July 2, 2010 
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July 2, 2010 [00:01:25] <IIsi50MHz> Possibly.[00:01:47] <IIsi50MHz> I'm seeing numerous claims that "AppSketcher was never released", but at the same time theres:[00:02:48] <IIsi50MHz> "If you used AppSketcher of Interface Elements please let me know of your preferences. I'm currently using AppSketcher and would like to know if and why I should try Interface Elements"[00:02:58] *** phoudoin has joined #haiku[00:03:29] <IIsi50MHz> March 13...no year.[00:03:43] <phoudoin> hi[00:03:51] <IIsi50MHz> From someone at the University of Utah[00:03:55] <IIsi50MHz> ullo phou[00:04:00] <johnny_b> hi[00:04:03] <phoudoin> any autoconf/configure fluent guys here?[00:04:23] <phoudoin> Or haikuporter(s), that is...[00:04:55] <phoudoin> I must add a c++ source to an autoconf where all sources so far were only C.[00:05:52] <phoudoin> CXX is then undefined, and the generated makefile break because he don't knows how to handle C++ source without CXX being defined.[00:06:24] <cpr420> use g++ for CXX[00:07:35] <phoudoin> but I want to make configure figure it alone...[00:08:16] <phoudoin> Usually you just have to add AC_PROG_CXX in the configure.ac file, I did it, but doesn't work[00:09:50] <cpr420> This c++ file is only for Haiku? just change the compiler variable in the autoconf script in the host detection area[00:10:00] *** veve-mao has quit IRC[00:10:09] <Duggan> is this one any more acceptable? http://www.iecc.com/linker/linker10.html[00:10:10] <Duggan> lol[00:10:46] *** Colin_Finck|lap has quit IRC[00:11:58] *** MrSunshine__ has joined #haiku[00:14:40] <phoudoin> cpr420: you mean in configure.ac ?[00:14:56] <phoudoin> Add CXX=g++ in the haiku conditionnal setup?[00:15:07] <cpr420> right[00:15:54] <phoudoin> doesn't works. I should rerun aclocal and autoconf and configure, right?[00:15:58] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[00:16:19] <cpr420> shouldn't need aclocal, but the others yes[00:18:38] *** impy has joined #haiku[00:18:45] *** Ola_ has quit IRC[00:20:15] <phoudoin> oh god, I hate autoconf![00:20:39] <l_n> OmniMancer|Haiku: you around?[00:20:51] <IIsi50MHz> It's mis-named. Should be "frackin-conf!"[00:23:16] <eml> I was about ready to throw my macbook out of the window thinking the trackpad on it was broken because I couldn't scroll down anymore. Took me half a minute to figure out that the page ended[00:23:28] <eml> Probably time to sleep[00:24:11] <Duggan> l_n he left earlier, he might have forgot to log his other machine off[00:24:18] <Duggan> eml hehe probably[00:24:36] *** l_n has quit IRC[00:24:37] <Duggan> l_n or maybe he doesn't log it off ever, dunno[00:26:18] <phoudoin> okay, I figure it: I've to add AC_PROG_PATH(CXX,g++)...[00:26:35] *** dru345 is now known as away345[00:26:39] <away345> bye o/[00:26:46] <Duggan> l8r dru[00:27:01] *** Geoz has quit IRC[00:33:22] *** |Qeos| has quit IRC[00:35:22] *** Qeos has joined #haiku[00:35:30] *** vooshy has quit IRC[00:40:31] *** l_n has joined #haiku[00:40:31] *** l_n has joined #haiku[00:42:13] <judgen> tell me you love me....[00:42:33] <judgen> that is what she told me.[00:43:03] *** mmadia has left #haiku[00:43:15] *** raichoo has quit IRC[00:47:29] <judgen> meh[00:49:29] <l_n> foo[00:51:34] <IIsi50MHz> bar[00:52:24] <IIsi50MHz> Hrm, AppSketcher /was/ a 1900 KB download on BeWare.[00:52:43] <IIsi50MHz> But it was behind a webform, so Archive.org dusn have it.[00:53:09] <johnny_b> night guys[00:53:15] <IIsi50MHz> cya[00:55:11] *** judgen has quit IRC[00:56:18] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[00:58:06] <l_n> IIsi50MHz: did it not make it to haikuware?[01:02:54] *** Beyecixramd has quit IRC[01:03:24] <IIsi50MHz> Nope[01:03:41] <IIsi50MHz> I don't even know if it ran in R5, though. dru345 was looking for it.[01:05:15] *** Barrett has quit IRC[01:07:42] *** Geoz has joined #haiku[01:07:46] *** judgen has joined #haiku[01:09:40] *** strohi has quit IRC[01:15:23] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[01:15:48] *** Xbertl has joined #haiku[01:20:09] <phoudoin> Xeon3D: IIRC, you got lot of unrecognized option -pthread when you were building irssi?[01:20:41] <phoudoin> If so, do you manage to fix it, and how? (I get some myself...)[01:26:14] <CIA-49> anevilyak * r37329 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/locale/Country.cpp: Don't leak the time formatter. Fixes ticket #6250.[01:29:51] <l_n> i wish i could find this damn segfault in odamex...[01:30:43] * l_n must have online 32 player doom[01:31:13] *** LoganA has joined #haiku[01:50:20] <l_n> hrm.. it actually looks like it can't read the textures from the iwads[01:52:43] *** phoudoin has quit IRC[01:54:20] *** ZiusudraZoon has joined #haiku[01:55:05] *** Ziusudra has quit IRC[01:55:06] *** ZiusudraZoon is now known as Ziusudra[01:56:09] *** Geoz has quit IRC[01:56:40] *** cpr420 has quit IRC[01:58:29] *** hUMUNGUs has quit IRC[02:01:50] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[02:02:38] *** cpr420 has joined #haiku[02:03:52] *** LeandroLuiz has joined #haiku[02:09:59] *** hUMUNGUs has joined #haiku[02:19:54] *** Qeos has quit IRC[02:21:55] *** Qeos has joined #haiku[02:29:36] <l_n> hrm.. i ask for help in #odamex on irc.ostc.net and all i get was "i'm surprised you got it to compile"[02:33:13] <judgen> l_n, wow no response[02:33:48] <judgen> not so strange though, europeansis at sleep.... thus 80% of the coder force afaik[02:34:44] <judgen> i wish i once again cared as much about haiku as i did in 2001...[02:35:34] <judgen> the X1000 is coing out and the amigaos can do almost anything, and have an awsome DE[02:36:36] <judgen> my SBC is running haiku.. but i seems to boot it less and less as the amiga is progressing.[02:38:48] *** talimanB has joined #haiku[02:39:22] <judgen> I still run r5+bone on my laptop.. I still love it. And my bosses is impressed that my office docs even work at home for them =D (btw i have 22 unused gobe liscences if anyone wants them?)[02:39:43] <judgen> from the company i used to own[02:39:53] <talimanB> ;][02:40:24] <talimanB> could bone used on 512 now?[02:40:39] <judgen> 768 max[02:40:51] <talimanB> k[02:40:52] <judgen> and my laptop got exactly that =D[02:40:59] <talimanB> =][02:41:40] *** acous has quit IRC[02:41:50] <judgen> also it got a geftorce TI GTS go, so it is suported by the driver for full gl =D[02:41:56] <talimanB> i remember the days talking about patch bone to support bigger mem[02:42:06] <judgen> 250gb disk and 15" screen[02:43:32] <judgen> talimanB, it was not a patch to get it to allow larger memory, but a patch so it would not use more tha n768mb as there is some crash at boot at larger amounts[02:43:58] <talimanB> i knew it[02:44:02] <judgen> talimanB, or do you mean the zeta attempt?'[02:44:20] <talimanB> nope, i don't get a working zeta ;)[02:44:41] <talimanB> I still got a dual pentium3 apg board running be[02:44:42] <judgen> zeta could show and 2,1gb ram but not full 32bit ram[02:44:56] <talimanB> since there is only 384mb, no need to patch[02:45:00] <talimanB> =][02:45:15] <judgen> you are safe until you hit more than 768[02:45:55] <judgen> btw i have grown distasteful of sanDisk...