May 24, 2009 
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May 24, 2009 [00:00:06] <V_Machine> ls /dev/sde* you should see the dev nodes. sde is the drive and 1 2 3 or what ever are the partitions on the stick[00:00:21] <V_Machine> but use dmesg to make dam sure that is indeed the stick[00:01:04] <V_Machine> usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning[00:01:04] <V_Machine> scsi 14:0:0:0: Direct-Access Generic USB SD Reader 1.00 PQ: 0 ANSI: 0[00:01:04] <V_Machine> sd 14:0:0:0: [sdc] 3970048 512-byte hardware sectors: (2.03 GB/1.89 GiB)[00:01:04] <V_Machine> looks like that[00:02:53] *** RandomInsano has joined #haiku[00:02:55] *** paul0 has joined #haiku[00:03:00] *** RandomInsano has quit IRC[00:03:02] <V_Machine> If this is like a flash card from a camera or something then it may have partitions on it. If it is like a mp3 player be careful the firmware might be on the flash :)[00:03:15] *** yoritomo has joined #haiku[00:03:54] <BePhantom> it's a microsd, but it doesnt seem to work for him so i'll just tell him to wait for livecd or test under virtualbox :D[00:05:12] <V_Machine> yeah the sd cards often have partitions on them you can wipe them out. cameras and cell phones often put those on there.[00:06:35] <BePhantom> /dev/sde will erase al partitions right?[00:06:40] <BePhantom> all*[00:07:11] <V_Machine> yes if you write to /dev/sde it will wipe out everything and just use the whole disk[00:08:07] <luroh> Anarchos: is that when building haiku, or building freetype2 separately?[00:08:29] <Anarchos> luroh it is due to freetype2.3.9[00:08:45] <BePhantom> V_Machine, just a moment, he is trying now[00:08:51] <Anarchos> luroh (part of TexLive)[00:09:11] *** awpeter has joined #haiku[00:09:22] <luroh> ah i see, no idea then, sorry[00:09:24] *** ulterior_modem has quit IRC[00:09:36] <Anarchos> luroh no pbm :)[00:09:40] <V_Machine> brb[00:11:02] <V_Machine> bk[00:12:02] *** yoritomo is now known as Buddy_Hansen[00:13:00] <V_Machine> BePhantom: Just for a note df just gives you information on mounted file systems. You should not have usb stick mounted at all. If it is and you write to sda then unmount small change linux will corrupt your image when it syncs up its files system on that partition.[00:13:14] <V_Machine> sde sorry[00:14:23] <V_Machine> If this is ubuntu slap it, it will auto mount these sticks so you would have to manually unmount it.[00:15:13] <V_Machine> s/change/chance/[00:16:46] <CIA-9> bonefish * r30832 /haiku/trunk/build/jam/ (MiscRules ReleaseBuildProfiles):[00:16:46] <CIA-9> Patch by Matt Madia: Added "cd-image" build profile type and "alpha-cd" build[00:16:46] <CIA-9> profile. Small changes by myself.[00:17:06] <BePhantom> V_Machine, yup[00:18:00] <V_Machine> :)[00:18:11] <BePhantom> V_Machine, thanks for your time to explain me these things, im learning a lot :)[00:18:32] <V_Machine> I know a shit load about linux so.... feel free[00:18:58] *** redblue has joined #haiku[00:19:03] <V_Machine> still trying to absorb Haiku though, lots to read :)[00:19:16] <BePhantom> thanks i will ask you if something comes up ;)[00:19:16] <CIA-9> brecht * r304 /portlogplugin/trunk/portlog/ (9 files in 6 dirs): Added ability to show revisions of a port version on the port's metadata table.[00:20:12] *** gr00ber has quit IRC[00:20:33] <V_Machine> still got to read the jam manual That thing is close to automake but still mystifies me :)[00:20:44] <BePhantom> haiku is very fun to use :)[00:21:09] <V_Machine> Much more strait forward[00:21:24] <V_Machine> The learning curve is not as steep as linux[00:21:48] <BePhantom> V_Machine, yeah and there's still a lot of room for improvement[00:22:01] <BePhantom> it could be easier to learn :)[00:22:33] <V_Machine> Oh one can clearly see that it isn't finish but it is such a clean design I am going to stick with it.[00:22:47] *** Buddy_Hansen has left #haiku[00:22:55] *** fcr has joined #haiku[00:24:49] <BePhantom> this guy got this message failed to load os. press any key to reboot[00:25:01] <V_Machine> I figure the only way I am going to deal with this laptop, since it can't boot from usb. is to split the drive and put a small "rescue" haiku partition on it.[00:25:32] <V_Machine> from the computer trying to boot from the usb correct?[00:26:23] <BePhantom> yes V_Machine[00:27:33] <rennj> maybe try out http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html[00:27:46] <rennj> use plop to boot from usb since bios doesnt support it[00:28:17] <rennj> course that just adds more work for you, but its possible to do[00:28:21] <V_Machine> yes that is the only thing I can think of beside the image not being on the stick[00:28:24] <V_Machine> yes[00:28:53] <V_Machine> in fact this is the same issue I am working on now. My bios can not load from usb[00:30:00] <BePhantom> is it easy to install?[00:30:08] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[00:30:11] <V_Machine> wow rennj USB boot without BIOS support (UHCI, OHCI and EHCI) thanks[00:30:36] * V_Machine gears up to install PLoP Boot Manager v5.0[00:32:24] <BePhantom> V_Machine, how do i copy a file to boot folder?[00:32:44] <BePhantom> cp?[00:32:59] <V_Machine> yes but what are you trying to do?[00:33:14] <BePhantom> copy plbt.bin to boot folder[00:33:21] <BePhantom> so i add it to grub[00:33:32] <BePhantom> i'll try here first before telling him to do it[00:33:51] <V_Machine> oh you read to docs already?