July 3, 2010 
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July 3, 2010 [00:02:15] *** wry has joined #haiku[00:04:30] *** luroh has quit IRC[00:19:17] *** Skipp_OSX has quit IRC[00:24:07] *** PasNox has quit IRC[00:34:49] *** yourpalal has quit IRC[00:36:34] *** raichoo has quit IRC[00:36:37] *** impy_ has quit IRC[00:36:37] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[00:36:38] *** Tass_ has quit IRC[00:36:38] *** nighty_ has quit IRC[00:38:25] *** OmniMancer1 has joined #haiku[00:38:43] *** Geoz has quit IRC[00:39:29] *** nighty_ has joined #haiku[00:39:30] *** Tass_ has joined #haiku[00:39:30] *** JonathanThompson has joined #haiku[00:39:30] *** impy_ has joined #haiku[00:39:30] *** Geoz has joined #haiku[00:40:06] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[00:41:11] *** peerkoel has quit IRC[00:41:11] <eml> azooey, is that a new developer or have I Just not seen any commit messages with his nick before?[00:41:15] <eml> zooey*[00:41:25] <mmadia> he's oliver tappe.[00:41:32] <johnny_b> he's Oliver Tappe[00:41:35] <johnny_b> :)[00:41:42] *** Tass_ has quit IRC[00:43:43] *** Tass_ has joined #haiku[00:50:18] *** TMM has quit IRC[00:51:04] *** TMM has joined #haiku[00:53:26] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[00:53:44] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[00:53:44] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[00:54:20] *** TMM has quit IRC[00:54:30] *** TMM has joined #haiku[00:56:11] *** Andrius has quit IRC[01:00:06] *** peerkoel has joined #haiku[01:09:55] *** wry has quit IRC[01:13:48] *** Ziusudra has joined #haiku[01:15:54] <Xeon3D> yo/[01:18:20] <Duggan> hey[01:21:51] <Xeon3D> hey Duggan[01:21:55] <Xeon3D> how goes?[01:23:43] <johnny_b> night[01:23:57] <Duggan> it goes, you?[01:24:01] <Duggan> night johnny_b[01:27:49] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[01:28:00] <CIA-49> bonefish * r37359 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/debug/tracing.cpp:[01:28:00] <CIA-49> Disable re-attaching the tracing buffer of a previous session. It still has[01:28:00] <CIA-49> some problems.[01:31:00] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[01:31:57] <CIA-49> bonefish * r37360 /haiku/trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs):[01:31:57] <CIA-49> * Added optional paranoid checking of the slab memory manager meta chunks[01:31:57] <CIA-49> after each chunk allocation/deallocation.[01:31:57] <CIA-49> * The commands that dump chunks also verify, whether chunks that look free[01:31:57] <CIA-49> are in the free list.[01:35:54] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[01:38:09] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[01:38:27] *** OmniMancer1 has quit IRC[01:38:37] <Duggan> hey OmniMancer[01:40:51] *** ari-free has quit IRC[01:44:22] *** Beyecixramd has quit IRC[01:51:41] *** Alam_Squeeze has quit IRC[01:52:15] <Advant> ANyone know of a *nix utility to calculate fragmentatino[01:52:33] <Advant> I suppose it depends on the filesystem being used[01:52:44] *** Alam_Squeeze has joined #haiku[01:52:48] <Duggan> try a *nix channel?[01:54:32] *** kurain__ has joined #haiku[01:56:23] *** Barrett has quit IRC[01:56:32] *** Ola_ has quit IRC[01:59:39] <gluon> Advant: you mean disk fragmentation or network fragmentation?[02:00:01] *** geist has quit IRC[02:00:17] *** geist has joined #haiku[02:00:17] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o geist[02:02:39] <Advant> gluon: disk[02:03:23] <gluon> a simple fsck scan usually tells the non-contiguous percentage[02:05:30] <Advant> gluon: cool, maybe just what I'm looking for[02:08:42] *** bradley has joined #haiku[02:11:51] *** AlexFera has quit IRC[02:15:43] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[02:23:18] *** OmniMancer1 has joined #haiku[02:27:14] <Duggan> well I guess its time i get back to work...[02:27:48] <Duggan> l8r all[02:27:58] *** Duggan has quit IRC[02:29:00] *** jmelesky has quit IRC[02:29:20] *** OmniMancer1 has quit IRC[02:31:24] *** OmniMancer|Haiku has quit IRC[02:32:11] *** geist has quit IRC[02:33:37] *** Geoz has quit IRC[02:35:07] *** Ziusudra has quit IRC[02:44:43] *** acous has quit IRC[02:50:19] *** acous has joined #haiku[02:52:30] *** geist has joined #haiku[02:52:31] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o geist[03:12:13] *** osnr has quit IRC[03:12:19] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[03:13:12] <cpr420> there goes the channel! that OmniMancer guy is back :([03:14:35] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[03:17:04] *** wry has joined #haiku[03:31:36] *** acous has quit IRC[03:32:54] * OmniMancer hides from cpr420 and his mean words.[03:33:24] <cpr420> there's nowhere to hide on the interwebs, muahaha![03:39:03] *** ambroff has quit IRC[03:40:19] * JonathanThompson removes the cloak of OmniMancer so that the ugly truth is revealed to be a beautiful lie[03:40:40] <JonathanThompson> Now to wait for the grey matter splatter to ensue![03:40:47] * JonathanThompson dons his braincoat[04:11:03] *** wry has quit IRC[04:12:03] *** wry has joined #haiku[04:12:31] *** Ziusudra has joined #haiku[04:16:53] *** bradley has quit IRC[04:22:36] *** strohi has quit IRC[04:25:25] *** talimanB has quit IRC[04:29:11] *** bradley has joined #haiku[04:31:57] *** ambroff has joined #haiku[04:40:57] *** Sir_Konrad has quit IRC[05:24:47] *** Alam_Squeeze has quit IRC[05:29:08] <Xeon3D> pizza anyone? :X[05:29:28] <saivert> no[05:29:33] <saivert> bread + jam[05:31:29] <saivert> looking forward to that Windows Phone 7 review. when it actually hits on a real phone[05:31:45] <saivert> there is a preview here though http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/LauraFoy/First-Look-Windows-Phone-7-Series-Hands-on-Demo/[05:31:48] <saivert> but that is old[05:34:00] *** Xeon-Arch has joined #haiku[05:34:16] <Xeon-Arch> Finally managed to install arch ^_^[05:34:23] <Xeon-Arch> Now I have no clue on what to do :P[05:35:42] <mmadia> . . . delete it and re-install Haiku? :D[05:37:51] <l_n> arch == instant gentoo :P[05:38:04] <Xeon3D> I have Haiku also installed.. but it's going fairly slow (imho), and I really ain't got much use for it...[05:38:20] <Xeon3D> gentoo? hell no...[05:38:29] <Xeon3D> I installed arch so that I may have something to tinker...[05:39:15] <l_n> what about (ic)aros?[05:40:01] <Xeon-Arch> ewww[05:40:10] <Xeon-Arch> hate amigaOS and similars...[05:40:30] <Xeon-Arch> brb[05:40:32] *** Xeon-Arch has quit IRC[05:43:32] *** XeonArch has joined #haiku[05:45:15] *** LoganA has joined #haiku[05:48:44] *** Alam_Squeeze has joined #haiku[05:56:31] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[05:56:38] *** HaikuUser is now known as Duggan[05:56:46] *** matthias9 has quit IRC[05:57:06] <Duggan> one of these days I'll figure out how to configure this thing right...[05:58:32] *** matthias9 has joined #haiku[06:09:07] *** LoganA has quit IRC[06:09:21] *** LoganA has joined #haiku[06:22:07] <XeonArch> Duggan figure what?[06:24:10] <Ziusudra> I'd guess he means configuring Vision[06:25:19] <Xeon3D> Hmmm what's to configure on Vision? :P[06:27:11] <l_n> my A.I.[06:27:31] <l_n> <--- a clever bot[06:27:52] <Xeon3D> :)[06:28:53] * l_n is going to eventually get around to burning an icaros dvd to boot his other computer from[06:31:42] *** XeonArch_ has joined #haiku[06:32:04] *** CyberKitsune has joined #haiku[06:32:45] <CIA-49> wim * r37361 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/notification/NotificationWindow.cpp:[06:32:45] <CIA-49> * Fix 'missing braces around initializer for 'property_info'' warning[06:32:45] <CIA-49> * Style cleanup[06:34:56] *** wry has quit IRC[06:35:02] *** XeonArch has quit IRC[06:35:28] *** wry has joined #haiku[06:41:10] *** PovAddict has joined #haiku[06:49:22] *** kurain__ has left #haiku[06:57:25] *** LoganA has quit IRC[07:04:12] *** saivert has quit IRC[07:09:54] *** saivert has joined #haiku[07:12:16] *** CyberKitsune has quit IRC[07:12:27] *** saivert has quit IRC[07:14:50] *** away345 is now known as dru345[07:15:04] <dru345> greetings #haiku o/[07:15:30] *** CK|iPod has joined #haiku[07:18:56] <Ziusudra> hi dru345[07:19:07] <dru345> hello Ziusudra[07:20:27] *** saivert has joined #haiku[07:22:37] *** saivert has quit IRC[07:27:28] <Duggan> hey dru345[07:27:39] <dru345> hi Duggan[07:28:41] *** saivert has joined #haiku[07:28:41] <Duggan> incredibly stupid question...[07:28:53] * dru345 formulates incredibly stupid answer...[07:29:05] <CK|iPod> We need a greeting bot in here to save us typing[07:29:19] <dru345> heh CK|iPod[07:29:20] <Duggan> so lets say I was going to submit a patch.... is that "patch" the product of some specific tool like diff or something, or is it just the modified files in their entirety zipped?[07:29:32] <Ziusudra> svn diff[07:29:35] <dru345> diff[07:29:57] <Duggan> ok just checking because I never used diff for that lol[07:30:20] <mmadia> Duggan : http://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/SubmittingPatches[07:30:21] <PovAddict> how well does haiku work in virtualbox nowadays?[07:30:22] <Ziusudra> Duggan: http://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/SubmittingPatches[07:30:26] <dru345> it's easy to make the patch. less easy to get it reviewed >.