ooohhhhh[09:35:14] <Duggan> gotcha[09:35:30] <Duggan> autoresize to preferred dimensions[09:35:46] <Ziusudra> right[09:35:57] <Duggan> its possible, I'll have to work at it though, probably after I fix these other issues[09:36:11] <Duggan> hell it might be easier just to rewrite the ColumnListView lol[09:36:24] <Duggan> because thats where all the issues are[09:36:27] <Ziusudra> yes, bug before enhancements is good[09:37:43] <dru345> 7512 targets for tracker. :/[09:37:46] <Duggan> create a ticket, call it "Make DriveSetup Zoomable" maybe add some other programs too... set it as an enhancement, then leave a message in 3036 telling me what the ticket# is so I can find it later hehe[09:37:56] <dru345> Duggan i'm still exploring the hash thing[09:38:01] <Duggan> lol fewer targets for tracker than for drivesetup? hehe[09:38:07] <Duggan> dru345 sucks to be you :/[09:38:58] <Ziusudra> jamming all or are some of the targets from DriveSetup still built? :)[09:39:13] <Duggan> true that...[09:39:16] <dru345> i didn't clean[09:39:54] <Ziusudra> and no -a switch?[09:40:10] <dru345> nah[09:40:11] *** Mixer has quit IRC[09:41:31] <Duggan> brb[09:41:52] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[09:44:42] *** luroh has joined #haiku[09:45:00] <CIA-49> pulkomandy * r37398 /haiku/trunk/src/bin/locale/collectcatkeys.cpp: Fix target-side collectcatkeys to use the new regexp.[09:45:12] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[09:46:28] <dru345> is there supposed to be some point to this color coding in terminal? - http://imagebin.org/104066[09:46:43] <dru345> (other than destroying readability)[09:47:11] <Duggan> nope, thats it[09:47:29] <Duggan> thats secret encoded information you need your secret decoder glasses to read[09:47:51] <Duggan> or: your colors are screwed up, because that doesn't happen to me lol[09:48:05] * michaelvo trying to find why error: 'status_t BBufferProducer::SendBuffer(BBuffer*, const media_destination&)' is private[09:49:02] <Duggan> can't help you there :/[09:49:16] <Duggan> dru345 try: open up a terminal[09:49:19] <Duggan> type cd Desktop[09:49:21] <Duggan> type cd Home[09:49:24] <Duggan> type cd Desktop[09:49:27] <Duggan> type cd Home[09:49:29] <Duggan> etc[09:49:52] *** Mixer has quit IRC[09:50:10] <michaelvo> SendBuffer was deprecated[09:50:12] <michaelvo> :([09:50:20] <Ziusudra> hmm, I don't get a different background color for folders[09:50:20] <dru345> xD Duggan[09:50:20] <Duggan> or: type cd Desktop/Home, push up arrow, hit enter, repeat[09:51:01] <Ziusudra> or files for that matter[09:51:04] <Duggan> I don't get green for anything[09:51:10] <Duggan> my colors are blue[09:51:16] <dru345> ~/Desktop/Home/Desktop/Home/Desktop/Home/Desktop/Home/Desktop/Home/Desktop>[09:51:23] <Duggan> hehehe[09:51:37] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[09:52:11] <Duggan> now type ../../../../../../../../../../../../../../../../../.. to get back lol[09:52:27] <Ziusudra> pwd[09:52:28] <Duggan> ... or just cd ~[09:52:33] <Ziusudra> oops :P[09:52:38] <Duggan> hehe[09:54:08] <Ziusudra> also changed the prompt to only show the current dir rather than path :)[09:54:23] <Duggan> Ziusudra did you create that other ticket yet?[09:54:51] <Ziusudra> no, though it's in progress[09:55:59] <Duggan> ok cool, please don't forget to mention it in a comment in #3036 so I can find it later hehe[09:56:09] <luroh> dru345: strange, i'm not seeing that background color, although i'm sure i did at some point not long ago[09:56:21] <Duggan> what exactly does #pragma mark - do?... its supposed to be something for Pe, but it doesn't do anything that I can tell[09:56:37] <dru345> i'm on 37283[09:56:53] <Duggan> funny, so am I[09:56:55] <dru345> almost a week old :([09:57:17] <Ziusudra> done and done http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/3036#comment:22[09:57:29] <Duggan> I'm going to stick with it for a little while, its stable and I don't want to be bothered with having to test a whole other build yet[09:57:33] *** OmniMancer1 has joined #haiku[09:57:34] *** Mixer has quit IRC[09:57:51] <Duggan> awesome, thank you :)[09:58:13] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[09:59:03] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[10:02:07] <Duggan> hmm can't seem to figure out where the cc thing is in this one[10:02:51] <Ziusudra> dru345, do you have a DIR_COLORS file somewhere? common/etc maybe[10:03:09] <Duggan> ah got it[10:03:26] <dru345> not there, no Ziusudra[10:04:03] <Ziusudra> somewhere in home or home/config?[10:04:05] <dru345> ah ha[10:04:12] <dru345> in /boot/system/bin there's one[10:04:13] *** Mixer has quit IRC[10:04:54] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[10:06:21] <Duggan> binary file...[10:06:37] <dru345> made no difference. oh well.[10:06:51] <dru345> i'll worry about it next nightly update :D[10:08:52] <Ziusudra> do have a LS_COLORS env var?[10:09:15] <Duggan> I dont[10:09:57] *** J-Ho has joined #haiku[10:10:27] <Duggan> maybe if GetPreferredWidth returned the right value, maybe then it would work right...[10:10:49] <Duggan> this one's gonna be a tuffy...[10:11:29] <dru345> not that i'm aware of Ziusudra[10:11:55] <Ziusudra> dircolors outputs the commands you would need to run but doesn't run them[10:12:00] <Duggan> dru345 type "echo $LS_COLORS"[10:12:17] <Ziusudra> you can see if you have that env var by typing env[10:12:24] <dru345> that gets me a black line :D[10:12:26] <Ziusudra> or that too[10:12:28] <dru345> blank*[10:12:35] <dru345> so no :P[10:12:40] <Ziusudra> Strange[10:13:09] <dru345> yeah. not gonna worry about it. :P[10:13:57] <Ziusudra> well, if it still happens with the next nightly you might file a bug[10:14:02] <dru345> yeah[10:14:10] <Duggan> I'm using the same build, I don't have that problem[10:14:13] <dru345> it's not even one of xeon's builds.[10:14:47] <Duggan> I still think this is cool....[10:14:48] <Duggan> OS Uptime [Haiku]: 2 days 4 hrs 19 mins 1.187 sec[10:14:49] <dru345> well Duggan is we know how Haiku is designed we might know ;)[10:14:56] <dru345> if*[10:15:01] <Duggan> lol true, true[10:15:06] *** Mixer has quit IRC[10:15:14] <dru345> ok back to tracker. it crashed on start last time :/[10:15:24] <Duggan> the documentation team seems to have alot of things going on in the shadows... they've got documentation but I haven't seen it anywhere that I'm aware of...[10:15:41] <Duggan> so I'm debating if I want to get in on that lol[10:16:22] <Duggan> they're translating... stuff[10:16:36] <Duggan> but the api isn't documented yet... so whats going on, I do not know...[10:16:54] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[10:17:12] *** CK|iPod has quit IRC[10:17:52] <Duggan> you're far more patient than I[10:18:28] *** OmniMancer1 has quit IRC[10:19:58] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[10:20:12] <dru345> *updates nightly*[10:20:35] <PulkoMandy> pragma mark inserts separators in the "function" menu in pe[10:22:16] <PulkoMandy> Duggan: the documenation being translated is an user guide, not the api reference[10:22:26] <Duggan> ah ok[10:23:00] <PulkoMandy> it's available somewhere on the internet and, IIRC, there is a shortcut to it on the desktop on alpha builds[10:23:18] <Duggan> I realize that stuff like that is necessary, sure, but what about documenting the code? is anybody doing that?[10:23:29] <PulkoMandy> not much these days[10:23:34] *** warpdesign has quit IRC[10:23:42] <Duggan> what team would I talk to if I were interested in assisting with that?