[02:46:01] <talimanB> heard a long time ago that zeta have the source codes, so they can do patching[02:46:03] <judgen> (new topic)[02:46:27] <judgen> talimanB, they had the dan0 source code... and so did looncraz[02:46:37] <talimanB> lol[02:46:49] <talimanB> not sure, just heard[02:47:02] <judgen> except for the ide driver and memory work.. looncraz did a better work alone[02:47:57] *** adriano-src has quit IRC[02:48:20] <judgen> zeta is sometimes deliberatly backwards incompatible even though beos and zeta uses the same libs and compiler[02:48:45] <judgen> to get zeta apps to be exclusive[02:48:53] <talimanB> i have zero installation of zeta, no idea[02:49:02] <talimanB> =D[02:49:12] *** bubsy has quit IRC[02:49:18] *** bubsy has joined #haiku[02:49:30] *** acous has joined #haiku[02:49:33] <talimanB> bbl, nice to talk to you, judgen[02:49:36] *** talimanB has quit IRC[02:49:44] <judgen> I used to have alot of respect for Bernd and i defended him, and i bought Zeta in all versions.. the activation in 1.1 was evil though[02:58:27] <l_n> judgen: just out of curiosity, what has caused you to lose interest in haiku (other than amigaos/aros)[03:04:16] *** Alam_Squeeze has joined #haiku[03:09:07] *** hUMUNGUs has quit IRC[03:12:29] * IIsi50MHz is idle: BRB[03:12:32] *** ari-free has joined #haiku[03:12:36] <IIsi50MHz> bah, stupid user[03:12:39] * IIsi50MHz has returned[03:13:10] <IIsi50MHz> Yup, IRC client overrides normal /away behaviour. Have to /back instead of using /away without parametre[03:13:58] <IIsi50MHz> Anywho...free Gobe? I'll take that as payment when I get this ESS audio driver working the way I want.[03:14:50] <elliott1> http://www.twotoasts.de/media/columncount.png[03:14:57] <elliott1> damn fake Be themes...[03:15:55] *** ambroff has quit IRC[03:16:10] <elliott1> got my hopes up for a second[03:16:31] *** judgen has quit IRC[03:16:47] *** ambroff has joined #haiku[03:17:13] <l_n> elliott1: i assume that's a lunix screenshot...[03:17:36] <elliott1> probably, midori is primarily a linux browser, though there is a win port[03:18:43] <elliott1> saw that screenshot on the news of the midori homepage, then realized it was unlikely because it is a GTK browser[03:19:15] <elliott1> i love it on linux, i'd like to see web+ mature into something similar to it[03:20:54] *** hUMUNGUs has joined #haiku[03:22:17] *** impy has quit IRC[03:23:30] *** impy has joined #haiku[03:26:57] * l_n grumbles about unhelpful devs on other projects..[03:30:01] <CIA-49> wim * r37330 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/diskusage/Common.cpp: Fixes a 'deprecated conversion from string constant to 'char*'' warning.[03:30:32] *** jmelesky has quit IRC[03:43:11] *** Sir_Konrad has quit IRC[03:43:37] *** Sir_Konrad has joined #haiku[03:43:58] *** Sir_Konrad has quit IRC[03:46:00] *** IIsi50MHz has quit IRC[03:48:17] *** acous has quit IRC[03:50:50] *** impy has quit IRC[03:51:11] *** TMM has quit IRC[03:54:35] *** impy has joined #haiku[03:59:41] *** Nozy has joined #haiku[04:05:58] *** TMM has joined #haiku[04:28:05] *** michaelvo has joined #haiku[04:28:54] *** impy has quit IRC[04:29:52] *** impy has joined #haiku[04:30:16] <away345> hello o/[04:30:18] *** away345 is now known as dru345[04:30:25] <l_n> hi, dru345[04:30:33] <dru345> hi l_n[04:30:50] <l_n> the odamex devs seem to be dismissive asshats.[04:31:06] <l_n> unless it was just a user that gave me a non-answer earlier.[04:31:23] <dru345> that's distressing[04:32:05] <l_n> <me> [desc. of problem] <other_person> i'm surprised you got it to compile.[04:32:08] <l_n> ...[04:32:26] <dru345> helpful to the last :P[04:33:24] <l_n> yep. so i started searching for another source port that might be better with a friendlier dev team[04:35:20] <dru345> that's pretty extreme[04:35:23] *** Disreali has quit IRC[04:36:17] <l_n> i don't do well with dismissiveness when i have an actual problem that i need help with.[04:36:54] <l_n> anyways, i think i was looking at the wrong thing as the cause of the horrible failure when running the binary.[04:37:10] <l_n> for some reason, it's saying that the textures in doom2.wad are missing patches[04:37:26] <l_n> (a bit more than 500 of them)[04:38:04] <dru345> good frief[04:38:07] <dru345> grief*[04:38:26] <dru345> well you might've encountered one jerk :)[04:42:47] *** LinuxKeitaro has quit IRC[04:44:57] *** michaelvo has quit IRC[04:51:22] <l_n> yeah.. i'll ask if any devs are on the channel and then repeat my question[04:58:45] <dru345> what network are they on?[05:00:40] <l_n> ostc[05:00:50] <l_n> it seems no devs are there right now[05:05:22] <CIA-49> wim * r37331 /haiku/trunk/ (19 files in 2 dirs): Code style cleanup.[05:06:52] <l_n> i got to a doom2 screen with remood, but it has network support greyed out[05:06:58] <l_n> and the window is tiny.[05:14:06] <CIA-49> wim * r37332 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/diskusage/ControlsView.cpp: Fixes a ''virtual status_t BMenuItem::Invoke(BMessage*)' was hidden' warning.[05:22:04] *** TMM has quit IRC[05:29:32] *** Nozy has quit IRC[05:33:29] *** jmelesky has joined #haiku[05:34:01] <dru345> l_n that still seems like progress to me[05:35:56] <l_n> remood seems to be the path i may take for haiku multiplayer doom, if i could figure out how to make the network stuff work[05:41:30] *** megaf has joined #haiku[05:43:47] <Ziusudra> anyone with a haikuports login want to make a ticket?[05:44:07] <Ziusudra> the fpc download has a couple of issues[05:46:45] *** impy has quit IRC[05:50:12] *** impy has joined #haiku[05:54:35] *** impy has quit IRC[05:56:42] *** matthias9 has quit IRC[05:57:23] *** TMM has joined #haiku[05:58:10] *** matthias9 has joined #haiku[05:59:44] *** impy has joined #haiku[06:07:16] *** TMM has quit IRC[06:10:56] *** impy has quit IRC[06:13:19] *** bubsy has quit IRC[06:15:28] *** LeandroLuiz has quit IRC[06:27:02] *** impy has joined #haiku[06:31:11] <Xeon3D> yo/[06:31:44] <dru345> o.[06:31:46] *** impy has quit IRC[06:31:48] <dru345> o/[06:31:59] * Xeon3D running custom ubuntu ^_^[06:32:41] * dru345 hisses[06:32:56] <dru345> what's custom about it lol[06:33:35] <Xeon3D> installed text mode and went my way up...[06:33:49] <dru345> too much like work :P[06:33:57] * dru345 sticks with ecom ;)[06:34:03] <Xeon3D> :O[06:34:05] <Xeon3D> no way.[06:34:30] <elliott1> i wouldn't mind ecom if i didn't have the gift of sight[06:34:37] <Xeon3D> haha[06:34:39] <Xeon3D> true.[06:35:06] <dru345> did you fiddle with the "appearance" options :D[06:35:22] <dru345> it does have some level of 'theming'[06:35:33] <dru345> the icons too (thankfully)[06:35:34] <Xeon3D> which makes is less fugly but still fugly[06:35:41] <elliott1> i tried, i got it to be about as attractive as windows 95[06:35:48] <dru345> eh. beauty is in the eye of the beholder[06:36:10] <Xeon3D> I'm spoiled... I have Haiku and the Elementary gnome theme...[06:36:17] <dru345> well since the codebase is about as 'old' as win95 that's not bad elliott1[06:36:27] <elliott1> i never got wifi working either, so i gave up entirely[06:36:42] <dru345> slacker :D[06:37:00] <elliott1> anyone who whines about linux and wifi needs to try ecom[06:37:07] <dru345> heh[06:37:22] <elliott1> Xeon3D: is elementary ubuntu's new default theme?[06:37:22] <dru345> if i had a way to try it i would. can't be all bad :P[06:37:26] <Xeon3D> elliott1, nah[06:37:34] <Xeon3D> new ubuntu theme kinda sucks imho[06:37:44] <elliott1> yeah, but it beats brown and orange[06:38:28] * dru345 hides his OS/2 travel mugs and other things.[06:39:29] <dru345> Xeon3D i missed your answer last evening about success with openstep networking on vbox (sees vbox updated again)[06:41:49] * dru345 hasn't attempted[06:58:32] <Xeon3D> haven't checked it yet, I was fighting my laptop all day[06:59:11] <Xeon3D> and all of my vm's are at home atm[06:59:12] <dru345> ok[06:59:14] <dru345> ah[07:01:15] * Xeon3D needs to connect his external hd's to his server[07:01:50] <Xeon3D> maybe i'll get a sata controller[07:02:02] <Xeon3D> and mount all three of them inside[07:02:03] <dru345> maybe :P[07:02:15] <Xeon3D> have to check if the case has space for them all first.