July 4, 2010 
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July 4, 2010 [00:06:13] *** acous has quit IRC[00:11:34] *** Mixer has quit IRC[00:12:06] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[00:14:24] *** surrounder has joined #haiku[00:20:06] *** Mixer has quit IRC[00:20:24] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[00:20:31] <CIA-49> augiedoggie * r894 /haikuports/trunk/dev-util/global/ (global-5.9.bep patches/global-5.9.patch): Update global to 5.9[00:24:31] *** Qeos has quit IRC[00:24:56] *** PasNox has quit IRC[00:26:24] *** Mixer has quit IRC[00:28:39] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[00:32:50] *** Sir_Konrad has quit IRC[00:37:27] *** Qeos has joined #haiku[00:42:42] *** Mixer has quit IRC[00:43:06] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[00:46:52] *** cpr420 has left #haiku[00:47:27] <Duggan> how do I make it such that a program reopens using the default settings instead of what I may have changed it to (resized etc)[00:53:13] *** Mixer has quit IRC[00:54:57] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[01:07:00] *** Sir_Konrad has joined #haiku[01:14:12] <korli> Duggan: deleting the user settings ?[01:19:00] *** Mixer has quit IRC[01:19:30] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[01:28:19] *** Beyecixramd has quit IRC[01:30:48] *** Megaf has quit IRC[01:33:29] *** Mixer has quit IRC[01:34:11] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[01:34:27] *** raichoo has quit IRC[01:40:11] *** Mixer has quit IRC[01:40:44] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[01:42:18] <CIA-49> korli * r37382 /buildtools/trunk/gcc/Makefile.in: * gmp-impl.h and longlong.h headers are needed at each stage of the mpfr build.[01:42:56] *** korli has quit IRC[01:54:29] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[01:58:53] *** Mixer has quit IRC[02:00:31] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[02:04:59] *** sprma_ has joined #haiku[02:07:28] *** sprma has quit IRC[02:07:28] *** sprma_ is now known as sprma[02:10:31] *** Mixer has quit IRC[02:13:44] *** acous has joined #haiku[02:16:03] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[02:19:49] *** ithamar has joined #haiku[02:19:49] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o ithamar[02:20:31] <ithamar> ?[02:20:38] <PovAddict> hi[02:21:21] <ithamar> hello[02:21:58] <ithamar> I seem to have trouble building (GCC2) on Ubuntu 10.04 (64-bit)[02:22:26] <ithamar> weird makeinfo errors....[02:23:35] *** OlaHughson has quit IRC[02:23:59] <PovAddict> gcc2? wow :P[02:26:07] *** Mixer has quit IRC[02:26:26] * JonathanThompson wonders if PovAddict's nickname refers to POVRay[02:26:34] <PovAddict> it does[02:26:39] <JonathanThompson> AHA![02:26:41] <Duggan> hey PovAddict, JonathanThompson[02:26:47] * JonathanThompson points finger, cries out, "GEEK!"[02:26:48] <JonathanThompson> :P[02:26:48] <PovAddict> but also refers to my lack of creativity choosing names[02:26:58] <JonathanThompson> Hi Duggan.[02:27:46] <JonathanThompson> Now that I've finally picked up an iPad, I clearly need to set things up such that it can charge...[02:28:00] <JonathanThompson> Since it seems the power it needs is more than my older iMac will provide via USB.[02:28:01] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[02:30:14] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[02:36:13] *** ithamar has quit IRC[02:46:03] *** acous has quit IRC[02:46:32] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[02:52:08] *** Mixer has quit IRC[02:52:33] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[03:06:34] *** megaf has joined #haiku[03:09:53] <CyberKitsune> So question[03:09:56] <CyberKitsune> WPA support[03:10:25] <CyberKitsune> I heard it was already in the stack but just needed wpa_subclient to do it right or something[03:11:48] <OmniMancer> wpa supplicant compiles[03:12:35] <CyberKitsune> So it's just a matter as adapting setwep to work with wpa too?[03:12:36] <OmniMancer> but doesn't work properly due to a kernel bug somewhere[03:12:40] <CyberKitsune> ah[03:12:53] <OmniMancer> no you would use wpa-supplicant[03:13:26] <CyberKitsune> mkay[03:13:43] <CyberKitsune> Is there a ticket on the trac for it?[03:13:56] <OmniMancer> shrug[03:14:11] <OmniMancer> DraX gave up since he didn't want to build a kernel with debug bits in it :P[03:14:28] <CyberKitsune> I mean once WPA is working, I'd use Haiku on a somewhat regular basis[03:14:34] *** Mixer has quit IRC[03:14:52] * PovAddict gives CyberKitsune an Ethernet cable[03:15:04] <CyberKitsune> Sorry, Parents are aginst cords in the house[03:15:08] <CyberKitsune> it's Wifi or no go[03:15:36] * OmniMancer gives CyberKitsune an ethernet cable and a wormhole![03:15:37] *** Elliott_N810 has joined #haiku[03:15:44] <CyberKitsune> That I can do :D[03:16:19] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[03:16:25] <CyberKitsune> Maybe somebody should build DraX a debug kernal for him[03:16:51] <PovAddict> or DraG him into doing it[03:17:54] * CyberKitsune budumchip[03:19:19] <OmniMancer> badoom tish[03:22:19] *** Mixer has quit IRC[03:22:36] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[03:22:47] <DraX> right now it's because i have lots of work :P[03:23:44] <DraX> i'll get back to it one of these days, or someone else could go for it, i put the source up :P[03:24:46] *** gabrield has joined #haiku[03:24:58] <CIA-49> anevilyak * r527 /webkit/trunk/WebKit/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Fix building Web+ against updated locale kit (currently requires manually placing liblocalestub.a from Haiku's build tree)[03:28:31] *** Mixer has quit IRC[03:29:21] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[03:30:32] *** OmniMancer1 has joined #haiku[03:32:13] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[03:32:36] <CIA-49> anevilyak * r37383 /haiku/trunk/build/jam/OptionalPackages: Update Web+ to r527. Fixes locale kit compatibility (for now).[03:35:21] *** Mixer has quit IRC[03:35:38] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[03:41:28] *** strohi has quit IRC[03:42:56] *** gabrield has quit IRC[03:45:38] *** Mixer has quit IRC[03:45:53] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[03:52:46] *** ambroff has quit IRC[03:55:35] *** ari-free has joined #haiku[04:20:28] *** OmniMancer1 has quit IRC[04:21:41] *** dru345 has joined #haiku[04:22:13] *** dru345 is now known as away345[04:26:06] *** Mixer has quit IRC[04:26:43] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[04:41:38] *** LoganA has quit IRC[04:41:47] *** LoganA has joined #haiku[04:46:44] *** Mixer has quit IRC[04:48:17] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[04:49:08] *** aphedox has joined #haiku[04:51:28] *** Duggan has quit IRC[04:52:48] *** megaf has quit IRC[04:54:18] *** Mixer has quit IRC[04:54:21] *** Sir_Konrad has quit IRC[04:54:47] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[04:55:16] *** Duggan has joined #haiku[04:55:36] <CIA-49> czeidler * r37384 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/arch/x86/arch_int.cpp: Disable io apic for now. Fix irq argument for ioapic_configure_io_interrupt.[04:55:52] *** Duggan has quit IRC[04:56:02] *** megaf has joined #haiku[04:56:48] <CyberKitsune> So wait I read some 64-bit things in Haiku are being worked on[04:57:16] *** Duggan has joined #haiku[04:57:27] <CIA-49> czeidler * r37385 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/arch/x86/irq_routing_table.cpp: Fix reading of the irq routing table.