[10:23:42] <PulkoMandy> we have http://api.haiku-os.org ; but improvements on it are welcome[10:23:55] <PulkoMandy> there are some pages on trac about it too[10:23:58] <Duggan> yes, theres hardly anything there that I've found[10:24:08] <Duggan> at api.haiku-os.org[10:24:21] <PulkoMandy> http://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/ApiDocumentationStatus[10:24:29] <Duggan> I'm surprised nobody's gone through and added doxygen comments to everything[10:25:02] *** Mixer has quit IRC[10:25:13] * dru345 unplugs Mixer[10:25:21] <Duggan> please do, dru345[10:25:25] <Duggan> thank you PulkoMandy[10:25:30] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[10:26:33] <PulkoMandy> there are rules as to where to put the doxygen things[10:26:51] <PulkoMandy> asically they're not in the sourcecode itself; but separated .dox files[10:27:38] *** CK|iPod has joined #haiku[10:27:57] <PulkoMandy> feel free to create some of these and send them on trac or the mailing list... the most annoying part is that we are not allowed to reuse the Be Book, sowe have to rewrite everything without looking at it[10:27:58] <Duggan> ah, I understand... help keep the code clean[10:28:19] <Duggan> I understand[10:28:41] <Duggan> has anyone given any thought to things like UML diagrams?[10:29:29] <PulkoMandy> I like them, and I made some when designing the Locale Kit[10:30:09] <PulkoMandy> it would be nice to build class diagrams from C++ sourcecode, but I didn't found any tool to do that[10:30:19] <Duggan> I guess I can write one... lol[10:31:30] *** Mixer has quit IRC[10:32:26] <Duggan> dru345 you up for this?[10:32:37] <dru345> sure[10:32:56] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[10:32:58] <Duggan> we just need one more person... lol[10:34:16] <Duggan> I think I might look into creating that class diagram generator first though[10:35:52] <PulkoMandy> mh... I wonder if doxygen can do it ...[10:36:21] <PulkoMandy> I recall seeing some inheritance diagrams in ICU doxygen at least... don't know if they put them by hand or whatever[10:36:45] <PulkoMandy> http://www.star.bnl.gov/public/comp/sofi/doxygen/diagrams.html[10:36:48] <PulkoMandy> apparently it does[10:37:21] <Duggan> sweet[10:38:55] <Duggan> brb[10:40:59] *** Mixer has quit IRC[10:41:14] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[10:48:35] *** tqh has joined #haiku[10:48:56] *** xray7224 has joined #haiku[10:49:06] *** iIngenu has joined #haiku[10:51:07] <Duggan> back[10:51:20] <dru345> wb[10:51:23] <Duggan> danke[10:51:33] *** impy has quit IRC[10:53:14] *** Mixer has quit IRC[10:53:20] <Duggan> PulkoMandy alot of the links on that page appear to be deceased[10:54:46] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[10:55:27] *** xray7224 has quit IRC[10:56:03] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[10:56:15] <dru345> 37395 has the same color fiasco in terminal for me[10:57:07] *** impy has joined #haiku[10:57:57] <dru345> oops i got the gcc4h. installs the gcc2h instead[10:59:25] <Duggan> sucks to be you[10:59:35] <Duggan> sorry, not much else I can say....[10:59:35] <dru345> u said that like an hr go :P[10:59:42] <Duggan> hope you're not color blind :P[11:00:02] <dru345> no :P[11:00:08] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[11:00:10] <Duggan> lucky you then hehe[11:00:12] <Duggan> wb PulkoMandy[11:00:45] <Duggan> PulkoMandy appears that nobody's touched the api docs in a long time[11:00:47] *** Mixer has quit IRC[11:00:53] <Duggan> and now they're needed more than ever[11:01:19] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[11:02:54] <PulkoMandy> yes[11:03:24] <PulkoMandy> we're starting to move away from the Be Book more and more[11:03:27] <dru345> it's sad really :([11:03:36] *** kieselsteini has joined #haiku[11:03:39] <dru345> there's no 'glory' in doing docs however[11:03:43] <PulkoMandy> Layout Kit, Locale Kit, some new functions in BString for handling unicode, ...[11:03:46] <Duggan> me and dru345 have been talking about helping with the docs[11:04:09] <Duggan> dru345 no, but you'd definately be the go-to guy if somebody needs help.... probably the best way to learn the OS lol[11:04:28] <dru345> lol[11:04:37] <Duggan> after all, "Learning to Program With the Be Operating System" had to be written by somebody hehe[11:04:51] <Duggan> or whatever the name of it was...[11:04:55] <Duggan> good book btw[11:04:58] <Duggan> free now[11:05:11] <dru345> yeah I've used that as reference here and there[11:05:51] *** kmargar has joined #haiku[11:06:46] <Duggan> http://oreilly.com/catalog/beosprog/book/ for those interested[11:07:11] <Duggan> surprised they took the link down on the haiku site[11:07:13] <dru345> isn't it linked from haiku site as a pdf?[11:07:13] *** markos_ has quit IRC[11:07:15] <dru345> oh[11:07:26] <dru345> sucks to be haiku site then :P[11:07:27] <Duggan> it used to be, ever since they upgraded it I haven't seen it[11:07:30] <Duggan> lol[11:08:53] *** markos_ has joined #haiku[11:09:05] <Duggan> hi markos_[11:09:18] <Duggan> hmm I'm wondering how to go about this then...[11:09:23] <markos_> hi[11:09:25] *** Mixer has quit IRC[11:09:44] <dru345> "go about?"[11:10:01] * dru345 irradiates Mixer's machines with an EM pulse[11:10:09] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[11:11:27] *** kmargar has quit IRC[11:12:33] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[11:12:36] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[11:14:57] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[11:18:10] *** Mixer has quit IRC[11:18:19] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[11:18:39] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[11:19:42] *** Ziusudra has quit IRC[11:19:53] *** xray7224 has joined #haiku[11:21:00] <Duggan> you know, to go about doing something?[11:21:35] <dru345> yes but I don't understand what you're going to go about. what is 'this'? :/[11:21:48] <Duggan> getting started with the docs[11:22:12] <dru345> oh[11:23:23] <Duggan> interesting...[11:23:41] <Duggan> the documentation files has completely been removed from the repo[11:23:43] <PulkoMandy> just take the existing .dox file and see if everything match with the .h[11:23:46] <Duggan> files have^[11:23:56] <Duggan> can't.... they're not there[11:24:06] <PulkoMandy> mh... likely they moved somewhere else, in a branch maybe[11:24:40] *** Mixer has quit IRC[11:24:42] <Duggan> according to http://api.haiku-os.org/apidoc.html they're at /trunk/src/documentation/haiku_book/ except /haiku_book/ isn't there[11:24:52] *** Haikuni has joined #haiku[11:25:20] <dru345> start over? :P[11:25:40] *** markos_ has quit IRC[11:25:42] *** CK|Android has joined #haiku[11:25:46] *** sprma has joined #haiku[11:26:03] <Duggan> ./trunk/docs/user[11:26:56] *** markos_ has joined #haiku[11:27:35] <Haikuni> Hello! is there somebody that is into www.bebits.com?[11:27:56] <Duggan> define "into"[11:27:57] <michaelvo> no.. only Haikuware now[11:27:58] <michaelvo> :D[11:28:07] <Haikuni> :-) sorry[11:28:11] *** sprma has quit IRC[11:28:15] <Duggan> no, I like bebits, not everything's been moved over[11:28:33] <Haikuni> I'd want to obtain a registration but I can't find the function...:-([11:28:37] <ianj|C> i wasn't aware there was a split now[11:28:40] <Duggan> not allowed[11:28:43] *** kmargar has joined #haiku[11:29:01] <Duggan> Haikuni haikuware acquired bebits, bebits is only left up for posterity more or less[11:29:11] <PulkoMandy> you have to move on to haikuware[11:29:16] <ianj|C> damn, how did i miss that...[11:29:23] <Duggan> account creation was removed to facilitate account migration to haikuware[11:29:23] <PulkoMandy> and help migrate things from bebits when it's not done yet[11:29:33] <Haikuni> I'd want to contact devilcode, I can't find the email contact only on bebits:-( I have an account on haikuware[11:30:01] *** LoganA has quit IRC[11:30:06] <Duggan> there are several people I'd want to contact, but can't... and there are more broken links every day :([11:30:15] *** LoganA has joined #haiku[11:30:25] <CK|Android> another day, another 404[11:30:31] <Duggan> yep[11:30:38] <Duggan> sad to see the old site go[11:30:54] <Duggan> but I guess a sad, lonely, drawn out, painful death is far better than the quick one that would've happened[11:31:07] <Duggan> bebits still looks better and is easier to navigate :P[11:31:07] <CK|Android> but, as more 404's happen, even more 200's appear every day. :)[11:31:09] *** markos_ has quit IRC[11:31:18] <Haikuni> thank you very much for your answer. I understand...