[00:34:01] <V_Machine> fast :)[00:34:06] <BePhantom> http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html#rungrub[00:37:06] * V_Machine scratches head. how is that going to help with a flash drive? hold on let me read the README[00:39:54] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[00:44:54] <BePhantom> brb[00:45:39] <V_Machine> testing it in my emulators. be a bit[00:46:25] *** BePhantom has quit IRC[00:48:06] <V_Machine> wow ok the floopy image works[00:50:20] *** dwarfyperson has quit IRC[00:51:20] *** Megaf has joined #Haiku[00:51:20] *** oxocoffee has joined #haiku[00:53:40] *** BePhantom has joined #haiku[00:55:06] *** Darknesss has quit IRC[00:57:47] *** awpeter has quit IRC[00:58:29] *** dwarfyperson has joined #haiku[01:03:22] <BePhantom> V_Machine, check it: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1117724/23052009009.mp4[01:03:53] <BePhantom> i did it a minute ago, me booting haiku on my laptop[01:03:53] <BePhantom> from usb, very slow tho[01:06:07] <V_Machine> looks like a good speed for a flash drive :)[01:06:12] * JonathanThompson poits BePhantom[01:06:45] <BePhantom> V_Machine, not really but it's a generic usb stick[01:06:49] <BePhantom> :D[01:07:02] <V_Machine> I never expect much from them[01:07:06] *** Barrett` has quit IRC[01:07:34] <V_Machine> hehehe but my emulator booted faster then that :)[01:08:25] * BePhantom narfs JonathanThompson[01:08:37] * JonathanThompson sends back an ACK[01:08:48] <BePhantom> i did a second video V_Machine, just uploading it[01:08:52] <V_Machine> Yeah I just booted from my SD it was a bit faster then your vid[01:09:23] <fcr> BePhantom: in my laptop it boot in 3 seconds or so[01:09:28] <fcr> boots*[01:09:45] <V_Machine> from a SD card ?[01:09:49] <BePhantom> fcr, i told you i wont believe it until i see it[01:09:55] <fcr> from the internal ssd disk[01:09:56] <BePhantom> :D[01:10:08] <V_Machine> ah see that is cheating[01:10:17] <fcr> :P[01:10:42] <CIA-9> brecht * r305 /portlogplugin/trunk/portlog/ (wiki.py common.py):[01:10:42] <CIA-9> Fix for preview of a port's page.[01:10:42] <CIA-9> Added handy link to the main PortLog page on all pages within the port log hierarchy.[01:10:59] <V_Machine> I am testing this boot manger on my emulated usb sd and it is failing[01:11:23] <V_Machine> but that doesn't mead it work work on the real deal[01:11:23] <BePhantom> 10 min until my second video finishes uploading[01:13:01] * JonathanThompson idly wonders if he should close some of the 78 Safari windows he currently has open[01:13:55] * BePhantom narfs JonathanThompson for using safari[01:14:12] <V_Machine> hehehe[01:14:17] <V_Machine> snarf snarf[01:14:29] * JonathanThompson repoits BePhantom for good measure[01:15:22] <BePhantom> this video is taking a lot of time to upload[01:15:27] <BePhantom> i have such a crappy connection[01:16:30] <V_Machine> only a few megs right?[01:16:59] <V_Machine> wow! it works but dam USB1.0 sd boot is dam slow LOL[01:17:14] <V_Machine> erm think it is USB1.1[01:17:17] <BePhantom> 12MB[01:17:24] <V_Machine> oh that will take a bit[01:18:02] <V_Machine> erm think it works[01:18:06] <V_Machine> looks locked up[01:18:15] <V_Machine> oh there it goes[01:19:23] <BePhantom> 8 minutes to finish[01:19:42] <V_Machine> 3minutes to boot f&*ck me lol but it works[01:20:02] <V_Machine> faster then ubuntu LOL[01:22:29] <BePhantom> V_Machine, http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1117724/23052009010.mp4[01:22:32] <BePhantom> watch it[01:22:43] <V_Machine> yes master[01:22:48] <BePhantom> :D[01:24:36] *** Megaf has quit IRC[01:24:47] <V_Machine> so what kind of hardware is that on?[01:25:51] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[01:25:51] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[01:26:14] <BePhantom> intel dual core 1,6ghz, 2gb ram DDR2, 120 gb hard disk, intel 945 video[01:26:49] <BePhantom> V_Machine, i had to plug in my usb mouse, haiku wont work with my touchpad[01:27:11] *** Megaf has joined #Haiku[01:27:44] <V_Machine> oh I got faster hardware and the x-server direct render is just matching yours on Haiku[01:27:59] <V_Machine> brb I am going to boot haiku on this machine[01:28:03] *** V_Machine has left #haiku[01:33:58] *** Megaf_ has joined #Haiku[01:41:33] *** fleximus has quit IRC[01:45:57] *** Verdant_Machine has joined #haiku[01:45:58] *** BePhantom has quit IRC[01:46:08] *** Verdant_Machine is now known as V_machine[01:47:56] *** BePhantom has joined #haiku[01:48:10] <V_machine> my SD reader blows fart chunks[01:48:25] <BePhantom> V_machine, did it work?[01:48:48] <V_machine> no the stupid reader sits on the wrong card slot[01:48:56] <V_machine> might not be my laptop :)[01:49:07] <V_machine> preparing a mp3 player for a test run[01:49:19] *** Megaf has quit IRC[01:49:49] <BePhantom> ha[01:50:22] <V_machine> it has 1G so it should work fine :)[01:50:22] <BePhantom> then where did you write the image?[01:50:24] <BePhantom> :P[01:50:57] <V_machine> Oh some mp3 players just show up as sd[01:51:24] <BePhantom> you just busted an mp3 player? :P[01:51:28] <BePhantom> a*[01:51:38] <V_machine> no... course not[01:51:58] <V_machine> just plug it in and it shows up like a normal usb drive[01:52:12] <V_machine> I just back up the image first to be safe :)[01:52:27] <BePhantom> nice :)[01:53:22] <BePhantom> i have a faster usb stick (16GB) but i have a lot of files there, i'll just test with the slower one (1GB)[01:53:23] <CIA-9> bonefish * r30833 /haiku/trunk/src/bin/copyattr.cpp:[01:53:23] <CIA-9> * Copy the attributes before setting the destination's permissions. At least[01:53:23] <CIA-9> under Linux this caused trouble for files without write permission.