[05:00:47] *** Mixer has quit IRC[05:01:27] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[05:06:14] *** away345 is now known as dru345[05:06:36] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[05:08:00] *** megaf has quit IRC[05:09:21] <dru345> o/ OmniMancer[05:09:47] <OmniMancer> hi[05:11:27] *** Mixer has quit IRC[05:11:36] <Duggan> hey guys[05:11:42] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[05:12:17] <dru345> hi Duggan[05:15:18] <Duggan> still no word on the patch :/[05:17:43] *** Mixer has quit IRC[05:20:00] *** ari-free has quit IRC[05:21:28] <CIA-49> scottmc * r895 /haikuports/trunk/sys-devel/autoconf/autoconf-2.66.bep: Updated autoconf to 2.66.[05:21:40] <dru345> what patch Duggan?[05:23:11] *** kurain__ has joined #haiku[05:31:41] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[05:34:03] <l_n> hey, do any of you have icaros 1.2.2 on a dvd/installed?[05:34:57] *** Nozy has joined #haiku[05:37:30] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[05:38:32] * Disreali has returned[05:41:41] <OmniMancer> does anyone know of a bootloader that will work on a USB stick that takes up only the MBR will load the active partition and can be installed from windows?[05:43:07] <mmadia> isn't there a fdisk /b switch or so to do that?[05:46:56] * OmniMancer points sternly at the windows part of the question.[05:48:17] <mmadia> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/69013[05:50:27] <CyberKitsune> '[05:50:27] <CyberKitsune> '[05:50:29] <CyberKitsune> '[05:50:34] <CyberKitsune> ugh[05:50:41] * l_n wants an icaros usb image, but he can't get 1.2.2 to boot from dvd on his desktop[05:50:46] <CyberKitsune> My Enter key popped off my laptop's keyboard today[05:50:56] <CyberKitsune> and when I popped it back on it doesn't press as well[05:51:06] <CyberKitsune> it clicks and I have to hit it harder[05:51:23] *** ari-free has joined #haiku[05:57:01] *** matthias9 has quit IRC[05:57:58] <OmniMancer> CyberKitsune: yes windows 95 help is useful :P[05:58:45] *** matthias9 has joined #haiku[06:01:12] <OmniMancer> any way from winxp?[06:09:17] *** Advant has quit IRC[06:10:27] <OmniMancer> is there anything I can put in the MBR from windows XP that will chainload the active partition?[06:12:07] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[06:12:18] * OmniMancer pokes.[06:13:08] <l_n> erm.. there's a way to enable the windows bootloader, but i forgot how.[06:13:32] <l_n> erm.. there's a way to enable the windows bootloader menu (and edit it), but i forgot how.[06:14:06] <OmniMancer> l_n: I need to get a bootloader into the MBR of the partition map of the USB drive I installed haiku on...[06:15:18] <OmniMancer> I do not have anything besides windows XP and cannot do repartitioning since nothing can edit the BFS partitions[06:16:21] * OmniMancer sighs[06:17:05] <mmadia> http://www.haiku-os.org/node/2398#manually[06:18:01] <mmadia> http://www.haiku-os.org/node/2558[06:18:08] *** Mixer has quit IRC[06:18:22] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[06:20:59] <OmniMancer> I installed it to the drive with the installer so I believe it should have run makebootable[06:21:18] <OmniMancer> its more that the partition map doesn't have the chainloader and so cannot chainload into the partition :/[06:23:26] <OmniMancer> I think[06:23:44] <OmniMancer> or the one that is there from DriveSetup won't work for USB[06:24:08] <Ziusudra> or it's in the PRB and not the MBR[06:24:22] <Ziusudra> s/PRB/PBR[06:24:43] <OmniMancer> I made the partition map as well as both BFS partitions with DriveSetup...[06:26:24] *** Mixer has quit IRC[06:26:42] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[06:26:46] *** Geoz has quit IRC[06:29:09] * OmniMancer is very annoyed[06:29:43] <l_n> it works better for usb if you just use the raw device instead of partitions (at least in my experience..)[06:29:48] *** [Katisu]_m has joined #haiku[06:30:02] *** IIsi50MHz has joined #haiku[06:30:54] <l_n> it looks like nobody has put an icaros usb image up for download anywhere that google can find it.[06:31:50] *** [Katisu] has quit IRC[06:31:50] *** [Katisu]_m is now known as [Katisu][06:33:30] <OmniMancer> yes[06:33:39] <OmniMancer> but I wanted a non indexed patition :/[06:33:49] <OmniMancer> and an install partition[06:36:49] *** Mixer has quit IRC[06:37:17] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[06:37:38] <Ziusudra> l_n: don't know if this would help http://aros-exec.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=42822#forumpost42822[06:39:22] <Ziusudra> OmniMancer: my understanding is that when Installer runs makebootable it writes to the PBR, so after installing you would have to run makebootable manually and point it to the MBR[06:41:11] *** lorglas has joined #haiku[06:41:55] <l_n> it would be nice if someone would just follow the instructions for installing from the 1.2.2 disc and then dd the fs from the usb stick to an img[06:41:56] <OmniMancer> makebootable sets partition offsets for the partition bootloader[06:42:36] <OmniMancer> DriveSetup usually writes the simple MBR code to the MBR when you make a partition map[06:45:32] *** IIsi50MHz has quit IRC[06:46:03] <Ziusudra> here's someone who installed grub4dos from windows http://www.911cd.net/forums//index.php?showtopic=21641[06:46:46] <OmniMancer> grub4dos won't work without me having a partition for its settings though[06:46:57] <OmniMancer> and as I said I can't change partitions now[06:47:33] *** Mixer has quit IRC[06:48:04] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[06:48:52] <l_n> http://unix.derkeiler.com/Newsgroups/comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc/2007-04/msg00147.html[06:48:59] <l_n> OmniMancer: ^^[06:49:12] <l_n> use the fbsd bootloader.. it will chainload[06:49:14] <l_n> :)[06:49:19] <OmniMancer> :)[06:50:16] <OmniMancer> hmm[06:50:18] <l_n> even though i've moved away from unix, i still have a soft spot for fbsd[06:50:24] <OmniMancer> it fits in MBR?[06:51:01] <l_n> yeah.. it's boot0, which passes control to the bootloader on whichever disk you choose[06:51:16] <OmniMancer> :)[06:51:29] *** wry has joined #haiku[06:52:03] <l_n> they were smart when they separated the actual boot code from the bit that picks a boot device[06:53:02] <OmniMancer> :)[06:53:13] <OmniMancer> probably the only bootloader in existence which does it[06:54:05] *** Mixer has quit IRC[06:54:22] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[06:54:44] <l_n> again, i still love freebsd. (i haven't played with net or open bsd yet, though..)[07:00:23] *** Mixer has quit IRC[07:00:54] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[07:01:15] *** CyberKitsune has quit IRC[07:02:31] *** tqh has joined #haiku[07:04:14] *** wry has quit IRC[07:06:01] <OmniMancer> hmmm[07:08:19] *** wry has joined #haiku[07:10:11] *** l_n has quit IRC[07:11:02] *** Mixer has quit IRC[07:11:22] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[07:12:14] *** Disreali has quit IRC[07:17:22] *** Mixer has quit IRC[07:17:36] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[07:26:46] *** Advant has joined #haiku[07:30:05] <CIA-49> humdinger * r37386 /haiku/trunk/data/boot_cd/README.html: Applied patch by Karvjorm to make the HTML xhtml strict compliant. Fixes #6197. Thanks![07:36:36] <kurain__> hello CIA-49[07:37:30] * mmadia pets CIA-49[07:37:39] * mmadia hugs CIA-49[07:37:40] * CIA-49 hugs mmadia[07:38:06] <mmadia> it's a bot, kurain__ :)[07:38:13] <kurain__> a bot?