[11:31:26] <ianj|C> the important thing to keep in mind is that the BeOS community has managed to build a future for itself[11:31:38] <ianj|C> most platforms put in the situation we were in 2001 just faded out[11:32:02] <Duggan> not under my watch :P..... I just wasn't in the position to do anything about it at the time lol[11:32:29] <ianj|C> i have my hand in a lot of platforms, and i've never seen anything like this.[11:32:57] *** tqh has quit IRC[11:33:07] <Duggan> is it just me or are Haiku users more rabid than BeOS users?[11:33:08] *** kmargar has quit IRC[11:33:40] <ianj|C> couldn't say.[11:33:52] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[11:34:20] <Haikuni> Thank you I will try to find devilcoder user on internet... he wrote a chat application, I'd like to see the source code[11:34:28] <Duggan> I mean, I used to cheer BeOS like mad, but I was sitting in the stands.... now I'm out in the field wearing a skirt doing flips for Haiku....[11:34:32] <Duggan> pompoms ftw[11:34:52] <Duggan> Haikuni np, best of luck[11:35:21] <Haikuni> thank you anyway for your help have a nice day![11:35:25] <Duggan> thanks you too[11:35:30] <Duggan> btw, that was a joke about the skirt...[11:36:03] <Duggan> it was a simile...[11:36:05] <Haikuni> I don't know English very well :-)[11:36:22] <Duggan> hehe its ok[11:37:19] <Duggan> brb, time for more nicotine[11:37:30] *** judgen has joined #haiku[11:38:48] *** ali3n0 has joined #haiku[11:39:17] *** margiolas has joined #haiku[11:39:34] <michaelvo> @Duggan, This will kill you, like Coke and Vodka :D[11:40:04] <dru345> and least coke & vodka tastes good :P[11:41:57] *** xray7224 has quit IRC[11:42:17] *** markos_ has joined #haiku[11:44:17] *** xray7224 has joined #haiku[11:45:27] <dru345> brb restart[11:45:32] *** dv- has quit IRC[11:45:40] <CIA-49> pulkomandy * r37399 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/interface/AbstractLayoutItem.cpp: Patch by Alex Wilson, part of GSoC 2010 : fix a "typo" in AbstractLayoutItem.[11:45:48] *** dru345 has quit IRC[11:45:52] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[11:46:40] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[11:48:21] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[11:48:35] *** AlexFera has joined #haiku[11:49:01] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[11:49:25] *** dru345 has joined #haiku[11:50:18] <Duggan> its got what plants crave[11:50:56] <ianj|C> THE THIRST MUTILATOR![11:51:04] <Duggan> hehe[11:53:35] *** sprma has joined #haiku[11:55:27] <surrounder> IT MAKES YOU WIN AT YELLING![11:57:02] <dru345> did you decide how to go about it Duggan?[11:57:33] *** xray7224 has quit IRC[11:58:12] <Duggan> yes I suppose[11:58:47] <Duggan> I would start with things that are more likely to be used[11:58:52] <Duggan> controls and whatnot[11:58:56] <Duggan> parts of the interface kit[11:59:43] <Duggan> my question is, however, if it would be beneficial to document EVERYTHING as opposed to just the public bits that people would use[12:01:21] <dru345> perhaps[12:01:21] <Duggan> actually, I correct myself, they'd use everything because the haiku api is based on deriving classes[12:01:28] <Duggan> but it doesn't seem like it from the existing docs[12:01:34] <dru345> yeah[12:02:32] <Duggan> but yeah, I'd probably start with common stuff[12:03:01] <Duggan> and maybe one day delve into documenting other things, like the kernel and whatnot[12:03:44] <Duggan> afterall, there will be an R14 one day... and somebody's going to have to dig into the kernel code and decipher it to make changes[12:03:57] <Duggan> might as well document that too[12:04:26] <Duggan> but right now I'd rather make it easier for people to write software.... software is whats going to bring more users[12:04:33] <Duggan> and more users is whats going to bring more developers[12:05:20] <dru345> it would be useful for JonathanThompson's plan to refactor the code to eliminate circular dependencies for R2 if he, you know, knew where they were :)[12:06:41] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[12:08:20] <Duggan> lol[12:09:35] <Duggan> I'm debating...[12:09:54] <Duggan> whether I want to write that program anyway...[12:10:09] <Duggan> the one that parses the code and generates class diagrams[12:10:38] <dru345> write is... as portable code or haiku native? O.o[12:11:00] <Duggan> not sure, been debating[12:11:20] <Duggan> thought at first to write it in C# because string manipulation is somewhat easier (somewhat)[12:11:37] <Duggan> then went to thinking about writing it as a CLI program... like doxygen[12:11:39] * dru345 casts out the demon[12:11:45] <OmniMancer> :/[12:11:50] * dru345 hisses at C#[12:11:55] <Duggan> C# is awesome[12:12:07] <Duggan> took me a long time to be convinced of it, but yes, it is[12:12:15] * OmniMancer offers falcon as a language where string manipulation is probably easier than C++ :P[12:12:24] <Duggan> qbasic[12:12:41] *** Mixer has quit IRC[12:12:47] <dru345> lol Duggan[12:12:52] <dru345> Java ;P[12:13:06] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[12:13:21] <Duggan> java sucks monkey balls, I'll have nothing to do with that thank you, sir.[12:14:33] * michaelvo remember the old evenings that making games using qbasic[12:14:46] <Duggan> yes, qbasic. good ole qbasic.[12:14:54] <Duggan> I should probably write it in qbasic just because I can...[12:15:25] <michaelvo> :D so inspired me to learn VisualBasic[12:15:33] <michaelvo> and then.. I stopped there[12:15:34] <michaelvo> haue[12:15:39] <Duggan> I moved from qbasic to vb4.0pro[12:15:46] <OmniMancer> :P[12:16:16] <Duggan> dabbled a little in pascal, moonrock, linoleum, and a few others...[12:16:32] <dru345> RealBasic is crossplatform :D[12:16:42] <dru345> moonrock O.o[12:16:49] <Duggan> then on to c++, cobol, fortran, vb.net, c#...[12:17:02] <Duggan> yes?[12:17:18] <dru345> not heard of moonrock.[12:17:22] <dru345> i'll google :P[12:17:28] <dru345> smalltalk ftw xD[12:17:31] *** strohi has joined #haiku[12:17:58] <dru345> you can draw the diagrams in raw postscript ;P[12:18:10] *** Shisui has joined #haiku[12:18:44] <dru345> Duggan... being serious for 3 seconds, what 3 features make C# better than alternatives for you? :P[12:19:06] *** Mixer has quit IRC[12:19:13] <Duggan> http://www.rowan.sensation.net.au/moonrock.html[12:19:25] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[12:19:48] <Duggan> dru345 it provides RAD tools for GUI development with a c/c++ like syntax that is not as strict as actual c/c++[12:20:18] <dru345> eh. that sounds like a tools thing more than language. :P[12:20:20] <Duggan> the same question applies to vb[12:20:39] <Duggan> vb and c# are the same, the syntax is just a little different[12:20:40] <dru345> (haiku needs better tools)[12:20:43] <Duggan> they have the same apis and all[12:20:47] <Duggan> dru345 agreed[12:21:00] <Duggan> niue was looking good but paladin's the thing now[12:25:55] *** matthias9 has quit IRC[12:25:56] *** Nozy has quit IRC[12:26:41] <Duggan> I wonder if the abuse-a-tron is still up...[12:27:58] <Duggan> hmm its changed somewhat[12:28:33] <dru345> hadn't seen niue before. what happened to it?[12:30:23] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[12:31:28] <Duggan> beats me, last time I tried it it didn't work, but it did before and was pretty nice[12:31:31] <Anarchos> how to mount an iso file ?[12:31:32] *** Mixer has quit IRC[12:31:46] <Duggan> double click it I think[12:31:55] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[12:31:56] <dru345> double click on it Anarchos[12:32:24] *** matthias9 has joined #haiku[12:32:24] *** Nozy has joined #haiku[12:33:49] *** ali3n0 has quit IRC[12:37:40] <Duggan> damn..... almost half the guy's requests on his webserver were for moonrock lol[12:37:45] *** strohi has quit IRC[12:42:04] *** x-pilot has joined #haiku[12:57:09] *** Haikuni has quit IRC[13:00:14] <Anarchos> what is moonrock ?