>[07:30:29] <mmadia> First! :P[07:30:35] <dru345> hi mmadia :D[07:30:35] <Ziusudra> :P[07:30:43] <PovAddict> last I tried (months ago), it crashed virtualbox often :P[07:30:59] <mmadia> hi dru345, *[07:31:17] <dru345> vbox has been updated a few times since but, seriously, vmware ftw with haiku[07:31:38] <Duggan> lol thanks mmadia and Ziusudra[07:33:03] <CK|iPod> Hardware ftw with Haiku. <3[07:34:39] <PovAddict> CK|iPod: well of course[07:34:49] <Duggan> native ftw[07:34:50] <PovAddict> I tried a liveusb on real hardware once[07:35:05] <CK|iPod> I actually have a process[07:35:07] <PovAddict> it had no video output while booting[07:35:13] <CK|iPod> I get the VM image[07:35:15] <PovAddict> it was booting from *USB*, not disk[07:35:18] <PovAddict> and yet it was fast as hell[07:35:26] <PovAddict> faster than any other OS to boot[07:35:36] <Duggan> PovAddict did you try the failsafe video mode?[07:35:40] <CK|iPod> I use VMWare to forward my USB to the VM[07:35:50] <CK|iPod> Install stuff in the VM[07:35:59] <CK|iPod> Use Installer to put on USB[07:36:02] <CK|iPod> And ding[07:36:05] <PovAddict> Duggan: I don't think so, but again, it was many months ago, things surely improved since then[07:36:06] <PovAddict> :)[07:36:08] <CK|iPod> Instant epic[07:36:40] <Duggan> PovAddict maybe, maybe not, depends on your hardware and if anything's been done with the drivers for it... next time try the failsafe video mode, unfortunately I have to use it on native hardware[07:36:45] <Duggan> like right now lol[07:37:02] <PovAddict> once it finished booting, it worked just fine[07:37:11] *** marc_smith has joined #haiku[07:37:27] <PovAddict> it was the bootscreen that didn't display, so it went from black-with-blinking-monitor-led to a working desktop[07:37:38] <Duggan> when you boot, right after the POST and before the boot screen comes up, start mashing space like a madman, then go down to failsafe options, then check use failsafe video mode or whatever[07:37:50] <Duggan> PovAddict oh ok, well it doesn't matter then lol[07:38:02] <PovAddict> yeah, a minor glitch[07:38:03] <Duggan> I get a bootscreen just fine, its everything else that doesn't work for me[07:38:07] <PovAddict> lo[07:38:42] <Duggan> btw, I *am* in haiku running native right now[07:38:43] <PovAddict> in virtualbox, it just triggered a vbox internal error after a few minutes[07:39:07] <PovAddict> didn't notice any specific reason (like, "when doing X it crashed")[07:40:22] <Duggan> hmm[07:40:35] <PovAddict> so I gave up with that VM... umccullough let me ssh into his real haiku machine and I did my compilation test there, much easier and reliable :P[07:40:36] <Duggan> I imagine vbox expects everything inside it to play nice...[07:41:01] <Duggan> ssh works in haiku? lol[07:41:21] <PovAddict> seen umccullough here lately? I thought he *lived* in this channel[07:41:21] *** Alam_Squeeze has quit IRC[07:41:29] <Duggan> I thought he did too, but no[07:41:43] <Duggan> he's a good guy, been looking forward to talking to him again[07:42:13] <PovAddict> he seems to be in IRC, just not in this channel[07:42:16] <CK|iPod> Space?[07:42:17] <CK|iPod> No[07:42:19] <CK|iPod> Shift.[07:42:33] <PovAddict> ugh[07:42:45] <PovAddict> it's quarter past waytoolate, I better to go to sleep[07:42:56] <Duggan> its only 12:44am...[07:43:03] <marc_smith> of course SSH works with Haiku. Many parts of Haiku are BSD-licensed anyway[07:43:10] <marc_smith> they're borrowed from BSD world[07:43:24] <marc_smith> which is cool[07:43:29] <Duggan> I'm aware, just not sure how you'd log in with no login[07:43:36] *** wry has quit IRC[07:43:40] <marc_smith> oh, k[07:43:58] *** wry has joined #haiku[07:44:02] <marc_smith> btw any of you using bsd?[07:44:04] <CK|iPod> That's a good question[07:44:22] <CK|iPod> How do you ssh into a haiku box with no username[07:44:24] <Duggan> no, but I probably should dump opensuse for it since its broke now anyway[07:44:25] <PovAddict> I'm on GNU/Linux atm, been wanting to try an alternative[07:44:26] <CK|iPod> Or password[07:44:42] <PovAddict> CK|iPod: I should search my irc logs, to see how I did it :P[07:44:50] <Duggan> lol[07:44:58] <Duggan> probably just throw an ip in and go to town lol[07:45:01] <marc_smith> I am using bsds and gotta tell you this: order! and it has many in common with Haiku[07:45:36] *** Alam_Squeeze has joined #haiku[07:45:36] <PovAddict> I want to try GNU/Hurd some day... should be fun(ny)[07:45:44] <marc_smith> yeah PovAddict![07:45:47] <marc_smith> that would be nice[07:45:54] <PovAddict> see how much crap is still unimplemented[07:45:56] <PovAddict> lol[07:46:09] <marc_smith> yeah, It's like a neverending story[07:46:14] <Ziusudra> to ssh into Haiku username is user and password can be set with passwd[07:46:17] <marc_smith> they can't seem to get it actually working[07:46:34] <PovAddict> there is a Debian variant using Hurd[07:46:37] <Duggan> hmm[07:46:44] <PovAddict> afaik it's the one architecture for which debian has no installer yet[07:46:49] <Ziusudra> to get sshd running you'll have to create /var/empty[07:47:52] <PovAddict> you have to boot into Linux first, and do all the installation steps manually from there... create a partition, format it, run debootstrap, install hurd kernel, bootloader, etc etc[07:48:38] <marc_smith> in terms of overall performance compared to haiku: nothing beats RT QNX[07:48:56] <marc_smith> it's hard to get Neutrino version nowadays[07:49:17] <elliott1> i tried that desktop version they offered a few years ago, i really liked it[07:49:23] <marc_smith> yeah, me too[07:49:35] <marc_smith> no it's probobly opensourced, but only partially[07:49:38] <marc_smith> now[07:49:53] <Duggan> I'm lost...[07:49:57] <marc_smith> and they didn't opensource Neutrino native version[07:50:21] <Duggan> hurd is supposed to be a replacement for the unix kernel? I thought linux was supposed to emulate the unix kernel?...... whats the difference?...[07:50:28] <marc_smith> damn, I like the OS world! lol[07:50:35] <PovAddict> Duggan: Linux is a kernel, Hurd is a kernel[07:50:59] <Duggan> PovAddict thats what I'm getting at[07:51:24] * marc_smith writes TODO: install Haiku native on a spare NetBSD partition[07:51:26] <PovAddict> the GNU operating system was going to use GNU Hurd[07:51:45] <Ziusudra> HURD is meant to be micro with daemons, Linux is monolith[07:52:01] <PovAddict> but Linux became usable before Hurd did[07:52:12] <Ziusudra> WAY before[07:52:13] <Duggan> gotcha[07:52:26] <PovAddict> it's debatable whether hurd is usable now[07:52:33] <Duggan> so they just got together and said "lets write two kernels and see which one works"[07:52:34] <Ziusudra> indeed[07:52:42] <PovAddict> Duggan: not really[07:53:16] <Ziusudra> they, Gnu, got together and debated how to write one, Linus wrote one on his own[07:53:17] <marc_smith> doesn't Minix have similar approach? AFAIK [and tested] it works in almost the same way, it has microkernel, but it doesn't have any distributed FS[07:53:33] <PovAddict> Linus Torvalds was making his kernel just for the hell of it, ported GNU userland to it... then it got an unexpected amount of interest and contributions :)[07:53:55] <Duggan> gotcha[07:54:04] <Duggan> makes more sense now[07:54:20] <PovAddict> heck, his first email announcing it in the minix mailing list started with: "I'm doing a (free) operating system (just a hobby, won't be big and professional like gnu) for 386(486) AT clones."[07:54:21] <Duggan> gnu failed outright so they hijacked somebody elses code[07:54:36] <marc_smith> yeah Duggan[07:54:38] <marc_smith> true[07:54:39] <Duggan> at least microsoft was successful before they "stole" somebody elses code lol[07:54:46] <PovAddict> Duggan: no, *users* just started using GNU with Linux instead :P[07:55:03] <marc_smith> have you looked at the Minix now, guys? I think it's worth testing. It's a CLI only OS, but looks really nice and clean[07:55:08] <Ziusudra> Gnu finally decided to base their kernel off Mach[07:55:10] <PovAddict> GNU is still trying to use Hurd, and still trying to get people to say "GNU/Linux" instead of "Linux" to refer to the OS :P[07:55:51] <Duggan> no, linux is linux as far as I'm concerned... distros are just the pretty faces and packaging[07:55:51] <Ziusudra> yeah, users are who made Linux popular[07:57:05] *** XeonArch_ has quit IRC[07:58:38] <Duggan> minix is CLI only?[07:58:47] <Duggan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minix_3[07:59:04] <Duggan> oh, no icons I guess[07:59:18] <Duggan> thats awful vague though...[08:00:18] <PovAddict> if it has X, it's a giant step[08:00:32] <Hodapp> Minix has had X for awhile... well, Minix-VMD did[08:00:49] <PovAddict> porting userland stuff like, say, GTK, should be easier than getting an X server working if it doesn't already have one[08:00:57] *** cps1966 has left #haiku[08:01:58] <Duggan> yeah but minix is bsd licensed, x is MIT licensed, and GTK is gpled lol[08:02:26] <PovAddict> and? :P[08:02:27] <Duggan> I really should work on being consistent with my capitalization...[08:02:53] <Duggan> well it would appear the minix devs are partial to liberal licenses? lol[08:03:10] <Duggan> ... maybe I should install minix if bsd doesn't work out for me...