[07:38:24] <kurain__> what does that mean[07:38:34] <PovAddict> kurain__: it's not a human behind a computer[07:38:38] <PovAddict> hugs CIA-49[07:38:40] * PovAddict hugs CIA-49[07:38:40] * CIA-49 hugs PovAddict[07:38:41] * PovAddict hugs CIA-49[07:38:42] * CIA-49 hugs PovAddict[07:38:43] * PovAddict hugs CIA-49[07:38:43] * CIA-49 hugs PovAddict[07:38:44] <mmadia> a computer program to speak into the channel[07:38:46] <mmadia> http://cia.vc/stats/project/OpenBeOS[07:39:00] <kurain__> oh, like a robert[07:39:19] <kurain__> hugs CIA-49[07:39:57] <kurain__> nothing responds[07:40:23] <PovAddict> use "/me hugs CIA-49"[07:40:30] * Duggan hugs CIA-49[07:40:30] * CIA-49 hugs Duggan[07:42:22] <kurain__> it is like turing test, a copputerprogram[07:42:33] <kurain__> right?[07:42:46] <kurain__> me hugs CIA-49[07:43:01] * kurain__ hugs CIA-49[07:43:01] * CIA-49 hugs kurain__[07:43:15] <kurain__> LOL[07:43:24] <OmniMancer> CIA-49 is the bot that reports the commit messages[07:43:32] <OmniMancer> I have to go for a bit, brb[07:43:42] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[07:43:53] *** Mixer has quit IRC[07:43:55] <kurain__> it sound great,[07:45:26] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[07:55:13] *** CK|Android has joined #haiku[08:06:03] *** symptom has joined #haiku[08:06:50] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[08:10:45] *** mmadia has quit IRC[08:11:09] *** Mixer has quit IRC[08:11:57] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[08:20:57] *** kmargar has joined #haiku[08:24:54] *** markos_ has quit IRC[08:25:59] *** Mixer has quit IRC[08:26:42] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[08:32:30] *** Duggan2 has joined #haiku[08:32:32] *** Duggan has quit IRC[08:32:52] *** Duggan2 is now known as Duggan[08:33:32] <Duggan> is the dev site down?[08:35:55] <kurain__> yes, i am translating, it broke down[08:36:57] <Duggan> ok, thanks[08:37:34] <kurain__> are you looking for some tickets there or you are translating too?[08:38:43] *** Mixer has quit IRC[08:39:02] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[08:41:31] <Duggan> tickets[08:41:32] *** Ziusudra has quit IRC[08:43:16] *** lorglas has quit IRC[08:47:03] *** Mixer has quit IRC[08:47:32] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[08:55:34] *** marc_smith has joined #haiku[08:56:07] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[09:00:35] <Duggan> trac is back! yay![09:01:09] <kurain__> ok, continue working[09:01:32] *** Mixer has quit IRC[09:02:07] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[09:04:55] *** MasterStarman has joined #haiku[09:06:21] <Xeon3D> 'morning[09:06:38] <kurain__> hello xeon3d[09:09:12] <Xeon3D> hi kurain[09:10:08] *** Mixer has quit IRC[09:10:22] <CK|Android> happy 4th all of you americans[09:11:13] <kurain__> it is the 4th here in china, too[09:11:44] <kurain__> is there still the 3th, ck|android[09:13:27] *** symptom has quit IRC[09:14:52] *** The123king has joined #haiku[09:15:16] <Duggan> CK|Android danke, and likewise[09:15:20] <marc_smith> hello all[09:15:33] <Duggan> hey marc_smith[09:15:51] <Duggan> hey The123king[09:16:04] <Duggan> hey Xeon3D[09:16:07] <Duggan> hey CK|Android[09:16:08] <Duggan> hey kurain__[09:16:12] <Duggan> did I miss anybody?[09:16:15] <CK|Android> we really just need a greating bot[09:16:38] <Duggan> not a bad idea lol[09:18:30] *** kr1stof has joined #haiku[09:19:25] <dru345> hi Duggan[09:20:18] <dru345> kurain__ CK said 'happy 4th' to americans because it's our Independence Day[09:20:25] <dru345> hi Xeon3D \o/[09:20:29] <kurain__> yes, it is necessary, but if it is there , what about dru345? he will be replaced[09:20:31] <marc_smith> I was like always ignoring the nuances of greetings and stuff, I rarely say 'bye', 'hello'[09:20:36] <Duggan> hey dru345[09:20:54] * dru345 would be made redundant :p[09:20:58] <Duggan> lol[09:21:24] <kurain__> oh yeah? my lackness, I don't know that today is your independence day[09:21:44] <dru345> :D[09:27:23] <Duggan> what a pain...[09:28:06] <Duggan> trying to debug the vanishing vertical scroll bar in drivesetup (even though I still haven't heard about my last patch)[09:29:59] *** CK|Android has quit IRC[09:38:25] <The123king> ohai[09:38:53] <Duggan> hai[09:39:19] *** Trezker has quit IRC[09:41:08] <kurain__> in haiku-jp channel , there is a CIA-82[09:41:40] <Duggan> I think theres a CIA-## in every channel on freenode[09:41:48] <kurain__> it is also a bot[09:42:44] <kurain__> but CIA-82in haiku-jp, and CIA-49in haiku show the same thing[09:48:37] <Duggan> if haiku wasn't free but I fixed drivesetup anyway, would I get a diskCount?[09:50:31] <dru345> lol[09:52:12] <Duggan> I was expecting a /facepalm but a lol works too[09:52:13] <Duggan> hehe[10:04:06] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[10:10:00] *** veve-mao has joined #haiku[10:23:36] <dru345> *crickets*[10:26:38] <Duggan> yep[10:28:35] <dru345> i'm looking at a hash function used in tracker. the call has a comment saying "The following code is wrong" >.>[10:29:35] * dru345 wonders . o O ( if it's wrong--and how?--why was it used? )[10:32:27] *** Mixer has quit IRC[10:32:57] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[10:36:29] <wry> to show what failed?[10:36:41] <Duggan> lol dru345[10:38:44] *** kr1stof has quit IRC[10:42:03] <dru345> the same hash is used in 7 of tracker's source files for all manner of things. :([10:43:16] <kurain__> I have just read a web page, it says in america, you can have a gun which is your right[10:43:23] <dru345> yes?[10:43:29] <Duggan> yep[10:43:30] <dru345> this is true.[10:43:46] <kurain__> do you have one?LOL[10:43:48] <dru345> i don't know if it's bad in only one call case or all of them. for now i'll assume just the one.[10:43:49] <Duggan> yep[10:43:55] <dru345> I don't.[10:43:58] <Duggan> I do[10:44:16] <kurain__> haha, then you can defend yourself[10:44:17] <dru345> I think of getting one now and again. :)[10:44:22] <Duggan> yep[10:44:36] <Duggan> I want more[10:44:37] <Duggan> lol[10:44:37] <kurain__> in china, it is limited,[10:45:23] <Duggan> its limited to some degree here but not as bad as most other countries[10:45:33] <Duggan> although it is TOO limited here[10:45:46] <dru345> they don't want revolt in the PRC. 1 billion gun owning Chinese would be a threat to power.[10:45:55] <johnny_b> :)[10:45:56] <Duggan> lol[10:46:27] <kurain__> in china it is not allowed, common people can't hold a gun[10:46:57] <Duggan> you can here as long as you don't have a criminal record[10:47:07] *** Mixer has quit IRC[10:47:10] <Duggan> when you buy one they do a background check to make sure there are no warrants out for your arrest, etc[10:47:35] <kurain__> I don't have criminal record[10:47:36] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[10:47:38] <Duggan> but other than that, pay the money and get the gun[10:48:42] <dru345> what is Duggan's firearm of choice?[10:48:47] <Duggan> we have what are called "gun shows" where theres a big building like a community center or something and alot of vendors come and they sell guns and ammunition and modifications and other equipment and stuff, its alot of fun and very informative[10:49:11] <Duggan> which one do I want or which one do I own? lol[10:49:18] <kurain__> I know that in china, every government that passed was afriad that its people have weapons[10:49:32] <Duggan> kurain__ thats exactly why we have them[10:50:08] <Duggan> when this country was formed the men that created it wanted the government to be afraid of the people... because the government works for the people, the people don't work for the government[10:50:11] <dru345> both Duggan. we can take it to PM since haiku doesn't run (yet) on firearms :)[10:50:31] <Duggan> if you want lol[10:50:50] <kurain__> maybe you can make haiku a weapon[10:50:53] <dru345> sure. i won't have to look at this hash then.