[01:53:23] <CIA-9> * Fixed gcc4 warning.[01:56:17] <V_machine> I use to run around with puppy linux on my mp3 player and hi-hack peoples machines in a pinch[01:57:47] <V_machine> http://images.secure2u.com/191/Proc/Full/2108033.jpg is the one I am testing now[01:58:07] <V_machine> I broke my old one. not sure what this one will don when I wipe out the flash[02:00:27] <V_machine> Well I didn't break it. Some crazy foreign lady did when she ran my ass over with her car.[02:04:25] <V_machine> qemu-system-x86_64 -m 1024 -hda lunar-i686.image -hdb svn.image -hdc /dev/sdc[02:04:25] <V_machine> Segmentation fault[02:04:33] <V_machine> gah end of the world[02:06:51] <V_machine> it wont let me write over the firmware oh well lets see if I can get away with just using sdc1[02:15:16] <V_machine> I miss my old mp3 player[02:15:32] <V_machine> :( brb going to try something else[02:15:34] *** V_machine has left #haiku[02:19:10] <BePhantom> mmadia, gr00ber left :)[02:21:53] *** acidx has joined #haiku[02:27:04] *** surround1r has joined #haiku[02:27:37] *** surrounder has quit IRC[02:29:52] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[02:30:14] *** V_Machine has joined #Haiku[02:31:02] *** Al2O3 has joined #haiku[02:31:06] <V_Machine> BePhantom: It is a no go. Confirm with the DV cam sd reader, a boot CD, and temp HD boot. Haiku can't boot my machine[02:31:36] <V_Machine> I will figure out why later. To bad I wanted to see what it could do :)[02:31:40] <mmadia> does anyone here build haiku-cd's from within haiku?[02:31:58] <V_Machine> erm I am about to try[02:32:26] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[02:33:13] *** halfhelf has joined #haiku[02:33:19] <halfhelf> hi[02:34:30] <pyCube_> hi[02:36:06] <BePhantom> JonathanThompson, haha http://echelog.matzon.dk/stats/haiku.html[02:37:15] <BePhantom> you're #1[02:37:38] *** fcr has quit IRC[02:40:04] <BePhantom> "DaaT is a very aggressive person. He/She attacked others 174 times." haha[02:42:14] *** ThomasShirley has joined #haiku[02:42:25] <V_Machine> hmmm can you get stats like that from the svn server ?[02:45:57] <miqlas> I have an idea... An desktop blogging tool for Haiku. But not only an window with an big textbox, but an "virtual file system", that can "mount" your blog, like an drive. It have more directory, the categories. It always synced with the blog. You can put an text file here, and it will uploaded and published on the blog. You can see the older post like text files, and You can edit this. What You think? (I got the idea from here : http://nixbit.com[02:46:12] *** ThomasShirley has quit IRC[02:46:36] <mmadia> miqlas : have you seen the Services Kit idea?[02:46:56] <miqlas> Yes. But i don't see blog support in the list, only twitter, etc...[02:47:06] <CIA-9> brecht * r306 /portlogplugin/trunk/portlog/ (4 files in 2 dirs):[02:47:06] <CIA-9> Fixes #72.[02:47:06] <CIA-9> Automatic redirection to newly created version/revision.[02:47:06] <CIA-9> Minor fixes to some bugs introduced in the last couple of revisions.[02:47:39] <miqlas> I think if there is googlefs, the blogfs not impossible[02:48:07] *** Megaf_ has quit IRC[02:48:19] * halfhelf is going to do the touchscreen mod to his mini9[02:51:31] *** xRaich[o]2x has quit IRC[02:55:12] <CIA-9> brecht * r307 /portlogplugin/trunk/portlog/templates/category_view.html: Forgot one fix.[02:56:41] *** umccullough_aa1 has joined #haiku[02:57:11] <brechtm> goodnight[02:57:13] *** brechtm has quit IRC[03:01:56] *** miqlas has quit IRC[03:02:52] *** umccullough_aa1 has quit IRC[03:07:39] *** umccullough_aa1 has joined #haiku[03:08:02] <umccullough_aa1> eeebuntu on an AA1 is pretty good :)[03:08:15] *** oxocoffee has quit IRC[03:08:22] <halfhelf> running straight 9.04 on here[03:08:40] <V_Machine> eee??[03:08:42] <umccullough_aa1> eee is tuned for netbooks[03:08:48] <V_Machine> oh[03:08:54] <umccullough_aa1> as in the EeePC[03:09:04] <umccullough_aa1> but runs equally well on other netbooks[03:09:45] <umccullough_aa1> i'm slightly disappointed in the atom N270 though[03:09:46] <halfhelf> i should install it on an sd card and see how well it runs[03:09:53] <halfhelf> been mostly happy with ubuntu on here[03:10:00] <umccullough_aa1> what you running it on?[03:10:01] <halfhelf> why?[03:10:07] <halfhelf> mini9 with 2gb ram[03:10:18] <umccullough_aa1> i can't run 480p video from hulu.com :([03:10:25] <halfhelf> im happy with the n270, wasnt expecting it to fly[03:10:41] <halfhelf> the n270 is only on par with like a 933 coppermine iirc[03:10:42] <umccullough_aa1> its too choppy[03:10:55] <halfhelf> thats mostly glashes fault :P[03:11:00] <halfhelf> flash[03:11:28] <umccullough_aa1> yeah, probably[03:11:29] <V_Machine> might get better luck with gnash but it is still very alpha[03:11:29] <halfhelf> if this thing had a backlit keyboard, it would be nearly perfect[03:11:42] <umccullough_aa1> no, i was using flash 9.x on windows[03:11:45] <umccullough_aa1> via Chrome[03:11:48] <V_Machine> ah[03:11:51] <halfhelf> xp?[03:12:00] <umccullough_aa1> yeah, it came with xp preinsalled[03:12:15] <umccullough_aa1> so, i "shrunk" the xp partition down to 60gb and put linux/haiku on the rest :D[03:12:19] <umccullough_aa1> 160gb hd[03:12:41] <umccullough_aa1> how much was the mini 9?