May 28, 2009 
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May 28, 2009 [00:00:25] *** boardbot25 has joined #haiku[00:01:34] *** expensivelesbian has quit IRC[00:01:53] *** arjen_ has quit IRC[00:02:52] *** ulterior_modem has quit IRC[00:04:05] *** ulterior_modem has joined #Haiku[00:07:53] *** ThomasShirley has quit IRC[00:08:17] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[00:10:24] *** tqh has quit IRC[00:11:48] *** gr00ber has quit IRC[00:15:36] *** xRaich[o]2x has quit IRC[00:16:16] *** ziomatto has quit IRC[00:19:50] *** BePhantom has joined #haiku[00:25:41] *** ulterior_modem has quit IRC[00:27:14] *** pfoetchen has joined #haiku[00:27:18] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[00:32:39] *** BePhantom has quit IRC[00:44:24] <stpere> meh[00:50:08] *** paul0 has joined #haiku[00:50:48] <stpere> guess I will code a bit in Haiku to change my mind :)[00:51:39] *** aljen has quit IRC[00:52:49] *** mattlacey has quit IRC[00:52:53] <mmadia> ..?[00:53:06] * umccullough changes stpere's mind[00:54:06] *** Megaf has joined #Haiku[00:54:20] *** Megaf_ has joined #Haiku[00:54:21] *** Megaf_ has quit IRC[00:54:42] <CIA-9> mmlr * r30884 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/translators/hvif/HVIFTranslator.cpp: Fix GCC4 build of the HVIFTranslator.[00:54:47] *** Megaf_ has joined #Haiku[00:55:04] <stpere> well, nothing special[00:55:15] <stpere> just a bit or boredomness[00:56:18] <stpere> yikes, I am 60 revision behind[00:58:19] *** cherrypai has quit IRC[00:58:58] *** cherrypie has joined #haiku[00:59:17] *** luroh has quit IRC[00:59:29] *** ThomasShirley has joined #haiku[01:00:17] *** umccullough_aa1 has joined #haiku[01:06:26] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[01:06:26] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[01:09:28] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[01:11:34] *** adamk_ has left #haiku[01:22:41] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[01:31:45] *** MegafEee has quit IRC[01:40:53] *** ThomasShirley has quit IRC[01:47:15] *** RandomInsano has joined #haiku[01:52:43] *** jprostko has joined #haiku[01:52:46] <CIA-9> mmlr * r30885 /haiku/trunk/data/system/boot/Bootscript.cd:[01:52:46] <CIA-9> In case we run a CD in safemode, we need to stop the CD bootscript after[01:52:46] <CIA-9> launching the console. Otherwise it will simply drop through to ejecting the CD[01:52:46] <CIA-9> and rebooting as if the installer completed.[02:09:01] *** Advant- has quit IRC[02:23:37] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[02:26:11] <mmadia> anyone good with shell scripting in BSD?[02:26:40] <mmadia> with this script : http://haiku.pastebin.com/d833bc0a i'm gotting this error : ./buildHaiku.sh: 2: Syntax error: word unexpected (expecting ")")[02:36:46] <CIA-9> mmlr * r30886 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/file_systems/iso9660/ (iso9660.cpp iso9660.h kernel_interface.cpp):[02:36:46] <CIA-9> Add actual support for relocated directories. In case we hit a placeholder file[02:36:46] <CIA-9> pointing to a relocated directory, we now re-initialize the node we are[02:36:46] <CIA-9> initializing with the first entry of the pointed at directory. This ought to be[02:36:48] <CIA-9> the "." entry containing the proper flags, start block number and data length.[02:36:49] <CIA-9> As per the specs we do only keep the file id or alternate name of the[02:36:52] <CIA-9> placeholder and take everything else from the relocated directory.[02:42:34] *** TheNerd has quit IRC[02:43:02] *** TheNerd has joined #haiku[02:50:27] *** paul0 has quit IRC[02:57:53] *** pfoetchen has quit IRC[02:58:43] *** Kokito has joined #haiku[03:05:58] *** ulterior_modem has joined #Haiku[03:07:35] *** DrHouse_Compaq has quit IRC[03:13:27] *** DrHouse_Compaq has joined #haiku[03:14:37] *** glootech has quit IRC[03:23:03] <PovAddict> any way of booting haiku over PXE?[03:23:50] <mmadia> a while back, marcus overhagen was working on it. though, i haven't heard of anyone using it lately.[03:24:06] <PovAddict> what about a live CD? :)[03:25:30] <mmadia> http://www.freelists.org/archive/haiku check 02-2009 for subject : Setting up Haiku to book Haiku through PXE[03:25:56] <mmadia> the live cd's need to be built from source. we're still in the process of updating our build factory to provide official images.[03:27:08] <mmadia> same mailing archive, 2008-10 : Setting up Windows to boot Haiku through PXE maybe of use as well.[03:28:26] <mmadia> have you considered a usb bootstick?[03:32:26] <PovAddict> that will do[03:32:38] <PovAddict> looks like it's a matter of copying the raw disk image into a USB drive, cool[03:32:46] <mmadia> if you dd it directly to the entire device, then you wont need to muck about with the boot sector.[03:33:09] <mmadia> (entire device instead of a partition on the device)[03:33:12] *** BePhantom has joined #haiku[03:34:58] *** BePhantom has quit IRC[03:35:21] *** BePhantom has joined #haiku[03:36:42] * PovAddict seems to have a USB drive with *no partition table*[03:37:39] <PovAddict> what's the partition type USB pendrives usually have?[03:38:19] <dwarfyperson> dos[03:38:36] <dwarfyperson> oh[03:38:39] <dwarfyperson> fat32[03:38:49] <PovAddict> 0B - W95 FAT32?