May 27, 2009 
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May 27, 2009 [00:01:19] *** redblue has joined #haiku[00:01:30] <gr00ber> bOOm![00:01:57] *** gr00ber has quit IRC[00:02:03] *** oco has joined #haiku[00:02:45] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[00:06:39] *** _Xbertl has joined #haiku[00:06:39] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[00:10:04] *** luroh has quit IRC[00:12:42] *** pyCube has quit IRC[00:13:44] *** xRaich[o]2x has quit IRC[00:13:55] *** nikla has joined #haiku[00:18:33] *** jonathanbthompso has joined #Haiku[00:19:06] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[00:21:14] *** jonathanbthompso is now known as JonathanThompson[00:22:49] *** brechtm has quit IRC[00:27:35] *** Kokito has joined #haiku[00:27:57] *** redblue has quit IRC[00:30:24] *** dos4 is now known as dr_evil[00:30:34] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o dr_evil[00:33:17] *** Carbamide has joined #haiku[00:37:41] *** Barrett` has quit IRC[00:39:25] <adamk_> Anyone know why I keep getting "Operation would block" errors when trying to get e-mail via both MDR and Beam?[00:42:13] * Kokito has no clue[00:49:01] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[00:57:29] *** evdubs has joined #haiku[01:00:45] <adamk_> Damn... It looks like the providers servers are down.[01:01:11] <mmadia> what providers?[01:02:12] *** jprostko has quit IRC[01:02:18] <adamk_> Our company recently switched to 1and1 for e-mail, away from the servers that I had previously been maintaining. This was done despite my opposition.[01:02:22] <adamk_> And 1and1 sucks.[01:02:29] <adamk_> And is apparently down.[01:05:06] *** evdubs has quit IRC[01:13:47] <PulkoMandy> +++[01:13:50] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[01:14:31] *** pfoetchen has quit IRC[01:15:33] *** rcjsuen_ has joined #haiku[01:15:39] *** abstr has joined #haiku[01:26:45] *** pyCube has joined #haiku[01:26:49] *** DrHouse_Compaq has quit IRC[01:32:26] *** rcjsuen has quit IRC[01:32:57] *** abstr has quit IRC[01:33:35] <pyCube> stuff[01:34:22] *** adamk_ has quit IRC[01:36:29] *** adamk_ has joined #haiku[01:40:26] *** helf2 has joined #haiku[01:40:30] *** adamk_ has quit IRC[01:40:34] <helf2> 'ello[01:40:41] *** adamk_ has joined #haiku[01:40:43] <pyCube> hell'[01:40:58] <helf2> anyone wanna buy a lightly used dell mini 9? :P[01:41:01] * JonathanThompson poits pyCube and helf2[01:41:03] *** Androo has joined #haiku[01:41:24] *** adamk_ has quit IRC[01:41:26] * JonathanThompson wonders when he should mail out all the Star Trek novels to helf2 for the agreed upon price[01:41:51] <helf2> 'eh[01:41:54] <helf2> im broke now[01:41:54] * JonathanThompson replied to an iPhone app developer contract just now...[01:42:03] <helf2> im also bored with the mini 9[01:42:22] <JonathanThompson> Someone wants an iPhone developer short-term to write their app they've designed...[01:42:43] <JonathanThompson> Of course, there's all sorts of possible issues :)[01:43:05] <JonathanThompson> If they can't write it themselves, I find myself wondering: do they know what is/isn't possible on the platform?[01:43:14] <JonathanThompson> And what Apple will allow?[01:43:49] <JonathanThompson> Or even have a clue as to the time complexity for doing it, or what's needed for testing?[01:44:15] <JonathanThompson> Rule of thumb: if they can't give detailed examples of what is valid/invalid responses and results, RUN AWAY![01:45:13] <helf2> my mini 9 is already worth ~$100 less than ive put into it[01:45:14] <helf2> nice[01:45:17] * helf2 hates computers[01:45:25] <pyCube> i been doin' some hard travelin', i thought you know'd..[01:45:33] * JonathanThompson hates people that hate computers[01:45:44] <pyCube> helf2, hah! its a nice place to be.. so freeing[01:45:50] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[01:45:51] <helf2> :P[01:45:51] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[01:45:56] <JonathanThompson> Well, perhaps that's a bit strong ;)[01:46:13] <helf2> im pretty sure i could never use a computer again after today and be perfectly happy[01:46:33] * JonathanThompson notes helf2 is finally growing up[01:46:49] <helf2> apparently[01:47:04] *** Megaf has joined #Haiku[01:47:12] <JonathanThompson> That epiphany is the one where you realize no matter what you've got available, you'll always want more.[01:47:14] <helf2> they just arent fun anymore[01:47:31] <pyCube> right.. some APPS might be entertaining[01:47:46] *** nikla has quit IRC[01:49:37] *** Androo has quit IRC[01:50:05] <JonathanThompson> Computers, no matter how great their hardware, are just tools to run thought-experiments through.[01:50:24] *** Androo has joined #haiku[01:50:24] <pyCube> yeah[01:51:02] <pyCube> its easy to get all confused and think that computers are themselves a subject of interest instead of an object that aids in persuing interests[01:51:34] * BePhantom poits JonathanThompson[01:51:39] <JonathanThompson> Computer hardware without software is nothing more than an energy-eating stone.[01:51:50] * JonathanThompson narfs BePhantom in response[01:54:29] *** Androo has quit IRC[01:55:01] *** oco has quit IRC[01:55:06] <BePhantom> they are great coasters[01:55:36] <BePhantom> my cpu is the best coaster ever, it keeps my tea warm :)[01:56:23] <JonathanThompson> Mug-heating toaster-coasters :)[01:57:35] * JonathanThompson had to get creative when creating a new gmail account name for use on Craig's List[01:58:47] <BePhantom> xxoo at gmail dot com?[01:59:00] <JonathanThompson> A bit longer than that :D[01:59:22] *** helf2 has quit IRC[01:59:38] * JonathanThompson considers the need to switch from 1and1.com's email servers due to their weird and not wholly reliable nature[01:59:54] <BePhantom> man, swine flu is in my city, there are 19 reported cases[02:00:05] <JonathanThompson> Bah, that's nothing! :D[02:00:07] <BePhantom> I'm kinda scared :P[02:00:13] <umccullough_aa1> no need to worry...[02:00:20] <umccullough_aa1> there's really nothing spectacular about it[02:00:22] <JonathanThompson> We'll all die sooner or later![02:00:27] <umccullough_aa1> it's just the flu![02:00:36] <BePhantom> is there a vaccine?[02:00:39] <JonathanThompson> (It doesn't kill everyone)[02:00:42] <JonathanThompson> Not yet.