[03:12:46] <V_Machine> hehehe beat it into a corner[03:13:48] <halfhelf> like $400[03:13:58] <umccullough_aa1> i went ahead and bought the "seashell white" model... the guy at the store wanted to know why i wanted white...i wanted to hit him[03:14:00] <halfhelf> but i got it with every option except 1gb ram[03:14:13] <umccullough_aa1> yeah, i only got 1gb ram :/[03:14:22] <halfhelf> mines black with 2gb ram, 16gb ssd, 5 in 1 card reader, 1.3mp cam, bt, wifi[03:14:33] <umccullough_aa1> mine has two card readers[03:14:36] <umccullough_aa1> one is sd only[03:14:42] <umccullough_aa1> the other looks like it supports multiple formats[03:14:46] <halfhelf> having two would be nice[03:14:50] <umccullough_aa1> it was[03:14:59] <luroh> anyone tried moblin 2 on their netbook yet?[03:15:00] <umccullough_aa1> i transferred files from one to the other last night![03:15:10] <umccullough_aa1> i did yes[03:15:18] <umccullough_aa1> the "test drive" was pretty limited afaict[03:15:22] <halfhelf> im going to get a larger ssd at some point[03:15:24] <umccullough_aa1> didn't seem to have any installer[03:15:34] <halfhelf> and im going to add a touchscreen to my mini 9[03:15:35] <umccullough_aa1> luroh, i ran it from a usb stick and it booted VERY quickly[03:15:47] <luroh> yeah, the word on the street is it's snappy[03:15:57] <halfhelf> i havent tried it[03:16:00] <luroh> snappy but inflexible[03:16:05] <halfhelf> the interface wasnt that appealing[03:16:07] <umccullough_aa1> that's the feeling i got[03:16:15] <umccullough_aa1> yeah, the interface felt pretty dumb, tbh[03:16:26] <umccullough_aa1> more of a phone interface than anything[03:16:27] <halfhelf> and i dont see why they keep making these crappy interfaces for netbooks[03:16:34] <halfhelf> they are plenty capable for full desktops[03:16:55] <halfhelf> im running full ubuntu 9.04 with gnome and barely feel cramped[03:16:56] <umccullough_aa1> it's mostly designed for mids, etc.[03:17:58] <halfhelf> i may stick in a largish usb key inside the unit, too[03:18:01] *** BePhantom_ has joined #haiku[03:18:01] <umccullough_aa1> intel has done some good stuff with the drivers, etc. though[03:18:03] <halfhelf> like a 16gb one[03:18:33] <halfhelf> i need to get a small usb dvd burner and ill be set :P[03:18:38] <umccullough_aa1> heh[03:18:51] <umccullough_aa1> i already have a largish usb dvd-rw[03:19:01] <umccullough_aa1> smaller would be nice, but i'll survicve[03:19:05] <umccullough_aa1> survive even :)[03:19:14] <halfhelf> im getting the 77wh battery next payday[03:19:30] <umccullough_aa1> yeah, this one came with a 3cell battery :/[03:19:39] <halfhelf> ~10-12hours per charge will be sweet[03:19:42] <umccullough_aa1> there's a 6cell option that gives up to 5+ hours of runtime[03:19:44] <halfhelf> already get about 4.5[03:19:49] <umccullough_aa1> nice[03:20:21] <halfhelf> osx was barely giving me 3 hours when i had it on here[03:20:30] <halfhelf> couldnt believe ubuntu netted me an extra 1.5 hours[03:20:41] <umccullough_aa1> mm.. good point[03:20:51] <umccullough_aa1> i'm guessing the estimates i read were based on windows xp[03:21:04] <halfhelf> yeah[03:21:30] <umccullough_aa1> i haven't tested this one yet, but since i'm currently compiling haiku, it would probably be pathetic ;)[03:21:35] <halfhelf> heh[03:21:53] <halfhelf> i might sell my gx1 to fun getting a usb dvd burner and the bigbattery for this thing[03:22:09] <halfhelf> i could probably get an OK amount for the gx1 on craigslist[03:22:20] <umccullough_aa1> yeah... $0K[03:22:35] <halfhelf> at least a hundred[03:22:51] <halfhelf> its really a good tower :P[03:25:59] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[03:26:47] <BePhantom_> you could get a twizzler for that box[03:29:14] <halfhelf> heh[03:30:18] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[03:30:52] *** BePhantom has quit IRC[03:34:17] <BePhantom_> halfhelf, you should try ebay[03:34:42] <halfhelf> i might, if i decide to let go of it for real[03:34:54] <halfhelf> im kinda attached to it since i spent so much time and effort upgrading it[03:35:21] <BePhantom_> sure, i understand[03:36:43] <halfhelf> but if i do sell it, i can pretty much guarantee you id get more for it via criagslist and selling it locally[03:37:08] <V_Machine> hehehe I still miss my Commodore 64[03:37:16] * Hodapp stabs a scientologist[03:37:17] <Hodapp> whoops[03:37:36] <halfhelf> this mini 9 is working out well enough that i really no longer need a desktop :)[03:38:12] <BePhantom_> halfhelf, are those mini 9 cheap?[03:38:21] <halfhelf> get a bigger ssd for it and get a large SD card and ill be ok for storage too[03:38:42] <halfhelf> mine was around $400 + whatever the extra ram from newegg cost me at the time[03:38:53] <halfhelf> you can get a super barebones mini9 for like $250 now[03:39:04] <BePhantom_> im looking at one in dell homepage, those look really nice[03:39:10] <BePhantom_> what's the size of the screen?[03:39:13] <halfhelf> i had the extra cash for a change, so i decided to get all the options[03:39:16] <halfhelf> 8.9 inches[03:39:30] <umccullough_aa1> my AA1 was $257 before tax[03:39:45] <halfhelf> yeah, they have dropped in price a lot since i bought mine[03:39:48] <umccullough_aa1> also 8.9"[03:40:02] <halfhelf> my boss bought an MPC for 260 shipped[03:40:17] <halfhelf> 1gb ram, 30gb hdd, web cam, wifi, sd card reader,8.9" screen[03:40:29] <umccullough_aa1> 30gb? :P[03:40:31] <halfhelf> yeah[03:40:38] <umccullough_aa1> this one is 160[03:40:49] <halfhelf> thats the max MS allows in netbooks with windows xp[03:40:53] *** acidx has quit IRC[03:40:54] <umccullough_aa1> um[03:40:56] <umccullough_aa1> no...