[03:38:54] <dwarfyperson> dos partition table, fat32 partition[03:39:03] <dwarfyperson> and I would assume so[03:39:29] <PovAddict> there's also: 0C W95 FAT32 (LBA)[03:40:18] <dwarfyperson> I think you want the first one[03:40:20] <dwarfyperson> but then again[03:40:21] <PovAddict> wtf[03:40:25] <dwarfyperson> it won't matter[03:40:33] <PovAddict> I just plugged a "working" pendrive and it has W95 FAT16 (LBA)[03:40:37] <dwarfyperson> once you dd it it will be befs[03:41:06] <PovAddict> dwarfyperson: I wanted to see if I could recover data off this drive with corrupted partition table :P[03:41:19] <dwarfyperson> oh[03:41:27] <dwarfyperson> probably difficult given it's flash memory[03:41:49] <mmadia> PovAddict why not dd from the usb stick to a file as a backup? :)[03:42:14] <PovAddict> if I look at /dev/sdg with a hex editor, it seems to have *data* from the first byte of the device[03:42:40] <PovAddict> weird stuff[03:42:43] <mmadia> then you'd be able to dd that file back to the usb stick later and try fixing it.. if something fouls up, dd the file and try again[03:42:56] <PovAddict> the first chunk of data in the device:[03:42:57] <PovAddict> _DEFAULT<FF><FF><F2><D3>^@^KcroppedEdge<FF><FF>ՙ^@^RWINDOW_DEICONIFIED<FF><FF><E4><EE>^@^OtempoInMPQCache<FF><FF><F7>N^@^OtempoInBPMCache[03:43:18] <PovAddict> it goes on with more words and binary in between[03:44:12] *** RandomInsano has quit IRC[03:44:26] * PovAddict thinks this thing has hardware issues[03:47:52] *** rkbm has quit IRC[03:48:09] *** rkbm has joined #haiku[03:52:56] <CIA-9> mmlr * r30887 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/file_systems/layers/attribute_overlay/attribute_overlay.cpp:[03:52:56] <CIA-9> Add functionality for removing a attribute file. In case a file is (re-)moved[03:52:56] <CIA-9> we will later remove the attribute backing file using this.[03:57:50] *** Kokito has quit IRC[04:02:34] <CIA-9> mmlr * r30888 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/file_systems/layers/attribute_overlay/attribute_overlay.cpp:[04:02:34] <CIA-9> Invalidate our cached inode numbers when removing the attribute file. Basically[04:02:34] <CIA-9> we want to ensure that we re-enumerate our environment when eventually writing[04:02:34] <CIA-9> a new one as it has most probably changed.[04:02:46] *** svensko has joined #haiku[04:05:13] *** rcjsuen_ has joined #haiku[04:12:24] <CIA-9> mmlr * r30889 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/file_systems/layers/attribute_overlay/attribute_overlay.cpp:[04:12:25] <CIA-9> When writing an attribute store file the parent directory might have been[04:12:25] <CIA-9> invalidated since the creation of the object. If this is the case we have to[04:12:25] <CIA-9> look it up again.[04:13:16] <CIA-9> mmlr * r30890 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/file_systems/layers/attribute_overlay/attribute_overlay.cpp: Add missing put_vnode() in error case.[04:22:22] *** rcjsuen has quit IRC[04:26:46] *** svensko has quit IRC[04:27:27] *** svensko has joined #haiku[04:27:40] *** svensko has quit IRC[04:27:44] *** DrHouse_Compaq has quit IRC[04:28:07] *** svensko has joined #haiku[04:36:34] <CIA-9> mmlr * r30891 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/file_systems/layers/write_overlay/write_overlay.cpp: Fix leaking the old entry name when renaming actually succeeds.[04:39:16] *** Megaf_ has quit IRC[04:39:28] *** Megaf has quit IRC[04:41:11] *** BePhantom_ has joined #haiku[04:42:04] *** Negr0 has quit IRC[04:45:01] *** Megaf has joined #Haiku[04:45:28] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[04:52:07] *** Maya-sama has quit IRC[04:52:07] *** hackkitten has quit IRC[04:58:23] *** BePhantom has quit IRC[04:59:51] *** Rakhun has joined 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d3rdok is now known as docphenix[06:53:33] *** Elledan is now known as hackkitten[06:54:23] *** BePhantom_ has quit IRC[06:59:27] *** mmadia has quit IRC[06:59:46] *** wtracy has joined #haiku[07:08:16] *** BePhantom_ has joined #haiku[07:11:58] *** docphenix has quit IRC[07:12:14] *** BePhantom_ has quit IRC[07:13:40] *** MegafEee has joined #Haiku[07:15:49] *** BePhantom has joined #haiku[07:16:48] *** RandomInsano has joined #haiku[07:17:19] *** RandomInsano has joined #haiku[07:45:25] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[07:53:46] *** cherrypai has quit IRC[07:54:04] *** cherrypai has joined #haiku[07:57:14] *** wtracy has quit IRC[08:03:32] *** BePhantom_ has joined #haiku[08:20:31] *** nikla has joined #haiku[08:20:45] *** BePhantom has quit IRC[08:27:47] *** BePhantom_ has quit IRC[08:28:16] *** Androo has quit IRC[08:30:45] *** expensivelesbian has joined #haiku[08:35:00] *** Paradoxon has joined #haiku[08:35:22] *** Megaf_ has joined #Haiku[08:41:35] *** Advant- has joined #Haiku[08:45:04] *** skarmiglione has joined #haiku[08:45:07] *** d3rdok has joined #haiku[08:45:34] *** d3rdok is now known as docphenix[08:52:39] *** Megaf has quit IRC[09:03:49] *** nikla has quit IRC[09:08:25] *** hisoka999 has joined #haiku[09:26:14] *** mattlacey has quit IRC[09:27:35] *** cherrypai has quit IRC[09:29:37] * umccullough chirps[09:29:44] *** skarmiglione has quit IRC[09:35:42] <geist> chomp[09:35:46] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[09:36:56] *** xRaich[o]2x has joined #haiku[09:40:39] *** markos_ has joined #haiku[09:41:32] <umccullough> i have a new haiku mascot[09:42:02] <umccullough> ftp://ftp.binarychicken.com/misc/umccullough_duck.jpg[09:42:03] <mmadia> idunno, i think you've gone quackers umccullough[09:42:08] <umccullough> :)[09:42:23] <umccullough> i caught some bugs flying around the house and fed him this evening[09:42:36] <umccullough> he especially likes "mosquito hawks"[09:42:47] <umccullough> but he also ate a nice juicy moth[09:45:38] <umccullough> here he is showing his appreciation for one of my Haiku machines: ftp://ftp.binarychicken.com/misc/duck_appreciation.jpg[09:45:52] <umccullough> sorry that the "[09:45:59] <umccullough> "detail" next to him is blurry ;)[09:49:27] *** cherrypai has joined #haiku[09:50:43] <mmadia> it almost looks like a cracked walnut[09:50:59] <umccullough> not one you'd wanna eat :P[09:52:19] *** UiX has joined #haiku[09:52:58] <MrSunshine_> umccullough, cute =)[09:53:14] <umccullough> until he shits on you[09:53:43] <MrSunshine_> ye :P[09:53:49] <umccullough> from earlier today:[09:53:50] <umccullough> [13:07] <umccullough> hang on..my duck just shat on me :/[09:53:50] <umccullough> [13:07] * PovAddict wonders if that's to be taken literally[09:53:50] <umccullough> [13:09] <umccullough> yes[09:53:50] <umccullough> [13:09] <umccullough> sadly[09:53:56] <MrSunshine_> and without remorse, and still he is as cute after that :P[09:54:23] * umccullough hopes PovAddict appreciates the highlight ;)[09:56:34] *** Ingenu has joined #Haiku[09:56:47] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[09:57:11] <umccullough> heh, you can actually see that conversation in the first photo :D[09:57:33] *** mmadia has quit IRC[09:59:41] *** ThomasShirley has joined #haiku[10:08:15] *** redblue has quit IRC[10:27:11] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[10:30:15] *** umccullough_aa1 has quit IRC[10:30:48] *** glootech has joined #haiku[10:32:59] *** Svarthandske has joined #haiku[10:35:41] *** RandomInsano has quit IRC[10:40:17] <Paradoxon> hi[10:40:31] <Paradoxon> just a really stupid question :)[10:40:48] <Paradoxon> how do i add my programm to a haiku image[10:40:54] <Paradoxon> with the 3rdparty[10:40:59] <Paradoxon> directory[10:41:04] <Paradoxon> i did configure --include-3rdparty[10:41:35] <Paradoxon> i put in the userconfig DeferredSubInclude HAIKU_TOP 3rdparty projectconceptor : Jamfile ;[10:42:19] <Paradoxon> and my jamfile is in 3rdparty/projectconceptor/Jamfile[10:42:22] <Paradoxon> ...