[02:00:58] <umccullough_aa1> i don't remember taking any vaccine for the flu...[02:00:58] <mmadia> but it has the word "swine" in it![02:01:10] <umccullough_aa1> mmadia yeah, which they retracted ;)[02:01:14] * JonathanThompson porks out[02:01:16] <umccullough_aa1> H1N1 now right?[02:01:31] <JonathanThompson> Yeah, I think that's the designation/name :D[02:01:39] <BePhantom> JonathanThompson, sure but i would like to live a bit longer, I'm expected to show up next saturday at the haiku meeting :D[02:01:56] <JonathanThompson> BePhantom: it probably wouldn't kill you quickly anyway! :D[02:02:05] *** rennj has quit IRC[02:02:28] *** TheNerd has joined #haiku[02:02:31] <umccullough_aa1> beating the flu involves mostly just keeping yourself hydrated :P[02:02:46] <gordonjcp> piggy sniffles[02:02:50] <BePhantom> yes but this one might kill you[02:02:54] <JonathanThompson> Good nutrition otherwise doesn't hurt, either, if you can keep it down :)[02:03:03] <JonathanThompson> BePhantom: all flu might kill you![02:03:12] <umccullough_aa1> BePhantom sounds like you've been watching too much media hype :)[02:03:29] <BePhantom> i had flu before, I'm still alive![02:03:34] <umccullough_aa1> even the media is hyping the fact that it was over-hyped![02:03:34] * BePhantom re checks his pulse[02:03:42] <JonathanThompson> BePhantom: are you obese and have other health problems like asthma? If not, you probably don't have much to worry about.[02:04:01] * mmadia cheers for asthma[02:04:06] <umccullough_aa1> dehydration is a major cause of flu-related death[02:04:13] * mmadia wheezes afterwards[02:04:16] <JonathanThompson> Especially if you've been eating properly otherwise.[02:04:28] <BePhantom> JonathanThompson, no.. no asthma here. Could I die from astigmatism? :D[02:04:33] * JonathanThompson resembles mmadia's wheezing comments[02:04:48] <JonathanThompson> If that were possible, I'd likely be dead several times over already :D[02:04:57] <BePhantom> haha[02:05:04] * JonathanThompson is an optimist[02:05:12] <JonathanThompson> Actually, let me correct that...[02:05:19] <gordonjcp> I made some chilli chicken ginger noodle soup[02:05:23] <gordonjcp> nothing can survive that[02:05:35] * JonathanThompson is an optimistic pessimist, and is absolutely positive things are going to go horribly wrong[02:05:43] <gordonjcp> next door's cat had some, and then ate a fox[02:05:55] <BePhantom> gordonjcp, sounds like a challenge to me :)[02:06:52] <umccullough_aa1> BePhantom do you drive?[02:06:56] <BePhantom> im not much of a chilli person[02:07:05] <BePhantom> umccullough_aa1, yes[02:07:14] <JonathanThompson> More of a mole´ person instead, BePhantom ?[02:07:17] <umccullough_aa1> you have a higher risk of death that way[02:07:22] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[02:07:35] <BePhantom> JonathanThompson, nor chilli or chilean[02:08:08] <JonathanThompson> Oh well, we can't all be perfect :D[02:08:31] *** jprostko has joined #haiku[02:08:31] <gordonjcp> I'm going to make some steak and ale pie tomorrow I think[02:08:50] <BePhantom> umccullough_aa1, true. Traffic accidents are a really serious problem here[02:09:09] <JonathanThompson> Could be worse: you could live and drive in India :D[02:09:32] <BePhantom> I doubt India could be worse :)[02:09:56] <JonathanThompson> BePhantom: perhaps a higher chance of surviving only because nobody can get up to any great speed :P[02:10:20] <JonathanThompson> But, they make up for that by having el-cheapo cars that likely would never ever be legal in the US for safety.[02:11:28] <BePhantom> imo all cars should be made out of foam, no more road kills or any kind of accident :D[02:11:43] <gordonjcp> JonathanThompson: odd that, because it's very hard to make US cars safe to drive anywhere else[02:11:53] <JonathanThompson> :P[02:12:08] <gordonjcp> did you know that the Hummer H2 is practically uninsurable in the UK?[02:12:15] <gordonjcp> too dangerous to be on the roads[02:12:24] <gordonjcp> if you kick the front very hard, everyone inside dies[02:12:29] <JonathanThompson> Too likely to end up crushing all the other cars?[02:12:44] <gordonjcp> JonathanThompson: no, in accidents it will always come off worse[02:12:55] * JonathanThompson considers Hummers as the ultimate urban assault vehicle in all the negative connotations[02:13:12] <gordonjcp> they're great if you want to die under the wheels of a Mini[02:13:31] <JonathanThompson> Well, the problem with trucks made for the US market is they're not held to the same standards as passenger vehicles for crash-worthiness, so it's a crap-shoot with your life.[02:13:31] *** SiCuTDeUx has quit IRC[02:13:34] <gordonjcp> one of my friends has just crushed an 07-plate H2[02:13:51] <gordonjcp> it clipped a parked car while travelling at about 20mph[02:13:54] <pyCube> theyre great if youre a meat headed american f--kwad[02:13:57] <gordonjcp> cat A writeoff[02:13:59] * BePhantom considers Hummers as the ultimate vehicle for men with small penises :D[02:14:00] *** _Xbertl has quit IRC[02:14:06] <umccullough_aa1> JonathanThompson H2 is considered passenger-class[02:14:14] <JonathanThompson> US-built passenger cars require a lot better safety design, as well as mileage, on average.[02:14:22] <gordonjcp> the Peugeot it clipped has a slightly fucked rear wing[02:14:28] *** Megaf has quit IRC[02:14:47] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[02:14:47] <JonathanThompson> But, is it still regulated as a truck, umccullough_aa1 ? Just because it is commonly used to haul passengers, doesn't mean they didn't put it under the truck category.[02:14:47] <gordonjcp> the H2 is, as I say, damaged to "inspect then crush" levels[02:14:58] <umccullough_aa1> JonathanThompson no, it's not "commercial"[02:15:14] * JonathanThompson isn't worried about owning one, they're not worth it in so many ways[02:15:32] <umccullough_aa1> an H2 is really designed for urban use[02:15:37] <JonathanThompson> Even mundane pickup trucks aren't required to be reinforced like cars are, last I knew.