[08:05:16] * dru345 tries minix even though tanenbaum's textbook was lousy[08:06:21] <Duggan> I have 3 copies of operating system concepts and half a dozen or so other OS books[08:06:27] <dru345> cool :D[08:06:47] <dru345> you could write one about the design of haiku :D[08:06:54] <Duggan> 3rd ed, alternate 3rd ed, and 7th ed[08:06:59] <dru345> ah[08:07:05] <Duggan> if I could decipher the design of haiku, yes I could lol[08:07:11] <dru345> indeed :([08:07:52] <Duggan> we should do that... we could make us a team and write up UML diagrams of the entire OS.... flowcharts.... we could make "The Haiku Encyclopaedia"[08:08:09] * dru345 is game :P[08:08:13] <Duggan> lol[08:09:38] <CIA-49> dlmcpaul * r37362 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/media/plugins/mp3_decoder/mp3DecoderPlugin.cpp: Correct test. Fixes bug #6251[08:10:38] <marc_smith> I hope Haiku won't use GPLd software[08:10:46] <marc_smith> or - at least - the license[08:10:52] <Duggan> it doesn't[08:10:55] <CIA-49> dlmcpaul * r37363 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/media/plugins/asf_reader/ (21 files in 2 dirs): Update to latest libasf (r107)[08:10:58] <marc_smith> I'd like to see more BSD-licensed code[08:11:11] <Duggan> and even if I have to keep a repo myself to keep it that way, it never will[08:11:20] <Duggan> BSD/MIT = good[08:11:26] <marc_smith> yeah, exactly, Duggan[08:11:46] <Duggan> gpl = bollocks[08:12:00] *** raichoo has joined #haiku[08:12:02] <marc_smith> I dislike GPL, but it's good that linux software is there. We all need a choice[08:12:25] <marc_smith> people need to have a choice, whatever it is[08:12:29] <Duggan> I despise GPL[08:12:34] <marc_smith> yeah[08:12:43] <Duggan> out of principle I do not contribute to GPLed projects, no matter how simple the task[08:12:48] <dru345> GPL => poison[08:12:50] <marc_smith> heheh[08:12:58] <Duggan> for instance...[08:13:13] <marc_smith> and that's one of the things that make me love Haiku and BeOS in general lol[08:13:20] <Duggan> vision (the IRC client) has a couple issues I was looking into fixing the other day[08:13:37] <Duggan> until I noticed it was licensed under the mozilla license which is too reminiscent of the GPL for my tastes[08:13:56] <Duggan> BeOS was proprietary[08:13:59] <Duggan> commercial license[08:14:06] <Duggan> but I loved BeOS[08:14:15] *** evanosxi has joined #haiku[08:14:25] <Duggan> and I was happy when OpenBeOS got started, though it sucked that Be had to go under for that to happen[08:14:25] <marc_smith> yeah, but the apps around BeOS had quite dirrefent license[08:14:29] <marc_smith> AFAIR[08:14:42] <Duggan> and I was all about Haiku[08:14:50] <Duggan> and then I learned about open source licenses[08:14:56] <Duggan> and now I'm REALLY all about Haiku![08:15:40] <marc_smith> yeah. I was first introduced to BSD, partially linux, BeOS and then other OSs. I couldn't believe there are so many great projects out there[08:15:43] <dru345> Duggan you realize the mozilla license isn't gpl compatible, yes?[08:16:04] <Duggan> yes, but once its under the mozilla license its always under the mozilla license[08:16:17] <Duggan> if they want to do that, they might as well keep the source closed[08:16:20] <marc_smith> ... so it's a virus-like licencse[08:16:24] <Duggan> sort of[08:16:27] <Duggan> not as bad as the GPL[08:16:32] <Duggan> but still reminiscent of it[08:16:39] <Duggan> if thats how its spelled anyway...[08:17:03] <dru345> but firefox was relicensed under multiples licenses, why couldn't vision? :P[08:17:19] <Duggan> firefox was licensed under the GPL too lol[08:17:28] <marc_smith> doesn't it depend on the Mozilla afterall?[08:17:33] <Duggan> one thing that I was very very happy to see was when Ogre3D switched from GPL to MIT[08:17:38] <dru345> yes *relicensed* under GPL[08:18:32] <Duggan> one thing people that like the GPL don't understand is that once a project is open source, its always open source...[08:18:45] <Duggan> no matter what license[08:19:30] <dru345> yes and no[08:19:32] <marc_smith> most of the time. It's worth noticing that BSD/MIT/ISC let's you user the code in a commercial projects and that's what the GPL guys dislike[08:19:41] <marc_smith> use[08:19:52] <Duggan> I know[08:19:57] <Duggan> dru345 howso?[08:20:51] <marc_smith> hey, what kind fo the installation method do you prefer, when it comes to haiku? ISO? USB thumb drive?[08:20:57] <marc_smith> of[08:21:21] <Duggan> dunno, haven't reinstalled it "properly" for a couple years[08:21:23] <dru345> a project can always be relicensed. the versions released as GPL will always be GPL but later versions not. i've seen this with some Mac software. initially GPL, released to closed source by rights owner, GPL version forked.[08:21:36] <Duggan> dru345 exactly, it forked[08:21:39] <marc_smith> It seems that the USB-way is faster in my case[08:22:09] <Duggan> you could just as easily say the commercial version forked off the open source version[08:22:12] <marc_smith> at least it was with the early versions of Haiku[08:22:29] <Duggan> I did usb before iso was available[08:22:51] <Duggan> dru345 and say that the people supporting it had changed[08:22:56] <dru345> anyway. I don't get your objection to working on Vision since it is MPL.[08:23:01] <marc_smith> I installed it off the BeOS Max many times before cd or the images came around, but now I just wanna just the best method[08:23:20] <marc_smith> just/use[08:23:22] <Duggan> I would feel bad putting little snippets of MIT licensed code inside a big MPL project lol[08:23:23] *** evanosxi has quit IRC[08:23:29] *** CK|iPod has quit IRC[08:23:40] *** evanosxi has joined #haiku[08:23:40] *** CK|iPod has joined #haiku[08:23:43] <dru345> MPL ends at the source file though.[08:23:47] <Duggan> and if I fixed a typo, am I going to MIT license one character? lol[08:23:53] *** evanosxi has left #haiku[08:23:56] <dru345> ah.[08:24:04] <dru345> well it's your code.[08:24:10] <dru345> at least report the bugs :)[08:24:17] <dru345> so someone else can fix 'm[08:24:18] <marc_smith> licences should go like this: 'you can do whatever you want. Don't blame us though'[08:24:22] <Duggan> I don't even remember what they are[08:24:37] <Duggan> marc_smith thats pretty much MIT/BSD[08:24:44] <marc_smith> yeah, but it's 3-0clause[08:24:51] <marc_smith> which is still too long lol[08:24:58] *** veve-mao has joined #haiku[08:25:02] <Duggan> MIT is pretty much exactly that except you have to include copyright info of the previous version, BSD (depending on version) can require alot more info[08:25:08] <marc_smith> ISC is a bit shorter IIRC[08:25:21] <Duggan> whats ISC?[08:25:28] <marc_smith> BSD compatible license[08:25:43] <marc_smith> https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/ISC_license[08:25:46] <Duggan> the apache license IIRC is based on the BSD license[08:25:47] <marc_smith> openbsd uses it[08:26:08] * dru345 creates a GPL-like license that forbids use in GPL projects >:P[08:26:14] <marc_smith> lmao[08:26:34] <Duggan> rofl the FSF had a kitten over "and distribute"[08:26:37] <marc_smith> they're gonna love your license.[08:27:20] <Duggan> dru345 actually I've been thinking for a couple years about a license that forbids use in GPL (and other copyleft) licenses[08:27:27] <marc_smith> there should be the the GPL+ licence which bounds your soul with the devil[08:27:28] <Duggan> and is retroactive to all previous versions and derived works[08:27:49] <Duggan> marc_smith pretty much hehe[08:27:51] <CIA-49> wim * r37364 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/print/drivers/canon_lips/lips3/ (7 files): Style cleanup.[08:27:55] <Duggan> thats GPLv4[08:28:24] <marc_smith> hehehe[08:28:30] *** sprma has joined #haiku[08:29:09] <marc_smith> '[...] therefore I, marc smith give my sould to devil in order to use this wonderful piece of code'[08:29:38] <Duggan> "this code is free, do with it what you will but never... NEVER.......... EVER.... use ANY of it in a GPLed project... even if the license has changed from this license"[08:29:43] <marc_smith> of course there would be a RMS-clause[08:29:44] <Duggan> thats my license... in a nutshell[08:30:29] <marc_smith> Duggan: isn't it a GPL-like license? lol[08:30:31] <dru345> I admire Haiku in that it isn't lying around demanding corporations open source projects for their benefit. I see too much of that in the Linux world - demanding company's GPL intellectual property. It's not like OpenOffice.org was started as open source. Or Gecko. Or VP8/WebM. Etc.[08:30:57] <Duggan> marc_smith no, never says it has to stay the same license, never says you cant close the source or fork it to a commercial title[08:31:06] <marc_smith> true[08:31:11] * dru345 hushes[08:31:29] <Duggan> but it does say that it and any works derived from it can never be GPLed effectively protecting the code from the devil[08:31:54] *** mmadia has quit IRC[08:32:08] <marc_smith> RMS seems to be a communist anyway. Shared code, labor, no money[08:32:20] <Duggan> marc_smith he is a communist[08:32:35] <Duggan> and outspoken about it... its no secret lol[08:32:38] <marc_smith> can't say I like communists[08:32:53] <marc_smith> never heard him saying it aloud[08:32:54] <marc_smith> wow[08:32:54] <Duggan> cant say I do either.... mostly because I dont... in fact I despise them[08:33:01] <marc_smith> at least he has some balls to admit it[08:33:18] <Duggan> well I don't know that he ever said "I'm a communist" but he's very outspoken about capitalism[08:33:41] <Duggan> he believes ALL software should be GPLed (so you can never make a profit from any of it) and he also thinks software patents should be illegal[08:33:45] <marc_smith> ok, so he doeesn't have the balls[08:33:46] <marc_smith> lol[08:34:00] <Duggan> I didn't say he didn't say it, I just said I don't know that he did[08:34:07] <Duggan> but you're right, he probably doesn't[08:34:34] <marc_smith> personally I don't know what to think about the patenting stuff[08:34:39] <Duggan> outspoken against capitalism*[08:35:24] <Duggan> well look at pdfs, took a long time before anybody else wrote a reader for them and theres still no one utility to really create them (besides exporting)[08:35:52] <Duggan> if thats what adobe wants to do, more power to them, it must be a good idea because they still don't have any major competition, even from the open source community[08:36:14] <Duggan> also look at flash, nobody else wrote a compiler for action script, but microsoft DID make silverlight to compete[08:36:36] <marc_smith> true[08:36:55] <Duggan> those are patented systems and if they want to