[13:01:59] *** Mixer has quit IRC[13:02:31] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[13:03:25] <dru345> Anarchos - http://www.rowan.sensation.net.au/moonrock.html[13:04:32] *** Ingenu has joined #haiku[13:04:58] <Anarchos> got to go[13:05:03] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[13:05:03] <Duggan> l8r[13:05:56] <Duggan> moonrock claimed to have had a basic-like syntax (which it really wasn't lol) but it DID compile to exe's in a time when compilers that did that were rather expensive[13:06:22] <Duggan> fooled around with it before I got vb[13:06:40] <dru345> ic[13:07:56] *** kmargar has joined #haiku[13:08:31] *** Mixer has quit IRC[13:08:50] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[13:09:10] <Duggan> wow... linoleum has a wikipedia entry...[13:10:53] *** markos_ has quit IRC[13:12:59] *** wry has quit IRC[13:14:27] *** iIngenu has quit IRC[13:14:51] *** Mixer has quit IRC[13:15:22] *** markos_ has joined #haiku[13:16:26] *** kmargar has quit IRC[13:26:21] *** judgen has quit IRC[13:26:40] *** judgen has joined #haiku[13:30:46] *** judgen has quit IRC[13:34:48] <Duggan> well, for lack of anything better to do... I'm off to bed[13:34:54] <dru345> ok :([13:35:03] <Duggan> bored to death...[13:35:05] <dru345> goodnight Duggan :P[13:35:17] <Duggan> l8r dru345, see you in a few hours[13:35:23] <dru345> as they say you're only bored because you're boring ;)[13:35:32] <Duggan> never heard that one :P[13:35:36] <dru345> oh![13:35:46] <dru345> now you have :P[13:35:55] <dru345> I'm trying to do a diagram of BButton :/[13:35:58] <Duggan> hehe[13:36:02] <Duggan> cool, have fun![13:36:08] <Duggan> see you in a while[13:36:09] <dru345> lol. i'd rather work on tracker[13:36:12] <dru345> k. o/[13:36:14] <Duggan> then work on tracker :P[13:36:15] <Duggan> lol[13:36:21] <Duggan> l8r[13:37:39] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[13:45:29] <stpere> morning[13:47:16] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[13:47:18] <dru345> hi[13:54:51] *** Ola has joined #haiku[13:55:19] *** Ola is now known as Guest35209[13:55:51] *** Guest35209 is now known as OlaHughson[13:57:37] *** michaelvo has quit IRC[14:03:29] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[14:09:22] <Xeon3D> hi[14:09:56] *** sprma has quit IRC[14:10:06] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[14:10:08] <dru345> \o/ it's Xeon3D![14:10:19] <Xeon3D> yup i'm here. :D[14:13:45] * dru345 wonders what Xeon3D has been up to (writing Haiku docs?) :P[14:15:12] <Xeon3D> nah[14:15:32] <Xeon3D> I haven't done any Haiku related work (apart from the occasional praise) in days[14:20:13] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[14:22:05] <dru345> PM, Xeon3D :P[14:24:33] <gluon> hi Xeon3D[14:25:36] <gluon> 36C here... you should go to the beach![14:28:05] *** kmargar has joined #haiku[14:28:50] *** markos_ has quit IRC[14:30:16] *** Mixer has quit IRC[14:30:41] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[14:31:47] *** markos_ has joined #haiku[14:35:33] *** kmargar has quit IRC[14:36:36] *** markos_ has quit IRC[14:40:44] *** Mixer has quit IRC[14:41:11] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[14:48:45] *** kurain__ has joined #haiku[14:48:58] <kurain__> hello all[14:49:03] <dru345> hi[14:49:13] <gluon> hi kurain__[14:50:07] <kurain__> any news about haiku?[14:53:11] *** Mixer has quit IRC[14:53:12] <Xeon3D> hi kurain__ , gluon[14:53:28] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[14:53:31] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[14:53:38] <Xeon3D> heh gluon, not much of a beach guy[14:53:50] <gluon> geek :P[14:54:28] <Xeon3D> indeed.[14:59:24] *** Mixer has quit IRC[14:59:26] *** CK|iPod has quit IRC[14:59:48] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[15:00:12] *** dru345 has quit IRC[15:05:50] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[15:07:09] *** dru345 has joined #haiku[15:13:27] <gluon> where's humdinger?[15:14:07] <kurain__> is sleeping now , listen , zzZZ![15:14:45] <gluon> :D[15:17:11] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[15:17:54] *** Mixer has quit IRC[15:19:20] <kurain__> what's wrong , gluon[15:19:46] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[15:19:55] <gluon> I'd like to request him a translation manager account[15:20:14] <kurain__> which language?[15:20:36] <gluon> portuguese[15:20:51] <kurain__> I see your mail in haiku mailinglist[15:20:52] <gluon> european portuguese[15:20:58] <kurain__> I know[15:21:31] <kurain__> well, I have just begin chinese translation, too .welcome you[15:21:56] <gluon> thank you[15:22:23] <kurain__> do you have some partners[15:22:37] <gluon> yap, Xeon3D[15:22:45] <kurain__> marcos[15:22:47] <kurain__> ?[15:23:11] <kurain__> well, marcos is a good man[15:23:28] <kurain__> he has given much help to me[15:23:51] <gluon> yeah[15:24:46] <kurain__> it seemed that your language block in online tool is lost, too[15:24:58] *** judgen has joined #haiku[15:25:08] <judgen> hahaha % got a light?[15:25:13] <judgen> no match...[15:25:14] <judgen> lol[15:25:21] <kurain__> light?[15:26:06] <judgen> or try typing % \(- in bash[15:26:22] <kurain__> ok[15:26:41] *** iIngenu has joined #haiku[15:26:47] <kurain__> can you tell a little about what will happen if i do[15:27:48] *** Mixer has quit IRC[15:28:38] *** helf|laptop has quit IRC[15:29:11] * dru345 wonders if mixer is changing services[15:29:18] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[15:29:34] <judgen> (-: Command not found.[15:29:36] <judgen> hehe[15:29:37] <Xeon3D> kurain__: I don't think we never had a Portuguese Block in the userguide tool as that translation never started.[15:30:18] <kurain__> oho,:-P[15:30:30] * Xeon3D is trying to do his accounting... I forgot where I've spent money yesterday :P[15:31:24] <kurain__> well, judgen, i tried that command in bash, but it just shou > ,then nothing[15:31:28] *** Andrius has joined #haiku[15:31:34] <judgen> darn[15:31:38] <judgen> it is supposed to work[15:31:52] <judgen> should present the smiley and "command not found"[15:32:09] <kurain__> well,but it didn't[15:34:10] <CIA-49> pulkomandy * r37400 /haiku/trunk/src/preferences/locale/ (6 files):[15:34:10] <CIA-49> * Separate the Settings class from the locale preflet a little (it can be reused in other parts of the OS)[15:34:10] <CIA-49> * Improve the settings class so it is able to handle a revert[15:34:10] <CIA-49> * Re-enable the revert button in the preflet and make it work.[15:34:10] <CIA-49> This fixes #5897.[15:34:33] <kurain__> somebody have tried build haiku in haiku os[15:34:39] <kurain__> ?[15:35:20] *** Mixer has quit IRC[15:35:36] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[15:35:56] *** xray7224 has joined #haiku[15:36:02] <Xeon3D> kurain__: I did a while ago[15:36:38] <kurain__> have you secceed?[15:36:45] <kurain__> have you succeed?[15:37:27] <Xeon3D> I think so :)[15:37:57] <kurain__> well, today I have tried building haiku on centos, but it failed[15:38:26] <kurain__> maybe some settings is wrong[15:39:28] <kurain__> I think it should be easier with not too much settings to finish.[15:39:34] <kurain__> if on haiku[15:40:39] <Xeon3D> yeah, building on haiku is the simpler way[15:40:47] <Xeon3D> as most of the required stuff is already present.[15:41:05] <kurain__> right, i will try[15:41:06] <Xeon3D> It's also the slower way (apart from dru's vm's/atom machine) :P[15:41:30] *** Beyecixramd has joined #haiku[15:41:36] *** Mixer has quit IRC[15:41:41] <kurain__> you meag dru345?[15:41:51] <dru345> mhmm[15:41:51] <kurain__> you mean dru345[15:41:57] *** Andrius[] has joined #haiku[15:42:04] <dru345> building in a VM is exceedingly slow[15:42:10] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[15:42:28] <kurain__> I didn't say any words behindyou[15:42:32] *** Andrius has quit IRC[15:42:33] <kurain__> dru345[15:43:16] <Xeon3D> yeah, I meant dru345[15:43:17] <kurain__> maybe your atom machine is really fast[15:43:26] <Xeon3D> kurain__: it's the opposite :P[15:44:01] <kurain__> you both shouldn't confuse me[15:45:25] <kurain__> if I build haiku-image on haiku, will it be a hard task for haiku that make it crash[15:45:54] <dru345> no. i've build haiku on haiku. Xeon3D has as well I think?[15:46:18] <Xeon3D> I did.[15:46:46] <Xeon3D> kurain__: building haiku on haiku works perfectly, it just takes a bit more time to compile then if you were compiling on Linux..