[02:15:53] <gordonjcp> umccullough_aa1: they're really not suitable for urban use[02:15:57] <umccullough_aa1> pickups are considered light-truck/commercial[02:16:23] <gordonjcp> I've driven quite a few American cars, and I must say I've never felt terribly safe in them[02:16:35] <gordonjcp> too slow, shit handling and shit brakes, just for openers[02:16:37] <JonathanThompson> But, my point is, a lot of SUVs and other recreational vehicles are often regulated in much the same category, and thus escape certain requirements, umccullough_aa1.[02:16:51] <umccullough_aa1> it's not true, at least not in CA[02:17:01] <umccullough_aa1> SUVs are considered passenger class here[02:17:07] <JonathanThompson> And I honestly can't classify an H2 as a practical vehicle for anything :D[02:17:15] <umccullough_aa1> if they have a bed, then things get dicey[02:17:40] <JonathanThompson> H2=status symbol.[02:18:34] <gordonjcp> JonathanThompson: status = "I'm too poor to afford a Pinzgauer, and don't have the taste and class to own a Rangerover"?[02:18:55] <JonathanThompson> Something like that :P[02:19:04] * JonathanThompson has never heard of the first one, has no clue[02:19:07] <gordonjcp> the scariest car I've ever driven (apart from the Slaab 9000 with haunted cruise control) was a Chevy Z28[02:19:54] <gordonjcp> 0-60 in 5 seconds, 0-65 in 10 seconds, 0-70 in 20 seconds, 0-motorway speeds in >40 seconds[02:20:10] <gordonjcp> actually that's a lie[02:20:21] <BePhantom> are lexus good?[02:20:25] <gordonjcp> it didn't manage motorway speeds, it topped out at around 85mph in 4th[02:20:41] <gordonjcp> BePhantom: they're a Toyota with an expensive sticker on the boot lid[02:20:48] <JonathanThompson> Here's something I replied to that may be a bit scary in practice: "I am an individual who has designed an app for the iPhone. I need a developer with Objective-C skills who is interested in programming my app. You would work at home on this temporary project. Please forward a Word copy of your resume along with your hourly rate. If an agreement is reached, it will be necessary to sign an NDA. Thank you! "[02:20:56] <BePhantom> gordonjcp :D[02:20:58] <gordonjcp> BePhantom: quarter of a million minicab drivers can't be wrong[02:21:44] * JonathanThompson wonders if that statement applies to lemmings[02:22:40] <BePhantom> gordonjcp, you're from finland?[02:22:45] <gordonjcp> no[02:22:49] <gordonjcp> Scotland[02:22:53] <gordonjcp> my server is in Finland[02:23:20] <BePhantom> cool :)[02:23:48] <CIA-9> bonefish * r30872 /haiku/trunk/build/jam/HelperRules:[02:23:48] <CIA-9> Added FSplitString helper rule, which splits a string at a given delimiter[02:23:48] <CIA-9> character, returning a component list.[02:25:17] <BePhantom> "Language theory for young men in prison" i have to read this sh**[02:25:33] <BePhantom> :P[02:26:30] <JonathanThompson> Why is language development amongst prisoners important???[02:27:56] <BePhantom> because my professor says so :D[02:28:21] <JonathanThompson> Sufficient for your grades :D[02:29:14] <BePhantom> about SUVs I think most people that buy one are stupid[02:29:16] <BePhantom> :D[02:29:53] <BePhantom> SUVs are incredibly unstable, many people buy one and drive on paved roads at high speed[02:30:20] <JonathanThompson> And when it gets slippery out, think they're invincible.[02:30:24] <BePhantom> they'll most likely end on a ditch[02:30:58] <JonathanThompson> One problem: most cars are created equal when it comes to snow and ice and trying to break the laws of physics by doing sudden maneuvers or stopping :D[02:31:05] <AlienSoldier> Curse of the Golden Flower play on Tv tonight[02:31:25] <AlienSoldier> i don't remember ever saw a chinese movie on national Tv in the US[02:31:29] <JonathanThompson> Even if they can get going in the stuff faster than other cars, doesn't mean they can avoid ending up in the ditch any better than lower vehicles.[02:31:45] <BePhantom> SUVs are very dangerous to drive specially with strong sidewind[02:32:13] * JonathanThompson has never really wanted an SUV because he likes to corner faster than they can reasonably do without rolling over[02:32:34] <AlienSoldier> JonathanThompson that is why you need a batman hook[02:32:47] <AlienSoldier> all SUV shoul come with one :)[02:32:49] <JonathanThompson> That doesn't solve the rolling over problem :D[02:33:05] <BePhantom> :D[02:33:20] <AlienSoldier> true, you can roll over katamari damashi style with the pillar[02:35:08] <BePhantom> JonathanThompson[02:35:40] <JonathanThompson> Yes, BePhantom ?[02:35:57] * JonathanThompson responds to latest email from potential contract[02:36:06] <JonathanThompson> Via phone...[02:36:10] <BePhantom> JonathanThompson i found you a job[02:36:19] <JonathanThompson> ?[02:36:20] <BePhantom> look: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1TcJKFB0sY it kinda sucks but it's a job[02:39:16] <CIA-9> bonefish * r30873 /haiku/trunk/build/jam/ImageRules:[02:39:16] <CIA-9> * Added rule CopyDirectoryToAlternativeGCCArchive, analogous to[02:39:16] <CIA-9> CopyDirectoryToHaikuImage just for the alternative GCC.[02:39:16] <CIA-9> * Added rules Add{Files,Symlink}ToHaikuHybridImage. Those call both the[02:39:16] <CIA-9> Add{Files,Symlink}toHaikuImage and Add{Files,Symlink}toAlternativeGCCArchive[02:39:17] <CIA-9> rules, the latter with an optionally slightly changed parameter.[02:42:56] <CIA-9> bonefish * r30874 /haiku/trunk/Jamrules:[02:42:56] <CIA-9> New build system variable HAIKU_IGNORE_USER_BUILD_CONFIG to prevent inclusion[02:42:56] <CIA-9> of the UserBuildConfigs.[02:57:16] <JonathanThompson> BePhantom: I'm having a face-to-face meeting with the guy tomorrow, at the Starbucks next door to me :)[02:58:34] <JonathanThompson> And, this guy actually sounds like he knows how to define what he wants and needs![02:59:51] <mmadia> "faster, with more better" ?[03:01:10] <umccullough_aa1> more betterer[03:06:51] * BePhantom is having dinner[03:09:52] <CIA-9> bonefish * r30875 /haiku/trunk/ (11 files in 5 dirs): (log message trimmed)[03:09:52] <CIA-9> * Use the new Add{Files,Symlink}ToHaikuHybridImage rules in HaikuImage and[03:09:52] <CIA-9> OptionalPackages. This makes the content definition part in[03:09:52] <CIA-9> AlternativeGCCArchive superfluous.[03:09:52] <CIA-9> * Moved the cc and c++ wrapper scripts from src/bin to data/bin.