[10:50:56] <Xeon3D> why not create a #haiku-offtopic channel?[10:51:08] <Duggan> since when was anything in here on topic anyway?[10:51:41] <kurain__> haha ,it is always on that way.[10:52:31] <Xeon3D> true, I've seen a lot of #official chat about <soft> channel; #official <soft> dev chat ; #official <soft> help chat and #unofficial offtopic <soft> chat channels[10:53:13] <kurain__> in #haiku, it is mixed[10:53:37] *** Mixer has quit IRC[10:53:56] <Duggan> theres no sense in enforcing on-topic chat if most of the time its off-topic anyway... talking off-topic isn't preventing from someone discussing something on-topic[10:54:06] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[10:54:26] <Duggan> unless they're doing it at the same time, but the chatter usually dies when somebody starts talking business[10:55:20] <kurain__> sometimes off-topic can help on-topic, because not that much on-topic there, we can't always keep silent here .[10:55:32] <Duggan> true that[11:00:07] *** Mixer has quit IRC[11:01:46] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[11:01:55] *** lorglas has joined #haiku[11:04:50] *** Ingenu has joined #haiku[11:07:47] *** Mixer has quit IRC[11:08:04] *** Mixer has joined 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one[12:11:26] *** Xbertl has joined #haiku[12:11:28] *** Mixer has quit IRC[12:11:36] *** urnenfeld has joined #haiku[12:14:27] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[12:14:47] *** Hubert_ has joined #haiku[12:17:33] <korli> Duggan: what does the patch is supposed to fix ? autoresizing ?[12:22:35] <Duggan> #3036 not autoresizing, the issue with the horizontal scrollbar being available when you first start the program[12:23:07] <Duggan> as you can see with the previous patch attempts, people thought they could just resize something to fix it, but the problem was far deeper than that[12:23:24] <Duggan> ColumnListView was returning too wide an area, so the scrollbar was off[12:24:18] <Duggan> I'm just not certain if my patch breaks anything or not[12:24:43] <Duggan> I don't know what a "right margin" would be for in a listview and since that seemed to be the offending section, I removed it[12:25:33] <Duggan> with that change, the view is correctly sized and the scrollbar is unavailable when the application starts (with default settings)[12:25:53] <Duggan> the effect can be viewed in other applications that use a columnlistview...[12:25:56] *** AlexFera has joined #haiku[12:26:32] <Duggan> such as Devices under the detailed tab[12:26:45] *** AlexFera has joined #haiku[12:27:09] <Duggan> if you take the rightmost side of the rightmost column and resize it near the edge of the viewable area, you'll notice the scrollbar becomes available when it is not supposed to[12:27:16] *** AlexFera has quit IRC[12:27:21] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[12:27:50] <Duggan> does that make sense?[12:28:46] *** Mixer has quit IRC[12:28:48] *** AlexFera has joined #haiku[12:29:17] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[12:30:23] *** sprma has quit IRC[12:35:17] *** Mixer has quit IRC[12:35:32] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[12:38:09] *** Ola has joined #haiku[12:38:34] *** Ola is now known as Guest83334[12:38:35] <korli> Duggan: dunno, kRightMargin is not used anywhere else it seems[12:38:59] *** Guest83334 is now known as OlaHughson[12:43:32] *** Mixer has quit IRC[12:45:05] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[12:46:32] <Duggan> thats good to hear, didn't think to actually check... assumed I'd be inundated with references to it everywhere hehe[12:47:01] <dru345> it's good to check Duggan[12:48:20] <korli> looking back in history, anevilyak had already removed some space with the vertical scrollbar[12:48:58] <Duggan> I'm trying to fix an issue with that now, #3897[12:51:05] *** Mixer has quit IRC[12:51:22] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[13:05:38] *** urnenfeld has quit IRC[13:07:58] *** cherrypie has quit IRC[13:08:07] *** kurain__ has quit IRC[13:08:23] <CIA-49> korli * r37387 /haiku/trunk/headers/posix/arch/ (ppc/fenv.h x86_64/fenv.h): Fixes uses of __uint16_t and __uint32_t which we don't define, also fixes the ppc buildtools build.[13:11:22] *** Mixer has quit IRC[13:13:28] *** tqh has quit IRC[13:27:49] *** adriano-src has joined #haiku[13:33:59] *** kr1stof has joined #haiku[13:36:23] *** kurain__ 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x86/fenv.h x86_64/fenv.h): * followed Ingo's suggestion and used uint*_t types instead of public Haiku types.[14:34:32] *** x-pilot has quit IRC[14:36:39] <CIA-49> korli * r37389 /haiku/trunk/headers/posix/arch/x86_64/fenv.h: forgot an uint16 type for x86_64[14:38:16] *** killermouse0 has quit IRC[14:45:14] *** killermouse0 has joined #haiku[14:46:11] *** wry has quit IRC[14:46:16] *** OmniMancer1 has joined #haiku[14:46:33] *** adriano-src has quit IRC[14:47:16] *** killermouse0 has quit IRC[14:48:00] *** x-pilot has joined #haiku[14:48:49] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[14:50:14] *** killermouse0 has joined #haiku[14:51:27] *** raichoo has quit IRC[14:54:21] *** x-pilot has quit IRC[14:55:00] *** veve-mao has joined #haiku[14:55:36] *** korli has quit IRC[14:55:56] *** veve-mao has quit IRC[15:07:51] *** VinDuv has joined #haiku[15:07:54] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[15:09:24] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[15:09:35] <kurain> hello humdinger[15:10:05] <humdinger> hi kurain[15:11:03] *** x-pilot has joined #haiku[15:11:56] <humdinger> kurain: I see you're very busy with the user guide translation.[15:12:14] <humdinger> I hope the chaotic server migration hasn't hold you up too much.[15:12:48] <kurain> yes, actually we have been on holiday, but i don't want to come back home so early,[15:13:03] <kurain> I want to try to do more translation[15:13:27] <humdinger> busy, busy, busy :)[15:13:50] <kurain> so these days , I do it very often[15:13:54] *** Mixer has quit IRC[15:14:44] <kurain> I have another question that I want to make the user translation come with HTA[15:15:40] <kurain> if so, it will be more better to explain more clear about the user guide[15:15:40] <humdinger> you mean work together on HTA-localization and user guide translation?[15:15:41] *** raichoo has joined #haiku[15:15:45] <kurain> yes[15:16:43] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[15:17:25] <humdinger> We'll have to wait for Travis' rewrite of the HTA, but seeing as both tools are written by different people and localization and translation havin different goals, I'm not sure we'll have a tight cooperation here.[15:17:39] <humdinger> I guess it'll all have to be discussed on the i18n mailing lists.[15:17:41] <kurain> if not, in chinese translations, there are still many that couldn't translated[15:19:07] <kurain> especially for the "Attribute", "Workplace" that use in haiku os[15:19:35] *** |Qeos| has joined #haiku[15:20:04] <humdinger> ahh, you mean you want to use the localized strigns when translating the user guide,[15:20:11] <humdinger> so there's no English Chinese mix.