[07:02:33] <Xeon3D> hmmm[07:02:46] <Xeon3D> just remembered... I need to speak with the parted guys..[07:02:53] <Xeon3D> I have a HD that breaks gparted :D[07:04:19] <Xeon3D> http://www.speedtest.net/result/866314200.png <- meh crap stolen wifi signal :P[07:04:55] <dru345> wow :\[07:08:17] *** bubsy has joined #haiku[07:10:20] <Xeon3D> just did a speedtest at home via VNC[07:10:28] * Xeon3D wants to cry[07:11:38] <dru345> lol[07:11:50] <Xeon3D> http://www.speedtest.net/result/866317686.png <-- Miss this like crazy :P[07:12:27] <dru345> slight improvement[07:12:35] <Xeon3D> :)[07:12:57] <Xeon3D> doing apt-get's of 500mb at 100kbps is not fun.[07:23:32] *** nisstyre65 has joined #haiku[07:26:57] *** wry has joined #haiku[07:33:38] <Duggan> sup peepz[07:34:11] *** jmelesky has quit IRC[07:34:34] <Duggan> back to playing starsiege...[07:44:58] *** Qeos has quit IRC[07:50:59] <gluon> hi, sup?[07:52:01] <Duggan> yo[07:55:25] <gluon> any regular haiku user around? what browser do you use, web+?[07:56:36] <dru345> i used web+[07:56:49] <dru345> Xeon3D prefers bezillabrowser (an optionalpackageinstall)[07:57:04] <gluon> me too, it's web+ rocks[07:57:20] <gluon> s/it's//[07:57:28] <gluon> but I'd like to have flash support[07:57:56] <gluon> I guess there's only a flash plugin for bezilla right?[07:58:14] <dru345> technically there's no flash plugin[07:58:26] <dru345> gnash might worth with bezilla[07:58:38] <dru345> web+ hasn't supported plugins yet that i know[07:58:46] <gluon> yeah, thanks[07:58:54] <elliott1> not worth it[07:59:24] <elliott1> i tried for hours to watch a youtube video[07:59:51] <gluon> to be honest youtube would be the only site using flash I'd like to visit[08:00:18] <gluon> bbl[08:00:36] <Ziusudra> there's GreenTube[08:01:06] <elliott1> i wish greentube didn't have to download to the HD before you can watch[08:01:07] <Ziusudra> http://haikuware.com/directory/view-details/internet-network/ftp/greentube-a-youtube-downloader[08:01:38] <elliott1> on my nokia n810, the youtube app buffers about 10% then plays[08:02:18] <elliott1> and it doesn't have to even really download it, it will hold it in ram[08:04:08] <elliott1> a copy of that would be awesome, because it can search too[08:11:47] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[08:14:36] *** xray7224 has joined #haiku[08:15:50] * Xeon3D will brb[08:15:59] <Xeon3D> testing a BFS kernel[08:17:22] <dru345> O.O[08:29:44] *** MasterStarman has quit IRC[08:40:01] *** Auronandace has quit IRC[08:43:45] *** kurain__ has joined #haiku[08:44:45] <kurain__> hello all[08:44:56] <dru345> hi[08:46:05] <kurain__> hi dru345[08:46:29] <kurain__> do you have your own blog ? dru345[08:46:53] <dru345> not an active one no[08:48:03] <kurain__> oh, why?[08:49:14] <dru345> lack of interest. not been able to find a comfortable way to blog without being a distraction.[08:50:24] <kurain__> maybe, supporting a blog needs much time and work[08:50:52] <dru345> yes :/[08:51:37] <dru345> I'd blog for income though :)[08:52:42] <kurain__> yes , you won't do anything without income ,;-)[08:53:10] <dru345> lol.[08:55:38] <kurain__> as for me , I want to get some income ,for i want to get independent from my parents, I want to grow myself[08:56:08] <dru345> :)[08:56:49] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[08:56:54] <kurain__> but for now, there isn't a good way, but after graduation, i will[08:57:15] <kurain__> and it will take about several months[08:57:45] *** adriano-src has joined #haiku[09:00:54] *** Trezker has quit IRC[09:03:46] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[09:14:06] *** marc_smith has joined #haiku[09:14:54] *** Auronandace has joined #haiku[09:21:11] <Duggan> just came up with a pretty cool if not entirely novel idea...[09:21:24] <dru345> hi Duggan[09:21:29] <Duggan> hey dru345[09:21:48] <Duggan> get this... what if Haiku had something like fences inherent in the system?[09:22:08] <Duggan> where not just the desktop but every folder can contain groups[09:22:46] <Duggan> and those groups may (or may not) scroll independently of the folder they're displayed in...[09:23:14] <dru345> mhmm[09:23:15] <Duggan> all the group info can more or less be stored in the metadata[09:23:30] *** xray7224 has quit IRC[09:23:32] <Duggan> so it wouldn't be particularly difficult to implement I think[09:23:39] <Duggan> what do you think?[09:23:59] *** kPb_in has joined #haiku[09:25:31] <dru345> try it[09:25:46] <Duggan> do you think it would be useful?[09:26:47] <dru345> depends how it's done :)[09:27:13] <Duggan> explain?[09:27:54] <dru345> well the UI could be good or it could suck :)[09:27:59] <Duggan> lol[09:28:13] <Duggan> pretty much just select some stuff, right click, select "add group"[09:28:29] <dru345> speaking of suck *thinks he's just got knocked offline*[09:28:34] <Duggan> or click and drag... maybe an icon to drag onto or maybe onto the header to make it easier than fences...[09:28:38] <Duggan> nah you're here[09:28:40] <kPb_in> hello all[09:28:44] <Duggan> hi kPb_in[09:28:49] <dru345> ah just lagging[09:28:52] <dru345> hi kPb_in[09:29:29] <Duggan> not sure if the groups in folders would need to scroll independently or not... probably not[09:29:36] <Duggan> would be too confusing and difficult to control[09:29:46] <Duggan> but would certainly be useful on the desktop... eventually[09:30:05] <dru345> pm ok Duggan?[09:30:08] <Duggan> sure[09:31:59] <marc_smith> Haiku should focus more on security I think[09:32:49] <marc_smith> It's not that BeOS architecture is fundamentaly bad or flawed, but you know ... nowadays you need to stay conscious and ready for the hit, especialy when you're writing an internet-enabled OS[09:33:48] <marc_smith> some people might - of course - argue that you can't focus on security while you don't even have the whole system ready, but that's the point - you need to build security into the OS on the early stage[09:33:52] <marc_smith> security mechanisms[09:33:54] <Duggan> they'll get there, I'm sure[09:34:22] <marc_smith> and - not so while ago - I hapened to scan haiku box and I was somewhat shocked[09:34:32] <marc_smith> I hope they will, Duggan[09:35:42] <marc_smith> all I can do is to participate in somehow - testing, etc[09:35:55] <marc_smith> and that's what I'm doing[09:36:18] <elliott1> haiku will most likely be ready for the attackers long before the attackers even care[09:36:21] <marc_smith> it's just that most people used to focus more on the interface[09:36:44] <marc_smith> elliott1: you know, it's not always about the popularity of the OS[09:36:55] <elliott1> that is a major part of it though[09:36:56] <marc_smith> but that's a whole different story[09:37:25] <marc_smith> agreed, mostly[09:37:42] <elliott1> they have just started caring about OSX[09:37:52] <marc_smith> yes, the same example came to my mind[09:38:08] <Duggan> theres a handful of viruses for linux now[09:38:10] <elliott1> that took a whole decade[09:38:26] <johnny_b> marc_smith: connecting to internet w/o a proper firewall and defense mechanisms is stupid[09:38:32] <marc_smith> but here we talk about the mass-popularity effect. Some people - however - might want to prove you lack of security, and here goes the troubles[09:38:47] <johnny_b> so i don't care for security in first round[09:39:10] <marc_smith> johnny_b: that's a quite irresponsible way of thinking[09:39:14] <marc_smith> with all due respect[09:39:30] <johnny_b> why?