[10:43:05] <Paradoxon> ah...[10:43:13] <Paradoxon> and i am compiling on a mac os x system[10:46:37] *** ThomasShirley_ has joined #haiku[10:52:25] *** salvatore_ has joined #haiku[10:58:36] <PulkoMandy> Paradoxon, you have to make your jamfile copy the binaries to the image[10:59:02] <PulkoMandy> else, the probram will be compiled but stay in the generated/ folder.[10:59:04] <Paradoxon> but i cant see building it[10:59:07] <Paradoxon> ...[10:59:16] *** ThomasShirley has quit IRC[10:59:27] <PulkoMandy> and i don't think you have to alter userbuildconfig[10:59:37] <PulkoMandy> as 3rdparty subfolders are automatically included[10:59:44] *** Barrett` has joined #haiku[10:59:50] *** aakwo has joined #haiku[10:59:51] <PulkoMandy> ah right, if it isn't in the image, the dependancy generation will left it out[10:59:58] <PulkoMandy> so it won't be built at all[11:00:05] <Paradoxon> This means?[11:00:34] *** UiX has quit IRC[11:00:37] <PulkoMandy> jam tries to build the haiku image, and it only builds what's needed for that[11:00:38] <Paradoxon> sorry not so familiar with jam and haiku building process[11:00:53] <PulkoMandy> you have to add something like AddFileToHaikuImage yourapp[11:01:01] <PulkoMandy> i don't remember exactly how to write it[11:01:13] <PulkoMandy> look in other folders to see how the jamfiles are doing that[11:01:15] <Paradoxon> i guess i have seen this already[11:01:29] <Paradoxon> somewhere[11:05:34] *** Paradoxon has quit IRC[11:06:29] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[11:06:29] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[11:09:37] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[11:11:26] *** Paradoxon has joined #haiku[11:11:38] <Paradoxon> ups killed tab[11:11:40] <Paradoxon> :-([11:11:45] <Paradoxon> but now it works[11:11:48] <Paradoxon> thanks[11:12:00] <Paradoxon> AddFilesToHaikuImage was right[11:12:02] <Paradoxon> :)[11:24:00] <PulkoMandy> :)[11:34:05] *** ThomasShirley_ has quit IRC[11:35:32] *** ThomasShirley has joined #haiku[11:41:49] *** ThomasShirley has quit IRC[11:42:09] <Paradoxon> now i only need to adjust all jamfiles..[11:42:17] <Paradoxon> because i only maintained the makefiles :([11:42:20] <Paradoxon> :-D[11:47:49] *** andreas_dr has joined #haiku[11:59:00] *** andreas_dr has quit IRC[12:00:38] *** ThomasShirley has joined #haiku[12:03:34] *** salvatore_ has quit IRC[12:09:53] *** Verdant_Machine has joined #haiku[12:10:55] *** ThomasShirley has quit IRC[12:12:56] *** V_Machine has quit IRC[12:15:50] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[12:23:03] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[12:27:25] *** adamk_ has joined #haiku[12:33:17] *** TheNerd has quit IRC[12:33:41] <CIA-9> zooey * r30892 /haiku/trunk/headers/private/locale/ (langinfo.h monetary.h nl_types.h):[12:33:41] <CIA-9> * reverted r30883 and made these three headers private for the locale kit for[12:33:41] <CIA-9> now, fixing the build[12:42:01] *** jps42 has joined #haiku[12:42:12] *** nikla has joined #haiku[12:42:23] <jps42> evening all...[12:45:29] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[12:47:21] *** TheNerd has joined 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#haiku[14:31:14] <CIA-9> mmlr * r30893 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/file_systems/layers/attribute_overlay/attribute_overlay.cpp:[14:31:14] <CIA-9> Fix two instances of handing wrong vnodes to the next layer in attribute_overlay.[14:31:14] <CIA-9> The target vnode in link and the toDir vnode in rename were passed directly,[14:31:14] <CIA-9> meaning that an attribute_overlay vnode was handed to the next layer causing[14:31:15] <CIA-9> crashes when moving/renaming a file on ISO-only CDs for example. Fixes #3885.[14:36:25] *** markos_ has quit IRC[14:54:17] <xRaich[o]2x> is there a way exclude drivers when booting haiku?[14:56:52] <xRaich[o]2x> ah space[14:56:56] *** VinDuv has joined #haiku[14:57:18] <adamk_> You can disable user add-ons that are installed in ~/config/add-ons/[14:57:27] <adamk_> Not sure if you can disable *specific* drivers.[14:59:02] <xRaich[o]2x> hm doesn't help[14:59:38] <xRaich[o]2x> and since that glorious bios i can't even disable my ethernet card[15:00:25] <oxygene> and the driver fails on it?[15:01:11] <xRaich[o]2x> at least i have a suspicion. the card produces an NMI.[15:01:29] *** octagon has joined #haiku[15:01:55] <xRaich[o]2x> i'm 80% sure that it's the network card. i has been a problem on several oses[15:01:59] <xRaich[o]2x> it[15:02:12] <oxygene> xRaich[o]2x: hm.. does it help to unplug it? that would at least reduce the incoming events on the card[15:02:42] <xRaich[o]2x> it's a laptop[15:03:01] <oxygene> I meant the cable[15:03:24] <xRaich[o]2x> it's not even connected to the network[15:03:32] <oxygene> ah, hmm..[15:04:05] *** andreas_dr has joined #haiku[15:04:51] <xRaich[o]2x> it's actually an utter piece of crap but the old haiku releases at least booted on it and worked kind of ok[15:04:52] *** mattlacey_ has joined #haiku[15:04:56] *** octagon is now known as octagon_[15:04:59] <xRaich[o]2x> now it just hangs[15:05:31] <oxygene> hmm.. have a linux with befs driver around?[15:05:32] <xRaich[o]2x> and i can't pinpoint the problem without disabling the hardware in question[15:05:57] <xRaich[o]2x> nope[15:06:34] <xRaich[o]2x> that thing won't even boot from CD. the bios has the glorious idea of ignoring the presence of the drive -_-[15:07:01] <xRaich[o]2x> thank good fujitsu siemens is no more. it's just bs[15:07:11] <HeTo> xRaich[o]2x: have you tried just continue at the KDL prompt?