[15:20:14] <kurain> yes[15:20:32] <humdinger> You can do that right now, if you want to.[15:21:24] <humdinger> The reason we at the German translation haven't done that, is that back then there was no localization in Haiku and we didn't know if the localekit was ready in time.[15:21:30] <kurain> but I don't want to make differences between the translations and the screenshort used in user guide[15:22:01] <humdinger> Screenshots can be "localized" as well.[15:22:05] <kurain> yes[15:22:14] <kurain> so that is the point[15:22:30] <humdinger> It can be done right now.[15:22:43] *** Mixer has quit IRC[15:22:45] <humdinger> Do you see "Resources" in the site's Administration page?[15:22:48] *** Qeos has quit IRC[15:22:55] <humdinger> If you see "Administration" at all...[15:22:58] <kurain> yes[15:23:04] <kurain> I saw that[15:23:33] <humdinger> You see "Resources" there?[15:23:48] <humdinger> Here are all used images.[15:23:53] <kurain> no[15:24:01] <humdinger> oh. :)[15:24:05] *** margiolas has joined #haiku[15:24:12] <kurain> i didn't released "resources"[15:24:26] <humdinger> I'll ask Vincent if he can enable that for translator roles as well.[15:24:28] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[15:24:29] <humdinger> Or better:[15:24:37] <kurain> i make a wrong spell[15:24:37] *** margiolas has quit IRC[15:24:44] <humdinger> Click on an image and be able to upload a new version.[15:24:55] <kurain> yes?[15:24:59] <kurain> i will check[15:25:00] *** margiolas has joined #haiku[15:25:05] <humdinger> That should have worked on the old site already...[15:25:55] <kurain> i am downloading the resource of haiku using svn[15:26:06] <humdinger> no no.[15:26:12] <humdinger> I meant on the translation site.[15:26:26] <kurain> well[15:26:53] <humdinger> I just see, this already works.[15:27:02] <humdinger> Go to some page, like CodyCam.[15:27:06] <humdinger> Click on the image.[15:27:18] <humdinger> Now you can upload a "localized" version.[15:27:58] <kurain> i just saw a special thing, in trac of haiku, there is a chinese ui[15:28:29] <humdinger> Yeah, niels said he updated Trac and now it's language aware.[15:28:33] <kurain> the vision of trac used by haiku has been updated?[15:28:38] <kurain> good[15:28:58] <kurain> it just scared me[15:30:13] *** Hubert_ has quit IRC[15:30:25] <CIA-49> anevilyak * r37390 /haiku/trunk/build/jam/HaikuImage: Publish liblocalestub.a in /system/lib and /boot/develop/lib/x86.[15:30:28] *** Mixer has quit IRC[15:30:54] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[15:31:31] <humdinger> So... you got that, kurain? Localized screenshots in the user guide are possible already.[15:31:43] <humdinger> So you can go ahead and do an "all-Chinese" guide.[15:32:35] <kurain> i haven't got that[15:33:30] <humdinger> just click on an image when translating and you can upload your version of an image[15:34:22] <CIA-49> dlmcpaul * r37391 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/media/plugins/mp3_reader/MP3ReaderPlugin.cpp: Same fix needed as mp3_decoder see r37362 and bug #6251[15:35:13] <kurain> yes, i got that[15:35:43] <kurain> but i didn't have the chinese localized screenshorts[15:36:27] <kurain> if no localized haiku os, no screenshorts localized[15:36:36] <humdinger> Those you have to take yourself :) So the apps have to be completely localized, of course.[15:36:41] <humdinger> yeah. :)[15:37:07] <kurain> although it is better now,[15:37:59] <humdinger> yes. more and more of the system is ready to be localized. Now we just need the HTA tool back. :)[15:38:43] <kurain> I have looked at the japanese translations , there were more lost for them when the server changed[15:39:14] <kurain> yes, we should wait[15:39:45] *** iway has joined #haiku[15:40:04] <humdinger> It's a shame. Everything after the 2nd of June was gone. If I knew one day before the went offline... but I got surprised as well...[15:41:10] *** Mixer has quit IRC[15:41:45] <kurain> right,[15:42:49] <kurain> well, the 2th translation is less hard and much quicker than the first time[15:42:58] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[15:43:08] <humdinger> :)[15:44:08] <humdinger> I have to go out now for a bit...[15:44:15] <humdinger> cu maybe later...[15:44:33] <OmniMancer1> 2nd[15:44:33] <kurain> many chinese friends want to try haiku once the chinese localization is finished[15:44:39] <kurain> ok[15:44:45] <humdinger> cool[15:44:46] <humdinger> cu[15:44:47] *** humdinger has quit IRC[15:44:57] <OmniMancer1> first second third then the ths[15:45:00] *** cherrypie has joined #haiku[15:45:02] <kurain> thank you omnimancer[15:45:38] <kurain> my english is not very well, I need your help[15:46:01] <OmniMancer1> so 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th ...[15:47:52] <kurain> because of "first"=1st, "second"=2nd, "third"=3rd, well "forth"=4th, and ....[15:48:35] <OmniMancer1> yea last two letters of the word :P[15:48:53] <kurain> ":p"?[15:48:58] *** Mixer has quit IRC[15:49:56] <kurain> what is the meaning of that[15:50:46] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[15:51:01] <OmniMancer1> its a face sticking its tongue out[15:51:18] <OmniMancer1> I use it a lot probably without reason[15:51:24] <stpere> :P[15:51:31] <kurain> haha, :p[15:51:59] <iway> hi@all[15:52:11] <OmniMancer1> hi[15:52:33] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[15:52:51] <kurain> hi iway[15:53:02] <dru345> hi mmadia[15:53:18] <kurain> hei mmadia[15:53:18] <mmadia> 'ello dru345, *[15:53:45] <kurain> CIA-49 say hello to you, mmadia[15:55:22] *** Hubert_ has joined #haiku[15:55:30] <iway> i have a little problem to isntall haiku on a logical partition... it is an empty partition and can't format it someone knows what to do?[15:56:46] *** Mixer has quit IRC[15:57:10] *** l_n has joined #haiku[15:57:11] *** l_n has joined #haiku[15:57:16] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[15:58:02] <iway> or what i maybe did wrong?[15:58:40] <OmniMancer1> why do you have more than 4 partitions?[15:58:46] *** tqh has quit IRC[15:59:16] <iway> OmniMancer1: i have archlinux installed[15:59:19] <kurain> maybe that is the point[16:00:02] <kurain> you can't installed haiku to a partion of a disk that has one active partion[16:00:22] <iway> kurain: oh ok thx[16:00:34] <OmniMancer1> hmmm?[16:00:44] <OmniMancer1> you have grub installed?[16:00:46] <kurain> but i know one way that could install on that partion[16:00:48] <iway> yes[16:00:58] <OmniMancer1> I think DriveSetup might not like extended partitions :/[16:01:20] <kurain> but it seems very strange[16:01:24] <mmadia> it does here, OmniMancer1.[16:01:45] <kurain> i will tell later, i will have to get some clean water to drink[16:02:28] <dru345> DriveSetup did for me as well on my P3.[16:02:31] <mmadia> ive 3logical + extendend (10partitions inside) -- and Haiku boots from the extended partitions.[16:02:59] <OmniMancer1> 10 extended partitions O.O[16:03:16] *** Mixer has quit IRC[16:03:17] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[16:03:35] <dru345> 10![16:03:58] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[16:06:44] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[16:07:32] * l_n looks at the freebsd memstick image and considers installing it.. and then remembers what a PITA X+{insert_window_manager_here} is to get set up in the way one likes it.