[09:39:32] <marc_smith> firewall is just a part of the security process[09:39:48] <johnny_b> geez[09:39:48] <elliott1> but johnny_b has a point, good security starts before the system you're using[09:39:56] <marc_smith> you can't rely on one mechanism[09:40:10] <johnny_b> read my sentence please[09:40:19] <johnny_b> firewall and defense mechanisms[09:40:20] <marc_smith> and what if you connect to the external network?[09:40:24] <johnny_b> not only firewall[09:40:39] <marc_smith> you don't have to stay behind a LAN or FW[09:41:07] <marc_smith> there are many scenarios. Besides - firewall will not secure you from the possible malware[09:41:13] <marc_smith> might I say - targeted malware[09:41:17] <johnny_b> geez[09:41:35] <johnny_b> it's layer 7/8 stuff[09:41:59] <johnny_b> and you could get them on more advanced OSes too[09:42:25] <marc_smith> I'm just saying ... better not trivialize the problem, cause there is a problem and we all know it. Unless you have some good security mechanisms - you can't really feel secure[09:42:28] <johnny_b> i'm aware of haiku's security problems but let the devs make the system run[09:42:35] <Duggan> I still think there are more important fish to fry before they start focusing too much on security...[09:42:48] <Duggan> however if you find a vulnerability and open a ticket, I'm sure someone will get on it before too long[09:42:56] <marc_smith> well, you never can feel secure, heh[09:43:15] <marc_smith> Duggan: and that's the kind of an attitude I'm arguing with[09:43:27] <Duggan> at least with OSS people can actually fix problems, unlike with windows[09:43:31] <johnny_b> i can't install on my modern machines, so state of security is senseless for me :)[09:43:35] <marc_smith> you can't leave happily in a castle without the walls[09:43:42] <marc_smith> you can't build anything[09:43:55] <johnny_b> marc_smith: it's definitely not a castle[09:43:57] <johnny_b> :)[09:44:00] <marc_smith> not yet[09:44:13] <marc_smith> but it begins to prove as a nice OS[09:44:20] <marc_smith> rewrite[09:44:32] <elliott1> the latest nightly builds are extremly secure on my netbook...[09:44:43] <marc_smith> It would be a PITA to loose it all jsut by some convictions[09:44:43] <elliott1> i can't stay connected long enough for anyone to do anything :P[09:44:54] <marc_smith> 'we are secure, let's talk about it later, and so on'[09:44:59] <johnny_b> marc_smith: i'm sure that won't happen[09:45:03] <marc_smith> cool[09:45:31] <marc_smith> anyways - I'm gonna do whatever I can to stay on guard and watch for the problems ;)[09:45:45] <johnny_b> and report them, please :)[09:45:50] <marc_smith> of course I will[09:45:54] <Duggan> thanks marc_smith[09:45:57] <marc_smith> I already filed some reports in the past[09:46:00] <Duggan> it would be appreciated[09:46:14] <Duggan> they've got a section on "hacking" but I'm not sure what sense its used in[09:46:20] <Duggan> I looked at it once like 2 years ago[09:46:51] <elliott1> i think haiku is fairly safe right now because there aren't exactly a hell of a lot of features to exploit in the first place[09:47:26] <marc_smith> elliott1: partially true. There probobly needs to be a good WiFi connectivity infrastructure in the first place[09:47:32] <marc_smith> or will it be too late? ;)[09:47:53] <marc_smith> I hope not[09:48:32] <marc_smith> but most of the time yeah, we're all secure, Haiku is a niche OS[09:48:36] <Duggan> still plenty of work left there to do[09:48:45] <Duggan> it won't be forever hehe[09:48:47] <marc_smith> nobody wants to do the bad things to us, not yet ;)[09:49:02] <marc_smith> sure, Duggan[09:49:34] <marc_smith> btw are you running Haiku as a virtualized instance, or on top of a real HW?[09:49:40] <elliott1> well, when they start caring, i guess it means haiku is being taken seriously...maybe by 2020?[09:49:40] <Duggan> native[09:49:43] <marc_smith> cool[09:50:12] <marc_smith> I got native and virtualized installations. IT helps a lot with various things[09:50:16] <Duggan> quad booting... vista, opensuse (which is currently broke), haiku, and a haiku test partition[09:50:25] <marc_smith> nice config, Duggan[09:50:39] <Duggan> I've had too many problems configuring VMs[09:50:48] <marc_smith> what kind of probs?[09:51:02] <elliott1> i just have haiku as the main OS on my extra netbook...VMs and dual booting are too much hassle[09:51:12] <Duggan> just trying to figure out how to transfer information into and out of it is the hardest part really[09:51:42] <Duggan> thats the setup on this laptop... my desktop is pure xp unfortunately[09:51:45] <marc_smith> Duggan: true. There are some Samba-related ways of doing this, but that is a pain[09:51:52] <marc_smith> however - you can configure bridged networking[09:51:59] <marc_smith> and it works ok[09:52:13] <elliott1> marc_smith: no samba in haiku...or nfs...or anything[09:52:17] <Duggan> well I'm always trying to either get stuff into or out of it and networking never was easy or reliable either[09:52:35] <Duggan> so with native I can do the internet and usb drives and all that[09:52:36] <marc_smith> yeah, I know, but we're talking of virtualizing Haiku on top of some other, samba-enabled OS[09:53:09] <Duggan> get this...[09:53:18] <Duggan> my desktop has xp which runs on drive I:[09:53:32] <elliott1> how will that help in transfering files to haiku exactly?[09:53:46] <Duggan> it got that way because originally it was a 98 machine and I put xp on a different drive so it ended up with letter I:[09:53:53] <marc_smith> elliott1: d'oh! of course you're right. I was thinking about the possibility alone[09:54:09] <marc_smith> Haiku won't get or send any files afterall[09:54:24] * marc_smith scrubs his early-morning head[09:54:27] <Duggan> eventually I took the 98 drive out and xp kept I:, but when I try to install haiku it renames the drive to C: and stops working[09:55:03] <Duggan> so I'm screwed as far as multibooting on that machine until I get rid of xp[09:55:20] <Duggan> but once it dies (as long as the hardware is good) its getting haiku all the way hehe[09:55:25] <marc_smith> Duggan: that seems weird, but it's probobly Win to blame[09:55:27] <elliott1> drive letters need to die...[09:55:34] <Duggan> it is[09:55:46] <Duggan> I mean I could boot haiku I just couldnt boot xp[09:55:51] <elliott1> CP/M era stuff that should not exist in a modern system[09:55:54] <marc_smith> Do you have primary partitions setup?[09:56:02] <marc_smith> you shouldn't actually use an extended partition[09:56:03] <Duggan> and since xp is where all my games are (WoW included), its gotta stick around[09:56:24] <Duggan> no, installed haiku on a second drive[09:56:38] <marc_smith> ok[09:57:05] <marc_smith> I just remember having problems with extended partitions. Nowadays I don't use them at al[09:57:19] <Duggan> but still had to fiddle with some boot manager stuff which screwed up the drive letter[09:57:24] <marc_smith> and that's kinda tricky, cause I run multiple-OS setup[09:57:30] <Duggan> fortunately when I reset the MBR it put the old settings back so it stayed as I:[09:58:01] <marc_smith> I dislike the way Windows handles booting[09:58:04] <marc_smith> real pain[09:58:14] <Duggan> it would be cool if they could do like the BeOS guys did and make an icon you can double click to restart the computer in that OS, but its not going to happen[09:58:23] <marc_smith> it assumes to be the one and only OS on your HD[09:58:34] <elliott1> Duggan: did that ever work with XP?