patent them, thats fine, but if somebody wants to compete with their own "technology" thats fine too, thats capitalism at work[08:37:31] <marc_smith> mechanisms ... maybe. But patenting the code? it's probobly not that good idea[08:38:16] <Duggan> no they don't patent the actual code, thats copyrighted lol[08:38:22] <Duggan> but what the code does and how it does it is[08:38:36] <Duggan> more like how it does it lol[08:38:53] <Duggan> too much blood in my nicotine stream... brb[08:39:20] <marc_smith> so hen you want to write a video player you need to pass the output through the soundsystem so you don't get sued for stealing their methods lol[08:40:05] *** marc_smith has quit IRC[08:44:45] *** Andrius has joined #haiku[08:44:51] *** wry has quit IRC[08:50:27] *** tqh has joined #haiku[08:51:01] *** bubsy has quit IRC[08:51:39] *** bubsy has joined #haiku[08:55:49] <Duggan> hmm[08:57:07] <Duggan> dru345 I got an idea for you for tracker[08:57:11] <Duggan> at least I think its tracker[08:57:13] *** bradley_ has joined #haiku[08:57:20] <dru345> ok[08:57:24] <dru345> PM me :)[08:57:24] <Duggan> ok its probably not tracker, its probably just whatever code does the windows[08:57:32] *** kr1stof has joined #haiku[09:01:10] *** MasterStarman has quit IRC[09:01:26] *** bradley has quit IRC[09:11:21] *** saivert has quit IRC[09:11:43] *** sprma has quit IRC[09:17:13] *** saivert has joined #haiku[09:25:34] <dru345> anyone: (mmadia?) is trunk still broken or is it building again?[09:26:13] *** xray7224 has joined #haiku[09:26:50] <Duggan> like I said... didn't expect it to work lol[09:26:51] *** saivert has quit IRC[09:28:12] <dru345> *nod* forgot it was broken[09:28:57] <Duggan> didn't know it was broken[09:29:06] <Duggan> its a runtime error[09:29:08] <Duggan> it built fine[09:29:33] <dru345> oh[09:29:37] <dru345> now you tell me[09:29:40] <Duggan> lol[09:29:48] <dru345> yeah someone Fri morning said trunk wouldn't build[09:29:50] <Duggan> ok well yes, the loader can't resolve a symbol...[09:30:05] <dru345> what are you building on?[09:30:22] <Duggan> x86 was configured for a hybrid image build[09:30:28] <dru345> you'll want to build on a nightly if you're building from trunk[09:31:10] <Duggan> don't understand what you mean, all I've got is nightlies[09:31:47] <Duggan> I think it probably had something to do with the fact I had it configured for hybrid images before I reconfigured it for this...[09:33:54] <Duggan> ok let me try this...[09:34:18] <Duggan> I tried "jam -q -sHAIKU_ADD_ALTERNATIVE_GCC_LIBS=0 -a"[09:34:24] *** saivert has joined #haiku[09:34:35] <Duggan> gonna take half an hour, but we'll see what happens...[09:34:56] * cpr420 pets his quad-core[09:35:03] <Duggan> hey cpr420[09:35:08] <cpr420> hello[09:37:54] <dru345> Duggan some try to build from trunk / run on Alpha 2[09:38:29] <Duggan> same damn thing[09:38:37] *** kurain has joined #haiku[09:38:39] <Duggan> how would I do that?[09:38:44] <cpr420> what's the error?[09:38:52] <Duggan> runtime link error[09:38:56] <Duggan> undefined symbol[09:39:02] <dru345> hi kurain[09:39:03] <Duggan> playing around with drivesetup[09:39:13] <kurain> hi dru345[09:40:05] <Duggan> I had my repo set up to build hybrid images, now I'm just trying to build drivesetup[09:40:12] <Duggan> but when I run it, I get an error[09:40:30] <cpr420> it's only when you run it? not during the compile?[09:40:35] <Duggan> yep[09:41:22] <cpr420> depending on which symbols are missing you can work around that[09:41:56] <Duggan> "GetCatalog_13BLocaleRosterP8BCatalogPVl'[09:42:18] *** kurain has quit IRC[09:43:24] <cpr420> iirc, you can do something like: jam run generated-gcc2/objects/haiku/x86/release/apps/drivesetup/DriveSetup[09:43:39] <cpr420> change paths accordingly[09:44:18] <cpr420> you could also set your LIBRARY_PATH by hand and run it[09:46:30] <Duggan> ugh I need more nicotine.... brb[09:47:30] <CIA-49> wim * r37365 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/print/drivers/canon_lips/ (7 files in 2 dirs): Style cleanup.[09:50:19] <cpr420> actually i think the run command is only for tools like bfs_shell, but you can modify LIBRARY_PATH by hand[09:52:51] *** kurain has joined #haiku[09:53:14] <Duggan> back[09:53:14] *** veve-mao has quit IRC[09:54:51] <dru345> wb[09:55:10] <Duggan> danke[09:55:24] <kurain> well, thank you , dru345[09:55:36] <Duggan> eh not to sound stupid, but how do I tell what LIBRARY_PATH is currently pointing to?[09:55:46] <cpr420> echo $LIBRARY_PATH[09:55:53] <Duggan> oh ok wrong symbol[09:56:14] <kurain> there must be settings wrong with xchat[09:56:31] <Duggan> and what dare I ask would you suggest I point it to?[09:56:58] <cpr420> is that the actual symbol that was missing?[09:56:59] *** OmniMancer1 has joined #haiku[09:57:03] <Duggan> no[09:57:35] <Duggan> GetCatalog_13BLocaleRosterP8BCatalogPVl[09:57:44] *** kr1stof has quit IRC[09:58:02] <cpr420> something like ...[09:58:03] *** saivert has quit IRC[09:58:57] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[09:59:15] <cpr420> LIBRARY_PATH="generated-gcc2/objects/haiku.x86/release/kits/locale:$LIBRARY_PATH" generated-gcc2/objects/haiku/x86/release/apps/drivesetup/DriveSetup[09:59:49] <cpr420> typo in there just to mess with you :P[10:00:18] <Duggan> ok for one, its not generating to that path.... jam wouldn't run in the drivesetup source directory, said I had to run configure (even though it was already set up to build hybrid images)[10:00:32] <Duggan> so I ran configure again, but with no options[10:00:38] <Duggan> now it generates to the "generated" directory[10:00:46] <Duggan> but it does build[10:00:54] <Duggan> its just what I'm building now isn't running[10:00:58] <cpr420> ok, so replace generated-gcc2 with generated[10:03:23] <kurain> I am going to buy a ticket[10:03:41] <Duggan> all that to get "bash: LIBRARY_PATH: command not found" lol[10:03:49] <Duggan> prefix with $?[10:03:53] <cpr420> no[10:04:43] <cpr420> it should've worked(aside from my typo and the path changes)[10:04:51] <Duggan> I got the typo[10:05:23] <cpr420> hmm, did you put spaces by the equal sign or something?[10:05:27] <Duggan> ok got it[10:05:36] <Duggan> yeah, bad coding habit I guess... fixed it though[10:05:57] *** saivert has joined #haiku[10:06:06] <Duggan> that worked[10:06:43] <Duggan> thanks, cpr420[10:06:47] <cpr420> np[10:09:37] <CIA-49> wim * r37366 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/print/drivers/pcl5/ (PCL5.cpp PCL5.h PCL5Cap.cpp PCL5Cap.h PCL5Entry.cpp): Style cleanup.[10:10:41] *** CK|iPod has quit IRC[10:17:58] *** marc_smith has joined #haiku[10:18:40] <Duggan> wb marc_smith[10:18:48] <Duggan> man, there really is some documentation that needs to be done...[10:18:55] <Duggan> BColumnListView isn't even documented[10:20:14] <marc_smith> hello Duggan. I'm on a haiku lived now, but the darn thing doesn't want to install, so I got to use USB[10:20:22] <marc_smith> rebooting to bsd, brb[10:20:34] *** marc_smith has quit IRC[10:21:06] *** OmniMancer1 has quit IRC[10:22:55] <Duggan> damned thing... now its displaying differently...[10:23:58] *** saivert has quit IRC[10:26:07] *** Blub\0 has quit IRC[10:26:07] *** tic has quit IRC[10:26:08] *** tic has joined #haiku[10:26:10] *** Blub\0 has joined #haiku[10:26:33] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[10:31:06] *** saivert has joined #haiku[10:34:02] *** luroh has joined #haiku[10:35:23] *** Malmis has quit IRC[10:36:00] <Xeon3D> Duggan, need help?[10:38:38] <Duggan> just messing around with #3036[10:38:42] *** CK|iPod has joined #haiku[10:39:41] <Duggan> the problem originates in BColumnListView and isn't isolated to just DriveSetup[10:43:42] <Duggan> haha thats funny.... the guy that wrote the class was working on the same problem[10:43:56] <dru345> mhmm[10:44:04] <dru345> hi Xeon3D o/[10:44:11] <dru345> 'lo OmniMancer \o[10:45:33] <OmniMancer> hi[10:45:37] <Duggan> hey OmniMancer[10:50:15] <Duggan> well thats no fun... "see OutlineView::FixScrollBar for a more in depth explanation" except there is no "OutlineView"...[10:51:15] *** korli has joined #haiku[10:51:15] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o korli[10:51:22] <cpr420> src/kits/interface/ColumnListView.cpp:4261[10:54:21] <Duggan> damn...[10:55:41] <Duggan> where the hell are the headers stored?[10:56:13] <cpr420> you can use the opengrok server(or install cscope/global) to do those lookups[10:56:28] <dru345> opengrok here - http://haiku.it.su.se:8180/source/[10:56:38] <Duggan> thanks...[11:09:13] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[11:12:19] *** CK|iPod has quit IRC[11:12:58] <CIA-49> korli * r37367 /buildtools/vendor/gcc/current/ (7653 files in 1607 dirs): Updating GCC current to GCC 4.4.4.[11:14:18] <CIA-49> korli * r37368 /buildtools/vendor/gcc/4.4.4/: Tagging GCC 4.4.4.[11:14:42] <Ziusudra> heh, just noticed another bug, when DriveSetup rescans the vertical scrollbar shrinks[11:15:24] <Ziusudra> looks like it adds to the view size without first resetting it[11:15:32] *** christoph has joined #haiku[11:15:44] <Duggan> I see, you should report it[11:15:46] *** christoph has left #haiku[11:15:50] <Duggan> I may get to that if I can figure this out first lol[11:16:14] <Duggan> btw, its not problems with DriveSetup, its problems with the control that the information is displayed in[11:19:46] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[11:19:48] *** Malmis has joined #haiku[11:20:17] <Duggan> really don't know what this Latch stuff is...[11:31:13] <Duggan> ok, I figured it out I think...[11:32:58] <CIA-49> jackburton * r37369 /haiku/trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs):[11:32:58] <CIA-49> Use the Bfont object to discriminate between fonts (as in Dano)[11:32:58] <CIA-49> and not just size and code. Style cleanups.