[15:07:19] <xRaich[o]2x> HeTo: sure[15:07:27] <xRaich[o]2x> that worked on older releases[15:07:31] <oxygene> hmm.. run the cdrom in emulation, install onto disk from there. delete the driver, then try booting that?[15:08:52] <xRaich[o]2x> oxygene: i can install from usb, that's not the point[15:09:22] *** TheNerd_LT is now known as TheNerd[15:10:24] <oxygene> xRaich[o]2x: the point is that you want to get rid of the driver, right?[15:10:59] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[15:11:26] <oxygene> xRaich[o]2x: so if you have a a usb device with haiku handy, boot that in emulation (qemu is good enough) and kill the driver. that should solve your problem, right?[15:13:04] *** SiCuTDeUx_ has joined #haiku[15:14:11] *** mattlacey has quit IRC[15:16:42] <miqlas> added further wifi-stack components[15:16:42] <miqlas> begin porting of ieee80211_haiku.c component - http://dev.osdrawer.net/repositories/revision/93?rev=35[15:17:23] <miqlas> ieee80211_node.c now compiles - http://dev.osdrawer.net/repositories/revision/93?rev=34[15:17:29] <xRaich[o]2x> well. looks like it's not the driver after all -_-[15:17:42] <xRaich[o]2x> i should just scrap this piece of junk...[15:29:10] *** hisoka999 has quit IRC[15:33:49] <helf|laptop> morning[15:37:30] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[15:37:30] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[15:42:15] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[15:52:42] *** franxico has joined #haiku[15:54:24] <franxico> anyone getting proxy error in Trac too?[15:55:10] *** tombhadAC has joined #haiku[15:59:55] <CIA-9> stpere * r30894 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/tracker/ (InfoWindow.cpp InfoWindow.h):[15:59:55] <CIA-9> Replaces NodeMonitor by PathMonitor in the InfoWindow to update the calculated size of the directory when a change happen.[15:59:55] <CIA-9> This implement the suggestion in ticket #2868.[16:04:58] *** mattlacey_ has quit IRC[16:06:49] *** VinDuv is now known as VinDuv|away[16:06:58] *** VinDuv|away is now known as VinDuv[16:07:19] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[16:11:28] *** glootech has quit IRC[16:13:42] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[16:19:04] *** Master199 has joined #haiku[16:22:46] *** tqh has joined #haiku[16:23:24] *** oxocoffee has joined #haiku[16:26:03] * mmadia drinks oxocoffee[16:26:16] <mmadia> mmm... coffee with hugs and kisses.[16:27:54] <stpere> :P[16:30:12] <oxocoffee> hahah[16:31:19] *** bfrank has joined #haiku[16:37:22] <helf|laptop> anyone have any rdram?[16:37:37] <helf|laptop> i got to take home some old machines from work and ones a p4 1.8 but no ram..[16:41:46] <umccullough> yes, but i'm using it :)[16:42:11] <umccullough> as in, the only rdram i have is in the only rdram-based machine i have ;)[16:42:34] <helf|laptop> heh[16:42:44] <helf|laptop> i shipped of my last 4 sticks to a friend...[16:42:45] <umccullough> BUT, if the machine ever died...[16:42:58] <umccullough> i think i only have 384mb[16:43:21] <helf|laptop> 2x128 + 2x64 im guessing[16:43:33] <helf|laptop> ill snag some for dirt off ebay later :)[16:43:37] <umccullough> something like that[16:44:37] *** GeneralMaximus has joined #haiku[16:47:00] <mmadia> greetings GeneralMaximus[16:47:23] <helf|laptop> GeneralMaximus, WE SALUTE YOU![16:47:24] *** andreas_dr has quit IRC[16:47:39] <GeneralMaximus> hi :)[16:48:05] <GeneralMaximus> done with exams. code time :p[16:48:20] <miqlas> Hello, GM![16:48:28] <GeneralMaximus> miqlas: hi :)[16:49:04] <miqlas> Heya![16:50:03] <GeneralMaximus> does anybody know if i can boot haiku off a USB on a Mac?[16:51:01] <GeneralMaximus> i mean, does it work okay? no EFI troubles, etc.[16:52:10] <andguent> afaik it doesn't work yet[16:52:29] <andguent> there was some progress but it was nothing like a useable system[16:52:59] <andguent> but of course. just try and post your results ;)[16:57:09] <GeneralMaximus> will do tha[16:57:11] <GeneralMaximus> *that[16:58:06] *** Hugen has joined #haiku[16:58:16] <Hugen> h all[16:58:19] <Hugen> hi all[16:58:21] <Hugen> :)[17:01:50] *** franxico has quit IRC[17:03:40] *** aljen has joined #haiku[17:03:52] <aljen> hey[17:10:51] *** DrHouse_Compaq has joined #haiku[17:11:49] *** Master199 has quit IRC[17:17:17] *** halfhelf has joined #haiku[17:17:25] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[17:17:26] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[17:17:28] *** halfhelf has quit IRC[17:22:12] *** Master199 has joined #haiku[17:24:43] *** iMax_pp has joined #haiku[17:28:54] *** pfoetchen has joined #haiku[17:29:53] <CIA-9> mmlr * r30895 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/file_systems/layers/write_overlay/write_overlay.cpp:[17:29:53] <CIA-9> We don't want to use the OVERLAY_CALL macro for can_page() as it returns a bool[17:29:53] <CIA-9> and not a status_t. In case of virtual files it would have wrongly returned[17:29:53] <CIA-9> B_UNSUPPORTED, resulting in true instead of false.[17:31:09] *** Hugen has quit IRC[17:35:35] *** nibble has quit IRC[17:36:41] <mmu_man> plop[17:38:04] *** thotypous has joined #haiku[17:38:20] *** GeneralMaximus has quit IRC[17:43:57] *** rcjsuen has quit IRC[17:48:12] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[17:59:30] *** pfoetchen has quit IRC[17:59:56] *** JonathanThompson has joined #Haiku[18:00:59] <CIA-9> mmlr * r30896 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/network/stack/net_socket.cpp: Propagate error codes in FIONREAD. Fixes bug #3973.[18:05:38] *** AlexForster has joined #haiku[18:14:27] *** andreas_dr has joined #haiku[18:15:20] <CIA-9> mmlr * r30897 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/file_systems/layers/write_overlay/write_overlay.cpp: Move the B_UNSUPPORTED return into the macro. 