[03:41:13] <halfhelf> it was unless they changed it[03:41:16] <umccullough_aa1> mine came with a 160gb disk and windows xp preinstalled[03:41:24] <halfhelf> there was a specification limit they imposed on OEMs that wanted to preload xp[03:41:31] <halfhelf> thats what i was taking about[03:41:32] <halfhelf> not the 30gb[03:41:40] <halfhelf> *talking[03:41:48] <umccullough_aa1> you mean...the 2gb ram limit?[03:41:51] <V_Machine> they do look nice[03:41:51] <halfhelf> no[03:41:57] <halfhelf> they had a 2gb ram limit AND 160gb hdd limit[03:42:08] <V_Machine> fuck I got $250 in my pocket now[03:42:19] <umccullough_aa1> V_Machine, where do you live?[03:42:25] <V_Machine> CA[03:42:27] <halfhelf> V_Machine, the build quality on the mini 9 is actually pretty good[03:42:30] <umccullough_aa1> i picked mine up at Frys[03:42:42] <umccullough_aa1> but i had to pay $8 CA disposal fee[03:42:44] <umccullough_aa1> and then tax[03:42:45] <umccullough_aa1> :([03:42:50] <V_Machine> dam them![03:42:52] <V_Machine> lol[03:43:00] <umccullough_aa1> yeah, the disposal fee always pisses me off[03:43:23] <V_Machine> I should get paid a disposal fee. I collect them[03:43:29] <umccullough_aa1> lol, ditto![03:43:34] <V_Machine> I demand my $8!!![03:43:58] <umccullough_aa1> people who recycle computers instead of throwing them away should get kickbacks ;)[03:45:36] <Hodapp> actually, if you're a business and you donate old hardware to nonprofits, you can often get tax write-offs for it[03:46:22] <BePhantom_> halfhelf, 8.9 inches is that a comfortable screen size?[03:46:26] <halfhelf> yes[03:46:28] <halfhelf> for me[03:46:34] <halfhelf> 1024x600 screen resoolution[03:46:36] <halfhelf> resolution[03:47:03] <halfhelf> it would be nice if it was a higher resolution, but i can live with it[03:47:17] <halfhelf> been making use of multiple desktops more than i used to :)[03:47:57] <umccullough_aa1> ditto, it's not bad[03:48:01] <umccullough_aa1> higher res would be great[03:48:10] <halfhelf> if it was a matte display, id be really happy[03:48:12] <umccullough_aa1> in fact, i probably would have sprung for the 10" if it had higher res[03:48:14] <halfhelf> i hate gloss, but oh well[03:48:20] <halfhelf> yeah, i would have too[03:48:26] <umccullough_aa1> i hear they're starting to do 1366x768 now for 10" as an option[03:48:43] <umccullough_aa1> for true 720p[03:48:43] <halfhelf> i may try out one of those 3M privacy filters, supposed to kill most of the glossyness[03:48:56] <halfhelf> umccullough, that would be nice[03:49:10] <halfhelf> i might upgrade again next year for one with a quadcore atom and a higher resolution display[03:49:16] <umccullough_aa1> heh[03:49:53] <umccullough_aa1> considering my travel laptop was 1024x768 and a huge brick compared to this, i think i'm in good shape[03:49:54] <halfhelf> using my mini 9 in my office is a PITA with the fluorescent lights everywhere above me[03:49:59] <halfhelf> heh, yeah[03:50:16] <umccullough_aa1> it was a celeron 2ghz too[03:50:17] <halfhelf> the laptop i used up till this one was 800x600x8bpp, so im happy ;)[03:50:20] <umccullough_aa1> so i think this is faster[03:50:25] <umccullough_aa1> ew[03:50:27] <halfhelf> mine was a 75mhz p1...[03:50:30] *** addos has joined #haiku[03:50:31] <umccullough_aa1> sad[03:50:37] <halfhelf> it worked for what i used it for[03:50:41] <umccullough_aa1> barely?[03:50:42] <addos> hi, has anyone seen any panics while unmounting and ejecting optical media?[03:50:42] <umccullough_aa1> :)[03:50:49] <halfhelf> no, worked fine, still does[03:50:55] <umccullough_aa1> addos, what's the panic?[03:51:01] <addos> let me take a look real quick[03:51:07] <umccullough_aa1> addos, you can probably just 'continue' from it[03:51:13] <addos> how do I do that?[03:51:18] <halfhelf> umccullough, IM, IRC, SSH, light web and document editing.. handled it fine with my wifi card[03:51:19] <umccullough_aa1> type "continue"[03:51:19] <halfhelf> :P[03:51:21] <V_Machine> put Zoloft in the cd tray[03:51:30] <umccullough_aa1> addos, if you're on a usb keyboard, you might be screwed[03:51:40] <addos> I am on a laptop[03:51:43] <addos> let me try the media again[03:51:48] *** Barrett` has joined #haiku[03:52:11] <umccullough_aa1> addos, you might have type continue a few times[03:52:14] <addos> vm_page_fault[03:52:25] <umccullough_aa1> oh, that's bad[03:52:33] <addos> in kernel space at 0xdeadbf1f, ip 0x80074812[03:52:39] <halfhelf> umccullough, i even played mp3s while i did work on it ^_^[03:52:42] <umccullough_aa1> i was thinking it was more like a panic trying to read the media[03:52:57] <umccullough_aa1> addos, probably should search for it, it might already be reported[03:53:05] <umccullough_aa1> sounds familiar anyway[03:53:24] <addos> hmm[03:55:48] <halfhelf> umccullough, whats the resolution of your cam on your AA1?[03:55:53] <umccullough_aa1> addos, the stack trace from the KDL should tell youwhere it failed[03:56:01] <umccullough_aa1> halfhelf, not sure[03:56:05] <umccullough_aa1> i'd have to look it up[03:56:22] <halfhelf> ok[03:57:11] <umccullough_aa1> oh, i had forgotten it came with a small external mouse too :)[03:57:14] <umccullough_aa1> was still in the box :D[03:57:52] <addos> how do I get a stack trace?[03:58:40] <umccullough_aa1> type bt or sc[03:59:30] <addos> it dumped a lot of stuff[03:59:46] <addos> the failure was in the media checker thread[04:00:28] <umccullough_aa1> you'll want to supply a picture of the back trace with a bug report :)[04:00:51] <addos> can I write that info to a file or something?[04:01:46] <umccullough_aa1> only if you grab a serial log[04:01:56] <umccullough_aa1> once the KDL occurs, the entire kernel is halted[04:02:18] <umccullough_aa1> no disk access is available[04:04:28] *** andreas_dr has joined #haiku[04:04:58] <umccullough_aa1> ok, what was that BS about new versions of ubuntu reverting permission changes made to /dev ?