[16:07:56] <OmniMancer1> someone should port app_server to freeBSD :P[16:09:27] <mmadia> and 5 of them are Haiku installations ;)[16:11:49] *** AlexFera has quit IRC[16:11:56] <OmniMancer1> :P[16:11:58] *** Mixer has quit IRC[16:12:13] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[16:17:56] *** acous has joined #haiku[16:22:34] <kurain> well iway[16:23:14] <kurain> i am back, water is so heavy, much tired now[16:23:53] *** Blub\0 has quit IRC[16:24:23] *** Blub\0 has joined #haiku[16:25:33] <kurain> first install freebsd (pc-bsd is ok), and it will check all the os that have been install, also the boot manager of freebsd will be installed on your computer[16:27:04] <kurain> then install haiku on the partion that freebsd been installed on, then reboot , you choose booting from freebsd, it will boot haiku[16:27:46] <kurain> that is the only I have install haiku as my second os on my notebook[16:28:16] *** Mixer has quit IRC[16:28:23] <kurain> "way" missed after "the only"[16:28:43] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[16:33:45] *** glaborg has joined #haiku[16:33:47] *** lorglas has quit IRC[16:34:51] *** megaf has joined #haiku[16:34:59] *** megaf is now known as Megaf[16:38:29] <glaborg> hi[16:38:56] <glaborg> I guess I'm not the first to ask this, but how do I get a decent screen resolution with haiku ?[16:39:03] <glaborg> (with a nvidia card)[16:39:26] <johnny_b> hi[16:39:32] <johnny_b> define decent :)[16:39:45] <mmadia> see http://www.haiku-os.org/about/faq#12[16:39:56] <glaborg> the screen's native one : 1366x768[16:40:11] <mmadia> i'm guessing you're using an nvidia 8000 or newer?[16:40:37] <glaborg> mmadia: yup[16:40:45] *** 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im terminal ls ein[18:40:33] <lorglas> name wird richtig angezeigt, aber bei ls -allQ bekommt man zahlen[18:40:33] *** LoganA has quit IRC[18:40:44] <lorglas> und Bachslahes[18:41:01] <lorglas> Backslashes[18:41:07] <humdinger> stimmt.[18:41:19][18:41:34] *** Mixer has quit IRC[18:42:00] <humdinger> was macht den -allQ ?[18:43:08][18:43:34] <humdinger> Würde sagen es ist Zeit für dein erstes Ticket :)[18:43:48] <humdinger> http://dev.haiku-os.org ist jetzt lokalisiert.[18:43:55] <humdinger> geht also auch auf Deutsch. :)[18:44:22] *** LoganA has joined #haiku[18:44:58] <lorglas> supi[18:45:38] <humdinger> Aber ist "ls" nicht Teil der bash shell?[18:45:56] <humdinger> wundert mich, dass das nicht von Haus aus geht.[18:46:10] <humdinger> Nachdem "ö" ja scheints nicht generell ein Problem darstellt.[18:46:13] <lorglas> tja, nicht alles ist perfekt[18:46:35] <humdinger> fast nichts, eigentlich :)[18:49:00] <The123king> Is it worth upgrading Web+ r515 to r527?[18:49:51] <humdinger> I think so. For example, you don't get errors when submitting a ticket in Trac.[18:50:02] <The123king> Ooooh, ok[18:50:11] <humdinger> Though, I think r527 needs a really currrent Haiku revision.[18:50:17] <humdinger> some localization thing.[18:50:30] <humdinger> If it's not very very new, get r526 instead.[18:50:31] <The123king> by really curret, how many weeks?[18:50:38] <humdinger> hehehe... days.[18:50:42] <mmadia> humdinger :doesn't r515 includes that fix?[18:50:49] <The123king> Ehhhh... i'll stick with r515[18:51:01] <humdinger> possible... :)[18:51:05] <humdinger> can't remember....[18:51:20] <humdinger> There are bound to be some nice fixes though.[18:51:24] <humdinger> oh[18:51:33] *** humdinger is now known as humdinger-afk[18:53:28] *** LoganA has quit IRC[18:56:29] <CIA-49> zooey * r37393 /haiku/branches/developer/zooey/posix-locale/src/system/libroot/posix/glibc/ (87 files in 5 dirs): * largish cleanup of glibc files (mostly with respect to locale-related stuff)[18:56:33] <lorglas> cu[18:56:37] *** lorglas has quit IRC[18:57:33] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[18:58:03] *** tqh has quit IRC[18:58:43] *** sprma has joined #haiku[19:01:53] *** Disreali has quit IRC[19:07:50] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[19:09:14] *** [Katisu]_m has joined #haiku[19:10:40] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[19:11:47] *** vooshy has joined #haiku[19:12:04] *** [Katisu] has quit IRC[19:12:04] *** [Katisu]_m is now known as [Katisu][19:12:28] *** LoganA has joined #haiku[19:12:53] *** humdinger-afk is now known as humdinger[19:16:41] *** Mixer has quit IRC[19:17:09] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[19:26:04] *** veve-mao has quit IRC[19:26:24] <luroh> humdinger: i think you may have mislead lorglas there...[19:26:40] <humdinger> I did?[19:27:03] <luroh> yeah, seeing as he deemed it fit to submit a ticket in german :)[19:27:26] <humdinger> oh. :)[19:27:50] <mmadia> Ja, auf Englische bitte :)[19:28:08] <luroh> the englisher the better![19:28:29] <humdinger> I think it's only fair if I leave a comment with his ticket... :)[19:31:09] *** Mixer has quit IRC[19:31:36] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[19:32:20] *** mmadia has quit IRC[19:40:04] *** humdinger has quit IRC[19:44:48] *** veve-mao has joined #haiku[19:45:43] *** Mixer has quit IRC[19:47:21] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[19:47:55] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[19:52:26] <luroh> ...which makes me wonder if there's any point in localizing our Trac[19:53:03] <luroh> i'd think that would just be misleading[19:59:00] <Disreali> has anyone successfully built r37379+ on previous revs of haiku? It needs a newer gcc4, yet it seems you can't get the new gcc without building the new rev[19:59:57] <luroh> Disreali: right, the gcc optional package hasn't been updated yet[20:03:28] *** Mixer has quit IRC[20:03:33] *** Macintech has joined #haiku[20:03:54] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[20:05:21] *** Macintech has quit IRC[20:06:41] *** MasterStarman has quit IRC[20:06:42] *** Macintech has joined #haiku[20:07:09] *** AlexFera has quit IRC[20:09:56] *** Mixer has quit IRC[20:10:27] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[20:12:45] *** AlexFera has joined #haiku[20:14:06] *** xray7224 has quit IRC[20:16:52] *** LoganA has quit IRC[20:17:57] <iway> kurain: thx, i will try it later![20:18:17] <iway> sry i'm taking so long to answer[20:18:27] <iway> cya guys[20:18:30] *** iway has quit IRC[20:22:30] *** Mixer has quit IRC[20:23:11] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[20:24:06] *** margiolas has quit IRC[20:27:51] *** PasNox has quit IRC[20:29:11] *** Mixer has quit IRC[20:29:50] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[20:31:39] *** ulrask has joined #haiku[20:31:52] <ulrask> Hello everyone[20:32:35] <gluon> hello ulrask[20:34:26] <ulrask> Altough I've never used BeOS, I'm intrigued by Haiku and it's low system requirement[20:35:08] <ulrask> I'm considering switching to it since my need are very few (web, some messengers, mail and that's about it) and I'd like to ask a few question I couldn't find the answer on the website first[20:36:11] <ulrask> Most important one : my system is a Asus EEE 900, will I be able to use wifi ?[20:36:23] <elliott1> atheros? should work great[20:36:54] <elliott1> i have it on an earlier Eee, a 700 2g Surf[20:37:12] <gluon> I have atheros 9280 and it works perfectly[20:37:54] *** Mixer has quit IRC[20:38:09] <ulrask> Nice. Also, is there a flash plugin advanced enough to play youtube like videos, and/or webm support ?