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<groobey> clack[19:30:45] <pyCube> schlitz[19:30:56] <groobey> bing![19:31:34] *** flyfish has joined #Haiku[19:33:26] *** cherrypai has joined #haiku[19:41:10] *** TheNerd_LT has joined #haiku[19:41:48] *** DrHouse_Compaq has quit IRC[19:44:24] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[19:46:14] <Barrett`> mmadia, ?[19:46:32] <mmadia> can i pick your brain on building hybrids? :)[19:46:57] <Barrett`> : D[19:47:19] <mmadia> basically i'm not sure if it's needed to re-call configure with --cross-tools-prefix <blah>[19:47:30] <Barrett`> mmadia, to compile hybrids[19:47:56] <Barrett`> first i configure normally with the "base" build-type[19:48:13] <Barrett`> uhm 1 second[19:49:52] <Barrett`> first configure a directory, generated.gcc2[19:49:56] <Barrett`> for example[19:49:57] *** wtracy has quit IRC[19:50:44] <Barrett`> and then configure, normally with the parameter ../configure --build-cross-tools-gcc4 x86 ../../buildtools/ --alternative-gcc-output-dir ../generated.gcc2[19:50:53] <mmadia> then configure generated.gcc4 --build-cross-tools-gcc4 x86 ../../buildtools --alternative-gcc-output-dir ../generated.x86-gcc2[19:51:02] <Barrett`> : )[19:51:24] <mmadia> but after those configures, would i need to re-run configure with --cross-tools-prefix ?[19:51:43] <Barrett`> no[19:52:25] <Barrett`> this should work, i remember[19:52:27] <mmadia> really? cool.[19:52:35] <Barrett`> : D[19:53:30] <Barrett`> i configured the build factory 2 weeks ago, and i don't remember very perfectly, but this work i think[19:53:31] <Barrett`> : )[19:53:50] *** DrHouse_Compaq has joined #haiku[19:54:28] *** VinDuv is now known as VinDuv|away[19:54:45] <Barrett`> mmadia, the hybrids images will be available on haiku-files?[19:56:23] <Barrett`> mmadia, don't configure a generated.gcc4 with the parameter --alternative-gcc...[19:56:52] <Barrett`> you must configure first a generated.gcc2 directory and then normally a generated directory[19:57:25] <mmadia> Barrett` : I dont use "generated" at all :)[19:57:38] <Barrett`> i remember using generated.gcc4 the system was not working[19:57:48] <Barrett`> the build system i mean[19:57:53] <Barrett`> ok lol[19:57:54] *** TheNerd has quit IRC[19:57:55] <Hugen> Barret: but this method you compile gcc4hybrid, you know?[19:58:04] <Barrett`> Hugen, yes[19:58:30] <Barrett`> i gave only an example[19:59:10] <Hugen> ok[19:59:43] *** TheNerd_LT has quit IRC[19:59:50] * mmadia gets back to scripting :)[20:00:04] *** megaf_ has joined #Haiku[20:02:24] *** nibble has joined #haiku[20:02:46] * Hugen pings umccullough[20:16:13] *** rindolf has joined #haiku[20:16:20] <rindolf> Hi all.[20:18:03] *** megaf has quit IRC[20:19:50] *** VinDuv|away is now known as VinDuv[20:20:57] *** adamk_ has quit IRC[20:23:52] *** expensivelesbian has left #haiku[20:26:08] *** Androo has joined #haiku[20:34:17] *** AlexForster has joined #haiku[20:35:40] *** MrSunshine has joined #haiku[20:38:36] *** Svarthandske has quit IRC[20:40:44] *** MrSunshine_ has quit 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<JonathanThompson> When did they make the last ones, stpere ? :P[21:12:41] *** korli has joined #haiku[21:12:42] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o korli[21:13:03] <stpere> JonathanThompson: last century? :)[21:13:19] <JonathanThompson> That's what I thought :)[21:13:23] <umccullough> last millenium[21:13:26] <stpere> lol[21:13:26] <umccullough> :D[21:13:31] <JonathanThompson> (That too)[21:14:31] <umccullough> Hugen, feel free to post to that free-dc.org thread[21:15:29] <PovAddict> umccullough: what was the compiler on that P4 machine?[21:15:37] <Hugen> he he[21:15:39] <umccullough> gcc4.3.3[21:15:44] *** iMax_pp has quit IRC[21:15:52] <umccullough> PovAddict, want me to start it back up?[21:16:01] <PovAddict> it might be that I didn't enable optimizations but... your haiku machine took 51 seconds to do that BOINC WU[21:16:05] <PovAddict> while another user took 9 secs[21:16:50] <umccullough> there's no possibility that the client is disabling (or not enabling) certain cpu features?[21:17:04] <umccullough> oh, and i was running that on an atom[21:17:07] <PovAddict> http://stuff.povaddict.com.ar:8080/boinctest/workunit.php?wuid=1725 computer 94 was you[21:17:54] <umccullough> well, i know for a fact that the boinc benchmark runs slow[21:18:04] <umccullough> due to not enabling sse/mmx/etc[21:18:14] <umccullough> i need to finish that code :([21:18:29] <PovAddict> just a matter of giving the right compiler switches :)[21:18:37] <umccullough> i'll fire it back up for you[21:18:53] *** VinDuv|away is now known as VinDuv[21:19:44] <umccullough> PovAddict, should be running again[21:20:09] <PovAddict> argh env :)[21:20:17] <PovAddict> what was that setup-environment script again?[21:20:46] <umccullough> its /boot/system/boot/SetupEnvironment[21:20:53] *** arjen_ has quit IRC[21:21:44] <mmadia> umccullough : what about /boot/home/config/boot/ ?[21:22:01] *** DrHouse_Compaq has quit IRC[21:22:07] <umccullough> mmadia, it seems when you ssh to a haiku box running sshd, it doesn't get the environment[21:22:15] <umccullough> can you confirm that?[21:22:22] <umccullough> i don't know if it's because it's missing the sh --login[21:22:34] <mmadia> nope. i still haven't figured out how to ssh into another haiku box :\[21:22:39] <umccullough> oh[21:22:43] <mmadia> or was that scp ?[21:22:45] <umccullough> well... i can let you ssh to mine :)[21:22:48] *** rindolf has left #haiku[21:22:53] <umccullough> when PovAddict is finished ;)[21:23:40] <PovAddict> ok big difference... heh... default settings: 23 seconds[21:24:12] <umccullough> what did you change?[21:24:31] <PovAddict> nothing, must be a different CPU :P[21:24:34] <PovAddict> important thing is[21:24:40] <PovAddict> with -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Release (which adds -O3), went down to 12 seconds[21:24:57] <umccullough> ah, so -O3 makes a huge difference?[21:25:07] <umccullough> isn't the default -O2 ?[21:25:29] <PovAddict> default is no opts[21:25:43] *** jprostko has left #haiku[21:26:09] <umccullough> i see[21:26:12] <umccullough> anyhow, i'll bbl[21:26:50] <PovAddict> my code is quite small, so when any opts are enabled, it gets so inlined that the generated code only has a main()[21:27:58] *** glootech has joined #haiku[21:28:26] <HeTo> but does -O3 still do the right thing?