[04:05:31] <halfhelf> i dont know anything about that[04:05:56] <V_Machine> sounds like a issue with udev[04:06:00] *** Al2O3 has quit IRC[04:07:11] <umccullough_aa1> yeah, how do i undo that crap?[04:07:48] * umccullough_aa1 grumbles about screwing with something that already worked[04:11:20] *** aljen has joined #haiku[04:11:27] *** andreas_dr has quit IRC[04:11:58] <V_Machine> well unfortunately it isn't directly the fault of udev[04:12:22] *** hdanak has joined #haiku[04:12:32] <V_Machine> You will have to grudge through the udev manual and figure out how ubuntu screwed up the udev rules[04:13:24] <V_Machine> also I believe there is a directory in the guts of udev where you can put static nodes[04:13:59] <V_Machine> but it has been a long time since I delt with udev. I don't find it fun.[04:15:17] *** thotypous has quit IRC[04:15:53] *** umccullough_aa1 has quit IRC[04:16:50] *** umccullough_aa1 has joined #haiku[04:17:45] <umccullough_aa1> sigh[04:18:01] * umccullough_aa1 goes to add himself to the "disk" group instead[04:18:11] <V_Machine> LOL[04:20:36] <umccullough_aa1> ok...that didn't help[04:20:54] <V_Machine> what dev is it?[04:21:44] <V_Machine> IIRC if it is like a xterm you need to log out of X and relog back in for group adds to effect them[04:21:45] <umccullough_aa1> it's /dev/sda3[04:21:52] <umccullough_aa1> oh[04:22:06] <umccullough_aa1> ok, well i should reboot anyway, i installed updates earlier and haven't rebooted yet :/[04:22:09] <umccullough_aa1> bbiab[04:22:14] <V_Machine> k[04:22:17] *** umccullough_aa1 has quit IRC[04:22:25] <V_Machine> I hate ubuntu :)[04:23:08] <halfhelf> i used to[04:23:12] <halfhelf> working fine for me now[04:23:21] <halfhelf> other than audio being a bitch to get working on my gx1[04:24:53] *** fcr has joined #haiku[04:25:00] *** umccullough_aa1 has joined #haiku[04:25:27] <V_Machine> wb[04:25:47] <umccullough_aa1> thx[04:25:59] <V_Machine> did your disk group show now?[04:26:05] <V_Machine> does[04:26:09] <umccullough_aa1> well, i showed up in it before[04:26:14] <V_Machine> dam grammar invention of the devil[04:26:15] <umccullough_aa1> but i'm trying to build again...[04:26:34] <umccullough_aa1> looks better so far[04:26:44] <umccullough_aa1> no need to chmod the dev now :/[04:27:11] <V_Machine> yeah udev will reset that[04:27:16] <umccullough_aa1> stupid[04:27:17] *** Carbamide has quit IRC[04:27:24] <V_Machine> by design[04:27:29] <umccullough_aa1> adding myself to the disk group seems less secure[04:28:36] <umccullough_aa1> did that change in 9.04?[04:28:49] <umccullough_aa1> cuz i'm pretty sure 8.10 didn't screw with me :)[04:28:54] <V_Machine> is sda3 a internal hard drive?[04:29:02] <V_Machine> partition[04:29:29] <umccullough_aa1> yeah[04:30:25] <V_Machine> yeah it is less secure.[04:30:45] <umccullough_aa1> i suppose worst-case i could sudo jam[04:30:48] <umccullough_aa1> :([04:30:50] <halfhelf> what are you trying to do?[04:30:57] <umccullough_aa1> build haiku to a partition[04:31:00] <halfhelf> oh[04:31:01] <V_Machine> but not much more as chmod[04:31:05] <halfhelf> havent tried that[04:31:22] <V_Machine> its fun :)[04:31:27] <umccullough_aa1> the whole point of chmod'ing first was to ensure i was building to the proper partition ;)[04:32:18] <V_Machine> ls /lib/udev/devices/[04:32:18] <umccullough_aa1> and since sda2 is my ntfs partition...i gotta be careful :D[04:32:27] <umccullough_aa1> hang on[04:32:29] <V_Machine> I think that is where you put your dev nodes you want copied[04:32:45] <V_Machine> I am %80 sure[04:32:52] <umccullough_aa1> explain?[04:33:12] <umccullough_aa1> i make symlinks there?[04:33:42] <V_Machine> when udev loads up /dev is empty and it first loads up the static nodes. then it replays the kerenl to get the devices for dynamic creation[04:34:00] <V_Machine> no real nodes[04:34:06] <V_Machine> It will copy those first[04:34:33] <V_Machine> if the node is already there then the dynamic creation from the rule set won't over write them[04:35:08] <V_Machine> but my memory is fuzzy on the correct directory but I am %80 sure that is it :)[04:35:30] <umccullough_aa1> since i have absolutely no clue how udev works or what it does, i think i better avoid messing with it :)[04:35:49] <V_Machine> well copying your node there wouldn't hurt[04:35:58] <V_Machine> shouldn't[04:35:59] <V_Machine> lol[04:36:24] <V_Machine> I'll test it in my virtual machine brb[04:37:42] <umccullough_aa1> on that note, i'll bbiab too, since haiku is now installed ;)[04:37:47] *** umccullough_aa1 has quit IRC[04:38:15] *** fcr has quit IRC[04:41:27] <hdanak> i was reading about freebsd binary compatibility... is this possible in haiku in the future?[04:42:54] *** umccullough_aa1 has joined #haiku[04:42:56] <hdanak> um, sorry, i meant freebsd linux binary compatibility[04:42:59] <umccullough_aa1> yep, that was pretty much perfect :D[04:43:54] <V_Machine> dam udev......[04:44:00] <V_Machine> now you got me reading the manul[04:44:16] <V_Machine> manual[04:45:12] <halfhelf> gah[04:45:19] <halfhelf> i cant wait till my gums heal up fully[04:45:29] <halfhelf> it feels so bizarre having these holes in my mouth[04:45:34] <umccullough_aa1> :/[04:45:46] <halfhelf> and i cant eat much for fear of giving myself a dry socket[04:46:44] <umccullough_aa1> oh..wisdom teeth?