[03:09:53] <CIA-9> * Added build variable HAIKU_ADD_OPTIONAL_PACKAGES to add optional packages[03:09:59] *** rennj has joined #haiku[03:15:28] *** DrHouse_Compaq has joined #haiku[03:21:33] *** mmlr has quit IRC[03:23:03] <BePhantom> looks like Reaper is going to be cancelled, stupid american tv networks :P[03:25:23] *** mmadia has quit IRC[03:27:40] <CIA-9> mmlr * r30876 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/file_systems/iso9660/iso9660.cpp:[03:27:40] <CIA-9> If we encounter an unsupported entry (like a relocated directory) we now just[03:27:40] <CIA-9> skip it instead of returning the error and therefore aborting the directory[03:27:40] <CIA-9> enumeration.[03:28:25] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[03:33:22] *** Kokito has quit IRC[03:33:52] *** Negr0 has quit IRC[03:36:28] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[03:37:51] *** 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IRC[10:37:27] *** markos_ has joined #haiku[10:37:58] <gordonjcp> morning[10:41:06] <Teknomancer> morning[10:46:57] <surrounder> morning[10:51:07] *** SprMa has left #haiku[11:09:22] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[11:10:32] *** knottnhupfer has quit IRC[11:10:53] *** jprostko has joined #haiku[11:16:03] *** _arjen_ has quit IRC[11:19:00] *** redblue has quit IRC[11:24:44] *** Svarthandske has joined #haiku[11:28:32] *** Barrett|Haiku has joined #haiku[11:35:03] *** cherrypie has joined #haiku[11:38:10] <markos_> is python available for haiku somewhere? (pref. for the gcc4 images)[11:38:22] <markos_> or should i build it myself[11:39:55] <gordonjcp> it is available, but it doesn't support sqlite[11:39:59] <gordonjcp> building it is a bit of a faff[11:40:01] *** Barrett|Haiku has quit IRC[11:40:43] <markos_> oh well, i wanted to make haiku my dev system, but some projects need scons :-/[11:43:23] <gordonjcp> scons should work[11:43:54] <markos_> cool then, where should i look ?[11:45:49] <markos_> nm, found it on haikuware.com[11:49:20] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[11:49:21] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[11:52:11] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[11:53:40] *** Svarthandske has quit IRC[12:00:18] *** cherrypie has quit IRC[12:02:34] *** cherrypie has joined #haiku[12:03:25] *** hisoka999 has joined #haiku[12:09:15] *** cherrypie has quit IRC[12:10:47] *** zilog80 has quit IRC[12:13:15] *** SprMa has joined #haiku[12:14:14] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[12:14:33] *** SprMa has quit IRC[12:21:24] *** ThomasShirley has joined #haiku[12:22:30] *** SprMa has joined #haiku[12:22:55] *** SprMa has left #haiku[12:29:00] *** mmu_laptop has joined #haiku[12:29:00] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_laptop[12:35:24] *** Svarthandske has joined #haiku[12:40:08] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[12:40:15] *** _-Caleb-_ has joined #haiku[12:40:17] <_-Caleb-_> hi all[12:48:46] *** expensivelesbian has quit IRC[12:48:54] *** mmu_laptop has quit IRC[12:53:09] *** adamk_ has joined #haiku[13:03:37] *** Svarthandske has quit IRC[13:04:13] *** andreas_dr has joined #haiku[13:11:21] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[13:13:49] *** vader has joined #haiku[13:14:03] <vader> :)[13:18:25] *** vader has quit IRC[13:18:41] *** hisoka999 has quit IRC[13:21:51] *** _-Caleb-_ has quit IRC[13:44:31] *** Xbertl has joined #haiku[13:52:06] *** xRaich[o]2x has quit IRC[13:56:59] *** thotypous has joined #haiku[13:57:49] *** Hugen has joined #haiku[13:57:52] <Hugen> hi[14:03:34] <mmadia> bonefish has been on fire![14:05:25] *** leszek has joined #haiku[14:05:46] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[14:05:52] <leszek> hi[14:06:35] *** SprMa has joined #haiku[14:06:52] *** SprMa has left #haiku[14:19:27] *** cherrypie has joined #haiku[14:22:39] *** mmadia has quit IRC[14:22:42] *** SprMa has joined #haiku[14:23:08] *** SprMa has left #haiku[14:25:42] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[14:28:13] *** xRaich[o]2x has joined #haiku[14:35:04] *** svensko has joined #haiku[14:41:24] <svensko> so R1 will have BeOS binary compatibility, but R2 won't? Is there a reason behind this? (I've never used BeOS, just saw this on the forums and was curious)[14:41:36] *** jprostko has quit IRC[14:42:09] <mmadia> svensko : we should be able to provide binary compatibility on R2... i forget the exact details of the imagined implementation though.[14:42:10] <leszek> svensko, beos ist gcc 2.9x based, it wouldn't make sense to support the few beos apps after r1[14:42:24] *** hisoka999 has joined #haiku[14:42:26] *** rcjsuen has joined #haiku[14:42:47] <svensko> ah, ty mmadia and leszek :)[14:44:46] <mmadia> svensko [haiku-development] GCC 2 x GCC 4 is the thread i'm thinking of ... 2008-aug[14:45:49] <svensko> i was looking at this: http://www.haiku-os.org/community/forum/is_haiku_a_100_clone_of_beos[14:46:24] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[14:46:43] <mmadia> Urias's response is the most accurate :)[14:47:42] <svensko> i was hoping so :) i can't wait for the alpha[14:48:34] <svensko> i'm guessing the lack of gtk and qt mean no linux compatibility? i'm sure it's more complex than that but i'm just curious[14:48:52] <mmadia> correct, no linux compatibility.[14:49:29] <mmadia> that's actually a touchy subject in the community.[14:49:35] <svensko> that's a good thing and a bad thing :)[14:49:35] <leszek> but the most gnu tools are included :)[14:49:53] <HeTo> and pretty good POSIX compatibility[14:49:55] <svensko> haiku's description of linux seems to be pretty accurate[14:50:11] <mmadia> basically some people view it as blurring the uniqueness of Haiku into another unix clone.[14:50:28] <svensko> Linux-based distributions are a collection of numerous software that do not necessarily follow the same development guidelines and/or goals. This lack of overall vision often results in increased complexity, insufficient integration, and sometimes inefficient solutions, making the use of your computer more complicated than it should actually be.[14:50:34] <svensko> ^^^ that's my biggest complaint about linux[14:50:49] <mmadia> others see it as necessary step to gain needed software -- basically to solve the developers vs. software problem.