[21:28:47] <PovAddict> hmm?[21:29:10] *** pfoetchen has joined #haiku[21:29:18] *** DrHouse_Compaq has joined #haiku[21:29:39] <HeTo> at least I've heard it might optimise the code too much, so it's not recommended to use that while building (something you haven't made) unless it's been tested to still work correctly[21:30:33] <PovAddict> I don't care about exact numerical accuracy when averaging random numbers ;)[21:33:04] * JonathanThompson wonders of PovAddict is an addict of the 3D raytracer[21:33:16] *** tqh has joined #haiku[21:33:17] *** tty3 has joined #haiku[21:33:21] <tty3> Hello[21:33:25] <PovAddict> JonathanThompson: was; but too late to change my nickname now :P[21:33:32] <JonathanThompson> Ah :D[21:33:33] <tty3> How i download Haiku for install in my disk?[21:33:35] <tty3> ?[21:33:40] <oxygene> PovAddict: you care about that, if the compiler decides to optimize all your random numbers to 0[21:33:54] <JonathanThompson> It's a very effective way of heating a room inefficiently if you choose a large enough resolution/complex enough scene, PovAddict :D[21:34:19] <PovAddict> JonathanThompson: I use BOINC, my CPU has been at full load since I bought this computer[21:34:28] <PovAddict> oxygene: what compiler would be that stupid?[21:34:37] <JonathanThompson> How long ago did you buy it, PovAddict ?[21:34:43] * JonathanThompson calls the ASPCA[21:34:48] <JonathanThompson> Or is that ASPCC...[21:34:58] <JonathanThompson> Association for Prevention of Cruelty to Computers :D[21:35:03] <PovAddict> 2 yrs?[21:35:14] <PovAddict> 16:38:06 up 6 days, 2:31, 1 user, load average: 2.36, 2.26, 2.25[21:35:33] <oxygene> PovAddict: happens to the best of them. esp. when the compiler starts making assumptions that are well hidden in the language specification and thus break on lots of code in reality. high optimization levels do that, sometimes[21:36:01] <tty3> Cnan help me, please?[21:36:20] <oxygene> PovAddict: so it's actually the code that's broken (ie. not written to the standard), it just doesn't matter usually because the compiler writers delegate those "risky" optimizations to the "warning, do not use" levels[21:37:03] *** expensivelesbian has joined #haiku[21:38:48] *** tty3 has quit IRC[21:43:53] *** _-Caleb-_ has joined #haiku[21:44:57] <_-Caleb-_> hi all[21:46:04] <hackkitten> hi[21:47:14] <_-Caleb-_> hi hackkitten[21:47:18] <_-Caleb-_> :)[21:47:31] <hackkitten> :)[21:47:36] <groobey> :)[21:47:41] <groobey> fucking smiley fest[21:47:43] <PovAddict> meow[21:47:47] <hackkitten> mew~[21:47:47] *** glootech_ has joined #haiku[21:47:51] <hackkitten> ^-^[21:47:59] <groobey> (.) (.)[21:48:06] <hackkitten> >.>[21:48:11] <PovAddict> eyes or tits?[21:48:13] <_-Caleb-_> xD ^-^[21:48:14] <groobey> tits[21:48:24] <PovAddict> woot[21:48:26] * hackkitten 'accidentally' lights groobey on fire~[21:48:30] <hackkitten> whoops~[21:48:32] <_-Caleb-_> lol[21:48:33] <_-Caleb-_> XD[21:48:38] <hackkitten> :3[21:48:52] * groobey intentionally sets fire on the kitten[21:48:59] * hackkitten dodges gracefully~ (o/[21:49:17] <groobey> you can't. ye'r fried.[21:49:18] <groobey> HAHA[21:49:26] * hackkitten is omnipotent >.>[21:49:34] * hackkitten is ceiling cat :3~[21:49:37] <groobey> no, no. it's called impotent[21:49:53] * hackkitten just laughs[21:49:58] * groobey joins[21:51:17] *** adamk_ has joined #haiku[21:51:19] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[21:58:04] *** glootech__ has joined #haiku[21:58:40] *** korli sets mode: +o mmadia[22:00:51] <Hugen> hi glootech[22:01:34] *** DrHouse_Compaq has quit IRC[22:02:48] *** glootech has quit IRC[22:07:43] *** atomozero has quit IRC[22:09:43] *** oco has joined #haiku[22:11:53] <Barrett`> hai support now the pcmcia cards?[22:13:21] *** clay_ has quit IRC[22:13:43] <CIA-9> korli * r30900 /haiku/trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs):[22:13:43] <CIA-9> * Includes termios.h in sys/ioctl.h, for TIOCGWINSZ.[22:13:43] <CIA-9> * added watch command, which executes a program periodically, showing output full screen.[22:13:43] <CIA-9> * added watch to the image.[22:14:04] *** Clay_ has joined #haiku[22:15:32] *** glootech_ has quit IRC[22:16:43] *** glootech has joined #haiku[22:17:13] *** wtracy has joined #haiku[22:24:40] <Barrett`> anyone want to take a look to the new networks preferences?[22:24:47] <Barrett`> mmadia ? : )[22:26:39] <mmadia> pre-built? :)[22:27:00] <Barrett`> anyway, www.bluehq.altervista.org/Network , set chmod +x and create the /boot/home/preflet direcotry[22:27:15] <Barrett`> mmadia, yes : D[22:27:44] <mmadia> it seems to be uploaded as text.[22:27:48] <Barrett`> i'm working on movin of networks from a location to anoter[22:27:53] <Barrett`> mmadia, it is a binary[22:27:55] <Barrett`> use wget[22:27:57] <Barrett`> : D[22:28:03] *** glootech__ has quit IRC[22:28:19] <PovAddict> mime type fail[22:28:49] <Barrett`> PovAddict, uh?[22:28:59] <PovAddict> Content-Type: text/plain[22:29:10] <mmadia> even with wget[22:29:21] *** skarmiglione has joined #haiku[22:29:34] <Barrett`> 1 sec[22:30:17] <CIA-9> rudolfc * r30901 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/accelerants/nvidia/engine/nv_i2c.c:[22:30:17] <CIA-9> comments update only. There's now enough info to implement actual use of[22:30:17] <CIA-9> DDC/EDID (I hope). It will be mixed with the old methods, since on some cards[22:30:17] <CIA-9> DDC fails for some connectors, and laptops don't use DDC for their internal[22:30:17] <CIA-9> panels at all.[22:31:36] *** Barrett|Haiku has joined #haiku[22:32:26] <Barrett|Haiku> hmmm i tried nowv to download them[22:32:30] <Barrett|Haiku> and work[22:33:22] <mmadia> http://haiku.pastebin.com/d5ebad76b[22:33:31] <CIA-9> korli * r30902 /haiku/trunk/src/ (6 files in 6 dirs): * various fixes identified by gcc4, provided by Joe Prostko[22:34:54] <Barrett|Haiku> mmadia, ah[22:34:58] <Barrett|Haiku> chmod +x Network[22:35:05] <Barrett|Haiku> it will work[22:35:21] <Barrett|Haiku> probably linux doesnt set them as an executable[22:35:31] <Barrett|Haiku> remember to create /boot/home/preflet[22:35:55] <mmadia> cool :)[22:36:12] <Barrett`> : )[22:36:27] <PulkoMandy> +++[22:36:31] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[22:36:56] <helf|laptop> http://www.flickr.com/photos/helfer/3574322562/[22:37:31] *** Paradoxon has quit IRC[22:38:50] <Barrett`> unfortunately, in the next weeks i will do the maturity at my high school[22:39:03] <Barrett`> i hope to have the time to finish the preflet[22:39:27] <Barrett`> i'm interested to work on the pppoe driver[22:40:18] <mmadia> are you going to college next year?