[04:46:48] <mmadia> on the bright side, a perfect reason for pigging out on milk shakes :)[04:46:50] <halfhelf> yeah[04:46:53] <halfhelf> :P[04:46:56] <halfhelf> yep[04:47:11] <umccullough_aa1> mmadia, hows the eyes/lungs? :P[04:47:28] <mmadia> meh.. better than my dogs :|[04:47:32] <halfhelf> it wouldnt be nearly as bad if it werent for the fact i also had a lower molar removed[04:47:33] <umccullough_aa1> :([04:47:36] <halfhelf> so chewinganything is hard[04:48:01] <halfhelf> pretty much been drinks, shakes, lots of oatmeal and malt-o-meal and mashed potatoes :)[04:48:31] <mmadia> thought she was going down for the count tonight... turns out she may have "vestibular" disease -- basically faulty wiring in her brain that can be caused by a few different things[04:48:38] * halfhelf just put his gx1 on craigslist[04:48:47] <halfhelf> sucks[04:48:48] *** addos has quit IRC[04:50:59] <halfhelf> umccullough, what do you think i could realistically expect for a p3 tualatin 1.4, 768mb ram, raid sata pci controller, pci nvidia fx5500 256mb card, two 80gb sata drives in RAID-0, 16gb ssd boot disk, dvd burner, optical mouse, keyboard, 15inch crt ... ?[04:51:05] <halfhelf> onboard sound/nic[04:51:57] <umccullough_aa1> someone might be willing to take that off your hands for free[04:52:06] <halfhelf> you are not helpful[04:52:07] <halfhelf> :P[04:52:12] <umccullough_aa1> you put an SSD in it? :P[04:52:28] <halfhelf> why does everyone act surprised over that? :P[04:52:35] <umccullough_aa1> cuz it seems pointless[04:52:36] <umccullough_aa1> :)[04:52:41] <halfhelf> why?[04:52:46] <umccullough_aa1> i dunno[04:52:56] <halfhelf> ~90mb w/r steady with .5ms seek times[04:53:02] <halfhelf> hella better than hdds[04:53:05] <halfhelf> even for an old system[04:53:16] <umccullough_aa1> probably cuz bang-for-buck on that old machine is low[04:53:33] <halfhelf> mhm[04:54:15] <umccullough_aa1> you might be able to part it out[04:54:19] <umccullough_aa1> on ebay[04:54:29] <halfhelf> yeah, matt mentioned that idea[04:54:58] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[04:55:03] *** fcr has joined #haiku[04:56:12] <mmadia> anyone try building the haiku-cd from within Haiku lately?[04:56:55] <umccullough_aa1> i haven't even built haiku from within haiku lately :/[04:57:27] <umccullough_aa1> hell, i hardly even use haiku lately :/[04:59:20] * halfhelf likes the look of the new vaio p series[04:59:29] <halfhelf> i played with one at Frys a few weeks ago[04:59:36] <halfhelf> kinda wish i had gotten that instead of the mini 9[05:00:04] <mmadia> the PJ's on adult swim gave Futurama a throw back.[05:00:26] <mmadia> Fry is on a carton of milk "Have you seen this missing boy?"[05:00:27] *** Barrett` has quit IRC[05:03:55] * halfhelf wonders why the mini pci-e ssds are all so slow[05:04:08] <halfhelf> normal speeds seem to be 45mb/s read and 15mb/s write[05:07:26] <Hodapp> that's poopy.[05:07:43] <Hodapp> is mini PCI-e any different from PCI-e in a smaller form factor?[05:08:12] <halfhelf> no idea[05:08:16] <halfhelf> but they ALL have that speed[05:08:21] <Hodapp> hmm[05:09:51] <halfhelf> huh, the 64gb ssds are down to $150[05:09:53] <halfhelf> sweet[05:10:02] <Hodapp> I want an OCZ Vertex or an Intel X25-M[05:10:04] * halfhelf just might have to upgrade a little[05:10:09] <halfhelf> yeah, good luck with that[05:10:14] <halfhelf> thatswhat, $5/gb ? :P[05:10:49] <Hodapp> guarantee you its performance will destroy whatever $150 SSD you're looking at[05:11:00] <halfhelf> i know that[05:15:26] * halfhelf just had a raccoon sit 3 feet frm him[05:15:34] <halfhelf> sitting on my deck. it just walked up to me and stared[05:16:06] <V_Machine> hehehe solid state vs regular hard drives is allot like foreign cars vs American muscle. The solid state is light weight, quiet , fast access, and technically complex to get a balance wear from the file system, but nothing like the hum of steal and iron and head trashing to get your blood pumping.[05:17:09] <halfhelf> heh[05:17:19] <mmadia> by blood pumping do you mean capilaries bursting in foreheads when the hard drives destroy themselves? :)[05:17:20] <halfhelf> ssd for boot os and apps, hdd for mass storage[05:17:23] <halfhelf> thats how i treat it[05:17:35] <fcr> nas[05:17:55] <fcr> halfhelf: but there are slow ssd also[05:18:12] <halfhelf> im well aware of that[05:18:15] * halfhelf is on a slow ssd[05:18:27] <fcr> my ssd can only write at 7MB/s[05:18:51] <halfhelf> that is truly sad and pathetic[05:19:03] <halfhelf> you should spend $50 and get a better one :P[05:19:40] <V_Machine> hdparm -t /dev/sdb[05:19:41] <V_Machine> /dev/sdb:[05:19:41] <V_Machine> Timing buffered disk reads: 230 MB in 3.01 seconds = 76.49 MB/sec[05:19:47] <V_Machine> american muscle :)[05:19:52] <V_Machine> lol[05:20:49] * JonathanThompson laughs at halfhelf[05:21:01] <V_Machine> 1.5G is my bus max and it maxes out with cache I can increase it to 3gb if I use that POS promise raid control built into the mb[05:21:02] <fcr> my hard disk: hdparm -t /dev/sda[05:21:02] <fcr> /dev/sda:[05:21:02] <fcr> Timing buffered disk reads: 48 MB in 3.09 seconds = 15.52 MB/sec[05:21:06] <halfhelf> /dev/sda:[05:21:07] <halfhelf> Timing buffered disk reads: 86 MB in 3.03 seconds = 28.38 MB/[05:21:13] <halfhelf> thats what i get n my ssd on this mini9[05:21:16] <JonathanThompson> halfhelf: you should have had a hissing match with it![05:21:26] <V_Machine> That is not bad halfhelf[05:21:38] <halfhelf> not that great, either[05:21:38] <V_Machine> for a ssd[05:21:41] <V_Machine> no[05:21:44] * JonathanThompson has had a hissing match with an unhappy mother raccoon about the same distance away: he