[14:50:56] <svensko> true mmadia, it'd be nice to see an OS thrive that isn't a dressed up Ubuntu :)[14:51:18] <HeTo> compatibility with Linux binaries would be practically useless anyway (without X), remembering that Linux distros themselves aren't that compatible with Linux binaries[14:51:52] <svensko> hehe, very true HeTo[14:51:56] <mmadia> well, but linux compatibilty, most of the discussions revolve around API compatibility.[14:52:40] <leszek> in my opinion a api that isn't system independant has no real future[14:52:40] <hisoka999> moin for that they develop the lsb( it isn't perfect yet)[14:52:55] <svensko> would CLI based programs like naim, irssi, MOC, etc. work with some porting since they don't even require X?[14:53:03] <mmadia> though, the general consensus is that an officially supported port that is done well is significantly better than someone's shoddy implementation.[14:53:09] <leszek> svensko, mostly[14:54:07] <svensko> i see... well i lost interest in haiku for a little while but you guys got me excited again :)[14:54:23] <svensko> make me want to step up my programming learning[14:54:42] <mmadia> there's lots to do, even without touchig C/C++ code[14:54:42] <leszek> hmm... its pretty hard in haiku I guess[14:54:44] <hisoka999> a good qt port would be great, since BeAPI isn't very portable[14:55:22] <svensko> mmadia, i am having to learn python for grad school, would i be able to contribute anything with that?[14:55:53] <leszek> svensko, there is an older python port I think[14:56:01] <mmadia> svensko , we don't yet have a working pyHaikuAPI bindings toolkit,[14:56:12] <mmadia> but as far as command line utilities, certainly.[14:56:22] <HeTo> doesn't Bethon work with Haiku?[14:56:32] <HeTo> true that that is only for an ancient version of Python[14:56:37] <hisoka999> bethon isn't very good[14:56:41] <svensko> i gotta run to the research lab, thanks for the conversation guys, very enlightening :)[14:57:14] *** svensko has quit IRC[14:57:26] <mmadia> At one point i tried compiling BeThon for Haiku, it didnt go too well.[14:57:45] <mmadia> hisoka999 : true, but it's our best python API bindings...[14:57:55] <mmadia> gotta babysit![14:58:04] <HeTo> mmadia: what about running the BeOS binaries on Haiku?[14:59:21] <hisoka999> the big problem is that the beapi is not an api in the python way, so the api is horrible for an python dev[15:01:38] *** leszek has quit IRC[15:03:55] *** andreas_dr has quit IRC[15:05:53] *** nibble has joined #haiku[15:06:47] *** Hugen has quit IRC[15:06:49] <hisoka999> is there a working and a useable wrapper for the beapi? it would be good if an dev could use pascal and tools like lazarus or a good languages like c#, java, d and co[15:10:32] *** cherrypie has quit IRC[15:11:19] *** xRaich[o]2x has quit IRC[15:16:53] *** cherrypie has joined #haiku[15:18:12] <mmadia> HeTo , i'm not sure.. it'd probably be limited to the same version of python for which it was built.[15:18:21] *** cherrypie has quit IRC[15:21:51] *** _arjen_ has joined #haiku[15:23:26] <helf|laptop> gah[15:23:42] <helf|laptop> everytime i see cherrypie in the chat log the song starts blaring in my head[15:23:52] * helf|laptop curses rockstar and having it as an early song in guitar hero[15:36:27] *** SiCuTDeUx has joined #haiku[15:36:49] *** ThomasShirley_ has joined #haiku[15:51:34] *** nikla has joined #haiku[15:53:38] *** ThomasShirley has quit IRC[15:54:19] <CIA-9> bonefish * r30877 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/vm/vm.cpp:[15:54:19] <CIA-9> Disabled the stack traces on unhandled userland page faults. As was already[15:54:19] <CIA-9> known those can cause a deadlock. Besides, when the debug server is running,[15:54:19] <CIA-9> it prints an even nicer stack trace. Not removing the code yet to make things[15:54:19] <CIA-9> easier for architectures on which we don't have a userland yet.[15:55:12] *** thotypous has quit IRC[16:05:49] *** pfoetchen has joined #haiku[16:07:46] *** mattlacey has quit IRC[16:09:43] *** adamk_ has quit IRC[16:19:25] *** scottmc has quit IRC[16:29:22] <CIA-9> bonefish * r30878 /haiku/trunk/src/system/runtime_loader/ (5 files): Normalized the FATAL messages. The image path is always printed, now.[16:31:59] *** AlexForster has joined #haiku[16:32:11] *** eightbitz has joined #haiku[16:37:25] *** adamk_ has joined #haiku[16:41:07] <eightbitz> hello[16:46:15] <helf|laptop> hi[16:49:24] *** tqh has joined #haiku[16:52:14] *** pyCube__ has joined #haiku[16:53:20] *** ThomasShirley_ has quit IRC[16:54:11] *** mib_7qrnkf has joined #haiku[16:56:58] *** DrHouse_Compaq has joined #haiku[17:02:33] *** mib_7qrnkf has quit IRC[17:06:50] *** nikla has quit IRC[17:07:18] *** nikla has joined #haiku[17:07:32] *** hisoka999 has quit IRC[17:08:11] *** pyCube_ has quit IRC[17:08:28] <Carbamide> 867-5309!!![17:09:20] <Hodapp_> no answer[17:09:27] <Hodapp_> you sure that's the number?[17:10:48] *** Hodapp_ is now known as Hodapp[17:15:12] <markos_> guys, are the beos ati drivers on haikuware.com supposed to work under haiku? specifically, i'm referring to http://www.haikuware.com/directory/view-details/drivers/video/ati-mach-64-driver, my old laptop has device id 4c4d: Rage Mobility P/M AGP 2x, which I found is in reality a mach64 chip[17:17:27] *** bittin` has quit IRC[17:18:11] *** paul0 has joined #haiku[17:22:47] *** xRaich[o]2x has joined #haiku[17:23:19] <umccullough> markos_, i don't think so[17:23:39] <umccullough> did you try it?[17:23:51] <markos_> trying to compile now, but i'm missing mkdepend :-/[17:26:09] *** eightbitz has quit IRC[17:26:15] <markos_> doesn't link... not that i expected otherwise :-/[17:27:02] <markos_> unresolved symbol XXX_XXX_S_empty_rep_storageE[17:27:15] *** nikla has quit IRC[17:27:54] <markos_> hm, no, ignore it, i have a broken installation, it's xres that doesn't start with that msg[17:28:11] <markos_> reinstall again then...[17:30:11] <mmadia> where'd you get that image of Haiku?[17:31:20] <markos_> mmadia: nm, i copied a newer one ontop of an older image, hoping that it would just replace the old stuff, apparently it wasn't a good idea :D[17:31:55] <umccullough> possibly[17:32:18] <mmadia> markos_ : for now, here's a temporary solution for backing up files : http://haiku.pastebin.com/f6e9af823[17:32:19] <umccullough> btw, for my older ATI chips, the vesa driver does work fine... just not the fastest :/[17:32:28] <mmadia> it's far from perfect, but i find it quite useful.