[20:38:10] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[20:38:19] <elliott1> not really[20:38:52] <elliott1> gnash is a pain to get working and it is very limited[20:39:12] <ulrask> That's sad, I'm also a Amiga user, and while we don't have webm at least we have good flash support[20:39:50] <gluon> your best bet seems to use some youtube downloader and then watch the video[20:39:58] <ulrask> But I know how a pain flash is for non-windows OS anyway, can't wait for the web to get rid of that[20:40:02] <gluon> I'd also like to have a working flash plugin[20:40:11] <gluon> yeah[20:40:25] *** adriano-src has quit IRC[20:40:38] <ulrask> Haha exactly what we used to do on AmigaOS before we had a good flash plugin, at least I'd be familiar with the system ![20:41:14] <gluon> :)[20:41:34] <elliott1> how does amiga have flash exactly? gnash? some kind of wrapper?[20:43:03] <ulrask> I'm not really a technical user, we just have a flash.library to put in the /lib folder, I think it's based on a linux or BSD lib[20:44:10] *** Mixer has quit IRC[20:45:45] <ulrask> It appears to be largely based on swfdec, and they couldn't use gnash because it wasn't really usable on PowerPC[20:47:15] <elliott1> part of the problem is the best browser on haiku doesn't do plugins yet[20:47:33] <elliott1> you have to use an ancient firefox port to even get gnash to somewhat work[20:47:59] <ulrask> Oh and we also have an order library that was made from scratch and is even compatible with the old Commodore Amiga, but is considered deprecated[20:48:50] <ulrask> So no adblock on webpositive either ?[20:50:13] <elliott1> nope[20:50:59] <ulrask> Is there any other Haiku application that can block all DNS connection from a known list of ad servers ?[20:52:54] <elliott1> i think there is privoxy[20:53:32] <gluon> yap, I'll use privoxy for that[20:54:24] <gluon> well in fact I use it in a router for my whole home LAN[20:54:53] <gluon> but privoxy is available in haiku so you could use tht ulrask[20:56:01] <ulrask> Great I've never heard of it, installing that kind of software in a router seems like a sensible idea[20:56:09] <PovAddict> /etc/hosts :P[20:57:23] <ulrask> Also, does webpositive work well on websites such as gmail ?[20:57:50] <gluon> yup[20:57:53] <gluon> perfectly[20:58:24] <elliott1> i think it has a problem with sending on gmail, not sure if that has been corrected in the latest builds though[20:58:42] <gluon> hm, I was able to send mail[20:59:02] <elliott1> then it must be fixed[21:00:41] <gluon> hmm, I'm now trying it on R1 Alpha2 and it dosen't work[21:00:53] <gluon> probably I used some later build[21:01:32] <ulrask> And what about battery life ? Similar to linux ? Better ? Worst ?[21:02:13] <elliott1> there isn't as many power management options available as in linux, barely any to be honest[21:02:45] *** Trezker has joined #haiku[21:03:04] <elliott1> i'm not even sure the battery monitor is right on my Eee[21:03:51] <ulrask> I see, it's like ArOS that hasn't really been designed with nomad use in mind 'till recently[21:03:54] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[21:04:46] <elliott1> it has, it just isn't done[21:05:14] *** AlexFera has quit IRC[21:05:28] <luroh> ulrask: if you're lucky, your processor is supported by Haiku's speedstep driver[21:05:42] <elliott1> if he has a celeron, it isn't[21:05:48] <luroh> true[21:05:48] <ulrask> Hmm, any chance a Celeron 900 would be in the list ?[21:05:55] <elliott1> celeron doesn't have speedstep[21:06:23] <ulrask> No matter I liked what I heard here I'm definitly giving the system a try tonight[21:06:26] <elliott1> linux and windows modify the fsb to step it down[21:07:09] <luroh> ulrask: if nothing else, it's good fun just giving it a go[21:08:00] <ulrask> Well I plan to use it as my only OS actually, I know it's beta but I only use web and a few messengers basically and all my important data are stored online nowdays[21:08:22] <elliott1> not beta, alpha[21:08:38] <elliott1> beta is probably a few months away[21:08:46] <luroh> aye, sounds like you're well positioned for being an early adopter then[21:09:43] <ulrask> Still, my computer came with windows and a load of un-uninstallable crapware. I'm not sure Haiku could do worst even if it did try[21:09:54] *** Mixer has quit IRC[21:10:10] <ulrask> As of now it's barely usable, incredibly slow and a little bit crashy[21:10:15] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[21:10:54] <luroh> i find win7 decent but yeah, preloaded is always terrible[21:11:30] <PovAddict> can't you reformat it and install a *clean* Windows?[21:11:54] <ulrask> Mine was sold with XP and a load of preinstalled stuff from Asus + a non-computer literate user has been using it for over a year (bought used)[21:12:07] <elliott1> PovAddict: good luck doing that without a CD drive[21:12:08] <luroh> ouch :)[21:12:18] <PovAddict> D:[21:12:22] <ulrask> The systray take more than half the taskbar and there is so much "toolbar" in firefox you can barely see the screen[21:12:33] <luroh> haha[21:13:00] <elliott1> well, that doesn't take much on a 1024x600 screen[21:13:30] <ulrask> That's enough to make a 900Mhz celeron go very slow[21:13:38] <elliott1> i've seen someone do that with a 22" 1680x1050 screen[21:14:09] <elliott1> is the 900 really 900mhz or is it i like the 701 and underclocked to 630mhz?[21:14:15] <ulrask> Really 900[21:14:33] <elliott1> ahh, my 700 is 570mhz[21:14:44] <elliott1> says it is 800 though[21:15:23] <ulrask> I used to have a 701 it was a pain, sold with linux xandros, you had to recompile the kernel to "unlock" the CPU to 900Mhz (and you had to reboot each time you wanted to get back to 600mhz to save battery)[21:16:12] <elliott1> xandros lasted less than 48 hours on my 700 and 901[21:16:15] *** Mixer has quit IRC[21:16:23] <elliott1> not worth the trouble[21:16:45] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[21:16:53] <ulrask> I liked the system, at the time it was released it wasn't as obsolete as now[21:17:11] <luroh> ulrask: have you checked yet if your wireless chipset is supported in Haiku?[21:17:17] *** The_Ringmaster has joined #haiku[21:17:23] <ulrask> Yup that was my first question here actually, and it is[21:17:50] <luroh> ah, cool, wish i had an eee to play around with Haiku[21:18:15] <elliott1> which 900 do you have? one of the SSD models?[21:18:35] *** nielx has joined #haiku[21:18:36] <ulrask> Yup, I guess Haiku would shorter the SSD lifespan, but then again so does XP[21:19:17] <elliott1> not sure about that, it doesn't really seem to write all that much[21:20:28] <ulrask> Yeah I guess I would have less disk access than using windows, but I don't think haiku does trim, so each write will use up the SSD much more than necessary[21:20:43] <elliott1> your SSD doesn't support trim anyway[21:21:19] <luroh> neither does xp[21:22:18] <elliott1> you'd have to swap it for one of the newer RunCore SSDs or something to get trim in any OS[21:22:23] <ulrask> That's why I said "so does XP", and quite frankly I choose an alternative alpha OS over win7 on a celeron any day[21:22:41] *** Mixer has quit IRC[21:22:57] *** The_Ringmaster has quit IRC[21:23:13] <luroh> right, agree[21:23:31] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[21:24:28] <ulrask> I was also curious about Syllable but also had a few question I couldn't find the answer on their website and they don't have an IRC channel[21:24:48] <ulrask> Anyhow, tell me if I'm wrong but Haiku and Syllable seems very similar both in term of aim and features[21:25:03] <elliott1> syllable doesn't even have wifi support[21:25:05] <PovAddict> there exists #syllable, three users though[21:25:16] <ulrask> Three users including me and a bot yes[21:25:28] <luroh> hehe[21:25:33] <NeonLicht> hahaha[21:27:38] <ulrask> Still even if it's not usable for me yet, Syllable seems nice too. Between AroS, Haiku and Syllable that makes 3 modern OS that brings the Amiga spirit on PC[21:29:37] <PovAddict> has anyone here tried MorphOS?