[15:47:43] *** markos_ has joined #haiku[15:48:07] <judgen> building haiku on Zeta was a slow pain though =D[15:49:10] <dru345> Xeon3D wants to try building it on ecom ;)[15:49:14] <kurain__> I don't have a Zeta, so there will be to chance to try on Zeta[15:49:42] <kurain__> well, I have an ecomstation[15:49:57] <kurain__> it looks fine,[15:50:15] <dru345> I am just teasing Xeon3D. he doesn't like ecomstation.[15:50:29] <dru345> can't build haiku on it to my knowledge[15:50:39] <CIA-49> pulkomandy * r37401 /haiku/trunk/src/ (2 files in 2 dirs): A wrongly escaped regexp in collectcatkeys made it not find any strings to translate. Thanks to mt for noticing![15:50:52] *** kmargar has joined #haiku[15:50:56] *** andybe has joined #haiku[15:51:04] <kurain__> I agree[15:51:07] *** markos_ is now known as Guest46025[15:51:11] *** kmargar is now known as markos_[15:51:35] * andybe wow over 100 person up...[15:51:51] *** lorglas has joined #haiku[15:53:40] <kurain__> I am eatin watermelon with big mouth.:-D, it is so cool in such a hot day[15:53:43] *** Guest46025 has quit IRC[15:54:21] <andybe> somebody up to help me out in an simple declartion of c / c++?[15:54:48] * andybe stupid me did to lang go with java[15:55:15] <andybe> ??? const char *MKSDisplay::READ_COMMAND = (char) 0x04 + "19:1" + (char) 0x05;[15:55:28] <andybe> give me only length of 1?[15:56:54] <kurain__> while, I can't help as a newer not a programer[15:57:06] <CIA-49> pulkomandy * r37402 /haiku/trunk/data/catalogs/apps/expander/fr.catkeys: Fix a missing space in french translation.[15:57:43] <judgen> Xeon3D, anything in particular you don't like about ecom?[15:58:21] <kurain__> because it is not open source[15:58:47] <kurain__> well, in my mind:-),[16:00:24] *** megaf has joined #haiku[16:00:29] <Xeon3D> judgen: it's ugly, old, and erm complicated?[16:01:03] <judgen> Xeon3D, compared to what?[16:01:05] *** Hubert_ has joined #haiku[16:01:18] <Hodapp> andybe: try something more like = {4, '1', '9', ':', '1', 5, 0}[16:01:34] <Xeon3D> judgen: anything else? :D[16:01:48] *** lorglas has quit IRC[16:01:49] <Xeon3D> I'd rather use Win95 than eCom...[16:01:51] <judgen> Xeon3D, SunOS with OpenLook?[16:02:28] *** PacoLinux has joined #haiku[16:03:06] <Xeon3D> even openlook looks nicer.[16:03:20] <Hodapp> Xeon3D: don't even joke about Win95.[16:03:26] <Xeon3D> I was not joking.[16:03:40] <Xeon3D> I'd rather use Win95 than ecomstation.[16:03:51] <andybe> Hodapp: /Users/andy/Develop/Qt/Socket-build-desktop/../Socket/mksdisplay.cpp:7: error: scalar object 'SerialSocketFactory::MKSDisplay::TYPE_COMMAND' requires one element in initializer[16:03:52] *** megaf has quit IRC[16:04:00] <judgen> I would prefer the stabillity of OS/2 any day ofver windows 9x.[16:04:02] <dru345> "ugly, old and erm complicated" = I don't know how it works so it sucks.[16:04:43] * andybe lol ...[16:04:59] *** Megaf has joined #haiku[16:05:30] <Xeon3D> dru345: that's what I meant by the complicated part...[16:05:43] <Hodapp> dru345: and sometimes that still means it's ugly, old, and complicated.[16:05:51] <Xeon3D> I mean... setting up network related stuff is on an app called "MTSS somthing" ?[16:06:05] *** acous has joined #haiku[16:06:27] <Xeon3D> multi-tabbed+multi-paged rainbow-coloured preflets?[16:07:06] <Xeon3D> judgen: funnily enough, last time I tried OS/2 Warp 4.52, I wasn't so let down than with eComStation...[16:07:45] <dru345> odd really. but the eCom folks, while licensed, don't have source access. They've done a nice job considering.[16:07:56] <Xeon3D> Maybe I am spoiled by newer OS releases.. even Haiku is way WAY better to be than eCom.[16:07:57] <judgen> true[16:08:13] <dru345> don't be silly Xeon3D :P[16:08:19] <Xeon3D> *to me[16:08:26] <Xeon3D> I'm speaking my mind dru345[16:08:27] <dru345> eCom has Firefox 3.6.x :D[16:08:31] <Xeon3D> still.[16:08:36] <Xeon3D> I can use 2.x just as good. :)[16:08:48] <dru345> eCom has Flash 10 too :P[16:09:01] <Xeon3D> I can live perfectly without Flash.[16:09:03] <judgen> dru345, are you syure?[16:09:03] <Xeon3D> :D[16:09:10] <judgen> they have qt though[16:09:18] <Xeon3D> so does Haiku ^_^[16:09:21] *** markos_ has quit IRC[16:09:30] <kurain__> well, a new thing on an old car[16:09:36] <dru345> judgen I am sure about Flash 10. I read their web boards. It's been in testing.[16:09:36] *** l_n has quit IRC[16:09:37] <Xeon3D> I'd rather even use *gasp* AmigaOS 4 than eCom.[16:10:01] <dru345> I don't get that Xeon3D. :([16:10:09] *** mmadia has quit IRC[16:10:28] <Hodapp> I wonder if it's worth my time to just go get an LCD from a big-box retailer instead of Newegg since I don't feel like dealing with shipping (which can be an ordeal, living in an apartment that can't receive packages and having to get to a UPS or FedEx or USPS during working hours)[16:10:30] <judgen> dru345, it is a odin wrapper for the windows plugin?[16:10:50] <dru345> I suspect it is judgen. It's a licensed thing, however.[16:11:01] <judgen> Xeon3D, i prefer amigaos to almost anything.[16:11:41] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[16:11:43] <Xeon3D> http://www.ecomstation.org/screenshots/desktop.gif <- ecom amigaos 4 -> http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/images/osfour_shots/shot1.jpg[16:11:46] <dru345> hi mmadia[16:11:47] <Xeon3D> what's to decide? ^_^[16:12:02] <mmadia> 'lo dru345, *[16:12:19] <Xeon3D> Hodapp: ship it to your working place?[16:12:27] <Xeon3D> I used to do that.[16:12:39] <Hodapp> Xeon3D: eh, guess I could[16:12:44] <dru345> Xeon3D - that's a bit unfair. those are 3rd party apps (Object Desktop) on eCom.[16:13:08] <Xeon3D> dru345: so you mean that plain ecom is better than ecom with 3rd party apps? :P[16:13:25] <dru345> Xeon3D OD hasn't been updated since '96 or so.[16:13:37] <judgen> hmmmm: Pierre Nkurunziza is re-elected President of Burundi with more than 91% of the vote. fishy..[16:13:52] *** Megaf has quit IRC[16:14:00] *** andybe has quit IRC[16:14:11] <dru345> any election with those numbers is fishy.[16:14:58] <judgen> yeah[16:15:15] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[16:15:56] *** LoganA has quit IRC[16:16:17] *** LoganA has joined #haiku[16:16:27] *** Megaf has joined #haiku[16:17:48] <Xeon3D> dru345: also, idk if that OS 4 screenie is stock...[16:19:15] *** oco has joined #haiku[16:19:22] *** xray7224 has quit IRC[16:21:04] <kurain__> I prefer the gui like mac 8 or 9,[16:21:16] *** Mixer has quit IRC[16:21:29] <dru345> :D[16:21:35] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[16:22:04] <kurain__> we shouldn't use that much computer surce just for gui[16:24:41] *** kieselsteini has quit IRC[16:26:32] *** Geoz has joined #haiku[16:27:15] *** yourpalal has joined #haiku[16:27:30] <saivert> kurain__: you don't like the UI perfection that is Aqua?[16:27:44] *** oco has quit IRC[16:28:36] <kurain__> it seems cool[16:29:21] <kurain__> but you have to pay much for that[16:29:35] *** Andrius[] has quit IRC[16:29:42] *** Mixer has quit IRC[16:29:57] *** Barrett has quit IRC[16:30:06] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[16:30:14] *** Beyecixramd has quit IRC[16:31:29] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[16:34:30] *** Mixer has quit IRC[16:35:30] *** Megaf has quit IRC[16:36:51] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[16:39:05] *** LoganA has quit IRC[16:39:49] <judgen> saivert, i prefer platinum to aqua.[16:40:26] <judgen> also i prefer aqua over the newer toned down osx look that is mostly gray with low or no countours.[16:40:47] <gluon> mac 9 would be enough for me, mac os 10.0 at most[16:40:55] *** MrSunshine_ has quit IRC[16:41:07] <gluon> the early versions of aqua[16:43:59] <kurain__> agree with gluon[16:45:10] <kurain__> I think gui should more clear more clean.[16:46:59] *** Mixer has quit IRC[16:47:23] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[16:47:43] <judgen> in linux i use my own package of platinum os9 look =D[16:49:20] *** Andrius has joined #haiku[16:54:08] *** LoganA has joined #haiku[16:54:32] *** MrSunshine_ has joined #haiku[16:58:00] *** mbrumbelow has joined #haiku[16:59:33] *** Mixer has quit IRC[17:00:03] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[17:05:12] *** xray7224 has joined #haiku[17:10:04] *** Mixer has quit IRC[17:10:33] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[17:12:02] <CIA-49> bonefish * r37403 /haiku/trunk/build/jam/HaikuImage: Removed the annoying bash_completion script from the image. Fixes #5950.