[11:32:59] <Ziusudra> ah, there's already a ticket http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/3897[11:34:35] *** marc_smith has joined #haiku[11:35:06] *** brobostigon has joined #haiku[11:35:25] <marc_smith> just installed Haiku again natively and may I say this: WOW. Haiku is growing SO FAST. I got locales available in some apps, everything just works.[11:35:40] <brobostigon> morning all.[11:36:00] *** AlexFera has joined #haiku[11:36:03] <marc_smith> hello brobostigon[11:36:23] <brobostigon> morning marc_smith[11:37:59] *** strohi has joined #haiku[11:39:15] *** tqh has quit IRC[11:42:01] *** Ziusudra has quit IRC[11:42:33] *** Shisui has joined #haiku[11:44:18] <Duggan> alrighty, got it uploaded for your criticizing pleasure[11:46:04] <Duggan> anybody care to gander at #3036 and tell me what I did wrong? lol[11:48:57] *** luroh has quit IRC[11:51:05] *** luroh has joined #haiku[12:07:25] *** largo has quit IRC[12:09:00] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[12:11:51] *** Ingenu has joined #haiku[12:21:03] <CIA-49> wim * r37370 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/print/drivers/pcl6/ (14 files): Style cleanup.[12:21:05] <marc_smith> boo, my shortcuts don't work[12:21:15] <marc_smith> do I have to specify a full path?[12:24:14] <OmniMancer> to?[12:24:15] *** oco has joined #haiku[12:24:48] <marc_smith> Terminsal[12:24:56] <marc_smith> I'd like to bind it to F2 ky[12:24:58] <marc_smith> key[12:25:30] <OmniMancer> hmm[12:25:44] <OmniMancer> its already bound to winkey + altkey + t[12:26:03] <OmniMancer> but only in tracker[12:26:03] <marc_smith> hmm, It doesn't show in the Shortcuts, so I guess it is a system bind[12:26:16] <OmniMancer> and it works in context[12:26:21] <OmniMancer> its a tracker addon[12:26:21] <marc_smith> is there any way I can override it?[12:26:27] <marc_smith> aaah[12:26:29] <OmniMancer> shrug[12:26:29] <marc_smith> hmm[12:26:41] <OmniMancer> you shall use that one for it is useful![12:26:49] <OmniMancer> none of you f2 nonsense :P[12:27:04] <gluon> yeah, opt + alt + t works in tracker but I'd like to make a 'global' shortcut to launch terminal[12:27:07] <marc_smith> lol[12:27:18] <marc_smith> exactly, gluon[12:28:04] <Xeon3D> gluon why not open a launchbar at the bottom of the screen (like a dock) and add a terminal shortcut there?[12:28:15] <OmniMancer> you shall stop liking to do that at once![12:28:23] <gluon> Xeon3D: because I'm a mouse hater :P[12:28:26] <marc_smith> and F2 is not a nonsense - it's something I always use[12:28:27] <Xeon3D> heh[12:28:43] <marc_smith> yeah, I used to go with kbd shortcuts too[12:28:47] <OmniMancer> gluon: well go back to your terminal only hole with no graphics![12:29:07] <gluon> OmniMancer: that makes no sense, I like GUI[12:29:09] <OmniMancer> marc_smith: then its easy, stop using it[12:29:12] <marc_smith> OmniMancer: do you have 'Mein Kampf" already?[12:29:19] <gluon> GUI keyboard shortcuts make sense[12:29:33] <gluon> in fact, haiku is full of them[12:29:35] <OmniMancer> gluon: never using a mouse ever makes no sense[12:29:51] <gluon> I never said that :)[12:30:32] <gluon> it makes sense to use a mouse while editing a picture for instance[12:30:38] <marc_smith> we all like to click on the tiny pixels on a huge screen using mouse. That's so brilliant[12:30:54] <gluon> but it shouldn't be mandatory to use a mouse to launch an app[12:31:28] <gluon> above all, everyone is different and a good environment will account for that[12:31:31] <marc_smith> I am not a mouse hater, I just like to have a choice[12:31:42] <gluon> leaving up to the user whether he uses the mouse or the keyboard[12:31:44] <gluon> or both[12:31:47] <marc_smith> a balance between kbd and mouse[12:31:53] <gluon> right[12:32:01] <OmniMancer> it shouldn't be mandatory to not use a mouse either, which is where people like you usually go[12:32:23] <gluon> OmniMancer: not my case[12:32:28] <gluon> I use the mouse a lot[12:32:34] <marc_smith> stop this eristic nonsense, OmniMancer. Nobody's forcing you to use kbd exclusively ;)[12:32:36] <gluon> maybe I've picked the wrong word[12:32:56] <gluon> I'm not a mouse hater, I hate to not have an option[12:33:05] *** dru345 is now known as away345[12:33:33] <OmniMancer> :P[12:33:37] <gluon> OmniMancer: I'm a plan9 user by the way :P[12:33:39] <OmniMancer> I am stirring troublr[12:33:41] <gluon> so I can't be a mouse hater[12:34:11] <marc_smith> I think I'd go with joystick then![12:34:16] <gluon> lol[12:34:19] <marc_smith> ha![12:34:28] <OmniMancer> :P[12:34:29] <marc_smith> Fire1 = terminal[12:34:32] <OmniMancer> no[12:34:40] <OmniMancer> a console controller :P[12:34:45] <marc_smith> yeah, hehe[12:34:54] <gluon> steering wheel and pedals[12:35:00] <marc_smith> yeah, haah[12:35:03] <OmniMancer> why do people prefer those for fpses :([12:35:08] <marc_smith> that would be a wiiilld ride[12:35:22] <marc_smith> I prefer not to play games[12:36:11] <marc_smith> [turn right = MediaPlayer, gass pedal = WebPositive][12:37:01] <gluon> lol[12:37:38] <OmniMancer> what is up up down down laft right laft right b a ?[12:37:45] <marc_smith> you know what's really cool? in Haiku touchpad works right after first boot, no configs required[12:37:54] <OmniMancer> yes[12:38:02] <OmniMancer> it even dous multitouch[12:38:05] <marc_smith> I as like shocked when I first booted in on my netbook[12:38:05] <OmniMancer> does[12:38:09] <marc_smith> yes[12:38:12] <marc_smith> amazing[12:38:18] <marc_smith> was[12:38:31] *** AlexFera has quit IRC[12:38:51] <Duggan> behold, I returneth[12:38:59] <Xeon3D> wb Duggan[12:39:21] <gluon> when I first booted haiku it even automatically connected to an unencrypted wifi network and I able to surf the web right away :P[12:39:54] <marc_smith> nice[12:40:00] <marc_smith> I didn't have that much luck[12:40:05] <marc_smith> but my WLan card IS detected[12:40:09] <Duggan> danke Xeon3D[12:40:53] <marc_smith> and btw - does Haiku support WPA2 already, or is it your WiFi unprotected, gluon?[12:40:56] <Duggan> when I first booted BeOS it autodetected all my hardware and everything worked perfectly... I was hooked[12:41:03] <gluon> no WPA2[12:41:05] <gluon> only WEP[12:41:10] <marc_smith> k[12:41:22] <marc_smith> that explains why I didn't get a connection right after reboot[12:41:23] <Duggan> linux of the same timeframe?...... vomit.[12:41:27] <marc_smith> I use wpa2[12:41:37] <gluon> it was someone else's unprotected wifi marc_smith lol[12:41:41] <marc_smith> yeah, linux was and mostly is a crap[12:41:48] <marc_smith> aaah, lol[12:41:55] <gluon> I use WPA2 too[12:42:58] <marc_smith> hmm, MediaPlayer does somsething weird to my mp3s - I here a 'drilling' from time to time[12:43:10] <marc_smith> probobly sound drivers[12:43:15] <gluon> doesn't happen to me[12:43:16] <gluon> maybe[12:43:42] <Duggan> thats the timebar moving, oil it every few songs and it won't happen[12:43:44] <marc_smith> speakers are fine, so I guess it's driver[12:43:59] <marc_smith> yeah, Duggan , hehe[12:44:11] <Duggan> hehe[12:44:28] <marc_smith> I tried to push the bar using force, but it didn't work[12:44:56] <Duggan> nah its got a bunch of reduction gears in its innards, wouldn't do you much good to do that[12:45:10] <OmniMancer> marc_smith: you mean a staticy hissing or repetition of samples ?[12:45:11] <gluon> what happens to me is this: http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/5839[12:45:21] <marc_smith> hmm, you're probobly right. Well, I guess I'll have to open that beast up![12:45:32] <Duggan> gluon thats a metadata issue[12:45:36] <marc_smith> OmniMancer: I wish I could know[12:45:52] <Duggan> ntfs doesn't have the same metadata to identify files that haiku does (and relies on)[12:45:56] <OmniMancer> marc_smith: wpa2 will hopefully be soon, wpa supplicant is blocked by a kernel issue[12:45:58] <marc_smith> it just dsounded like a drilling[12:46:34] <Duggan> extensions in haiku are frivilous(sp?) frivel... f...[12:46:45] <gluon> yeah[12:47:08] <OmniMancer> the mime type sniffer doesn't seem to work on ntfs stuff anymore :/[12:47:36] <OmniMancer> even if the mime type isn't stored it should still be detectable[12:47:45] <Duggan> no, but as soon as they commit it, the scrollbar in drivesetup will work right XD[12:48:00] <gluon> Duggan: is there a way to overide? I mean, forcing an app to open a file even if there's no metadata about the file type available?[12:48:14] <Duggan> I'd say just copy it over[12:48:17] <OmniMancer> no[12:48:24] <OmniMancer> not as far as I know[12:48:27] <marc_smith> w00t, I has ze calendahr![12:48:37] <marc_smith> j/k, but never noticed it's there[12:48:39] <OmniMancer> vlc might open it for you though[12:48:43] <Duggan> theres a calendar!?[12:48:53] <marc_smith> yeah! go and see for yourself! lol[12:48:58] <Duggan> oh snap! a calendar![12:49:16] <marc_smith> now I can go to work like uhm, everyday![12:49:31] <Duggan> you have fun with that, I'm enjoying sitting on my ass everyday[12:49:37] <Duggan> of course money would be nice...[12:49:44] <marc_smith> not really, not working now[12:49:57] <Duggan> thats ok, nobody else is either[12:49:59] <marc_smith> that was like an uber joke[12:50:00] <marc_smith> heheh[12:50:31] <Duggan> gluon my best suggestion is to copy it to a bfs partition[12:50:36] <OmniMancer> yay holiday for another week[12:50:40] *** peerkoel has quit IRC[12:51:25] <Duggan> I'm really eager to be shot down for my patch to #3036 ... wanna know why I can't do what I did to fix it and I'm sure theres a reason... lol[12:51:32] <gluon> Duggan: yeah, I've been doing that for a while now.