[09:58:38] <Duggan> actually, this machine came with vista and I've never had so little trouble setting up a multiboot system[09:58:54] <Duggan> elliott1 no, only 95/98.... it was a hack really[09:59:23] <Duggan> actually I think it was only 95, but maybe 98 as well[09:59:32] *** 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don't see a need for anything that complicated[10:03:42] <Duggan> yeah thats not the problem[10:03:51] <Duggan> its the bootloader, the special settings and crap I have to set[10:04:14] <Duggan> at least bypassing the bootloader would be nice I think[10:04:51] <Duggan> er not bootloader, boot manager[10:04:53] <Duggan> duh[10:04:57] <Duggan> or whatever they're called[10:05:40] <Duggan> brb[10:08:42] <CIA-49> axeld * r37333 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/disk_systems/intel/ (ExtendedPartitionAddOn.cpp PartitionMapAddOn.cpp): * Removed questionable use of strlen().[10:11:41] *** J-Ho has joined #haiku[10:12:57] <CIA-49> axeld * r37334 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/disk_systems/intel/ (ExtendedPartitionAddOn.cpp PartitionMapAddOn.cpp): * Further cleanup while I was at it.[10:15:47] *** dv- has joined #haiku[10:17:15] *** sprma has joined #haiku[10:21:26] *** impy has joined #haiku[10:28:44] *** andreas_dr has joined #haiku[10:29:54] *** lorglas_laptop has joined #haiku[10:32:54] *** lorglas_laptop 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<brobostigon> morning all.[12:15:07] *** Viggo-Dratnev is now known as impy_[12:16:44] <Duggan> hey brobostigon[12:17:14] <brobostigon> morning Duggan[12:18:49] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[12:24:33] *** idefix_xifedi has quit IRC[12:30:13] *** Xbertl has joined #haiku[12:32:15] <dru345> hi brobostigon[12:32:37] <brobostigon> morning dru345[12:52:51] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[12:53:44] <dru345> anything remarkable in the land of haiku?[12:57:01] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[13:02:07] *** AlexFera has joined #haiku[13:04:43] *** TMM has quit IRC[13:06:34] <gluon> I'm becoming addicted into haiku[13:07:26] <gluon> it's slowly starting to replace linux in my laptop[13:07:50] <dru345> yay![13:08:30] <gluon> And I've only started using haiku this week[13:08:44] *** kieselsteini has joined #haiku[13:09:39] *** TMM has joined #haiku[13:11:27] <Duggan> hehe[13:12:54] *** talimanB has joined #haiku[13:14:53] *** kieselsteini has left #haiku[13:16:31] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[13:16:31] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[13:16:43] *** TMM has quit IRC[13:16:56] *** TMM has joined #haiku[13:17:01] *** TMM has joined #haiku[13:18:09] *** surrounder has joined #haiku[13:18:26] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[13:26:39] *** gbl08ma has joined #haiku[13:33:08] *** kieselsteini has joined #haiku[13:33:11] <kieselsteini> hi there[13:33:16] <dru345> hi[13:34:21] <CIA-49> pulkomandy * r37336 /haiku/trunk/ (135 files in 47 dirs): (log message trimmed)[13:34:21] <CIA-49> * Update all applications in tree to use the new localizing system[13:34:21] <CIA-49> * Remove the old one from the locale librairy, with some cleanup[13:34:21] <CIA-49> Known regressions :[13:34:21] <CIA-49> * readonlybootprompt will no longer update the locale settings : the[13:34:22] <CIA-49> method used messed with internal undocumented things[13:34:22] <CIA-49> * external localized apps (webpositive for example) will not run[13:36:46] <Duggan> hi kieselsteini[13:37:22] <Duggan> yay web+ is broke :/[13:37:37] <kieselsteini> Duggan you were the guy that suggested libgloox yesterday right?[13:37:48] <Duggan> me? no[13:37:57] *** gbl08ma has quit IRC[13:40:32] <kieselsteini> hmm, than I rembered that wrong :D[13:40:42] *** Geoz has joined #haiku[13:59:32] *** brobostigon has quit IRC[14:00:52] *** brobostigon has joined #haiku[14:00:59] <Duggan> wb[14:01:32] <brobostigon> o/[14:06:15] <kurain__> hello all[14:06:22] <Duggan> hi[14:07:06] <kurain__> nice to meet you duggan[14:07:19] <Duggan> likewise[14:09:11] *** kPb_in has quit IRC[14:28:40] <Duggan> well, against my better judgement, I suppose its time for bed[14:29:12] <dru345> goodnight Duggan[14:29:27] <Duggan> l8r dru345[14:31:02] *** sprma has quit IRC[14:34:40] <kurain__> 88 duggan[14:38:02] *** Hubert_ has joined #haiku[14:39:27] *** Ola has joined #haiku[14:39:55] *** Ola is now known as Guest57577[14:40:15] *** Guest57577 is now known as OlaHughson[14:42:22] *** kieselsteini has quit IRC[14:48:26] <kurain__> kieselsteini, you are unlucky[14:52:52] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[14:58:28] *** NeonLicht has quit IRC[14:59:15] *** iIngenu has quit IRC[15:00:32] *** sprma has joined #haiku[15:01:36] <CIA-49> pulkomandy * r37337 /haiku/trunk/src/ (5 files in 2 dirs):[15:01:36] <CIA-49> * Patch by Jorma Karvonnen updated by me : localize NetworkStatus[15:01:36] <CIA-49> * Fix a small bug in LocaleRoster : a / was left out in the mimesignature. Didn't cause any harm, but it's cleaner this way.[15:01:42] *** hUMUNGUs has quit IRC[15:01:52] *** sprma has quit IRC[15:09:06] <CIA-49> pulkomandy * r37338 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/webwatch/ (Jamfile WatchApp.cpp WatchView.cpp WatchView.h readme.html): * Pathc by Jorma Karvonnen updated by me : localize WebWatch. Thanks ![15:35:56] <CIA-49> pulkomandy * r37339 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/bluetooth/ (DeviceClass.cpp Jamfile KitSupport.h RemoteDevice.cpp): * Patch by Jorma Karvonnen with updates by me : localize libbluetooth[15:39:12] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[15:45:18] *** gluon has quit IRC[15:53:38] <OlaHughson> hmm[15:53:42] <OlaHughson> i got a weird idea.[15:53:51] <dru345> share it[15:53:53] <OlaHughson> to get a source code of any DOS-like operating system[15:54:06] <OlaHughson> and to change some values [names] and recompile it for fun :o[15:54:09] <Xeon3D> aannnnd...[15:54:10] <Xeon3D> lol[15:54:13] <Xeon3D> gogo FreeDOS[15:54:20] <OlaHughson> and then state i has GLaDOS installed:D[15:54:24] <Xeon3D> You can make it OlaDOS :P[15:54:36] <dru345> Xeon3D o/[15:54:41] <OlaHughson> Xeon3D, i would make my own real modification if I were a programmer:P[15:54:50] <Xeon3D> better yet, swap the internal commands names...[15:54:57] <Xeon3D> make cd list directories and dir change them... :D[15:55:01] <Xeon3D> *pure evil* ^_^[15:55:04] <OlaHughson> :P[15:55:11] <Xeon3D> hi dru345[15:55:18] * Xeon3D is so ******** tired.[15:55:26] <OlaHughson> i think everyone knows, but some people may not[15:55:27] <OlaHughson> http://half-life.wikia.com/wiki/GLaDOS[15:56:47] * Xeon3D didn't. Never was a big fan (or a fan at all of HL)[15:56:48] *** Barrett has quit IRC[15:57:15] * dru345 didn't either[15:57:43] <OmniMancer> evil in a DOS form :P[15:58:13] <Xeon3D> so... what's different from normal DOS? ^_^[15:58:34] <OmniMancer> its GLa :P[15:59:43] <OlaHughson> It's a fully-functional DIsk Operating System with Genetic Lifeform as a bonus!:D[16:03:45] * Xeon3D has killed prolly more than 100 flies in the past two days by hand...[16:04:08] * Xeon3D can't stand them...[16:04:12] *** gluon has joined #haiku[16:04:16] <Xeon3D> oi gluon[16:05:55] * dru345 exiles Xeon3D to ecom for not sharing his pizza ;P[16:06:04] <Xeon3D> I ain't got more pizza :P[16:06:26] <Xeon3D> I thought pizzas were easy to get in the USA...[16:06:37] <Xeon3D> where you have the HPDGs and all..