[17:12:32] *** marc_smith has joined #haiku[17:16:34] *** Mixer has quit IRC[17:19:14] *** The123king has joined #haiku[17:19:14] *** The123king has joined #haiku[17:19:49] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[17:19:54] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[17:20:11] <kurain__> hello humdinger[17:20:23] <humdinger> hi kurain__[17:21:23] <kurain__> maybe gluon is waiting for you[17:21:34] <kurain__> for a long time[17:22:23] <humdinger> now I'm here :)[17:23:22] <kurain__> humdinger, now who is writting the user guide of haku?[17:23:51] <humdinger> Anyone who wants to contribute can do so.[17:23:59] <humdinger> Discussion is on the docs mailing list.[17:24:28] <humdinger> ATM I'm the only semi-active author, but if there's serious demand, more people can easily be added.[17:24:59] <dru345> humdinger any activity on the doxygen / api documentation front?[17:25:16] <kurain__> well, I think it is you who is the main author[17:25:36] <humdinger> Up to now, yes.[17:25:59] *** strohi has joined #haiku[17:25:59] <humdinger> The api documentation isn't actively being worked on currently, I think...[17:26:44] *** AlexFera has quit IRC[17:27:02] <humdinger> I'm not sure how detailed the doxygen documentation of source code is done by the coders.[17:27:04] *** AlexFera has joined #haiku[17:27:19] <humdinger> Shouldn't doxygen docs be "compiled" directly from source?[17:27:29] <kurain__> because haiku is becoming more and more completed, so it needs more people[17:27:44] <humdinger> I agree.[17:28:41] <dru345> I just ran it against Tracker source. I've some some pretty if frightful Graphviz class hierarchy diagrams. :P[17:29:04] <humdinger> Apparently documenting the API is even less a favorite job than the user docs.[17:29:11] <dru345> indeed[17:29:20] <humdinger> Though I really liked writing chapters for the guide...[17:29:57] <humdinger> dru345: Tracker is apparently a major beast waiting for a rewrite.[17:30:39] <humdinger> Considering how much I love the Tracker in general, I can only dream how good it will become in the future.[17:30:45] <dru345> oh, yes. I've been looking at the Tracker code off and on awhile. I'm hoping this will make it slightless less opaque.[17:31:37] <dru345> I'm not sure Tracker is worth 'saving' rather than starting over. :P[17:31:57] <humdinger> As long as the general usage remains...[17:32:28] <dru345> yeah[17:34:55] <kurain__> while, when i am translating , I found some user guide is lost or not that completed like before[17:35:38] <kurain__> also some characters missed something[17:35:56] <humdinger> shouldn't be that much done after June 2nd. Got some examples?[17:36:00] <dru345> guess i'll try documenting interface kit :P[17:36:25] <humdinger> dru345: Right. Start from the smallest kit upward. :)[17:36:35] <kurain__> well, i want to complete the user guide, but I can only write it in chinese[17:37:29] <kurain__> but i am not familiar with the synax of online tool[17:38:22] <humdinger> You could post what you have on the docs mailing list and have everyone work on it together.[17:38:43] <humdinger> Maybe put it up on Google docs and everyone interested gets invited.[17:39:07] <kurain__> you know my poor english, it will be a big job[17:39:07] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[17:39:36] <humdinger> well. we have to start somewhere. :)[17:39:46] <kurain__> right[17:40:07] <humdinger> I have to go for a while now...[17:40:15] <kurain__> for us ,the existed documents about haiku is still so few[17:40:23] <kurain__> see you[17:40:28] <humdinger> laters[17:40:31] *** humdinger has quit IRC[17:43:47] *** Beyecixramd has joined #haiku[17:44:44] <The123king> someone point me in the direction of a nice Cd burning suite for Haiku? :)[17:45:09] *** Mixer has quit IRC[17:45:51] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[17:47:34] *** anarch9s has joined #haiku[17:51:08] *** The123king has quit IRC[17:51:52] *** Mixer has quit IRC[17:54:10] *** The123king has joined #haiku[17:54:10] *** The123king has joined #haiku[17:54:39] <The123king> first time in 3/4 weeks of fairly solid use, Haiku decided to hang[17:55:00] <The123king> I'm not complaining, that's pretty good going :P[18:03:35] * Xeon3D will bbl[18:03:44] *** lorglas has joined #haiku[18:04:01] <dru345> ok Xeon3D[18:04:55] <lorglas> hallo[18:05:05] <dru345> hi[18:06:08] *** Al2O3 has joined #haiku[18:09:34] <CIA-49> bonefish * r37404 /haiku/trunk/headers/posix/arch/ (arm/fenv.h ppc/fenv.h x86/fenv.h x86_64/fenv.h):[18:09:34] <CIA-49> * Replace remaining BeOS int types.[18:09:34] <CIA-49> * Removed inclusion of <SupportDefs.h>, respectively replaced it with[18:09:34] <CIA-49> <stdint.h>.[18:10:07] <kurain__> somebody have the collection of all the mails of haiku-kernel mailing lists[18:10:16] <kurain__> ?[18:10:21] <kurain__> I need that[18:10:58] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[18:15:56] <marc_smith> kurain__: still porting? :)[18:16:17] <kurain__> yes[18:16:25] <Xeon3D> The123king: there isn't one afaik[18:16:28] <marc_smith> wish you luck with this[18:16:38] <kurain__> so i need to know more about the kernel[18:16:57] <marc_smith> I hope you'llsucceed eventually[18:17:40] <kurain__> so i will have to collect their mails[18:17:57] <kurain__> because os lack for documents[18:20:58] *** Mixer has quit IRC[18:21:25] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[18:24:14] *** adriano-src has joined #haiku[18:29:26] *** Mixer has quit IRC[18:29:45] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[18:32:28] *** odites has joined #haiku[18:32:40] *** xray7224 has quit IRC[18:37:04] *** lorglas has quit IRC[18:46:14] *** genki has joined #haiku[18:46:34] <CIA-49> bonefish * r37405 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/file_systems/userlandfs/server/haiku/haiku_kernel_emu.cpp:[18:46:34] <CIA-49> Added a bit of stuff referenced by inline functions in private kernel[18:46:34] <CIA-49> headers. GCC 2 has the unpleasant habit of actually linking the unused inline[18:46:34] <CIA-49> functions in. That doesn't suffice to build the userlandfs server with debug[18:46:34] <CIA-49> info (it would be the wrong file anyway), but allows to build checksumfs.[18:46:42] *** J-Ho has left #haiku[18:49:02] *** Sir_Konrad has joined #haiku[18:50:57] <CIA-49> bonefish * r37406 /haiku/trunk/src/tests/system/kernel/file_corruption/ (16 files in 3 dirs):[18:50:57] <CIA-49> * Added the beginnings of node support.[18:50:57] <CIA-49> * Added the bare minimum of file system hooks to mount the file system. Can't[18:50:57] <CIA-49> do anything more than listing the (empty) root directory yet, though.[18:50:57] <CIA-49> * Added Jamfile for building the file system for the userlandfs.[18:51:04] *** markos_ has joined #haiku[18:54:39] *** x-pilot has quit IRC[18:59:17] *** anarch9s has quit IRC[19:00:00] *** LinuxKeitaro has joined #haiku[19:02:28] *** tqh has joined #haiku[19:08:48] *** adriano-src has quit IRC[19:11:54] *** mbrumbelow has quit IRC[19:11:58] *** adriano-src has joined #haiku[19:14:04] *** x-pilot has joined #haiku[19:16:11] <gluon> is there any specific reason why www.haiku-os.org has no page linking to dev.haiku-os.org?[19:16:27] <gluon> maybe there's a link somewhere and I didn't find it :)[19:19:38] *** hUMUNGUs has joined #haiku[19:19:50] <dru345> there is a link somewhere just not in any obvious place :/[19:19:54] <dru345> hi hUMUNGUs[19:19:59] <hUMUNGUs> hey dru345[19:21:16] <gluon> I'm just asking this because I was thinking that a newcomer could find some bug and maybe it isn't obvious to find a link to trac[19:22:05] <dru345> yes[19:23:17] <gluon> maybe once haiku leaves alpha this changes[19:23:42] <dru345> it should happen now I think but it isn't up to me[19:23:44] <gluon> alpha isn't supposed to be for a hugely wide audience anyway[19:23:48] <gluon> yap[19:24:20] *** warpdesign has joined #haiku[19:24:37] *** iIngenu has quit IRC[19:25:43] *** tqh has quit IRC[19:27:13] *** vooshy has joined #haiku[19:27:20] <dru345> hi vooshy[19:29:35] <vooshy> dru345: hi[19:32:53] <dru345> what's new vooshy?