[17:32:46] <markos_> it does work here too, but it's quite slow on this system (p3@700mhz)[17:33:01] <markos_> i found the ati drivers on haikuware and i thought i'd give it a shot[17:33:19] <mmadia> umm.. on newer revisions of Haiku, vesa is the default acceleration.[17:34:03] <mmadia> i'm not sure which revision has the change from stippi[17:38:38] <umccullough> yes, new rule[17:38:41] <umccullough> block spammers[17:38:46] <umccullough> don't delete them ;)[17:38:52] <umccullough> oh, wrong channel :D[17:38:54] <mmadia> thanks[17:43:36] *** VinDuv has joined #haiku[17:46:30] *** luroh has joined #haiku[17:47:55] *** thotypous has joined #haiku[17:50:57] <Carbamide> xkcd is pretty good today[17:51:21] * umccullough looks[17:52:12] *** nikla has joined #haiku[17:52:16] <umccullough> heh[17:55:05] *** _arjen_ has quit IRC[18:00:57] *** dhcpq has joined #haiku[18:04:29] <umccullough> helf|laptop, btw i dropped that package in the mail yesterday[18:04:38] <umccullough> but i sent it first class, so it might take a bit :/[18:04:56] <umccullough> surprisingly, the package weighed less than 13 oz ;)[18:05:26] <umccullough> hopefully they don't beat it up[18:06:30] <helf|laptop> kewl[18:14:09] *** DrHouse_Compaq has quit IRC[18:16:25] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[18:17:44] <mmadia> any suggestions as to which guides are the most accurate for creating hybrids?[18:18:08] <mmadia> Barrett`_ ?[18:20:19] *** thotypous has quit IRC[18:22:57] *** thotypous has joined #haiku[18:23:58] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku[18:29:54] *** arjen_ has joined #haiku[18:32:36] *** thotypous has quit IRC[18:37:52] *** tqh has quit IRC[18:45:40] *** MrSunshine_ has quit IRC[18:45:43] *** adamk_ has quit IRC[18:46:15] *** MrSunshine_ has joined #haiku[18:54:33] *** franxico has joined #haiku[18:56:14] <CIA-9> zooey * r30879 /haiku/branches/components/gsoc-locale-kit/: Copied r30878 into a feature branch for the locale-kit GSOC project[18:58:02] *** Barrett`_ has quit IRC[18:59:05] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[19:06:34] *** dhcpq has quit IRC[19:15:29] *** flex__ has joined #haiku[19:15:51] <flex__> hi[19:16:32] <flex__> I can't boot into haiku because of bug #1655. How do I delete those files that couse the crash?[19:17:54] *** BePhantom has joined #haiku[19:19:05] <mmadia> is there any way for you to mount the haiku partition?[19:19:28] <umccullough> just boot into safe mode[19:19:29] *** Barrett` has joined #haiku[19:19:37] <umccullough> hit spacebar before the haiku boot splash appears[19:19:47] <umccullough> go to the safe mode menu and enable fail safe mode[19:19:57] <umccullough> when you get to the white console, go delete the intel_extreme driver[19:20:06] <umccullough> or[19:20:19] <umccullough> failsafe mode will get you to a vesa mode desktop[19:20:23] <umccullough> forgot about that[19:20:46] <flex__> well I see the debugger but it's not active. The mouse draws the desktop[19:20:57] <flex__> but F12 can bring me to KDL - does this help me?[19:21:04] <umccullough> no[19:21:10] <umccullough> you need to boot to fail safe video mode[19:21:23] <flex__> this does not work either[19:21:43] <umccullough> i think you didn't do it right[19:21:52] <flex__> must I choose vesa?[19:21:54] <umccullough> you gotta go to the safe mode options screen[19:22:01] <umccullough> not the failsafe video modes menu[19:22:10] <flex__> ah ;-)[19:22:13] *** pfoetchen has quit IRC[19:22:19] <mmadia> and you need to smash the spacebar *before* the bootscreen displays.[19:22:20] * umccullough hates that stupid ambiguity[19:22:30] <BePhantom> yay UEFA Champions finals in 30 minutes! :D[19:22:34] <flex__> I know how to do, I'll try[19:22:42] <flex__> thanks[19:22:48] <flex__> cu :)[19:22:50] <umccullough> that should prevent the intel_extreme from being used at all[19:23:15] <helf|laptop> man, im so glad netbooks and such have become popular[19:23:23] *** flex__ has quit IRC[19:23:58] <helf|laptop> now content providers and stuff have to make sure their services work on them... and by extension, my tualatins are being supported nicely! lol[19:24:12] <umccullough> ...[19:24:29] <mmadia> does this look right for building gcc2, gcc4, gcc2hybrid, and gcc4hybrid ? http://haiku.pastebin.com/d6f3b4889[19:24:35] <helf|laptop> current atoms arent any faster than my 1.4t :P[19:25:18] <umccullough> mmadia, i'd recommend creating the output directories in the trunk :/[19:25:23] <umccullough> and prefixing with generated-[19:25:33] *** nibble has quit IRC[19:25:42] <umccullough> but that's up to you[19:25:49] *** nibble has joined #haiku[19:25:58] <mmadia> for now this is just for myself.[19:26:14] <umccullough> jam -j3 :P[19:26:15] <mmadia> but for the documentation, i'll do that.[19:26:16] <BePhantom> hola mmadia, umccullough, helf|laptop :D[19:26:24] <helf|laptop> hey BePhantom :)[19:26:34] <helf|laptop> hows argentina??[19:26:39] <mmadia> gotta push by 2xP3 to the max :P[19:26:47] <helf|laptop> :P[19:26:52] <helf|laptop> you still use a p3?[19:27:03] *** luroh has quit IRC[19:27:37] <umccullough> mmadia, reminds me, you still using my server much? i'm thinking of shutting it off for a while[19:28:05] <mmadia> umccullough : nope... not since Bitten was dropped like a 10lbs of crap in a 5lb bag.[19:28:16] <umccullough> k[19:28:25] <umccullough> the heat in the garage is getting a bit much for my likes[19:28:33] <umccullough> for my liking :P[19:28:46] <umccullough> i'm afraid if i leave those machines running too much they're gonna die[19:28:57] <helf|laptop> whats the temp out there?[19:29:09] <umccullough> eh, upper 90s i think[19:29:13] <helf|laptop> ew[19:29:19] <helf|laptop> been extremely humid here[19:29:27] <helf|laptop> like my towel in my bedroom never dries[19:29:29] <helf|laptop> :([19:29:33] <umccullough> :([19:29:35] <helf|laptop> ive GOT to get a dehumidifier[19:29:47] <BePhantom> helf|laptop, well... nothing really new here, we still have poverty, unemployment, there's an increasing crime wave, swine flu and it's cold today :D[19:29:55] <BePhantom> what about there?