[12:51:56] <marc_smith> holidays are cool unless you have to go to some foreign country and waste your time on excersizing, swimming and stuff[12:52:08] <Duggan> who does that? :/[12:52:13] <marc_smith> I don't know![12:52:18] <Duggan> swimming is cool don't get me wrong...[12:52:18] <marc_smith> but I heard they do it[12:52:33] <Duggan> I have some friends going to honduras for a couple weeks[12:52:48] <Duggan> just to swim[12:52:49] <Duggan> lol[12:52:50] <marc_smith> I wonder if there's malaria in Honduras?[12:53:02] *** away345 has quit IRC[12:53:17] <marc_smith> or whatever is the name of this illness[12:53:25] <Duggan> you got it right lol[12:53:35] <marc_smith> cool[12:53:38] <Duggan> well, malaria *IS* an illness, not sure if its the one you're after though[12:54:03] <marc_smith> does it come from the water, or is it brought by the insects?[12:54:17] <OmniMancer> mosquitoes[12:54:19] <marc_smith> can't recall[12:54:21] <Duggan> both... carried by mosquitos that breed in stagnant water[12:54:25] <marc_smith> oh, so I was right[12:54:41] <OmniMancer> not caught from water though[12:54:45] <marc_smith> ok[12:54:56] <marc_smith> I was thinking of people drinking that water[12:55:03] <Duggan> not specifically, but to combat malaria the settlers drained alot of the swamps to cut down on the mosquito population[12:55:06] <gluon> water helps mosquitoes breeding, then they byte infected people and carry the illness[12:55:06] <marc_smith> not the mosquitos, but it's ok.[12:55:26] <Duggan> marc_smith thats dysintery[12:55:32] <marc_smith> aaah, ok[12:55:46] <marc_smith> you never know what you're gonna learn on an IT IRC channel![12:55:48] <Duggan> and cholera[12:56:09] <marc_smith> I wish there could be an app called 'malaria'[12:56:18] <Duggan> IT channel anywhere... you should have seen some of the conversations I've had in P1 on yahoo chat[12:56:23] <Duggan> (Programming:1)[12:56:33] <marc_smith> Pl?[12:56:34] <Duggan> marc_smith there can! as soon as you write it...[12:56:48] <Duggan> marc_smith Programming:1[12:56:49] *** AlexLibman has joined #haiku[12:56:52] <marc_smith> aaa, ok[12:57:07] <marc_smith> Duggan: I'm no programmer[12:57:33] <marc_smith> I compile some stuff, custom kernels, embedded setups, but I don't code[12:57:37] <Duggan> me either, I'm a codesmith[12:57:55] <marc_smith> codesmith! sounds great[12:58:03] <Duggan> sounded better after the "I'm no programmer" comment[12:58:19] <marc_smith> ok then, a coder[12:58:24] <marc_smith> english is not my primary lang[12:58:31] <Duggan> hehe[12:58:35] <kurain> may i join you marc_smith and duggan[12:58:41] <Duggan> feel free[12:58:43] <marc_smith> sure[12:58:44] <Duggan> greetings, kurain[12:58:54] <kurain> great,[12:59:18] <kurain> what is the whether there , duggan[12:59:19] <raichoo> I'm a caffein to software converter[12:59:25] <marc_smith> Duggan was just laughing at my lingo, and I was responding with the same laugh[12:59:28] <gluon> marc_smith: dengue is another dangerous disease carried by mosquitoes which is wide spread thoughout the tropics[13:00:01] <marc_smith> dengue? never heard of it[13:00:09] <gluon> dengue fever[13:00:15] <Duggan> here? its eh.... partly cloudy I think[13:00:23] <gluon> marc_smith: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dengue[13:00:48] <Duggan> I've always been rather fond of the black death[13:00:55] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[13:00:59] *** peerkoel has joined #haiku[13:01:24] <marc_smith> hmm, WebPositive died on my hands[13:01:30] <marc_smith> don't go, you bastard![13:01:38] <Duggan> don't go into the light![13:01:44] <marc_smith> too late[13:01:52] <Duggan> sucks.... it locked me up the other day[13:01:56] * Xeon3D preparing to mess his arch install[13:02:07] <marc_smith> Arch? Arch Linux?[13:02:29] <Xeon3D> yup[13:02:43] <Auronandace> theres an arch hurd project too[13:02:54] <Xeon3D> ewww hurd[13:02:54] <Xeon3D> lol[13:03:04] <marc_smith> I also have this installed and it's - by far - the best linux distro I've ever use, although I don't like linux[13:03:08] <Duggan> lol just had a conversation about that a few hours ago[13:03:21] <marc_smith> yeah, gnu hurd and stuff[13:03:27] <gluon> archlinux user too[13:03:29] <Duggan> I don't like linux, but used suse when I did[13:03:43] <Duggan> when I used it, not when I liked it.... never liked it[13:03:45] <marc_smith> arch linux reminds me of bsds which I definitely like[13:03:54] <gluon> right[13:04:33] <gluon> gentoo and archlinux were both inspired by BSD's, namely the frugal init system, rather than the bloated system V[13:04:44] <marc_smith> I used to install it on workstations, desktops. Ubuntu and Co. works ok but if something breaks ... well, that's a hell[13:04:53] <marc_smith> true, gluon[13:05:00] <marc_smith> i love rc.conf/rc/local[13:05:07] <marc_smith> so simple, yet so powerful[13:05:10] <gluon> :D[13:05:51] <marc_smith> darn it! rc.conf AND rc.local[13:05:56] <gluon> pacman is also a great package manager and ABS together with the AUR community is perfect[13:05:57] <Duggan> haiku kicks linux's ass all over the mainframe... except haiku doesn't run on mainframes.... yet... but that just makes it even more badass[13:06:13] <marc_smith> lol[13:07:25] <Duggan> haiku is the infant Chuck Norris of operating systems[13:07:29] <marc_smith> pacman is cool but I can't say it never broke on me. I had to force it to uprade many times[13:07:48] <marc_smith> haiku is the sh#t![13:07:51] <gluon> marc_smith: do you use the testing repo?[13:07:56] <marc_smith> the ultimate killerrrr[13:08:03] <marc_smith> no, gluon[13:08:14] <marc_smith> just default stuff with extra[13:08:32] <gluon> then there should be no such problems, weird[13:08:33] *** Vroomfondle has joined #haiku[13:08:38] <marc_smith> yep[13:08:38] <gluon> anyway, haiku is the deal![13:08:48] <kurain> agree gluon[13:08:48] <marc_smith> but ... I forgot to say I don't upgrade it too often[13:08:56] <Auronandace> i've had no problems with arch[13:09:04] <Duggan> thats why I had so many problems trying to compile it for so long.... jam just looked at it and spontaneously combusted[13:09:18] <gluon> lol[13:09:19] <marc_smith> heheh[13:09:20] <kurain> but if haiku could update itself, it should be more better[13:09:33] <marc_smith> yeah, but no autoupdates[13:09:35] <marc_smith> please[13:09:54] <marc_smith> no blinking 'update or die!' balloons[13:09:59] <marc_smith> d'oh![13:10:23] <Auronandace> yeah, i prefer to choose to update than it do it automatically[13:10:24] <Duggan> thats usually malware from porn sites, might want to invest in norton or something[13:10:40] <marc_smith> ehehe[13:10:48] <marc_smith> fortunately I am not that ignorant[13:10:53] <Duggan> lol[13:11:09] <CIA-49> korli * r37371 /buildtools/trunk/gcc/ (6995 files in 1451 dirs): Merging GCC 4.4.4 in trunk.[13:11:25] <marc_smith> I am not ZE MASTER OF SECURITY though[13:11:27] <Auronandace> security is a process, not a product[13:11:32] <marc_smith> exactly[13:11:36] <marc_smith> Schneirer says![13:11:40] <marc_smith> Schneier[13:11:41] <marc_smith> ;)[13:12:04] <kurain> as we all know that haiku is designed for end user, so autoupdate is necessary one day[13:12:20] <Auronandace> make it optional[13:12:22] <marc_smith> probobly. Just let them choose[13:12:28] <marc_smith> yeah[13:12:39] <Duggan> I don't even let windows install crap without me knowing about it[13:12:55] <gluon> users like to have the right to choose :)[13:12:57] <kurain> right , but it should auto check for update info[13:12:58] <marc_smith> yep, I used to turn the thing off and do it manually[13:13:01] <marc_smith> just hot fixes[13:13:05] <Duggan> gluon thats how haiku came about[13:13:14] <gluon> yap[13:13:39] <Duggan> I'm gonna fork Haiku and call it ChuckNorrisOS[13:13:45] <marc_smith> lol[13:13:56] <kurain> if it can't auto check that, most end user won't check that[13:14:04] <Duggan> because I'm afraid if I don't it'll kick my ass[13:14:10] <marc_smith> There will be no tracker. What you'll find instead would be a CHUCKER[13:14:17] <Duggan> lol yeah[13:14:19] <Xeon3D> anyone familiar with linux kernels?[13:14:35] <marc_smith> I use to avoid mess[13:14:41] <marc_smith> I don't like mess[13:14:54] <kurain> what about haiku kernel[13:15:06] <marc_smith> not digging that deep[13:15:10] <Duggan> and instead of a desktop you'll have a PUNCHINTHEFACE![13:15:10] <Xeon3D> i was wondering if one could apply both the -rt and the -ck patches to the same kernel.[13:15:12] <kurain> anyone familiar with[13:15:51] <Duggan> can't help you there Xeon3D[13:16:19] <Duggan> kurain with what?[13:16:40] <kurain> if haiku could appear earlier, it should be the sky of haiku today instead of linux[13:16:52] <kurain> with kernel[13:17:05] *** Megaf has quit IRC[13:17:23] <Duggan> oh, probably not, I only know what I've picked up about it from the site[13:18:15] <kurain> for there are few documents there, so it is not easier for us to dig in the kernel of haiku[13:19:11] <marc_smith> haiku must be an evil corp then. They will rule the world[13:19:24] <marc_smith> with their closed-source kernel![13:19:26] <gluon> Xeon3D: usually there's nothing wrong with applying multiple patch sets into the kernel, however I'm not sure those two will merge well together, you'll probably get some conflicts[13:19:32] <kurain> are there any people that interested in haiku's kernel[13:20:07] <Xeon3D> gluon, so I thought. :/[13:20:33] <kurain> you push gluon out[13:20:42] <gluon> kurain: I am, but still reading about the Be API[13:20:45] <marc_smith> IIRC haiku kernel is not exqactly a microkernel, but a hybrid[13:20:52] <Duggan> kurain yes, the best way to learn about it is to study it directly... if there were more documentation maybe that would be better but unfortunately there's not[13:21:08] *** Megaf has joined #haiku[13:21:18] <Duggan> marc_smith thats debatable... trust me, I've been involved in those debates[13:21:49] <marc_smith> is it about the definition only?