[19:33:18] *** Xbertl has joined #haiku[19:39:54] *** tqh has joined #haiku[19:40:35] *** x-pilot has quit IRC[19:41:09] <vooshy> same old vooshy[19:41:35] <vooshy> how about yourself?[19:41:41] <dru345> i'll take that as a good thing.[19:41:55] <dru345> i'm tired. getting on ok i suppose.[19:42:43] <vooshy> dru345: almost positive :)[19:43:09] <kurain__> hi vooshy[19:43:18] <vooshy> kurain_: hi[19:43:55] <kurain__> same old for?[19:43:57] <vooshy> not often i ask questions on here, maybe someone can help. why are we discussing scrapping svn on the mailing list?[19:44:13] <dru345> mental illness? :P[19:44:42] <vooshy> im of the firm belief if it aint broke dont fix it.[19:44:45] <mmadia> mainly due to the overhead from developing in svn branches.[19:44:46] *** mbrumbelow has joined #haiku[19:45:06] <dru345> what sort of overhead?[19:45:07] <vooshy> mmadia: when you say overhead?[19:45:11] <mmadia> ... merging back and forth is horrific.[19:45:17] <dru345> ah[19:45:40] <dru345> easy fix: don't do that :D[19:46:21] <dru345> what's the leading replacement mmadia? git?[19:46:26] <mmadia> it needs to be done for certain large features though.[19:46:34] <vooshy> mmadia: what system do you prefer? hg/git/svn/etc?[19:46:49] <mmadia> the initial locale work, the new posix-locale, stack & tile, x86-64, the opengl...[19:46:50] <dru345> csv :P[19:47:11] <mmadia> all of those large features would destroy any sense of stability if they were developed in trunk.[19:47:22] <dru345> err cvs*[19:47:31] <mmadia> i've only worked with svn & hg and minimally at that.[19:47:59] <vooshy> dru345: oh, comma seperated value sounded fun[19:48:08] <dru345> lol yeah. sorry. i said i was tired :D[19:48:35] *** _Qeos_ has joined #haiku[19:48:57] <vooshy> mmadia: maybe you could blow them all out of the water with your own scripting :)[19:49:18] <mmadia> ha :P[19:50:01] <vooshy> we could have commands like -placeintrunkcarefully[19:50:14] <kurain__> how long have you been here in the channel? mmadia[19:50:31] *** l_n has joined #haiku[19:50:37] *** l_n has quit IRC[19:50:37] *** l_n has joined #haiku[19:50:41] <mmadia> i idle a lot while doing other things, kurain__[19:51:06] <dru345> is there a reliable compression tool on haiku?[19:51:22] <kurain__> have no idea[19:51:42] <mmadia> you mean like zip, p7zip, tar, ... ?[19:51:46] <dru345> I do[19:51:48] <vooshy> dru345: depends on the format youd like it in?[19:51:57] <dru345> doesn't matter what format[19:52:07] *** |Qeos| has quit IRC[19:52:14] *** CapitanPicoZ has joined #haiku[19:52:20] <dru345> I want to compress the haiku src and move it to the Mac for doxygen stuff.[19:52:46] <CapitanPicoZ> Hi, do you know any chess program which doesn't take the 100% of the CPU?[19:52:59] <vooshy> dru345: might want to try xz format for big things[19:53:24] <JonathanThompson> CapitanPicoZ: rarely will you find any chess program that's a deep/decent player that doesn't use whatever is available for a CPU.[19:53:48] <CapitanPicoZ> ouch[19:54:00] <JonathanThompson> There's no computer you can fit inside a house that'll ever be better than the best human chess players: perhaps it's good enough for most, but.... well ;)[19:54:16] <JonathanThompson> (Could be worse: you could be talking about the game of Go instead!)[19:54:32] <CapitanPicoZ> ok xD[19:54:55] <CapitanPicoZ> but does it happen with Windows too?:S[19:55:08] <JonathanThompson> Reread what I said :)[19:55:20] <dru345> hello JonathanThompson[19:55:26] <JonathanThompson> Hi dru345[19:55:32] * JonathanThompson poits dru345 in greetings[19:55:38] <l_n> this is weird.. i have made no changes to my system, and now when i press cmd-opt-t, it says there's a missing library (doesn't say which one) instead of starting a terminal[19:55:47] <CapitanPicoZ> ok[19:55:52] <CapitanPicoZ> thank you[19:57:20] *** x-pilot has joined #haiku[19:58:28] *** sil2100 has joined #haiku[19:59:56] <kurain__> it is time to sleep now[19:59:58] <kurain__> see you[20:00:03] <dru345> nini kurain__[20:00:13] *** kurain__ has left #haiku[20:02:45] <JonathanThompson> I'm curious: how much does it cost to switch cellular numbers?[20:02:49] *** OmniMancer1 has joined #haiku[20:02:52] <JonathanThompson> (Without leaving the same carrier)[20:03:09] <JonathanThompson> And without using a prepaid phone.[20:03:35] <vooshy> JonathonThompson: cost to you, or cost to them to do it?[20:03:43] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[20:03:45] <JonathanThompson> Cost to the phone customer.[20:03:55] <JonathanThompson> I imagine it may change between carriers.[20:04:31] <JonathanThompson> (I'm asking in reference to someone else, that just changed their phone number and alerted me about it, and they've done it relatively recently before that, too)[20:04:34] <CapitanPicoZ> bye ;)[20:04:35] <vooshy> uk between carriers is fre[20:04:38] *** CapitanPicoZ has left #haiku[20:04:39] <JonathanThompson> Bye CapitanPicoZ.[20:04:48] *** Sir_Konrad has quit IRC[20:04:50] <l_n> JonathanThompson: verizon charges $350 to get out of an "advanced device" contract.. prorated in the last year of your contract[20:04:53] <vooshy> *free[20:04:59] <JonathanThompson> I'd imagine there's a limit to how many times you can change in the US in a given time period.[20:05:17] <JonathanThompson> Well, I don't think they're trying to get out of the contract they're in, just change phone numbers.[20:05:23] *** DocPheniX has quit IRC[20:05:29] <dru345> he just wants to change his #[20:05:35] <JonathanThompson> Yes.[20:05:37] <dru345> in this Q[20:05:39] <JonathanThompson> (And just did, it seems)[20:05:46] <l_n> that should be free once or twice and then they charge[20:06:01] <dru345> it never cost me :P[20:06:08] <JonathanThompson> I figured something like that, l_n :)[20:06:10] <dru345> other than the trouble of telling people it had changed[20:06:34] <JonathanThompson> (The person who has just changed their number again, well.... they do so because they've got people they owe big money to after them)[20:06:55] <l_n> and they think just changing their number will keep them from finding them?[20:07:02] <l_n> *rolls eyes*[20:07:12] <JonathanThompson> Cell numbers aren't posted in public listings... but...[20:07:16] <l_n> oh, btw... any ideas on the sudden missing library issue?[20:07:31] * JonathanThompson wasn't aware of the sudden missing library issue...[20:08:49] <vooshy> l_n: would love to help, but i dont use keystroke shortcuts[20:09:00] <dru345> speaking of being found. i recently got notice i'm in some class action settlement group related to a purchase made, as best as i can tell, in 2003. i've moved since. had no contact with the store since either and yet lawyers were able to locate me. :P[20:09:16] <JonathanThompson> ROFL[20:09:38] <JonathanThompson> And yet, that's probably a meaningless amount of money in the suit you'd stand to get, right?[20:09:58] <JonathanThompson> (If the lawyers don't vacuum all of it in the thing)[20:10:00] <mmadia> l_n : i'd check */add-ons/Tracker/ to see which files have *-T[20:10:05] <dru345> no money, just the meaningless part :P[20:10:10] <JonathanThompson> :p[20:10:39] <JonathanThompson> The warm fuzzy feeling that some lawyer is looking out for your interests without you even knowing about it, eh?[20:10:45] <mmadia> l_n : then objdump -x <file> | grep NEEDED[20:12:41] *** DocPheniX has joined #haiku[20:19:20] *** OmniMancer1 has quit IRC[20:20:15] *** Ingenu has joined #haiku[20:22:23] *** adriano-src_ has joined #haiku[20:23:04] <l_n> it's ThumbBrowse-T[20:23:20] *** adriano-src has quit IRC[20:23:30] <l_n> ugh. that's supposed to be Terminal, not ThumbBrowse[20:23:48] *** PasNox has quit IRC[20:24:00] <mmadia> you should be able to simply rename it to ThumbBrowse-B or something[20:24:14] <mmadia> ... but that won't help the library issue.