[19:30:00] <helf|laptop> oh fun[19:30:11] <helf|laptop> um, its been raining in 5 minute gushers sporatically for a week[19:32:41] <BePhantom> that sucks :D[19:32:42] <helf|laptop> bbiab, lunch time[19:32:44] <helf|laptop> i like it[19:32:47] <helf|laptop> i love wet weather :D[19:33:12] *** franxico has quit IRC[19:33:59] <BePhantom> sure, it's nice if you're not having a picnic :D[19:37:04] <BePhantom> yesterday i began reading this book http://www.lulu.com/content/4964815[19:37:12] <BePhantom> it's free btw[19:37:34] <BePhantom> it's written by a former microsoft developer[19:39:00] <BePhantom> he makes some interesting points, although you should skip the MIT/BSD license topic, he kind of trashes them :D[19:46:23] *** flex has joined #haiku[19:46:39] *** expensivelesbian has joined #haiku[19:47:59] <flex> I could get to the console and deleted the intel_extreme files. Reboot braught me still into the error[19:48:23] <flex> I must made something wrong[19:48:28] <AlienSoldier> helf|laptop if you get one, put in in a corner of the house, and get a tube that send the dry air in the oposide corner. This increase eficiency a lot[19:53:14] *** flex has quit IRC[19:57:55] <helf|laptop> oh[19:57:58] <helf|laptop> *ok[20:08:04] *** korli has joined #haiku[20:08:04] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o korli[20:09:28] *** pfoetchen has joined #haiku[20:10:07] *** luroh has joined #haiku[20:19:50] <BePhantom> go barcelonaa[20:21:04] <BePhantom> is anyone here going to watch it?[20:21:40] <helf|laptop> watch what?[20:23:17] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[20:23:20] <BePhantom> Barcelona vs Manchester Utd. football match[20:23:24] *** clay_ has joined #haiku[20:23:30] <BePhantom> prolly the best match of the year[20:24:29] <expensivelesbian> so whoa, we have a wifi stack now?[20:25:59] <mmadia> i wouldn't agree with that :\[20:26:39] <mmadia> having "something" that compiles is very different than having something functionally complete and compiles.[20:27:40] <mmadia> like for instance, in a matter of minutes, i can have the beginnings of a 64-bit version of Haiku for the PS3 that compiles.[20:28:03] <mmadia> all that it'd do is print hello world inside an x86-gcc2 environment though ;)[20:28:49] <mmadia> I don't mean to discredit colin's work, just to point out that headlines are often misleading.[20:28:57] *** DrHouse_Compaq has joined #haiku[20:29:27] <umccullough> yeah, getting it to compile is great, but it doesn't hook up to anything in haiku yet :)[20:29:57] <Carbamide> someday, it will be awesome[20:30:03] * Carbamide looks forward to the future[20:30:08] <umccullough> haiku already is awesome :D[20:30:16] <umccullough> granted, wifi would be pretty slick[20:30:58] <mmadia> are my basic bash skills rusty? ./buildHaiku.sh: 7: Syntax error: "&&" unexpected http://haiku.pastebin.com/dccd3dd3[20:31:12] <BePhantom> umccullough, and a working synaptics touchpad driver:)[20:31:26] <umccullough> its working for me[20:31:37] <BePhantom> here it doesnt :D[20:31:57] <umccullough> on my acer aspire 1, the touchpad works great - it even scrolls the window if I use the right-edge of the pad with my finger[20:32:06] *** mmu_laptop has joined #haiku[20:32:06] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_laptop[20:32:08] <umccullough> and i think it scrolls horizontally if i do the same along the bottom[20:32:23] <umccullough> but it would be nice to have more options in the mouse prefs :)[20:32:44] *** hubert_ has joined #haiku[20:32:49] <hubert_> re[20:32:55] <BePhantom> does the lcd subpixel font rendering work?[20:33:21] <umccullough> i don't have it enabled[20:33:32] <BePhantom> it doesnt seem to work here, i enable it and nothing happens[20:33:35] <umccullough> i think you still have to modify the freetype headers to turn that on[20:33:49] <umccullough> due to patents :P[20:34:02] * umccullough curses software patents[20:35:15] <markos_> umccullough: these are only valid in the US though, in theory one could have a EU version that has it enabled, as software patents are still invalid in the EU[20:35:27] *** cherrypie has joined #haiku[20:35:27] <umccullough> in theory, yes[20:35:34] <markos_> though i'm not sure it's useful right now :)[20:35:39] <BePhantom> umccullough, what about mp3 patents?[20:35:56] <umccullough> BePhantom, same problem i assume :/[20:36:10] <mmu_laptop> the EU patent office granted many sw patents illegally[20:36:12] <umccullough> isn't haiku's mp3 decoder not enabled by default?[20:37:01] * umccullough doesn't like his country's stupid "IP laws"[20:37:11] <mmadia> anyone interested in typing up some basic instructions for the various bits of software that could be enabled ?[20:37:33] <umccullough> you mean a list of the gpl-only stuff?[20:37:37] <mmu_laptop> you want a make config à la linux ?[20:38:07] <mmadia> no, instructions on how to enable subpixel and such and such.[20:38:18] <mmadia> i never got aronud to documenting that on the websit.[20:38:58] *** Barrett`_ has joined #haiku[20:39:25] <hubert_> bbl[20:39:26] <markos_> any recommendations for a dock/launcher utility ?[20:39:33] *** hubert_ has quit IRC[20:39:43] <mmadia> Barrett` ?[20:40:57] *** pfoetchen has quit IRC[20:41:49] <luroh> ah, which reminds me. two out of three of apple's truetype patents expired the other week[20:42:04] <luroh> http://www.freetype.org/patents.html[20:42:04] <expensivelesbian> ah right[20:42:21] <expensivelesbian> not being a C/C++ person, I assumed compiling was a big step[20:42:29] <expensivelesbian> but thanks for the answers[20:42:35] *** ziomatto has joined #haiku[20:43:08] *** expensivelesbian has left #haiku[20:43:18] <CIA-9> rudolfc * r30880 /haiku/trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs): added more EDID stuff. Now extracting needed monitor specs and placing them in shared_info. More dumping to logfile added. The EDID info is not yet actually used: more testing is needed.[20:43:41] *** RHarmsen has joined #haiku[20:44:38] <ziomatto> hi, cannot compile the svn. get two compile error on src/tools/gensyscalls/gensyscalls.cpp someone can help me.[20:45:21] <mmadia> ziomatto : re-run your jam commaind with "-q" and paste the results at http://haiku.pastebin.com[20:45:35] * mmadia cannot wait for r31337[20:48:59] <mmu_laptop> lool[20:49:48] <ziomatto> mmadia: http://haiku.pastebin.com/dd6b5a5e thank you.