[22:40:24] <Barrett|Haiku> yes mmadia[22:40:24] *** Negr0 has joined #haiku[22:40:27] <Barrett|Haiku> : )[22:40:35] <mmadia> *cough* GSoC *cough*[22:40:48] <Barrett|Haiku> hehehe : )[22:40:59] <mmadia> every application helps :)[22:41:23] <Barrett|Haiku> yeah[22:43:26] *** Barrett|Haiku has quit IRC[22:43:50] <Barrett`> damned virtual machines[22:44:11] <PovAddict> I tried haiku in VirtualBox[22:44:26] <PovAddict> haiku hanged once, VirtualBox crashed 4 times[22:45:32] <Barrett`> PovAddict, i remember that there are some bugs in the trac[22:45:55] <umccullough> if virtualbox crashes...that's their fault :P[22:46:01] <PovAddict> yep[22:47:50] <umccullough> PovAddict, looks like you can generate a vbox crash by just clicking the URL in the AboutSystem: http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/3364[22:48:04] <umccullough> of course, that's 2.0.2[22:48:47] <Barrett`> umccullough, you know the reason of these problems?[22:48:57] <umccullough> virtualbox is buggy?[22:49:07] <Barrett`> hmm[22:49:24] <Barrett`> it's a little strange[22:49:26] <Barrett`> : )[22:49:27] *** ThomasShirley has joined #haiku[22:49:31] <umccullough> how can you cause a virtual machine software to crash when it has virtualized the OS running on it[22:49:43] <Barrett`> but every software have bugs naturally[22:50:24] <JonathanThompson> Ah, the wonders of Craig's List: http://seattle.craigslist.org/oly/wan/1193619388.html[22:50:36] <Barrett`> but the problem is umccullough that i used xp to develop a thing and they worked well[22:51:13] <umccullough> Barrett`, last I heard, the virtualbox developers tell us that Haiku isn't "virtualization friendly" enough[22:51:20] <Barrett`> ah[22:51:29] <umccullough> which really means: "we don't care about your OS, you fix it"[22:51:38] <Barrett`> : ([22:51:57] <umccullough> runs great in vmware :)[22:52:24] <Barrett`> and in qemu[22:52:43] <Hodapp> and on bare metal, at least for me[22:52:48] <Barrett`> hahaha[22:53:00] <umccullough> http://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/3265[22:53:08] <umccullough> http://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/2588[22:53:15] <umccullough> http://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/2770[22:53:22] <umccullough> these are not new issues[22:53:26] <PovAddict> gotta catch em all[22:54:15] <umccullough> this was my favorite from two years ago though ;)[22:54:16] <umccullough> http://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/56[22:55:05] *** arjen_ has joined #haiku[22:55:51] <JonathanThompson> Another Seattle Craig's List random one: http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/wan/1193011934.html[22:56:25] <umccullough> JonathanThompson, my wife isn't blonde with blue eyes, but we have plenty of eggs we could donate[22:56:35] <umccullough> more than we can eat :P[22:56:36] <JonathanThompson> :)[22:56:48] <JonathanThompson> But any of them ostrich eggs like the most recent one? :D[22:57:15] <umccullough> no, no ostrich :P[22:57:19] *** svensko has joined #haiku[22:57:27] <umccullough> we do have turkey and peahen eggs[22:57:29] * JonathanThompson sticks umccullough's head in the sand for good measure[22:57:30] *** flyfish has quit IRC[22:57:59] *** Hugen has quit IRC[22:58:19] <pyCube> i am hopefully going to get the house we looked at yesterday.. nice old farmhouse out in the country. I want to get some chickens[22:58:35] <svensko> Just curious, but is there anything unique that haiku has to offer for the area of bioinformatics?[22:59:57] <JonathanThompson> Bored developers? :D[23:00:12] *** wtracy has quit IRC[23:00:19] <svensko> one of the major things i was thinking of was standardization[23:01:00] <JonathanThompson> Someone wants kitty litter![23:01:47] <svensko> o_O[23:02:38] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[23:02:44] <pyCube> standardization of what?[23:03:05] *** tqh has quit IRC[23:03:07] <umccullough> your computer taking blood samples every 5 mins to make sure you are who you say you are :)[23:03:43] <umccullough> oh, that's something else[23:03:55] <JonathanThompson> http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/wan/1192406204.html another fun one:P[23:04:12] <svensko> pyCube, one wouldn't have gtk, qt, multiple window managers, etc to worry about when developing so it seems like it'd be easier to make the programs user friendly[23:04:39] <pyCube> nonsense[23:04:42] <pyCube> but ok[23:04:47] <svensko> why not?[23:04:59] <pyCube> having gtk, qt, etcv is hardly an advantage[23:05:25] <pyCube> and how does not having them make making user friendly apps easier?[23:05:25] <svensko> no, i was saying _not_ having them would be an advantage[23:05:38] *** megaf_ has quit IRC[23:05:50] <pyCube> thats what i mean, not having gtk, qt etc is not an advantage in any way[23:06:06] <svensko> you said having them was hardly an advantage[23:06:11] *** oxocoffee has quit IRC[23:06:12] <pyCube> in fact its a severe drawback if you really want/need a gtk or qt app[23:06:16] <pyCube> typo[23:06:17] <svensko> confused me :P[23:06:20] *** glootech_ has joined #haiku[23:07:03] <svensko> well yes, i realize that, but i meant developing from the ground up solely for haiku[23:07:07] <pyCube> my point is that while not having them might be a plus in peoples minds based on their opinions, there is no actual advantage to not having them[23:07:24] <pyCube> having gtk and qt availabel doesnt stop you from making native apps[23:07:42] <pyCube> and making not-native apps doesnt mean they have to be less user friendly[23:07:50] *** helf|laptop has quit IRC[23:08:58] <Barrett`> pyCube, non-native apps are not integrated with the system[23:09:18] *** megaf has joined #Haiku[23:09:25] <Barrett`> so in my hopinion this is the way taken by Apple, and osx is very user friendly[23:09:27] <pyCube> Barrett`, uh.. whatever[23:09:44] <pyCube> i am not talking about opinions and subjective BS[23:09:56] *** ThomasShirley has quit IRC[23:10:18] <Barrett`> pyCube, if you use an app for gnome under kde, is it integrated?