won![05:21:44] <V_Machine> but functional[05:21:50] <halfhelf> most ssds now handle 50+mb/s read fine[05:22:08] <halfhelf> my cheap supertalent ssd in my gx1 does 110mb/s read[05:22:28] <JonathanThompson> halfhelf: is 78 Safari windows too many to have open at the same time? :S[05:22:45] <halfhelf> for safari, probably[05:22:47] <halfhelf> :P[05:22:50] <halfhelf> i hated safari[05:23:36] <JonathanThompson> Only using 11 GB of virtual memory, shows 250 MB free RAM ;)[05:23:49] <JonathanThompson> (System total, with 4 GB actual RAM)[05:24:08] * halfhelf is amused that he thinks 28mb/s is slow on his current pc when his NeXT only does 2.3mb/s[05:24:35] <V_Machine> hehehe shows you how slow software can be[05:24:38] * JonathanThompson is amused at halfhelf being such a neoretrotech guy[05:25:02] <V_Machine> lol neroretrotech[05:25:16] <halfhelf> id be happy if my NeXT could saturate its SCSI-1 bus and get the full 4.5mb/s :P[05:26:47] <fcr> my floppy can transfer up to 25KB/s[05:26:54] <JonathanThompson> halfhelf: I got in a few hours of work today doing WaMu->Chase conversions, and I'll tell you, that was the weirdest way for me to make $15/hour I've had for the amount of "What do you want me to do, more waiting?" I'd ever done.[05:27:24] <JonathanThompson> They overprovisioned the number of workers, etc. so much that it slowed things down, I'm convinced of it![05:27:51] <halfhelf> heh[05:28:41] * JonathanThompson is glad they had nowhere near the number of people they mentioned under a lead tech during the training session[05:29:00] <JonathanThompson> The biggest trick would be trying to find something for even half of them to do.[05:29:26] <JonathanThompson> Seriously, I had the questions going through my mind, "How many technicians does it take to..."[05:29:45] * JonathanThompson lives in a weird situation right now[05:30:19] <umccullough_aa1> is that the situation where both halves of your brain hate each other?[05:30:29] <JonathanThompson> Sometimes![05:30:43] * JonathanThompson notes only half of him is in his right mind[05:30:48] <JonathanThompson> The rest is left behind.[05:31:55] <umccullough_aa1> halfhelf, does your mini9's webcam have an LED indicator when its on?[05:32:12] * umccullough_aa1 thinks all webcams should have that[05:32:37] * JonathanThompson goes off to play games[05:33:19] <halfhelf> umccullough, yes[05:33:27] <umccullough_aa1> damn, mine doesn't :([05:33:29] <halfhelf> turns white when it comes on[05:36:06] *** AlexForster has quit IRC[05:38:33] <halfhelf> umccullough, that sucks[05:39:01] <halfhelf> what netbook do you have, again?[05:39:58] <BePhantom_> JonathanThompson, doom?[05:40:01] <BePhantom_> :)[05:43:22] <BePhantom_> umccullough_aa1, you have a mini 9 too?[05:43:34] <umccullough_aa1> acer aspire one[05:43:52] <BePhantom_> fcr has one too[05:44:24] <BePhantom_> umccullough_aa1, did you buy it recently?[05:44:31] <umccullough_aa1> yesterday :)[05:44:40] <halfhelf> oh ok[05:44:41] <BePhantom_> :D[05:44:45] <BePhantom_> awesome, new toy to play with ;)[05:44:46] <halfhelf> my dad has an aspire one, he loves it[05:44:46] <umccullough_aa1> it will replace my old crusty Dell Inspiron 1100[05:45:32] <halfhelf> i hate how people keep pushing netbooks as good "first computers" for people[05:45:33] <umccullough_aa1> yes, "new toy" although for me, it's more than that[05:45:38] <halfhelf> they make HORRIBLE first computers :P[05:46:31] <BePhantom_> umccullough_aa1, i tried haiku on my hp laptop and recorded a video[05:46:32] <umccullough_aa1> i think that's usually the price-point talking[05:46:34] <BePhantom_> do you want to see it?[05:46:41] <umccullough_aa1> nah[05:46:42] <umccullough_aa1> :)[05:46:54] <BePhantom_> ok :)[05:47:02] <umccullough_aa1> btw, haiku runs beautifully on this machine[05:47:13] <umccullough_aa1> minus wifi :([05:47:34] <BePhantom_> umccullough_aa1, how much time does it take to book haiku?[05:47:49] <umccullough_aa1> i dunno, didn't time it[05:47:55] <umccullough_aa1> 15-20 seconds i guess[05:48:06] <BePhantom_> ok :)[05:48:08] <halfhelf> the BIOS on the mini 9 takes its time[05:48:18] <umccullough_aa1> yeah, that doesn't count :P[05:48:24] <umccullough_aa1> i always time from grub menu[05:48:33] <BePhantom_> yup[05:48:46] * halfhelf is almost out of spare hardware to sell.. lol[05:48:46] <umccullough_aa1> reminds me, i need to edit my grub menu.lst[05:48:56] <halfhelf> anyone want any 16 port ethernet switches?[05:49:08] <umccullough_aa1> gigabit? :)[05:49:13] <halfhelf> 100mbit :([05:49:20] <umccullough_aa1> got a few, no thanks[05:49:30] <umccullough_aa1> i'm gonna probably pick up a gigabit switch here soon[05:49:34] <halfhelf> how about a jetdirect print server for usb hp printers?[05:49:41] <umccullough_aa1> nah[05:49:55] <umccullough_aa1> my hp lj already has a jetdirect card and it works great :)[05:50:18] <halfhelf> guess ill be putting a lot more crap on craigslist this weekend :P[05:50:22] <halfhelf> well, tomorrow and monday[05:50:27] <umccullough_aa1> good, make some money ;)[05:51:12] <halfhelf> i need about $500 to get everything i want currently :P[05:53:07] <umccullough_aa1> still working at the library?[05:54:04] <halfhelf> currently[05:54:42] 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It can[14:19:25] <CIA-9> probably still be improved.[14:19:25] <CIA-9> * Renamed EntryRefPlaylistItem to just FilePlaylistItem.[14:19:25] <CIA-9> * Moved the "move into Trash" and "restore from Trash" implementation into[14:19:27] <CIA-9> FilePlaylistItem. 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