[16:06:52] <dru345> not so easy after about 1am[16:07:18] <dru345> there's a kind of 'pizza free' time from 1am to about 10 or 11. :p[16:07:27] <Xeon3D> oh[16:07:37] <Xeon3D> but the pizzas I eat, they are brought like 6 hours earlier[16:07:56] <dru345> O.o[16:07:58] <dru345> oh my[16:08:06] * Xeon3D likes cold pizza[16:08:12] <dru345> of course i have pizza in my deep freezer downstairs but i'm not going to get it lol[16:08:29] <Xeon3D> go get it and send some via dcc[16:08:37] <dru345> heh[16:08:43] <johnny_b> i always bake my pizza[16:08:54] <johnny_b> that's the best[16:08:57] <gluon> johnny_b: +1[16:09:01] <gluon> same here ;)[16:09:09] *** megaf is now known as Megaf|BRA[16:09:20] *** Megaf|BRA is now known as Megaf|BRA_1x0[16:09:42] <Xeon3D> well, i'm normally at work when i eat pizza, and being a night doorman makes it kinda hard to bake my own pizzas[16:10:40] <gluon> well, actually I seldom eat pizza and when I do it's usually during the weekend[16:11:44] <johnny_b> me too[16:11:53] <johnny_b> or if i'm totally exhausted[16:11:59] <gluon> yeah[16:12:04] *** raichoo has joined #haiku[16:12:10] <johnny_b> cooking is refreshing for me[16:12:41] *** luroh has joined #haiku[16:15:31] <gluon> yeah, it's also a nice way to avoid junk food, as long as you know what you're doing[16:15:46] <gluon> I also like cooking, used to have more time though[16:16:34] <johnny_b> yep[16:17:04] <johnny_b> i don't like industrial food[16:17:56] <johnny_b> my dream is to move to countryside and get a house with a small garden[16:18:15] *** Andrius has joined #haiku[16:18:31] *** yourpalal has joined #haiku[16:18:35] <johnny_b> vegetables, fruits, chicken in the backyard :)[16:19:18] *** Beyecixramd has joined #haiku[16:20:13] <dru345> cooking for 1 is inefficient :D[16:20:27] <gluon> biological cooking[16:20:27] <johnny_b> bullshit[16:20:36] <gluon> food*[16:26:29] *** Megaf|BRA_1x0 has quit IRC[16:35:48] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[16:38:18] *** Andrius has quit IRC[16:40:18] <gluon> dru345: you mean inefficient concerning CO2 emissions?[16:41:03] <dru345> perhaps[16:41:23] <gluon> johnny_b: can always use a solar oven rather than burning CH4 hehe[16:41:44] <dru345> in my location it's difficult to buy things portioned for 1 person's cooking needs.[16:41:44] <johnny_b> or mechanical energy ;)[16:41:55] <dru345> that too johnny_b[16:41:58] <johnny_b> it's good for the body and the nature too ;)[16:42:04] <gluon> yeah[16:42:19] * dru345 shrugs. i prefer to cook for others.[16:43:02] *** leszek has joined #haiku[16:43:08] <leszek> hi[16:43:12] <Xeon3D> hi[16:43:12] <dru345> hi[16:43:20] <Xeon3D> c-c-c-c-combo-breaker[16:43:22] * dru345 is updating svn[16:43:27] * Xeon3D couldn't help it.[16:43:32] <Xeon3D> omg[16:43:35] <johnny_b> hi leszek[16:43:36] *** killermouse0 has quit IRC[16:43:39] <Xeon3D> you're compiling haiku? :P[16:43:53] <dru345> no. just want to ensure the latest tracker code here.[16:44:05] <luroh> trunk is currently broken though[16:44:05] *** killermouse0 has joined #haiku[16:44:09] <dru345> is it?[16:44:17] <dru345> in what sense is it broken?[16:44:28] <dru345> i'm not building anything :P[16:44:36] *** marshan has joined #haiku[16:44:38] <luroh> well, it doesn't build[16:44:41] <dru345> ok[16:44:45] <dru345> that's ok here :D[16:44:55] <luroh> ah ok :)[16:44:56] <Xeon3D> but is someone actively working on tracker?[16:45:20] <dru345> unlikely[16:45:24] <dru345> but it could happen[16:45:51] <leszek> oO 38°C here xD, its hot like hell :P 30°C in my room[16:46:59] <Xeon3D> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Operating_system_usage_share.svg <- :O iPhones are almost eating linux :P[16:47:32] <leszek> rofl[16:47:52] <johnny_b> leszek: same situation here[16:48:13] <leszek> hmm... I am faking my browser id so it counts me to osx I think (I am faking safari on osx)[16:48:16] * Xeon3D doesn't even want to know how hot it is outside.[16:48:29] <leszek> definitely too hot[16:48:36] <Xeon3D> leszek: there are better browser id's to spoof...[16:48:43] <marshan> it's 31 C here, near Stuttgart :/[16:48:45] <Xeon3D> off all of them you had to pick Safari/OSX ?[16:48:46] <Xeon3D> lol[16:48:57] <leszek> Xeon3D: I know lynx or links2 ;)[16:49:22] <leszek> marshan: das ist noch auszuhalten :P[16:50:21] <marshan> hehe[16:50:39] <Xeon3D> !weather Albufeira, Portugal[16:50:40][16:50:40][16:50:46] <Xeon3D> hmmm not that hot :P[16:51:08] <leszek> oh can we exchange the weather :P[16:51:21] <marshan> lol[16:51:31] <leszek> we have 10°C more the whole week[16:51:52] <leszek> hopefully tomorrow or this evening there is a thunderstorm to cool it down[16:52:33] *** Andrius has joined #haiku[16:58:27] <CIA-49> mmadia * r37340 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/networkstatus/Jamfile: Fixes build.[16:59:38] *** J-Ho has left #haiku[16:59:45] *** marshan has left #haiku[16:59:50] <Xeon3D> leszek: thing is, we ain't getting any wind...[16:59:56] <Xeon3D> so it's erm... damp (?).[17:00:30] *** tqh has joined #haiku[17:01:31] <leszek> Xeon3D: here isn't any wind either, so you can hang an ax in straight air.[17:02:05] <dru345> that sounds dangerous[17:02:59] <Xeon3D> ax?[17:04:27] <dru345> yes[17:04:46] <dru345> ax to cut off heads of chickens or criminals or cut open doors in fires[17:05:32] <leszek> thats a german saying I guess :P[17:05:47] <dru345> it's a good one. :)[17:05:57] <OmniMancer> axe[17:06:35] <leszek> axe = ax !?[17:06:49] <dru345> yes[17:07:06] <dru345> both are acceptable English[17:07:15] <leszek> british vs. american I guess :P[17:07:25] <dru345> bad english: "let me ax you a question"[17:07:31] <leszek> hehe[17:07:33] * dru345 hears that a lot[17:08:29] <Hodapp> I work with a black guy who's rather educated and a quite good programmer, but he still says that.[17:08:49] <Hodapp> doesn't write it in proposals or anything though.[17:09:05] <OmniMancer> acksk[17:11:33] *** raichoo has quit IRC[17:14:11] *** Hubert_ has quit IRC[17:18:26] *** raichoo has joined #haiku[17:20:10] * Xeon3D remembers ass and then just adds a K...[17:20:28] <Xeon3D> most people ask me if I have a speaking problem...[17:20:36] <Xeon3D> idk how you call it... when people ssspeak like thiss[17:20:56] <yourpalal> parseltongue, I think[17:21:06] <Disreali> hehehe[17:21:15] <Xeon3D> actually I don' even know what's the official term for it in portuguese...[17:21:23] *** marc_smith has joined #haiku[17:21:23] * yourpalal is glad somebody got it :P[17:21:41] <Xeon3D> I don't have parseltongue, I was just kiddin :P[17:21:49] <Disreali> yourpalal; I just re-read that book recently[17:23:11] <yourpalal> I have read them way too many times :P[17:23:58] <dru345> a lisp?[17:23:58] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[17:24:08] <dru345> or stutter?[17:24:21] <Xeon3D> yes, that's it.. a listp[17:24:23] <Xeon3D> *lisp[17:24:34] <Xeon3D> probably also called parseltongu[17:25:28] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[17:25:42] <dru345> wb OmniMancer[17:26:02] <Xeon3D> nope[17:26:08] <Xeon3D> parseltongue is from harry potter... omfg.[17:26:17] <Xeon3D> it can be called a lisp or sigmatism.[17:29:29] <largo> Disreali: your diff patch is the same thing I originally posted. I just think it never got applied for some reason. :/[17:30:17] <largo> which is basically what you said...[17:30:33] <largo> I think I had exchanged some emails with whomever actually maintains Trac...[17:30:38] <largo> I don't remember the discussion now though...[17:30:43] <largo> (and I'm half asleep at the moment)[17:30:52] *** jmelesky has joined #haiku[17:34:44] *** marc_smith has quit IRC[17:35:31] <leszek> has haiku a gdbm.h file ?[17:35:46] <leszek> I want to compile mt-daapd on haiku, don't know if anyone tried it yet[17:36:47] *** Dane__ has joined #haiku[17:36:48] <Dane__> hey[17:36:50] <dru345> let me look[17:36:52] <dru345> hi Dane__[17:36:58] <Dane__> hi dru345[17:37:11] <cpr420> leszek: i don't think so, i don't even think it's in haikuports[17:37:28] <Dane__> Is there any way to send a message from the command line that will move the mouse, such as using the hey command?