[23:10:24] <pyCube> i knpw a lot of people get bent out of shape by 'non native widgets' but they arent inherently 'not user friendly'[23:10:30] <pyCube> Barrett`, yes[23:10:39] <pyCube> as integrated as i give a fuck about[23:10:45] <pyCube> what do you mean?[23:11:09] <megaf> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTk02o3GaPg&fmt=18[23:11:18] <Barrett`> different graphics first of all[23:11:21] <svensko> i meant user friendly as in plopping a computer into a research lab with haiku and native apps and having them "just work" compared to plopping one down into a research lab with linux and having every man, woman, and child within 20 feet afraid to touch it[23:11:57] <svensko> megaf, do you have a write up on how you did that?[23:11:58] <Barrett`> not to mention that there are two graphical libs running in ram[23:12:23] <pyCube> svensko, can you setup a non-bs scenario? linux scares people, as a blanket statement? seriously?[23:12:38] <pyCube> and native apps just magically work, and are freindly as well?[23:12:40] <pyCube> come on..[23:12:44] <svensko> feel free to come to my university and find a lab using linux software[23:12:46] <megaf> svensko: i did using haiku's installer and linux to create a parition[23:12:56] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[23:13:04] <svensko> megaf, mind if i PM you with a question or two?[23:13:18] <megaf> svensko: no problem[23:13:19] <pyCube> svensko, if somebody misconfigures and installs shitty sw, what does that have to do with native apps being always better than not-native aopps?[23:13:41] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[23:15:49] <pyCube> look.. i understand the need for user-friendly apps.. i just think that making it an issue of widget sets and nativeness is silly[23:16:01] <pyCube> they have nothing to do with each other[23:16:22] <CIA-9> mmlr * r30903 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/file_systems/layers/write_overlay/write_overlay.cpp:[23:16:22] <CIA-9> * Implement O_APPEND.[23:16:22] <CIA-9> * Also make set_flags available for setting it. O_NONBLOCK is ignored as in BFS.[23:16:31] *** andreas_dr has joined #haiku[23:16:50] <svensko> i guess i was saying more or less using haiku as a platform to make user friendly applications...[23:16:58] <svensko> are there even plans on implementing gtk and qt into haiku?[23:17:54] <pyCube> why couldnt you just make usefriendly apps in gtk or qt, and not tie labs to a particular OS?[23:18:41] <svensko> do you mean why tie labs?[23:19:02] <Barrett`> svensko, there are some old ports[23:19:08] <Barrett`> BeOS porta[23:19:11] <Barrett`> *s[23:19:16] <pyCube> if they are haiku apps, what if a lab doesnt want haiku?[23:19:32] <svensko> isn't that why VMware exists?[23:19:43] *** octagon_ has quit IRC[23:19:43] <CIA-9> korli * r30904 /haiku/trunk/ (build/jam/OptionalPackages data/bin/freetype-config): added freetype-config[23:20:14] <umccullough> that's why posix exists[23:20:15] <pyCube> so this awesome userfriendly sw written for haiku because its all awesome then gets to be run via some virtualization? wtf? hehe[23:21:02] <svensko> then those that run haiku get all of the benefits?[23:21:42] <pyCube> which are?[23:21:52] <svensko> theoretical :P[23:22:37] <pyCube> hehe.. i am all for promoting haiku and its advantages.. but not when it doesnt make any sense and makes you come off as a wacko zealot[23:22:42] <JonathanThompson> Someone not knowing how to type: http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/wan/1188499372.html[23:22:43] <pyCube> hehe[23:22:59] * JonathanThompson wishes he had a TV that matched to sell them for $250,400[23:23:18] <svensko> if we want to be associated with wacky zealots then we have a long ways before we've caught up to Apple's crew[23:23:49] <JonathanThompson> Someone wants.... a goat.[23:24:12] <svensko> JonathanThompson, who needs TV when you've got Hulu?[23:24:27] <Clay_> everyone outside the US[23:24:27] <mmadia> JonathanThompson : how'd that meeting with the iphone person go/[23:24:29] *** glootech has quit IRC[23:24:34] <JonathanThompson> Indeed, perhaps that makes sense if you've got a modern system with a good connection and ISP.[23:24:40] <JonathanThompson> Still awaiting word.[23:24:54] <JonathanThompson> I figure if I don't get contacted by about 5 p.m., it isn't happening.[23:25:01] <JonathanThompson> I quoted a month possibly of time.[23:25:11] <JonathanThompson> There's a few unknowns in it for me.[23:25:14] *** miqlas has quit IRC[23:25:20] <svensko> ah Clay_ , true[23:25:25] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[23:25:33] <JonathanThompson> I'd likely be able to get the code written a lot faster, but... then there's all the other things that happen, and doing proper testing.[23:26:22] *** PovAddict has left #haiku[23:26:40] <JonathanThompson> The guy had someone else that he was also going to talk to, that didn't have the amount of development experience I have.[23:26:51] <JonathanThompson> I suspect the other guy quoted a shorter time.[23:27:41] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[23:29:23] *** DrHouse_Compaq has joined #haiku[23:30:00] <CIA-9> axeld * r30905 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/file_systems/iso9660/kernel_interface.cpp: * Cleanup.[23:30:30] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[23:30:30] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[23:30:39] *** thotypous has joined #haiku[23:31:23] *** nikla has quit IRC[23:34:46] <CIA-9> axeld * r30906 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/file_systems/iso9660/ (iso9660.h kernel_interface.cpp): * Added support for the io() hook. 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