[13:21:58] <kurain> the same with me , gluon[13:22:12] <Duggan> more or less[13:22:51] <Duggan> my personal understanding is that it may have some hybrid qualities, but its still more microkernel than that[13:23:24] *** AlexLibman has quit IRC[13:23:32] <gluon> I find the API quite elegant since it's OO C++[13:23:35] <kurain> but I have joined a code competition, need to port the bootloader and kernel to a sort of cpi[13:23:47] <Duggan> gluon yes its the best api I've ever seen[13:24:11] <Duggan> kurain good luck with that :/[13:24:13] <kurain> some body can give some advice to that[13:24:36] <kurain> for i don't know where to start[13:25:24] <HeTo> it's not a microkernel[13:26:00] <HeTo> call it hybrid if you want, everyone knows that just means a monolithic kernel, anyway[13:26:36] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[13:26:42] <kurain> anybody could give some help, or some helping direction[13:27:02] <Duggan> kurain study the source, thats the only help I can give you[13:27:24] <gluon> I agree with Duggan[13:27:25] <kurain> you drop me in to a deep hole[13:27:26] <Duggan> I haven't worked on the kernel and I've never undertaken such a project, but best of luck with it[13:27:34] <gluon> I have no clue[13:27:54] <Duggan> kurain don't expect porting the bootloader and kernel to be a simple process[13:28:07] *** largo has joined #haiku[13:28:17] <kurain> i have got the kernel source ,but still don't where to begin[13:28:43] <Duggan> where do all programs begin?[13:29:02] <Duggan> try starting with main()[13:29:09] <kurain> it is not a simple process, it is a mips based process, loongson cpu[13:29:36] <HeTo> I doubt there's a main in the kernel or boot loader, and even if there is, a lot of stuff has happened before that[13:29:46] <kurain> but for kernel, no main()[13:30:00] <HeTo> start or _start are much more likely labels[13:30:11] <Duggan> no but I did see a... main2()?... _main2() something like that[13:31:39] <kurain> I have read the bootloader, saw the mips folder, but the codes there are not completed[13:32:25] <Duggan> yep, _start() and main2()[13:32:36] *** Mixer has quit IRC[13:32:58] <Duggan> kurain have you studied OSD at all?[13:33:15] <kurain> OSD, what is that?[13:33:29] <Duggan> operating system development[13:34:03] *** Beyecixramd has joined #haiku[13:34:17] <kurain> nop, I have a teacher help[13:34:36] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[13:34:41] <kurain> but for now he is busy, so i have to explore myself[13:35:14] *** adriano-src has joined #haiku[13:35:20] *** tqh has joined #haiku[13:35:33] <Duggan> well look through the source and try to find where all the execution starts, thats probably a good place to begin[13:35:54] <Duggan> if you can find one of the devs maybe they can give you more information but I think you're asking for more than you think you are[13:36:07] *** michaelvo has joined #haiku[13:36:10] <kurain> yes, duggan[13:36:23] <Duggan> you have a huge task ahead of you[13:36:31] <CIA-49> korli * r37372 /buildtools/vendor/mpfr/current/ (449 files in 4 dirs): Updating mpfr current to mpfr 3.0.0.[13:36:49] <kurain> a week later , i will get my devs that haiku kernel is porting to[13:37:15] <CIA-49> korli * r37373 /buildtools/vendor/mpfr/3.0.0/: Tagging MPFR 3.0.0[13:37:26] <kurain> for now i have to make a clear plan[13:38:04] <Duggan> you're going to need alot more than a week[13:38:32] <kurain> right, and the time is about half a year to finish proting[13:39:10] <Duggan> like I said, start studying the code, that's your best bet[13:39:14] <kurain> I think it is enough, for i just do porting not designing[13:40:06] <Duggan> brb[13:40:37] *** Mixer has quit IRC[13:40:57] <kurain> there will not be much changing when porting.[13:41:37] <kurain> as you say, great challenge, much job to do[13:42:21] *** kurain has quit IRC[13:43:12] *** AlexFera has joined #haiku[13:44:11] *** raichoo has quit IRC[13:44:56] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[13:46:07] *** Ola has joined #haiku[13:46:29] *** Ola is now known as OlaHughson[13:46:36] *** kurain__ has joined #haiku[13:49:27] <Duggan> hey mmadia[13:49:47] *** ragcsi- has joined #haiku[13:51:12] <Duggan> well its 7am and I'm off to bed... l8r all[13:52:41] *** ragcsi has quit IRC[13:56:26] <Xeon3D> bye Duggan[13:56:41] <kurain__> bye duggan[13:58:41] *** marc_smith has quit IRC[14:03:08] *** marc_smith has joined #haiku[14:13:54] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[14:30:29] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[14:32:48] <CIA-49> korli * r37374 /buildtools/vendor/gmp/current/ (1482 files in 105 dirs): Updating GMP current to GMP 5.0.1[14:33:25] <CIA-49> korli * r37375 /buildtools/vendor/gmp/5.0.1/: Tagging GMP 5.0.1.[14:35:54] *** Mixer has quit IRC[14:36:24] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[14:36:51] *** Geoz has joined #haiku[14:42:25] *** Mixer has quit IRC[14:43:42] <CIA-49> wim * r37376 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/print/drivers/postscript/ (13 files): Style cleanup.[14:45:24] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[14:51:23] *** adriano-src has quit IRC[14:53:15] *** marowit has quit IRC[14:57:52] *** adriano-src has joined #haiku[14:58:27] *** adriano-src has quit IRC[15:19:32] *** Barrett has quit IRC[15:25:59] *** marc_smith has quit IRC[15:26:37] *** michaelvo has quit IRC[15:32:48] <mmadia> total net donations in 2010 : ($4896, €532) *this includes CafePress & GoogleCheckout. so far no donations from AmazonPayments.[15:33:08] * Xeon3D will bb[15:33:14] * Xeon3D will brb *[15:37:46] *** Mixer has quit IRC[15:38:16] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[15:41:03] *** l_n has quit IRC[15:43:13] <CIA-49> mmu_man * r37377 /haiku/trunk/headers/posix/arch/ (arm/fenv.h ppc/fenv.h): include sys/cdefs.h to hopefully fix building the cross tools for arm & ppc.[15:48:21] *** Mixer has quit IRC[15:48:38] *** Alam_Squeeze has quit IRC[15:48:53] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[15:51:46] *** Xbertl has joined #haiku[15:54:12] <OmniMancer> night[15:54:44] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[15:56:03] *** kurain__ has quit IRC[15:56:29] *** kurain__ has joined #haiku[15:56:54] *** Mixer has quit IRC[15:57:39] *** 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http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=44455 ).[17:19:44] <CIA-49> * merged mpfr 3.0.0 and gmp 5.0.1 in buildtools trunk[17:20:53] *** Mixer has quit IRC[17:21:15] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[17:32:44] *** AlexFera has quit IRC[17:34:44] *** AlexFera has joined #haiku[17:37:15] *** Mixer has quit IRC[17:37:53] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[17:39:16] *** bubsy has quit IRC[17:39:38] *** korli has quit IRC[17:39:54] *** marc_smith has joined #haiku[17:40:39] *** bradley_ has quit IRC[17:41:42] *** bubsy has joined #haiku[17:43:53] *** Mixer has quit IRC[17:44:21] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[17:45:24] *** Ziusudra has joined #haiku[17:50:21] *** Mixer has quit IRC[17:50:58] *** kurain___ has left #haiku[17:52:38] *** bradley_ has joined #haiku[17:54:16] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[17:55:12] *** adriano-src has joined #haiku[17:58:02] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[18:01:08] <xray7224> where is the code for installoptionalpackage, ive looked but can't see it ?[18:02:33] <cnuke> xray7224: less `which installoptinalpackage`[18:03:08] <xray7224> wouldn't that return the address for the binary ?[18:03:17] <xray7224> not address but path rather[18:03:25] <cnuke> indeed[18:03:25] *** Ziusudra has quit IRC[18:03:29] <PovAddict> who says it's a "binary"? :P[18:03:36] <cnuke> but it is not a binary :)[18:03:43] <xray7224> its not a binary ?[18:03:50] <xray7224> ooo, that makes so much sense now xD[18:05:02] <humdinger> If you're looking for something in the trunk, http://haiku.it.su.se:8180/source/ is a great help otherwise.[18:06:25] *** LoganA has joined #haiku[18:07:25] <PovAddict> what is anyboot?[18:08:09] <humdinger> PovAddict: It's a bootable image you can either burn on CD or put on a USB stick.[18:08:09] <mmadia> xray7224 lpe `which installoptionalpackage`[18:08:16] <xray7224> i got it :P thanks[18:08:22] <PovAddict> is there documentation about it?[18:08:35] <humdinger> about anyboot?[18:09:23] <mmadia> possibly on guides or haiku-files.org/anyboot[18:09:25] <PovAddict> why you can't just copy an iso into USB, and how anyboot manages what it does, etc[18:09:34] <PovAddict> not just how to install from one :P[18:11:07] *** iway has quit IRC[18:11:33] <humdinger> PovAddict: Maybe this provides some tiny insight: http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/35667[18:13:11] <mmadia> the ISO is meant to be burned to a phsyical disc.[18:13:55] <mmadia> it's an actual iso9660 + an overlay filesystem, as opposed to a pure BFS partition.[18:14:18] <PovAddict> nice, just puts both an el-torito record and a MBR[18:14:21] *** Xbertl has joined #haiku[18:14:48] <mmadia> xray7224 : what's the interest in installoptionalpackage? :)[18:15:03] <PovAddict> wow[18:15:14] <PovAddict> I'm downloading r1alpha2 via torrents[18:15:23] <PovAddict> hitting my max possible ISP speed[18:15:39] <humdinger> PovAddict: And the anyboot thingy is really working. The only way I can install on this netbook.