[20:50:21] *** pfoetchen has joined #haiku[20:52:03] <BePhantom> goal!![20:52:05] <BePhantom> :)[20:52:38] *** Barrett` has quit IRC[20:52:43] <BePhantom> im reading about software patents, it's some scary shit :)[20:54:11] <mmadia> ziomatto : are you doing anything weird with your build?[20:54:12] <CIA-9> rudolfc * r30881 /haiku/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed comment typos. No actual change.[20:54:51] <ziomatto> mmadia: weired ?[20:55:30] <mmadia> ziomatto weird = unusual. not normal.[20:56:19] *** cherrypie has quit IRC[20:56:30] <ziomatto> mmadia: no nothing special. a simple iso build. with only two additional packages subversion and development.[20:56:57] <mmadia> when was the last time you built haiku in linux?[20:58:02] <ziomatto> mmadia: all it's done by a script on daily basis. last time it was successfull i think 1 or 2 weeks ago.[20:59:16] <mmadia> mind if i look at the script? :)[21:00:38] <mmadia> there hasn't been any changes to gensyscall in a while[21:02:03] <korli> ziomatto: this is using your host compiler, which might have changed since two weeks ?[21:02:25] <ziomatto> mmadia: http://haiku.pastebin.com/m20696600[21:02:44] <korli> ziomatto: which gcc is it ?[21:03:16] <ziomatto> korli: gcc version 4.4.0 20090505 (prerelease) (GCC)[21:03:49] <mmadia> would jam -aq ... be needed ?[21:04:03] *** DrHouse_Compaq has quit IRC[21:04:38] <ziomatto> mmadia: i'm not an expert. i try now with -aq.[21:04:45] <korli> ziomatto: can I suggest you patch src/tools/gensyscalls/gensyscalls.cpp to build correctly and post a bug report ?[21:05:19] <korli> just add a "const" beginning of line 524[21:07:17] <ziomatto> korli: thanks[21:07:26] <ziomatto> mmadia: thank you too.[21:10:20] <korli> ziomatto: does it build ?[21:11:02] <ziomatto> korli: will try later. i will give you a feedback.[21:18:35] *** xcasex has quit IRC[21:19:54] *** VinDuv has joined #haiku[21:19:59] *** RHarmsen has quit IRC[21:20:55] *** paul0 has quit IRC[21:21:37] <PulkoMandy> +++[21:21:42] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[21:21:57] *** paul0 has joined #haiku[21:26:18] *** xcasex has joined #haiku[21:27:25] <ziomatto> korli: compilation failed with new errors.[21:28:28] *** mmu_laptop has quit IRC[21:28:58] *** _-Caleb-_ has joined #haiku[21:29:11] *** adamk_ has joined #haiku[21:29:54] <korli> ziomatto: which are ?[21:30:00] <helf|laptop> back[21:30:03] <helf|laptop> miss me?[21:30:15] *** hisoka999 has joined #haiku[21:31:01] <BePhantom> half time :)[21:31:54] <ziomatto> korli: http://haiku.pastebin.com/d5beab9ac[21:39:09] *** DrHouse_Compaq has joined #haiku[21:39:34] <korli> ziomatto: very weird, you could need to add -march=i586 to your CFLAGS[21:41:21] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[21:41:21] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[21:44:38] <ziomatto> korli: ok. thanks for the help. i will try.[21:46:13] *** VinDuv is now known as VinDuv|away[21:46:51] *** Barrett`_ has quit IRC[21:47:13] *** Barrett` has joined #haiku[21:49:32] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[21:52:36] *** VinDuv|away is now known as VinDuv[21:52:44] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[21:54:08] *** BePhantom has quit IRC[21:55:49] *** xRaich[o]2x has quit IRC[21:55:59] *** xRaich[o]2x has joined #haiku[22:00:03] *** brechtm has joined #haiku[22:04:13] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[22:04:52] <CIA-9> korli * r30882 /haiku/trunk/src/tools/gensyscalls/gensyscalls.cpp: strchr(const char*, ...) returns const char* in C++, identified by gcc 4.4.[22:06:10] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[22:10:10] *** Rakhun has joined #haiku[22:10:43] *** Kernel86_ is now known as Kernel86[22:12:06] *** markos_ has quit IRC[22:13:56] *** Paradoxon has quit IRC[22:15:56] *** Paradoxon has joined #haiku[22:21:07] *** Barrett`_ has joined #haiku[22:23:02] <mmadia> brechtm , what was used to generate your idenity.pub file?[22:23:54] *** expensivelesbian has joined #haiku[22:26:25] <brechtm> openssh, I assume[22:26:42] <brechtm> but it was a very long time ago, I can't remember[22:27:08] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[22:27:39] <mmadia> could you regenerate a key ? there was a bug with the random number generate about this time last year.[22:27:50] <brechtm> wasn't that only with dsa?[22:28:04] <brechtm> the keyfile has a date in the comment[22:28:05] <mmadia> possibly? :)[22:28:07] <brechtm> says 2006[22:29:10] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[22:29:12] <brechtm> would that be safe?[22:30:05] <mmadia> i'll need to read moer :)[22:32:54] *** korli has quit IRC[22:33:02] *** _-Caleb-_ has quit IRC[22:34:25] *** DrHouse_Compaq has quit IRC[22:38:31] <oxygene> there's a tool to validate for unsafe keys[22:38:38] *** Barrett` has quit IRC[22:40:02] *** gr00ber has joined #haiku[22:40:10] <gr00ber> BOOOM CHA CHA BOOM CHA CHA[22:40:13] <gr00ber> wazzzup[22:42:42] *** pfoetchen has quit IRC[22:44:01] <CIA-9> zooey * r30883 /haiku/trunk/headers/posix/ (langinfo.h monetary.h nl_types.h):[22:44:01] <CIA-9> * removed three locale-related headers which currently just pretend that[22:44:01] <CIA-9> haiku would support any of the declared functions (none of which are[22:44:01] <CIA-9> provided by libroot)[22:44:01] <CIA-9> These will come back once the locale kit has been integrated[22:48:47] *** gordonjcp has quit IRC[22:48:47] *** DraX has quit IRC[22:49:05] *** DraX has joined #haiku[22:49:05] *** gordonjcp has joined #haiku[22:54:47] *** paul0 has quit IRC[22:56:04] *** ThomasShirley has joined #haiku[22:57:40] *** nikla has quit IRC[23:14:35] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[23:15:15] *** Negr0 has joined #haiku[23:16:37] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[23:26:20] *** hisoka999 has quit IRC[23:28:57] *** brechtm has quit IRC[23:30:06] *** UiX has quit IRC[23:31:01] *** Barrett`_ has quit IRC[23:35:32] *** PovAddict has joined #haiku[23:37:24] *** BePhantom has joined #haiku[23:38:36] *** arigaya__ has joined #haiku[23:40:23] *** tqh has joined #haiku[23:41:49] *** SiCuTDeUx has quit IRC[23:48:31] *** andreas_dr has joined #haiku[23:54:21] *** Rakhun has quit IRC[23:54:26] *** arigayas_Zzz has quit IRC[23:55:50] *** andreas_dr has quit IRC[23:56:54] *** DrHouse_Compaq has joined #haiku[23:57:57] *** BePhantom has quit IRC