[17:37:42] <Dane__> I don't need to move it far, just nudge it a few pixels[17:37:43] <leszek> too bad[17:37:47] <Dane__> hi lez[17:37:51] <Dane__> hi leszek[17:37:54] <leszek> :)[17:37:59] <dru345> leszek i don't find it.[17:38:07] *** sprma has joined #haiku[17:38:27] <Dane__> mmu_screen Can the hey command be used to nudge the mouse pointer?[17:39:02] <mmu_screen> plop Dane__[17:39:11] <Dane__> plopsky![17:39:14] <mmu_screen> not sure, maybe by sending to the input_server[17:39:27] <Dane__> hey input_server something or other?[17:39:58] <mmu_screen> yes but I'm not sure it has a normal message loop[17:40:11] *** OlaHughson has quit IRC[17:41:39] <Dane__> mmu_screen I am trying to use a motherboard that sometimes causes the input server to stall when BeOS first boots, making it unresponsive to mouse and keyboard. However it seems like if there is early mouse activity as the desktop is appearing, then the input server doesn't freeze[17:41:52] <Dane__> Maybe the answer is to send a keyboard impulse instead...maybe easier?[17:45:46] <mmu_screen> you can also try to restart it[17:46:38] <mmu_screen> /system/servers/input_server -q[17:50:36] <Dane__> mmu_screen Ok, that sounds good, I'll try that.[17:50:51] <Dane__> excuse me...I'll be popping in and out while I do experiments and reboots[17:50:52] *** Dane__ has quit IRC[17:51:52] *** adriano-src has joined #haiku[17:52:21] <dru345> is there a gcc4 pkg-config ?[17:52:44] <cpr420> yes[17:54:00] <dru345> where may i find it?[17:54:32] <cpr420> it's on the ports-space site, but a gcc2 version should work unless you're not on a hybrid[17:54:42] <dru345> i am on a hybrid[17:54:42] <cpr420> http://ports-space.haiku-files.org//dev-util/pkgconfig-0.23-x86-gcc4-2010-05-17.zip[17:55:00] <dru345> ty cpr420[17:55:37] *** Dane__ has joined #haiku[17:57:18] <Dane__> mmu_screen I wonder if there's a different switch than -q. -q kills it but it doesn't "revive" on its own[17:57:39] <Dane__> I tried -r (restart) but that didn't seem to do anything[17:57:49] <cpr420> it takes a few seconds to restart for me[17:58:14] *** megaf has joined #haiku[17:58:54] *** megaf is now known as Megaf[17:59:43] <Dane__> cpr420 mine just sits there. :-)[17:59:54] <mmu_screen> it's possible it's deadlocked[18:00:05] <mmu_screen> in which case it won't exit, and app_server won't start a new one[18:00:19] <Dane__> how about using two lines...[18:00:21] <Dane__> one to kill it[18:00:23] <Dane__> one to start it[18:01:15] <mmu_screen> kill -9 input_server[18:01:35] <mmu_screen> app_server will always try to start a new one if it dies[18:01:46] <Dane__> trying that[18:01:47] <Dane__> brb[18:01:47] *** Dane__ has quit IRC[18:02:11] *** Ola has joined #haiku[18:02:39] *** Ola is now known as Guest25008[18:03:24] *** Guest25008 is now known as OlaHughson[18:05:42] *** Dane__ has joined #haiku[18:05:53] <Dane__> mmu_screen kill -9 input_server (like that?)[18:06:52] <mmu_screen> yes[18:07:15] <Dane__> k thanks[18:07:31] <Dane__> seems to recover very quickly from that[18:07:39] <Dane__> ok thanks again[18:07:45] <Dane__> the testing continues here[18:07:47] <Dane__> tty all later[18:07:48] *** Dane__ has quit IRC[18:11:29] <dru345> no glib-2.0, right?[18:14:02] <cpr420> nothing prebuilt that i'm aware of, it is in the ports repository but i'm not sure if everything is working[18:14:48] <dru345> oh yeah. i'm still looking for gcc4. the other libs i'm using are gcc4. wouldn't it matter?[18:15:14] <cpr420> only when c++ gets involved, pure c hasn't changed that abi[18:15:20] *** yourpalal has quit IRC[18:15:27] <talimanB> Dane: on some random boot, mouse or keyboard will hang[18:15:34] <dru345> ok i'll try the lib[18:15:56] <talimanB> Dane: insert new usb mouse will active input[18:16:26] <talimanB> opps, he's gone[18:19:36] *** Shisui has quit IRC[18:19:56] *** yourpalal has joined #haiku[18:24:17] *** gluon has quit IRC[18:25:24] * Xeon3D will be back later.[18:27:54] *** tqh has quit IRC[18:28:59] *** kieselsteini has joined #haiku[18:29:21] *** Disreali has quit IRC[18:30:51] <CIA-49> mmu_man * r37341 /haiku/trunk/src/system/boot/arch/arm/ (arch_video_920.cpp arch_video_omap3.cpp arch_video_pxa.cpp): Fork arch_video.cpp into cpu-specific versions.[18:31:47] *** gluon has joined #haiku[18:32:12] *** nisstyre65 has quit IRC[18:33:45] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[18:33:53] <CIA-49> mmu_man * r37342 /haiku/trunk/src/system/boot/arch/arm/ (Jamfile arch_video.cpp): Just leave the stubs here and use other cpu-specific files.[18:36:22] *** Shisui has joined #haiku[18:42:36] *** sprma has quit IRC[18:42:53] *** warpdesign_ has quit IRC[18:44:01] *** kieselsteini has left #haiku[18:44:13] *** kieselsteini has joined #haiku[18:44:15] *** kieselsteini has left #haiku[18:44:57] *** nisstyre65 has joined #haiku[18:48:41] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[18:49:00] *** sprma has joined #haiku[18:51:01] <CIA-49> mmadia * r37343 /haiku/trunk/build/jam/ (BuildSetup HaikuImage):[18:51:01] <CIA-49> Updated HAIKU_DEFAULT_IMAGE_SIZE to 200 M. For some reason, building it in[18:51:01] <CIA-49> Haiku causes the image file to need 193 MB; building it in FreeBSD requires[18:51:01] <CIA-49> only 180 MB.[18:53:44] *** sprma has quit IRC[18:54:43] *** Disreali has quit IRC[18:55:02] *** ali3n0 has joined #haiku[18:55:54] *** Trezker has joined #haiku[18:58:17] <ali3n0> hi guys. I've just booted but the top-right applet (with the leaf) has disappeared! how can I start it up? don't know the program name[18:59:03] <dru345> it's called Deskbar[18:59:24] <ali3n0> any idea about why it disappeared?[18:59:56] <dru345> are you running alpha 2 or something newer?[19:00:06] <mmadia> and lives in /boot/system/ it could be restarted in Team Monitor (alt ctrl del, the press the Restart Desktop button)[19:00:21] <ali3n0> alpha2[19:00:25] <dru345> thanks mmadia i always forget Team Monitor[19:00:54] <dru345> I don't know ali3n0 why it disappeared. It may have crashed.[19:01:07] <ali3n0> I try reboot[19:02:17] <ali3n0> mmadia, alt ctrl del seems not to work in my virtualbox haiku :([19:02:32] *** Ingenu has joined #haiku[19:03:18] <kurain__> it works on your main os instead , ali3n0[19:03:48] <luroh> ali3n0: it should be available from vbox' top menu[19:04:55] *** leszek has quit IRC[19:05:09] <ali3n0> argh, something horrible happened, haiku is just not responding to commands. just the pointer... hard reboot now[19:05:31] *** The123king has joined #haiku[19:05:31] *** The123king has joined #haiku[19:09:54] <ali3n0> weird. I rebooted several times (6 or 7) because it was hanging at the last splash page's step[19:10:15] <ali3n0> I deactivated networking and it went up again[19:10:26] *** Sir_Konrad has joined #haiku[19:10:54] <dru345> wifi or ethernet?[19:11:11] <ali3n0> on virtualbox. deactivated the network interface[19:11:20] <dru345> oh. understood[19:11:34] <ali3n0> it happens sometime that it doesn't boot for few times[19:11:44] <ali3n0> even if I don't touch configs[19:11:58] <ali3n0> btw the deskbar is back now ;)[19:12:13] <dru345> good[19:12:32] <dru345> for me haiku is better on vmware than vbox.[19:12:49] <dru345> what is your vbox host?[19:12:55] <ali3n0> ubuntu 10.04[19:13:05] <dru345> ok[19:13:14] <ali3n0> I can install vmplayer[19:13:26] <ali3n0> if you say is better[19:13:57] <CIA-49> pulkomandy * r37344 /haiku/trunk/ (13 files in 3 dirs):[19:13:57] <CIA-49> * Introduce a new method in BCountry to get the first day of week (monday or sunday)[19:13:57] <CIA-49> * Localize date in deskbar properly, and use the new API to show the calendar. The "show european date" checkbox is now gone.