[20:24:52] <l_n> i actually don't care about the library.. it's irritating to try a shortcut you use all the time and have it fail because another app added it's own[20:26:10] <l_n> mmadia: thanks for pointing me to the breakage. removing ThumbBrowse-T fixed it[20:26:48] <l_n> and now i can't remember why i needed a terminal open[20:27:30] <mmadia> l_n : then objdump -x <file> | grep NEEDED[20:27:41] <mmadia> uh, nm :)[20:33:28] *** Gmoliv has joined #haiku[20:33:44] *** sil2100 has quit IRC[20:33:51] *** Gmoliv has quit IRC[20:34:41] <vooshy> l_n: you wanted to type echo "l_n loves haiku"[20:34:44] *** Gmoliv has joined #haiku[20:35:31] *** Gmoliv has quit IRC[20:36:11] *** Gmoliv has joined #haiku[20:41:01] <l_n> vooshy: :)[20:42:06] *** Gmoliv has quit IRC[20:43:10] <vooshy> l_n; hows things?[20:43:55] *** adriano-src has joined #haiku[20:44:19] <l_n> good... trying to get beam configured for the gmail smtp server[20:44:25] *** adriano-src_ has quit IRC[20:44:28] <l_n> it wouldn't send the other day for some reason.[20:45:01] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[20:47:48] <vooshy> l_n: im assuming you tried the obvious like pinging it to make sure its there?[20:50:07] <l_n> nah. i just figured it was a problem with my settings and figured i'd check the gmail instructions at a later time (and now i'm checking the instructions)[20:52:24] *** ziomatto has joined #haiku[20:54:44] *** adriano-src has quit IRC[20:56:06] *** raichoo has joined #haiku[20:56:43] <l_n> i had the wrong port set[20:58:41] *** wry has joined #haiku[20:59:01] <vooshy> l_n: might be worth writing a little guide, im sure you wont be the first on haiku with a gmail account[21:00:35] *** Sir_Konrad has joined #haiku[21:00:53] *** adriano-src has joined #haiku[21:03:11] <CIA-49> zooey * r37407 /haiku/branches/developer/zooey/posix-locale/ (19 files in 2 dirs): Spread ICULocaleBackend over one file per class and avoid the use of static data in order to be able to eventually support ..._l() functions (which pass in a locale_t).[21:04:36] *** mbrumbelow has quit IRC[21:07:52] *** SexPistols1 has joined #haiku[21:08:03] <SexPistols1> hi fellows[21:08:07] <SexPistols1> what news?[21:08:11] *** dancxjo has joined #haiku[21:09:33] <SexPistols1> Somebody live here?[21:10:11] <mmadia> no. just us undead zombies. *munches on brains*[21:10:12] * l_n thinks mmadia set up a cot over there --> a while ago.[21:10:32] <l_n> SexPistols1: and news is at http://www.haiku-os.org :)[21:10:40] <l_n> </shameless_plug>[21:11:04] <SexPistols1> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tq7aIcYJEt8[21:11:04] <atmartens> tentative release date for alpha3?[21:11:14] <SexPistols1> awesome[21:11:21] <SexPistols1> haiku too far of this[21:12:05] <SexPistols1> under heavy load haiku have sound-glitches[21:12:25] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[21:12:33] <l_n> what's the date on that video?[21:12:48] * l_n is too lazy to start TubePositive or GreenTube[21:13:13] <SexPistols1> atmartens: 02.07.2010[21:13:40] <vooshy> l_n:TubePositive?[21:13:50] <SexPistols1> yes what is TubePositive? o_O[21:14:01] <SexPistols1> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIVCaAZB3Wo looks like a http://haikuware.com/directory/view-details/multimedia/audio/playback/jukebox-03[21:15:16] <l_n> youtube downloader[21:15:56] *** acous has quit IRC[21:16:12] <SexPistols1> looks like a shit[21:16:38] *** odites has quit IRC[21:16:40] <SexPistols1> actually, youtube use rtmp protocol[21:16:59] <SexPistols1> then someone make great app for watching youtube[21:17:05] *** Xbertl has joined #haiku[21:17:07] <SexPistols1> without downloading[21:17:14] <SexPistols1> and this will killer app[21:17:18] <atmartens> 02.07.2010 was 3 days ago?[21:17:24] <SexPistols1> yep[21:17:31] <atmartens> so that means soon?[21:17:31] <SexPistols1> there BeBOX and BeOS[21:18:10] *** Megaf has joined #haiku[21:20:22] *** dancxjo has quit IRC[21:29:37] <SexPistols1> where i can read about Haiku's elf format?[21:30:47] <l_n> http://www.haiku-os.org/community/forum/beamgmail_quick_guide <-- if anybody needs it, here's the settings for gmail using IMAP/SMTP[21:34:33] <l_n> SexPistols1: http://dev.haiku-os.org/browser/haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/elf.cpp[21:35:12] * vooshy awards l_n 2 helpful points :)[21:35:50] <SexPistols1> l_n: ty[21:37:12] * l_n goes back to staring at odamex src and not knowing why it can't read patches in textures that remood can[21:37:44] *** adriano-src_ has joined #haiku[21:38:37] *** adriano-src has quit IRC[21:40:18] <l_n> ugh. wxwidgets pulls in gtk as a dep[21:40:55] * l_n wonders how any linux box can appear sane when there are so many toolkits/widgets/<insert-application-type-here>[21:46:45] <l_n> hrm.. maybe not.. the idea behind wxwidgets is to use the native SDK as much as possible.. so it may work w/o gtk[21:48:18] <l_n> okay. my first assumption was correct.[21:55:36] <vooshy> l_n: is odamex not sdl?[21:58:29] <l_n> it is[21:58:35] <l_n> but odalaunch is wxwidgets[21:59:13] <vooshy> l_n: odalaunch does ?[21:59:16] <l_n> i'm trying an svn build of odamex to see if the texture problem goes away.[21:59:30] <l_n> it's a launcher that AFAIK, also lists servers to play on[22:00:56] *** Beyecixramd has quit IRC[22:01:17] <vooshy> l_n: think making a plea to the developer to stick with sdl would be easier :)[22:01:27] <l_n> probably[22:01:33] <l_n> i'm not going to port wxwidgets..[22:02:05] <l_n> adding toolkit + toolkit + <more_linux_crap> will destroy the coherency of haiku[22:02:09] <SexPistols1> l_n: what is odamex?[22:02:19] * l_n still wonders if porting qt was a good idea[22:02:27] <l_n> SexPistols1: doom source port with tcp/ip networking[22:02:39] <SexPistols1> l_n: http://doom.wikia.com/wiki/Odamex ?[22:03:29] *** johnny_b has quit IRC[22:04:27] <CIA-49> anevilyak * r37408 /haiku/trunk/src/bin/ (Jamfile badblocks.c badblocks.cpp):[22:04:27] <CIA-49> .c -> .cpp[22:04:27] <CIA-49> Fix various warnings in badblocks, and fix broken build due to missing includes.[22:04:38] <l_n> SexPistols1: yep.[22:05:35] <SexPistols1> doom3[22:05:36] <SexPistols1> wow[22:08:15] *** wry has quit IRC[22:13:23] <SexPistols1> l_n: better port Quake3 for Haiku, cos quake3 for beos don't works with gcc4 builds[22:15:33] *** Ziusudra has joined #haiku[22:17:17] *** Hubert_ has quit IRC[22:20:22] <l_n> erm.. doom 1 and 2, not[22:20:23] <l_n> 3[22:20:53] *** johnny_b has joined #haiku[22:21:58] *** ianj|C has quit IRC[22:26:43] *** margiolas has quit IRC[22:27:53] *** Al2O3 has quit IRC[22:27:55] *** Al2O3_ has joined #haiku[22:36:25] *** tqh has quit IRC[22:39:59] *** Haikuni has joined #haiku[22:43:08] *** 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This would make the usb stack in Haiku crash.[22:49:49] <CIA-49> Will need a different fix to get device to work, but at least Haiku won't crash on bootup with this change.[22:50:05] *** tqh has joined #haiku[22:50:37] <Haikuni> hi luroh[22:53:58] *** tqh has quit IRC[23:01:46] *** Al2O3_ has quit IRC[23:03:50] *** Haikuni has left #haiku[23:06:18] *** The123king has quit IRC[23:07:24] *** CK|Android has quit IRC[23:09:57] *** genki has quit IRC[23:09:58] *** CyberKitsune has joined #haiku[23:10:41] *** Sir_Konrad has quit IRC[23:14:15] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[23:17:49] *** marc_smith has quit IRC[23:17:51] *** Sir_Konrad has joined #haiku[23:18:18] *** korli has joined #haiku[23:18:18] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o korli[23:23:06] *** SexPistols1 has quit IRC[23:23:40] *** Beyecixramd has quit IRC[23:25:50] *** dru345 is now known as away345[23:28:50] *** cpr420 has joined #haiku[23:28:53] *** adriano-src_ has quit IRC[23:29:13] *** adriano-src has joined #haiku[23:29:18] *** ziomatto has quit IRC[23:46:53] *** MrSunshine__ has joined #haiku[23:49:07] *** MrSunshine_ has quit IRC[23:50:37] *** acous has joined #haiku[23:55:00] *** Beyecixramd has joined #haiku[23:56:27] *** vooshy has quit IRC[23:58:42] *** raichoo has quit IRC[23:59:39] <Duggan> hi all[23:59:58] *** korli has quit IRC