[18:15:58] <humdinger> I tried to just dd an image, boot that refuses to boot...[18:16:21] <PovAddict> nice, the torrent has HTTP mirrors too[18:16:21] <humdinger> *but...[18:16:49] <PovAddict> but looks like it only downloaded 12MB from them, most download is just from very fast seeds :)[18:17:10] *** dru345 has joined #haiku[18:20:43] *** Shisui has quit IRC[18:27:12] *** kurain___ has joined #haiku[18:31:31] *** raichoo has quit IRC[18:35:43] <CIA-49> korli * r37379 /buildtools/trunk/gcc/gcc/ginclude/stddef.h: Don't define ssize_t for Haiku in GCC4, the next commit will define it in Haiku headers (see also #5719).[18:36:40] <xray7224> i think C hates me[18:37:26] <CIA-49> korli * r37380 /haiku/trunk/headers/posix/size_t.h: Define ssize_t in Haiku headers when building with GCC4 (see also #5719). This could imply a conflict with old gcc4 Haiku builds.[18:38:04] *** PasNox has quit IRC[18:52:00] *** humdinger has quit IRC[18:52:12] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[18:54:22] *** raichoo has joined #haiku[18:58:00] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[19:00:57] *** raichoo has quit IRC[19:02:47] *** sprma has joined #haiku[19:04:22] *** PovAddict has quit IRC[19:05:01] *** PovAddict has joined #haiku[19:05:59] *** Mixer has quit IRC[19:06:27] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[19:07:20] *** lorglas has joined #haiku[19:08:44] <Disreali> yay! clang patches[19:09:07] * Disreali svn up's[19:09:23] *** brobostigon has quit IRC[19:10:48] <xray7224> ugh, what is with this stderr in Pe ?[19:13:10] *** Duggan has quit IRC[19:30:54] *** Malmis has joined #haiku[19:36:31] *** Malmis has quit IRC[19:36:47] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[19:44:59] <gluon> did you press alt + enter?[19:47:53] *** korli has joined #haiku[19:47:54] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o korli[19:49:16] <Disreali> hey korli. thanks for the ssize_t changes.[19:50:49] *** Mixer has quit IRC[19:52:48] *** HavokMalo has joined #haiku[19:52:56] *** HavokMalo has left #haiku[19:53:26] <Disreali> doh! 37380 failed[19:54:35] <mmadia> gonna need a GCC 4.4.4 native binary. :|[19:57:04] <korli> mmadia: I think so, I'm looking at fixing the gcc4.4.4 native build[20:03:15] *** Malmis has joined #haiku[20:07:25] *** l_n has joined #haiku[20:09:24] *** xray7224 has quit IRC[20:15:19] *** saivert has quit IRC[20:15:21] *** MrSunshine_ has joined #haiku[20:17:03] *** MrSunshine__ has quit IRC[20:18:54] *** l_n has quit IRC[20:19:26] *** Andrius has quit IRC[20:21:58] *** saivert has joined #haiku[20:26:54] *** saivert has quit IRC[20:27:06] *** MrSunshine__ has joined #haiku[20:29:44] *** MrSunshine_ has quit IRC[20:32:47] *** saivert has joined #haiku[20:34:35] *** MrSunshine__ has quit IRC[20:41:53] *** CyberKitsune has joined #haiku[20:42:44] *** PovAddict has quit IRC[20:42:52] *** AlexFera has quit IRC[20:45:30] *** PovAddict has joined #haiku[20:50:12] *** bbjimmy has joined #haiku[20:51:31] *** tqh has quit IRC[20:52:48] *** Hubert_ has quit IRC[20:52:56] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[20:55:11] <lorglas> hello[20:59:20] <marc_smith> I wonder if haiku devs plan to use pcc or other compiler in the future[20:59:22] <marc_smith> ?[20:59:40] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[20:59:49] <geist> i doubt it but i dont know[21:00:05] <marc_smith> hmm, that would be a good move IMHO[21:00:38] <marc_smith> you know - licensing stuff, dependance from the linux land[21:00:56] *** Mixer has quit IRC[21:01:53] <CIA-49> zooey * r37381 /haiku/branches/developer/zooey/posix-locale/ (15 files in 7 dirs): Implemented parts of ctype support, switching from glibc-ctype to our own.[21:02:17] <PovAddict> can clang compile haiku?[21:02:56] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[21:06:46] *** Xbertl has joined #haiku[21:07:51] *** bradley_ has quit IRC[21:10:25] *** adriano-src has quit IRC[21:10:56] *** Mixer has quit IRC[21:12:47] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[21:15:02] <bbjimmy> PovAddict see http://www.haiku-os.org/community/forum/any_non_gpl_compilers[21:15:28] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[21:15:51] *** bbjimmy has joined #haiku[21:16:12] <bbjimmy> PovAddict see http://www.haiku-os.org/community/forum/any_non_gpl_compilers[21:16:20] <PovAddict> got that before[21:16:38] <bbjimmy> .[21:16:56] <bbjimmy> sorry, vision crashed on me.[21:16:59] <marc_smith> yeah, Clang![21:17:19] <marc_smith> I was about to ask the same question, PovAddict[21:17:21] <dru345> clang works (i've tested it myself) but I haven't heard if there's been success building all of haiku with it. I know Omnimancer and someone else are each working on that.[21:17:23] <marc_smith> :)[21:17:39] <marc_smith> great info[21:17:46] <dru345> Omni being the one who got clang to build. :)[21:18:44] <marc_smith> haiku grows so fast, it's amazing. Other OSs seem to be stagnant[21:18:52] <marc_smith> ;)[21:22:52] *** Mixer has quit IRC[21:23:23] *** dru345 is now known as away345[21:24:19] *** away345 has quit IRC[21:24:31] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[21:33:37] *** Alam_Squeeze has joined #haiku[21:47:41] *** Ziusudra has joined #haiku[22:00:41] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[22:23:54] *** Hubert_ has joined #haiku[22:28:41] *** Mixer has quit IRC[22:30:36] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[22:30:58] *** kurain___ has quit IRC[22:36:33] *** marc_smith has quit IRC[22:38:09] *** surrounder has quit IRC[22:42:40] *** Mixer has quit IRC[22:43:11] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[22:51:50] *** l_n has joined #haiku[22:52:06] *** impy_ has quit IRC[22:56:39] *** impy has joined #haiku[22:56:52] *** impy has joined #haiku[22:57:11] *** Mixer has quit IRC[22:57:18] *** impy has joined #haiku[22:58:28] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[23:01:28] *** Megaf has quit IRC[23:06:29] *** Mixer has quit IRC[23:08:19] *** Megaf has joined #haiku[23:09:59] *** Sir_Konrad has joined #haiku[23:13:51] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[23:15:38] *** lorglas has quit IRC[23:16:37] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[23:20:13] <l_n> is there a way to make tracker display thumbnails (or some other app that will thumbnail images?)[23:22:15] <PovAddict> is there an IDE for haiku?[23:22:40] <l_n> Paladin[23:22:42] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[23:22:52] *** HaikuUser is now known as Duggan[23:23:09] <l_n> hello, Duggan[23:23:11] <Duggan> much better[23:23:14] <Duggan> hey l_n[23:23:42] <Duggan> was wondering why the place seemed dead... vision doesn't notify when it loses a connection[23:24:23] <l_n> it does if you turn on lag monitoring[23:24:24] *** acous has joined #haiku[23:24:26] <l_n> in the server setup[23:24:39] <Duggan> yeah well who has time to do that...[23:24:42] <Duggan> lol thanks[23:26:33] <Duggan> sucks that nobody's looked at my patch yet...[23:27:48] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[23:28:10] <cpr420> it's not unusual for patches to stagnate on trac :([23:28:28] <Duggan> that sucks[23:28:53] <Duggan> maybe I should send something on the dev list to bring their attention to it...[23:29:10] <Duggan> if nobody looks at it and comments on it, I learn nothing[23:29:12] <cpr420> they receive the notifications already[23:30:43] <l_n> hrm. wtf.[23:30:52] <Duggan> and without having learned something I have no intention of going about attempting to fix more tickets, especially if I know it will just sit there and ro[23:30:53] <Duggan> rot[23:31:23] <cpr420> i wasn't guaranteeing that it will rot, but you need to give it time[23:31:35] <Duggan> I know... was just saying I was eager[23:31:52] <l_n> i have to wonder why people making Be .pkg files didn't change the 'MyCoolApp' stuff.. i try to install aBeSee and it tells me the pkg is already installed....[23:32:44] <Duggan> an uninstaller might be nice one day[23:34:43] <l_n> actually, it wants me to uninstall whatever registered as MyCoolApp first.. and seeing as how i have no clue what that is, i can't tell it to go ahead and do that.[23:35:53] *** Mixer has quit IRC[23:36:21] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[23:36:25] *** raichoo has joined #haiku[23:37:31] <cpr420> just find the package database and delete it :P[23:39:46] <l_n> and where *is* the pkg db?[23:42:22] *** Mixer has quit IRC[23:42:46] <korli> Duggan what's the ticket number ?[23:42:50] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[23:46:27] <Duggan> #3036[23:46:31] <Ziusudra> korli: http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/3036[23:46:35] <Ziusudra> too slow[23:46:40] <Duggan> no, I beat you[23:46:43] *** MrSunshine has joined #haiku[23:46:52] <Duggan> lol[23:47:04] <Ziusudra> that's what I meant[23:47:08] <Duggan> oh ok hehe[23:48:41] <Duggan> whats with #1050? I thought the wireless stack was implemented?[23:50:15] <Ziusudra> there's still work to done, more cards, WPA[23:50:41] *** MrSunshine_ has joined #haiku[23:50:46] <Duggan> yes, but none of that has been discussed, nobody's even posted anything with regard to that ticket in 5 months[23:50:51] *** Mixer has quit IRC[23:51:02] <Duggan> and I dont think WPA was mentioned... let me check[23:51:05] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[23:51:47] <Duggan> yeah I don't think any of that is applicable to that ticket... looks like an old ticket that should probably be closed[23:52:54] *** Hubert_ has quit IRC[23:53:19] *** MrSunshine has quit IRC[23:57:05] *** Mixer has quit IRC[23:57:16] *** Xbertl has joined #haiku[23:57:23] *** Mixer has joined #haiku