[19:14:42] <ali3n0> is there an app to keep time tracking?[19:15:02] *** vooshy has joined #haiku[19:15:20] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[19:15:37] <dru345> i've seen a couple on bebits.com ali3n0[19:15:38] *** brobostigon has quit IRC[19:15:43] <dru345> hi humdinger, vooshy[19:15:52] <vooshy> dru345: hi[19:15:59] <humdinger> hello[19:16:24] <dru345> vooshy am making wv now[19:16:53] <CIA-49> pulkomandy * r37345 /haiku/trunk/src/preferences/bluetooth/ (BluetoothMain.cpp BluetoothMain.h Jamfile): I forgot to update this one following Catalog API change. Sorry, and thanks to luroh for pinging me about it ![19:16:57] <vooshy> dru345: good stuff, any problems feel free to pm me[19:17:07] <dru345> all dependancies seem available for it[19:17:10] <dru345> ok vooshy[19:19:52] *** Shisui has quit IRC[19:23:47] *** korli has joined #haiku[19:23:48] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o korli[19:28:23] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[19:30:48] <CIA-49> pulkomandy * r37346 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/bluetooth/Jamfile: Fix DoCatalogs rule for Bluetooth that I broke earlier. Sorry again![19:34:11] *** marc_smith has joined #haiku[19:35:18] <johnny_b> wb marc_smith :)[19:35:42] <marc_smith> hello johnny_b[19:36:49] <marc_smith> I was just browsing haiku webpage and I'm wondering where is the main HQ of haiku. Looks like it's in FL, USA[19:37:09] <marc_smith> so the export law applies[19:37:19] <marc_smith> I mean - cryptography export[19:37:30] <mmadia> Haiku, Inc, the 501(c)3 is based in the US.[19:37:37] <OmniMancer> its an open source project, not sure it has a HQ[19:37:39] <marc_smith> thx[19:37:44] <mmadia> The Haiku Project doesn't have HQ.[19:37:59] <marc_smith> yeah, I know it's an open developmnent, but courts used to refer to the HQs[19:38:19] <marc_smith> so the project is oficially based in USA - well, probobly[19:39:01] <marc_smith> I may be wrong though[19:39:32] <OmniMancer> why do you have a problem?[19:39:42] <mmadia> I don't know if that's true. the 501(c)3 and the Project are two distinct groups.[19:39:50] <OmniMancer> besides most of the major devs are in germany :P[19:39:51] <CIA-49> mmadia * r37347 /haiku/trunk/build/jam/OptionalPackages: Updated Mercurial. Build provided by Chris Roberts.[19:40:10] <marc_smith> well, not really a problem, OmniMancer ;) I'm just thinking. We all know how weird the history can be - just look back at the BSD and BeOS lawsuits[19:40:25] <marc_smith> yeah - germany![19:40:49] <mmadia> like the 501(c)3 is an actual legal entity ... the Project is a collection of individuals.[19:40:56] <marc_smith> I like the way german government cares for the standarization, digital law and stuff[19:41:01] <CIA-49> pulkomandy * r37348 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/interface/TwoDimensionalLayout.cpp: Patch by Alex Wilson as part of GSoC 2010 : fix a crashing bug in BTwoDimensionalLayout::AlignWith() (ticket #6244).[19:41:47] <marc_smith> mmadia: yes, the legal entity which is the one who gets sued if something goes wrong[19:41:59] <marc_smith> let's hope it won't though ;)[19:46:33] *** MorbidAngel has joined #haiku[19:47:31] *** MorbidAngel has quit IRC[19:48:52] *** NeonLicht has joined #haiku[19:49:23] *** MorbidAngel has joined #haiku[19:52:06] *** MasterStarman has joined #haiku[19:53:53] *** MorbidAngel has left #haiku[19:54:39] *** Geoz has quit IRC[19:54:55] *** Macintech has joined #haiku[19:56:48] *** MasterStarman has quit IRC[19:56:49] *** Macintech is now known as MasterStarman[19:59:16] *** kurain__ has quit IRC[19:59:55] *** Xbertl has joined #haiku[20:03:43] <CIA-49> pulkomandy * r37349 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/deskbar/CalendarMenuWindow.cpp: Uncomment useful code.[20:04:08] *** tqh has joined #haiku[20:06:44] *** kurain__ has joined #haiku[20:08:45] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[20:09:47] *** acous has joined #haiku[20:10:01] *** Ingenu has joined #haiku[20:14:56] *** kurain___ has joined #haiku[20:17:36] <CIA-49> pulkomandy * r37350 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/deskbar/CalendarMenuWindow.cpp: fix the build. Thanks again to luroh for watching me![20:17:44] *** kurain__ has quit IRC[20:18:22] *** Geoz has joined #haiku[20:18:35] <mmadia> l_n ?[20:19:39] *** Skipp_OSX has joined #haiku[20:21:11] *** vooshy has quit IRC[20:23:04] *** tqh has quit IRC[20:23:42] *** humdinger has quit IRC[20:30:14] *** Mixer has quit IRC[20:33:24] <CIA-49> zooey * r37351 /haiku/branches/developer/zooey/posix-locale/ (7 files in 5 dirs):[20:33:24] <CIA-49> Allowed ICU backend to fallback to POSIX locale values as defined by the[20:33:24] <CIA-49> POSIX base specs, instead of using the ICU-specific values (which are[20:33:24] <CIA-49> different).[20:35:58] <CIA-49> zooey * r37352 /haiku/branches/developer/zooey/posix-locale/src/tests/system/libroot/posix/locale_test.cpp: * reactivated all existing tests[20:38:06] <CIA-49> zooey * r37353 /haiku/branches/developer/zooey/posix-locale/src/system/libroot/posix/locale/ICULocaleBackend.cpp: * implemented SetToPosix() for TimeData.[20:38:45] <CIA-49> zooey * r37354 /haiku/branches/developer/zooey/posix-locale/src/system/libroot/posix/locale/ICULocaleBackend.cpp: * clarified comment[20:40:39] <CIA-49> zooey * r37355 /haiku/branches/developer/zooey/posix-locale/ (3 files in 2 dirs):[20:40:39] <CIA-49> * added support for passing POSIX-specific data containers into LocaleBackend[20:40:39] <CIA-49> via LocaleDataBridge.[20:41:04] *** Alam_Squeeze has quit IRC[20:41:32] <CIA-49> zooey * r37356 /haiku/branches/developer/zooey/posix-locale/src/system/libroot/posix/locale/setlocale.cpp: * minor cleanup[20:43:38] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku[20:43:49] *** LoganA has quit IRC[20:47:40] *** marc_smith has quit IRC[20:49:41] *** marc_smith has joined #haiku[20:53:23] <Duggan> wow, people's been busy...[20:58:41] *** Alam_Squeeze has joined #haiku[21:03:14] *** kurain___ has quit IRC[21:05:12] <CIA-49> mmadia * r37357 /haiku/trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs):[21:05:13] <CIA-49> Moved the graphic for Installer to data/artwork. Updated Installer's rdef for[21:05:13] <CIA-49> the new file path. No functional change.[21:09:58] *** Alam_Squeeze has quit IRC[21:15:24] <dr_evil> 21:00 and 32°C outside, sunny :([21:16:38] *** tqh has joined #haiku[21:17:32] <The123king> Hmmm.... I can't rememeber the last time i booted into Windows after sertting up Haiku on this machine XD[21:18:02] *** Alam_Squeeze has joined #haiku[21:20:59] *** kmargar is now known as markos_[21:23:50] *** korli has quit IRC[21:25:12] <gluon> does a python binding exist for the haiku api?[21:26:08] <yourpalal> yes: http://haikuware.com/remository/view-details/development/language/bethon#comment-4777[21:27:46] <yourpalal> I don't know if that is current or if it how well it works on Haiku though.[21:28:31] <gluon> thanks yourpalal[21:28:35] <yourpalal> np :D[21:28:57] *** wry has joined #haiku[21:31:15] *** genki has joined #haiku[21:31:29] *** genki has quit IRC[21:38:40] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[21:39:03] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[21:39:52] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[21:43:29] *** strohi has joined #haiku[21:46:13] <CIA-49> anevilyak * r37358 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/tracker/AttributeStream.h: Fix typo spotted by Clang. 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