[21:29:40] *** Mixer has quit IRC[21:29:54] *** veve-mao has quit IRC[21:29:58] <ulrask> I've been using it since 1996[21:30:09] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[21:30:25] <ulrask> Actually at the company I work for, I'm provided a Pegasos running MorphOS[21:30:54] <ulrask> The problem with MorphOS is how difficult to find/expensive the computers are[21:31:59] <ulrask> That will probably change with the Amiga X1000 though[21:36:09] *** Mixer has quit IRC[21:36:23] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[21:41:43] *** Hubert_ has quit IRC[21:50:42] *** Alam_Squeeze has quit IRC[21:53:54] *** Megaf has quit IRC[21:56:28] *** Mixer has quit IRC[21:56:40] <CIA-49> zooey * r37394 /haiku/branches/developer/zooey/posix-locale/src/system/libroot/posix/glibc/ (98 files in 6 dirs): * more reaping of glibc files[21:56:57] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[22:02:16] *** Alam_Squeeze has joined #haiku[22:06:58] *** Mixer has quit IRC[22:07:28] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[22:14:24] *** geist has quit IRC[22:16:45] *** kr1stof has joined #haiku[22:19:28] *** Mixer has quit IRC[22:26:23] *** bbjimmy has joined #haiku[22:31:52] *** mbrumbelow has joined #haiku[22:33:50] <CIA-49> anevilyak * r37395 /haiku/trunk/build/jam/ (HaikuImage OptionalPackages): Add liblocalestub.a in the DevelopmentMin package instead.[22:37:46] *** kr1stof has quit IRC[22:48:16] *** Beyecixramd has joined #haiku[22:49:39] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[22:50:50] *** vooshy has quit IRC[22:53:45] *** AlexFera has joined #haiku[23:01:52] *** The123king has quit IRC[23:03:28] *** dru345 has joined #haiku[23:05:01] *** mbrumbelow has quit IRC[23:07:04] *** acous has quit IRC[23:07:53] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[23:09:56] *** Mixer has quit IRC[23:12:12] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[23:14:43] <Duggan> hi all[23:16:43] *** jvff has joined #haiku[23:16:53] *** mbrumbelow has joined #haiku[23:17:28] *** Xbertl has joined #haiku[23:18:19] <ulrask> Hi Duggan[23:18:33] <dru345> hi Duggan[23:19:35] <Duggan> hi ulrask hey dru345[23:20:09] <Xeon3D> hi hello olá! :)[23:20:13] *** Mixer has quit IRC[23:20:59] <Duggan> hey Xeon3D[23:21:12] <Duggan> who the hell is mixer?...[23:21:16] <Duggan> is that somebody's pet bot?[23:21:42] <Xeon3D> probably[23:21:45] *** nielx has left #haiku[23:21:55] <Xeon3D> It's been doing that for as long as I remember.[23:21:58] <Duggan> well they need to either fix it or get it the hell out of here[23:22:10] <Xeon3D> I've never seen him/it speaking.[23:22:31] <Xeon3D> should be joining in anytime now...[23:22:32] <Duggan> its only been here since I came back, I don't remember it doing that some months ago[23:22:36] <Duggan> yep[23:22:48] <Xeon3D> anyway good luck trying to get him out of here.[23:22:53] <Duggan> I know...[23:22:58] <Duggan> well there is one way...[23:23:10] <Duggan> crap[23:24:10] <Duggan> already in use or unavailable... well I tried[23:24:19] <Duggan> that means its somewhere else already then[23:24:25] <Duggan> hope it don't come back here :/[23:25:49] *** adriano-src has joined #haiku[23:25:50] <luroh> depending on the irc client, you can possibly filter out quit/join messages[23:25:58] <Duggan> ... so I'm currently working on #3897 and it's no fun either[23:26:18] <dru345> o/ Xeon3D[23:26:26] <Duggan> hey luroh[23:26:31] <luroh> hiya[23:26:39] <Duggan> using vision[23:27:23] *** kr1stof has joined #haiku[23:27:24] <luroh> aye, it'd be interesting to know if that's possible in vision[23:27:31] *** PacoLinux has quit IRC[23:28:31] <Duggan> could probably turn of ALL quit/join messages by making the event string for join and quit null, but I want to see them, just not for that one account[23:28:49] <luroh> ah[23:29:51] <Duggan> OS Uptime [Haiku]: 1 day 17 hrs 34 mins 1.817 sec[23:30:02] <Duggan> cool[23:30:25] *** warpdesign has joined #haiku[23:31:23] <Duggan> whats the best way to display debug messages?[23:31:35] *** kr1stof has quit IRC[23:31:40] <bbjimmy> I can't compile haiku rev past r 37378[23:32:17] <bbjimmy> gcc2 hybrid or gcc4 hybrid[23:32:52] <luroh> bbjimmy: yeah, you need an updated gcc4 package[23:33:05] <bbjimmy> not available yet.[23:33:14] <luroh> korli has prepared one but it hasn't been uploaded to haiku-files yes[23:33:16] <bbjimmy> :([23:34:34] <luroh> yet*[23:34:36] <bbjimmy> That;s life living on the bleeding edge.[23:34:51] <bbjimmy> got that[23:34:54] <luroh> true[23:35:41] <bbjimmy> Patience is a virtue, God grant me patience ... NOW[23:35:50] <Duggan> like if I want to display a value at some point during the programs execution, would it be suggested that I use printf or is there a message box I could use? what is the preferred method?[23:35:51] <luroh> bbjimmy: check your pm ;)[23:35:52] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[23:36:33] <dru345> \o OmniMancer[23:36:39] <Duggan> hey OmniMancer[23:37:04] <OmniMancer> hi[23:40:35] <luroh> Duggan: maybe you can use the notifier thingy[23:40:53] <Duggan> notifier thingy... alright, I'll look into it[23:41:47] <luroh> notify --help[23:42:33] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[23:43:08] <Duggan> hmm no... I need to watch specific values, doesn't look like thats possible[23:43:16] <luroh> aha[23:43:37] <dru345> Duggan just use printf :P[23:44:16] <Duggan> thats what I figured[23:46:35] *** cpr420 has joined #haiku[23:47:09] *** sprma has quit IRC[23:48:33] *** Mixer has quit IRC[23:49:03] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[23:49:27] <OmniMancer> what are you doing?[23:49:34] <Duggan> hey cpr420[23:49:40] <Duggan> working on #3897[23:49:50] <cpr420> hello Duggan[23:49:53] <Duggan> need to see some values as the program runs[23:50:02] <OmniMancer> which program[23:50:09] <Duggan> drivesetup[23:50:24] <OmniMancer> can you build it in debug mode and use gdb?[23:51:22] *** raichoo has quit IRC[23:51:24] <Duggan> good question lol[23:51:48] <Duggan> I'd have to read up on gdb first...[23:52:24] <OmniMancer> debuggers are for watching values :P[23:52:40] <dru345> use printf :P[23:52:46] <Duggan> so are printfs, couts, and messageboxes[23:53:29] <Duggan> I've always used either cout or a message box myself, just not sure how to go about doing those in haiku (it didn't like printf)[23:54:00] <dru345> what values are you trying to see?[23:54:55] <Duggan> looking at ColumnListView.cpp again, in the OutlineView::RemoveRow() function[23:55:04] *** Mixer has quit IRC[23:55:43] <Duggan> I think its not resetting a particular value when a row is removed, I just need to determine if thats the case, what it should be set to and where (or if/where it should be reset to 0)[23:56:19] <Duggan> I'm looking at the value fItemsHeight[23:56:41] <Duggan> and trying to determine how it gets its value.... its a pretty messy function if you ask me[23:56:48] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[23:57:09] <dru345> i'm trying to find out why printf isn't working out though :P[23:57:11] *** AlexFera has quit IRC[23:57:29] <dru345> ok fItemsHeight I'll peek[23:57:49] *** wry has joined #haiku[23:57:54] <Duggan> brb[23:58:14] <dru345> fItemsHeight is just a float[23:58:29] <dru345> should work easily with printf